Traditional Latin Mass Ban Is Ending? Leo & Parolin Drop Bombshells

A single rumor from Rome can light the fuse again: is Pope Leo quietly trying to de-escalate the fight over the Traditional Latin Mass and stop turning Catholic liturgy into a battlefield? We start with the latest chatter around easing hostility toward TLM communities after Traditionis Custodes, then zoom out to the deeper question: what does fidelity look like when Church politics, social media, and constant scandals train us to pick teams instead of pursuing holiness?

We also get honest about how online Catholic drama warps the soul. The temptation is to draw hard lines, label people, and turn “calling out” leaders into a sport. We push back on that impulse and talk about why cohesion matters, especially if the cultural weather keeps shifting toward real hostility. The point isn’t to pretend everything is fine. The point is to stay in the Church, stay near the sacraments, and refuse to let rage replace judgment.

From there we dig into Scripture and history, including Genesis 3:15 and the theme of spiritual conflict, plus why the liturgy itself keeps forcing these questions back onto the table especially as we head into Holy Week and the Triduum. We react to a clip about a young adult stumbling into a reverent Mass and realizing, “This is what I’ve been missing,” and we ask what that says about worship, culture, and the future of Catholic life.

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Transcript

Breaking News On Latin Mass Signals

SPEAKER_01 0:11

Breaking news, Cardinal Perilin, one of the architects of Traditionus Custodas, indicates the Vatican Plan's changes and that Pope Leo wants to de-escalate the divisions and avoid turning the liturgy into a battlefield.

SPEAKER_03 0:42

It's over.

SPEAKER_05 1:07

But you can't help but love it.

SPEAKER_04 1:23

One was um Pope Leo told the French bishops. It was so cringe.

SPEAKER_05 1:30

Like that one friend in the friend group that's a retard, but you love them for it.

SPEAKER_04 1:35

It's so dumb. It's like, um, so Pope uh Pope Leo supposedly told the French bishops um to like chill with the hostility towards the the Trads. And uh Jim said, I'm just upset I wasn't at that head of the table. So um, yeah, so I uh all right, I'm gonna say yeah. Leo told the French bishops basically like let's calm down with the hostility towards the Trads and let's try to find a place for those who go to the Latin Mass. Uh, and then we have this article that uh Nikolimba, I think that's how you say his name, uh, that uh he put out in the Catholic Herald that Parallelin is uh saying that Leo wants to stop making the uh the Latin Mass the uh a source of division. Like the you know he doesn't want the liturgy wars anymore. I think enough people have gone to Leo at this point and begged him for mercy that he's just like, all right, what am I gonna do here?

SPEAKER_05 2:41

He's heard about almost nothing else his whole first year of his pontificate.

SPEAKER_04 2:45

Basically, I think everybody's gone in and just been like, please give us the Latin myth. So I've been like teasing the sets all week, saying try to ink one, the wait and see approach one out. It's like it's so dumb, it's so absurd. What's dumb is the responses you've been getting. Oh my goodness, man. Well, honestly, so what I've been doing is I lay out like sede bait, and some some people get the joke, the ones that don't, and they act irrational. I just mute them. I just mute them. So like there's all these, and I now I know I it's like I lure them in, and the ones that act like idiots, I'm just like, all right, mute, mute, mute, mute, mute. We should block them.

SPEAKER_05 3:25

Getting it getting a block from like an account your size will like kill their each.

SPEAKER_04 3:30

I yeah, I guess I don't I don't even care too. It's like the it's just um part of my concern with with some of the Sede stuff is like uh it muted me for defending Rob. Did I?

SPEAKER_03 3:45

It might have.

Cohesion, Persecution, And Staying Catholic

SPEAKER_04 3:47

Maybe nobody I don't like when people take Rob's side of a moon. Um part of part of what I worry about with the the whole Sede thing is um division and like sowing division and and stuff and hostility towards the hierarchy. It's not like because I want to make it clear, like I don't like there's nothing about these men that I will defend. Like, there's nothing. I don't I don't even want to like downplay the idea that you know I don't I don't want to say it was no big deal what Leo was doing in South America, like none of that stuff is I don't take any of that lightly. Like idol worship is the number one thing that God like punishes his people for. The the thing is that if there's if you look back to the first century, the Christians when they're facing persecution, the way they actually survive it is by finding other Christians, and the way they do that is like they they draw the the half of the fish in the dirt, the the excess somebody else draws the other half. And what worries me about the Sede uh position is that they don't consider people that go to the Novus Ordo Catholic, and that's a dangerous proposition because what you're talking about is if there's ever if there's because I worry about our country, especially now that there's been so many foreigners flooded in, what it does is it lessens cohesion, and you're you're not going to trust the people who don't look like you. So you want to have as much cohesion as possible. So I think these groups that come in and they start sowing division amongst the Christians, it's kind of dangerous because if you're ever in a situation where food runs out, because especially look like you see what's going on in Iran, supply chains get cut off, all energy resources get cut off. Now all of a sudden you have some kind of a famine. And, you know, if you had a famine back when you were in uh a cohesive society, in you know, just like uh a homogenous society in Europe in the Middle Ages, you don't worry about your neighbor coming in and killing you for your food. You work together as the best you can, but when you have neighbors that you don't know and everybody's so separated from each other, that gets dangerous. So you want to have as much cohesion within the Catholic communion as possible. So now if you have if you have this group of settings, it's almost like a converso movement where there it really is, yeah. To show division, right? And to to break us apart, and and that that's what really worries me about it. Because we could talk about like the issues that are going on in the hierarchy, we could talk about all this stuff, but when you start cutting people off and things like that, now if a persecution comes, I promise you, they're not coming looking for the SETI's, the true Catholics. Like, that's not what it's gonna be. Yeah, they don't care about those two or three don't even care about you guys, they're gonna come looking for all of us.

SPEAKER_05 6:50

It's gonna be who's Catholics the FBI wasn't in sede independent masses, guys.

SPEAKER_04 6:55

No, they weren't, and the they they're going to come looking for like all Catholics, right? Like the the church is going to face persecution, and if that happens, you don't like I I can't there's a there's an area where I could envision them aiding it because it's like well they're not real Catholics, so who cares?

SPEAKER_05 7:17

Like say say um say the Democrats or whatever win in 2028 and start real persecution, you know Mike Lewis is gonna sell a lot of right-wing Catholics out. Yeah, well, that's you also know that that you're right, that the SEDs are kind of just the inversion of that, they'd still do it just from the other side.

SPEAKER_04 7:38

It's just so I so I really do worry about so the the reason I it's like it's not that I I'm just silent on the hierarchy hierarchy. I'm just silent on it. And if you go back and you look at the um like the saints, what what they tell they it's like you gotta be cautious pointing the finger at people, like but it's not like I have it's not like I think they're good men like I think these people I think these people are the Sanhedrin, man. It's not it's a very uh it's a very it's a I don't know. I'm I've just been thinking about it a lot. I haven't I don't I don't I don't want to pop off at the mouth like I used to and um but even things like whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa are you suggesting like you actually put thought behind your words now? Uh it's not that I I mean I do say things outlandishly, don't get me wrong, but I am very I know I know well about it. I'm trying to be more cautious about the the more serious things, and I'm like it's man, it's like it's I mean, look, my my archbishop. I I I saw Michael Matt put out a video talking about the Archbishop Bishop of New York, he's quoting Jay-Z in his you know, in his inauguration installation mask.

SPEAKER_05 8:59

Clearly did not watch our video about black music, which right going over super well.

SPEAKER_04 9:06

But the but the thing is, like these men don't even I don't they're they're just horrible. So I don't know, but I also don't want to so I don't want to put put doubts in people's minds because I do think this stuff takes place in the true church, and it's um very similar to when like during the passion, 11 of the 12 apostles run, they run from fear of the Jews. So, like all these conversations carry Prajon Bowler is like Cardinal uh Bishop Barron and Cardinal Dolan. How could you be afraid? It's like, how are you surprised by this? I mean, this is the story of this is the story that the bishops are afraid of the Jews, and they and like they'll they'll talk on certain topics, but they won't, you know, they'll they'll say things that are safe, they're always going to be afraid to to say something really, you know. This is what we I I caught crap for when I said after the council, it's like all of the all of the popes are afraid to proclaim Christ, right? And people came down on me like I was saying some something schismatic there, but it's just reality, these men, they're afraid.

SPEAKER_05 10:23

Yeah, I don't know how anyone can argue that that's wrong, honestly.

Genesis 3:15 And Enmity

SPEAKER_04 10:27

Like, come on, these men are just afraid, and uh so I've I I watched um I watched an interview with uh Dr. Uh Haugen. Haugen, I don't I don't know how to pronounce his name. Uh Dr. Doug Haugen, Dr. Deepstate, basically. Watch an interview with him. It was really kind of interesting. He he talks about we're gonna and I I reached out to him, we're getting him on. I have a uh have a phone call with him tomorrow, and we're gonna try and set something up. It'd be pretty cool to get him on Tuesday before we enter the trituum. Because we have Father Maudsley coming on tomorrow, we're gonna talk about the liturgy, and then I'd like to get Dr. Deep State on Tuesday if it's possible, and kind of just lead us into this trituum to really understand the enmity. Because um, did you happen to listen to the clip with uh Sam Shimon, the 30-minute clip that I put up that uh the the seed of the woman and the seed of uh the serpent? No, Rob from Genesis 315. That is a that is a prophecy about everything we're seeing today. It's so the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman, like I'll I will put enmity between you your seed and this and the and the woman's seed, right? And now we kind of have gone over that a million times, and you just kind of brush over it, but that ends up the seed of the serpent ends up being Cain's uh seed, right? Now Cain dies in the flood, so Jesus, when he's talking to the Pharisees and he's telling them your father was a murderer from the beginning, your father ended up, he's that's a link to Cain, they are the seed of Cain, okay? And it Sam Shamoon took us on this journey that was like showing us explicitly how from the beginning this enmity was proclaimed from the book of Genesis that there would be enmity between the seed of Cain and the seed of the woman, and everything we are seeing today is the culmination of that. Like this topic, I know everybody's exhausted from it, but when it's discussed right, it's done so much to like increase my faith because things are so crazy in the church that I know, guys.

SPEAKER_05 12:41

I saw it in the chat before we started. He has a whoa, whoa, whoa, Mrs. Casey. I know we talk about the Jews a lot, but we don't have any SS episodes, okay?

Vatican II Debate And Donor Incentives

SPEAKER_04 12:50

So listen, don't listen to the whole episode. It's two and a half hours if it's too much for you. But we put the clip up the seed of the serpent and the seed of uh the uh of the devil, right? Rob posted that clip, it's got it doesn't have that many views on it, it's because it's too long, it's too long, but I didn't I wanted to make sure we put that clip out to reference it to people so that they could go and check it out. Because when you see it in scripture, how this whole thing was laid out from Genesis, it it makes the makes scripture come alive and it makes so much sense of where we are today and everything we're facing. So I I reached out to Dr. Deep State because I'm listening to this interview and he's talking about how we're going through a transition of empire right now, and he's talking about uh spectacle, like the spectacle of empire, and how the crucifixion itself was a spectacle of empire, like it's a spectacle of the power of the empire, crucifixion. Yeah, it's like a triumph, you know, like that sort of spectacle. So he brings that into Saint Stephen and talks about Saint Stephen, and then he and then he talks about how Christendom gets laid out, and then the first transition of empire you get is right after the Reformation. And at the Reformation, at that point, you get you go from Christendom to Pax Britannica, where it's basically the English Empire goes and colonizes the world, right? And they're all over, and the British Empire is everything we see today is essentially the remnants of the British Empire. America is formed from that British Empire, and he's talking about how we so we go from Christendom to um Pax Britannica, and what we're going through right now is also a transition, and that transition is Pax Judaica, and what comes along with Pax Judaica is everything's artificial, and it has to do with these devices, and it has to do with artificial intelligence, and has to do everything is about deception, and one of the biggest problems we're facing in the church right now is because at the council the church starts blurring the lines about this enmity that we've been talking about on our show, which is it's it's been this pretty wild journey that you and I have been on because it has to do with conversations with Father Maudsley, has to do with conversations with uh like all these different people that we've talked talked to that kind of like light up another little light bulb that we're talking about, then all of a sudden uh we see the uh the Philos project happen, we see Matt Frad go over to the Daily Wire, and like you and I just kind of had this sense that this thing is really strange, what's happening right now, and it it led into our conversation on Romans 9 through 11, and it's kind of culminating in everything we're seeing now. But that conversation with Sam where he showed how this enmity was spoken of from the book of Genesis, and what happens at the council. This is another thing with the sedes that troubles me is that and also I put out a post today talking about how there's no there's no angel investor or wealthy Catholic that will get behind people like us who make this deeper kind of content on this subject, right? And you have so when when I went down to Florida, I like the whole purpose of me going down there was that I was hoping to meet donors and stuff, right? And the the donors that are around, they'll support a guy like Altman because he's out there trashing Pope Leo, they'll support websites and post 30-year-old photos, like that, and that's where these donors will put their money, and then they'll go hobnob at these grand galas, and and they'll put the you know, and it's Catholics for Catholics down and down. I'm not knocking any of these people, like I met John Yep when I was down there, he's a really nice guy. I'm just saying this is where they're all putting their money. They want a hobnob with the politicians and they want a hobnob with the the famous Catholics and stuff. And I was hoping to go down there, hoping somebody actually is paying attention to what we're doing because what we're doing, I think, is important. But it's not it's it's it's going over everybody's head, except for you guys that actually stick around and listen to the stuff that we talk about. Like the regulars who are watching our show, you know, as much as you guys break our chops that we talk about this a lot, you guys actually have a good understanding of this stuff, and it should be strengthening your faith because this enmity is so important, and and what happens at the council is the church starts to blur the teaching on the enmity. And with no suretate, like, yeah, you can put it up on a whiteboard and say, technically, I'll find a way this works. Because technically, the church doesn't uh change her teaching, but what comes from that and I said this even with when E. Michael Jones came on, I said, I don't care what the document itself says, what I see is what they're doing in Rome with these Assisi meetings, and they're bringing all these different religions into Rome, right? So, no matter what the document itself says, it was ambiguous enough that it blurs the line and it blurs the teaching on this enmity that is so important because it gets us to put our guard down about the Jews, and we no longer are suspicious of them, and they have nothing but suspicion for us.

SPEAKER_05 18:40

And they've been trying it for 40 years already. You see conversations in the 20s between you know the Jews and who that have been, Popeye. Uh you're saying you're saying 40 years before even the council, 40 years before the council, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It would have been what Pius the 11th, probably, I think, in the 20s. Uh the Jews are trying to get him to change the Good Friday prayer all the way back then. And he's like, no, absolutely not. Yeah, it's like it's like they needed they needed that event in the 40s to happen.

SPEAKER_04 19:11

Yeah, they they they did, and that so look when when when Father Father uh Monsley starts coming on, like I it's like me and Rob were so nervous to talk about it at that time, right? We were like, oh my goodness, you can't talk about the Holocaust, you know. And the more I listened to him and the more I talked with him, the more I was like, holy cow, this is actually like I couldn't understand why he was doing it, and then I'm like, man, this is actually pretty important. And then all of a sudden you you get locked in, and you're like, oh my goodness, this is the big lie that gets everybody to go. At least the big story. It's the the the big narrative that gets put through, yeah, that gets everybody to let their guard down, and everything, and everything the whole world changes at that point, and it like even conversations about the alien deception with Daniel O'Connor, like all of the all these different people we've had on have just influenced the way I think about this topic. And I man, I I don't I don't know how uh I don't know how to avoid it, right? So, like before we came on the show, me and Rob were like, like, what do we do on this? Because Rob, like we want to make sure we don't give you guys burnout.

Passion Sunday Missal And Liturgy

SPEAKER_05 20:31

Um and we you know, I don't want to give Rob burnout because I have a form of ADD, like I don't have ADHD, I do not get hyper when my mind is not engaged, it turns off. I get bored, and then I literally will fall asleep. Yeah, and like even someone who only watches you know a third of our videos, like a lot of the stuff will seem semi-new to them, but you know, you and I have had this a conversation around these lines, like weekly for two two years. So yeah, if we can make it new somehow, that would be great.

SPEAKER_04 21:09

Well, well, okay. So last Sunday I go to mass, right? And I open my missile. Do you have uh do you have a 62 missile? Yeah, right by me. All right, can can you open to um to Passion Sunday, which was last Sunday, and just like right before you start Passion Sunday, the it gives you like this little synopsis, like uh right at the top of uh of the proppers for that day. So Passion, it was Passion Sunday last week. Okay, so what am I looking for? Like right at the top of the proppers, like before it starts, it kind of gives you like a synopsis of what we should be thinking about. If it's the same missile.

SPEAKER_05 21:43

Well, which missile was it?

SPEAKER_04 21:45

I was I was using the SSPX one, I think.

SPEAKER_05 21:47

Okay, I have that one. You have that one?

SPEAKER_04 21:50

Yeah, the SSPX one I think I use. That's Angelus Press, right? Yes, yeah, I think that's the one I have.

SPEAKER_05 22:00

I don't have a pre-55 missile. I gotta get one. Passion Sunday. Hold on. When did I offend Margot? Uh, last show. Not you. Oh, it was the audience.

SPEAKER_04 22:12

Oh, somebody in the audience offended Margo.

SPEAKER_05 22:14

I don't even know, like um, like right under where it says Passion Sunday. Yeah, like read that little synopsis right there. The mass of Passion Sunday is full of the thought of the Passion of Jesus and of the infidelity of the Jews, whose place in the kingdom of God was taken by those who were baptized, that is to say, by Christians. From this day until Maudi Thursday, the masses of the season, the psalm Judica Utica May. Well, you'll get it. That doesn't matter. You see what I'm saying, right?

SPEAKER_04 22:44

Like you see, you see how, like, you're like, all right, we all right, let's stop talking about this. Then I open my missile on Sunday, and it's like, we should be reflecting on the passion of Jesus and how the Jews betrayed him, and how the Jews betrayed him, and the kingdom of God was taken from them and given to the baptized. Uh, in other words, the Christians took the kingdom of God. And I'm like, man, it's everywhere. I don't know what to do. Like, we have to talk about this because it's this is why the liturgy is actually really important, right? And what did I knock the camera over? Yeah. This is why the liturgy, and this is why so we're gonna have Father Maudsley on tomorrow, and we're most likely going to discuss the liturgy, but I also want to get I want I want to I want to ask him what his what his approach with the hierarchy is. I want to ask him I want to ask him if he's seen us do anything that he disagrees with. Like, I don't look, you're talking about two uneducated guys trying to tackle one of the most one of the most complicated topics in Christianity that our own hierarchy won't touch. Yeah. It's not, it's not a, you know what I mean? So like we're doing our best with it, and I'm I'm trying to figure this stuff out as I go, and you know, I'm I'm working a day job while I do it, and I'm trying to trying to learn stuff and and and figure this out, but it's a very dense topic, but I I don't know, it's one of those things where once you see it, because we talked about this too early on.

SPEAKER_05 24:22

This is like I thought too, like, hey, come on now.

SPEAKER_04 24:28

No, I uh I know, but I do 90% of you do pillar on here, so it's like um no, so okay, like you you are educated and you actually have like a ton of knowledge. I don't have a lot of knowledge, I like I stretch things, right? Like I I try to have I try to take the things that you're teaching me and I try to play play those out and see where I can take those and things like that. Like, that's why our we have a very complimentary show because it's very different talents that we have. So, where you'll teach me something and I try to apply it, like apply what you just taught me to other things that I've learned, and yeah, you they always bring coherence eventually. Yeah, you idiots are the ones watching it every episode, so I don't want to hear it.

SPEAKER_05 25:21

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Let's not call the people paying us idiots, please.

SPEAKER_04 25:25

I mean, they're paying us, they must be idiots.

SPEAKER_05 25:28

Speaking of people paying us, we should get to our sponsors eventually.

SPEAKER_04 25:32

Um, yes, we will, we will, we will.

SPEAKER_05 25:34

Um, so um yeah, yeah, exactly. Wait, what did Adrian say about he called you the iod savant of the Jewish question, or or of uh older brother typology or something, right?

SPEAKER_04 25:50

Um, but what's it what's interesting is like all the stuff we've talked about with typology. What I was listening to with Dr. Deep State, he was studying the saints, and it's not different. It's not it's not like he's he's giving he's he's studying what the saints said. So he wrote this book like the saints of the apocalypse, and he's studying what all the saints said about this stuff, and he's the saints are deriving the same stuff that we are from our different conversations on scripture, and it's not it's not like we're coming up with it, like we're getting it from other nothing. I come up with is totally original, maybe maybe putting it together for a different source.

SPEAKER_05 26:31

Somehow we find a saint that's in it, yeah.

Burnout And Live Show Logistics

SPEAKER_04 26:33

But it's it's more like getting things from different sources and putting them into something coherent. It's not like I've never seen anywhere where it's kind of laid out like we're laying it out, but it's you get a bit of information from this guy, a bit of information from this, a bit of information from that, and that's how like the narrative ends up laying itself out. But everything he's talking about with the saints maps up exactly how uh on the things that were and not just on the not just on the enmity, but on the fact that this takes place in the true church. And I think Rob and I have always kind of felt like part of what we're doing here is making sure people don't lose their faith and they stay in the church and they stay in the sacraments because it's very easy to see what's going on in the church, and you see a life site news article, and it's like Leo is worshiping idols, and you go, Oh my gosh, this can't be the real church. What do I do? And I leave. And I think that's a tragic, tragic error. Like, I think that is that is that that is like lose your faith kind of mistake stuff. So I think that's what we're trying to do here. My my position on Leo loosening restrictions on the Latin mass isn't like, oh, let's wait and see, and maybe Leo will come out and be the good guy. Like my position is Leo is going to be Peter during the passion because that's what all the popes have been since the council. There, we're going through this passion, and we're like, I'm I if this isn't the great apostasy, I don't know what the great apostasy looks like. It might be a small one or something, I don't know, but it's not good, whatever's happening. So I don't expect Leo to ever be this guy who fixes everything. I expect him to um I I hope so. I hope so. Well, um, look, there's man, because me and Rob kind of had this we'll be drinking better alcohol during Lent. No, because me and Rob did have this conversation behind the scenes the other day. He's like, I don't know, man. Sometimes it feels like like the show used to be edifying and like that, and then sometimes we go down these dark roads, and and Rob has a a way different temperament than I do, right?

SPEAKER_05 28:49

So yeah, if we're catching a lot people that watch get that at this point, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 28:56

So well, if we catch a lot of pushback from comments and things like that, like it hits Rob way different than it hits me, especially if like the like the some of the more awful people are coming at us. It's like I have it, I have a way of just going, I don't give a crap.

SPEAKER_05 29:10

Not even so much that just like the topics themselves, the topics themselves, like during Francis, you know, like it was like a year of just utter crap, you know what I mean? From from Francis and stuff, and it was it uh it it really wore, you know, it wore on me. And I know I know it wore on you too, but like our temperaments handle it differently, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:31

Yeah, I so it's it we're just doing what we can to try and figure it out. So yeah, so Rob was like, I don't know, man. It's just like it got it got part of the reason Rob took that week off is because it he just needed a little like break from it. It's like this is just like I just like everything we're talking about is doom and gloom. And it's like he's got he just loves his grandmother and his his uh his kids were sick. It's like dude, just take a week, like just chill out for a week and I'll be fine, don't worry.

SPEAKER_05 30:00

And and um then he forgot to do a local show on one, and then we're local subscribe.

SPEAKER_04 30:06

Well, I didn't forget it was I was so tired, Rob. Like, I know I was just so tired. But honestly, like when you're not here, the show isn't the same, it really isn't. Like, even with a guest, like, all right, so when we have a guest, um Rob's like paying attention to the chat, and he's assuming I got the conversation going. So, like, even the even the episode we had um Enoch and uh uh what's his name? Uh yeah, so he he came on the show to promote his book, and like I stopped talking, and Rob's Rob's assuming they're in the conversation, but what happened was they were reading the chat too. So I'm Amy the J the JQ is the Jewish question. The Jewish question, yeah. Um, so I'm talking, expecting the two guests to be listening to me and ready to respond, and they're reading the chat. So I stop talking, waiting for a response, and all three of them are silent. But Rob's the one highlighting comments and stuff, like that's actually Rob's job.

SPEAKER_05 31:08

Plus, when a guest, like when a guest is on, like I want them to speak, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_04 31:13

Like, yeah, unlike some people who I kind of guide the conversation too, though, right? So it's like I mean, if you if you have something to jump in with, of course, but like generally you're letting me, you know, guide the conversation and take it where I want and stuff. But when the guest is this, this happened with Joshua Charles that night. When Joshua Charles was like, I'm trying to have a conversation with him, and he's like looking at the chat.

SPEAKER_05 31:34

It's like dude, that was such a dumpster fire, but in the funniest way possible.

SPEAKER_04 31:38

Well, it was funny for the people watching the show live. You got so frustrated. That's why it was funny for me. You were so upset, dude. Uh, because I want uh me and Josh had this amazing con. He's gonna be so bad. I'm talking about this again. He's like, You don't let anything go ever. But it's just bringing it to the text, it's bringing it to the point, like it's uh because when you're not here, I don't pay attention to the chat. Because if I pay attention to the chat, I'm disengaged from the conversation, it's very difficult to stay engaged in a conversation and pay attention to the chat at the same time.

SPEAKER_05 32:07

So especially because anyone who doesn't use stream yard doesn't know, but like I have the chat up in StreamYard so I can click it, but not everything that actually gets put, like I also have the YouTube chat itself up over here so I can do moderation actions, like so. I'm literally actually watching the same chat about five seconds apart in two separate spots while trying to talk to Anthony.

SPEAKER_04 32:29

Yeah, so it's it's a tricky thing, yeah. So it's like you you do need somebody to manage what Rob's doing. But yeah, it's it's like so so that's what happened that episode. So yeah, so Rob was out last week, and I'm like, all right, I can handle this, you know. So we did two shows, but yeah, I'm gonna blow off locals. I'm gonna forget to do the sponsors because I count on you to help me with that stuff. Um, but I loved getting that text. What's the code? What's the code for the lobster? Midstream was the code.

SPEAKER_05 33:02

My first thought was the show started an hour ago. Why are you just getting to it?

SPEAKER_04 33:06

But yeah, because and thank god for the people in the chat reminding me though. Like the people in the chat were like, dude, you have to do the sponsor.

The Wait And See Debate

SPEAKER_05 33:14

Um, yes, Ryan, you are right. Yeah, you might not get the that sense on eternal Christendom, but at heart, Josh is just another bro.

SPEAKER_04 33:23

He just might he just wants he just wants to hang with the boys. Um, so all right. So I guess we'll we'll what we'll do is we'll do the ads real quick, and then we'll bring up the article in the Catholic Herald from Parallelin, and we'll discuss that. So, and then I'll kind of give my thoughts on why what what I think the because the like the trad inc position, I guess, like from Michael Matt and um and Taylor and a lot of those guys was like, hey, let's wait and see, let's not attack the Pope right away. Um, and maybe we'll get some Latin mass back. And then the guys on the other side were like, it's not just about the Latin mass, we gotta call out all this stuff. And I understand, like, I see both sides of that argument. Yeah, I see both sides of that argument. I don't even know where I land on it. I kind of see a benefit in not going after the Pope but getting like, yeah, I guess we're begging for scraps, right?

SPEAKER_05 34:19

But like you can't tell me that like Taylor Marshall cares only about the liturgy, right? About that form of the liturgy. Of course. I think he sees that if the Latin Mass becomes more widespread, like it was under some more and pontificum, that that is how you can pass on like the fullness of the of the faith to to more people that otherwise.

SPEAKER_04 34:45

It's like how you build culture, right?

SPEAKER_05 34:46

Like you have to build a culture around the thing. Like, we're not gonna get Leo and the Cardinals and the Curia, we're not gonna get them to stop being modernist at all, let alone by browbreeding, browbeating them. You get them to change in the future by raising up, you know, kids that are gonna be good priests and bishops and stuff and stuff.

SPEAKER_04 35:10

All right, so this is the this is the debate, right? And uh it was the debate Brian Holdsworth and I had with Tim Gordon when he came on, where Tim was like just calling out Leo, and we were like, dude, but you're like you're a skateboarder, you understand culture, skateboarder culture. Like we're trying to like we were relating it to skateboard culture, and it's like what okay, what I learned under Francis is all of our ranting on the internet, it brought down a heavier hand. It under him, it definitely did, yeah. It brought down a heavier hand, it did, and it made it a million times worse. So I think it wasn't so much, oh, let's wait and see if Leo's a good pope, as much as especially for a guy like Taylor. You guys have to think about the position Taylor was in. They were blaming him for the rejections on the laptop, literally naming him, like he was being blamed for traditionus custodus. So he a guy like him actually has this really big responsibility to shut up about this a little bit. New Pope's coming in. You don't want to be the ringleader of the attack on the new pope when there's a chance we could loosen this thing a little. Like I said, I'm sorry, like that's just an honest position for the guy to say, and I know people who were friends with Taylor who like shunned him for taking that position. And like they're mad at him, and they think he sold out. And I'm like, I don't know, man. I think he I think he maybe prayed about it and looked at it and was like, I don't, I don't like who am I to lead this who am I to lead this movement against the Pope? Like who the hell are we to lead a movement against the Pope? Like what are what are we doing here? I don't care if like what like you're you're like if you have any Catholic sensibility, think about what you're doing. Like I don't I don't know. I don't I don't see how that's a Catholic how that's a Catholic disposition to have. And I and I look and I look across the the board at the people I respect.

SPEAKER_05 37:24

Especially especially when the you know brand new Pope. It's you know it's a little different a decade into a pontificate where the Pope's done nothing but you know beat you, basically, you know, and and stuck, you know, put you down for 10 years. That's a little different, I think.

SPEAKER_04 37:45

Yeah, well what what's interesting is like like the the the people who accuse Taylor of selling out or Michael Matt of selling out, like I I don't I don't I don't think it was about selling out I think it really was about like no let's let's see if we could get some like I don't know I think there's like an arrogance to being like and look I'll tell you right now man like I have a hard time like I see how the trads act sometimes and I'm just like oh my god your makes really not want to be associated with yeah it's like what are you guys doing man like you just like you just seem like spec detectors like looking for the tiniest mistake to go after it's like there's not an ounce of Leo and I don't look like I said like it's not like I'm making light of Leo taking part in a Pachamama ceremony like it's it's vile it's if if it is what what the pictures claim like it's vile i mean it is i don't i don't but i don't i don't know what place i have as a construction worker with a podcast to go calling out the sins of the higher like who the hell am I? I'm not doing that. I I would much rather talk to people about like how to make sense of this stuff instead of like leading some charge against the hierarchy. I'd rather just look at the the the the story that we've seen unfold with salvation history and the fact that Christ literally told us this is how it would play out. Like we're not how anybody is surprised when we actually have prophecies telling us exactly how things are gonna lay out. We have our lady telling us there's going to be a diabolical disorientation, an operation of error that the hierarchy will be operating on. What do you think that is? It's it's it's this whole blurring of the enmity thing. And it's like um I say like way too much. I'm sorry, guys. This issue the more I see it come out in the open in the secular, the more it makes sense to me. And I'm just confirmed in my faith, and I'm just more confident than ever that I'm in the right place, and I'm not going to orthodoxy, and I'm not going to some I don't know where his orders came from priest. I'm not doing that. I'm just not doing that. I look at I look at the the I look at the uh like even a guy like Father Maudsley, he's not out there ranting about the hierarchy ever. I've spoken to him privately about things, but he's not on his videos ranting about the hierarchy. He won't even speak a negative word about the order he was dismissed from.

SPEAKER_05 40:37

Nope.

SPEAKER_04 40:38

Like that, because that is the disposition of a saint, right? Like a saint doesn't take it upon themselves to right the wrongs of the church. I mean, some I guess some did. I don't want to say that. That's not actually like uh, you know, some some of the saints did, but I feel like they were like, I'm not being called by God to do that. That's all I'm saying. If I like God would have to really give me some kind of prompting for me to do something like that.

SPEAKER_05 41:05

Don't worry, everyone, if he ever claims otherwise, I will slap him down. That's what I'm here for.

SPEAKER_04 41:10

God certainly isn't telling me to go rebuild his church like he did Saint Francis, that's for sure. Um's my stupid mouse. What am I not? Wow.

SPEAKER_05 41:27

The shows without me really were bad, huh? I can't pull up that comment.

SPEAKER_04 41:31

Uh pull up the S. Yeah. Uh, did you see Catholic Esquire's last video on this? I think it sums up what's going on with the letter concerning being generous. Rome has said this before and then does nothing or punishes trats. Probably. I mean, I don't I don't know if anything.

SPEAKER_05 41:44

Yeah, I don't I don't I don't think uh TC is gonna be overturned. No, I think or anything like that.

SPEAKER_04 41:51

No, I don't I don't think you're gonna he's gonna abrogate anything Francis did, not for a long time. Like, I think it's too still too fresh. He's still in his first year. I think that he's going to behind the scenes tell people to chill out.

SPEAKER_08 42:04

Yeah.

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SPEAKER_04 42:06

I think he I think he doesn't want that to be a place of hostility. But yeah, I don't like I have no no uh you should really have no expectations at the end. None, like none at all. None. I the uh American Reform posted uh picture of Pope Francis getting blessed by uh Welby. Yeah, yeah, right? He posts a picture of Welby and he goes, You think you think Leo will do this and let the woman bless him? Yeah, of course. I'm like I'm like, I don't think he will, but it wouldn't surprise me. Like I wouldn't, I wouldn't even like nothing shocks me anymore. Nothing, I'm not even phased by this stuff anymore. And when I see when I see Trads who have been in this fight for longer than I have, acting shocked over this stuff, I'm like, dude, you're feigning it could clearly become performative. It's performative indignation. Like, you cannot possibly be surprised by this stuff by now. And if you are, then you like what year do you think we're in? Like, what what do you think this is? 2014, 2015? I mean, this this stuff is what it is, just is what it is. I don't know. Yep, nothing shocks and answer getting a ton of free lobster. Let's do lobster. Shoplobster.com. What's going on with my lobster, by the way?

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SPEAKER_05 44:26

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SPEAKER_05 44:38

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SPEAKER_05 44:57

Well, we do have the code. I we I just don't want to play more than two ads in a show. Oh, what did you do?

SPEAKER_04 45:05

I just closed my computer and reopened it. You are the worst. No, I'm good. Now I got my mouse back. Um, that's why I did it. All right, so nothing shocks me anymore. The part that bothers me is the stumbling blocks these men create for the people I'm trying to bring into the chat. That's a hard that is the hardest part. It's uh that's hard, and also that you're defending a faith. Like when you're arguing with people about Catholicism, you're you're you're arguing for a faith that is no longer presented by the hierarchy. It's a very, you know, you're you're getting into these theological debates, you're getting into debates on scripture, and it's like the church doesn't teach that anymore.

SPEAKER_05 45:42

Like it's it's it's hard to can convince, like, say, a Protestant that yes, these men right there, they are the successors to the apostles, but like 80% of them are gay, none of them believe the faith, they don't believe in hell, you know.

SPEAKER_04 45:58

Like, yeah, well, look, you have to remember that 11 of the 12 ran. Yes, and even if I when I compare them to the Sanhedrin, what do you have? Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus?

SPEAKER_05 46:12

The good ones, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 46:13

The only good ones, like they're the only good ones, right? So look, and look at what you have now. You have you got Bishop Schneider out there, you got Bishop Strickland out there. You got a you got a handful of them, yeah. You got you got you got a handful of them that are willing to lay their and and honestly, like God bless Strickland, but he doesn't have to worry about consequences anymore, so he can speak on this stuff. They gave him everything, right? Oh, tell me, I can't wait to see her again. Um, yeah, like uh uh in a way, I feel like uh Strickland was was it was like a grace by God that he was relieved of his station so that he can now speak out about this stuff because I see him coming around on it a lot. Um it's I mean it's so in everybody's face at this point. You know, for all the for all the all the crap I gave Carrie Prajon Bowler, like what she did actually brought the conversation up and seeing who's a coward and who's going to stand up and defend her. Yeah, now she just needs to shut up and go away. Yeah, I mean I don't think she should have spoken up in the first place. I'll give her some credit, whatever.

SPEAKER_05 47:29

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SPEAKER_05 48:00

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SPEAKER_05 48:43

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SPEAKER_04 49:08

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Barron Clip And Latin Mass Appeal

SPEAKER_05 49:41

I was gonna say it. I mean, we talked about the article 40 minutes ago. I don't know if bringing it up now makes sense. Um, what what what I have is look at this holy crap, they still have access to that account. I wasn't even aware.

SPEAKER_04 49:55

Good old Tex Cathedra. Good old Tex Cathedra. We love those boys. Um, I do I wanted to did you see the Bishop Barron clip?

SPEAKER_05 50:04

I've I mean I I didn't watch it, but I've seen it, yeah. Um, we're gonna put it on his it was on his okay.

SPEAKER_04 50:10

You said yeah, I just sent it to Telegram. So I have a list of things. Um I have a list of things that I'll send you as we go through so so that you don't have to have everything in the telegram at once. Um Mimi, I was just talking about you with Joshua Charles actually, because Joshua Charles told me and Rob that there was um there was a woman who's a little bit older from the south, who is a big supporter of eternal Christendom. And when she uh Josh calls his patrons monthly and tries to give a couple of colours. Yeah, once a year, yeah, once a year tries to give everybody a call. And when he called this woman, she uh she talked about how much she loved Rob and I and him. And I said, Was her name Mimi by any chance? He said, No, it was something I said because Mimi, Mimi's a big fan of ours. So I thought she might have been over there.

SPEAKER_05 50:58

But last uh it was probably beginning of last December. I got a call while I was at work from Josh.

SPEAKER_04 51:04

Oh, because you're uh you're a supporter.

SPEAKER_05 51:07

So I answered Mike, I'm like, hey, what's up? You got a problem with your computer or something? He goes, No, I'm just calling all my supporters. I'm like, oh okay. That's about all he ever calls me for is computer problems.

SPEAKER_04 51:21

It's funny because like I'll I always like reach out, like I reach out to Dr. Deepstay, right? So I'll start the friendship, then they'll come on and they'll meet Rob, and then something will come up on their end, and they're like, Hey, how do you do this thing? I'm like, I have no idea. Next thing I know, I'm in a group chat with Anthony and a random number I don't know. It's like everybody that's how Rob gets gets gets launched into something.

SPEAKER_05 51:41

Um, as of right now, I think he calls everyone. Yeah, go five ten bucks a month. Eventually, that's probably gonna become impossible, but uh I will say this though.

SPEAKER_04 51:54

He said uh from the times he comes on our show, he gets huge boosts in support on Eternal Christendom. I'm fat from lobster and addicted to nicotine. So Robins, you're a cheat.

SPEAKER_03 52:10

He's tech support. Uh oh buddy, buddy, buddy, press this button, buddy. What are you doing, buddy?

SPEAKER_04 52:21

Um all right, so uh yeah, so um uh Stephen Cox saw this clip and he goes, I think that they're they're putting out these feelers out there and they're loosening the restrictions on the Latin mass so that I don't mean to make fun of your voice, Stephen. I'm I'm just kind of making fun of your idea, though. He's like, they're putting this out because they're gonna excommunicate the SSPX. They want to keep the people from going to the SSPX and keep them in. I'm like, that's just silly, they don't care. Sorry, sorry, press the button, sorry. So uh Baron had, I guess this was this guy, an actor or something, he was a Disney actor, Disney actor, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 53:01

It's funny how you got you got Charlie LaBeouf, you got this guy, you got uh uh Murray Rundis. What was Murray Rundis? He was on Disney. Was he? You didn't know that? I had no idea. I you know where I learned it on the show he did with us.

SPEAKER_04 53:19

How do you not know this? Rob, we talked to so many people. I don't remember that stuff. I for I forget.

SPEAKER_05 53:25

Yeah, uh Murray Wyatt Rundus was um gamers guy to pretty much everything. He was also in an episode of Young Sheldon, apparently.

SPEAKER_04 53:40

Wow. Look at him. Now he's the head star at uh Pelican. All right, play this clip and then we're gonna jump over to locals.

SPEAKER_02 53:50

I walked into this mass, and right away I thought I'm in a young adult mass because I look around and there's like people my age with children. Wait, is this a young adult mass to my buddy? I'm like, are we in the young adult mass? They're gonna be like rock bands coming out, and all of a sudden the doors open in the back and the choir erupts. A hospital.

SPEAKER_07 54:07

And then the female goes, and I go, I chills went down my spine.

SPEAKER_02 54:14

I said, What is this? And the priest comes in with incense, and there's a liturgy that I watch. The priest is suddenly facing God, he's facing the tabernacle, and I see this really quiet mass, and everyone's praying. People aren't worrying about, oh, what am I gonna say, or what am I gonna do this and that? Everyone's like focused on what's going on up there. And I'm like, and women are in veils. And I'm after the mass, I sat my buddy down. I go, You can't leave to go get your donut or whatever you're going to do right now. What was that? And he goes, David, that's that's the Latin Mass. And I go, What is the Latin Mass? What is that? Yeah. He said, Oh, it's it's a liturgy that they've been doing for centuries and centuries and centuries, and this is how they all are. I went, What? How's no one told me about this? This is it the the the homily that sounded exactly like the book, right?

SPEAKER_04 54:57

Every one of us have that moment. Um, especially if you're a cradle Catholic. Uh uh, is this Joan Denise? Joan Denise, uh, my wife is going to the shrine either this Friday or next Friday for the stations. Um, yeah. Well, uh she she may either she's either gonna go um no, not this Friday, today's Friday. So she's going next Friday. Um Good Friday. For Good Friday, she's gonna go during the day and do the stations at the shrine. So if you're out there, you may meet my wife. Um, yeah, it's uh it's it's funny when like you hear these stories because it's been so long for us. It's like, oh, a newbie, he found the Latin Mass. But then he's going to couch it in, but I've been to Reverend Novus Ordos, too. I haven't watched this. I'm sure that's where he's going with it. He has. I didn't listen to the whole clip either.

SPEAKER_05 55:45

Let's play it out. Do you think hold on? Do you think Barrett or Barron is gonna make a Bob Dylan reference? Oh man, I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 55:52

I'm sure he will. He's only got 33 seconds, but I won't.

SPEAKER_04 55:56

Well, the Latin Mass is the privileged way, but no, no, I know the sordo is the privileged way. We just look at the heaven at the Latin Mass.

SPEAKER_02 56:05

Books that I was reading, exactly like the Saints that I was reading. It's the moment where I went, okay, I'm not crazy. Like I'm not crazy to feel that what I was getting on a daily basis. And and and what I'm not doing, by the way, just to clarify, is like a Latin mass novosoto da da da right. 100% because I've been to gorgeous Novosotos too, that I'm absolutely captivated by. Right. So, but what I'm what I'm describing, I think, is the feeling that Gen Zene millennials are going through. Yeah, you know, I get it. And every time I meet, I I've got had the pleasure of meeting Gen Z millennials all over the world right now. And there's a couple common things. And the one common thing is we are just sick of the world, man, Baron.

SPEAKER_04 56:43

I just want to talk to, I want to just like talk to these guys and just be like, dude, what are you doing?

SPEAKER_03 56:50

Like, what are you doing, man?

SPEAKER_04 56:52

Every single person you talk to under 50 talks like this. What is it? I don't get it. How do you guys not see it? You think you think Baron seemed irritated? I don't know if Barron seemed irritated. I think I think Barron understands it in some way, but like, but like I said, look, the the because you saw like Pine Sat today was like, this is a sign of beige Catholicism's going away. It's like dude.

SPEAKER_05 57:22

Don Barron is not my bishop. Take that back.

SPEAKER_04 57:28

I honestly you'd be in good shape if he was, though. Like he's he's he's I mean, if you're gonna have a bishop, I wouldn't mind Baron as a bishop. Better than Baron's not a villain. He is better than a lot, yes. It's not a villain, it's just Baron, you know? It's like it it him uh all right. I uh okay, so the the the video I put out of uh uh my new archbishop when I first put it out, and I was like Yeah, yeah, yeah. The one that's listed as private and you guys just stop putting these gay men in front of our faces. Like the thing is I was like, you know, Barron kind of seems like a guy's guy. Like you go out and grab a beer with him, but I know a priest in in that diocese, and he's like, dude, Barron is part of the gay mafia, dude. Like he's like, you don't even know.

SPEAKER_05 58:21

Baron see, I've I've always got that feeling about him.

SPEAKER_04 58:25

I always I always thought Barron was liked his biggest flaw was that he liked to be liked. So he tried to be a liberal to the liberals and a trad to the trads and uh conservative novus order to the no conservative novus ordos. Like I just thought he was trying to be whatever he thought people wanted him to be, you know. That was always my impression about uh Dolan, but but the Hicks thing the Hicks thing, the the Hicks thing, what it feels like to me is uh no Bobby, I don't know. I don't give a crap who likes me. That's not true. I'm me, and if you like me, you like me. If you don't, that's on you. I don't know what to tell you. I don't need people to like me for me to like them. That's that's the thing. Like I like a lot of people that don't like me. But I'm the opposite.

SPEAKER_05 59:23

A lot of people like me that I absolutely dislike.

SPEAKER_04 59:26

Yeah, I always always been that way. The thing with Hicks for me was that um I like I don't know what the guy is. What I see is uh a guy who's flamboyant, right? Yes, that's a that that's a that's more accurate.

SPEAKER_05 59:50

Don says Ant Lorgan needs to be liked, he just needs to be paid attention to.

SPEAKER_04 59:53

Yeah, I I'm I'm vainglorious, I'll give you that, but I don't care if you like me as long as you're paying attention. As long as you're talking about me, I don't care if you like me. Um no, with Hicks, it's like um he's so effeminate that it's almost like a slap in our face. And the fact that he's like he's not hostile towards the Latin mass, it's like now we gotta go and say good things and grovel to this effeminate man. Like it just seems like something they're like putting in your face intentionally, you know, and it's like I can't I don't know. It's it just feels like a humiliation ritual. That's kind of what it feels like. So yeah, I don't know, Dolan.

unknown 1:00:41

I don't know.

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SPEAKER_04 1:00:42

Dolan, if I bumped into him, I'd say hello, you know. Um Hicks was my old bishop, he was great for us, but what I've seen of him at New York is pretty cringe. He didn't really act like that with us. He seems soft, but yeah, he seems way way more effeminate. Yeah, I don't know the guy. I don't, you know, I'm not trying to hold on.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:00

Is there something in the reputation or anything, but is there something going on right now?

SPEAKER_04 1:01:06

Yes, my my background is absolutely a Long Island basement. Some going on with comments?

SPEAKER_08 1:01:12

No, not in comments.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:15

Uh some key uh it's you never know if any of this is true. Someone says uh on Twitter that uh the key radar facility handling DC Airspace has been evacuated. FAA is implementing ground stops for Reagan National, Dulles, Baltimore, Charlottesville, and Richmond Airports. Something's coming, kids.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:39

I don't know if that's true, but something's coming. The uh the thing is uh yeah, like the I'll I'll give you another one. The uh did you see this story? Um okay, I'm sending it right now. Pull pull this tweet up. We do have to go over to locals though, because we give these people too much time over here. We're supposed to be doing so, like what we're gonna start doing is like 30, 35 minutes on YouTube and then jumping over to locals because we gotta we gotta hook the locals people up. They're there YouTube has decided they're going to pay half of what they used to, essentially. So Rob and I used to make like 500 bucks, 600 bucks each on YouTube. Now we're getting like 300 bucks each on YouTube.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:30

Yeah, and and I I dug into it a little. It is uh it's like the amount of money they're paying per ad view is is what has gone down. It's not like yeah, and you've seen it like if you looked since October, it decreases 200 every October is when the the algorithm because we crashes September, October. We were we were growing about as fast as we are now. October the algorithm some somehow changes, views drop off, nose dives, our pay per view dropped off.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:04

It just yeah, so every month you see a decrease where it's like you know, we were we were getting like in October, I think we got like 700. It was like 1400 YouTube gave us, then it then you watch in uh November it drops to to 1200, then December is a thousand. It's down at like I think 700 bucks right now for the month total for the month. It's like that that's you know, so we gotta if YouTube's not gonna pay us, we're gonna just give everything to locals because that's that's uh that's the only way we survive. We made less less money last last month than we have in a long time. Like a year almost, yeah, like a year or so. But we have hit 75,000. That's what nuts. You wonder what's crazy? Rob was telling me that uh the video that actually got that, like we jumped up and subs is that stupid truck video I did about Mike Pantile, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:58

So that one that so yeah, let me here. I'll just I'm not gonna show them on screen, but oh, I went into the wrong video, that's why I went into the Father Modsley one. So we've had two videos in the last month that has that have driven all the growth. Um, the first one was the the truck video about Mike Pantile. That uh that video has 54,000 views. Um and got us let's see how many subs. Uh no, stop that, you pizza and got us 13,000 subs. What? Yep, and then the second video that's doing really well is the Was Jesus a Jew with Shemun. Oh, really? Yeah, so that video has gotten us 7,000 subs, and that video has right now 29,000 views. Look at that, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:05

You see, sometimes sometimes the video just goes now. The thing is, those I you don't know if those subs are gonna be regular viewers now. So it's like, all right, we got 75,000 subscribers, but like we're our our our live shows, they're always in the seven to ten thousand range. That's where they always end up. They're you know, might get eleven thousand or something like that. But um, this is boring. Stop talking about your channel. All right, anyway. Um, yeah, bring up that tweet. Okay. This is uh so go to the first tweet that's outside of that one. Uh the Western invasion tweet. Yeah. All right. So an African migrant set fire to the 600 year old cathedral in Nantes, or whatever. I don't know. A year after his release, he brutally murdered murdered Father uh Mare. This happened in France, Rwandan citizen. I'm not even gonna pronounce his name. Asylum application to France submitted in 2012 has been repeatedly rejected despite needing deportation. He has been uh he has continued to live illegally. He was sentenced to 30 years in prison in 26. Illegal immigration continues to destroy Western values. So this church goes up in flames. This immigrant who was rejected for asylum and they never actually deported, deported him. Now go back to that other tweet. He was given the keys to the cathedral by the priests. They put him in charge of locking up and gave him verger duties. After he set it on fire, destroying the organ and organ law, Father Mayer offered him a safe haven in his home to await trial, and he proceeded to murder him. This is suicidal empathy. These men, they think the only thing you can do is welcome the stranger. It's it's psychotic behavior. Every one of these bishops, they think it's like because it's the only way they can feign holiness.

SPEAKER_05 1:07:08

True. It's it's a it's a way they don't have real virtue, so they have to virtue signal.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:12

Yeah, they're virtue signaling with this. They can feign holiness, like it's like they won't talk about a single difficult issue that will get their people to heaven. They will say something that's not even really Catholic teaching, but it sounds good. And it goes along with the liberal, you know, it goes along with the liberal platitude. It's a platitude. These these men are just it's uh I don't know what I don't know what happens, like they're just all gonna, they're all gonna just welcome their own death. That's what they've been doing. They're welcoming their own death in, and they think it's they think it's the opposite. I don't know. They're just woe to you who call good evil and evil good. Um so all right, let's go over to locals. I got a bunch of stuff on locals. Uh we got uh I'll tell you what you got what we're gonna do on locals tonight. Um JD Vance calls aliens demons. Uh we could discuss Jack Masobic saying the Lord of the Rings is overtly pagan, which is interesting. It's a bit interesting. It's stupid, but it's it's nuanced. No, it's not. Tolkien is giving a pre-Christian mythology to the English with the Lord of the Rings, right? Oh what Tolkien was doing, he was trying to give up.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:44

Yeah, but he also but he also had a mythology, he also literally says himself that is a fund it is a fundamentally Catholic word.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:53

Oh well uh but uh Rob, I would argue that Homer's Iliad is Christian in essence. It's not though it's not, I know what you're saying, but like you see hint because because the the passion and uh the gospel is actually the reality, like it because that is reality, like that is the real narrative. You will see hints and echoes of that story in every pre-Christian story that survives that long of time, like any of those yeah, right.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:25

But but the you'll see echoes of the verts, the virtues extolled in the Odyssey, in the Iliad, in the Aeneid are not Christian virtues.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:35

Your conversation for the other side, we're good conversation for the other side. Very cool. Because I'm I'm I'm probably wrong. Obviously, we're gonna know better on this. I just think Pasovic's an idiot, but I do too. Don't we'll we'll agree on that, don't worry. I was trying to no, you're just trying to, you're you're trying to start. I know, I know what you're saying. Yeah, just trying to have conversations, so but also like when I saw Persovic's tweet, I was like, This is the this is the this is no different than calling your wife a former cam girl or something. Like it's that's his version of like my boy, my wife was formerly promiscuous, you know. It's just yeah, he's just doing it to set the internet on fire, but at least he didn't sell his wife's soul out the window. So, all right.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:13

So we only have 15 likes. No, no, the number of times you've said it.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:18

Yeah, you got you're gonna you're gonna break the counter. It's gonna break. I don't know what you're thinking. All right. So if you guys aren't uh locals members, we're gonna all right. So we're gonna do that. Hold on.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:29

Let me let me get the the link in here.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:32

We can discuss uh Leo's letter to to the the fake bishop of Canterbury.

SPEAKER_07 1:10:37

Yeah.

Locals Transition And Upcoming Guests

SPEAKER_04 1:10:39

Uh also Tucker did a whole segment on how Israel is destroying Christian churches in Lebanon. And we could do that, but we can still lighter topics. I I say we do Pesobic and then we do JD Vance and Aliens. Those are two, those are two good topics for over there.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:58

And uh anyone watching this, if you're not on locals now, and even if you don't want to join locals for what we're doing right now, join for tomorrow morning.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:08

Yeah, oh that's a huge one, right? So with Father Maudsley coming on tomorrow, if you're a locals member, you'll see it live. If you're not a locals member, if there's something pertinent to the Palm Sunday liturgy, we'll release a clip. Well, to any of the Holy Week liturgy. No, we're gonna release a clip tomorrow for Palm Sunday, and then Wednesday before the trituum, we'll release if I maybe we're gonna be busy tomorrow after the show, so we'll we'll see if I can get a clip out. I'll cut the clip. I'll I'll take care of all the editing and stuff. And and you already have the thumbnail, I can post all that. I'll take it if there's something uh uh pertinent to the um the Palm Sunday liturgy. I'll I'll get the clip up for you guys. Uh otherwise, if you're not a locals member, you're waiting until before the trade of one, like right before the trader one will release the full thing.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:01

We yeah, we'll release as much as we think is possible on YouTube because that I mean that's why Father Modsley comes on with us because he know he wants our region. We let him say whatever. Well, I'm I'm saying he wants it to get out there, and we will we do want to put it out there, but um, for this subject, locals gives us that uh ability to look through it and listen to it a few times.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:26

So I'll yeah, all right, we'll discuss it later. Yeah, all right. So if you guys are not locals members, if you want to see the Father Maudsley interview before we release the full thing midweek or whenever we release it, you gotta get on locals. Uh and then I'm gonna try and get uh Dr. Deep State on Tuesday, and that'll probably be an amazing local segment when we have him on. So yeah, all right, guys. Jump over to locals. We'll see you guys on the other side. Take us out, Rob. Oh, what are we gonna play? What am I gonna play? Wait, cheapo over here who has a free subscription saying this. We gave this kid a free local sub and he's telling everybody that's cheap.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:02

I love it.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:04

That's great. I love it. All right, uh, I don't know what to play.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:12

Unite the clans, Enoch. Let's go. Yeah, yeah. Take me back to my remote. Unite the clans, I give thanks to each person. It's the same holy bottom that we immersed in. It's that same tradition that we all inversed. United we stand and divided in wings. The United Independence divided in things. If you think about it, it's you can stop for the same man, the biggest fit.