Good Friday Has Changed — Most Catholics Don't Know This (with Father Mawdsley)

Holy Week hits different when you stop treating it like a reenactment and start treating it like formation. We sit down with Father Mawdsley to talk about the older Catholic instincts that the liturgy can rebuild: steady trust under pressure, clarity about what the Church is doing at the altar, and the quiet courage to refuse performative participation when something feels spiritually off.

We get specific about the Good Friday liturgy, the solemn intercessions, and the practical question many people ask every year: when do you genuflect, and when do you remain standing? From there we move to Palm Sunday and the Passion reading, and why speaking certain crowd lines as a congregation can confuse contrition with participation. Along the way we keep coming back to the Traditional Latin Mass, pre-1955 Holy Week, and the claim that the rites don’t merely reflect Catholic belief, they shape Catholic reflexes.

The conversation widens into bigger questions about propaganda, war reporting, and how Christians hold moral lines when everything feels like spectacle. We also take a listener question on usury and modern finances, including retirement accounts and how to detach from systems you didn’t build without letting money rule your life.

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Transcript

Why This Conversation Matters

SPEAKER_01 0:32

So Taffy did make an intro for this, but Rob Rob and I have made we've realized like you never play uh uh one of Taffy's intros when we have a priest on because we always want to respect the dignity of a priest. Um but Father Maudsley, man, I I my wife asked me last night, how did you meet Father Maudsley? And I I don't remember, I think it might have been my friend Joe introduced us, and and we started just texting between each other and talking about like, oh, what could we what could we talk about? And I said to you, I was like, I'm not really worried, just come on with us and we'll figure something out. And that first episode we did together was right after you wrote crucifixion to creation. Yeah. And it was, I remember getting off that show and my mind just being like blown completely, my heart was on fire. You explained so much about how um the story of the crucifixion was written into creation, every single word. And then just recently, I've come to realize like everything we're seeing today was also written into the story of creation. And I just reflecting on this journey we've been on since we met you, watching your your um just uh evolution of how you your your way of thinking has changed from when you wrote We don't believe in evolution, Moses uh yeah, no, you know what I mean, not evolution, but shows us God shows us the good before he shows us the bad, otherwise we couldn't handle it.

SPEAKER_03 2:03

So even people who don't believe in Jesus say there's terrible things in the world, evil, but you don't really get where it's coming from and what it is. But he'll show you his love and the reality of the incarnation and resurrection, and when you're blown away by that and made happy by that, then the journey continues and he starts to let you see the dark side.

SPEAKER_01 2:26

Yeah, I was I was telling I was telling Rob last night that it's all it's almost as if the crazier things get, and the more I see this enmity breaking out between the the Jews and Christians, it's the more I'm confirmed in my faith now. Because especially when you see that it was written in from the book of Genesis that the the enmity will be between the seed of the woman and the seed of the serpent. And when you get the what what happens after the crucifixion and the resurrection and the destruction of the temple, and how the Jews are cast amongst the nations, like like they're dispersed amongst the nations as if they're Cain, right? And they and they have to they have to wander the earth like Cain had to wander the earth, and they have the mark of Cain on them, and then understanding how even them being gathered back into the land, because there's one phrase that you had said to us early on that shook me and made me very like, whoa, but you had said that the that the what's going on in Israel right now is this is the kingdom of Satan on earth, and I remember hearing that the first time and being afraid to have have said that.

SPEAKER_03 3:45

Like I was like, that's a scary thing to say, and it's it's not a kingdom like Christ's kingdom, which is spiritual and coherent and internally united. Satan's kingdom is a mockery, it's disintegrated, they all hate each other, it doesn't have a proper union, but it is a um a parody of a kingdom, a mockery of a kingdom. That's the the world led by world jewelry in the flesh by the demons spiritually, and and the state of Israel is its manifestation, although it's always been going on, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:19

And then and then understanding how to understand the crisis in the church, and seeing that this this story has played out before, right? And and what we're seeing right now, especially, because you we hear the phrase synagogue of Satan, and one of the reasons that phrase that St. John uses that phrase is because Satan is the great accuser. And if you look to the early Christians, one of the things that the synagogue did was so in the Roman Empire, you had to worship Caesar, you had to offer a pinch of incense to Caesar unless you got this special, you know, uh dispensation from it. And the Jews had that dispensation, and the early Christians were considered a Jewish sect early on, so they were able to go and worship Christ on their, you know, in the early days, and the Jews would go and accuse them to the empire of not being Jews, and then that's how the persecution starts. And you're seeing something very similar to that now, where anybody that speaks on this topic, you're seeing other Catholics becoming accusers of any Catholic who who discusses this issue, and it's it's a good point, it's just laid out, right? You're and as soon as one of us talks about this topic, and not in a way that brings up hatred or animosity, but just really discussing it, you get other Catholics accusing us before before everybody and and putting labels on us. And the fear of that label of anti-Semitic has just paralyzed everyone, including the church.

SPEAKER_03 5:56

Yeah, it's sad for them, but we can all we've all mostly fully aware of how blind we've been on this subject ourselves a few years ago. 20 years ago, I was favorably disposed to Zionism. So it if I want to condemn these people now, I'm condemning myself as well. Yeah, and it's like, whoa, slow down. It's it's saints who have shown us the way. So let's um hope our fellow Catholics catch up and that can change the world. And you you asked what happened uh at the crucifixion after the resurrection, and you have our lady watching on Holy Saturday with certain hope that Jesus will rise and come to her. And when he came, the resurrected Jesus, he wasn't surprised in the least bit, of course. He wasn't like relieved that he rose from the tomb. He's divine, he knew all this. He's not like filled with a surge for vengeance against his enemies, just the calm majesty of God that says uh to Peter, saying, Peter, feed my sheep, and to the apostles go to the end of the world to preach and baptize, do everything I've commanded. That command gave them the strength to do it. Like Jesus said, This is what you're gonna do. They didn't argue with the risen Christ, they went and did it. So we we have this power from Christ that is has the calm majesty of God and cannot lose. And this example in our lady of complete trust. So no matter how much the enemy rages and that the kings gather together to conspire against God and his Christ, um nothing can separate us from the love of Christ, and not the hierarchy either. We don't depend on the hierarchy for our unions with God, we depend on them, let's say, for the greater glory of God, the external glory of God, to see him publicly worshipped across the face of the world and for the greater salvation of souls. But your own union with God doesn't depend on the hierarchy. And it when you realize that that we we can be with our lady, with St. John under the cross, with the women under the cross or near the cross, um, you don't have the hatred or anger towards your enemy, because you know they they can't touch you, they cannot touch your salvation.

Fear Of Labels And Silence

SPEAKER_01 8:19

Yeah, uh understanding the hierarchy has been an interesting one for me because I'm at I'm at a point now where I just I just especially okay, so it a lot of this goes to our conversations with you and and listening to your series on the Holocaust narrative because you you did a whole um you did an episode or two where you just went into showing how um how the Jews read the scriptures with a carnal understanding, and you showed how like they they take these old testament prophecies in what a twisted way. And you were talking about the Jews and the Christian Zionists of how they understand these prophecies and make them so carnal and all that, and it made me start looking at our own hierarchy and some of the things we've seen them do, and I'm like, they're doing the same thing, they're reading the scriptures with a carnal understanding, they're not there, they it's what happens when you don't have faith in Christ is you start to see things in an earth, they're trying to bring heaven to earth, they're trying, you know, it's and and you see it mapping out, and then when you see that 11 of the apostles ran from fear of the Jews when when we saw this whole incident with Carrie Pajan Bowler happen, and all of the all of the bishops scurried, and none of them would defend that position, and they're all it's out of fear of the Jews. And being in the traditional liturgy is very interesting because the readings are very important as you're coming up to this season. So uh two weeks ago, you read, or two or three weeks ago, you read that Jesus tells the apostles he's going to be handed over to the to the uh in Jerusalem, he's going to be handed over to the chief priest and he's going to be scourged and killed, and they don't understand it. Like he flat out tells them, and they don't understand it. And I see so many of us right now not understanding what's happening in the church. And I just was reflecting on that, and I'm like, no, it's the same thing. Like, we we won't understand it fully, and we have to have a bit of humility about how we think things are going to play out because God has his way of doing things and we don't know everything.

SPEAKER_03 10:36

The gospel for today, uh, it's the Saturday before Palm Sunday, is about Jesus riding into Jerusalem uh with the ass in the cult, which symbolizes the Jews and the Gentiles going to a cult which had never been written, is it Gentiles? And how the apostles remembered this after the resurrection and they didn't get it at the time. And it's the whole thing about them wanting an earthly kingdom, but Jesus happening to reteach them after the resurrection, he's teaching them the same things. He said, It's what I said to you, but they have a new understanding. So the whole you've said it many times, Jewish destruction of Amalek. We're now as Christians supposed to understand as eradicating sin in your soul. It has a spiritual meaning because the resurrection is so much more than the body, although it includes that natural level. So our Gaudium at Spers has this line about what must be eradicated. Now it doesn't sound like Vatican II, does it, to eradicate things? But they're not talking about sin in your soul, they're talking about any discrimination on the basis of sex, race, religion, whatever. That is the most pernicious Jewish lie that we can't discriminate. So I don't expect to have any civil authority in China or the Congo. It's an outrageous idea that I go into another country and expect to have some measure of sovereign power. So neither can foreigners come to our countries and have power because our descendants built our countries, sorry, our ancestors for their descendants. We have a responsibility to keep our identity that we've inherited so much. And if that's true on the natural level about political power, how much more for spiritual power? And the Jews are antichrist, synagogue of Satan. They should have no power or influence in Christian countries. I don't will with the synagogue, you know, the synagogue of Moses when they're going through the desert, that includes little children, right? They're part of the synagogue. The boys get circumcised on day eight, they're part of the synagogue, but they've not yet reached the age of reason. So you for and that the synagogue of Moses is something good. But the synagogue of Satan also includes many Jews who are unconscious of who they're serving, they're not aware, they've rejected Christ, rejected the truth, and they're like the children in the assembly of Satan, but they're still in that assembly. So when we call them the synagogue of Satan, and some people say not all Jews are bad, well, why why make try and make this judgment about who's good and who's bad? That's not the point. The point is they're antichrist, therefore, they shouldn't have power. And if we deny them power in our countries, that's not a punishment. People say, Oh, you can't have collective punishment. It's not a punishment, it's common sense and natural law that your enemies don't have power in your uh headquarters or your territory. Instead, we protect them. That's the Christian charity and kindness, but it's um it's not a punishment. It's and yet the Jews, through Gaudimet's pears and all ever think since the 60s have brainwashed the world into thinking you can't discriminate on any grounds. And our bishops have grown up in that world and kind of succeeded. They're either ambitious men or competent men, so they get into the hierarchy, and if ever they stepped out of line, they'd get weeded out, they'd never be promoted. So it's like a self-selection for those who go along with the Jew world.

SPEAKER_01 14:08

Yeah, I said, okay, so this is this is this is interesting because it was conversations with you and about the liturgy that because uh when I when I first get into the trad world, it's like there's this obsession with Vatican II, and it's like, okay, yeah, I'm seeing all these problems in Vatican II, but I feel like so many Catholics are missing something that this is so connected to to the Jewish question. Like it is it is this subversion that happens through the liturgy, through the council, all of it, and all of it has to do with the blurring of the teaching about the enmity between Jews and Christians that happens in this time, and it all is connected to the Holocaust, like it they needed that narrative to come to give to to like lull us into a sense of uh guilt and and you know shame for what happened, and it winds up that the entire you cannot separate the council from those events at World War II, and in that council, the they just completely like neuter the church at this time. And it's it's easy to look at what's happening in the church now and go, oh, that's not the true church. But I I see it as like Christ and his passion. If you are looking upon Christ as he's being scourged, if you're looking at Christ as he's on the cross, you're you're never going to think he's the Messiah, you're never going to think he's Christ. And I think it's very similar with the church right now. When you look at it, you're like, this can't be the church, but it is the church, and it's it's this influence that has happened by this by the synagogue over the church, this influence that it's had that's that's completely like I don't know, it's put it's put a spell over the hierarchy.

SPEAKER_03 16:01

Yeah, which is why Genesis 3, when you had Sam Shamoon on, is talking about the seed of the woman. So if you're born of Jesus in Mary and you have Mary's spirit, you can look at the crucifixion and know this is the Son of God. You can see the church crucified and know this is the bride of Christ being crucified, and it is the bride of Christ. But tradition wins to cleave to tradition means you're cleaving to the cross. To be at Holy Mass faithfully and to those mysteries is to be on Calvary with our lady, uh standing under the cross, and that's why we have Mass every day to prepare us for Sunday Mass every week, to prepare us for the Holy Week every year to prepare you for reality for heaven. So uh listen to Dr. Doug Haugen recently talking about the enemy trying to put a spectacle before us, everything fake and gruesome and depraved. And in a sense, from the enemy's point of view, the crucifixion was a spectacle. Like St. Paul says, we've been made a spectacle between four men and angels, you know. But it it if we're looking at with our ladies' eyes, it's a vision of God's love. That's the crucifixion. That's why Holy Week is so important, putting before our eyes this vision of God's love that He's willing to take on flesh and die for us to save us. So with tradition and the pre-55 rites, if if I may just say a few points, the gospel yesterday, which is the last gospel when you have Our Lady of Sorrows, is the Gospel of the Fariae. Um, but this changed after in the 62. You don't have these proper last gospels, it's talking about the Jews saying we we have to kill this man, otherwise the Romans will take our land and our place, our temple, right? And we know that that happened because they killed him, it completely backfired on them. Yeah, and that's also the gradual for the tomorrow, Palm Sunday, for the part of the mass before the mass, like that's sorry, it's like it's for the procession. That's gone from the Novusord. Even the last gospel for yesterday is gone from the 62. So with the pre-55, you're being constantly reminded about the Sanhedrin attacking Jesus because they don't want to lose these worldly things and to be the thing that's center of the world, and it completely backfires on them. And that's why one of the reasons we need the pre-55, it just soaks you in this truth. And if the seminarians and priests aren't getting this constantly, how are they gonna spot the enemy in the real world or in the world?

Reading Scripture With Spiritual Sense

SPEAKER_01 18:48

You know, it's it's it's interesting because so the in 55 is when you you see that influence already starting. It's like even in the 62 missile, the last missile of John the 23rd. So it's because I don't have a pre-55 missile, but even in the 62, when I was at mass on Passion Sunday last week, there's this whole preamble before before you get into the propers where it talks about how we should be reflecting on Jesus' passion this week and reflecting on the the the wrath of the Jews and how God is going to take the kingdom of heaven from them and give it to and give it to the baptized, right? There's nothing even it nothing even remotely close to that in the novus order though. And it it makes you really see how the liturgy does shape us and by by changing these because the man, it's like the the ritual is the the the mass is how you embody the faith, and if you're being conditioned to think these things aren't important, it's just going to have an effect on you at all times. So even to have the 62 last week, I'm I'm saying, like, oh man, I don't know. Should we just continuously be talking about this? And I go to mass, and it's like right in front of my face. Um I'm like, okay, God, I'll keep talking about it. Clearly, this is something you need us to be talking about.

SPEAKER_03 20:15

I know the JQ is becoming very boring to me. I I hate it to be honest now, and the Holocaust, I'm sick of it. And that it's that positive focus on Christ, Christ crucified, our lady with him, that is life and joy to think of that. But we I think the JQ is much if we just have simplicity about it. Christ is truth and life in the way. The JQ is the synagogue of Satan, it's that simple, and not trying to beat around the bush and try and qualify it. So on and one of the reasons I'm very glad to do this show with you before Holy Week is obviously to talk about the Good Friday prayer for the Jews and the not genuflecting. If I try and explain why that's in the pre-55, and also and it was the one of the earliest changes in 1951, Pius XII allowed that on Holy Saturday, when you have the 12 prophecies read out, it used to be the priest would always read all of them in their entirety silently at the altar or in a very low voice, while a lecture or sacred ministers would chant them for everyone to hear. So, why is the priest reading all these 12 prophecies and who do it every mass with the epistle and the gospel? The priest, the celebrant, always read them at the altar, even though no one could hear him. While in a solemn mass, you have the subdeacon and deacon chanting the epistle and the gospel for everyone to hear. It's obvious he's not doing it to instruct the faithful with what they hear. So you don't need a translation, you don't need the vernacular. He's talking to God at the altar. It is a sacrifice, the mass is one. You have to offer the word of God. To God before it can change and bless the whole world. Because they're saying they're reading the gospel for the living and the dead. And now when Pius XII allowed that the priests go and sit down instead, and you just have it being chanted for the people, you've broken that link with the sacrifice. And the next thing, you have non people not in holy orders or not minor orders, not even a lecture, coming giving the readings. And then it's all it has to be in the vernacular because we have to, it's an instruction to the people. And then the next thing, when you do that with the word, you'll do it with the Holy Eucharist, the word made flesh. So the priests and deacons are literally sitting down while women distribute Holy Communion. You see the progression. Yes. So we could if we unpick tradition, we have no idea the avalanche of catastrophe that's going to follow from that. And it's why we don't, we're not, I'm not saying this to condemn Pius XII. He's a holy pope, a wonderful pope. But when you have the whole horde of hell trying to subvert you, perhaps through Cardinal Beyer, um and and the Masons, then you can slip. You're under all this pressure. Um, and it's up to us to see how that slip has brought chaos to the world. And okay, let's stand with tradition with the pre-55, do it, just do it. And and people say, Oh, I can't find a pre-55, I can't find a traditional mass. Please do not genuflect for the Jews in the Good Friday prayer. And if you're at Nova Sordo, do not cry out, crucify him on Palm Sunday or Good Friday. Don't do it. This emerged from the faithful a thousand years ago. The faithful decided they didn't want to genuflect for the Jews in this prayer because they didn't want any association with Jewish mockery of Christ, who had got the Roman soldiers to do this to Jesus with the Ave King of the Jews. Why did the people turn against the Jews a thousand years ago and say we're not genuflecting in that prayer? And and given that the hierarchy started to say, Yeah, you're right, in our diocese, then we're not going to genuflect for the Jews. And then Rome said, Yeah, good idea. This is now a universal rubric for the whole church. Do not genuflect for the Jews in the Good Friday prayer. Why? Because they knew the Jews were mocking Christians and mocking our Lord still, especially in Passion Week and Solemn Days, in the public in the street, dressing gaudily and kidnapping boys to crucify them in Holy Week. They still have this hatred of Jesus, hatred demonic. And please nobody say it's not all the Jews. All the Jews reject Jesus. That's the definition. Unless they become Christian, unless they're baptized. So we want no part of that. Again, uh, Doug Harrigan was saying disentangle yourself from the anything Jewish culturally, politically, economically, have nothing to do with it. Because it's evil, it's the rejection of Jesus, the life of the world. So on Good Friday, after the long meeting of the Passion, you have these nine intercessions for the whole world. And traditionally, we genuflect in each one between the bidding and the collect. And if you don't know this and you don't know what happens, that's just assigned. Get a missile, buy a missile, read it, become familiar, be aware. And in the prayer for the Jews, don't genuflect. That's what the faithful did 700 to a thousand years ago, and nobody told them they're being disobedient. The hierarchy realized this is right and good and sensible. We need to understand how evil the Jewish mockery of Jesus is, and it continues. And so people say, now you it's it's disobedient. I have to do it. If the deacon says flectamus genua, bend the knee, I have to do it. But that's not how the church works. You put God first and not a false obedience to the hierarchy. You have a spiritual sensibility, and the hierarchy will approve it. It doesn't invert the order of hierarchy and obedience. The hierarchy is supposed to look to the faithful and see and discern the movement of the Holy Spirit in the faithful. So if the hierarchy were honest now, they would see the growth of tradition and people want tradition, and they would not obstruct it. They don't even have to do much yet, just stop obstructing it. Yeah, and it will it will grow back. And we we can now fight for everything, fight against the evil genocide in Gaza and this crazy bombing of Iran, bombing of schoolgirls, which if we come back to it, I'll say is I'm sure deliberate. It was one of the first strikes that day. A target picked to kill these schoolgirls, the children of the Supreme Guard or whatever. And um, it's on Good Friday that you can reject all that and say, no matter what, I'm not bowing to these for these people.

SPEAKER_01 27:04

Yeah, the the idea that we would join in at the Novus Oro and shout crucify him always unnerved me. But now when I see it, I'm just because you you hear people talk about all this. It's like, yes, Jesus did die for our sins, but there's a very big difference in Jesus dying for our sins and taking part in the crucifixion. There's a very big difference, and then for you to shout out crucify him is such a twisted thing that we've been that we've been told to do. And uh it it's also I I remember you getting into an argument with um Mario from Novus Auto Watch about this because there's this issue is deeper than just oh, at the council of Freemason got became like it's way deeper than that. It goes back to this pressure from from the from the Jews earlier on, and these slight little changes that start happening in the 50s after the war, and they eventually it's like you could see it's a slippery slope that they got on, and they and they start changing one thing, and then once you see one thing can be changed, then they start pushing for another thing, and it eventually ends up where you have girls in the sanctuary and the lady screaming out, crucify him. It was it's way more complicated than just oh, something happened at the council and that's it. No, this pressure has been it's it's a part of the story of salvation and what happens to to the church through this story.

The Case For Pre-1955 Holy Week

SPEAKER_03 28:34

And uh yeah, watching that that disagreement between you guys was interesting because it is like the realization that our sins crucified Christ means that we will express our contrition in the penitential rites in mass in confession, but we never ever ever want any part in saying we have no king but Caesar, crucify him, and to have people do that in the liturgy, it is a spiritual reality. What we do in the liturgy forms the world. We're forming ourselves to think that there's a time and a place to do that. There is in a passion play or a movie, but that's not the liturgy, that doesn't have the spiritual force, so it's really the the deceit of the cunning serpent to suck us in to the last thing we want to do. Um, and with some of the set of accountists, it's because they have, I think, this erroneous idea that if a Pope makes a mistake, then it can't be Pope. That's to put it simplistically, and not all SETI's uh are that dumb. Like uh Matthew McCusk and Sean Wright of the WWM Review are brilliant, very logical, calm, charitable. There's families in America know SETI's for generations almost, and that they are not like these crazy news SETIs who are condemning and writing off everyone who doesn't agree with them. But because they think a pope who makes a mistake isn't a pope, they have to say, well, a true pope, Pastor 12, couldn't make any mistake. And so they accept the changes for the Holy Week liturgy. What we can say is none of the changes are harmful to the faith. That's true, but he introduces a principle that one you can start changing a liturgy that's more than a thousand years old, even 1700 years old in parts or longer, and two, you do this for the Jews, yeah. As a concession, yeah, to please them, to please the enemies of Christ.

SPEAKER_01 30:31

Yeah, it's because there's something so unique about Jews in uh against other religions, like versus other religions, like it's inherently anti-Christ. It's not like um it's not like other religions who were formed outside of this story who just happened to come. Like the the Jews are such a part of this story. And if you even just go back and read scripture, the entire story is about their rebellion from God, and the entire New Testament is Jesus confronting the synagogue, like the entire New Testament.

SPEAKER_03 31:08

If I may, the the the positive always comes first, being and not non-being doesn't count. So we have like the good of creation and Adam and Eve before the fall. We have men like Noah who were righteous and built an altar for sacrifice after saving all flesh, as it were. Um, we have Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob and Joseph, awesome. King David, wonderful. So all these positive figures, Moses, who's the most Christ-like man in the Old Testament, it's positive. But in all that story, yes, there is the negative, the rebellion, the attack against them, and their imperfections, which show that none of them is the Messiah, none of them is the Christ. So the positive is there, but you can't get away on any page of the Bible from Christ and secondarily the rejection of him. And so Buddhists and Hindus, for example, their religions arose before the incarnation, they're kind of neutral to Christ. I mean, they don't accept him, they're false, but they're not there to attack him. Islam it is theologically disastrous being against the trin holy trinity and the incarnation, but they speak respectfully about Jesus.

SPEAKER_01 32:23

Yeah, they'll even say Christ is king.

SPEAKER_03 32:26

Yeah, the Jews are the ones who resent him, hate him, are jealous of him, want and some of them who lead their culture want to destroy him over and over and over. Um, and if the if the church doesn't um wake up, yeah, remember that because she used to know it. We need to love our our ancestors, right? And the those who passed the faith on to it, our fathers in faith, and and not write them off as dangerous, hateful anti-Semites, and that's why they had the liturgy this way or the teaching this way. No, they're concerned, like St. John Chrysostom talking about the Judaizing disease. It's a disease that will kill you if you allow it into the church.

SPEAKER_01 33:17

Yeah, yeah, and to even even to um sympathize with their cause will destroy you. Yeah, to that and that's what St. John Chrysostom talks about. Like if you even sympathize with their cause, it will it will lead to the destruction of your soul because you won't you won't recognize that enmity that needs to be there and that we need to always be on guard for. A big part of this for me was seeing in the old testament that the patriarchs and prophets of the old testament did not see God as one, the way modern Jews see God as one. They saw God as a plurality. So, like every time you see the word of the Lord came to a prophet, that's Christ coming to the prophet. And the prophet understands that God is a plurality. So this idea that um like we worship the same God as Jews and Muslims is such a perverse idea because if you go to Christ in John chapter 8, Jesus is telling you straight out, no, your father is not Abraham. If Abraham was your father, you would love me, like Abraham loved me. Your father is the devil, and it's like this idea, yeah. All right, so if you want to get into some aspect, they believe in one God, but they don't worship the same God as us by any stretch.

SPEAKER_03 34:30

When you say a plurality, you mean the blessed trinity, right?

SPEAKER_01 34:33

The trinity, correct. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:34

Like the prophets see this obscurely, they maybe they don't understand the relations Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Correct, yeah. They understand, like Abraham and Isaiah, especially, that there is three in the one God, in the union of God. They they were never polytheists, but they understand that the one God, yes. Saint Thomas explains that especially about Abraham and Isaiah, they had this insight into the Trinity, which was almost too difficult to articulate. But Our Lady, I think, was the first to hear their names from the angel Gabriel to understand about Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit. Um so, yes, what the Jews by rejecting the Son of God, they don't know the Father, they're close to the Holy Ghost, so they have no connection with God, no relation to God, except as creatures, um, and therefore they cannot, if you're not baptized anyway, you can't worship God if you're not baptized. Yeah, there is the thing of natural religion of recognizing this a creator, um, but then we get into a what does worship mean?

SPEAKER_01 35:52

And if you want life gives worship, there's the there's a recognition of there being a creator, but then there's the obstacle of because you see this in throughout Protestantism, where people will even recognize Jesus as the son of God, but they create their own version of Jesus, right? Like they they they make a Jesus in their own image that's comfortable with pretty much anything they do in their lifestyle because they don't want to conform to Christ. But there's there like understanding that those patriarchs and prophets, when when the word of the Lord comes to them, that that's the logos coming to them, it's like for me, it was because I'd always heard like um uh that that they that they didn't understand that God was a trinity in the in the old covenant, they had no idea, but they but they did, and maybe they didn't right, like you said, like they couldn't articulate it the way we articulate the trinity, but there was something about those patriarchs that they recognized implicitly that oh wow, God is yeah, God is one, but there's there's a there's something to this. So so when when you start seeing even Saint John talking about he who doesn't recognize the son is antichrist, because you if you don't have the son, you don't have the father, it it it it makes it so much clearer what Jesus is doing when he's arguing with those Pharisees and he's telling them no, your father is the devil, because they are spiritual sons of Cain, they really do hate God. This isn't this isn't an offensive thing to say, it's like they hate him so much they kill him because everything Jesus is telling them, he is he is love incarnate, and he's telling them about love, and that makes them so angry that they kill their creator. I mean, and every single parable Jesus is telling has to do with this, pretty much. It's it's almost everyone from the prodigal son to the the talents to I mean, every single one has to do with this idea that the kingdom of God will be taken, the vineyard, especially, like the kingdom, the vineyard will be taken from you and given to other people, and the kingdom of God will be taken from you, and it's because of their rejection of the sun. So when you have when you have an entire uh because it's it's it's hard to like even say what a Jew is because there's some that are non-religious, but it doesn't matter, it's it's set up inherently anti-Christ, and it's unlike any other religion out there, yeah.

Liturgy As Training For Reality

SPEAKER_03 38:22

And it's the reason it's all there in the scriptures as well is because it's it's coming to us as well. God calls us, and the devil is trying to snare us through the same story. So if we if we can go back to that bombing of the school in Tehran, where over 160 children and some of their parents and some of the teachers were killed. Now that was a couple of hours after the strike on Ali Khamenei. So it's a high priority target. They've had all this time to plan, you know, between months since the 12-day war, 40 years, to pick out targets and plan. And within two hours of striking the Supreme Leader, they strike this school. They certainly knew what was there, the Jews, either in America or the Pennsylvania or Israel feeding in coordinates for targets. Um, because if it were an accident, then you wouldn't just have Trump dismiss that when it was question put to him and Pete Heggseth. There would be proper outrage and and sorrow. Like we've since World War II and the carpet bombing of German civilians, and then the blitz in retaliation after months of delay on part of the Germans. We Christians have lost the plot if we think it's ever okay to bomb civilians. It is not, it's outrageous. When that school was bombed, there's Catholics saying, Oh, it didn't happen, it's fake. And then they're saying Iran probably did it. Now you've become so Judaized and twisted in your understanding of reality. If you think the Iranians would do that to their own children for a publicity stunt, the Jews have turned your mind monstrous. That's outrageous, and you become complicit. I have to say, you become complicit in the killing of children and civilians, of women, and doctors and first responders. If you approve what the Jews have called Israel and the US and the UK into doing in these theatres of war, you have to answer to God for that. It is in itself a grave sin for which you go, it's a mortal sin, deserving of hell. Your only excuse is that you you didn't realize you've been sucked in. And God will ask you, Why are you ignorant? Why didn't you pay attention to my son? Why do you think it's okay to kill schoolgirls? Well, why? Why hasn't the war stopped until we find out how that happened? And you'll find some Jew fed the coordinates in to some American who pressed the button. It should be over with us and the Jews. Like never again, or you have to add those souls of those girls belong to God. And we we've been brainwashed for a hundred years into thinking, oh, well, they're Muslims, or they're far away, they're from a distant country. Or have you not heard the terrible things the Iranian regime has done? If you talk, say Hamas are terrorists, or Hezbollah are terrorists, or the Houthis, and Iran is sponsoring them. These groups aren't terrorists, they're fighting against the most evil force the world has ever seen, state of Israel.

SPEAKER_01 41:45

Um part of what they've done, part of what they've done, and I and I see this as like uh as the church goes, so goes the world. Once the church puts out that document on religious liberty, it gave permission. It was like the the it need the church needed to put that document out, and then all of a sudden the western world opens its opens its borders to Islam and all these other countries. So they so they allow Muslims to pour into your Western nation, which was formerly Christendom, right? Like these are formerly Christian nations have now allowed with open arms the outsiders to come in. They and they convince all of the Christians that no, we should, you should all people are children of God, which is absurd. It's really only the baptized are children of God. But no, all people are children of God, and they all deserve the same uh respect because yes, they are created in God's image and likeness, and they do have like dignity, but to to welcome them in, and then once they're in, now they put this propaganda out to rile up hatred between those two groups. And it's it's designed to rip our nations apart and to put us at at war with our own citizenry because it was a plan from the beginning, it was never about votes or any or some liberal agenda, it was always about ripping us apart from our own foundation by allowing foreigners in, then brewing up hatred amongst those people, and now we'll go to war with each other, and they can just sit back and go, Yeah, let them let them.

SPEAKER_03 43:13

Yeah, so as someone who thinks they're not Judaized, they think they're not influenced by the synagogue of Satan, but they approve these wars, they've lost it spiritually, they need to recover. And that um idea of no discrimination on race, sex, or religion or whatever that's coming to Vatican II, it it was always began as because the Jews knew they would never have a chance if they said, Surely just emancipate us after they okay, they got emancipated. Just that we should be on an equal footing with Christianity or with Catholicism, people would laugh at them. Yeah, so what they've done is said, Yeah, all religions you have to respect in this false way, as if they have truth of. themselves and that's only so to give out a pass to the Jews and to give them cover so that they can subvert everything politically, which they've which they've done. The the US and Europe just belong to Jewish.

SPEAKER_01 44:15

Yeah, I I kind of see it as the church without like the hierarchy without even understanding what they're doing. The Great Commission is over and the time of the Gentiles has been fulfilled. And if you go into Luke, Luke actually says Israel will be trodden underfoot by the Gentiles until the time of the Gentiles has been fulfilled. So now you have this gathering back of these people into this land. They mockingly call it Israel. It's kind of absurd. Um, and it's basically that the time of the Gentiles has been fulfilled, and the church now, instead of going out on this great commission, are bringing these other religions in. We're not we're no longer converting the pagans, we're welcoming the pagans in and putting their idols on our altars and going, oh, you guys are the same as us. And it's a really twisted thing that's happening.

SPEAKER_03 45:04

I think it's there's a logic uh in that it followed from the great fruit and success of the church up to the 20th century. That she she's obviously the most coherent, wonderful, fruitful body on earth, the church, and that led to a kind of complacency and arrogance where you think that it's now for you to decide, the church, that you're going to bring all religions to the table, and so even like at Assisi, you have John Paul II standing in the center, so there's a small signal that the church is at the center of things, yeah. But what the hell is he doing with all the religions of the world? Why is is Leo apparently sent a message to this lesbian archbishop?

SPEAKER_01 45:55

Yeah, not even a praise, the lesbian girl altar boy of the Anglican church.

SPEAKER_03 46:01

Yeah, so we we ought we ought to have the same message that these false religions cannot save. Yeah, and you can have as much pity for them and charity towards them as you like, but the idea of uh saying now now we will bring all religions together, that you've rejected the commission Jesus gave the church and appointed your own commission, which actually the devil has whispered into the ears of the bishops through the synagogue of Satan. Yeah. Just to give them cover.

SPEAKER_01 46:33

What um what do you what do you think where do you think your work will lead you next? Because you said like this, like you're so sick of this topic, because it does get like I I felt it was important to talk about this stuff in the lead up to Holy Week, and I think we'll probably continue to do this in the lead up, like during Lent, especially. I think it's a good thing to focus on during Lent and to really understand. But do you do you where do you see your work leading you next? What are you are you starting to study like new new topics?

War Propaganda And Moral Limits

SPEAKER_03 47:00

Are you thinking about when I left the fraternity? Um that I'm I'm suspended until the hierarchy will acknowledge that priests should not be obstructed from offering the pre-55 Holy Week. When the Rome or the Pope or the hierarchy acknowledge that, I'd obviously be great if they said all priests should say it, but it's it in realism, it's enough for me if they say no priests should be obstructed from it. Yeah, then I feel I'm obligated to go back to try and get the suspension lifted, however. But I think that might take another 10 years. So I'm trying to prepare myself spiritually for a long time of exile or solitary confinement. I do want to finish another book this year on the Jewish question, but this one looking at the New Testament, all my books have really been showing how the Old Testament is understood in the light of Christ. This is how simple the New Testament is, what it shows us about the Jews, how simple it all is. And we they complicate it, they stir it up, and our hierarchy have made it complicated, it's not complicated. So, like with Holy Week, yeah, keep talking about it. I talk about the Jews, but it's just most important to understand the institution of the Holy Eucharist, the crucifixion of our Lord, and his resurrection. That's what Holy Week's about. That's what all history is about. We we have to be much more for the real, for being, for the positive, for Christ, for God, and let the discussion of the enemies always be secondary. It must never be primary. Even when you're in the midst of the fight, the battle, the only way to win that is like Our Lady, by standing under the cross with certain hope, by watching through Holy Saturday with certain hope. Um, because the victory is won. And then, yeah, you we don't have this uh consuming hatred or fear.

SPEAKER_01 49:06

Yeah, yeah, the fear is important because I I remember being so afraid to discuss this stuff early on, and you privately had had like said to me, Anthony, just don't be afraid, just you know, whatever, don't be afraid. And then and it's funny, like a week later, I had a conversation with E. Michael Jones behind the scenes, and he said the same exact thing. He was like, just don't, he's like, Fear is of the enemy, don't be afraid, just just speak, you know. And like like I I had mentioned to you that like I was worried that our channel would get too big, and I don't want I don't want it to get too big. And you were just like, just let God do what God's going to do with it, just keep you know, speaking the truth and have no fear. And it was it was an important thing for me to hear because I was afraid to just discuss these things for a long time. Um, and then also uh the just to bring it back to uh Doc uh Doug Haugen, the the this thing that we're going into now, he he's he's kind of putting forth that we're going into a transition of empire right now, and what's coming is this transition into Pax Judaica, and everything in this is about deceit and spectacle and and like twisting things. So even when you go to something like the bombing of that school, the propaganda you're receiving is given to you by the people doing the thing, right? So everything is about not understanding reality for what it is. And I had I had gone down to this uh conference down in Florida a couple months back, and there was a uh woman who spoke to me. I think it was um he was she was the sister of uh do you remember the the journalist? I forgot his first name, Newman. His last name was Newman. He wound up going to Africa.

SPEAKER_03 50:50

I'm listening by the way. I was gonna close the door, but I'm listening to you.

SPEAKER_01 50:55

Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. So uh yeah, so his uh the what was his name, Rob? I didn't know.

SPEAKER_00 51:02

Um I know you're the one he he died a couple years ago in in Africa, right?

SPEAKER_01 51:08

Yeah, it was like uh New Meyer. Yeah, George Newmeyer.

SPEAKER_03 51:15

George Newmeer, right?

SPEAKER_01 51:18

Yeah, he he so he he he his sister I had met down in Florida, and she pulled me aside and she goes, uh, she goes, I I just had this pressing feeling that the only truth we'll be able to get is going to be from sacred scripture. And it kind of went over my head in the moment. And the more I've been reflecting on it, the more it's really like uh had an impact on me where everything we're seeing around us is fake. I mean, I don't you get you're being fed an algorithm of you don't know what's real, you have no idea, and the only thing we're going to be able to really trust in is going to be the word of God. Because it's the only reality that actually exists. Everything else, everywhere you look, you've been formed by their textbooks, you've been formed by their by their everything. But if you just go to sacred scriptures, the word of God is going to be the only reality and truth that and and the sacraments, right? And the sacraments, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 52:18

Right, because that's reality, the holy Eucharist, baptism, confirmation, holy orders, marriage. These are realities in you. Yeah. The absolution with confession or with the last rites. That they we yes, the word of God, so holy scripture and tradition or sacraments. Yeah, this is where you have truth, this is where you have life, it's where you have light. So, do you know Chris Hedges used to be New York Times journalist? He just gave a talk at Princeton University a couple of days ago, and he said that the old order is yeah, it's breaking apart now. It's now that if you're powerful, there are no rules. If you're weak, the rule is bow down to the powerful or get destroyed. It was a really wonderful talk, 25 minutes. He believes the Holocaust happened, but he's saying how all these Holocaust memorial bodies and museums and everything that get money and funding to say remember the Holocaust, virtually none of them are protesting the Gaza genocide. None of them care about life, about people. They only care about pushing this narrative, which I believe is false anyway. Um, and it's it's becoming obvious now with with the slaughter of tens of thousands of children in Gaza, and they won't even pipe up. And the whole raisin d'etra was supposed to be never again to genesis. Never again, yeah. But that's they don't mean that. It never has been about that, never has.

SPEAKER_01 53:50

Um yeah, it's we we've been shaped so much by this, and it it was never going to be a powerful enough narrative to build anything lasting, anyway, because it's if it's something that's built on a bed of lies, you know, it's never it was never going to. So you're seeing it crumble, right? And especially the younger generation, the younger generation is like this thing happened so far, we don't care about it.

SPEAKER_03 54:12

Yeah, John Paul II said outside Auschwitz-Birkenau in 1979 in a homily, he said, in this place of terrible slaughter where four million people were killed. He said that twice in his homily, four million people in Auschwitz. Now that's just impossible. Even nowadays, the museum said it was about one million. Yeah, in fact, it's probably one and 150,000 tops. Probably. But why doesn't the church acknowledge that was a mistake? Because that's a terrible slander of the Germans to say that four million people were killed there. He also got it wrong about Teresa Benedict of the Cross and Maximilian Colby. Nobody knows what day Teresa Benedict of the Cross died on. Nobody, and nobody knows how she died, and yet John Paul II was saying she died in a gas chamber. How can he say something, such an awful accusation, for which there's not a shred of evidence, no testimony, no forensic evidence, no documentary evidence? How can a Pope even say that? And the church thinks she can just move on. Yeah, it's such an evil accusation. So even for the people out there who believe the Holocaust, you if you love the truth before everything, even more than your image of John Paul II, you can love him, you can hope he's in heaven, but that is a stain on the church where the Pope has been subverted to give Jewish lies to crush the world, which are obviously not lies now. As if you listen to the Chris Hedges talk, like I don't agree with him that I don't think the Holocaust didn't happen, but it he has some wonderful insight in standing up to how this has subverted Western nations and how it is now coming out that international law I'd say has always been a joke. He says the United Nations and the League of Nations just become a fig leaf. They were always a fig leaf for Jewish legalistic arguments and control. And that it's since they have so much power now, it's only going to accelerate because they use their power to shut up anyone who criticizes them or disagrees. It does become a bit, you are totally marginalized. So they will only accelerate in their evil, which is God's mercy to us. That hey, if you haven't woken up and got it yet, it's gonna get a whole deal easier in the next 10 years because it's gonna get so dark, yeah, that the contrast with the light of Christ, with the gospel, with the sacraments should be evident.

SPEAKER_01 56:57

You well, I think like a part of what we're seeing in the in the world right now is an absolute absolutely a mercy of God, right? It's it's uh the the more nuts they get, the more people wake up because it it's so blatant and out in the open now. Where I do think they they did a pretty good job of masking it, like you said, like 20 like 10, 20 years ago.

SPEAKER_03 57:19

You no, they're retards, they're evil retards, they didn't mask it, they just didn't have enough power.

SPEAKER_01 57:27

Oh, that's oh, yeah. So so the second they got enough power, they just couldn't help themselves.

Scripture And Sacraments As Ground Truth

SPEAKER_03 57:32

Yeah, they said we will not kill Christ on the feast day, right? Because there'll be a tumult among the people. That so they knew that they shouldn't do it at the Passover. And as soon as Judas comes to them and says, Let's make a deal, they go for it and they crucify them the next day. They couldn't stop themselves, and they did it on the very day that fulfilled everything God had ever said. They're evil, they can't stop themselves. It's only been the church which has restrained them, and by people's love of God, love of tradition, love of the fathers in our faith and our our natural fathers, our ancestors, right? That we trust them, that we don't say our ancestors were evil, haters, anti-Semites, so we have to be different. No, no, no. Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 58:20

No, no, no, no. Finish your statement. Yeah, like it's not it's not, it's not that that accepting that as like our ancestors were evil thing is so.

SPEAKER_03 58:30

That's the Jewish hatred of the father, of God, the father, and all them weird Hollywood films where there's a problem between the kids and the parents, and they got all this weird stuff going on about eating your father, they are deranged. That's Satan. Yeah, and so why they want to split us off in our I mean our national identity, and why you you might got to hate whiteness if you're white. Because they that that's the way God has made us to transmit life and culture.

SPEAKER_01 59:01

Um and so let anyway, no, it's it really, man. We live in such wild times where I you like some of these conversations we're having, you never would have dreamed would have been have would have been had a couple of years back, but things are getting so blatant and thrown in our faces that it's allowed us to start to talk about these things. And yeah, they still throw those accusations of anti-Semite out, but it does doesn't have the same sticking power that it used to have, uh, especially people that are having the conversation in a in a in a reasonable way, and they're you know, I mean, they're trying to do it to anybody who talks about it, but um like understanding worldwide jewelry and and seeing like the reason we should have never let these people take positions of power is because once they get power, the things they do are so crazy and obscene. They they they it's not just the financial markets and the and the the filth that they put in through entertainment, it's like every facet that they get access to, they just can't help but put something into that that is just so blatantly anti-christ anti-Christian. That it's just on the surface so bad at this point that I think it's even been something I've been able to talk to about the older generation who was given that original propaganda. You're starting to see boomers start to wake up to this, which I never thought would happen.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:29

Yeah, I hate now the Jew world. I hate it when you hear blasphemy online or in a movie. I'm much better now, switch off straight away. Why is that even happening? Why is that possible? Why do we allow people to blaspheme in front of us and we keep consuming their evil? And even like you hear people complaining about adverts on YouTube, um that that's just the Jewish money lost coming into everything or private equity, they'll buy up a whole bunch of veterinary um businesses and try to streamline them all, but and then double the prices, and it's just about making money. So if life is becoming tiresome and people are exhausted with all the paperwork they have to do, um, and they just feel they're being robbed left, right, and center, that's this is because the the banks are beginning to control everything, they turn schools into a business, hospitals into a business. A hospital, it's a place for them to make money. A school is not somewhere where you go for your children to get educated and learn truth, it's for the Jews to make money, and that involves brainwashing people.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:41

I mean, hospitals were a Catholic convention. They were created, they're they were created to give hospitality to to poor pilgrims on their way to Jerusalem.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:50

Yeah, and so were schools as widespread. I mean, the school the Romans had schools, but it was Saint Alquin in under Charlemagne who had this idea of universal schooling, which they attempted to do, and universities.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:04

Yeah, if we if we had just even understood that like allowing them to take over education alone, that I think that was probably the most dangerous thing we ever did. Because if you just taught children the story of Christianity, like how it spreads and and and God's spirit covers the earth and destroys the pagan gods, if you just taught them that story alone, and and they would never have forgotten their identity, right? Like it's such an important part of our identity, is that the world was pagan and ruled by foreign gods, and Christ comes and he converts to pagans, and when he's lifted up on the cross, the whole world is gathered into him. Like, if kids from a young age were just taught their history of what Christ did on earth, the kingdom of heaven spreading, that alone, like they know they don't take they it it's it's infuriating us, it's made us forget who we are.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:57

It shouldn't be surprising that one of the biggest textbook publishers for schools was owned by Epstein's father-in-law. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:05

McGraw Hill was it? Yeah. The um it's it's the the truth, though, is so powerful, cannot lose. Someone told me recently a local priest here, he's taking the school kids in to see the relics and telling them about the martyrs, like the English martyrs, and some of it's quite gruesome. And uh someone was worried that you can't be telling this to seven-year-olds, eight-year-olds. Of course, they love it, they absolutely love it, and they can relate to it. When you hear about the martyrs as a seven-year-old, it will form your whole life. You realize there's something worth dying for, something great, something invisible. Yeah, not just king and country or whatever, or your patch or your farm, which there's a time and a place for for defending that, but the highest ideal. Um and kids can take this in. And if yeah, if the kids get the faith, um they can so easily come back to it even 60 years later, even on their deathbed.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:10

I I remember we're gonna win. I remember as a kid, I think eight years old, being trained to be an altar server. And um the our priest doing the training, um, one of the first things he did was sit us down and teach us all about the story of Saint Tarcissius, who is the the patron of Altar Servers, and he was a you know, a young boy martyred um for protecting the Eucharist. And to this day, he's he's he's one of my favorite saints. And you know, I I think all of us boys who who heard that story that day as eight-year-olds, I I think to this day probably still remember it pretty vividly. So it's it's something I I try to do with my boys, especially.

Forming Children With Saints And Sin

SPEAKER_01 1:04:52

I mean, you you think to our lady showing Jacinta and uh for instance, like at eight years old, showing them a vision of hell, right? So it's they they've conditioned us to think our children can't handle this stuff, and then you don't tell them about the reality of mortal sin, you don't tell them about the reality of hell. You no, no, no, don't worry, God's all loving, God's all loving. There's nothing of God's justice being taught to our children, and that lessens that it weakens their conscience, and then they'll dip their feet into mortal sin when they're young. And once you do that, you just desensitize yourself, and sin works like that. It darkens the intellect at that point. This is the this is why so many people like you even all the Catholics who were cradle Catholics now consider themselves reverts because they had a a period of time where they leave the sacraments in the faith because they were conditioned from a young age to think nothing of mortal sin, to think that Catholicism is just one religion amongst men. Even the even the idea that you're in this uh multicultural democracy and you're sending your kids to public school, and now they're around kids who are Protestant, they're around kids who are Muslim, it it Takes away that unified culture of being your children being around other Catholics, and all of a sudden it makes them start questioning well, well, if I was raised in a Muslim family, I wouldn't know about Jesus. So how can we be claim to be the one true faith when they think they're the one true faith? It it it disintegrates the support system that should be around all of our kids. And I think the Novus Ordo conditioned all of us for all of this. The council conditioned all of us for all of this. And nearly every Catholic adult that I know had this period where they left the faith and now they may take it seriously because they because they had this reversion and the reality of sin is revealed to them by God, and they all of a sudden now they're on fire. It's if you if you take away those teachings from children, you're robbing them of uh and it goes to this this whole this whole testimony culture that you see in Protestantism right now that we've been talking about too, where it's every Protestant has to tell you about how debauched their life was before they come back to Christ. And I'm I'm worried what that does to the younger children who are raised in a in a Catholic home and they don't have to go and have this crazy lifestyle before they have their reversion to Christ, but they're just raised in a stable place where Christ is always a part of it. They never have that huge mountaintop experience where they, you know, are saved or something like that. And with that whole thing that went down, Matt Walsh brought something up about uh how parents have an obligation to not tell their kids some of that stuff because I remember my like growing up, my father had told me fight stories. All he would do is tell me his fight stories, and I couldn't wait to get in my first fight, thinking it would impress my father because he had told me about all these fights he got into, and I was like, I couldn't wait to get in my first fight, and I got in a fight, and I came home and I'm like, Dad, I got in a fight, and he punished me. And it was like just this weird, twisted thing. I was like, wait a minute, like I thought this is what you wanted from me, your son to be tough, and to and and it was like there's something to guarding what you what your mistakes were from your children because you don't want them to idolize that stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:10

So again, on Calvary, if you think of um Our Lady and Saint Mary Magdalene or Saint John and the good thief, all of them are saved, but our lady is immaculate, always pure, and she's greater than Mary Magdalene, who's such a great saint, her sins cause such a profound repentance. Um, or Jesus' grace provides a repentance, but Mary's better because she was pure, and then Saint John the Apostle, the virgin, pure all his life. He's a greater saint than the good thief, although the good thief is also saved. So, not for a second is anyone saying you can't repent your sins and be sanctified by God and come to heaven, but it the greater is the one that didn't fall.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:00

Yeah, and and and there's something too not sensational. I like because uh look, I have a really uh there's there's things from my past that I always worry about telling because I don't want to sound like I'm like glorying in my past sins, you know, because there's a there's a danger in that. Yes, God saved me, but if you're reminiscing about the the debauched things you were doing before, there's a danger in that you start to brag about those things, and yeah, it's good it's good to acknowledge that one had was far from God or or living badly.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:33

Um but the details, yeah, be very careful about when and where you share that. Yeah, um, it's nothing to do with trying to deny that it happened, it's but like St. Paul said as well, there's sins we don't want to even mention, you don't want him to say the name of certain things.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:48

Um yeah, oh man, I I've been reading St. Paul in such a different light lately. Like when I go through when I go through reading St. Paul, I just think of him being that former Pharisee who went from having uh such an aversion to the to Christians to then being like as he's as he's writing these epistles, his heart is just on fire because he's getting revelation upon revelation. And he's like, I don't, he just wants all of us to have a heart and a mind that's uh that's receiving these revelations from God as well. It's really uh during during this last week of Lent to go back and read the epistles of Paul is is something uh you know everybody should do with that with that in mind, like as he's writing, his heart is on fire and he's being lifted up to heaven as he's writing them. Um, do we want to do a quick question and answer from the uh audience before we before we let Father go? You guys have any questions?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:50

If if I if anyone has a question about the Good Friday prayer for the Jews, I'll be very happy to answer that because I talk about it and then people are still wondering what I'm on about.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:02

So yeah, well, actually, let's get into that. Like, at what point, even in if even if you all right, so if you can't get to a pre-55, if you're at a regular traditional liturgy on Good Friday, like what is it, what it when is the part where we should not be genuflecting?

Good Friday Rubrics And Palm Sunday

SPEAKER_03 1:11:17

So after the long reading of St. John's Gospel, the Passion on Good Friday, you then have the nine great intercessions for the church and the pope and for all the hierarchy within the church, all the different orders, and and it the last three are for schismatics and heretics, for the Jews and for the heathen or pagan. So that everyone in the world is prayed for on Good Friday. It's wonderful. And then by naming the truth about these different groups, the church is communicating with God. So we call the Jews the perfidious Jews, and in that eighth intercession, although it could be the numbers change in 62 or novice or doubt, depending on the rest of the amper, or whatever, you don't make the genuflection. So even if you're at a 62 mass and the deacon or the priest says flectamus genua, bend the knee, shown. Just stay still for the prayer for the Jews. And if you don't know which one is the prayer for the Jews, again, that's a sign. You should have a missile, study these things. If you get it wrong this year, don't worry, get it right next year or the year after. God gives us a lifetime to learn the liturgy. If you're at a noviceordo, some of them make genuflections for all the prayers, some of them don't make any genuflections, I've no idea what they do. Just don't genuflect in the prayer for the Jews, and don't let anyone tell you it's disobedience. Because this is how this custom came about and became a universal rubric by people deciding to do it because we don't want to associate ourselves with the mockeries of Christ of the Jews. You're not bowing or genuflecting to the Jews if you do it. No, we're genuflecting God to show respect to God. Please hear our prayer. But it's for the Jews, and therefore, by refusing to genuflect, you make that prayer more acceptable and beautiful in God's eyes, because He sees why you're not doing it, because you detest what they did to Jesus, and you don't want to get dragged into doing the same thing, which is what the whole sin seed of the serpent are trying to do. They're trying to get us to consent to their evil, like the bombing of children. So it's the the prayer for the Jews, maybe the eighth of nine intercessions, don't genuflect, don't worry what anyone else is doing. Know that that is making your prayer more acceptable to God, and please God, that hierarchy. See, a priest might tell people, hey, you've got to genuflect. I'm telling you, you've got to do this. They can say, Father, you've got a wrong idea about obedience. You can't tell us to do that. We're not going to then this can go up to the bishops. That the bishops get told when you try and ban the traditional mass, you get stuffed. You have no right to do that. That's an evil thing to do against the authority that Christ gave the church. Christ gave the apostles authority to teach all he commanded to convert the world, he didn't give them authority to obstruct that to ban what is good. They have no authority to do it. And if the bishops in all their vulnerable position in a way, because if they step out of line, they will be attacked far more viciously than any of us. Yeah, if they see that loads of Catholics in their diocese are refusing to genuflect, and then loads of priests are refusing to ask people to genuflect, the bishop thinks, Well, you know, what can I do? This is a movement of the Holy Spirit. I'm not gonna punish any priest who doesn't require it. Um and eventually Rome sees gets reports from all these bishops saying the the people won't do it. If if this is gonna work, it's like we're all fed up with the synagogue of Satan, the Sanhedrin, the Jew world, the money world, the carnal depravity world. Where are we gonna change that? On Calvary, on Good Friday, and the simplest thing in the world is just stand still, keep your mouth shut. Easy, anyone can do it, but you need to be spiritually awake and set yourself like say set your face like flint and your legs like brass. I will not bend to the look.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:38

I would I would comp I would compare this to like those of you going to the novice order that first time you nail for community. You can receive on the tongue, and everybody else is standing. It takes an act of bravery because everybody will accuse the trads of virtue signaling and and you know piety signaling. Well, look at me, I kneel. But that's not true because I know I remember that first time I knelt and received on the tongue at a novice ordo mass. I felt like an idiot being the only one that did it, and it takes an act of courage to do it. So the thing that Father's talking about, it's just the opposite thing, it just takes a little act of courage. The same thing, because we're coming up on Palm Sunday tomorrow, and that's where at the Novus Ordo they do the readings and everybody chants. And and if if that's the mass you're going to, I would I would say absolutely do not yell out, crucify him.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:30

And the more people who stay silent, it will impact the ones who call it out. They'll begin to feel a bit odd and isolated. And some of them might think they'll compensate by shouting it even louder, but that ought to sear their conscience. What the hell am I doing in Holy Week crying out for the crucifixion? And please nobody say this rubbish about oh, we all crucified Christ and this is our way of acknowledging it. No, that's confession, is where you acknowledge that. Yeah, not in the reading that ought to be read by the celebrant at the altar, but since that changed in 1951-55, we now have lay people calling out for the crucifixion of our Lord. It's a direct degeneration.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:15

Do you think when when the they're gathered and Pilate has Christ there, do you think our ladies yelling out crucify him? Do you think do you think the apostles are yelling out crucify him? No, they're not. There's a very big difference. You think Veronica as she goes and wipes his face as he's walking on Calvary, you think Simon of Cyrene is reveling in it? Like you don't it it it there's something very warped about this idea that we all crucified Christ. It's not, yes, he died for our sins to ransom us from the devil, but that doesn't mean you wanted his crucifixion, you know. It's it's so I I I mean, yeah, I that that's one that I think should be pretty easy for because I would think the majority of our audience is probably going to a novice order.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:00

So yeah, and the scriptures are so obvious or clear that it was the Sanhedrin and the chief priests that stirred up the crowds to shout that. Yeah, they bribe some, they intimidate others, and it's the same thing as happened in the last 70 years. The Sanhedrin have subverted the church with a gay novice order. Like uh, I won't.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:22

You well, you you wonder how the same people who are saying Hosanna, Hosanna on Palm Sunday are then suddenly whipped up into a firmer saying crucify him, crucify him, and it's because of the Sanhedrin and the chief priests doing the exact thing you said, and you're seeing that exact scenario playing out in the church right now, where it's like it doesn't happen in one day like it does in the story, it happens over this long period of time where they've convinced us to get whipped up into a fervor to you know to to do the same exact thing that the Sanhedrin did uh at at the crucifixion. Um, you see you see any questions, Rob?

SPEAKER_00 1:19:06

There was one question um that I saw. Let me go back to it. Um Father, you mentioned usury in your last video. Do we passively take part in that with things like IRAs, retirement plans, 401ks, things like that?

Usury Questions And Practical Detachment

SPEAKER_03 1:19:24

Uh say I just answered someone this on Substack, right? I don't have an authoritative answer, but my instinct is no, you're not sinning by doing things like that. It's such a remote participation, and you're investing something with a risk, the bank can fail, right? You can lose all your money, but the risk is slight, and the return you get on it is more like a title to compensation for artificial inflation. You know, it's hardly keeping up with inflation. So, what you're not doing is you are not lending money to someone at interest. It's the the bank is probably doing that, but what you can do is put money into something, and if they invest it in companies, businesses, farms, whatever, you're entitled to a return on it. There's nothing wrong with that. And so you whether they lend the money or invest it is two different things.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:21

Um well, I'm in an I'm in a union and I have no choice over where my annuity goes. They just take it and they invest it without my consent. It's not like I have the option of hey, I'll take that money and do what I want with it instead. They just take it, but also I have this this like you said, the the there is so much risk right now and everything collapsing. I have a feeling I'm not gonna see any of that money by the time.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:48

Yeah, yeah. That's good good attitude, right? That we need to disentangle from this stuff, but it's it's first of all in not letting money rule your life. Um, that's how to begin disentangling and do doing things that don't, you're not spending money or earning it for big chunks of your life. Yeah, there was a with the the Saint Thomas teaches that although it's a sin to lend money usuriously, it's not a sin to borrow money in that way because you're not sinning when someone is harming you. And he gave an example of thieves bursting your house and you don't have a gun, let's let's say you're not robbed, and they say to you, Where's where's the safe? Open the safe. If you cooperate and open the safe, no one can say that you're cooperating with a robbery. Yeah, you're doing it to save the lives of your family, right? Um, so that's St. Thomas is saying if you're borrowing money because you're in need, and let's face it, the financial system is set up now so people can hardly get by without getting at least a mortgage. Like you've entered into this unjust system.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:03

So a mortgage also isn't um like a mortgage, especially if you get like a decently low interest rate, like that, like they do, especially because there is inflation, there's a certain amount of interest that needs to be charged just so people that lend you money don't lose money on the money they lent you. So, you know, say this three percent inflation every year. If you have a mortgage of four or five percent, like that. I don't know if that qualifies as usury. It's when you're getting into these 20% credit cards.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:30

Giving the mortgage is usury, correct. But you're taking it out, you're not cooperating with usury by doing that. You're doing what you have to do to get by. But if you can disentangle yourself, great. But it that's it's a whole lifestyle change, isn't it? It's we're all gonna help each other out here to disentangle ourselves from the beast, the financial system. Um, but I would say investing money where you get a return on it is not in itself usurious, yeah. Um, but I especially get Catholics who know a lot better. The trouble is you get Catholics who work in banking who will simply, as they did 500 years ago at the Reformation, by the way, they'll give excuses and pretexts for usually. Instead of just taking this view, no, it's evil, we need to build a system that has nothing to do with it. Like I want to I want to hear from a financial expert who has that view. How how do we just instead of appointing some Rothschild CAO now to the Vatican?

SPEAKER_01 1:23:33

How appropriate, how appropriate we've we've let the Jews take over the Vatican finances. It's so amazing. Um, all right. If we do uh do we have any other any other questions? If not, we'll we'll uh not that I've seen, no. Because I know uh you're you're gonna be on with Dave Riley later, correct?

SPEAKER_00 1:23:51

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:52

Yeah. Uh is that live? Do you know? I don't think it is. Uh maybe it will go out on Monday. All right. I'll I'll ask Dave and uh once he has the link for that, I'll post that as well. Father, thank you so much. We always love when you come on and talk with us. Uh, if there's ever anything you need from us, feel free to reach out. We love talking with you. Um, yeah, and thank you.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:13

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SPEAKER_01 1:24:33

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Sponsors Community And Farewell

SPEAKER_03 1:25:08

This is how we disentangle like steps like this Catholic companies who say we're not afraid to be associated with straight talking Catholics because our priority is not simply to present ourselves neutral. It used to be that companies would be politically neutral or that'd sponsor both parties, whatever, but they'd never want to take a political position in public, never mind a religious position, because all they want to do is make money and they don't want to compromise that. But when you have companies willing to sponsor a show where you two say what you think, and it's good, solid Catholic stuff, I have respect for them, or big respect.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:45

Yeah, all really awesome sponsors, and that's why we're we're very selective about who you know. We we don't just uh we won't we won't just take uh ads from anybody. We we really do like to vet who we uh who will promote and we actually love the products. I mean, I I can't tell you how much lobster I've had in the last couple of weeks, so but um yeah, thank you so much, Father.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:06

We we uh God bless you both. Thank you very much, and a most grace-filled holy week to you and everybody.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:14

Thank you, Father. Thank you.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:16

Take us out, Robert.