Catholics Lose Their Minds Over the SSPX Consecrations (Full LOCALS Show)

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Burnout Week And Family Chaos

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This stuff is so crazy, yeah. Dude, I actually uh all right, so I guess we'll get in we'll get into the show stuff and we'll talk about personal stuff on locals. I got a couple of interesting family stories we can do, but I have I just got a text from Hope.

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Oh my gosh, already there's that many people in the locals chat already. I'm not even looking at it yet. Um, so uh we what I've we weren't sure what we were gonna talk about tonight, but Rob and I will give our opinions on the SPX because we've kind of like stayed out of uh the conversation for a while. So Rob and I will give our take on it. Um but more than that, uh I'm looking at like the fallout and the way people are reacting to it. And are definitely gonna be normal about it 100%. Well, one thing I asked the other day was I said, What like why is it that people who don't attend the SSPX, like why are they so obsessed with it? Like it's it's such a weird thing. Like, if you if you go to a novice order, like why do you care what the society does? Like, people, yeah, like and these are like typically good, it's it's really strange. I don't know who hates the society more would be like um guys like Mike Lewis or Cedivacontis, like Cedivacantists hate the SSPX.

SPEAKER_03 4:08

Cervicantes hate life, but so does Mike Lewis, I suppose.

SPEAKER_04 4:13

So I'm not sure they but they hate they hate the society because the society gives recognition to the Pope, right? Where they're they're like even they're like, well, if he was really the Pope, you would, you know, you'd you'd obey him and all this stuff. So it's like they they can't stand the society, even when the society does something like this and says we're not going to listen and we're gonna do our consecrations anyway, you know? Yeah, so it's kind of a strange dynamic to watch where you would think the sedes would be like I don't, I don't know,

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Our Take On SSPX Consecrations

SPEAKER_04 6:57

Um, all right, so Rob, we'll give our takes first. Um, I have some I have some I have a clip of Father Maudsley, Father Maudsley giving his take on it. Um, and then we have uh we have uh a I'm more interested in the reaction to people's reaction. Like uh like integrity magazine, Stephen Cox's magazine put out uh an article, the false friends, father uh Taylor. I'm sorry, false friends, Taylor Marshall and Father Rippiger betray Archbishop Lefebvre by opposing the consecrations. And I'm just kind of like I wanna I want to understand how how they think that they're betraying Lefebvre first off. Like it's just I don't understand how anybody could be surprised one she's dead, yeah. Okay, but like Ripper was a fraternity priest, right? And now he has his own priestly society. Oh wow, Gasper's in here taking shots of red. It's just it's it's it's amazing to me that anybody would be surprised that Taylor, who's a I I'm pretty sure he goes to a fraternity parish, and Ripper, who's a a former fraternity priest, that guys like that would have a sympathetic attitude towards the SSPX, but in principle, don't think they should consecrate the bishop. Like they join, they attend a parish where the priests left the society because of the original 88 consecrations. Yeah, like it's actually perfectly consistent with their view. I I don't understand why that's betraying anybody or showing their true colors. It's it's baffling to me why anybody would

Why Outsiders Obsess Over SSPX

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take that position.

SPEAKER_03 8:43

It's like well, it's because you know, uh, converts who are ultra traditional is uh Catholic. Oh, we'll get into his bio anti-revolutionary Rion Rion Van Zill is his name.

SPEAKER_04 8:56

We're gonna get into Ryon Van Zill, who's who's such a silly Dutch name. Is that what he is? He's Dutch. Well, he's from South Africa. This is his bio. A convert to the faith, an ultra-traditionalist, Catholic counter-revolutionary, an advocate for integral. Like, you guys are so freaking cringe sometimes. Ultra Catholic traditionalist, like just stop it. It's bad as being Patrick attending an Orthodox parish. Just stop it with this stuff. Like, man, the SEDs, I'm telling you guys, like, what's what's funny about this is this guy who wrote this article, I guarantee he is a sede who hates the SSPX, but he sees an opportunity to drive a wedge between like your typical traditional Catholic and the SSPX. Like, they can't stand that the SSPX is kind of friendly with traditional Catholics who are more in you know in inside normal canonical status. They hate that those guys will talk with one another with respect and see each other, try to see one another's viewpoints. So, what they do is they try to drive a wedge there because they can't stand anybody who doesn't see the world exactly as they do, and they don't understand how it is that people look at SETI's like they're a bunch of crackpots. It's like you guys don't even have the ability to have conversations, so you you just you're just lunatics. So you see anybody, so I didn't even watch Taylor's stream, but I'm assuming he came on and said, I like because if you read the um the letter that the society put out, it's basically like the Council of Trent, like the Trent Catechism is what they put out. Like, yeah, any normal Catholic that reads through that, you're gonna just go, okay, I agree with that, I agree with that, I agree with that, I agree with that, I agree with that. So it's that's basically what it is. There's a couple of um things like uh things that they brought up that are important that especially Rob and I going through this encyclical series lately, um, are are pretty important to to me to talk about too. Let me see. Let me bring up uh Michael Haynes'. Is this is this is this really Taylor? That is Taylor, I believe so. I think so.

SPEAKER_03 11:11

I forget what his handle is.

SPEAKER_04 11:13

Yeah, I don't know. The PhD at the end may not be Taylor.

SPEAKER_03 11:16

Um it's a correct statement, regardless.

SPEAKER_05 11:19

Yeah, I agree. Um so wait, where is it? Uh shoot, I gotta find the actual Michael Haynes tweet. Um I might have put the wrong one in there.

SPEAKER_04 11:32

Like they gave a list of um a list of things that they're like the errors they're worried about, which are especially with us going through that encyclical series, are pretty

Modern Errors List And Vatican Reality

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important.

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Um let me see if I can find it. You got it? Sunscreen. Okay, there you go.

SPEAKER_04 11:54

Okay, so um okay, so I acknowledge in particular the that modern errors represent a dreadful threat to the whole of the Catholic order, and that their uh penetration into the life of the church under the influence of the Second Vatican Council and post-conciliar reforms has provoked a crisis of exceptional gravity. I agree with that wholeheartedly. Yeah, agnosticism attacks the knowledge of God, naturalism attacks the necessity of grace, subjectivism attacks the supernatural motive of faith, relativism attacks the immutable immutable immutability of dogma, situational ethics attacks the divine law, liberalism attacks the social kingship of Christ, false ecumenism attacks the uniqueness of the church, collegiality and synodality attack the divine constitution of the church and her hierarchy, liturgical anthropocanthropocentrism attacks the holy sacrifice of the myth. Like it'd be hard to argue with those things, right? I mean, the 90% of like that is right from the like the syllabus. And so, like uh, like I I was going back and forth with Jake from uh he was Joe McLean's producer, formerly Joe McLean's producer, and now I think he does the morning show over there. And Jake was trying to tell me that it's our job as Catholics to cope. And I'm like, man, that like what are you what like what does he mean by cope? So um all right, so uh strangely, Bree Sol's dad wrote the SSPX profession of faith, among other things, everyone Christians, Jews, Muslims, pagans, and atheists must enter the Catholic Church for salvation, and that the apostolic mandate to convert all peoples remains binding. Non-Catholic religions and communities cannot be treated as equals of the Catholic Church, a person conscious of serious sin must not receive holy communion. Goes through like a list of things that pretty much every Catholic would agree with. And then Pope Respector said almost everything she lists can be found in Vatican II. So I said, I wonder if people are delusional or just gaslighting, because today, literally, today, the dicastery for interreligious dialogue puts out a meeting between Buddhists, Christians, Hindus, Sikhs in Europe, building fraternity through dialogue and collaboration. So it's like the church, like you can't say the second Vatican Council affirms all of those things, but then in reality, the there's a Vatican dicastery promoting interreligious dialogue and fraternity without the fatherhood of God. So I said, I wonder if people delusion. Like you should you shouldn't do that. You shouldn't ignore reality, yeah. Like you you can't have a situation where we're watching the Archbishop of Detroit going and speaking at a mosque and pretend you're upset about that when he's doing it with the explicit blessing of the Vatican, like he is doing implicit, yeah, but like all that kind of stuff is done with the express permission of the Vatican, like it really is implicit, once again, and yes, it's yes, but then holding it. That's how they can that's how they're like the Pope. Literally telling him to do it, yeah. So Jake says, Ah, yes, the infamous doctrinal and dogmatic and binding declaration of an interreligious conference at a Roman university. Finally, we have clear proof of Rome's formal defection of the faith. And it's like, Jake, I'm not saying Rome is defected from the faith when I say that.

SPEAKER_03 16:06

Like that that's not where I'm going, but like you this is a because of course the church doesn't do anything. The church doesn't pronounce doctrine or dogma anymore.

SPEAKER_04 16:18

Yeah, and and the thing is, I'm not claiming the church defected or anything, I'm just saying, like, this is an affection of the Vatican Marshall. Okay, there we go. The irony is that these Sede Inc. personalities are accusing us of betraying Lefebvre, whatever that means, but they're a set of contests and Lefebvre would banish them and curse them, they betray him. But it's just it's like to to be surprised that a guy like Taylor or Ripper would hold that opinion is you know, the O is right next to the I. I don't know what to tell you, it occasionally comes out. Um, like to be surprised by that, right? Like I go to a diocesan TLM, I don't go to a society chapel, so for me to be like gung-ho about them doing that, like I almost feel like I I don't have any business like being that passionate about this, but the like in reality, I've you know like I've thought about this, I've thought about this for a while recently, though, and part of me is happy that they're doing it because they are a sign of contradiction, and it's something the church must contend with, and it's something the SEDEs will never be able to do because they're so disjointed and they're their priests are ordained by some fuke bishop line that may not even be like it's just so preposterous to think the SEDEs are accomplishing anything other than like ankle biting the novus order, their whole personality is set as opposition to the novus order, they don't do anything where the society has a structure that allows them to actually teach the faith to people and they have missions throughout the world and they're bringing the sacraments to people. It's like, yes, we're very sympathetic to that, you know, it's a lot different than the set of a contest. The set of acantists, they don't get that a guy like uh guys like us look upon the society and are empathetic to what they're doing because they simply just want to be Catholic. And if they got express permission to consecrate these bishops, there wouldn't be this giant fiasco. So in our minds, we're like, why wouldn't the why would the Pope just let them consecrate the bishops and keep the status quo? Like they still have their irregular canonical status, it doesn't mean you're condoning everything they're doing, but at least give them their bishops so that they can continue their mission while talks are still going on.

SPEAKER_03 18:35

Or at the very I mean, at the very least, like don't excommunicate them. Yeah, you can say that you still disagree, you you know, you still disagree with the excommunication. Yeah, I don't know. It's like I don't like I usually don't like the whole like centrist sort of everyone's wrong or everyone's right position, but on like on this side on in this situation, I I don't think it's crazy to say I I understand the view of the SSPX. I think it mu it is probably imprudent to do the consecrations right now at this moment, but also Rome is is wrong to one not allowed and to to excommunicate them for it.

SPEAKER_04 19:19

Look, the problem is that Rome hates tradition. Yeah, they hate tradition. It's not it's not like a shocking thing to say. Um yeah, right? Like that's what I said. Like I've attended FSSP for 15 years, and today it's said a breaking news that I'm not a soloist.

SPEAKER_03 19:40

Well, I mean, yeah, they're not never mind.

SPEAKER_04 19:44

Well, the thing is, like you saw even when Ripper was talking about it, he's like, there's no winning, there's no winning this argument. No, you're gonna make someone mad no matter what you say. But the truth is, guys like us are very sympathetic to what the SSPX is doing, and in some ways, I'm I'm kind of glad they're doing it because it's keeping some kind of pressure on Rome to face this thing that they're that they're discussing because there are major freaking problems right now. Well, okay, not Rome, the the the hierarchy, right? The hierarchy hates tradition, clearly, our hierarchy hates tradition. Like we have a bunch of revolutionaries who who have been elevated to seats of authority in our church who despise tradition, like they you know that it's like every chance they get to put the pressure on us. And look, in some ways, like somebody asked the question today like, what's the difference between a person going to the Latin Mass at a society uh uh chapel or a fraternity uh parish? And the response was the guy going to the society chapel doesn't have this like the sword of Damocles hanging over his head that that Rome's gonna take away his Latin mass at any time.

SPEAKER_03 20:58

There really is something to that, and it's not even worrying about Rome taking it away. Like if you are at an FSSP or ICKSP parish, like we've seen your local bishop could take it away anytime.

SPEAKER_04 21:12

Yeah, yeah, look, and and the other thing is like a lot of the stuff, like we were goofing around earlier this month about like Matt Gaspar slaying the Sede's and stuff, right? But the the SEDEs have a major problem in that how do they answer the visible the visible aspect of the church, like the that the that there's a visible church, and in some ways, like the SSPX is still a sign of visible sign of the visible church because they do have a structure amongst them, and they're and they're still recognizing the Pope. Now they're they're kind of in battle with him right now, and they're they're you know trying to figure some things out, but they still do recognize the Pope, and they and they're not they're not calling him an antipope or anything, you know, they're just it's but the But um yeah, the the whole man, I don't know. This stuff just kind of gets wild. So I mean we have I would like to uh oh all right so back to what Jake was saying.

Is It Our Job To Cope

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Um Jake says so Jake responded to me, he said the church has had crises before, and so you're denying there's a crisis. No, I love you too, Anthony, but it's literally our duty as Catholics to cope, not to bury our heads in the sand, of course, but also not freak out. God rewards hopium, not doom scrolling. And that's the line I had a hard time with. Like, it's not our duty to cope. Like it's it's really not our duty to cope. Like you can you can see the situation for what it is and understand that the crisis is really bad right now.

SPEAKER_03 22:45

I think I think when he says cope, I think he to read him charitably, I would say he maybe he means like just like to suffer through it. Which I which I'm fine with that. Yeah, I know you would agree with that.

SPEAKER_04 22:58

Yeah, I'm fine with that. I don't like the idea of pretending all is well, right? Yes, that I can't do. I can't just pretend like all is well when we're we're reading these encyclicals, and as you go through them, every single thing that the popes are warning us about are now yelled from the rooftops as as good things from the modern hierarchy. So there's clearly an issue here, and it's uh like like to me. Um I I put something out the other day. I want to see if I can find it real quick. Like it has to do with story to me, like like anybody that has ever watched an amazing comeback story in sports when when you have a series going on, and the and the like if you were a Red Sox fan and they were down in that series four or three games to to none, and then they come back and they wind up winning that world series that year, like those are the those are the ones you remember, those are the the the stories you remember. And the way that I see things right now is for those of us who keep faith through this whole thing, and you just say, All right, I don't know what's going on, but I trust that God has everything, you know, like that God understands what's going on, you're going to see the greatest comeback story in the history of humanity because it is going to appear as though all hope is lost, and then comes the return of the king. Like that's that's how that's how the story plays out. And if you're somebody who thinks that the the what's going on right now means the church defected, you're not going to recognize the story when it happens. Like for the sedes who think what is going on right now looks like this isn't the church anymore. Like you're you're looking you're looking at the church in her passion, and Christ, when he's at the pillar being beaten, does not look like the messiah, but he's still the messiah. So it's like the this is a the the grand storytelling of God. God will it will seem as though everything is like gone. And the reason Christ gives us the promise that the gates of hell will not prevail is because it will appear as though the gates have prevailed. Angels in the outfield has done irreparable damage to the Long Island Italian populace.

SPEAKER_03 25:27

I'm gonna have to show my kids that movie. Thank you for reminding me.

SPEAKER_04 25:31

Uh um, yeah, yeah. So, like to me, um more than mine and Rob's opinion on this, because I think most people understand our opinion. Like, our opinion is very similar to Taylor's, where I'm very sympathetic to the SSPX, but I go to a I go to a diocesan Latin miss. Like, I'm not comfortable. Um I'm not I'm not I'm not comfortable in in my position as a construction worker, like ruling from my chair and saying, well, this is this and this is this. Like I just yeah, I I still have to have the humility to go, I don't understand this stuff, but you know, I I have I have to trust that God's God's gonna come through for us.

SPEAKER_03 26:13

Like I'm I'm not sure that the consecrations are the right thing to do, but I know I want the SSBX still out there, yeah, and to continue on in their mission, right?

SPEAKER_04 26:23

And I like every single person in my life that I know that goes to the SSPX is an awesome Catholic. And it's like when they're when they're allowing when they're allowing some of the craziness that they're allowing, like some of the stuff the Vatican allows with ecumenism and all this stuff, it's like I'm looking at the the people I know at the society chapels, and they got like you know, eight kids and they're just going to mass every Sunday and they're just trying to live out their Catholic faith. And for a lot of people, they go there because that's the only good liturgy they can find. So it's like I'm not gonna sit here and I'm not gonna condemn those people, and I'm also not going to be shocked when people who go to the diocesan mass are like, Yeah, we're you know, we're praying for all involved. Yeah, this isn't this isn't a grift where you're trying to cover your bases and make sure all trad still want to listen to us. Like, that's an absurd position to have. Like, no, I'm very I'm even sympathetic to the sede position, not because I'm trying to cover all my bases, because I see how crazy things look, and I'm like, yeah, I do see how somebody can come to the conclusion that something crazy happened at the council and all the popes since the council are not valid. Like, I I understand that I don't agree with it, but I can at least understand it. And the problem is the guys who hold that position, they have no ability to see things from our perspective. They're like, if you don't agree with what I say, you're a heretic, you're part of the Nova Sordo sect, you're uh you know, it's just it's hard, it's hard to like have discourse with people like that. It's an insane crisis we're in, and people are coming to different conclusions. And I don't see how people can call you an idiot if you came to a different conclusion than them. It's just it's just preposterous to me. So this this cornball, I'm so glad we're getting back to him. Rion von Zil. Rion von Zill. I have no idea how to pronounce his name. False friends, Taylor Marshall and Father Rippiger betray LaFette. Like, shut up, stupid. They revealed their true colors this week. No, they didn't reveal their true colors this week. We've all been saying the same thing for the past decade.

SPEAKER_03 28:34

Rip Ripper, Father Ripper, like he was trained as a priest by the FSSP. What do you expect? Nobody revealed their true colors, guys.

SPEAKER_04 28:45

We've all the accusations here are so insane. Uh, uh, the approaching consecrations of the society have once again exposed the fault lines within the traditional Catholic world. Like, guys, that there are a lot of fault lines in the traditional Catholic world, like because of idiots like this, yeah. And the guys like the like I said, this guy's probably a set of a contest who hates the society, but he sees an opportunity to drive a wedge between your diocesan Latin Mass Catholic and your society going Catholic, right? Like they see an opportunity. Hey, let's drive a wedge in, let's call them Catholic Inc. or Trad Inc or whatever they do. More interesting than the reaction from Rome has been the reaction from prominent conservative quasi-traditionalists, like God, you guys are such harping losers. Like, holy crap, man. Voices who have spent years benefiting from traditionalist audiences. Like, I don't think these guys realize how small the SEDA audience is. Like, I don't, I don't I hate to break it to you guys, but like your average SSPX attendee sees things the way we do too. Like, it it's not, I haven't there are definitely people who have uh a more sede um position in in the society, like there are those people, but like most of the people I know that go to the society, they're just like Catholics trying to be Catholic, and the society is the best option they have, and they've made a home at that at that at that chapel. Um so uh two examples stand out. Uh Dr. Taylor Marshall's comments on a recent episode, uh and Father Rippiger's episode, also. So both men present themselves as a sympathetic to the society and both express admiration for Lefebvre. They're not faking that. Like when you read Lefebvre's autobiography, it is the thing is uh we're also gonna go through a correspondence between Lefebvre and Paul the Sixth, which is super interesting. No, it's it's actually really interesting. We're gonna go through that. Um uh, but when the moment of truth came to take a clear stand, both retreated into ambiguity, caution, and appeals to obedience to structures that have become instruments of the post-conciliar revolution. Like the then the the part that makes me mad is grifting off society faithful. Uh Marshall's treatment of it, like the idea, because they're there the the theory here is that guys like us or Marshall or anybody in the traditional uh landscape is grifting because we hold a sympathetic view towards the society or even Lefebvre.

SPEAKER_03 31:20

Because they'll never be monetized online. They assume that when you are monetized, you make a lot of money. Therefore, people like Taylor Marshall and to a lesser extent, us make a lot of money doing this.

SPEAKER_04 31:33

Like, are you let me tell you something? I I've said this about the Setis before. Like, they've accused me, they're like, he could never become Sede Vacantist because he'd lose his audience and he'd lose his revenue. It's like I don't care what position I have, I will make it entertaining and people will enjoy the show. Like that's that's the reality of it. Yeah, yeah, I've just portrayed my 1.8 million person SSPX only audience. What was I thinking? Like Rob and I do a show, it's an entertaining show. If I if I came to that position, we would we could talk about anything. Like Rob and I could just talk about whatever. I mean, I it's uh I don't need to I don't hold this position because it makes me money. I hold this position because I genuinely hold it. Like I've never lied about what I what I hold per my personal views about this stuff. I I like I I don't know. I don't know what I don't know why people would think that. It's it's a silly thing.

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Guys, we're not gonna eight bucks on the carmelo anthony one. That was that was the banger one there, guys.

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Guys, you don't get you don't make money on YouTube. I hope you guys know this. You do not make money on YouTube. You you you you make money doing other things, you don't make money on YouTube. So no, I'm not worried about betraying my audience. But um, yeah, to show admiration for Lefebvre, you need to um that's that that's something you can take that down, Rob. That that's an interesting thing because uh guys like us, who are especially Rob and I were cradle Catholics, right? We're we're coming up in the heyday of the lighthouse Catholic media days, right? Uh, like back then I would watch Taylor Marshall on the Coming Home Network and hear his journey home, like that was the time period I'm coming up in. And the the propaganda we heard about Lefebvre was like they're schismatic, don't ever go near them. Like you they were more evil than the Satanists, and that was the propaganda that we received, right? So then when the McCarrick scandal happened, and then COVID, it was really coveted. COVID, I think, flipped a lot of a lot of people's minds. I I remember Taylor saying that he went to a society chapel during COVID because they were the only ones offering sacrifice.

SPEAKER_03 34:17

I think he went for for Palm Sunday or Easter, something like right, yeah, it was something like that.

SPEAKER_04 34:21

And he and he went and he was like, Wow, these priests like they're the ones laying their neck on the line during during these shutdowns, right? So, for a lot of us to go from the propaganda we received about how these schismatic, evil trads are trying to destroy the church and all this, to then going, all right, let me look at this from a different lens under Francis. Because Francis, he was like the great revealer for a lot of us. And we all were like, let's take a second look at this. That the whole even Michael Matt's Unite the Clans thing, like that was really about like the fraternity and the society. I think he was saying, like, we're in a we're I don't know for a fact, but like that's what it came off to me as it wasn't really yeah, it wound up becoming a broader thing under Francis, where it was like, everybody, let's just you know lay down our arms and come together. But like fundamentally, it was about the fraternity and the society, and it's like, guys, you guys could because you would hear you would hear homilies from fraternity priests telling people do not get married at a society chapel, do not go to confession at a society chapel, like your your your your sacraments are not valid, they don't have a valid canonical static. Those are the homilies you would hear. Now, to be fair, back then they did not have faculty to hear confession. Yeah, no, no, it was Francis that gave it to them, ironically, right? Yeah, unite the clans was Trads Uniting, right? And it was like, let's let's put these like squabbles down for the for the moment, we're in something really crazy right now, and um, and so a lot of us did. A lot of us were like, Okay, let's take a second look at this, and then when you actually think about what Lefebvre was going through, because I try to put myself in that mindset or that time frame of the council, and I see how I feel now. And if I was like growing up in the Latin mass, because now I've been exposed to the Latin mass for what eight, nine years now, like since 2017, nine years. Like, I see how passionate I am about this stuff now. Now, what if I grew up in the Latin mass and then all of a sudden they take it away and you're watching all this stuff go down? You would hope that we will be part of the guys who were like flipping out, don't take our Latin mass away.

SPEAKER_03 36:27

Have you read uh Lefebvre's um letters to uh letter to confuse Catholic?

SPEAKER_04 36:34

No, I well, I think I have, it's just been so long since I've read it.

SPEAKER_03 36:37

It's really good, it really helps you see the struggles that Catholics were going through as a whole. Oh, yeah, yeah. I've definitely read it. Just really gets gives you a good sense for Lefebvre himself, too.

SPEAKER_04 36:50

So um uh uh today I learned some taffy intros cost more than A B makes an episode. Because he's paying for those AI intros, those silly AI intros. Um, I want to bring up this uh this uh back and forth between Lefebvre and uh Paul the Sixth.

Lefebvre And Paul VI Clash

SPEAKER_03 37:14

Let me find it real quick in the messages here.

SPEAKER_04 37:16

That's the last thing I put in. So uh confronting a rebel archbishop's accusations and acts of the now, this is from National Catholic Reporter, so I don't know how like this is from back in 2018, is from National Catholic Reporter. Um, confronting a rebel archbishop's accusations and acts of defiance was the heaviest cross Paul VI had to bear at his pontificate, says a new book on never before published notes and documents.

SPEAKER_03 37:40

After years of correspondence, the Pentecost uh octave was uh gotten rid of.

SPEAKER_04 37:46

Yeah, right. After years of correspondence and efforts at convincing Lefebvre, founder of the SSPX, to accept the teachings of the council and the authority of the Pope, uh Blessed Paul lost his patience at times in a private meeting and suspended the cleric in uh 1976. So this is the quote it said, You said it and wrote it that I would be a modernist Pope by applying an ecumenical council, I would betray the church. Do you understand that if this were so, I would have to resign and invite you to take my place and lead the church? Pope Paul said, according to a top Vatican official's reporting of the proceedings. The typed report and handwritten notes and letters of Blessed Paul are part of a new Italian book, The Bark of Paul. Um, so the book makes public more than two dozen handwritten letters. There's a good part here, hang on. Uh, but most dramatic are the documents on Lefebvre. The book focuses on the Pope's comments and reactions. All right, so at length the Pope condemned the false and inconsistent doctrine uh and grave divisive actions of the archbishop during a secret consistory with cardinals on May 24th, 1976. The book said, uh, the times the Pope told the cardinals called not for concessions but vigilance against all dangerous and incorrect interpretations of the Second Vatican Council. Just a few months later in July, Lefebvre was suspended from his priestly functions after he illegally ordained 13 priests at a seminary in Switzerland. In an open violation of a suspension, he led a mass at a sports arena in France before thousands of faithful and hundreds of journalists who reported or who reported or broadcast his lengthy homily in which he defended the traditional faith and lambassed the conciliar church. In the end, after direct correspondence, intermediaries and a number of public statements seemed to have failed to sway the archbishop to meet uh and Pope to who met face to face with him in September 11th. The Pope's personal secretary also attended along with the assistant secretary, whom the Pope charged with taking notes. Written like a transcript, the report said Paul, uh Pope Paul began conversation saying, I hope to have before me a brother, a son, a friend. Unfortunately, the position you have taken is that of an anti-pope. What can I say? You have not allowed for any measure in your words, your actions, or your behavior. Uh, you judge the pope as disloyal to the faith of which he is the supreme guarantor. Perhaps this is the first time in history that this has happened. You told the whole world that the Pope lacks the faith, does not believe that he is a modernist, and so on, blessed Paul said, underlining the extreme gravity of such accusations and the need to reflect and accept the just consequences. Now, I never I because I always thought of the consecrations in '88. Like I didn't realize this stuff was going on, like this kind of tension was between Paul VI and Lefebvre, and Lefebvre's out there lambasting Paul the Sixth calling him a modernist and saying he doesn't have the faith. Like that must have been a wild thing to witness. Now, if you're a faithful Catholic at the time, you're going through this, like the confusion that people must have had between loyalty to the Pope and seeing all these drastic changes happening. Like, I don't, I don't know. Like, you have to give a certain amount of um like grace to the people who were just totally confused, like and all the people who probably just stopped attending mass because they were like, I don't even know what's going on anymore. Like, what the heck is happening? The church seems completely different, and then those people who are like, I have to follow the Pope no matter what, that is the like that is the sign of a true Catholic. A Catholic follows the Pope, right? But then you have the traditionalists who are like, There, this is literally the the the Protestant Reformation happening in our church. This is the Kramer table popping up. They're they're having guitar masses at my local parish. Like, what is going on here? It must it must have been a really chaotic time that I never really took into consideration that we started to think about in 2017, 2018. It was like it was especially for the younger guys who are just kind of coming into this in the past like five or six years. Because even to talk about the McCarrick stuff, Rob, that's a decade ago. It is, which is crazy. Decade ago, right?

SPEAKER_03 42:08

The 2002 stuff is two and a half decades ago.

SPEAKER_04 42:11

Yeah, so the original the original abuse crisis happens in 2002, but the McCarrick stuff breaks in 2017.

How Catholic Media Shifted Since 2017

SPEAKER_04 42:20

And yeah, man, if you if you guys weren't paying attention to the Catholic, like um, first off, there was a way smaller commentary, right? It was Taylor Marshall, like he was who everyone was listening to. It was just it's what it was, man. It was like you were you were watching this stuff happen, and Taylor was like one I we should get him on to talk about this because I I mean we've done it once before, but it was like he Taylor was he was in the Catholic speaking circuit, he was hanging with Scott Hahn and uh like Patrick Madrid, and like that's that's the circles or like that uh that that photo the photo of Jennifer Patrick Madrid and Taylor Marshall. I posted it the other day. I was like, man, like a different world, man.

SPEAKER_03 43:08

Um yeah, it was not so easy following in your footsteps.

SPEAKER_04 43:13

Let me tell you, and it's like, dude, it was just you couldn't wait every day to like I remember driving home and like pulling in my driveway, and I wouldn't want to get out of my car because I had to finish listening to the rest of the episode. It was like riveting stuff going through the the vegano stuff was happening, like people that you younger guys that kind of converted after 2020 or something, you don't know what that time was like. We were all Pope spleening early on in Francis's papacy.

SPEAKER_03 43:41

We were all just like just like you know who who else like doesn't know what that time was like, the uh convert ultra traditionalist uh yeah anti-revolutionary exactly right in that article.

SPEAKER_04 43:56

Man, it's funny because like even a lot of the guys in like the in the stratosphere now came in in like 2020 like they're they're not even veterans like it's it really is interesting to watch how the landscape has has changed over time but it was just a it was an insane time for for for guys who grew up under jp2 and then benedict and when benedict was pope it was just like this glorious time where we had this ultra traditional pope is what we thought uh I like those days because orthos didn't know how to use the internet yeah I look there's a whole there's a whole lot of stuff going on in ortho world man those guys I we have so much so much content we could get to tonight because we have we're keeping the two hours at most i guess yeah you know what and we're gonna wrap up the society show like we're gonna we're gonna keep that and then we'll go over the locals and we'll do some other stuff over there but yeah I just look it's been a wild ride the past decade and um I my like I'm I'm at a point where I just I I think that the I think that the bishops in the society they know their own flock and they know their own needs better than any of us do and I think they're doing what their conscience is calling them to do. I can't I can't tell them what to do and I don't go to the society. So I'm going to sit back and watch what happens like the rest of us and I don't think me putting my two cents and saying I don't think they should do these consequences like who cares what I think like absolutely like who gives a crap what what I think um y'all should go back and watch Marshall podcast parsing Francis in Spanish to explain what I know I remember those days. You know what would be a fun show to do we should get Taylor on and review some of his old shows like that would be funny like that would be fleeting episodes I think that would be a fun show. First off dude I go back and watch shows of ours from like a year or two ago and I'm like oh they're so terrible like I guarantee he would cringe so hard at some of his older stuff but no but I look that's when Taylor started doing commentary but there were years where I would listen to his podcast because he was just doing like biblical analysis and and you know and Catholic like he was doing catechesis. So I was like I was listening to Taylor of uh new states New St.

SPEAKER_03 46:20

Thomas for like half a year.

SPEAKER_04 46:22

Me too for more than that yeah I was I was a I was a member of New St. Thomas Institute it's just funny that like you know you're I'm I'm listening to Taylor Marshall through all this stuff then I then I watch the McCarrick stuff happen I'm watching Taylor Marshall and then like it turns out to eventually that like I'm friends with Taylor Marshall he comes on the show it's just it is kind of funny how all that happened because we were just like you idiots in the chat at one point right like we would I don't mean like that but you know what I mean like we were just we were just hammering show ant yeah it is funny how that happened um but yeah I don't know like I I my position is pray for all involved and I and I'm gonna urge the the set a's to chill out a bit they do not know how stop trying to drive a wedge between between like your diocesan latin mass going catholic and the and the SSPX guys like they there's no there's no animosity between those guys like I I don't know I've never caught any animosity from SSPX guys towards like if I go to a diocesan Latin mass like I've gone to the society chapel on days where like my only option is a terrible novus order and I'm like I'd rather go I'd rather go to the society on days like that and they're they're always nice to me and great so I don't know I don't sense that animosity so yeah we'll pray for all involved and now oh no don't tell me locals crashed then we go check it's showing fine on my end probably because the uh tower you guys built immediately I'm still seeing it live on my locals it's working for me yeah it's just your personal locals show crashed locals is up and running on my end so all right so we're gonna wrap this up um and head over to locals I appreciate all you guys for checking us out Taylor let's uh let's pick let's pick a date we'll get you back on man because we should reminisce one episode it's it's kind of wild how how different how different Catholicism and like the Catholic world is now versus when when when I first started really we didn't read this one when it came in early in the show but I had the same discussion with my future mother in law she's deep in the SSPX circles and I basically said that it's not my call I ache for the SSPX and I'm constantly scandalized by the BS that Rome yeah it it's look it's you know when we say Rome we're not talking about the papacy and we're not talking about shorthand yeah it's just we're just talking about like you know the Vatican but yeah it's look it's it's hard time I just say everybody that's like freaking out over this stuff don't freak out like like stay calm be at peace live your life control what is in your sphere of influence that's all you really can do so evangelize people bring them into the faith bring them into the church do everything you can raise your children properly

Practical Peace And Locals Tease

SPEAKER_04 49:10

don't obsess on scandal and just whatever's in your sphere of influence to control that's what you control because there's nothing else you can really do especially uh you know I mean your average person at your local parish like there's not much you that we could do granting on the internet and and just like the constant negativity feed is not always good for your spiritual life and stuff. So really just do what you can do in your local sphere of influence and just sit back and watch because God's going to do something spectacular and I think it's gonna be in our lifetimes. So you know the worse it gets the worse it gets the more comforted you should be with the fact that God is we're closer to God's intervention because God will not let us down like God will intervene. It's just how far will he let it go before he does this that's that's all it really is a matter of so we're gonna head over to the other side uh thank you all for watching if you're not a locals member join our locals we got we're gonna talk about the Orthodox tonight because there's an Orthodox priest saying some crazy stuff about their liturgy and then I got a cool father Maudsy clip to counter what this guy's saying.

SPEAKER_03 50:14

Also I never told you the story of how I accidentally gave money to a master Freemason. Yeah we'll have to talk about that I don't know what that's about.

SPEAKER_04 50:23

And then I forgot all about that if we have time I have the most insane John Deloney clip I've ever heard where a woman quit drinking and she called in to tell John Deloney how she's having a hard time that her husband hasn't quit drinking yet and John Deloney encourages her to divorce her husband. And I'm just like wait what? Wait, what did you just say she quit drinking and then what she quit drinking yeah and she was going in to say how she's having a hard time that her husband hasn't quit drinking. He still drinks even though he doesn't drink to excess and he's not an alcoholic and John Deloney says I think that you need to divorce your husband it's the most insane thing I've ever heard so we might get to that I hope we can get to that because I'm going to lose my mind on this one but we have a ton of other stuff to get to also so we'll see you guys on the other side uh pray for everybody involved in this take us out Rob that was your cue I know nice man first time we broke a hundred in locals in a while live on a show nice yeah over a hundred in locals right now on the s oh we didn't read Pat uh my friend Patrick's super I I put it up as we because the video is already playing what a game yeah so on on the story of the church and her passion Christ in referring to his passion when Judas went out to betray him says and now the Son of man is glorified our virtues shine the most when we go through suffering and this applies to us and the church 100% agree Patrick 100% agree he should he should probably watch the locals he usually watches the locals okay um what do you want to do on this side man I would love to do the Deloney stuff because man is it infuriating it is infuriating dude i and you'd have you'd have to I hate watching his stuff but it does turn into good conversations it's it's good it's good content and conversation that that anyone could watch um I mean because we do have other stuff like I I do have like father maudsley clips and stuff but what I'll say about the the father maudsley stuff if you guys haven't seen Alex Poe interview Father Maudley just go watch that because we should um we should well we should get both of them on separately but uh I've I've never talked to uh Alexander so it should be cool yes I told Alexander we have to schedule him because I want to get him on he's he's a really good kid um but I also talked to Father Maudsley uh today cool um so uh father maudsley is writing uh he's writing a book and as soon as he's done with it he's going to send it my way so I can read it because he was like we we can set up an interview I said I'd rather you finish your book and let me read we can talk about that. Yeah because I I don't want to just rehash stuff that we've already said and I want to dig into some of the things that he's been been writing about so I can ask good questions. Like there's nothing better than when you have good questions to ask based on the work that that someone's doing so when when he's done writing I'm I'm gonna I'm gonna read it and then I'll get him on and we'll dig into some some good stuff. So I need a haircut if my hair gets any longer we're gonna start getting adl money how do you think that show's gonna go over um everyone's gonna hate it from both sides which means it's gonna give you that crazy that topic man that topic when you talk about it it's like people are just so irrational it's just funny the settings the settings hate me so I really don't care like I they I they they hate me so I just don't care anymore. I just like to like whatever I'm just gonna say whatever's on my mind about them yeah um all right I send it a Deloney clip did you get it? Did I send it right yeah okay all right so a little like I I cut out like the first 30 seconds of it she basically explains how she quit drinking 10 months ago and now she's 10 months sober and she's about to get into it with Deloney and Deloney's going to give the most horrific advice was she a legit alcoholic or is she one of those people who's the clip's so long you're not gonna get to some of this stuff she she explains it that she was that alcohol was be it was a major problem in her life she didn't she never went to a though and sometimes those are the worst kind of people who quit because they didn't learn the steps of like uh don't judge others who are you know there's like steps in AA that you have to learn and making amends and all that stuff. So she never went through any of that she just quit drinking in her own power and she's looking down on her husband like well I quit drinking you need to quit drinking this in in reality she's calling John Deloney because she quit drinking and she's mad she can't force her husband to stop drinking. That's what it comes out of that he's still having fun and she's not to have fun and she's mad that he's having fun that's really what this phone call is about.

SPEAKER_03 56:22

So she she is in reality just a miserable person and hates it when other people aren't miserable.

SPEAKER_04 56:28

There are a lot of women like that where I was gonna say it sounds less like an alcoholic and more just like a modern woman really there's a lot of women who don't like when their husbands have fun. Like it just makes them mad if their husband has fun and it's like a really awful quality in a woman so all right let's jump into it.

John Delony Clip And Divorce Advice Rant

SPEAKER_04 56:46

So John set up to set it up so we can put the clip out later we're about to listen to a clip of John Deloney giving the most awful advice I have ever heard in my life a woman who's calling probably seeking a way to uh she probably wanted advice on how to handle her husband drinking even though she can't and John Delaney counsels her to leave her husband it's insane. So let's play it yeah yeah so then congratulations don't tell me you have this sped up the whole no no no just the just the beginning you're fine it's good it's good.

SPEAKER_01 57:24

Yeah so um kind of through those 10 months I think a lot of things have been coming up and I I knew going into it that I was going to be feeling a lot more emotion and everything. I also I'm a missionary kid as well in group overseas in a in a very volatile country um so definitely have some stuff that happened as a kid. Who cares? But through everything my husband has continued to drink and I've tried to have you know I had to get to the point where I did it like made that decision to stop for myself because he wasn't going to and he doesn't drink to the same extent that um I did but it's also because it was such a negative thing in my life it's made it really hard to see him continue.

SPEAKER_04 58:22

Because I don't want to get a copyright when we put this up on YouTube. We're gonna pause it every so often so um right off the bat she says um I I can't get my husband to stop even though he doesn't drink to the extent that I did like her husband didn't have a drinking problem. He was able to consume a few drinks have a good time and everything was fine. This woman I guarantee she's one of those women who every single time she drank there was an issue. Yes every single time it was a crazy fight and they wound up going to bed mad at each other and it was just a total nightmare every time she drank she was probably miserable for days afterward so she got to a point where she was like I can't live like this anymore. So she stopped drinking but she can't make her husband stop because he doesn't have a problem he's normal he can have a few drinks and not be a problem God continue on it it is amazing how the people who who can't drink without being a problem seem to not understand how people who can drink and not have a problem can do it right like well I'll I'll say this though I I will empathize with one thing like I'm a very dry drunk so when I don't drink during Lent I don't want to be around people who drink like well I get I get that because but you even when I drink I don't want to be around like I just I don't want to you're you that's like that's not the same thing you're you I don't like being around people when I drink when I'm not drinking if they're drinking but all right let's play the clip because people be mad at us if we don't continue on that path because I just when I look at alcohol for me it's something that completely stole my joy for so many years.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:02

You just don't have to and so you know we've I've tried to have conversations about kind of how it's it's making me feel on the same side I also know that everyone's on their own journey and I'm trying not to project kind of my my path onto his um you ever notice all the women that call into this they all just regurgitate the same like random sequences of words that don't actually mean anything.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:31

We're all on our we're all on our journey and I just I'm on my own path and blah blah blah you are such a misogynist now it's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:39

I'm so used to women babble it didn't even bother me um but I guess to summarize there's just a lot of communication struggles that we have um and I feel like looking back I would definitely get frustrated and just drink and then we wouldn't deal with it and so now I'm wanting to deal with it and he's not wanting to and I'm seeing him now not drinking excessively but I I just feel like he's going down some following some of the same patterns I I did. I don't know if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:12

It doesn't let me ask you a different question. Okay so now listen to what he says so her thing is I quit drinking he hasn't he's not drinking in excess but you can tell what's really going on she's because he doesn't want to talk to me when I'm being all soberly bitchy she's mad that he's still able to drink and she can't drink and she wants to tell she wants to point the finger at him and be like well you know this is what happened when I quit drinking I she thinks she's better than the husband is what it is she quit drinking and she thinks she's better than the husband so let's listen to what John Deloney says to this preamble this woman says nothing about like irreparable damage between their relationships she says it's just some communication issues listen to how he handles this before we get to that brown apple says at this point uh his marriage counseling sounds like tech support have you tried turning the marriage off and on again wait dude you're that's that's that's gonna be exactly what he does it's worse it's way worse but yeah it's a funny joke is that okay yeah yeah now that you have this cataract of alcohol pulled from your eyes are you finding yourself not liking this guy or not respecting this guy that an alcohol his drinking has become the thing that you laser in on because it gives you permission to just like I don't like this guy. Yeah probably a little bit okay what up in court they call that leading the witness leading the witness dude that's all I kept thinking like he's putting words in her mouth she didn't say at all she's calling for a totally different thing and he is dude this woman's gonna get off the phone you can get over her husband and say and say John Deloney John Deloney told me we need to have a talk okay like I can't I can't you you can get women to agree to anything with this order like I could get my wife to tell me that I need a ten thousand dollar gun with questions like this like all right go ahead I want what I want you to do is to and I know this is a core part of AA but be careful of the judgment part yeah and take more honest stock and um I've spent this many years with a guy that maybe I blame my drinking on my teaching job but it may have been more for my home life too what at no point did she ever say she hinted at this every second that he talks it gets worse and worse I'm telling it's we're just building up here.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:58

It gets so much worse so the question you have before you is it and again I'm making this overly simple because we have a short time together but really you're gonna get down to an or what question or an or what statement.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:20

I need this or I'm gonna stay I'm not gonna leave you or I need us to rebuild our marriage and the way we interact with each other's gotta transform and here's what that is going to look like here's what I want from you and I need you to tell me what you want from me um or I'm gonna leave what this woman's like she's calling up and she's really asking like how do I deal with my husband having fun when I can't have fun that's actually why she's calling she's calling to ask him look my husband's still out to have fun and I can't have fun and I'm having a hard time with it and he's like you need to sit him down and tell him you're gonna do this or I'm gonna leave she really she's really asking like how do I have fun without drinking yes like that's literally why she's calling she's calling because it's her issue I'm a stick in the mud and my husband's not and he's able to have like a normal healthy drink or two and be okay what do I do you need to sit him down and you need to say to him I'm gonna leave you if you don't do what I say like that's literally what he's telling her. This is the most insane dude it gets worse and worse. Like as this call goes on he just keeps saying things she's not asking she'll even like later on he gets so bad that she's like well okay so wait like he actually has a point with some of this stuff like she has to push back on this psychopath because he's making her husband have to seem like this this insanely bad guy that she just has no respect for anybody she never said anything about not respecting this guy or anything like the guys outwork Working and all right, let's keep going.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:02

Also, I'm pretty sure even in every like liberal-coded communication lesson I've ever learned, they tell you not to make ultimatums. Ultimatums are bad.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:12

But yeah, well, dude, especially if the husband's like calls her bluff, right? Like if the husband's like, What you know what? You're right, woman. You're boring. Yeah, you are a stick in the mud. I want to go have beer have beers with my friends. You're annoying. All right, keep going.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:29

Anything other than those answering those questions in that way is theater. It's extra energy spent.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:36

It's extra imagine spending extra energy on saving your marriage.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:43

So, like, right off the bat, like, uh yeah, I'm raging at this, right? But this guy, you're taking people's calls who are vulnerable and they're married, and you'll I don't know how far we're gonna get into the clip, but she ends up telling him that she has three kids. Like the thought of John going, okay, wait, how do we like make sure the marriage is okay and the children don't lose their parents, right? Like, that doesn't even dawn on his head in his head. His thing he goes right to, you need to sit your husband down and tell him you're going to leave. Instead of every call where you get a woman calling in, him looking at it and saying, Okay, well, let's try to see this from the other. Because therapy is only going to work if your therapist is helping you see the other person's point of view and their perspective and finding your own faults. Not some woman calling up, you have absolutely no backstory, you don't know anything about the husband or his side of the story, and you're automatically siding with her and telling her he's the problem when you know absolutely nothing about this, not any accountability on her part for anything.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:46

Pro truth says, I think that he gets off on breaking up marriages. He might. I think he, yeah, I think so too.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:52

He might like there's a there's a chance that he does, and he'll say he'll say things like, Well, I never advocate for for a divorce, but like he literally does all the time. So let's keep going.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:03

I think he's probably deeply unhappy in his own relationship and wants to spread it.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:07

It's very possible. I don't know. Stories you're making up in your head, on your drive to work, on your way home, right? It's all of those imaginary conversations you're having with him over and over again. Right? It's all a waste of time and energy and effort.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:22

Yeah. Considering your words is a waste of time and energy.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:29

I if I do though if I do try to have those direct conversations and there's he's like to a lot of times it's I don't want to deal with this right now, I'm so tired. And I'm just like, well then when, you know.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:50

Yeah, the only way I've seen those things be successful is or these interactions be successful is when somebody puts a date on a calendar and the other person agrees to show up. With the understanding of we need to have some big conversations about where who we are now and where we're headed. Yeah. And I do understand that it builds for you and it builds for you, and you've done a lot of white knuckling over the last 10 months. Have you been going to meetings?

SPEAKER_01 1:09:22

Um, no, I did a different program.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:25

Okay, okay. Um you've been doing a lot of work.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:28

It's been good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So you've been doing a lot of work, years of work to get to the point where yeah, I'm at peace with this decision.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:35

Perfect. So you've been doing a ton of work. It's easy to sit in the seat of judgment on somebody who hasn't gotten there yet. Yeah. Or I know lots of uh usually men, but have gotten sober and their wives still have a glass of wine. Like, and because it doesn't make them less joyful. In fact, it makes them more fun, right? So, and it's annoying to my friends to quit drinking. And I've I've had conversations late at night with guys who are like, I wish I could have one beer and it made me fun. Yeah, yeah. Why is his YouTube plaque so big?

SPEAKER_03 1:10:09

Um, because I think it's uh he's got millions. I think it's I think it's a one million. Somebody just said his plaque is way bigger than I was gonna I was gonna say to you it that it it really pisses me off that dude's got a gold plaque, he's got a he's got a giant gold plaque. You know how we said we'd get to a hundred thousand and not care about subs. Yeah, I think we gotta beat this douche.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:34

That is a pretty cool plaque, I'll say that. So like all the things he's saying, um I want to get to where she actually backs off, and she's like, Well, you know, he does so. Basically, she's like, I keep trying to have these conversations, and he's like, it's not a good time. So this guy he goes out to work, he's busting his ass all day. He comes home, plays with his three kids, and then they're about to lay down. The guy's probably exhausted, and she wants to unburden the world to him, and he's probably just like, Are we really like, really? It's 10 o'clock at night. I gotta wake up at 4 a.m. That might be something that I've said in my own marriage. Who knows? Like, no, dude, I know my wife has learned not to bombard me with things that need to be done around the house when I get home from work. Like, it's just not a good time. You know, I I just sat in two hours of traffic coming home. I need to come home. Don't talk to me until I go take a shower and decompress. Like, I'm not capable of a heavy conversation when I walk in the door. It's just I just sat in traffic for two hours. I just dealt with, I was up at 4 a.m. I did all that crap. So she's she knows now. Don't ask me something on a show night, and don't ask me something right when I walk in the door.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:44

Otherwise, she'll be sleeping on the couch.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:46

It's not, it's not, you're not wrong, not even a slight exaggeration. She will sleep on the couch if she does that. No, but she's also very respectful of it because she's like, she knows I'm killing myself, and she knows on show nights, like before like when I get home from work, I'm scanning Twitter looking for stuff to talk about on the show, like last-minute stuff, always. So when we first started doing the show, that would usually turn into something because she'd be trying to talk to me and I'd be looking at my phone, and I'd eventually we had I had to just have a conversation with her, just say, look, Tuesdays and Thursday night, like I'm getting home. I need this is my job. I'm making $8.75 an episode. Like I have making nine dollars an episode here. I have to do this thing, okay? No, but we've figured it out, you know what I mean? It did lead to a bunch of arguments earlier on, though, when I for when we first started doing this, because I will I can't be present with her when I'm looking for stuff to do for the show. When it, you know, it's a job. So yeah, so she's bugging her husband right when he walks in the door. So, all right, we'll play a few more minutes or another minute or two, and we'll see.

SPEAKER_09 1:12:49

The bigger issue here is I want to have a real conversation. You white knuckle it, you've done your work, it builds, it builds, and then a thing happens in your home, and you're like, I want to talk about this now. And he's like, dude, it's eight o'clock, it's nine o'clock. I don't want to have this conversation. And so by backing all the way out and saying, Okay, Saturday, I've and this is an ug. I get it. I've arranged child care. Saturday, you and I are going somewhere else. I've already set it up, and we need to have a hard conversation about the state of our marriage and where we're headed. And if he says no, I will not have that conversation.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:26

The part I'm waiting to get to is she's a teacher, so she's home for the summer. And when she's home for the summer, he goes out and works all day and he comes home and he sees the house messy, and he's like, What did you do all day? The house is a disaster. And then and and in her and she's like, Well, I'm not capable of cleaning the house. Like, this is listen to how she sets it up when she gets there. It's like she's home all day with the kids, it's summertime, she's got nothing going on. The husband's out working all day, and when he comes home, the house is upside down. And he's just like, What did you do all day?

SPEAKER_03 1:14:03

Imagine having three children of your own and deciding your life is better spent teaching other children, dude.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:10

Um well, she typically gets to go to school and not deal with it. But when when she's home for the summer, this well, I know, but that's what it I that's what I think. Yeah, yeah, because I think she would rather be at work because she's not because then she could make him help with the house chores. But when she's home alone and he's working all day, she doesn't do the house chores.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:14:30

Then you have been given a path in front of you. Yeah. You're gonna have to make peace with the answer to your or what statement.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:38

This is no or what statement. He's concocting. Yeah, I think that's the part that's kind of it's scary. Holding me back a little bit.

SPEAKER_09 1:14:44

Well, yeah, it's right, because there's a reality to this, and that's why I'm saying, like the rest of it is just theater. Yeah, it's a way to to to burn off a bunch of emotional energy and never solve the core problem. And what you'll what that does is it tills the soil for resentment. And really, both of you or were kind of complicit in avoiding the core issue, which is I want this and this and this, or I don't want to be married to you anymore.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:18

What she never said anything like that. She never said, I want this and this, and or I don't want to be he's throwing these terms in there that she never even remotely hinted at. This is the most insane freaking advice I've ever heard in my life from this guy. Can you skip ahead and see the words where she talks about um ADD? She's like, uh, well, I have ADD. Hey, wait, disorganized conversation or something. Wait, try there. Let's see.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:54

Every time I try to really back up like five to ten seconds.

SPEAKER_09 1:16:01

We need to have this conversation.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:04

Yeah. I think every time I try to really focus in on that conversation, or granted I haven't done it maybe at the best times, and that could it really could be she's admitting that she hasn't done it at the best times.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:19

She's hitting him, she's getting him after he comes home from work and he's like exhausted. As simple as that.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:24

Um a lot of it is just he doesn't want to have the conversation because he doesn't want to hurt my feelings or things that we I have ADHD and I work really hard. I've created some really good systems to help me not be so like messy or disorganized. But some of the expectations he has are just beyond what I'm capable of doing.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:46

And I've tried to be that blunt and just not to make excuses, but like I but you're literally making excuses. I have ADD, I can't clean the house. That's what she's about to say.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:00

Go ahead, just play with because he's I have ADD and somehow I stayed 40% focused in on this show for two hours.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:12

That's not how my brain works, and I just don't I don't I don't know if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:15

Well, give me give me an example because if you if you were to play clips and you're wondering why you're only making $9 an episode.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:28

That's a funny one.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:30

Hold on, she's got ADD so bad. And yet she thinks she can teach kids. Like she thinks she she thinks she can control a whole classroom. She can control a whole classroom, but she can't.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:46

She's not a childhouse, but she yeah, she's responsible for children. I want, I want, I want to get to just that one, but I'm sorry, guys.

SPEAKER_09 1:17:51

Please GPT to draw a picture of somebody with ADHD, it would draw me. Right. So give me an example of a thing you can't do versus, and this is hard to say out loud to someone that you're trying to rebuild your marriage with. I don't want to.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:07

Yeah, that is probably a little bit of both. So, you know, during the summer, I'm home, obviously, with our three children. We live out in the country. So we've got cows and animals and all the things. Um, and so we're busy. We don't do a lot of screen time, and so the kids are very creative, they play all the time, and I do my very best to have them clean up, but then he gets home from work and it's like, what have you guys been doing all day? Just making a mess. That kind of a thing. Or it's like, no, we're actually like doing stuff all day. And in his perfect world, he comes home and everything is like super clean. And I'm like, we have three kids and we live in the country, and so he hasn't really a priority for me.

SPEAKER_09 1:18:51

Well, it's oh, there you go. Because here's the thing if your teaching job said you must, you would figure it out. Yeah, and so what you're really upset with is he is an unrealistic expectation of what it's like being out in the country with three kids in the summer.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:07

So, all right, we can wrap this up. What he said there just it's just nuts.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:13

Instead of why is her job allowed to have expectations, but her husband isn't, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:19:18

There you go, right? Like instead of him saying, like, okay, well, maybe your husband has a point. Like, is there some things you could do? Like, there's never any attempt to help the the woman calling to see that she might have some fault in the major problems that are going like to dude, there's nothing worse than confirming a woman in her psychosis of her being right, like that's the word that's literally every divorce that happens is because a woman tells her girlfriends, and the girlfriend's like, you need to leave him, and they confirm her in her delusion, and no one ever calls her to account.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:51

I have a friend at work going through that exact thing because some woman that his they're not married, but some woman that his spouse works with basically confirmed her and everything, and he got put all these ideas in her head, and now she thinks that you know that he can he he needs to move out, and um she'll just give him half of the equity on the house, even though the house is worth you know more than twice now what the than what they bought it for, that he'll just get half of the you know the 20,000 inequity that they put in the house, and and that's fair to him, and and they'll just be done. It's like wow lady, that's not how any of this works.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:32

Dude, it's just nuts when women have people confirming them in their wrong thing, they just like it just get I it's just so irresponsible and psychotic, and uh, I don't know. I I don't know why I listen to this idiot. It just sometimes a clip will pop up on my stupid YouTube and I hate watch it and I want to throw something at the screen, and it's just I don't know. I I don't know why I hate watch this guy, it's infuriating, but especially because I listen to him encourage divorce so often, and I'm just like, man, people really have absolutely no respect for the sanctity of marriage the quickest thing to just oh, you guys need to separate, you guys need to get divorced, and it's just I've I've watched too many divorces in my real life to not understand. Like, I I'll tell you what happens with these women, man. They think they're gonna have it better when they get divorced, and then they get divorced. The husband winds up moving on because all he wanted was a peaceful home life, so he finds another woman to give him that peaceful home life, and she winds up losing her mind because now you got three kids, you're 40-something years old, and nobody wants a 40-something-year-old with three kids, honey. Nobody, and you wind up devastated and upset, and you're just you regret every decision of your life, and then you just go around and you get and you wind up sleeping around with guys, like it's just you see this pattern over and over and over with all these women who think they're gonna do better when they leave their husband because they're not feeling fulfilled, or whatever the hell the problem is. It's like this guy goes to work, his wife's home with the kids all day. He has a reasonable expectation that she's gonna have things put a little bit in order. She's home with the kids all day. I've watched kids, it's not that tough. Like, it's really not that difficult to put to get the kids settled, give them a game to play, give them a task, and you could clean the kitchen while the kids are doing the task. Women, man. Oh, you guys, you guys, I feel bad for you guys with these modern women.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:28

You know, that that whole app that whole clip could have been 30 seconds long. You know, you could be like, Oh, wait, no, no, I I see the problem here. I think you just need to start drinking again, just a little bit.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:43

I think trying to solve all the issues. Clearly, all the problems in your marriage started when you stopped drinking, just go back to drinking and problem solved. She's a stick in the mud since she stopped drinking. That's the problem. Um, all right, what do you get? What do you want to cover next? We got we we still got a few minutes left.

SPEAKER_06 1:23:00

Um, not much, but uh let me see. We got yeah, I don't know. Maybe we wrap it

Freemason Sign And Family Generational Divide

SPEAKER_06 1:23:10

here, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:23:10

Well, so a couple weekends ago, I you know, drove down to the the Twin Cities. Oh yeah, let's visit my my uncle. We we were uh there a few hours before he ended up dying. So that was nice. We gotta sit and pray the rosary uh next to his his bed um a few hours before he died. So that was all good. But anyway, so we're staying in a hotel downtown St. Paul, the same hotel that that you stayed at, right? And uh we are getting ready to leave the hotel to go to mass on Sunday morning. And um there's you know, there in downtown St. Paul, there's a number of of homeless people, you know, that that are on the corners asking for money. And um my the way I tend to tend to feel about it is if I have cash on me, I'll I'll usually give it to them. And I I know the whole argument about you know, they'll probably spend it on drugs or alcohol or or whatever, but that's on them, right? Like, you know, we're called to to give to the poor. It's on them what they do to it, do with it. So so a guy's on the corner, a white guy, which is pretty rare for the homeless in downtown St. Paul. So I I you know we call him over to the van and I and we we give him cash, and he uh he walks back and he had a cardboard sign that was facing the other way. So he picks up the cardboard sign and turns it, and I read it, and it says, Hi, I'm a 32nd degree Freemason.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:35

I'm like, No, no, why would anybody have that on a sign? Like, who would give money to a Freemason? Like, first of all, you're so you're so bad at being a Freemason. Are you guys supposed to control the world? What a what a crappy Illuminati member. Oh no money.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:55

Oh, I was so pissed.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:57

I had uh I had an interesting thing happen to me this weekend, man. I realized how crazy the divide is between the generations this weekend, just in media consumption. Because like 10 years ago when Trump first got elected, so my family basically there's we don't have there's no liberals in my family. It's either conservatives who are paying attention to politics or people who just don't care about politics at all. Like, there's no liberals in my family, right? But I was thinking back to like a decade ago when like when Trump first got elected, and I'm with family members. I'm with one of my uncles. My uncle's like 70 years old, or like 68 or something. And we would have we were so excited when Trump was getting elected and stuff. It was like we had this commonality because we consume the same media. He's and he's a he's a Catholic, like he's a like a devout Catholic, you know. And he's like, you know, he's like, did you see the uh did you see the um did you see Vance on Fox News, man? He's like he was on with Gutfeld, he did so good, and he's like going on and on about how great Vance is and he's Catholic and all this.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:05

And I'm just like I didn't have the heart to like to completely destroy.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:12

Yeah, I wasn't like dude, I just didn't have the heart to be like, oh, dude, Palantir, man, and like the I didn't want to do the Jewish question with him. Like, I just didn't want to do any of it. I was just like, yeah, Vance, yeah, man, Vance is probably gonna be great, you know? And then my freaking dad later on is sitting there and he's telling me about how he wants to spend every dollar of his retirement before he dies. And I'm like, like, do I want to go into this and start calling him a selfish boomer and arguing with him? And I was just like, you know what, dad? I'm like, Yeah, don't be such a dude. I'm like, spend it all, dad. Spend I'm like, you do it, man. Go live, go live your life, man. Go live your life. Go ahead. Like, it in reality, look, there's nine kids, right? Like, I don't care what he leaves behind. You whack it up nine ways, it's not that much. Yeah, but like, I'm like, the generational divide is so freaking insane. Like, my I mean, but no idea the conversations the younger generation is having about boomers, they have no idea the conversation we're all having about politics, any of it. They're just they have such a different media diet and they have such a different outlook on life than anybody younger than them. They don't, they just it's just crazy, man. I was just like, but I didn't want to fight with anybody, so I was just like, I just went along with everything. I was like, I had to make the decision to just have a peaceful family this weekend, and I just I was like, Yeah, love you guys, it's great. JD Vance, Dad, spend your money, let's go.

Funeral Boundaries And Next Show Plans

SPEAKER_03 1:27:43

So remember the horror stories about my grandma's funeral. So my my uncle died, and he has funerals gonna be at the same parish, same priest, all the same family members. Yeah, so now I'm going to have to make an Announcement beforehand and be like, hey, cousin so-and-so. Remember how you uh took the Eucharist last time and then walked away with it? And we had to check with you to make sure you ate it. You're not going up this time. You stay in the damn pew. You should have a talk.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:14

Like, I'm gonna have to. I'm thinking about like writing something uh that's to be read at my funeral. Like I really am. I'm thinking about writing something that's to be read at my funeral will to be in my will that says I don't want I don't want uh I don't want like a homily at the at the funeral about how great of a person I was.

SPEAKER_03 1:28:37

I want everybody oh hold on since you're uh a couple of years older than me at least, I expect to be alive, so I got it. Yeah, don't worry. I want to show you nothing about I want a eulogy at my funeral mass, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:28:56

I don't want a eulogy at my funeral mass, and I want like something thoroughly, I want some thorough cats catechesis read to those in attendance about the proper way of receiving communion, but like my family knows like I want like I don't I'm I'm not to be uh it's not gonna be a novice ordo funeral. Like I want I want the whole freaking what's it called? A um requiem, a requiem mass and stuff, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:22

I want the DS E Ray, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:25

Yeah, yeah, and I know I know a couple of priests in my life well enough now that I know they'll look out for me and they won't they won't allow my my wife to to drop the ball on it.

SPEAKER_03 1:29:36

For all the issues between me and my dad, I at least am so happy that I was able to give him a good you know traditional requiem assembaro.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:47

Yeah, it was in your capability to do, so it's like you know, you were you were the son handling that stuff. So um yeah, yeah, man. It's just getting nuts. Uh all right, we'll wrap this one up because I really do need a decent night's sleep tonight because I felt like garbage all week. But uh, are we doing rare Navarum Tuesday?

SPEAKER_03 1:30:12

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:13

All right, you will send you stuff tomorrow and I'll and I'll I'll get it read. Um Monday we'll decide if we're gonna break it into two or just do it in one.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:23

Yeah. Next week, not next week, the week after Tuesday the seventh. I have to go down for my uncle's funeral, so I won't be able to be on that show.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:35

Okay, maybe do you uh do you I'll get a co-host.

SPEAKER_03 1:30:40

Now I'm we're I'm good driving to and from in one day, so we could do a Monday night or Wednesday night.

SPEAKER_04 1:30:49

Yeah, we can do that. We can change the schedule up, or I could get a co-host, whatever you want to do. You can get a host, yeah. Yeah, we'll we'll figure that out. Um, I do want to get Alex Poe on. I do want to get American Reform back on to do the race conversation.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:02

I want to be part of that for sure.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:03

That's what I was gonna ask.

SPEAKER_03 1:31:04

And I want to be, I want to be, I want to be on with Alex because I've never talked to him.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:08

Yeah. Um, all right, so I'll maybe all right. So we'll do Rare Mavarm Tuesday. Maybe I'll see if Alex is free Thursday. We'll get Alex on Thursday, and then I'll see American Reform. I would like to get on because I I actually was thinking about like doing that conversation tonight because I want to talk about your truck video that you put out, and that would be a good episode to do that all in and like talk about like dude. I I don't know, man. I just think they're trying to they're trying to drum up a race war, man. It's like it definitely feels that way, and it's not that hard to do because the tensions are already there, and it's get it's getting bigger. Yeah. So, but all right, we will see you guys on Tuesday. Read up on Rareum to borum. This is gonna be a good one.