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One Man Praying for Death Finds Purpose And Builds The Good Contractors List. The First Ever Good Contractor $25,000 Guarantee!

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What if the moment you feared most became the doorway to a life you actually want? John Stewart Hill takes us from a performance-driven faith and a string of personal losses to a 2 a.m. heart attack that forced a choice: go or stay. He chose to stay—and built a movement that protects homeowners and elevates honest tradespeople through The Good Contractors List, where every job is backed by a $25,000 guarantee.

We dig into the origin story that started with a yellow legal pad and zero safety net, and the counterintuitive bet that standing between homeowners and contractors could reduce fear, prevent disputes, and restore trust. John explains how rigorous vetting, FBI-grade verification tools, and proactive follow-up transformed a risky idea into a reliable, scalable system that has backed billions in work. He also shares what most people miss about contractor horror stories, why third-party mediation changes outcomes, and how integrity over optics wins in the long run.

The conversation goes deeper than business. John talks about grace over performance, the voice that told him purpose was waiting if he stayed, and the 2022 heart transplant that connected him to a donor family he now honors with every day he’s given. We unpack how faith guides his decisions, why he still refuses to leave God out of the story, and the surprising way he’s helping people find local house churches through a free online directory. Along the way, you’ll hear a turbo-boost first car tale, a tense border detainment on the way to Niagara Falls, and the simple life advice he uses to stay grounded: live in the present, trust deeply, and serve others.

If you want a practical blueprint for building trust, leading with purpose, and making hard promises you’re proud to keep, this ride is for you. 

You can find The Good Contractors List at https://www.thegoodcontractorslist.com

SPEAKER_01:

Welcome to Dan the Road Trip Guy. I'm your host Dan, and each week we'll embark on a new adventure, discovering memory and life lessons of our incredible guests. From everyday travelers to thrill seekers and everyone in between, this podcast is your front road seat to inspiring stories of passion, resilience, and the pursuit of happiness. So buckle up and enjoy the ride. I am confident you're going to enjoy today's episode. My guest is John Hill. John is the founder of the GoodContractorslist.com. It's a place where homeowners can find good contractors, and John's company backs the job with a$25,000 guarantee. They've been in business for 14 years. But the interesting thing about John's story is he once asked God just to take him from this planet. But God had a totally different plan for John's life, and John has been living a life on purpose ever since. Again, I believe you're going to enjoy this episode, and be sure to stick around for John's advice at the end. Welcome to the show, John. Very good to be here. Thanks, Dan. Thank you for the opportunity to talk to you. We don't know each other, but we're going to after this uh little virtual road trip we're on. So take a couple minutes and just tell my listeners who is John Hill?

SPEAKER_00:

Oh well, that's kind of a loaded question. Um, but yeah, you know, I I feel like I'm a guy that that has gotten a second chance to do something good. I'm a man of purpose now. Um I used to be the guy that that uh would look at his past and and be disappointed and look at his future and not really see anything bright. And today I'm the guy that uh am happy to be here present. I know that I have purpose in every minute of my day, and I live my life um with gratitude. So that's that's who I am right now.

SPEAKER_01:

That's great. And we'll get to the details in a moment. This is Day on the Road Trip Guy John, and first question out of the gate is always tell me about your first car or a funny car story.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, I was raised in a pretty low-income family. My mom babyset for a living, and my dad worked at a gas station for$3 an hour. So I really didn't have a lot of funds to buy a great car, and um, so I ended up selling a lamb that I was raising for FFA, and I made enough money to buy uh a real awesome junk. It was it was it was it was 1969 Chevy Nova green. It was the ugliest thing you ever saw. And what what what I loved about it is that yeah, I mean the engine had so many miles on it, it was so ready to break down when I first bought it. That I used to do this thing with my friends in the car and I go, turbo boost, and then I would hit the gas, and it would take like three or four seconds before it actually realized I'd pushed the gas pedal, and then it would just go. So uh that it's a great memory, though. It was a it was a fun first car. It was it was automatic and uh and it did have turbo boost. I just had to slam my foot on the gas really fast and hesitate and rock.

SPEAKER_01:

Now, the interesting thing is if you had that car today, it'd probably be worth a little bit.

SPEAKER_00:

It might be. I mean, it it wasn't worth much back then, though.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, that's good. Well, thank you for sharing that. Tell me about an epic road trip or just a road trip that just stands out in your mind. Do you have one of those?

SPEAKER_00:

Well, really, I I I I do. And and I had it didn't take long to figure it out. A few years ago, I went on a ministry trip uh where we were doing an all-night uh worship session, and then we were out in Buffalo, New York, and we decided we wanted to go see Niagara Falls. So I'd never been to Canada. Um, we're in a car full of people, there's like three or four or five of us in there. I can't remember how many exactly. Um, and we start to go uh across the border at Canada, and like we don't have to have passports. He goes, Oh no, as long as you have the new Texas driver's license, you can get you can uh get across. Well, it was bad information. And we get up to the gate, and then they they say, Okay, we need to detain you. And they they literally, because we didn't have none of us had passports, we all showed our Texas IDs and and they looked at us like we were stupid. Stupid Americans, get over here into Canada, and they put that so that we had to pull off on the side of the road, um, down by the police station. They came and took all of our IDs, disappeared, and uh we were we were pretty scared. We were like, I don't even know how we're gonna get out of here. And so they they actually called it detaining us, and I was like, Oh no, we're we're gonna be put in jail or something. So we sat there for so we sat there for a minute, and it it was probably about a good hour, they just let us sit there. And uh they finally came back out, handed us all of our driver's license, and I said, and and he goes, Okay, you're free to go. And I'm like, So how do we get back out of here? And uh and they they were like, Well, you don't want to see Niagara Falls? Yeah, I'm like, Well, I thought you said we could. And he's like, No, we used your IDs to to do background checks on y'all. So we ended up getting to go see Niagara Falls, but we were all just sitting there shaking, like, what's gonna happen? We need to call our families and tell them we're detained in Canada.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, come and get us. Yeah. Fun story. Thank you. Yeah, we had a uh we had a brief conversation, and you were telling me about uh a time in your life when you'd just kind of given up, is I guess is the best way to put it, maybe. Yeah, take me there.

SPEAKER_00:

I was I was raised in a in a Pentecostal church. I don't know if you know too much about uh the Pentecostal um denomination, but it it's very strict. And uh so part of that is that I really never felt like I could live up to the potential of being what I was supposed to be. I could never be perfect. The way I understood it, it was black and white to me. If I get to heaven and there's a mark on my book, it's sorry, see you later, you're going the other place, you know. And so and so when by the time I got to be a teenager and and started realizing that, you know, I I knew the Bible. I was listening to this, I was listening to those sermons. And if I even think something bad, it's just as bad as committing adultery. And you know, so I had all these things going through my mind. And so I lived a life kind of based on performance. I always looked at that the past and going, oh my gosh, you know, I'm the worst Christian, I'm a bad example, I'm never gonna make it to heaven. By the time I was 42, I'd been divorced three times. I uh never really had a career that I was able to pull together. You know, I worked odd jobs and and uh worked in sales, uh selling yellow pages at the time. I was selling coupons um into you know those envelopes that that they send the coupons. And so I was selling those and just feeling like an absolute loser, you know. Uh I wouldn't know if I was a Christian anymore. Um, I basically was homeless and and had moved in with my girlfriend. And so for two months uh in the beginning of 2011, I just I prayed that God would take me off this planet. I was like, you know, I don't want to be, I don't want to commit suicide. You know, that's that's a straight ticket there, but God, I don't want to be here anymore. And I prayed that that he would take me. And um, and so at that place, February 4th of 2011, um, I actually ended up having a heart attack. It it was unexpected. I thought I was in pretty decent shape. And so I was taken to the hospital, and in this whole process, I felt like God said, Well, John, do you want to stay or do you want to go? And he gave me that choice. But there was part of me that I could hear, you know, we don't hear audible voices most of the time. I mean, I mean, I guess it's possible, but it was such a strong voice inside that it didn't seem to be coming from me at all. And it was a it was, and this is what I kept hearing over and over in my head. If you decide to stay, I'll be with you and I'll give you a purpose. And there at my lowest, I had that opportunity to repent and and have a clean record. You know, I was like, I'm about to die. If I choose to die right now, I'll die with a clean record. But I really felt like he wanted me to stay, so I made I made a deal with him. And I said, okay, God, I'll stay if that's all right with you. And uh, but I don't want to be the same guy that I've been. I want to I want to be remembered for doing something good. I want to live every day, not just be alive. And I want to touch as many lives as I can the rest of the time that I'm on this planet. And and even louder than the voice that was saying, I'll be with you, I heard so be it. It was it rang in my ears. And this is during a big freeze, so it took an hour for the cardiologist to get in. This is two o'clock in the morning.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

Um, so nobody was expecting me to live. And he came in, I had a 100% blockage in one artery, uh, 95% blockage in the other artery. And he's like, I don't even know if I can fix this. But I uh he said, I may have to crack you open. I don't I don't know what to do. And he goes, I'm gonna try stents first. And so he he went up there, put in stents, and it actually worked. And so blood returned to my body. My heart was tragically like scarred, you know, critically scarred. Uh they had to put in a pacemaker defibrillator to keep me alive because it was 40 to 50 percent heart damage. But that's what I walked out of the hospital with all those things behind me, with one thing in mind: God's gonna be with me, even though I've not lived a perfect life. I know he's here, and he says he'll give me a purpose. So I believe him. And so ever since then, I've lived my life knowing every day that I could go and I'd be happy as as old uh as I could be. But if I'm here, I'm still here for a purpose.

SPEAKER_01:

He talked about performance and and rules and um Do you think a lot of people that grew up in the church they heard that and maybe that's hampered their their faith walk. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, I think so, because um, you know, grace is so amazing. Like, you know, I mean amazing grace, but but it is, I mean, it's it he doesn't look at our performance. Our righteousness is solely dependent on who lives in us, right? So so I don't have to worry about if I make a mistake now that now I have to wallow in it or I have to give up or any of those things. I already know that I've been made righteous because Christ lives in me and I have faith in him. Um, and the Bible clearly says that we have been crucified with Christ. We no longer live, but it's Christ who lives in us, and we live by faith in him who loved us and gave his life for us. In that, I put all my faith. So, good, bad, ugly, it doesn't matter. I'm righteous because of who I have faith in, and because he is the one who is my righteousness. So yeah, it's a different line.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, very different. Well, we'll uh we'll switch gears a little bit. Thank you for that. You started, you're the founder, and I believe ambassador is what's listed on your website of the good contractors list. Did I get that? Yes, sir. That's right. That was intriguing when I saw that and how you've built that, where did the idea come from? Just take us on that whole journey.

SPEAKER_00:

So, you know, after the hospital, I came back, not knowing what it was I was gonna do. I was selling coupons, never owned a business, didn't have any money, didn't have any experience, didn't have education, like everything uh that you would expect from someone who's going to start and and have a successful business, you'd have to have all those things, right? But I didn't. All I knew is that I had a purpose. And so while I was working selling these coupons, uh I was talking with a plumber that that said, you know what, I I can't really afford to do this whole program by myself, but I have an electrician and a roofer that I trust with all I have. And I would I would be willing to share an ad with them. And so all I can say is it it was like God downloaded the plan into my mind. Like I saw it. I was like, well, and it really just started out because I was trying to sell a coupon. I was like, well, what if we built a website where you're the only plumber, you're the only, you know, and and we could we could make a group of good contractors that all trust each other, and then y'all can go in together and buy ads. Every day after that, I just kept getting more and more downloads that this is what I'm supposed to do. And I'm like, I've never been chosen for management. What do you mean I'm gonna go out and start a company? I don't know what I'm doing. I don't have any money, you know, and but I knew it was God, and I said, you know what? I'm gonna do it. And so I went to my boss. I was an outside cell selling coupons, and I had the opportunity to test it out to see if I could sell this while I was getting paid uh by this other company. But I was like, that's not the right thing to do. It that's not integrity. I went in and I quit my job. We had no money in the bank, no savings. I had one more paycheck coming to me, and I walked out with a yellow legal pad and a pen and went and started talking to contractors and started sharing with them the download God had given me, this way that I could separate the good guys from the bad guys. And what was even funnier is I said, and we're gonna guarantee your work. Like we're gonna put a guarantee on your work that uh that if you don't do what you're supposed to do, then then I'm gonna have to pay. And I'm like, I don't even know where this money's gonna come from because I don't have any. You know, but this is the vision I'm that I've been given. And you know, it's like all I can say is it had God's favor on it from day one. People saw it. There's nobody in in the nation that has ever tried to guarantee a contractor's work and actually stand between a homeowner and a contractor. It's like, yeah, it's I've I had so many people saying that's the dumbest business plan I've ever heard. You can you're limited on who you can bring in and you're putting yourself at risk on every job they do. That's ridiculous. I said, Well, that's what God told me, so I'm gonna go do it, you know? And so I didn't listen to all the smart people, you know. I went out there and started talking to contractors, and they got on board with me. And this is in 2011. We actually started the good contractors list on 111111. Wow. So we just had our 14th year, we had our fourth annual 10-year dinner, and so we have people who I walked in with a notepad that are still with me today here in the DFW area. And uh, and God has just blessed it, and we are now going national, which um just blows my mind. And and what is so exciting about being able to be on podcasts like this is that now anywhere in the United States, uh, we can start building safe contractor communities like we have here in DFW. So I'm really excited about it.

SPEAKER_01:

Maybe you those first uh those first guys that signed on with you and you had this uh guarantee, did you tell them, hey, try to make sure you do a great job? Of course, I don't have any money.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. Exactly. Well, that's the whole point. And you know, uh after 14 years of being between a homeowner and contractors, I'm finding that there's a lot more good contractors out there uh than we know. And a lot of guys that get labeled bad um are not bad contractors. And what really happens is that because there's so many horrible horror stories out there, homeowners go into any kind of contracting uh job feeling like, oh I got, I hope I don't end up being one of those horror stories. I hope I'm not made a fool of, you know, and and that's really people uh don't want to be that person that fell for it. Right. And so what I've been able to do is see that with a with a third party in between a homeowner and contractor, just us being there and being because we get involved. Like if there's a problem, we get involved. And matter of fact, we've backed over five billion dollars worth of work to date. Yeah, so it's been it's been quite a ride. 99 plus percent of issues that escalate into really bad things are you it are fixed by there being someone else there that the homeowner can count on. And with us guaranteeing every job with a$25,000 guarantee, it really takes a lot of stress off the homeowner. Okay, well, if you're still willing to let those guys work here, you know, yeah, some life happened, you know, and that's usually what happens is nobody's perfect, and uh there's not a perfect contractor out there. Um, but but there's a lot of honest guys that have integrity that will make sure that the job gets done right. And that's and that's who I'm looking for, the guy that just will do the right thing every single time. And there's a lot of good contractors out there. That's who we that's who we back. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I assume you have a pretty thorough vetting process then.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, uh, yes, sir. Yeah, I I did get burnt once early in the in the game because they had someone else pose as the owner of the company. Um, and the actual owner was kind of a well, he was a thief. Nothing nothing better to say than that. Um, and so we invest now and we we pay$2,800 a month for FBI level software that we know who owns this company, we know where they worked before, we know who they're associated with, who their friends are. I mean, it's like it's crazy how much information is in that kind of software, but we make sure that these are the guys who are on the up and up. They didn't shut down a business to start a new one and say, I've been in business for 15 years, you know. So, yes, we've gotten really good at the process, but the follow-up is just as important. So we call every homeowner back. If they've called through our system, we we have a tracking number and and we call every homeowner back to make sure they were taken care of. And it's just been a great system. But I think what really separated it more than anything is that the contractors got it. I mean, they understood that they were being separated into a a group of other good contractors and they felt safe. And so, you know, when being the voice of truth between homeowners and contractors, there's been times that I've had this that I've stepped in and other contractors we've stepped in, saw that the job was great, and that it was the homeowner trying to work over the contractor. Unfortunately, there's just as many, if not more, unscrupulous homeowners. Well, I mean, just sure, you know, just per capita, you know, than there are contractors. And so um, it's nice being that person in the middle. And as soon as both sides see where the truth is, the contractor gets paid, or they end up fixing whatever the issue was, and we move on.

SPEAKER_01:

Thanks for sharing that. I was really anxious to hear about your business model, and we wish you all success as you move across the country. Yeah, thank you. Yeah, it's uh it's gonna be really neat. You've mentioned your faith a few times. You grew up in church and it's been a part of your life. How does that play out today in the business or just in your personal life?

SPEAKER_00:

Everything I've done from day one has literally been by what I felt led in my heart to do. You know, in the last year we we've we brought on real business people because I I I never considered myself a business person. I actually, I actually even won an award one time for entrepreneur of excellence uh in the Fort Worth Business Magazine. I didn't I didn't submit myself for it. Somebody did, and and they saw what I was doing and said, this is so I won an award to be an entrepreneur. And on the way home, I was like, babe, I'm an entrepreneur. Like I never even, I was just like, I'm just doing what God wants me to do, you know. And so I didn't even, it never dawned on me, it like just never hit me that I'm an entrepreneur. Faith has been the only thing I've been able to lean on. I don't have business experience. All the decisions I made was based on what vision he gave me. And so that's why we have the only resource in America that that has all the contractors backed by$25,000 guarantee. Because it no businessman would have ever tried to do that. But now I've got business people in and they're laughing. You know, they're like, John, you've got to change your contracts. He goes, You don't have anything legally binding in these contracts. I'm like, Well, I know I I typed them up on Word 15 years ago. So it's funny because when when you see that I that we've managed to be successful for 14 years, and and real people real business people come in here and go, How did this happen? And I'm like, it has to be God because I I can't take credit for any of it. And that's and that's why I just like I I can't even get on one of these podcasts and and leave God out of it. I wish I could, I wish I was that smart, you know. I really wish I could say, Oh, well, you know, after 20 years of doing all the you know the business stuff and and working my way to the top of the ladder, I started my own company. No, I was at the bottom of the ladder, about as far as you can go with no experience. So, no, I trust God.

SPEAKER_01:

Good. Thank you for sharing that. Anything fun on your uh life to-do list? I used to say bucket list, and people would be like, I don't have a bucket list. So anything fun you want to just do sometime with you or you?

SPEAKER_00:

I I think this is fun. You know, I I I've always wanted to um, you know, like I said, I wanted to live, I wanted to be remembered for doing something good, live every day, and touch as many lives as possible. And every opportunity that I get to inspire someone, encourage someone, because gosh, I've been at the bottom. I know what it feels like, and I know that God can change your life. And so every opportunity that I get to do that, so right now I'm having the most fun I think I've had in I don't know when, being able to be on programs like yours and and getting to uh and just maybe there's somebody listening that needed to hear this. And so I I think this is the funnest thing I could do. Good.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, I'm certainly glad uh we linked up. I said early on we didn't know each other, but we've had a couple conversations and they've just been fun. They've uh kind of made my day, and this is I think this is going to be a really good one to put out there for people. Thank you. I appreciate it. Imagine you could take a road trip today with anyone, living or deceased, who would it be? Where would you go? What would you talk about?

SPEAKER_00:

Oh man, you I mean, the the the easy answer is to say Jesus, right? It's like like I I you tell me what I'm supposed to do for the rest of my life, you know, that would be a great road trip. Thinking about this, I had a heart transplant in 2022.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

And um it was a uh I met the family. I would take I would bring him and take him to go see his parents. That's what I would do. Because I when I went and met them, I knew that they would rather be hugging their son, you know, but they loved me and they embraced me, and they're just wonderful people. I would love to be able to do that. I I would love to have the conversation and tell him, hey, look, this is what I'm doing with your heart. You know, this we're touching the world. His and his and and funny, it's it's really cool. Uh, another another God thing is their last name is Wackel. It's W-A-C-H-A-L. And uh, I looked it up, and that's Bohemian for watchman. And the young man's first name was Christian. So so I quite literally have the heart of a Christian watchman. And so it it further solidified that I am here for a purpose. You know, his death is tragic. He was young, he was 28 years old. Okay. And uh but he didn't, but he didn't die in vain. You know, his heart is powering me, and I get to do every day, get to go out and do something that will honor him. And I truly believe this that every person that I do touch that ends up in heaven will be accredited to him. That's just the way I feel about it.

SPEAKER_01:

Wow. Yeah, yeah. You probably might not be here.

SPEAKER_00:

I may not be here. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So you got a you got a pretty young heart. So uh God might keep you around a long time there, my friend.

SPEAKER_00:

He might. I I'm I'm here until my purpose is fulfilled. That's just how I look at it. Yeah, it could be today.

SPEAKER_01:

Thanks for sharing that. So we're we're nearing the end of our virtual road trip, but leave my listeners with some advice. Call it life advice if you want. You're obviously living on a purpose. What would you tell other people how to how to do the same thing you've managed to do? You're not a business guy, you've said that, yeah, but you're living a life on purpose. Yeah. What would you tell people?

SPEAKER_00:

There was one time I was laying in my bedroom, and uh this was way this is before we ever made it or anything, and we were kind of living in the hood, and I I was looking around at the walls, and I thought, if I can't be happy in this space, and it was just pretty normal room, then I'm not gonna be happy anywhere. And you know, these are things that God taught me along the way is if I can give any advice, stop looking at your past and and where you failed and how you messed up, God is ready to forgive you for all of that. And stop looking into your future and trying to decide is this gonna be good, is it gonna be bad? The best place for anyone, and and I I can speak from experience, is to put your faith in God. Also completely resign your will to let Him lead you to where He wants to take you. I'm not here for me. I didn't survive that heart attack for me. I'm here for a purpose, and that purpose is other people. So I can choose right now, in this moment, to be alive and grateful, or I can spend all my day long thinking, oh man, I really messed up back there. I'll never get over that divorce, I'll never get over that. I'll always be seen as this. I'm gonna be, you know, and then look in the future and go, I'll never be anything. And we we self-talk that. So live in the now, trust in God, and believe for good.

SPEAKER_01:

Great advice, John. Thank you. So before we leave, how do people find you? They find the good contractors list. I think you have another little endeavor too. I read it on your your profile there. Something about home church. So if you want to speak to that too.

SPEAKER_00:

Sure. Um, well, uh, I look at the good contractors list. It's not it's not a business. I well, it is a business, but I I look at it as a movement, and it really requires the work of everyone. We need homeowners that know good contractors that deserve to be recognized, that will refer them, and and we can start building safe contractor communities anywhere in the nation. So if you're a homeowner and you don't trust contractors and you may just know one that you trust, we start with them. Refer those contractors and let us help you start your safe contractor community. If you're a contractor listening to this and you're like, that's exactly the kind of community I want to be a part of, then go to the it's called thegoodcontractorslist.com. Um, homeowners can hit the refer a contractor button, and contractors can hit the become a good contractor button, and uh it'll give all the details of what we're looking for. We can't we can't just take anybody. So, you know, you have to have a steady business. And then about the house church thing, uh, and I don't want to go too much into detail, it's not too long, but in 2019, much like the directory I've built with with the good contractors list, God started talking to me about building a website for house churches. And I and I was like, this is 2019. I was like, why would anybody want to go to a house church when they there's all these great churches on every corner? And then a few months later, the world shut down, and every church just about, I mean, there were still ones that fought, but nearly every church in the world shut their doors. And I was like, okay, if this is a sign for what may to be to come, then I'll do it. Not really knowing much about the whole thought, I built a website called find a housechurch.com.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

People can go there, it's free. You can list your, you know, your house church. It won't give your address. It actually will just kind of like the good contractors list, they'll go on there and look for a house church and it'll say this one's six miles, this one's 3.1 miles, and then you can read more about it. It's kind of like a social media platform almost. So that's what that is. And so really people just take it in their own hands to share the gospel in their homes.

SPEAKER_01:

Cool. Yeah. Well, good. Well, thank you for sharing that. And again, I I can't thank you enough for coming on this uh virtual road trip.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, thanks for taking me down the road with you.

SPEAKER_01:

Thank you for tuning in to Dan the Road Trip Guy. I hope you enjoyed our journey today and the stories that were shared. If you have any thoughts or questions or stories of your own, I'd love to hear from you. Feel free to reach out to me anytime. Don't forget to share this podcast with your friends and family and help us to spread the joy of road trips and great conversations. Until next time, keep driving, keep exploring, and keep having those amazing conversations. Safe travels. And remember, you can find me on the internet at dantherroadtripguy.com.

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