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Waymo Prices Skyrocket & Riders Shrug 🤷 | DoorDash Driver Turns Car Into a Mobile Microwave 🍕| Ep 256
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Waymo Prices Skyrocket & Riders Shrug 🤷 | DoorDash Driver Turns Car Into a Mobile Microwave 🍕| Ep 256
Mo from Mo Side Hustles on TikTok joins the podcast to discuss the latest in gig work, including Waymo's pricing strategy, surprising DoorDash statistics, and a viral delivery driver story.
• Market Wagon provides a guaranteed income alternative to app-based gigs with farm-to-table deliveries
• Mo finds Uber Eats profitable in her area with high-paying quests despite GPS navigation issues
• Waymo charges about $10 more per ride than Uber/Lyft but customers still pay for the novelty of driverless cars
• A DoorDash driver with mobility issues went viral, resulting in a GoFundMe raising over $21,000
• 50% of DoorDash drivers are women, challenging common assumptions about delivery worker demographics
• Only 8% of gig workers operate full-time, while 92% use platforms as supplementary income
• Amazon Flex and Roadie offer alternative high-paying opportunities for those willing to strategize for surge pricing
• A Waymo vehicle's failure to yield to emergency vehicles demonstrates ongoing safety concerns with autonomous vehicles
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Hello, hello. Welcome to the Geek Economy Podcast, episode 256. We're going to talk about Waymo. Prices skyrocket and riders shrug and a DoorDash driver turns his car into a mobile microwave to keep shit warm, which is super weird. As you see, it's not larry tonight, it's mo. From mo side hustles on tiktok and, uh, larry is on vacation. He got an opportunity to go to florida and stay at a place for like free for the whole week, so he's down there nice and mo and I have, uh, collabed a little bit and we're I mean, I I feel like we're more than like gig creators.
Speaker 2:We're kind of. We have a friendship now because we vent to each other too.
Speaker 3:So about different things, you know about certain things and I know about certain things, and it just yeah yeah for sure, uh.
Speaker 2:Go to gig economy showcom for everything, uh, gig economy related, uh. And then I want to talk about our patreon members, which we can't thank enough uh samson from grand rapids, bud from north carolina, omar from detroit, delivery cats from michigan, frank from philly, tom from chicago, jim from connecticut, miguel from gr, linda from tamp, linda from Tampa and Jerry from Kentucky. If you want to join the Patreon, go to patreoncom. Slash the gig econ podcast. There you get an extra podcast a week, which we will not be doing a Patreon tonight. You get ad, free episodes and a bunch of other fabulous stuff. So check that out. If you want to become Whoops, that didn't work A member member, we would really appreciate it. Uh. And then telegram.
Speaker 2:Telegram is a group, uh, where I tried to get mo to join, but she didn't want to download another app because it would mess up her add uh, which is totally fine, totally fine, I love it, I love it and uh. But there you can vent with other gig workers around the country, in the world. We have people all over the place and I think we have 54 members in there, and you know we talk about gig work. We talk about the weather, which is storming here in Michigan. We talk about all kinds of stuff and it's just a good place to vent, you know, because no one knows our stuff.
Speaker 2:As Mo and I were talking earlier, she tried to talk to her boyfriend about it and he doesn't give a shit. Not that he doesn't give a shit, but he's like, okay, cool, I don't understand what you're talking about. And so, yeah, it's kind of one of those things, a great place to do that. All these things that we talk about, the links are all in the description. So, yeah, and what else? Oh, tiktok, we're streaming on tiktok and we'd love for you to join us there. And then mo is like famous, on tiktok, she actually did a wiki. Uh, uh, wiki, how how to doordash, I think. Is that what it was?
Speaker 3:yeah they.
Speaker 2:They decided that I was the doordash expert, which I don't know I mean getting their sources from, but yeah, yeah, and I think it's cool, I think that's amazing. And we were on a. I was on her show monday night and she got a troll. I'm like that's how you know you made it. That's how you know you made it, you get a troll. So, um, so, yeah, go to tiktok, follow us. Trying to grow that to a thousand followers. Um, possibly, if we can. We're getting there slowly but surely, but, uh, but mo, thank you so much for stepping in tonight. I'm really excited to hear your feedback. I tried to focus on DoorDash stories as much as I could, but, uh, you know, there's a little other little stuff sprinkled in there as well. So, stories from the road Um, I have a little one, nothing exciting. I started a new. I mean, I guess it's a gig. It's not an app-based gig, but it's called Market Wagon. Do you know about Market Wagon?
Speaker 3:No, yeah, I never heard of it.
Speaker 2:So apparently the story with Market Wagon is they try to get like fresh vegetables, local meats, cheeses, milk, whatever into consumers' hands. So, um, it's one day a week, uh, and it's a lot of driving. I found out, um, so, yeah, I showed up. Um, I mean, they pack their own, like you get like I don't know, I'm sure the customer orders whatever. So you get delivered, let's say, 20 pounds of carrots.
Speaker 2:So you take a pound of carrots and you put in a bag, you weigh it, put in a bag, and then you put it in all these different bags and then, oh, yeah, and so the I, apparently, at least at this market wagon where I worked, uh, the vendors oh, excuse me, god, he's drinking a drink of beer uh, the vendors bring in like the eggs and they put it away, but the produce, uh, I guess this market wager, market wagon franchise owner, they stack it on there. So, anyways, a bunch of bags, whatever. Uh ended up being like 139 miles and that was like, yeah, that was a like a relatively local route, like I, like everything was, most of it was in like West Michigan, but yeah, 139 miles and I made 160.
Speaker 3:So Wow, how long did it take you then?
Speaker 2:It took me. It took me like three and three quarters hours Roughly.
Speaker 3:Wow, that's not bad.
Speaker 2:No, um, it's, you know, in these jobs. I think we got to like look at, like I would never do that for Walmart, right, like I almost want $2 a mile for Walmart because that's what they pay. You know what I mean. I know what they're willing to pay in, like DoorDash't really know. But what's nice about it is I got a check that day.
Speaker 2:They literally wrote me the check because they knew how long it was going to take and so I deposited it in my account and away we go. So something to think about. Obviously, I can't do it during the school year because it's one day a week and it starts at like 10 in the morning and so that's just not going to work for me with driving school bus. But I think I'll do it for the summer and it's just nice to like have that guaranteed money. As gig workers, I think we struggle like stressing out sometimes where, like that goal you have to hit, but like, oh my gosh, I have three appointments today, and so on and so forth, and it's just really tough to um, you know, it's just really tough to uh, to hit that goal sometimes. And this is you get a check, you're done, you do the route and then you go home for the day, depending on your goal. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Well, that's how some of these catering platforms are too. You know, once you get into higher levels and stuff with these catering platforms, it's yeah, you work for a certain you know like four hours, and yeah, you're, you're.
Speaker 2:You work for a certain you know like four hours, and then you're done yeah, you know, instead of, instead of working 10 or yeah, 8 or 12 or you know whatever to try and get your your goal for the day yeah, it's just a nice break from like the grind of like you know waiting for that ping, know waiting for that ping, you know waiting for that ping to go off, and be like, oh yeah, this is going to be a great order. I freaking love this so much, you know, so so check it out. Uh, google and your area to search market wagon and, if you're, if something you're interested in. I think the pay is relatively similar. My friend Gabe, who's on the show usually once a month, he did it on the east side of the state. He stopped doing it, but the pay was relatively similar to what he got paid. But it might be different in your area, but if you want a gig that doesn't make you stress out all the time, and you just get your check and go deliver.
Speaker 2:What's interesting is there's no app, but they text you this link and it's Google, but ever all the stops are built in and you just click map and it drives it. And then you just tap delivered and then no pictures, no, nothing. Then it goes on to the next one and then it timestamps that you delivered them and that's it. Wow, it's pretty simple, honestly. Yeah, so check that out. Uh, how about you stories from the road, from you? I know you always have stories. What, when are you gonna pick today?
Speaker 3:uh, well, normally I do doordash. I um uber eats is fairly new in my area. I I keep saying it's new, but it it was here, um wasn't here. And then, uh, november of last year, uber Eats decided to come to my little area and uh, so Uber Eats has been very uh interesting, so um, lots of big quests and uh so you know it's been, it's been very profitable for me instead of DoorDash.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because it's new.
Speaker 3:So yeah, you get one order versus you know sitting and waiting for forever. Yeah.
Speaker 3:So Spark is not super popular in my area. I can't. I'm on the waiting list but I think the Spark orders. The overflow goes to Uber Eats. So I get a lot of Walmart orders and yesterday I was waiting for an order and I got it was a triple stack with Uber Eats. So three Walmart orders and it was going one and I don't know for those of you that do Uber Eats, it's not okay. One, two, three. It's like it sends you this way and then it sends you over this way. So I had one that was local and then two that were completely out of the way and I think it took me God, it took me at least an hour and a half because the GPS on Uber Eats is not great, so I always forget that I should type it into either Google Maps or Apple Maps the address because it takes you all over and in these back roads.
Speaker 2:I don't understand why Uber Eats map isn't working, because I have no problem with it. I know I live in a more metropolis, if you can call it like that, but still I would think it would be fine up there.
Speaker 3:But it's not, and not just here. When I was in Maine it sent me in a completely different area too. So I don't know if it's just back roads or county roads that it doesn't get. Anyway, I was all over the place. Anyway, I was, I was all over the place and, um, but it was, it was really nice because I had wanted to go fishing last night cause it was so beautiful here. And uh, I ended up just driving around on these old back roads, you know, but I didn't have any service. And I know we were talking about safety earlier and uh, safety for me is not terrible here because you know, I live, I don't live in this city, so you know. One, not having the correct address in the uber eats map and two, not having service. You can't get in touch with your customer. You, you don't like. I didn't know. It said leave at the back door, but the back door was not apparent at all. It was a dog barking at me and.
Speaker 3:I just I had no idea what to do, so I just left it and I took a picture and I drove to where I had service, you know, so I could um upload it, you know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so, um, yeah, that was so. That took me an hour and a half. And then, as I was driving back, uh, I got another order, but this one was about half the mileage one order for $46 with a Walmart order. I know it was crazy. These quests are just nuts in my area, but it's. It's awesome. Um, I'm really liking uber eats. Uh, doordash was really slow and now it's picking up for me a little bit here.
Speaker 2:I don't know if it is for anybody else, but yeah, I know we talked about it earlier um on your live. I was like, hey, if you're new to the gig world, you know summers are really slow and you're like it's kind of opposite for you, which I I was surprised. I feel like it's pretty common to have um to be slow for you know, because everyone, a lot of people, are seasonal workers teachers, bus drivers, I mean there's you don't realize, there's a lot of public school employees. I mean that don't work, you know, all year round.
Speaker 3:I mean you're talking food service and parapros and like a lot of them when, when they're off in the summer, they come here so yeah, you know they, they vacation here or take a trip and so yeah, so we get that extra tourists, you know for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I, I think it. I think it does vary from market to market, but I think in general, it's like slow down season, but one order for 46 bucks Damn, I don't ever see that. You have to wonder how the algorithm works, where it's just like. You know. You know what I mean. Like, why, why did you shoot? Well, you give me this, which is terrible, or you give me this, which is one order, and amazing, when all day I was getting you know three orders for $8,.
Speaker 3:You know going 24 miles or whatever.
Speaker 2:Unless that, one had a great tip. See, that's what I like about Spark, like everything is transparent. And I don't know if it's transparent through the Uber app, because I've never done a Spark order through the Uber app.
Speaker 3:Not for Walmart orders. You can't tell.
Speaker 2:I can tell everything. Yeah, I can tell everything. Yeah, I can tell everything.
Speaker 2:What Walmart's paying, what the tip is, if it's extra earnings, what items are in the order? I just posted a video today which is it's a long ass video but seven minutes of me being out of shape and bitching about. I took an order and I glanced at the items but it was a three stopper, ended up having like four cases of water in it. I thought I was going to have to call EMS. That's how bad it was. But yeah, check that out on TikTok. I just posted it tonight.
Speaker 2:All right, gig economy. In the news we always talk about Waymo. We like to hate on Waymo, but I thought this was an interesting article and it's kind of been going around Waymo rides cost more than Uber or Lyft and people are paying anyway. So basically, the average price right now is $1,440 for a Lyft, $1,558, and $2,043 for the Waymo, 1558 and like 2043 for the Waymo. You know they they did this study and they were like really surprised that customers would, or consumers would be willing to pay up $10 more just to use a Waymo.
Speaker 2:Now, I think it's, I think it's just because it's a novelty, sure, but when it comes down to it, eventually people are going to be like I'm not paying fucking $10 more more to to just to drive in a. I mean I wouldn't, I'd be like I want to. I mean I'm not. I'm not always trying to be cheap, but I'm always trying to save money and if I can save ten dollars, if I gotta, if I gotta go there and back, it's gonna cost me 20 more dollars to to do a self-driving car. I'm just gonna get a regular um ride share car or like right uber with a human driver.
Speaker 2:Now I I get the, uh, the appeal because I don't like to talk to you know, I mean, it's just well, yeah, I mean not to mention, like you said, that you know the novelty of it. I don't know yeah, um, and they've done a shit ton of rides. What does this say? Waymo said in May it provided 250,000 rides in May.
Speaker 3:In May.
Speaker 2:In May, yeah, yeah. So I mean they're out working, I mean they're out boogieing, but again, again, once the novelty wears off, are the, are the prices going to go down? And I think what we've kind of discovered is that it costs a lot of money to run those cars with ai right you know what I mean? It's not cheap. I mean we're cheap, we're dumb, right? We, you know, we're just humans and we're like, didn't you know? Cost them a little money to get us on board, but not like that.
Speaker 2:Right, I mean how long are they going to have to drive like that to get recoup their costs?
Speaker 3:I don't know.
Speaker 2:That's a lot of money, I mean. But yeah, they basically were price says. This is true in the Uber and Lyft rides, but the shortest Waymo rides were priced at 41 and 31 higher than uber and lyft. So yeah, they're all.
Speaker 2:They're all pretty high and uh, I'm hoping when we go to nashville we're going to nashville next week uh so by the way, if you're in the nashville area and love to hang out with larry, me and a bunch of other, uh gig workers that you know that have been in the community, in our community, the gig economy podcast community, for a while, we're gonna meet for dinner on saturday night, so send me a message. I'm very accessible, like email me, text me if you have my number, whatever, whatever, telegram me and we'll connect. But, um, we're hoping that we can. Uh, waymo is in nashville right now, so I don't know if they're done with their testing phase, but you know I'm gonna do it. I mean, I gotta get right, I gotta get some footage yeah, I gotta get some content.
Speaker 2:I got my ray bands, you know what I mean and I gotta oh yeah I'm gonna do that for sure. That whole video that I posted on tiktok today was all with my ray bands was that yeah, awesome yeah yeah, it was. It was pretty cool, so check that out. All right. Moving on, this is I kind of had to do a nice uplifting story for.
Speaker 3:Mo because she's Right, cause I'm the positivity queen.
Speaker 2:You're the positivity we need to bring you out, like once a month just to bring a little positivity to this show, cause we to bring a little positivity to this show because we're always talking bad and you know stuff like that about it, um, or about, just about the gig economy you know what I?
Speaker 2:mean? So, yeah, uh, it's about a doordash driver that meets a woman who started a gofundme for him I and garnered over 21k. I don't know how old the video is, but, uh, I didn't watch it. Like y'all know, I try to. Uh, this is 306. I don't know if I can get through three minutes of it. I might cut it short, but I like to be surprised. So I watched the first 10 seconds and that's it, so hopefully it's good.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's what I did too.
Speaker 2:Alright, we'll watch this and then we'll be back to talk about it.
Speaker 3:New, at 10 o'clock, an update to a story we told you about last week we met the woman who posted a video of her door dasher larry on tiktok.
Speaker 1:She was wanting to find him so she could help raise some money for him, and that tiktok reached millions of people across the world and so she started a go fund me for larry. News for dax reporter ariel schiller is live for us in the studio tonight and, ariel, you actually got to meet with both of them today. I did, and it's such a heartwarming story. We've been hearing from people about this for days now. They met for the first time today since Larry brought her brought Ireland food from Panera. Last week we actually met in that parking lot of that Panera. They both described this whole situation as surreal and unbelievable.
Speaker 4:I've done a lot of things in my life. I just handed someone that you don't know a bag of food from Panera Bread you can expect a whole lot.
Speaker 1:Nice to meet you. Larry Bailey and Ireland Danahold met for the second time this afternoon. They initially met last week when she ordered food through DoorDash. She noticed Larry's positive attitude, even though he was wearing a knee brace and had to walk up three flights of stairs to get to her apartment. She tipped him a little extra but decided to post her doorbell footage on TikTok to see if anyone else would want to help him. She started a GoFundMe for him on Thursday. That's now collected more than $21,000. It's such a surreal experience really. I totally didn't expect anything like this to happen. While Ireland's gesture was unexpected, larry says he enjoys door dashing and it also helps him replace the money he spends. Is there anything that you've been saving up for with the door dashing, or anything like that?
Speaker 4:Someday I'm not going to be able to work If I'm still alive, we're going to need money. So part of that and I've got some, but I just want to make sure I'm living a lot longer now than I thought I would. So you know, you just never know how long you're going to live.
Speaker 1:While his money from door dashing has a purpose.
Speaker 2:Okay, it still had like a minute and 20. I'm like we get it. That's so nice, super cool. I do feel bad for elderly that are working that long, although we have to remember some people like to work, like I, like to stay busy. I don't like to grind, but like I, I like to be out. Like sometimes I mean shit. The last vacation we took I did gig work with the rental car. You know what I mean. Like I was like all right, I'm going out. I'm tired of like hanging at the pool, like I'm going to go do some work and stuff.
Speaker 3:A lot of the a lot of the delivery drivers in my area. They're in probably the same age as this, the gentleman in that video and it. It just impresses me, you know, like how you know they're able to work like that yeah, I mean, and there's a couple of um, older couples that dash together, which is really nice, um, but yeah, they, I don't, I don't know, I don't a lot of them. They just don't make enough from social security or whatever.
Speaker 2:It is that they have to yeah, and I I love that that it's available for that, because you know it's hard to get a job as an elderly person Like you know what I mean and I don't know what you consider elderly. Obviously he has some mobility issues, but and maybe if I were to watch the whole video he would have said how old he was. But yeah, I mean, are you going to hire that guy to do anything like if he even went to Meyer or Kroger? You gonna hire that guy to do anything like if you even went to meyer or kroger? Yeah, uh, you know, I mean, they're not gonna right, they're gonna be like oh, I don't know how much can you lift, and I think that doordash and uber eats is great for that and what impresses me actually is that they're they're able to use their, the technology, their phones, and know because my mom and dad wouldn't be able to do that Right.
Speaker 2:Katie Marie on TikTok said that she has that too. There, the guy that door dashes, he has a cane and nothing stops him and that's freaking great. I love it. I hope that they do it because they like to stay busy. It is a little sad if they're doing it to kind of stay alive. I mean, you know, know, you never know their situation. They could have like here, here's, here's the silver lining on the bad side for you, for for for this show. He could have been a piece of shit his whole life and didn't take care of himself and spend his money on hookers and blow. You know what I mean. Like I mean we don't know, and you know now this, this gal just posted him online and like you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like he's at the liquor store, yeah yeah, and you know what god bless him if he is like right it's his money. He can do whatever he wants with it. But um I do.
Speaker 2:I do like seeing those, those stories about, uh, you know, just that kind of stuff. Um, it does feel like some of the some of the gofundmes though, like a kid returns a wallet and then he gets a million dollars to get him through college. You know, I was like, okay, what are we doing here? Like like, oh, this young gentleman did the right thing and he gets his college paid for. I'm like, right, dude, should he should return that anyways. That's just like what humans do. You just don't. You know, it's just funny. So it's always funny what goes viral, right?
Speaker 2:Uh, paul on tech said me and my mom do this together too. We had to take care of my mom and my husband stayed with her while, uh, she worked. I'm like that's super cool, like it's, it's such a great thing for for everybody Mo and I were talking earlier about I got this email from DoorDash and it said 50% of the dashers are women, and I was really shocked by that, me too. But maybe it just provides that great flexibility to be able to, you know, do work, and I mean it does for all of us. But I, I don't know, I would expect the 50% women to be, just to be a lot lower. I don't know.
Speaker 3:I think so too.
Speaker 2:I don't know um if it said whether they were full-time or part-time, but Well, I mean, we uh, grid wise, did a um, a study on stats, and they're an app. I've used them for a while um, it's 10 bucks a month and I'm not. I don't think, I mean, there's value there. It gives you a lot of statistics like how much you've made and what you made per mile. I do like all that, but I don't know if it's worth 10 a month for me, right, which isn't a lot of money, but like I don't know. It's just like am I really getting value on it? Uh, p wow, bro, it's 2025. Woman can work now, you know, but anyways, it said like 92 percent of gig workers were part-time.
Speaker 3:So 92 percent yeah yeah, so I'm, I'm eight percent you're.
Speaker 2:You are in the eight percenters. There's not a lot of people doing it full time um and well, it's very volatile.
Speaker 3:I mean it's and it's not very um.
Speaker 2:You know you can't really depend on it yeah, ryan from your channel says you're the eight percent. Lol. Hey, I mean that's badass. I, I would be. I'd be like I'm an eight percenter. You know I would be. I'd be like I'm an 8%, or you know I would be. I would be touting that shit. Paul on Tik TOK says that they do it full time as well. I mean, it depends on the market, you know, it just depends. I'm impressed that you're able to honestly, to do it part time with the limited amount of apps that you are have accessibility to.
Speaker 3:Yeah ability to yeah, yeah, I mean. I will say, though.
Speaker 2:I mean there were many, many months that I was doing 12 hours a day, and you know well that's why I think about the market wagon, like, okay, this is my one day where I just don't have to grind it out like I can you know, depending on what your money goals are a day. But like I'm like, oh, this is so nice that I can just take a break and just sit in car and just you know know blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 3:Do you feel like that's how Amazon Flex is for you?
Speaker 2:Yes, the only stressful part about Flex is it's hard to get routes at surge pricing, so they'll throw the routes out. I think our base pay is like $18 an hour, but I typically try to do it for 28 or above. But I mean, you got to refresh. You got to sit there and stare at your phone and do this, refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh. And it's tough to do, uh, but once I do get that route, oh it's great. Like I'm making 120, like for this three route or four-hour route, and I just sit back, deliver and go home.
Speaker 3:Right. So do you schedule the day before or is it that day? Is it immediate?
Speaker 2:Just like every app, it's tiered. So if you've done enough work, you get in level one, level two and level three and if you're willing to take base pay, pay. If you are, that's fine, I'm not gonna hate on you, but, um, you get the opportunity to reserve a bunch of stuff all through the week. So you'll get, you can get routes seven days a week or whatever, um, but it's gonna be at that, at that 18 an hour, and I know I can get it for 28. But I gotta work at it like it's, not like you can just now there. If you want to talk about more about that down the road, there are some apps that help you. It's not a bot. It's not a bot, it's gary's apps that will refresh the screen for you, so you don't have to. So that's kind of why I bought two phones. I would run that app and I'd look at it in my car and it would just automatically refresh, and then I'd see one pop up and I go boop, boop, boop and try to schedule that's nice yeah.
Speaker 2:So hey josh, how's it going? Hey josh oh, thanks, ryan he says I told you, people are gonna love that yeah, I told you. Katie marie says I haven't done in my area but I want to. I'm just nervous. But our slots are like three hours for 72. Yeah, that's eight. No, that's not 18. Is that what's that? No, that's 18 an hour, right yeah, about that, or no that's well, katie.
Speaker 3:Katie had just moved, so oh really she's in a new town? I don't think why?
Speaker 2:why do I have to do math? What? Oh oh, it's 24. What a dumb fuck I am.
Speaker 2:I was agreeing with you, so I don't know, you're double, we're both, so I think it is. If you're getting that, I think 24 is fair. I mean I would take that, I would. And it all depends on what's going on in your area, like our prices, like if it's around christmas I wouldn't take 24 an hour, right, like I'd be in the 30s, but y'all it also depends on like it just ebbs and flows and just like market specific. You know what I mean. Like sometimes 24 might be amazing and because that's just what they're going for, or they've been going for 22 and you got 24. But also it might be shit because you're like I just got her out last week for 32 or 30 an hour like what's happening?
Speaker 2:yeah, so hey, faith. Faith is one of the the people that I'm gonna meet in nashville.
Speaker 2:She lives in vancouver awesome yeah, it's gonna be, it's gonna be great. So, all right, moving on, um. So I thought this was kind of a funny photo. So customer cannot provide PIN. This is for DoorDash. Obviously, if the customer cannot provide the PIN code, follow the alternate method below to complete this delivery. We'll use this as proof of delivery and share the details with the customer. And apparently you have to write 200 characters before you can submit. You have to yes, she's, could submit. You have to yes, she's like. The customer forgot to provide the pin and I forgot to ask sweet lord, why do do I have to write 200 characters? And still this is not enough. I just don't know what else to say. And still dot, dot, dot, dot dot. So she could get 200 characters. So katie said the pin is their last four digits of their phone number, is everyone set up that way I didn't even know that.
Speaker 3:Well, that's yeah well, I, I heard that somewhere and I've had to actually tell the customer a couple of them, you know, because they're like I don't know what it is and I'm like it's your phone number and oh, and then they give me that and that's what it is. So that's the only reason I know.
Speaker 2:Why did that customer not? I mean, I don't know. Like, I know my wife's phone number and my daughter recently. Well, she's had her number for three years but I couldn't tell you her number. Like, I don't remember a lot of numbers, but I remember I know my sons and that's about it. Yeah, I would know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's weird. I know my mom's.
Speaker 2:But that's only because she still has the landline. Oh, I was gonna say, was that your landline growing up? Because I know my original landline uh, yeah, I know I, I can rattle it off too. Uh, faith says last ford for doordash, but not spark. Yeah, it's random for spark, is it? Yeah, it's random. I hate the codes on spark.
Speaker 3:It's annoying is it uh? Do you have to have codes?
Speaker 2:no, I mean, it's customer specific, I do find if I'm delivering more in a sketchier area, I typically uh, there's a code or in a multi-living arrangement where there's a lot of people there that, like they want to make sure that I'm delivering it to the right person, which is fair. I mean, I don't hate it, it's yeah, it's fine.
Speaker 3:It's not the end of the world, but um well, the only time I don't like it is when you can't find anybody you know they're not there it's like yeah, that's annoying.
Speaker 2:what so? Flex has it too. Like Faith said, there's been a couple of times where. So, going back to Amazon Flex, the motto is like I have the motto and nothing gets returned. Nothing gets returned Because, remember, they're not paying you to drive back to the warehouse.
Speaker 2:And now someone like Faith that does it every day. It's no big deal, right, because you can return it by 10.30 AM the next morning, so you just bring it home. It's no big deal, right, because you can return it by 10.30 am the next morning, so you just bring it home. It's no big deal. But I do Spark so infrequently. It's just randomized and I worry when I get those pins if they're not there that you cannot drop it off.
Speaker 2:But my motto is if you're new to Spark, you deliver everything. If it it's a school on a 7, 30 at night and there's no place to drop it, just fucking deliver it, it's not your problem. Yeah, it is because you'll you'll get dinged for it. I think the chances of you getting dinged are well, they're 100 if you bring it back. But if you leave it and nothing happens to it, I mean I always try to hide it. I'm not like just throwing it in the parking lot or anything. I'm like you know, and the customer does get a photo where it was delivered. So if you maybe put it by the, I don't know.
Speaker 3:You mean you don't try and call the customer?
Speaker 2:No, no, it's a school. Now, you can't blame me for that one. No, you can't blame me for that one. You know I'll try to just hide it by a bush that's recognizable or whatever. But yeah, nothing gets returned. We do not return anything to Spark because I'm not driving 45 minutes back and then have to go to the fucking warehouse, right, all right. Moving on, I know you're all excited to hear this that Instacart and Pinterest are launching a new retail media collaboration. So basically, when you're in Pinterest, you can buy things and it's through Instacart. That's basically the gist.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, really, do I keep saying spark faith? I'm sorry, yeah, I meant yeah, sorry.
Speaker 3:Nobody's doing.
Speaker 2:No, I know, I, it's funny. I was, uh, larry, I'll go back and edit this shit, you know, before monday. I'm like what the fuck was I talking? Jeez, jason, get your shit together like it's just hilarious. So yeah, sorry, all that. The last two minutes was for flex, not spark. I have spark on the brain, I don't know, because I just uploaded a spark video anyways. Uh, so they're working together, you know, and it's, it's fine. I think a lot of these things are, are good to. Um, am I drunk? No, I only got half a beer down, so, um, but uh, you know, I think it's good to do that. Um, I like convenience. You know, like a simple fact. If I have to get up to get my debit card when I'm buying something, I'm so annoyed. I'm sure you've seen those TikToks where they're just like ugh.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean, if you don't have Apple Pay. I might not even buy what you're selling. I might just say I don't need it that bad, so I kind of like that they're. They're doing this kind of stuff, although I don't know I do you find? Do you I have you? Are you on Pinterest? Do you have it downloaded, or?
Speaker 3:I have it, but I don't use it very often.
Speaker 2:No, when they first came out, I was about it, right. And every once in a while, when I'm searching for, uh, katie Maurice's, I do, I love it. I'm assuming she's talking about Pinterest, y'all when, I look over here, I'm assuming she's talking about Pinterest Y'all. When I look over here, I'm looking at the TikTok chat because I'm kind of bootlegging it a little bit, so I don't have it in my main chat.
Speaker 2:So, katie, if I forget, or Paula, I'm not trying to ignore you. So I first downloaded it. I really loved it, and now the only time I end up going in is if I'm looking for new tattoo ideas. But it's so clunky Like it's very hard to get to the actual website that you want and it's I don't know. I kind of hate it now. Um, but yeah, my yeah, katie says look up recipes. My wife, I mean she's does the same, but uh, but yeah, basically they're, they're, you know, working together and you know Instacart's working with a lot, you know a lot of companies. They worked with uber. Um, you can now request, you can like order food through instacart into uber and uber. I don't know it's a it's a whole thing instacart's trying to do it.
Speaker 2:So just a more connected shopping experience. And I'm all about um, excuse me, I'm all about making shit easy. You know what I mean well, yeah, no, that's interesting.
Speaker 3:I mean I wouldn't put instacart and pinterest together, that no, I'm all about making shit easy. You know what I mean. Well, yeah, no, that's interesting.
Speaker 2:I mean I wouldn't put Instacart and Pinterest together. No, that's not something that connects in my brain. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:It's kind of a weird connection. Josh says we give Mo a pass, not you, jason.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I know I ignored that. I don't even know what, what he's even passing.
Speaker 3:732, that was I think he was talking about the when you were adding that was oh, okay, probably I was like that was eight minutes ago.
Speaker 2:I don't remember what I did. Katie said I would love for instacart to be able to pick the driver. Yeah, I mean, isn't ship the only one that you're? Able to do that with preferred shopper.
Speaker 2:I mean, even with um, you know, with rideshare. I kind of wish they would do that because I would think it would keep more drivers on the app to kind of build a little bit of a community and I don't know, not a community, that's not the right word um, just a loyalty, because you know that customer might request a ride. I don't know, I think Uber, just their thought is like, and probably for Instacart too, they just want to get the order there, they want to get it done and, you know, get it out. They don't want to wait for you, to wait for a little Jimmy to deliver your order, because then they might lose the business. And I think that's for rideshare and Instacart Shut to deliver your order, because then they're gonna might lose the business. And I think that's for ride share and instacart shut up, josh, damn it, all right.
Speaker 2:Uh, moving on, I thought this was crazy and I want to ask you, uh, how many deliveries you have? But this is nathan. He has,569 trips over 10 and a half years with a 4.98 rating. Now, dude.
Speaker 3:Over 10 years.
Speaker 2:Somebody in the chat do the math, how that equals. That's like yeah, okay, do the math. Go on, you started it.
Speaker 3:You've committed 5,000 a year. 5,000? I $5,000?.
Speaker 2:I mean yeah, I guess roughly $52,000.
Speaker 3:What did I tell you?
Speaker 2:Well, she's doing math. Katie says all the customers that drop off. Ask me, can I request you? I know Is it $5,000? Yeah, so how many? It's $5,000. Okay, how many a day. Then now, dude, take 5 000 divided by 365. I want to know that at least 13.7 so that's not horrible. I mean I and I'm sure he doesn't work seven days a week. He probably does more, um like on the weekends you're doing more than 13 rides.
Speaker 3:You're probably doubling that I'm doing more than 13 deliveries. I mean when I was really grinding, you know so it was a way.
Speaker 2:It's yeah, way more than that. So how many, um how many deliveries are you at?
Speaker 3:I have almost 15 000 thousand uh, holy shit and in almost uh october it'll be four years.
Speaker 2:So do the math oh god, no, I gotta do it all right. Here we go 15k divided by 4, 37, 50 a year divided by 365, that's 10.2 orders a day. Holy, that's almost. I mean, that's just as impressive as that guy, if you think about it. Because I feel like food delivery can take a lot more than the ride, because some of those rides you can flip and you can do three or four rides in an hour. I don't think you can do three or four deliveries in an hour.
Speaker 2:It's possible, but not. I mean mean they got to be lined up, perfect. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:but holy cow, and that's just doordash. So you know I have other apps that I use too yeah, like what well, uber eats.
Speaker 2:Well, that's new, but what else? Oh do you did right, you don't grocery shop.
Speaker 3:So I do roadie and I have done instacart and shipped, so okay.
Speaker 2:But but yeah, it's mainly doordash have you heard us talk about roadie xd? Have you looked at roadie recently?
Speaker 3:I, I have not seen that, but I heard you guys talking about it yeah are you talking about it?
Speaker 2:a couple of shows ago, but somebody was talking about it, yeah yeah, it's basically kind of like the flex of like amazon flex for for roadie um right but it's like home depot. Some of the stuff can be bigger, but but it's.
Speaker 3:You're not shopping though no, but some of those things are huge yeah, you got to really look at it.
Speaker 2:But like I mean shit, uh, I mean gabe's doing 250, 300 for like a five hour route. I mean you can't make that money anywhere else in the gig world no I mean eventually I think it'll come down, like the prices will come down just like anything, but like that's so much freaking money just to deliver shit, like I mean I some.
Speaker 3:The only ones that I really don't mind with roadie are the uh prescription ones okay, yeah, those are and, and a lot of times you get like good tips really I've gotten like 25 dollars as a tip with a roadie, just a yeah, it's crazy that's pretty good. I don't know, I don't know how or why unless it was, you know, maybe on a weekend and it was a nursing home or something they really needed the medication or something you know.
Speaker 2:That's the only thing that I can think I'm surprised there's even tips allowed with that, because you know, normally it's sent through the pharmacy, I think, and so the pharmacy is not going to put a tip down. You know what I mean. So, and unless it was just kind of like a random, thing.
Speaker 3:Hardly even know that that I have an order yeah, I go in there half the time and they're like what you're what?
Speaker 2:uh, just real quick. Katie marie has 14 375 deliveries, to be exact. And she has 1,371 deliveries on Instacart.
Speaker 3:Wow, dude, how long have you been doing it, katie?
Speaker 2:I mean, while she says two years, I'd be like shit.
Speaker 3:Well, at least the math would be easy if we had to do that. That's true.
Speaker 2:Bubba Sue XD is only in certain markets. Yeah, I mean, it's not in Grand Rapids, in grand I mean I haven't checked in a week it's. It hasn't been in grand rapids um, you know, and the gabe it lives on the east side of the state, near detroit, so it kind of tracks in you know bigger.
Speaker 3:Not he doesn't live in detroit, but near detroit, ann arbor area, um yeah but yeah, I, I mean I I would keep looking at it, just for some of those when I was in, um, when I was in the detroit area, um, oh god, those roadies.
Speaker 2:It was uh like delivering tires yeah or yeah, I'm no for little amounts of money. Like it's. It's not it was. You know, we get those two dollars yeah like a dollar, a tire. Yeah, you know like who's going to freaking? Do that, but people must. Katie says since 2020 part-time before I had a W2 job, but I didn't start full-time until three years ago. So that's still that's. That's more than yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean you've done it for four, she's on it for three. Yeah, I mean you've done it for four, she's done it for three. So yeah, uh, josh says gigan posted one 700 plus dollars for 41 miles, 197 packages were those? Those weren't all at one house, or like there wasn't 197 stops, was it 700? Wow, but the mileage, 41 miles for 700 dollars, god dang it. I would do it. Are you kidding me? Yeah, I don't know if I'd be able to fit all those in my car, though.
Speaker 2:I mean, depending on 97 packages I mean unless they were all envelopes. You know like, well, no, when I say envelopes, like you know how you get an amazon package, it's like very flat, they call those envelopes. Like you know how you get an Amazon package, it's like very flat, they call those envelopes. So like, unless it's those, I mean I don't, I can't, there's no way. I mean I can barely fit 50 packages from Amazon in my car, so there's no way I do 197. You need a van for that, but all right. So this guy's a badass. We also found outie and maureen are badasses in their field. So all right. So, kind of at the beginning of this, this is a guy that uh 17 second video, a guy that keeps a microwave in his car okay, so I'm a door dash driver, right, and I just gotta say everybody should have this.
Speaker 5:I have my hot bag right here, but then here I have a microwave just in case the customer's food gets cold. Every driver should have this.
Speaker 2:I don't know why they don't okay, let's be honest, he's probably just kidding, right? I mean where I hope. So where is he gonna plug that in? Maybe he's moving or something, or maybe he just you know, maybe he's a scrapper and he was driving by the trash and saw it stick out of the top of it, but I could see somebody doing that, though. There are cars where you can plug into a regular outlet.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry, do not microwave my fries. That's all I have to say Fries are the worst at getting delivered. I would never get fries delivered.
Speaker 2:They're always like even if you like, if you go to like, if I go to Wendy's or whatever, I'll eat that shit on the way home. I'm not waiting, even though I really want ketchup, because by the time, oh, Bubba Sue, he's living in his car. You know what? I actually agree with that answer. I bet he is living in his car.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but how is he plugging it in though?
Speaker 2:I mean, and I mean Honestly so we totally squirrel. Right, sorry.
Speaker 2:No, you're fine. So we're getting a brand new building, like the transportation department is getting a new building for their office and maintenance, and blah, blah, blah, and there's a bunch, obviously a bunch of construction workers there. They brought a microwave and they plugged it in just the the out, because they, where they're working at no power. They ran an extension cord so they could heat their food up and I'm like sure it's not bad. So I mean, you could probably find a place to plug that in.
Speaker 3:I have one of those lunchbox I was selling them on TikTok shop lunchbox where you plug it into your car and it heats up your food, and I also have one of those coolers that is either a cooler or a freezer. I have one of those in my car too for ice cream and stuff.
Speaker 2:Oh, really, so you actually use those if you get an ice cream order. Yeah, look at you, is it cool down pretty quick Because you don't run it all the time.
Speaker 3:Right, it's on. Yeah, it's on all the time.
Speaker 2:Oh really, so you're ready to go for ice cream? Yeah, the piece of the average car power is about 75 to 400 watts. A standard microwave is 600 to 1500. Yeah, but can't they convert it?
Speaker 3:I don't know you can, but I don't think so. What if you have an?
Speaker 2:electric car like me. Does that make a difference? I don't know. I don't know either. They are again, again, another squirrel. The government is requiring, of course the government is requiring new electric cars to be able to reverse the electricity so that you would be able to power your house from your car if you lost power. I they're literally making it that it has. I don't know, I don't know it's like a generator then kind of it's.
Speaker 2:It's like acdc, like electricity, like something current, something current. The car only can accept it, it can't put it out. But they have to make it both, I guess, for newer cars something like that interesting, josh. Oh, I can plug a refrigerator in my tesla. Oh, I have a tesla. Oh, I bought an american car. No, I'm just kidding, nothing's made in america I like when you guys fight yeah, I know.
Speaker 2:Uh, pete says also I agree with mo, if anyone microwaves my food, I'm gonna be pissed well again. I mean, you're gonna know, you know microwave. I mean microwave food is like 95 of it is okay, you're just hungry and you're doing it. Five percent maybe it's okay, but like it's air fryer if you want to put my fries in an air fryer game changer, put an air fryer in that bitch, you could start a.
Speaker 2:You could start a ghost kitchen out of your van with an air fryer. I mean seriously, right, you can go to Gordon Foods buy the fries. You could air fry them up. It'd be a great thing. Yeah, no, don't, please, please, please don't do that. All right, moving on Waymo in the news. All right, here we go, josh's favorite segment, waymo in the News. No crash this time, but sometimes when there's emergencies, you know cars don't act the right way. And here's a one-minute and three-second clip of a fire truck trying to get through and you come forward you come forward, let's go.
Speaker 2:What the hell? Oh, Can you imagine if that was in New York City? They had to push that fucking thing. That's what I thought he was going to do. They are very nice because, like I said, in New York City they'll push your ass right out of the way. They do not give a shit.
Speaker 3:Can you believe that? That's ridiculous?
Speaker 2:I mean so obviously we all know as drivers you're supposed to pull over to the right, but that car, the Waymo, didn't even pull over, it just froze and you noticed. Did you notice that when that first truck cleared, it started moving and then the sensors picked up another one and then immediately just stopped? Oh my God, which I get. I guess you're not causing any more of an issue, but you still. You got to get out of the way you got you're in the way, this you still, you got to get out of the way.
Speaker 2:You got, you're in the way. This is where the human element comes in, goes okay. Obviously I need to stop, but I'm in the way. I need to make a right turn and I'll deal with the trip. You know, whatever I'll reroute, but that car, that's where the human part needs to come in. You guys are so far away from that. I mean I would sue the shit out of waymo if I saw that video and I and they were on the way to my house exactly one of my loved ones passed away.
Speaker 2:I'm like no, you caused you know first day to be delayed to my loved one because your fucking car doesn't know how to get out of the way. Oh, that I was. I don't know where I found that one, who know, maybe josh sent to me, but I was so pissed watching that thing. I'm like this is what we're talking about. Like I love the technology, but it's not ready for for game time. Like let's just keep them on the highway, let's at least do that. Like I, I'm fine with that, but until you can figure out how to navigate away from an emergency vehicle, it's just. I think it's no, no go.
Speaker 3:I agree completely.
Speaker 2:Would you be comfortable riding in a waymo? I never did ask you when we were talking earlier about people that drive or ride with me. Yeah, just personally, as like, or would you be like?
Speaker 3:I mean, yeah, yeah, you're okay with it I think so yeah, I mean to try it out, I guess yeah exactly you, exactly You'll play more right for the novelty.
Speaker 2:And then after that you're like I'm not going to pay more. I mean it's great to not have someone.
Speaker 3:I'm not going to pay more.
Speaker 2:No, yeah, I mean again, I'm not trying to Maybe once.
Speaker 2:Yeah, maybe once. Yeah, yeah, for sure, all right. So normally this last article is really awkward, and normally I give the awkward ones to Larry, but since it's really awkward, I'm going to read it. Who knows this? This is true, but this isn't a. You tell me if it's true, I'll read it, but this is a.
Speaker 2:I drove an Uber, or I wrote an Uber, and there were sperm everywhere. That's, that's the title. Okay, want to share my experience. I can only get banned from Tik uber. Or I rode an uber and there was sperm everywhere. That's, that's the title. Okay, want to share my experience. I'm gonna get banned from tiktok. Want to share my experience.
Speaker 2:When I got in the car, I sense a small oh god, sorry, I sense a strong smell of sperm. Okay, there's a lot of s's there. It's funny he says sperm, you know what I mean. Like that's, like the right anyways. Uh. Then saw that there was half dry sperm on the seat. So I moved to the other side and sadly found out both sides have half dry sperm. So does the floor and the driver's door storage have a bulky of in English, not the first language of toilet paper balls, and I can smell his balls. It smells like I haven't showered for several days. It's a dry sweat mixed with bacterial and dirty ball smell. This can't be real. But it took me a few minutes to realize my situation. So after drop off I reported it to uber. They ignored me, just gave me a five dollar credit, like throwing to a beggar. Driver has more than 10 000 trips with high ratings and this is the worst experience I ever had. I mean, do you think that's real?
Speaker 3:I don't want it to be real the one, the comment.
Speaker 2:First of all, that's disgusting. Second, I definitely would have said something to the driver. It's really unfortunate there are drivers who leave bodily fluids behind for others to see. I used to drive for uber and once her passenger left his blob of jizz in my car without me noticing. I only found out after I dropped him off and I did my usual post-ride check. I reported the incident. Had my car? No, that really happened like, oh, she's gone. I mean, can you imagine maybe this is real disgusting.
Speaker 2:It's so gross. Who would do? I cannot imagine my last day for ride share if I went to do a post-ride check and there was a dollop of yeah on the seat. I'm done, that's it. Yeah, no, that's why I don't, I, I, I don't even clean the car, I just drive that fucker off the bridge into the river and just call it a day like god dang it because you can't like no there, I got you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that would made you lose it I don't know if it's true. I mean, I can't say it's not so well yeah. Tell me more about your take on sperm in a car.
Speaker 3:It's really disgusting, but that's why I don't want to do ride share. I mean, not because of that specifically. Well, of course, but that's why. I don't want to do ride share, I mean not because of that specific but like other, you know, like drunk people and throwing up in my car, I mean.
Speaker 2:I'd rather deal with 10 throw up cars than that. I'll be honest with you. I mean, that's just so so gross.
Speaker 2:Yeah, please don't do that, please don't. I mean, do I have even have to do a psa of like, please don't do that. Like, shouldn't it be common sense to not relieve yourself in a sexual manner in the back of an uber? Yeah, well, anyways, on that note, I wanted to make sure I put that at the end, so just in case I got kicked off somewhere that I uh wouldn't. Wouldn't uh, tiktok banned, tiktok ban. So all right, mo tell me about where people can find you and what you're doing. That's fun and who knows? Just tell me your shit yeah, um.
Speaker 3:I'm on tiktok mainly um, obviously doordash mainly um. Also I'm on uh wiki how?
Speaker 2:wiki how this can, yeah, check it out if you're trying to find out how to doordash yeah, honestly, I I was on here, it's called the stan link, it's kind of like link tree and and she has a little like one-on-one coaching session. And goddamn, I'm surprised you don't get. I mean, I don't hear you talking about it. So obviously when you don't push stuff it doesn't happen. But that's really smart, I mean, especially since someone's going to contact you. They're going to be out of your market, so what do you give a shit?
Speaker 3:I answer so many questions. It takes me a long time to answer all the questions that come through in a day. So, it's. Yeah, I mean, if somebody is looking at, obviously my market's going to be different than somebody else's market, but they're looking at. You know, how does DoorDash work? How does Uber Eats work? How does you know? There's a lot of people that just they just don't know, they're scared to start, and I mean once you start it's.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's great. I think more people should offer that coaching service. It's kind of the same thing in the podcast world, although mine's a lot more expensive because there's a lot more work involved. But, like when I sell somebody a startup package, it's with the coaching because yeah, can you figure out everything online and in research? Yeah, you can. But some people don't want to do that. They want to cut right to the, you know, right to the chase. Give me everything, I'll pay for it.
Speaker 3:I don't care, because I want to get going on it and they see what you do and what you know and they trust you and yeah you should start pushing that on your, on your tick tocks. Yeah, thank you, I will.
Speaker 2:Well, thank you so much. I appreciate you. Thanks for having me.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it was fun, for sure, even though you know I I forget my words sometimes. I think that I'm going to say something that's okay.
Speaker 2:Earlier it looked like you were going to stroke out and I just let you go with it.
Speaker 3:I was just going to lose it. I'm like what is going on you?
Speaker 2:started your story and I was like she just stopped talking for five seconds. I'm like is she okay?
Speaker 3:Do I need to?
Speaker 2:call EMS no, it's totally fine. Oh, I forgot, little stroke. Call ems no, it's totally fine. So, uh, oh, I forgot to tell you about the tagline. But anyways, as always, don't put up with anyone's bullshit and we will see you on the road. Good night, everybody. Thanks so much, peace. This podcast is produced and edited by hey guys media group out heyguysmediagroupcom you.
