Making Pondo with Julie Schaffer

 In this episode we talk to Julie Schaffer. Julie played the character Sarah in four of our films, "Comic Book Diaries," "Writing Fren-Zee," "Revenge of Zoe" and "The Love Song of William H. Shaw."

Comic Book Diaries Trailer

Writing Fren-Zee Trailer

The Love Song  of William H. Shaw Trailer

Rocky Horror Trailer

Wizard of Oz Trailer

Mary Poppins Trailer

Forrest Gump Trailer

Footloose - Dance Scene Link

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome to Making Pondo and Talking Pondo. Talking Pondo is a podcast where we pick out two movies each week and talk about them in detail. Making Pondo is a podcast where we talk to people we've made films with and we discuss all their experiences on set. Today on Making Pondo, we have Dr. Julie Schaefer, who has played the character Sarah in four of our movies.

SPEAKER_05 0:33

And we're back.

SPEAKER_01 0:37

We're here today with Dr. Julie Schaefer, which is still your official screen name at this point, right? We've had other people who have a different name they use in their movies. I think we kept your name because that's the name you were using when you first came to us.

SPEAKER_08 0:57

Yeah, so I do I go by a different name with my patients, but I kept my maiden name and I like that that goes through all of the films and keep it that way.

SPEAKER_05 1:09

Your patients can't find you.

SPEAKER_01 1:17

So uh Julie's been with us uh sh longer than so long. I think everybody else that we have had on this season, and probably most people that we have worked with. I always say, Wow, we've only worked with you for one movie, but it felt like you were there for all five. Well, Julie literally was there for all four. She wasn't there for the very first one, but how did how did you come to find Pondo Enterprises all those years ago?

SPEAKER_08 1:48

Yeah, I was trying to think of this. So I remember that I can't remember exactly how I found the ad or the casting call or however that came to me, but I do remember meeting you guys and doing my the reading for you. Um I must have been, I was trying to think. I had like my hair was still dyed with my black tips and came in with my ripped jeans. And so I think I was about 13 maybe, and I found you guys. We we did a reading in in the back of Bookmans. My mom was, of course, with me. And um, but I I can't even remember how um like the opportunity sort of came up. It was so long ago.

SPEAKER_01 2:35

I think it was a flyer, right? Didn't you guys find the flyer at the bookstore? I I think that was the the legend anyway.

SPEAKER_08 2:44

I would not be surprised because I spent a lot of time in that bookstore. So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:50

And I remember the part you read for was supposed to be a guy originally, the uh that's right that you play in the movie, and then we decided, or or actually you came in and you read something for us. I don't remember, I'd have to look back at that old tape, but then we had that idea of wait a minute, what if we flip this character and read read for that part of the uh magic cards? Uh the person trying to sell the stolen magic card, and it worked.

SPEAKER_08 3:22

I I do remember that because I think I was remember being so flattered. Like that was the coolest compliment that you guys had taken this character that was originally written for like a male character, and for you liked what I did, and you were like, let's just change this for this girl. And I thought that was the coolest, greatest compliment I could get.

SPEAKER_01 3:44

And we had you in on, and this is for comic book diaries, that the old, old creaky first attempt at making a movie in a comic book store. And I think you came in to shoot on the one of the last days of shooting, because I remember I was uh going through a mild crisis at the time, and I was laying down in the back room for the most part while you were shooting. And so Cliff was out there with you and Paul, and it felt like you guys spent like four hours on that scene. The the the full length of that magic card scene that we trimmed down in the movie, it it was it ran something like 10 minutes originally. It was a long scene. We give you all the here's your first part. Here is like 10 pages of dialogue to memorize.

unknown 4:27

Right.

SPEAKER_01 4:28

Welcome to the show. What how how was that working with Paul on that that first day?

SPEAKER_08 4:35

Oh, I thought it was super fun. Um, you know, I think uh the setting at least is a very comfortable setting, right? Like being in a comic book store was not a very intimidating setting. So I think that that really helped me a lot. Um and yeah, Paul was great. I mean, everyone I just remember was really great and I think really patient with me. So um it didn't it didn't feel like a lot. It was so much fun that I I honestly don't remember it being four hours long. It felt like it went by so quickly.

SPEAKER_05 5:08

That was um, I remember us having talks about like, okay, this is you know, we have a young person coming on set, so let's be on our best behavior because you know it's we're rowdy, it's a rowdy set. Um, so we really did our best. That and that that that script in general was probably one of the more vulgar of the scripts that we've ever written. Um that movie especially. That was before we learned how to uh do cleaned up our activist there. Yeah, but it was it was interesting. And of course, here you are in the middle of all that, just trying to do your little part and do your thing was great.

SPEAKER_08 5:45

Yeah, it was fun. I don't think I really I my scene was not particularly vulgar, so it it didn't really hit me until I think I watched the whole thing through that it was like, oh wow, this was like this little innocent little bit in this movie.

SPEAKER_01 6:05

It really was. You were there at that Hindenburg of a screening at the loft when we premiered it, and I realized how many F-bombs were in the film as I sunk lower into my chair.

SPEAKER_05 6:17

And that's still the most brutal. I'm I'm sitting there going, she brought her family to this, she brought her entire family to this.

SPEAKER_03 6:27

Oh, this is brutal.

SPEAKER_08 6:31

You know, I should ask. I bet I bet my mom would remember too. She'd remember, she'd be like, Oh, those those guys, they had so many f bombs.

SPEAKER_05 6:40

So many. And we were we cleaned it up so much after that. Like it's I mean, if we place some vulgarity in the script, it's there for a reason. We put it there for a very good purpose. Like, nope, I put that F bomb. I put that F bomb right there for a reason, leave it where it is.

SPEAKER_01 6:55

There was dirtier stuff in comic book diaries that didn't even make the final cut that even then we knew no, that's that's too vulgar to have a customer yelling at JJ or whatever. And it's interesting because after that movie, it wasn't the greatest well-received thing we've ever put out, to say the least. And usually when you do something like that, you move on to another project. And and and Cliff and I were trying to do that uh initially, but then the script we were coming up with, it kind of just turned into a reboot kind of sequel to comic book diaries of a well, let's try this again, but maybe hit it more on the head this time. And at first it was no, no, we shouldn't do that again. That's crazy. Why are you making a sequel to a movie that most people didn't like? But we're like, no, we think we got a good idea here, and so then we we brought you back as the same character. You're the only person to say play the same character through all four of these movies.

SPEAKER_05 7:59

Yep. And so that was we were adamant about that. Gotta have gotta have Julie back every time.

SPEAKER_01 8:04

And you were still that one, so we had to shoot during certain hours. But what did you think of your expanded role in writing frenzy when you first saw that? Yeah, because you had a lot more to do in that one.

SPEAKER_08 8:16

Oh my gosh, I loved it. That one I think was probably one of the most fun ones for me. And yeah, I do remember we were working around my actual school schedule because I also remember studying chemistry on set between things, like on the floor with my chemistry notebook. Um, but that one was that was so much fun. It I loved hanging out on set with everyone. Um, I felt like really a huge like part of it, you know, and and and pivotal in a lot of ways. And um it was I I just I can't, I also just when I look back and I think about um I hear all of these really terrible, terrible stories about how women get treated on sets. And I just had such an opposite experience. Um, you know, like I had people, I just I remember there were nights where we would we would film late and then I I'd have the whole crew like stand outside and watch me get into my car safely and drive away and like make sure that I was safe and everything. So um yeah, it was uh an awesome experience, I think.

SPEAKER_05 9:26

There was a lot of talk about threatening your hut your fiance when you were getting married on during revenge. There was a lot of discussion amongst the four of us of just like, should we just have a discussion with him about that we were a flight, what plane flight away and pain is an easy thing to administer? You know, we anyway.

SPEAKER_01 9:45

Well, I think we made part of the movie about that in a way we did. If it's this guy, you let us know.

SPEAKER_08 9:52

Yeah, I think he um, you know, he did not come with me to film that the third one, right? But I think if he had at the time, that was right when we were about to get married. Um, and I I think he would have known he would have felt it, he would have felt the the wrath of all of the team. Screw it up, dude.

SPEAKER_01 10:13

Don't do that. Oh, that's hilarious. So when we moved into riding frenzy, that's when uh Eric and Nate joined the crew. Uh what was your first impressions of of meeting them? Do you if you recall anything like that?

SPEAKER_08 10:26

Oh yeah, I mean, I think let's see, Eric is so dedicated and so serious, and I just have so much respect for how much he really puts into everything that he does. He he gives it 120% at all times. Um, and that's just incredibly cool to me. His his passion is really admirable. Um, and then Nate is always just such a joy to be around. Like I, you know, he he makes you smile at all times. Um so many of the scenes that I filmed with him, we we had to like stop and take laughter breaks because we couldn't get through. Like, okay, wait, now it's time to be serious and we need to do the serious lines. But I mean, luckily Pete, you know, is also a funny guy, and so I think that that felt very genuine.

SPEAKER_01 11:18

Yeah, I always thought you two had a good rapport uh going as far back as writing frenzy. That was some of the stuff on day one was just okay, we're shooting the scenes between you and Nate. And and it wasn't until we had the first screening of Writing Frenzy that we knew for certain, because you don't really know until you show it to people, that the scenes weren't completely awkward and cringy, that they actually played very funny and the and the audiences laughed at them and they understood the jokes. And so when we moved into uh Revenge of Zoe, it was okay, you gotta have the continuation of the Sarah and the Nate storyline, which I think we managed to do all the way up through Love Song, where it's like this is one of the major subplots now. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, and then when we moved on to uh Revenge of Zoe, it was almost like a whole new playing field. Here we are doing yet another movie about the comic book shop, but now we have Bradford entering into the mix and and many other new people as well. But what what was your first impression of Trojan?

SPEAKER_08 12:26

Oh gosh, I yeah, I think I was very intimidated by him. He he tended to be very um connected with his character on the set, and so it sort of felt like almost like I couldn't quite approach him. Like, oh, I don't want to like break his concentration on being in this zone. That's a very, you know, uh, it's not an easy character to play. It's not like a real lighthearted, easy sort of character that he was playing. And so I think that that was maybe a little bit more intimidating for me um than like Eric or Nate.

SPEAKER_05 13:05

Yeah, he was uh he's he's kind of intense on set, right? Like, I mean, and not in a bad way. Not in a bad way, but in like a oh, I don't want to, I don't want to mess his vibe or his rhythm up, right? Like he's he's re you can see he's really in the pocket with the character. I don't want to mess that up.

SPEAKER_08 13:20

Exactly.

SPEAKER_05 13:21

Yeah. Yeah, try directing that. That's that was um I want to go back to writing frenzy real quick because Marty brought up you know cringy and you dubbed a certain scene in that movie the creeper scene. Uh I think you and Nate called it the creeper scene. And that's the one where you've got the crush on him and he turns it around on you and is like, Yeah, we should go out. You know, I've been thinking about you, and blah blah blah blah, and the whole scene plays out, and you're like, and he's like, See how stupid that is? Like, get it, you know, you know. Yeah. Um but it I thought it played well.

SPEAKER_08 13:58

Well, and I do I think that that was such a smart way for his uh for him to play it, right? Because there there was no getting rid of that crush that Sarah had on him. Right. And um, you know, really facing it head on. I think facing it head on and um like turning the awkwardness back on Sarah instead of you know this infatuation that Sarah had with him and how awkward that was for him, right? And so I think flipping it on her was like, oh no. And that scene was was hard to play, I think, because that's so not Nate, right? That's just not he was never gonna put me as Julie in an uncomfortable situation, right?

SPEAKER_06 14:42

Right.

SPEAKER_08 14:42

And so that that scene was hard, I think, for us to get through. It felt very unnatural, but that was the point of it, right?

SPEAKER_05 14:51

Yeah, yeah. And it and I I like I said, I think it played. I and I think the audience we have, you know, the audience got it, you know, which is like, oh, okay, he's he's he's flipping the turn of the tables on her here.

SPEAKER_01 15:01

Yeah. It was a much a much different reaction than the first movie, which mostly just got silence or people scowling at me on the way out of the theater. It's like people uh actually reacting to you know these more intense, you know, character-driven scenes. And and so that's why writing frenzy is always very important to me because it's the point where it's like, ah, yes, this is what you do to make something that engages with the audience more. And you were a big part of that going into very good. Because you were there with us back in the weird times, and then you came along to when we started doing some quality stuff too.

SPEAKER_08 15:39

Yeah, and that's I mean, it's hard for you because I mean, you spend so much time right re creating these characters and really what they come across in your head, and then maybe that's not the same thing that people are seeing, but you don't know that for until you're like, you know, so much time and energy invested in these characters on your end as you know, the creators of all of this. So I'm I'm happy that it came together in the end and you got some good good feedback from audiences.

SPEAKER_05 16:10

One of my favorite memories is when we finished Zoe and you said you looked at me and and we had no plans of making a sequel. Like there was we were done. Revenge of Zoe was Revenge of Zoe was the sequel that we hadn't even planned on in the first place. Right. And so we were like, okay, we'll do this and then we're done. And I think one of your last days on set, and you looked at me and you said, Now, if we do a sequel to this, I want to be in the frenzy costume. I want to you you have to put me in the frenzy costume. And I was like, Okay, well, I hadn't considered a sequel, but yeah, if we do a sequel, you're definitely going to wear a frenzy costume. And then it ends up that almost everybody almost we put four four or five actresses in the f in the frenzy costumes. It's great. Like we've got almost everybody, yeah. Group frenzy photos of you and of you guys and Billy that uh are probably gonna end up being the poster for the film.

SPEAKER_08 16:58

Amazing. Yeah, that was so much fun. And I remember when you contacted me, you know, tell me that you were doing another one. You were like, I think one of the first things you said was, We got you in the costume, you're gonna do it. Are you still okay with this? But we we got it, and I remembered so promised crap. So get ready truly, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:20

Uh Ginger did a great job assembling all the different elements that created that that updated frenzy costume right down the the boots that we had to special order. Yeah, I look back on it now and it's like, oh, if I'd had the forethought, I would have had you know even more frenzy costumes. So we would you know put everybody in in them. I think a few people got left out of it. Yeah, but we were kind of you know fly by the seat of our pants with that whole production where we had to shoot part of it at Tuscan in 2019 and then shoot another part of it in March of 2020. Oh, that's good timing, March of 2020. Let's start shooting a movie on Friday the 13th, March 2020.

SPEAKER_08 18:02

Was it really the Friday 13th?

SPEAKER_01 18:05

And then we finished in June of 21. So it's just wow. So there was a lot of things that fell through the cracks, but yet when you watch the movie, hopefully, it feels like it was all it all happened over the course of like three or four days. You wouldn't even know that this person's on the phone talking to this person in another year, you know. It just seems like it's all natural.

SPEAKER_08 18:29

Well, yeah, and I do have to say one of the things that I remember being on set with you, Marty, was how incredibly thoughtful and particular and detail focused you were. Like you would notice, oh no, this door has to be closed like three quarters of the way instead of you know halfway. And like, wait, these these were a skew before on the on the shelf, and now they're straight, who straightened them, and you know, stuff like that. So I feel like creating that continuity was something that you were so incredibly I I don't even know how you could keep track of all of those details, but I always loved and had so much respect. And I think now I watch movies, and when they don't do that, I'm like, I'm out of it. So it takes me completely out of the film, and I'm like, I'm not I lost it.

SPEAKER_07 19:17

They didn't put the door in the same way.

SPEAKER_05 19:19

Marty would have caught that. Sorry. Yeah, exactly. So it's it's still, I mean, I've worked with the cat for 25 years, it still surprises me. We were on um Love Song shooting in the comic book store, and there's that sliding door. You remember that's right, yeah. You remember the scene with Pete where you where you, you know, you're you're talking to him in the office and you close that sliding door and open it back up, right, to talk to him. Um, and so we're shooting outside of that, and somebody had walked, had walked through the office and moved that sliding door, and I I yell action and Mari's like, no, door's wrong. And I'm like, oh cut, okay, fix the door. Like, please stop touching the door.

SPEAKER_08 19:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:57

Well, that's what those early, you know, horrible experiences of the screenings kind of beat into you when you get a bad response from an audience. It's like, oh, well, you better do good next time, or they're gonna act like that again. It's like I don't want to go through that again, so put that door in the right place.

SPEAKER_02 20:14

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 20:15

Yeah, you sat through, yeah, you sat through the most it's that's that's another reason. Like your old your old school Pondo. You sat through the worst screening that we've ever had.

SPEAKER_01 20:25

Yeah, everybody else, they were just with the people of our movies thing. Yeah, that's the experience. The theory you crawled through the mud with us on that one, so I still had fun.

SPEAKER_08 20:38

I came back, so you know, it wasn't that bad, guys.

SPEAKER_01 20:41

That's the thing is shooting comic book diaries was a blast. We had a lot of fun doing it. It's just when we showed it to people, it was kind of like, oh, uh, I guess our fun didn't translate onto the screen there. But then we figured out how to how to make that happen, thankfully. I remember at one point Cliff was like, We don't make a good movie, I can't do this anymore. It's like, okay, well, we'll make a really good movie, and then writing frenzy happened. Didn't we only it was like nine days or something like that, right? Where we think it was like a nine or ten-day shoot, yeah. It was so small a crew. What it was like me and Mark Brady and Jonathan Ziegler behind the camera and just the handful of actors, and like I remember at one point I came in halfway through the shoot and said, Well, guys, I don't have any more money for food. Well, the budget's all gone. Everybody's like, ah, that's fine. Let's you know, let's start shooting. Like Jonathan Northover would say repeatedly, I'm not here to eat, I'm here to work. It's like, well, yeah, well, you should still eat too. That's that's a big point of contention for us now. Always have something like that. Oh yeah. Meal, full meals and everything now. Maybe more than just Carl Jr., but hey, that that works too.

SPEAKER_08 21:51

Well, and I do remember it was so wild whenever I came back again for let's see, the third the third film.

SPEAKER_06 22:00

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_07 22:01

And I just remember there was like, okay, there were so many more people on set, and there was so many more things, and like they were doing the different mics, and let's get you let's get you mic'd up and blah blah blah. And I'm like, wait, but it's not just like one guy with the Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 22:15

Where's the dude with the mic taped to the hockey stick holding it over the exactly?

SPEAKER_01 22:21

I remember Nate had that uh that little bit of shell shock too, coming from riding frenzy to the I thought it was just gonna be. It's like, no, each time you you step it up and make it a little bit bigger, a little bit better, you know. It it was I remember feeling overwhelmed by it myself. I remember day one, turn around, nine cameras would be pointed, taking a picture here. It's like, whoa, where are all these people come from? Even when we showed over at Tuscon, it was oh shit, we leveled up again. It's it's almost overwhelming, but then you take a step back and realize, no, this is where we wanted to go. Take a breath and realize this is a good thing because you have 20 people that are all doing the jobs that you used to do yourself. That makes it a little easier.

SPEAKER_05 23:07

I think uh it's well, it's like you know, uh, I think it was you actually, I think it was your sandwich during Love Song, where we had we had a PA for the day, and he went to get grab sandwiches for everybody, and your yours was supposed to be something, and it was wrong or it was missing. And uh, and I was just I just looked at the piano, I was like, you gotta go back and get her sandwich, man. Like, I don't know what to tell you. And he's like, Okay. So he hops back in the car and goes and gets you your sandwich. And I just thought I mean I know it sucks for that kid, but man, I'd you know, literally I would have Marty running and doing this, and I wouldn't have him on set where I need him, you know. So where's the ice?

SPEAKER_01 23:44

It's been two hours.

SPEAKER_05 23:45

Yeah, where's the ice?

SPEAKER_01 23:47

Two bags. So most of your acting has been with us, right? Have you done many other projects?

SPEAKER_08 24:00

Um yeah, I've done like just sort of small things, nothing, you know, commercials here and there, um uh, but nothing as large or extensive as I have with you guys.

unknown 24:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:13

So is there a dream role if if you had a choice of something you could play?

SPEAKER_08 24:18

Oh, if I had like an absolute dream role, it would definitely be something that was um I love the characters that are almost plot twist in themselves. Like thinking about um like Severus Snape or Tyler Durden, you know, like those sort of characters were as soon as you figure out whatever happened, you have to go back and re-watch the whole freaking movie because you have to know, you have to re-watch and relearn and see it through a new lens. So I just love those kinds of things.

SPEAKER_05 24:51

Yeah, Bruce Willie and the sixth sense type of thing.

SPEAKER_08 24:54

Yeah, exactly. Those sort of things I think are just so fun and so well thought out and take so much time and energy and effort from I mean, everyone, right? Starting from the conceptualization of the script and even the conceptualization of characters before you're even putting pen to paper or whatever typing, right? It takes so much forethought, and I just love those kinds of characters.

SPEAKER_05 25:20

Interesting. Do you have um I like to ask this question, it's one of my favorites. Do you have a favorite film that's based on music? Not necessarily a musical, but it could be a musical if you wanted, but like that's based on music or has music in it.

SPEAKER_08 25:37

See, okay, and I I think that there's really uh multiple answers to this question based on musical or like soundtrack.

SPEAKER_05 25:49

We're here, give me both, give me all of them. Okay, so I love I love music in movies and I think it's really important. So I love that's why I like this question.

SPEAKER_08 25:57

Well, I love so if we're just talking exclusively um music and movies that I'm gonna sing again and again and again, um, Rocky Horror Picture Show, I will resing that soundtrack at any given time, all times. Um or you know, like classics like Wizards of Oz or Mary Poppins, I think the way that they incorporated music and made the songs into part of the story progression. I I love those sort of things. Yeah. Um, if we're just talking like soundtracks though, I love the Forest Gump soundtrack. And I love how how much that stretches through time and you use music through the the various time periods in that movie, that sort of thing. I don't know if that answers your question. What's you what's your answer?

SPEAKER_05 26:51

What's your answer, Cliff? Oh, mine's uh so my favorite movie about music or with music is the commitments, which is um which is about a bunch of kids in Ireland who start a uh they start a rhythm and blues band, a soul band. Um so it's it's one of that's my one of my favorites. Musicals, I mean I lately La La Land is probably my favorite musical. I think it's I think it's brilliant on a level that's not gonna be hidden for a long time. Like I don't think people are gonna make another movie like that for a very long time. I think it's brilliant. So but in SoundCount.

SPEAKER_08 27:23

I actually have not seen La La Land. I haven't seen it yet.

SPEAKER_05 27:26

I gotta see it, I guess. It's worth it. I mean it's it's worth it. I the the last 20 minutes of that movie are brilliant. And and the way that what they what he does with it, like even if you don't like the movie, go through it just to get to the last 20 minutes where you're like, oh, this is okay. It's really smart, it's it's well written anyway. Uh and then soundtrack, like probably the best soundtrack, maybe, of all time, is Judgment Night. Like, that's probably the greatest soundtrack, like the worst movie, but like that that soundtrack sold more than the movie did. That's how good the soundtrack was.

SPEAKER_02 27:56

The movie was terrible.

SPEAKER_05 27:58

Um, you know, yeah. And scores, I'd probably say the Conan score. Score for that guy who wrote, I can't remember his name, but um he's a fantastic composer. What about you, Marty?

SPEAKER_01 28:11

Oh, uh overall, it probably Nashville. The movie Nashville from the 70s. It's just uh it's about a bunch of musicians trying trying to get discovered in this gigantic town where everybody is trying to get discovered in music, and I just like the atmosphere of it. It reminds me of uh being at one of those giant music festivals with all sorts of noise and chaos going on, and because the whole movie's presented in that way, it's like 24 different plots all happening simultaneously, and they all come together at the end. But it's it's the closest representation in film that I've ever seen of feeling like you're in that that atmosphere, like festival environment in that in that field, yeah. And as far as like musicals themselves go, I mean, well, I have seen Rocky Horror in the theater like over 40 times, so that that might be right up there if I really had to stop and think about it. It's one of those if you sing one of the songs or give me a line halfway through the movie, well, the rest of it's playing out in my head from there to the very end. Absolutely help it, it's just that's how it's gonna be.

SPEAKER_05 29:22

So that one's that one's been particularly popular when I asked this question. That's been mentioned by a couple of different people about a Rocky Horror Picture Show being their favorite.

SPEAKER_08 29:30

So oh really, okay.

SPEAKER_05 29:32

You're not alone.

SPEAKER_08 29:35

I mean, it's it's amazing, and it's still so much fun to watch, and it's so much fun to go to live.

SPEAKER_05 29:40

Oh, lots of good, good energy. Yeah. So you haven't I know you've uh this may question may be a little bit weird because it's I know you haven't worked with a lot of other people, but um I always like to ask this question because it's as a director, I like to kind of hear people's ideas on this. But do you um do you have feedback from a director that you really have found useful or important, or do you even like to get feedback from a director? Um that type of thing? I'm curious.

SPEAKER_08 30:12

Uh yeah, absolutely. I think the feedback is incredibly helpful. Um I think I think probably the my goal is to make you know, the director say that was better than I imagined it. You know, that was better than how I had pictured it would play out, like whatever you did. And sometimes it's more specific than that. Sometimes there's like, oh, you did this look and it was the perfect look, or you know, whatever it was in the scene that I did. But I think that's my ultimate goal. Um, is just that it it comes to life in a way that um whatever I'm doing is bringing the character to life in a way that you couldn't even have imagined. Um and then I also just love, I think sometimes I'll hear like a big belly laugh from someone uh from like you in particular. I think Cliff is like um, and I'm like, yes, I nailed it, I did it. Um that's always a big compliment. Um, yeah. It's tough for me to run. I think it does make a big difference.

SPEAKER_05 31:15

Good. Yeah, it's tough for me not to run shots when I'm on set, especially with it's especially tougher with people that I like and that I know that I'm working with, because then I'm like I'm kind of cheering them on and laughing, you know. I'm like, I want them to hear the laughter because I think it's important feedback, but at the same time I have to wait until I can say cut and then laugh. So that's a weird, that's a weird thing.

SPEAKER_01 31:37

Yeah, you you always uh hope for that experience on set and as far as it turns into something unexpected and better than what you had hoped for going in. And that's almost always the way in in in some ways, where you go in and you even see a location and you think, well, this isn't what I had in mind, but then you have to adapt to it, but then that ends up being you know better. It's like following the movie's path rather than trying to force it. That's one of the worst things you can do as a director, I think, is like I wrote this script a year ago, it's set in stone, and we're not changing anything. And it's like you know, you gotta be willing to go in there and be flexible with it and find the moments and stuff.

SPEAKER_05 32:21

There's a a great example of that. I think it's uh as far as it turning out better than I pictured it, which was um you know, we kind of turned your character Sarah into sort of an abusive, like rough and ready type of girl. Like, you know, just not gonna she didn't put up with a lot of crap from customers or whatever. And I want you to go out there and beat that kid up. No, I want to beat him down or whatever. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So there's that scene where the where I can't remember which actor it was, says something to you, and then you end up uh chasing him out of the store with the rolled up comic book, right? And then later on you're ramming the vacuum into into Billy, right? So you can, you know, because he said something.

SPEAKER_08 33:06

Yes, it was amazing, so much fun.

SPEAKER_05 33:08

So it was so good, and it turned out so much better. Like I I couldn't have given better direction, or it was perfect, like the way you were just ram, ram, ram, and he jumps up and squealing at you about it. It was so perfect, it was so perfect, and you were you were great, like it the especially the running him out of the store with the comic book. Like, I totally it was hysterically funny. I totally believed it, I bought it completely.

SPEAKER_08 33:33

That's good, and I think I loved I loved those moments because I think they um, you know, being at the time I was like you know a 16-year-old girl with all of my whole host of insecurities and uh fears. And so I think there were times where I sort of drew strength from Sarah of like Sarah wouldn't take this shit, like let's do it. Um and so, you know, sometimes I like to think that I bled into her, and then sometimes I think you know, she I found strength from her in my own ways too.

SPEAKER_05 34:03

I I want to say that we heard something about you doing martial arts, and so that's where we were like, well, if she's doing martial arts, then she can probably pull off this sort of tough role act thing that we want her to do, and that's I think that's where that kind of spawned Sarah's sort of toughness from, right? I don't know. Yeah, in my head at least.

SPEAKER_08 34:20

Yeah, I did martial arts for I mean eight, eight, ten years, something like that. So it was in there. There was a fighter in there to begin with.

SPEAKER_05 34:30

The strength was there at all times. Um I I have a another fun memory of you uh on Revenge of Zoe, where remember we were shooting in Tad's car, um, and he had that red. Yeah, you're right. Yeah, you understand. Yeah, you know where I'm going.

SPEAKER_08 34:47

We should not have taken a drink right before we started talking about the car.

SPEAKER_05 34:51

And you I was it was it was the uh like it made my day where you were just like had you're just like fascinated with the fact that his windows roll up. Like you are, and you there's this even the shot of you when we that we use in the film is of you gleefully rolling the window, like there's this look on your face, just like he as you're rolling this window.

SPEAKER_02 35:12

It still makes me laugh every time I see it. I don't know why, but it's there it is.

SPEAKER_08 35:19

Oh man, that was I mean, it was so much fun, and I think part of it just um yeah, it reminds me. I mean, we've had cars like that before, but I just love finding those little things, and those are the little the little golden nuggets that I just feel like you either absolutely captivate the audience and they get it and they think it's hilarious and they're totally on board, or you've totally lost them. And I think in a good in a good way though, like if they're not in on the inside joke, well, like they they missed out on it, you know.

SPEAKER_05 35:52

Sort of rolling up the window, like I don't know. I don't know, it was great, cracked me up.

SPEAKER_01 36:00

Did you like that storyline? The whole asshole boyfriend thing was do you think that was a good turn for the character at that point?

SPEAKER_08 36:10

Yeah, I think it was uh a marked progression in sort of her maturity level and in how um how the guys sort of saw her too, right? I think they had always sort of seen her as just this little little rug rat kind of in their way, a little bit, a little bit annoying, a little bit um I don't know, a little a little bit infatuated with them. And I think it showed kind of her own progression into being an adult. And in that movie, I think she was also much more helpful to, you know, in a in a different way, right? She was taking on more serious roles um in the business side of things and helping them. Um and so I did I did like that it felt felt true to life in seeing how um we grow up and how I was growing up and how Sarah grew up too.

SPEAKER_05 37:09

Yeah, she felt very grown up in that movie. Like I like I remember you I remember when you came on set for the first day of shooting with Nate, it was like you got a button-up shirt on, like you look like a damn adult. Like you got a button-up shirt on, and nice, you know, it is I don't know. It was like and you got a purse and everything, and and like, you know, at the end of the scene, you're like, and I've got to go. And you put your purse on your arm, you're like, boo, like you're full on, you know, you're not a kid anymore at that point. Like it's not it's not the Sarah from the previous movies, it's Sarah who's a fully formed adult and is now having to help these two morons out with their books because you know they can't figure it out. You know, they've been they've been running a comic book store for 15 years, but they still can't figure out their books, right?

SPEAKER_08 37:49

Yeah, yeah. They they are good at some things, and the books are not one of them. No, not at all.

SPEAKER_01 37:56

Yeah, now she's getting to slap Pete around and now the Owen character is has arrived and he's kind of taken over the the the old position that Sarah once had in the store of the, you know, like you said, the rug rat that's in the way. Like they they kind of find these strays in the world and yeah, they click, yeah, they adopt strays, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 38:21

And they and they help them, right? They adopt them and they you know let them be weird and be themselves and and show them that that's okay. And I will say, I was a little jealous of Owen in that movie because I was like, wait, but he gets to do all the fun, he gets to dance, and he gets to dance on top of all the comic, all the tables, and I want to do that too.

SPEAKER_07 38:44

Now I have to be all serious and grown up.

SPEAKER_08 38:47

So that was that was fun. That's that's hilarious.

SPEAKER_05 38:51

I did too. But that's hilarious that you said it because it it would have that's a grow, I think that's a grow uh as this filmmaker's growing, it just never would have occurred to us that for you to do that in comic book diaries or in writing frenzy. And by the time we got to Revenge of Zoe, it was like, hey, let's put a let's rip off Footloose and put a Kevin Bacon dance number in this bad boy. And it just Well, he did incredible though. He did, he did a really good job. Well, that boy cannot dance. He there is not a rhythm bone in that poor boy's body, and there are behind the scenes stuff of me who also cannot dance, having to try and walk him through just certain moves. It's yeah.

SPEAKER_08 39:29

How do I get the bottom part? I would like to see those.

SPEAKER_05 39:38

I literally think at one point I'm like, no, like this, like this, you know. I'm like, I don't know. I it was pretty embarrassing. It was pretty bad. But it was also a lot of fun. Marty was like, hey, I blocked out half a day for that, and there's and we have nothing else to do but just film this kid doing this thing. And we just pulled up the footloose scene, that scene from the movie, and we went, All right, let's steal this shot, let's steal that shot. And and you don't get it until he takes off his shirt and he goes bouncing down the comic book aisles, whipping his shirt around, then you go, This is from Footloose, and it's just like it's bam, and um it makes me very happy. Um, because we kind of we pulled that off, you know what I mean. Yeah, he was dancing to that song.

SPEAKER_08 40:19

What's that, Marty?

SPEAKER_01 40:21

He was acting the actual song from Footloose was the song that he was dancing to in the store. I mean, obviously it's not in the R movie, but yeah, getting those rhythms.

SPEAKER_08 40:32

Yeah. And I I mean, I think it's kind of fun. I think in so many mainstream movies, we don't see, I mean, like the people who dance in the movie, even when they can't dance, they actually can dance and they're really good dancers. And so, of course, even when they're trying to make it look awkward, it still looks beautiful. Right. And so I kind of love that it he just was awkward and silly and weird, and um, you know, I think that goes back to saying, like, just kind of they take these strays and they let them know that it's okay to be weird and different. And like I I I liked that that actually came through.

SPEAKER_05 41:11

God, I would I mean I would say that honestly, Marty, that's probably thematic through most of our lives as as people. It's like I'm all about the the I'm it's I'm not really about eight to five or people who are really into the normal things of life. I'm all about people who are unique and a little bit different, and I send to kind of collect those people and hey, let's put you in a movie. Hey, uh, let me help you out with your thing over here or whatever. And and uh it's it's not I guess it's not surprising now that I've heard it. It never occurred to me, but now that I heard it, it's not surprising we wrote that into films because we've been doing that for a while.

SPEAKER_01 41:44

And then you actually get to dance with Owen in love song, and we didn't even know that you wanted to dance, but that is great.

SPEAKER_08 41:54

Yeah, oh man, I forgot about that. That was such a fun that looks so that was such a fun day. Oh, that was that was so much fun, I think, just dancing around the comic book store. Um yeah, that was a great time. I cannot wait to see what that looks like. I do remember they showed us some bits of it from you know, like the next day, I think someone had put them together. They were so excited, and oh, it looked amazing.

SPEAKER_05 42:24

Yeah, we I think we and we we learned a big lesson, at least I learned a big lesson, which is don't put music that you can't use to footage of your movie because it makes it so hard for you to find music at that because you're like, that's perfect, that's what I want. And you know, and what do we do? We put hot stuff by Donna Donna Summer over that clip, and it was like it worked so perfectly that it was really tough finding a replacement song that was that's good that we could actually afford. We found one, it's great.

SPEAKER_01 42:52

Like I love it. That's that's even better, I think, that fits the whole tone of the movie, but still has that energy that the hot stuff had initially.

SPEAKER_05 43:03

Yeah, but we I mean we spent a year going, how are we gonna replace hot stuff?

SPEAKER_08 43:10

Yeah, I wondered that because you know, I think uh Jeff has worked really hard at kind of finding these things, but does I I was sort of curious, I guess, how late in the game does he find them, how early, how how does that whole process work?

SPEAKER_01 43:26

It's all over the place because sometimes he has songs before, and then sometimes he has to go looking for them. So, yeah, it's pretty much everything you just said there. It's a before, during, and after process with them. It's also kind of depends on how picky we're being.

SPEAKER_05 43:40

Like, you know, like you know, like that's not really working for us, Jeff. And he's like, All right, I'll go well, let me go, you know, let me go dig into my collection and find something. Like he he found a song for us that is an old bandmate's it was a 45, and they had to take it to a studio and have it digitized. They didn't have it digitized. Digital copy of it for us to use. So they took a perfectly perfect 45 that had never been played for, took it to a studio and had it mastered onto a onto an MP3 for us. And the song's awesome. It's great. We're definitely going to use it. But it's like, you know, he did that because it was like where there's nothing else that we wanted. And he went and was like, well, how about this one? And it was like, yeah, that's great. He's like, okay, well, now I have to get that digitized. Let me go do that for you.

SPEAKER_08 44:25

So well, and I love that because it's something that's going to be new and really not overdone, right? Which I think is so special.

SPEAKER_05 44:35

That's one of the one of the things I've been super pleased with the last two, and Jeff's been, we've talked about this when we told Jeff this, but he was you know, he he and Eric brought everything up to another level, right? And and that last music soundtrack for Zoe Zo Revenge of Zoe and this love song soundtracks just it's fantastic. It's it's a it's like having uh you know, your favorite 80s music, you know, like we talked about great soundtracks, you know. You go back to those 80s films, they've got these killer soundtracks, and and he's just uh put two of them together for us. I'm so happy.

SPEAKER_01 45:06

Yeah, bringing Eric in, yeah, as you remember, the levels went up again. But then when Eric brings Jeff in during Revenge of Zoe, it was like, oh, we're like a band now, the four of us, you know. What one of us can't do, the other one probably can. Oh, we got a problem, don't try to solve it yourself. Ask the other three. They probably have the solution. And that's been working great for about five years so far. Like uh Jeff, he he brought all of uh in addition to the music, he brought all the set decoration and art decoration to it, where it was well as before it would be like just hurry up and shoot the scene, you know, and the the location looks cool. Now he would be like, no, let's put a poster here and little trinkets here and there, and then and then he's having to remember where all those things are on top of it. So and not and think and he's making things specifically for the shoe.

SPEAKER_05 45:57

That was the crazy part. Like he's just he's making media for the shoot.

SPEAKER_08 46:03

Oh, I mean, it was incredible. The the creativity and the caliber of the things that he was creating and the details of them, that I mean, I hope that people can see in there because it it was it brought the set to life in a in a really cool way that felt like it was no longer a comic book store, it was this particular comic book store that we were we were in Pete's comic book store, you know what I mean? And that was really cool.

SPEAKER_05 46:31

Well, that was a that that was a wild day of shooting. That when we that day that you were in the frenzy outfit with Autumn. I mean, that was I mean, I was there was probably what 25 people in that store, probably 20 people in that store. So many people, so many people so many people, and I mean that's probably the most amount of people I've ever had on a set before, and had to, you know, Marty and I've had to wrangle basically all at once, probably right, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 46:56

Brutal. I mean, there was that memorial scene in writing frenzy where everybody was outside, but everybody's just sitting in their chairs, yeah. This is the same as you all have to try to attack Owen at the same time.

SPEAKER_05 47:10

Yeah, multiple things going on. You've got Autumn and her over here, you've got Owen and his attack, and you've got the break breaking all that up and dragging him into the back and that whole deal, and yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:21

It's fantastic. And it's a good thing we shot that when we did, because getting that whole group of people that tight without any masks or anything, that wasn't gonna happen a month or two later. So but we were the right time to get that done.

SPEAKER_08 47:36

That was like the week before everything shut down, basically. Literally. That was the the only time that it could have possibly been done. Because I remember when I flew back to California after shooting with you guys. I think there were what like 10 people on my entire plane. I mean, everything was shut down at that point. It was I was amazed I could even get back.

SPEAKER_05 48:01

Same same with me. I I actually didn't fly. I um called the airport. I called the airport and said, I like I'm not gonna fly. Um uh did so I called Enterprise and said, I'm gonna I'm gonna drive. Do you have a car? And they said, Yeah, uh, we've got a here's a brand new Dodge Ram pickup at$17 a day one way.

SPEAKER_06 48:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 48:20

And so so I or it was it cost me$75 to drive. I I stayed in a hotel halfway there. It cost me$75 to drive from Tucson to Oklahoma City in gas and in the truck rental to get there. Or not, I'm sorry, not with the gas, probably more like$120, but it was shockingly cheap. I couldn't believe it. They were they were literally just throwing because nobody was renting vehicles at that point. It was it was before everybody caught in in the pandemic that oh, I'll go rent a vehicle and all that kind of nobody wanted to travel or touch anything, you know. Oh, dude, I yeah, I yeah, he he pulls me up to the thing, and I've got a can of Lysol in my backpack and like you know, sanitizing wipes and alcohol swabs, so I'm like spraying all the door handles and spraying the steering wheel, and you remember that whole thing. Um yeah, so you know, absolutely yeah. I just lysoled it down, and then of course I stayed in the hotel room, Lysoled it down, then re-lysoled the truck and drove home. It was hysterical.

SPEAKER_01 49:15

Yeah, we originally were gonna have like another three or four days, but we decided to stop for many reasons. But the main reason was we don't know if people are gonna be able to go back home if we keep going until Friday. It turns out they would have, but we didn't know. So we had to had to stop early and then finish the next year.

SPEAKER_05 49:38

Yeah, we had one or two actors that were like, look, I'm I'm kind of at my limit with this. They were hit the break. Like I've like I I yeah, I've I mean, risk is one thing, but like we're at the point of my will, my ability to risk what's going on, my willingness to risk my health on this. And it was like, yeah, I mean, I get that. I'm I can't argue that. I understood. We got almost all of it.

SPEAKER_01 49:57

It is interesting how how it affected everything because we were gonna shoot at Charlie's store last, right? And those were the scenes that we didn't get done, and then in the interim, his store went away, and so we had to build our own fake store, which is where Jeff comes in, finding the location and building it from scratch to make it look like a store. And so this is the first one of the series that wasn't shot in no Charlie's store.

SPEAKER_05 50:25

It's very shot. I know I was as heartbroken as you are, dude. I moved to it, but we I pushed so hard to shoot in that store, and it just couldn't get done. Yeah, I I I told Mario, I was like, dude, this is not we have to shoot in his store, we have to shoot in his store, couldn't happen. And then he he went out of business and it was like boom, and now we're not doing it.

SPEAKER_08 50:46

Yeah, Charlie. I know what is he up to? Do you guys know? Yeah, he's retired.

SPEAKER_01 50:51

He was running from home for a while, but then he decided to just, you know, so he's just reading a lot and just enjoying life and not really worrying about much. So I talk to him about every couple weeks or so.

SPEAKER_08 51:05

Oh, good, that makes me happy.

SPEAKER_01 51:07

Yeah, he's doing it.

SPEAKER_08 51:07

He's such a sweet guy.

SPEAKER_05 51:09

We'll have to have him on the podcast because he was really he was really big, instrumental. Like I remember when we wrote the first script, and and Marty was like, There's no way we're gonna we're gonna have to build a comic book store, we're gonna have to rent a space, we're gonna have to build a comic book store, we're gonna have to be a blah blah blah. And we ended up basically talking about it, and he and let me make some phone calls, you know, and finally called Charlie, and Charlie was like, bring your butt down here and shoot whatever you need to shoot, and was the easiest guy to work with. I mean, we literally invaded that guy's business for two, three weeks at a time, pushing him around, using his electricity, you know, 105 10 15 people eating, making you know, making Charlie's a routine type of dude. He likes to listen to his music, he's got things he does, you know, and we really messed that up for him, but he was just as gracious as he could be about it.

SPEAKER_08 51:58

Oh, yeah, he was the sweetest, kindest person. And I did love sometimes when we'd have to be like, okay, no, wait. Charlie needs to do something, he needs to make the sale, he needs to do X, Y, or Z. Like, everyone stop and let's let Charlie actually have his running call bookstore. Or, you know, we'd shoot after hours and stuff like that. But yeah, he was he's he's the sweetest.

SPEAKER_05 52:22

Yep. I always remember having to ask you to turn the music off. Charlie can turn the music off. Charlie can turn on. Oh, they just turn the music back on, Charlie. Because the minute we'd stop shooting, he'd sneak back over there on his computer and click, click. And uh, you wouldn't even notice it. And then you're like, if you just kind of bobber your head good tunes, and then suddenly you're like, Oh, can we can we turn that off, please? I gotta shoot something.

SPEAKER_01 52:40

That's where occasionally you'll see him in the background of a shot. You know, we play it off like he's just a customer in the store, but it's like, well, why is that customer sitting at that desk there? Well, you know, he's he's just he's reading, yes.

SPEAKER_08 52:55

That's yeah, he's he's just he's a returning customer. There are other actors who were returning customers, so he's he's the best one of all.

SPEAKER_05 53:08

How was it um how is it working with like working with Tad having a boyfriend type character in in revenge and all that thing? Because you you know you went through a kind of an arc with him, the you know, the the boyfriend who seems like he's all that and then isn't type of thing, you know. So I'm just I'm curious how you how you how how that went.

SPEAKER_08 53:30

Um I think it went good. I think it's a relatable storyline um to kind of have this partner that you think is so great and so wonderful, and then you sort of realize no, that's not true. And so I think that that was really easy to relate to. Um, it was a little bit hard to hate him because he's actually really nice.

SPEAKER_05 53:52

Yeah, he's a great dude. So Alex is a great dude. Love that guy.

SPEAKER_08 53:58

Um, so yeah, so it was it was hard to hard to be mad at him because he did make me laugh and and stuff on set.

SPEAKER_05 54:05

Um he you guys seemed to have a good time while you were on set together.

SPEAKER_08 54:09

We did, except some of the times he just falls asleep. He he just like falls straight asleep in a chair, like between things. It's like how is he gonna sleep? There's so much going on, there's so much noise. And he sat down for 30 seconds and he'd just be like, Wow.

SPEAKER_01 54:28

How do you stay up and do all this, man? I don't know how you do it. It's like we just do it, man. We just do it.

SPEAKER_05 54:35

You're like 40, 20 years old. What do you mean? You should be running around circles around us at this point.

SPEAKER_01 54:43

It's it's funny you mentioned that your the story dynamic with him was the relationship that you thought was good, but it turned out it wasn't because that's totally John's storyline in comic book diaries with his angry ex-girlfriend who trashes stuff in the store. Yeah. Like, oh, we kind of uh hit that theme up again. We gave it to your character that time around. Yeah, only it was better. I think it worked, I felt like it worked better this time. It did, it did.

SPEAKER_08 55:13

Well, and I think one of the things that I liked about Sarah and Tad was just that um he what made her realize that he wasn't all that was really just how he interacted with the guys and how the guys interacted with him, and how just he just really didn't fit in with her world and what she was looking for and um the kind of person and things that she finds fun. And so I think I I loved that it wasn't it wasn't anything in particular that he like did, but she just was like, this doesn't fit in with my life and these guys who mean so much to me.

SPEAKER_05 55:50

Yeah, yeah. Well, it's that one of my favorite scenes in the movie is you bring him in for the meet, you know, and they they mess with him, they're obviously screwing with him, and of course they threaten him, you know, and then you're like, Okay, thanks guys, you know, you kind of could have been worse, I guess, and you leave, and then the two of them are just kind of watching you leave and like no way, you know. They there's this this whole side conversation that's with the two of them of like, nope, that's not the guy. Like, that's not it. Now, but they don't tell you that, they don't come to you and say, Hey, you know, this guy's terrible. They they let you work it out, but they still know it's like that's never gonna happen. That's not the guy at all.

SPEAKER_08 56:29

Well, because if they had told Sarah that, she would have dug her heels in, right? Right. And and they knew they know that about her, and and so obviously they had to let her find it out themselves herself.

SPEAKER_05 56:40

I think that's some pretty good subtext that like if you follow those, if you were to watch those movies, you go, Oh, they did that for a reason. Like they they know her well enough that they did that for a reason, yeah. Yeah, it was really good. Um, and then of course later on when you do the um the group hug is one of my favorite shots and scenes in the entire movie, is you know, where you come running into the you know, you walk in laughing at them, like what the hell? You want to get in on this? Hell yeah, you just come jumping into this group hug, and you know, of course, Tad is like I don't want anything to do with that. That's great.

SPEAKER_08 57:11

Yeah. And that it felt very it felt very real, I think, for like me too as a person. It was like it was very comforting and very like it almost felt like something we would do.

SPEAKER_05 57:24

Yes, very much so. Yes. I I remember being a little bit jealous myself that I wasn't gonna be able to be in that group hug because it looked like a pretty good group hug, right?

SPEAKER_01 57:36

Yeah, and uh not to give away too many behind the scenes secrets, but uh Bobby, the D the DP on the movie, he did some pretty amazing uh special effects work on that scene because we shot it at night, but it was supposed to be daytime. And he went back in, he he went back to the store on by himself months later, shot new plates to put in. So when you watch the movie, it's all digital daytime, and stirred it behind you and Tad during the uh hugging sequence. Yeah, and he did such a good job. He did a really good job of making it or even notice it.

SPEAKER_08 58:13

Yeah. I remember when I watched that scene and I thought about, did they have lights on out there that I didn't thinking that we had lights on outside because I remember it being night and then it was day, and I was like, they must have like turned on some lights or something, and I didn't notice right now because it looked it looked seamless.

SPEAKER_01 58:33

Yeah, I was really impressed with that because we were like, what are we gonna do? We we should have that. That's something that fell through the cracks, right? Because we it was like an 11-hour day of shooting, which most industry professionals are like, oh, that's nothing, but it was it was wearing us down, you know. But then we look it back, and I I think we were trying not to shoot the window, was the idea, but then you kind of had to shoot the window. But in the end, you you'd never know, and now everybody watches the movie are gonna be looking at that and be like, Oh, I could totally see whatever. As far as uh working on films go, is there another role that you would be interested in doing outside of just acting?

SPEAKER_08 59:25

Oh, um, yeah, there I I think um I love I I would love to do screenwriting. I think that would be so much fun. I think it would be so hard because I I do think I'm a perfectionist, and so getting that story fully fleshed out is something that I think is so hard to me. Because I think there's a difference between having an idea and starting an idea and having something that is completely fleshed out bit by bit, details, all of these things that you are thinking about and picturing in your head. Um, but I think that that seems like such a fun, incredibly rewarding, incredibly cool. I mean, just to be able to do all of that, I think it's really cool. Um so that would be a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:19

I think it's cool too.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:23

It it it really kind of is, because I mean it's it's hard like anything else, you know. All filmmaking is just a lot of hard work, like anything, but it is gratifying when those characters start to take on that life of their own. And I mean you're still writing it, but it's kind of you're just following, following the answer. And then once you bring all the actors and everybody else into it, and they start bringing in their parts, and it just you know, like you're saying uh earlier, it becomes something better or or the unexpected thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:58

Yeah, and I think that that would be so fun and satisfying to see something that came out of just a spark of an idea, right? To flourish into something that becomes way more than the sum of its parts. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:15

Early on, I oh go ahead, Cliff. Go ahead. No, no, please. Um I I was just gonna say real quickly, I think that's how we got from movie to movie to movie was one spark of an idea which turned into the next thing, which was the next thing, you know. Like I said, we never intended to do two sequels.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:30

Right. Yeah, early on, I would think, you know, like like I was saying, like oh, this this is the story and don't change it, and I want it to be specifically this, and now I've come out the other end of oh, you can change everything as long as the essence of what we were going for comes through in the end, because that's that's what serves the story, serves the movie. And and I think that's one of the real tricks is you just you you gotta know what you want, but at the same time, you gotta be open to all the ideas wherever they might come from.

SPEAKER_08 1:02:03

Yeah, and it's I I think like sometimes the spark of the idea is such such a small specific piece that it's easy to get lost and not see the whole huge big picture. So it's nice to hear that hopefully the big picture is what comes together nicely, even if the details are changed.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:21

It is. It's um yeah, it's it's like um, I think I've said this to you and others on set, like you don't have to be married to the words on the page, just get the get the gist across, hit the hit the joke. You know, just please make sure you hit the joke and then just get the gist of it across. You know, I know I just wrote you a paragraph, and I know it's a wordy script. You don't have to say every word exactly like that. Just get the gist of what we're trying to say, hit the joke, and you know, that's fine. Because that's that's that gives you, you know, that gives the actor the freedom to kind of make it their own a little bit, you know. Um, and especially if they're in tune with the character, they're gonna they're gonna do that.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:00

And you, I mean, having played that character four freaking times, it's like she's we trust that you know it's just like you and Eric and Nate and Bradford and Paul, everybody who keeps coming back and playing these characters, like, oh, you you know the character probably better than we do at this point. We have ideas of who they are and what they do, but we we run that past you, you know. I don't think we ever had anything where you or any of them came up to us and said, I don't think so-and-so would do this, you know. But even if you did, we would have really taken it into consideration because absolutely you're the other part of bringing that to life.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:39

Yeah, I think that was so fun. Um, and it made it kind of, I think, less stressful to know that, like, oh, if I say this word in a different order or drop this one word or whatever, because it just doesn't flow, or that's not how Sarah's saying it as she's smacking someone.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:58

Right.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:59

It worked out well. Um, although I do know there's one reason in particular that you had to rein in sometimes about making sure that they hit the right joke instead of their own very hilarious jokes.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:14

Yes, yes, our boy Nate. Yeah, it was always just just give me one like I wrote it, and then we'll do, and then he caught on to that. Like that was our trick early on. It was like, just do one like we wrote it, and then he'd go, Okay, now can I do mine? I'm like, nope, we got we're moving on, man. We ain't got any time for that. And then he started to rale was like, no, I'm not playing that game anymore. I'm just gonna do the line. And and he kind of does like uh Kevin Smith describes Ben Affleck doing the same thing and chasing Amy, right? Where he just adds a little zinger to the end of it, you know, and and so Nate would start adding these little things at the end of it where it's like, stop, dude, please know. And then and then sometimes, but sometimes they were hilarious, and it was like, all right, we'll leave that one in.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:54

That's really good. I think we're finally getting to the point with him where he knows or he's learning when to bring it in. Because he was our Cinderella story, you know, he had never done anything before, and he came into the audition much like you did, and we were like, Oh, this guy's got the energy, we'll bring him in, you know. And so now we've hopefully imparted it enough to him to where, and I think I think he gets it, like if we get to the end of a of a of a scene and we haven't called cut yet, that's your time to go. Yeah. He's like, Yeah, I know, but you call cut too fast, and it's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we do. We'll get into a rhythm here with you.

SPEAKER_08 1:05:37

No, I think I think in the the most recent one, I feel like there were a couple good times where he really found a little bit of space to to throw his own little razzle dazzle in there, which is is always really fun. Um, but I do have to re remember that he's gonna do it because otherwise I'll I'll lose it.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:02

Yeah, he I remember he said in the in one of the we we interviewed him for the podcast a couple weeks ago and he said uh he said yeah I I do that up until I hear Marty say as it is on the page please and he said that's my uh that's my cue. He said you do it really nicely. He's like it's very calm. It's like it's just uh as like like it's like it's written on the page, please. He's like, and that's my that's my cue to okay. I since crit screwing around here.

SPEAKER_08 1:06:27

Yeah, Marty's good at good at that about like you can tell Marty's mood a little bit whenever it's like okay, nope, he's done. And it's it's just like this very subtle shift that I think maybe Nate didn't pick up on at the at first, but yeah, it's um but he's a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:46

Yeah, you've been god, you've been there for all like you've been there for you've been there for all of it. Like you've been there for the meltdowns, you've been there for the like all of that stuff. Like you've literally been there. It's so funny. Like we yeah, all of it. I mean, and and again, we don't have Mary May, it's it's one meltdown usually on the set. It's usually between me and Marty, and it's usually over quickly, but it's usually and it's usually over something so dumb that everybody else is standing around going. Like really, what's the problem? That's that's the thing. That's the thing that's really okay. I think that this one was about I think the last one was about the the the placard or something, or some sort of dancing we were doing.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:29

One of my favorite arguments on set, actually, because we've gotten so used to these things that I was like, oh, here it comes. I'm thinking in the back of my head, we're at this point now. So he's in front, you shoot the thing, and he goes outside. I'm like, okay, I will. Okay, now you guys do this and this, and the shot is in the movie.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:49

It's just like I was like, I was like, good, like let him let him move on. I'm gonna cool off out here. This is hilarious.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:54

Like, okay, okay, you guys just dance for a little bit, and then the next thing you know, we were back at it. But yep, we're done. That's hilarious. Previously, it might have been where everything shut down for like 15 minutes or something. This time it's like, here, pass the baton, you go here, I'll do this. And I remember even you, Julie, were looking at me almost like uh, because like you, you could you could feel the tension in the air, and a lot of it had to do with March 2020, and we're constantly. Oh, yeah, it was just it was just stress.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:25

Yeah, it had nothing to do with what was going on instead. It was just uh the stress had finally built up. Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:31

I'm thinking about that shot. I know that shot. Okay, but we gotta get the shot. The sun's going down, you know, that typical onset type shit.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:39

Were you there, Julie? Were you there for the warm bakery from the were you there for the warm all the baked baked goods from the bakery next door at the during the during the shoot at the comic book store? Or games. At Isle of Games, because there was a bakery next door to that's some of my favorite memories. There's a bakery next door to Isle of Games, and every morning we get there at six or seven and they'd have their doors open, and it's just fresh French bed coming out of that place, and I'd go in there and buy croissants and hot cross buns and stuff and pass them out. I don't know if you remember that or not. Were you there for that?

SPEAKER_08 1:09:08

Yeah, I mean, I remember eating them, yes. I remember also being in my revenge my my costume and being like, hmm, should I really be eating all of these?

SPEAKER_03 1:09:20

I forgot about that. That's hilarious.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:23

I was like, maybe I should film the scene first, and then I'll have like five of these donuts.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:29

You were in the street clothes when we went to Carl Jr., right? I can't remember. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:34

Yeah, okay. I don't know if she was in costume at Carl's Jr.

SPEAKER_08 1:09:38

I don't remember if she were you in costume at Carl's Jr. I was I was in costume. We walked over. I put on I had a I had a big old sweater just like wrapped around myself. I felt like um eating um in just a bra was like not the best vibe for most people who were eating. I wanted Carl, I wanted to make sure that the businesses around us still liked us.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:04

So outside of film, we we always you know here on this podcast, we're presuming everybody's first main interest in their life is movie making. But what would be your secondary interest? I mean, Cliff and I already know the answer to this, but it'll be what you choose to share with the podcast audience, of course.

SPEAKER_08 1:10:24

Oh yeah. Well, I mean, I work in healthcare. I'm a doctor, and so I think um let me tell you, acting and uh doctoring are both very hard careers. They are not easy, and so I do think it's kind of funny that I feel like um, you know, acting was absolutely is absolutely an uphill batter for everyone who's in it. And I mean, you can get lucky and you can get um good roles and you can get in with the best people, and you still maybe not don't even have success, right? Even if you have the best role, it just might not get you anywhere. Um, and so I do think it's kind of funny that I pivoted from something that is very challenging to something that is also very challenging and has a lot of uphill um battles and a lot of obstacles in the way. Um, but yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:11:19

I I'm I still like a challenge. It still boggles my mind you're a doctor. Like, I mean, I'm I mean, I get it. I know you've you were biology and this and that, and I mean as we talked and you've grown up and all that type of stuff, and and but it's just like she's a doctor. She's this big, right? She's 14 and she's got magic cards that she needs to sell. Like, what? She's a doctor. I'm just anyway, super proud of you. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:45

Thank you. I still have the um, you know, the black dyed hair and ribbed jeans. They're just on the inside. It's not a professional package, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:00

Well, it I'm sure this isn't just a single answer. We could almost go through each movie, but what were some of your favorite moments on set with them? Let's go through each movie.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:11

I'd love to hear about if you if you can remember one from each movie, that would be awesome.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:15

Oh my goodness. Okay, let's see.

SPEAKER_05 1:12:18

So comic book diaries.

SPEAKER_08 1:12:20

Comic book diaries, I think I was just all nerves and I was just all trying to make everyone like proud. And I I was like I said, I was so incredibly flattered that like this character had gotten re gendered just for for me. Um, and so I was like, okay, I can't let him down, right? I have to be just full of fire. And so I think um, I think I remember there was one point where I looked over and I saw you guys like sort of nodding, and I was like, Yes, okay, I did it. It's okay. Like I'm doing something good. They're nodding, so it's probably okay. Um, and so I think that was a lot of it was very rewarding to see that, to feel that um in the middle of the scene, even um, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:09

Writing frenzy.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:12

Um writing frenzy.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:13

Um you had a very much bigger, you had a much bigger role in writing frenzym.

SPEAKER_08 1:13:17

Yeah, so it's it's hard to pick because there were so many fun moments. I mean, fun moments in front of the camera when we I was running a vacuum into people and slapping people with comic books and um all sorts of fun things like that. Um, but I also just really I enjoyed a lot of the moments like behind the scenes, um, feeling like very accepted by all of the guys on set. I was, I you know, think it could have been really, really awkward and really terrible for me to be this like lone girl on set, um, this kid, right? And I it never felt like that. And so there was just a lot of laughs and a lot of fun. Um I I will never forget having to study chemistry, but don't realize being like, okay, Marty's running to get food.

SPEAKER_07 1:14:11

Something okay, I'm gonna study. Hold on, don't don't talk to me. No, I don't want to run lines right now. Hold on, I have a test.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:17

Oh, I wish I had a picture of that. That's great. So, revenge. Do you have a do you have a favorite form of revenge?

SPEAKER_08 1:14:27

Ooh, ooh, also very fun.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:30

Um you had your bachelorette party while you were shooting that, right?

SPEAKER_08 1:14:35

Yes, I did. I'm amazed you remember that. Um, yeah. Um, and my my best friend, she flew in and surprised me, so she was there. I didn't even know she was gonna be there, so that was a lot of fun. Um I think um on okay, onset was probably my favorite moment aside from rolling up the little windows. Um was um I remember I had made a bet. I think I think I bet Cliff, I was like, okay, you have to give me five bucks if I do this in one take. And I it was literally just walking up to the mark and saying hi, guys, or something, and I didn't do it, and it was like, oh my god, I felt so embarrassed. Um it was the easiest take, and I failed. I like looked down at the mark and everything. Oh, oh my god, what am I doing here? Why do these guys invite me back? Um, and then um, I think I had a lot of fun hanging out. I think we had done this photo shoot, Sarah and Owen. We had done this photo shoot out front. That was a ton of fun too. I love some of those pictures. I think to find the rest of them because they were so much fun.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:54

We've got access to all that stuff. We'll send you all that stuff. We can send you copies of all that stuff, not a problem.

SPEAKER_08 1:15:59

Oh my gosh. I mean, I would love to see any of the old things that you have from the sets, or like Marty, you had mentioned my audition tape.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:08

Oh, yeah, it's somewhere in the archive. Yeah.

unknown 1:16:11

Oh man.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:11

Oh yeah, we gotta check it out.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:14

We gotta get this.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:15

That's that's gotta be somewhere covered in dust. And but that would be fun to watch.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:22

So love song.

SPEAKER_08 1:16:24

Love song. Love song. Love song. Um, man, it was just so much fun to be in um the costume. I got to be in the costume. Um, that was so much fun. And then um, ooh, I think the throwing dollar bills into the mouth was a lot of fun. We were like cloxing the dollar bills before we did.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:52

We were all just throwing them over there. But they were hand sanitizing the dollar bills before we bought them up and throw them in an actor's mouth. Oh my god, I forgot about that.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:02

I think it was it was supposed to be Nate who was throwing them like in the scene. It's supposed to be Pete, right? And it was, but it was, I think Cliff and I were like throwing them. Yeah, because Nate was throwing it. I won't do this. I want to come and throw it. It's not even on camera, I don't care, but it was supposed to be. Yeah, that was tons of fun.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:30

That's one of the special effects that we had done where we had somebody erase it. It's a it's it worked and run the footage backwards, so it looks like it's oh no, no, and Owen's and we part of it was Owen's mouth.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:44

Even between the three of us, we couldn't get it right. Make a landing zone for the dollar bill, right? So we ended up having to put a string to it and yank it out of his mouth instead.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:52

So it worked. So do you have anything you wanna plug? I mean, obviously uh motherhood is is coming up. You could plug that.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:05

Um, well, yeah, I don't I don't know. It seems like also a very hard job.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:11

Yeah. Yeah. Is it boy? Do you know do you know if it's boy or girl?

SPEAKER_08 1:18:14

Or are you Oh, it's a secret.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:17

It's a secret, you're not telling okay. All right.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:20

Okay. Well, you'll tell us eventually. Wait, we'll find out.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:24

Yeah. Everyone will find out. Um, we are we are trying to avoid the ballerinas or baseball sort of um dichotomies.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:38

Oh, oh, I see what you're saying. Oh, okay, gotcha, gotcha.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:41

So we're trying to keep it a surprise. I have almost slipped up, but we'll see.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:47

Playing the pronoun game. When's uh the projected due date?

SPEAKER_08 1:18:54

Um beginning of March.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:58

Wow. Wow, that's not that's not long. Pondo baby!

SPEAKER_08 1:19:05

I know. Well, when is when are we when are we gonna see a premiere, guys?

SPEAKER_05 1:19:10

Oh, it's coming. Oh, it's coming. Um we wanted we were talking about we we think we want to do an online premiere. Like an online, like an online viewing party just for the cast and the crew, so we can all get together in a big meet, like a big Zoom meeting or something, and we'll just watch the film. And then yeah, and then we're gonna we're gonna do um the normal circuit with um some film festivals, film festivals and all that stuff. So we we'll look for one in Montana. If there's one around, we'll we'll apply to it. And if we get in, you take your take your butt down there and see it. But you got oh speaking of which you got the best experience that even Marty and I haven't had. You got the best experience of all. You got to see it at Grauman's Chinese theater.

SPEAKER_08 1:19:52

Yes, I did. Oh my gosh, that was so cool. That was so cool. Yeah, Bradford was there too, I think, right? Yes, yes, he was. Yes, that was so much fun. Um, and now anytime I see you know clips of LA on movies or anything, you always see the Chinese theater, right? And I'm like, yeah, I've been on that screen. That was oh my god. I that was such a fantastic uh kind of out-of-body experience. Like, what this is actually happening.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:27

I was so I was so proud that we got there first and then that we got some actors who actually got to go to it. I was just like, me, I was like, that was so amazing.

SPEAKER_08 1:20:35

Oh yeah, I drove, I mean, I drove across the state to be fair. I drove all the way from Sacramento down to LA. I was not gonna miss that. I was not at all gonna miss that.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:46

Wow, that's cool. And that was another one of those right before shutdown activities that it was right January or February. So it it's so good that that happened right when it did, because otherwise that wouldn't have happened. Yeah, I'm very glad that you know, of all people, somebody who's been with us so freaking long got to go experience one of the the big highlights.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:10

It's like, yes, represents probably the best the best screening we've ever had, would have been. I mean, as far as the event, the venue. Yeah, you can't be you can't be you can't be Grumman's. Um, you can't.

SPEAKER_08 1:21:22

That's incredible.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:23

Jeff and Anissa, my wife, we all got to see it. Um we went to Vegas and saw it. Uh it played at the film festival at the Orleans Casino in Las Vegas. They have a 16-screen movie theater at the on the second floor of the casino. And so they had the film festival there and we got to see it on a really big screen. It was really nice because that was a single, but it sure wasn't Gromitz.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:49

I only ever saw it in Tuscon. So but the next movie, I'm definitely taking myself to one of these big screenings somewhere. Definitely.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:57

Yeah, yeah. We want to we want to do some festivals like like we're gonna try and do one in uh down in Valdasta, Georgia. That's where Olivia is. We want to do one, do one in Tucson or somewhere in Arizona. Heck, Montana. Well who knows? Maybe there's one close somewhere we can do there, whatever. Um, but we're gonna at least shoot for those so at least we can, you know, if it's local, maybe somebody can show up and and represent and see the film and enjoy it. Yeah, it's more of our victims. Yeah, that's a great idea. Yeah, yeah. Give as many victories.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:26

Because everyone is pretty spread out now, right?

SPEAKER_05 1:22:30

Yeah, it's yeah, it's like the gang's all grown up and moved on to college or something. Jeff's in New Mexico, and you're in Montana, and yeah. Olivia's in Georgia, and everybody's all over the place now. I'm in Oklahoma.

SPEAKER_08 1:22:45

Well, hey, you know, Cliff, where where are you exactly?

SPEAKER_02 1:22:48

I'm in Oklahoma. Yes.

SPEAKER_07 1:22:52

You're not where we started either.

SPEAKER_05 1:22:54

So no, I wish. I love this thing. Yeah, that's another long story for another podcast at another time.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:01

How Cliff ended up in Oklahoma.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:04

Well, so are you two going to do a podcast where people interview you or you interview each other and you talk about that? Because I would also really love to hear that.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:16

So one of the episodes that we're gonna do is us interviewing each other.

unknown 1:23:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:20

Marty was like Marty was like, we should probably have a inter a podcast where we just talk with each other about ourselves and about the movies and all that stuff. So yeah, we're gonna do one of those.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:28

Yes, please. I can't wait to hear that. And please go. You can also, you know, dig out things from the archives, which I'm sure you still have um from the very beginning.

SPEAKER_05 1:23:41

Oh god, dude, there's old stuff. Yeah, there's 30 years of video that we have that we can show people. That's a lot of stuff. Some of it will never see the light of day because it doesn't need to. And some of it's actually pretty funny. Right.

unknown 1:23:56

Yep.

SPEAKER_08 1:23:57

Uh well, you had the luxury of um making some of these before the internet existed. So, or at least before it was everything in the world was on the internet, yeah. Never died.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:09

If we had done, if we had done our our pot our if we had done our television show, our our you know, our our um public access show when the internet was around, we wouldn't have survived. I mean, we we wouldn't the things that we got away with on that show, you just wouldn't get away with nowadays. You just it'd be a controversial firestorm of craziness, you know.

SPEAKER_08 1:24:32

I feel like I remember watching one of these on YouTube, though. You put a couple up there? Okay, all right.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:39

They're on YouTube, yeah. You can catch them. Yeah, we were just we were crazy, crazy. I mean, look, I mean, we didn't go, it wasn't wild, but at the same time, like I honestly I can't imagine being on social media after an episode of one of those shows on a Friday night. I just can't I can't imagine.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:54

Oh, it's a whole different world.

SPEAKER_05 1:24:56

Yeah, it was so isolated then. Uh uh. Yeah. All the thing we had to worry about was people every now and then driving down to the studio and threatening to kick our asses. That never happened.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:06

They call up and say wait, what? And then you'd meet and we're your biggest fan. We call up and harass you every week, and we thought it was funny.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:13

You know, it ha it you know usually we was just us taunting people and daring them, which never happened. We will drag out some of the old footage for you because yeah, that would be fun. Um I bet you uh I bet you you probably haven't ever seen your audition tape, so I bet you that would be pretty funny. Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:33

I yeah, I've never seen that.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:35

Yeah, I I know where that is.

SPEAKER_08 1:25:37

You know right where it is. Oh my gosh, of course you do already.

SPEAKER_05 1:25:41

Yeah, yeah, he knows where all the hard drives. He's got all the hard drives. They're all great with him. All the secrets. Um, let's see. Do you have anything so nothing to plug other than hey, it's Dr. Julie. Come see Dr. Julie if you're in Montana, she'll picture right up.

SPEAKER_08 1:26:01

Yeah, absolutely. Please do. I'm here. I'm here to listen, here to help. A woman of many talents.

SPEAKER_05 1:26:11

We got that right. We really appreciate you coming on. It's been so good to see you. We don't talk enough, I don't get to see you enough. And um your life's turning out awesome. I can't wait to see these babies. I want to see pictures of babies and stuff. Oh, um we're just gonna throw it out there. Um just just consider it. Just don't don't give us an answer now. Consider it. Let it let it marinate. Maybe the middle name of the baby is Pondo. Oh god, don't do that. Just let it just let it, just let it, just don't, don't, don't, just let it just shh just think about it. You know, maybe maybe maybe it happens, maybe.

SPEAKER_08 1:26:53

Maybe I'm just saying. Wait until I'm exhausted and tired and signing a birth certificate.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:00

Exactly. Exactly. Then it'll come to you and be like, William Pondo, fine here. Oh Nick L.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:08

We did it!

SPEAKER_05 1:27:15

Uh well, it's it's gonna be a Pondo baby. We gotta at least try for a Pondo name, right, Marty. Because we know we're gonna put your baby in a movie, right?

SPEAKER_08 1:27:25

Ah yes, the next generation.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:29

Next generation, indeed.

unknown 1:27:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:27:32

Oh my gosh. We got Christina's child in the previous one, so keep that going.

SPEAKER_08 1:27:37

Oh, yeah. Well, you guys know if w whatever you um whatever you create next, I'll I'll be there in whatever way I can for you guys. Um, it's so much fun working with you guys over so many years, and you guys have treated me so well, and I I love it. Well, you're like family connected to kind of this creative bit. That brings me so much joy.

unknown 1:28:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:02

I can't imagine making a movie without you some in some capacity. Seriously. I I just I can't like dude find a day, find a role, find a something. We gotta put Julie in the movie. That's gonna happen.

unknown 1:28:12

So yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:13

Yeah. I'll be there.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:15

Right on.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:15

You let me know where and when.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:17

Next one may be horror, so you may be who knows.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:21

I'll I'll come and scream or you know, run away in the background, whatever, whatever's there. I'll be there.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:28

You can be like, um, actually, when you cut the jugular, that's not the way the blood flows. I'm a doctor. I know these things. Thank you.

SPEAKER_08 1:28:37

Um, yes, I I would give you notes on that kind of stuff because it does drive me a little bit wild how often they get those so wrong.

SPEAKER_05 1:28:47

Do they really?

SPEAKER_08 1:28:48

Like on like on television shows and stuff? Yeah, the number of times that people have like they they spit up blood so easily. I'm like, why? What what on earth did they hit that made you spit up blood? Like they got your arm and you're spitting up blood. Like, I it drives me crazy.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:08

I've heard I've heard a lot of doctors, not a lot, but I've heard some doctors complain of that like intubating is one of the things that they get wrong constantly on on like medical shows. I don't know why like I guess the procedure, what is a little more it takes longer or it's more complicated, or what they because they make it look like, oh, here you go, flashlight, shove the tube down his throat, we're good. Uh type of thing, which is they say it's a little tougher than that.

SPEAKER_08 1:29:32

It is. I mean, hopefully it's not. Hopefully it's that easy. But if it's that easy, you shouldn't be doing it. But you know, but anyways, so whatever you guys need me for, I'll I'll be there.

SPEAKER_05 1:29:43

Cool. Awesome. Well, we're it's something's coming down the pipe. We're working on a couple different things.

SPEAKER_08 1:29:47

So you know, eventually you'll hear from us again saying I guess what I can't wait to hear what uh you guys create next, what the next idea is that you follow down this path.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:02

Marty's got an interesting one, I think. I think you'll like it. He's got an interesting take on horror movies, not something I've heard before. So I'm I'm I'm excited.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:10

Okay, cool.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:12

Well, Julie James. Very different. Thanks for being here. I we really appreciate you. You're the best. I appreciate you guys too. You're the best. Um we'll we'll contact you. We'll probably have you on again next season or season after kind of follow-up, after the baby's born, all that kind of stuff. Maybe after the movie's release, we can talk about it and all that good stuff.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:30

Oh, yeah, fun. Yeah, I can't wait to see it. I'm so excited.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:34

I we I really want you to see it. I think you're gonna be super happy with it. I think I think everybody it's the next step up for revenge.

SPEAKER_01 1:30:40

And like we're saying, we'll put that screening together and we'll let you know when that's gonna happen. That that should only be January or February, I'm hoping. So yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:30:50

Oh, that's so soon.

SPEAKER_05 1:30:52

Okay, yeah, yeah. Yeah, we'll get it right before maybe before you go and have all the baby stuff. We'll get it get get you showing.

SPEAKER_08 1:30:58

Yeah, well, and then I can just sit and rewatch while I'm on maternity leave.

SPEAKER_06 1:31:03

There you go.

SPEAKER_08 1:31:06

Bye, guys.