Making Pondo with Nate Campbell

 In this episode we talk to Nate Campbell. Nate played the character Pete Reynoso in three of our films: "Writing Fren-Zee," "Revenge of Zoe" and "The Love Song of William H. Shaw."

Writing Fren-Zee Trailer

Love Song Trailer

Zhon Trailer

Chasing Amy Trailer

Jaws - Scar Scene Link

Last Action Hero Trailer

The Crow Trailer

How to Talk to Girls at Parties Trailer

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

Welcome to Making Pondo and Talking Pondo. Talking Pondo is a podcast where we pick out two movies each week and talk about them in detail. Making Pondo is a podcast where we talk to people we've made films with and we discuss all their experiences on set. Today on Making Pondo, we feature Nathan Campbell, who has acted in three of our feature films. And we're back. Alright, Making Pondo once again. Yes, sir.

SPEAKER_02 0:34

Here with the uh great uh Nate Campbell.

SPEAKER_00 0:39

Yes, this is a a first for Making Pondo, where two of us are actually in the same room with each other while we're recording. Reminds me of the old days of doing uh TV in the studio where people would show up and you talk in person.

SPEAKER_01 0:54

Thanks for having me on, guys. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER_02 0:56

Yeah. Yeah, we're excited to have you. Should be good. Um like we were talking, like we talked about beforehand, you know, we're kind of trying to do like a I keep saying this probably episode, I should stop, but you know, sort of an oral history of the people that we've worked with. Talk about, you know, uh you know, your experiences, talk about film in general through our lens rather than sort of talk about things that we don't maybe don't know about.

SPEAKER_00 1:22

Uh like we're we decided to do the podcast talking about the movies we've made because we made those movies and we know the what it took to make them as opposed to talking about other people's movies where we're just speculating on how it might have been done. Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:38

No, I mean you bring in the experience, you're showing how it how it is made. Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 1:42

Yeah. Universal experiences, I figure, you know, making a movie is making a movie is making a movie. You just have different budgets and different issues, but a lot of those issues can can overlap. So that's what I'm hoping people take away from the pod that even if they don't know us or any of our movies, odds are they don't, and then they can listen to it and hear, oh well, I've been on a set and we've experienced similar, similar things.

SPEAKER_02 2:07

Like Dennis Hopper said, it's as hard to make a good movie as it is to make a bad movie. That is definitely the truth.

SPEAKER_00 2:16

So I really like to start things out with uh asking everybody, how did you start working with us? How did you find us?

SPEAKER_01 2:22

Well, I uh answered a ad on Craigslist. Um I tried once or twice before some local shoestring budget uh uh auditions, and uh so I didn't really have much in the uh in the way of experience in any way, shape, or form outside of you know some high school and middle school plays and uh uh role-playing games. I I really hadn't done anything before, but uh I came to your edition, Marty, and uh part of the uh bit that you had me read involved a physical Pratt fall, which uh this was for writing frenzy. Yes, yeah, this was back.

SPEAKER_02 3:04

Oh, I remember that. Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 3:06

And uh everyone else that had come and read for you uh didn't do the Pratt fall, they just acknowledged that was part of the line or just didn't it at all. I I made sure I added the Pratt fall and to the point that you thought I had actually tripped and hurt myself. So you I guess you came back to Cliff or uh whoever at the time and said that yeah, this this is probably the guy because you know he committed to do do the physical uh humor as well. He sold it. So I I I'm glad that that worked. It's a trick I'm gonna have to use in the future, hopefully.

SPEAKER_02 3:39

Yeah, I want to say we we we looked at what five, six, seven people probably tape of that many. I but it was it was more than just a couple, and and I remember, yeah, being kind of like, oh, okay, here's the guy. Because I mean he obviously committed enough to do the Pratfall that nobody else did.

SPEAKER_00 3:56

Everybody else was very straightforward and just going through it, but Nate was already as if he was on set.

SPEAKER_01 4:01

Like I was practicing it. I that's I saw that and I thought that gave me an opportunity to do some acting to show that I'm not just reading from a you know uh a piece of paper here. I can I can make a character alive, you know. That's I'm glad that came across.

SPEAKER_00 4:15

Yeah, Nate was our Cinderella story. He hadn't had any prior uh professional acting experience, so it was like the zero resume. Yeah, and then we just saw the raw talent and went, yes. Yeah, and now Nate's done three feature films with us since. Yeah, you keep asking me to come back, so I guess you really like me.

SPEAKER_02 4:34

I and I I appreciate that. They really, really I I love the idea that we found our Cinderella on Craigslist. Yeah, back when you could do it.

SPEAKER_01 4:42

Oh my god, I've got some Craigslist stories, and not all of them are about this. Yeah, that was like an 08, right? Late 08. Yeah, back when you could do such a thing and get actors on Craigslist.

SPEAKER_00 4:54

I mean, I think you still can, but nobody uses it. Yeah, it's not, it's not like it was. Yeah, I remember we put that ad up and the very next morning my uh answering machine, remember answering machines? Those it was filled with you know, like 15 messages, and the first one, uh Reb. Reb? Yeah. Remember he was uh what was the name of his character? The bummer's the first one to to respond. Yeah, yeah.

unknown 5:26

Is he still around?

SPEAKER_00 5:28

No, he he he passed maybe two years after. He didn't even get to see the movie. That's a shit. We might have been one of his last things. Tons of uncredited acting roles in westerns in the 40s. So God knows how many movies that guy was in. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_02 5:44

Yeah, he turned out to be a real character.

SPEAKER_00 5:47

I loved when we stuck him in the limo with everybody. Yeah, it was like you are when we just kept driving everybody around in that limo. It's like, well, let's get the money's worth out of it, and you always crop out of it.

SPEAKER_01 5:59

Right. I love the fact I forgot my shoes and we were like, you know what, just roll with it. It's fine, it's a character. No, you did show my feet. Oh, we did. That's what made it funny. Oh, perfect. I'm gonna have to look at that next time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 6:10

Writing frenzy, hopefully soon to be actually released instead of being one of those lost films that's just stuck on a shelf somewhere.

SPEAKER_01 6:16

I thought I'd be the biggest clown coming out of that car, but no, Merle definitely took the proud.

SPEAKER_02 6:22

He stole that moment. He really the the small man he's on screen, he really stole his moments. He really did. Yeah. He shined.

SPEAKER_00 6:33

Well, I mean, I know you've just done you know the three acting roles and then the one role in the Jean that alien. Well, there's more than one role in Jean the Alien couple of interviews. Yeah. But if there was something other than acting in film, what would what would you be interested in doing if there is anything?

SPEAKER_01 6:51

I I haven't done anything to you know pursue it, but I've always found the photography aspect really fascinating. Not just still, uh motion too, but um but like I I like a really well-framed shot. You can tell when you look at a picture and it's just not well framed, it just doesn't look right, it doesn't look good. But you know, when everything that's supposed to be looked at in the picture is at the certain right uh portions of the picture to make it look like it's supposed to, it makes a big difference, and uh it's a subtle thing, but it's something I I think it's overlooked an awful lot. Um direction too, making characters and and uh set pieces work together to tell a story, uh especially when it's not like outright being told to you as a story, uh I I think is is pretty fascinating. I'm a huge fan of uh of uh um Terry Gilliam and the Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul uh shows. And the way that they have such attention to detail to little details like shadows, like lighting, like uh the the the camera angles that they use to tell a story, not just you know using the words. It really um I think I think it's a fascinating aspect to the art. And uh if I were to have my druthers have some money and you know spare time to do so, maybe I would you know look at learning how to you know do uh do more with photography and direction, but I'm nowhere near that now, obviously.

SPEAKER_00 8:20

I'm just uh so like more like what Christian and Constantine were doing, like camera operator, direct photography type thing or kind of that as well as Wincliff with the actual direct both.

SPEAKER_01 8:31

Uh I I think that um runs in that Campbell bloodline. Maybe, maybe. Um I but I think it's important uh to for the especially for the photographer and the uh or the director of photography and the uh the director to have a really tight relationship because uh as a visual medium, you really have to have that um that language get across, that that you want to be speaking with the same voice, uh so to speak. And uh you can tell on a project when that that that kind of chemistry isn't there when you can tell they're trying to tell a story, but there's it's just there's something a little bit gritty or rough or doesn't quite come across as smoothly as it would with, say, you know, like um well like the Terry Gilliam or or or uh what's his name? Um uh Favro. Oh John Favreau. Yeah, Favreau, or um uh Felone, even I think is starting to really pick up on it too. I'm a big fan of those Disney Plus shows. Right.

SPEAKER_02 9:26

Um I think Favreau sort of same Star Wars in my opinion. His uh his launch of The Mandalorian was just absolutely brilliant.

SPEAKER_01 9:36

Definitely the most interesting Star Wars project in years, I think. Yeah, absolutely. I would say even the Russo brothers for the uh the Avengers movies. The uh I think those were absolutely cinematic achievements, accomplishments that are incredible, definitely deserved a uh you know, an academy nod. Definitely got snubbed for it, of course.

SPEAKER_02 9:57

So Nate, what what was it what was it like to be what was it like to be the a character three times in a movie? I I asked um I asked Eric this and uh and I thought there's not a lot of actors that play the same person three times in films.

SPEAKER_01 10:16

I gotta say, Cliff, um being able to reprise a role is a dream come true for an actor. Because you get a chance to come back and revisit a character and and explore how that character has changed, how what has stayed the same, what makes that character the core of that character, and what makes that character a dynamic, uh uh changing part of the story um that drives the story. So I I I've you know, I don't think I've ever had a chance to do something like that before, but I really appreciate the chance to to uh to reprise a character and do so more than once. That's uh that that's fantastic. And we have we've seen we've seen a great deal of change between all the characters that we've seen in this uh this series. Um and we've had been fortunate enough to have at least what three, four, five characters I'm trying to think of off the top of my head that have reprised the roles.

SPEAKER_00 11:05

Well, I know that uh that it's you and Eric have played those roles three times.

SPEAKER_01 11:12

Julie.

SPEAKER_00 11:13

Yeah, uh Julie's been with us four times. Yeah, and uh Paul played Ira three times as well, the agent. Yeah, we did have to change Billy's after the first film. And Jens. And Jens too, that's right. Yeah, that's right. And then a lot of the other people were newer characters, but if I thought about it a while, I might be able to but both of those characters at least got to be reprised once with this upcoming one.

SPEAKER_01 11:39

So and uh that's a great question. I hope I hope the others get to get asked that too, because yeah, that's not something I've really thought about before, but it really is. It's it's a big um it's a big help for uh taking on the character. I there's not as much time spent trying to get into the headspace, you already know what that character is, and and and you know, and like I was saying, you get to show how that character is has has grown and changed.

SPEAKER_00 12:02

I think it helped us with the uh making the part two and the part three, because you all could just jump right back into the character and so we didn't have to do that work, we could just jump right in.

SPEAKER_02 12:13

So I think it's well it's yeah, especially when you know like the third one was it's what with a re weird thing for me was when we wrote the third one, the third one was so much easier to write because you already know Nate, you already know Julie, you already know Eric, you already know those characters, you already know you know, and so and you know, the only question is how far can you push it? Right, you know, right um you know what what else can we do to these characters that's funny? You know, what uh how else can we make this kind of over the top?

SPEAKER_01 12:41

How many times getting slapped in the face is it still funny?

SPEAKER_00 12:44

Turns out more, yeah, more than anyone ever thought.

SPEAKER_02 12:48

Turns out, yeah, a lot more is better in that department.

SPEAKER_00 12:51

You know, it's funny you mentioned the the slapping, and I've been doing some of the finishing audio work on the film. And the part where you and Eric are in the car towards the end of the movie, and then he slaps you. Well, the first slap had this kind of whoosh, almost like ninja noise, and then we're like, well, it's funny, but it's a little too slapsticky. Right. So I replaced it with just a straight up whack. Right. And it's so much, it's funnier because it's more intense. It's just bam, we can suddenly belch you away. It's like, what did you do that for? It's like I just felt like hitting my friend again. It's it's so much more intense with just a wham from the oracle.

SPEAKER_02 13:29

I love it. Yeah, Bradford. We we revisited with Bradford and talked to him about his slaps. And I mean, uh, you weren't there that night in the garage, but he I mean, I told him it yeah it looked like Rachel knocked a filling out of your mouth at one point, like she was smacking so hard. And his face was like, oh, it was it was really classic. Brutal.

SPEAKER_00 13:54

Kept him awake that night.

SPEAKER_02 13:57

So how did you feel working with all those same actors though? What was that like? I uh again, I I I've I've never had the experience to go and work with the same people over and over again, other than from you know my director's chair type of type type of being front of the lens all that time.

SPEAKER_01 14:12

It was uh it was knowing some of the people you worked with and knowing that you're gonna get a chance to work with them again, knowing that you've had uh a past you know positive rapport and be able to you know carry that forward with and you know, anticipating looking forward and hanging out with your friends in between shots, you know. Yeah, you know, shooting the shit about this, that, or the other. It's always been uh uh it's been like looking forward to another season of a show. Like you're you're on a cast with television show. If I mean we really could, if you want to take these movies and chop them up into smaller episodes, we could turn them into seasons. And uh that's a great way to put it.

SPEAKER_02 14:45

Yeah, like looking forward to seeing your old, like, you know, whatever show again. That's a great way to put it.

SPEAKER_00 14:51

I feel like that every time we get the same group back on set, it's like, oh, this is gonna be fun. And even if we make a completely different story, if we're bringing a bunch of the same people back, you get that same feeling. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:02

Yeah, yeah, you gotta have them around at this point. I'd it'd be I feel like it'd be bad luck if we didn't.

SPEAKER_00 15:08

It's the Fondo family.

SPEAKER_02 15:10

Yeah. Exactly. Once you're in, you're in. Uh oh. Like Broken Lizard, huh? Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01 15:18

Exactly.

SPEAKER_00 15:21

So they they had a uh crowdsource for super troopers too.

SPEAKER_01 15:27

That was a few years ago. I saw that came out, but yeah, that was that's been a minute.

SPEAKER_02 15:31

That was wasn't that early in the earlier in the big successes of crowd before crowdsourcing? I can't remember.

SPEAKER_00 15:37

Yeah, that was a while back. I didn't think they would need to do that. I thought they were already well that right? Yeah. Where's the money? Yeah, everybody's gonna scrounge where they can. That's a damn shame, man. Those guys deserve a job. Uh is there a dream role?

unknown 15:54

Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 15:55

Like what or or what type of like genre would you like to make if you had your pick? If that's an easier way to do it.

SPEAKER_01 16:01

I would I would die to play a Jedi. I would love to swing around lightsabers on screen, be in a lightsaber duel. I I have competed in actual no shit, full contact lightsaber tournaments. Uh and dueling, I ran a dueling club. I love lightsabers, man. I would love to be a Jedi on camera. I would I would I want to do that as part of my role for for the uh not the role you call it, that that reel uh that I want to put together. I want to do some Jedi stuff for that.

SPEAKER_00 16:32

The closest we got was when you used your actual props.

SPEAKER_01 16:35

Practice really in the head and uh didn't want to make it proprietary, didn't want to make it too obvious. But yeah, I I would love to do that actually for no shit, you know, Disney for Star Wars. And and failing that, or even better yet, in addition to that, would be a superhero in the MCU. Like I love superheroes, always have especially MCU stuff. I would settle for D or for uh DC because you know that they're they're the other big dog. I would settle for something like the boys because that's fucking amazing. But uh, you know, something like that would probably be a foot in the dwarf towards MCU anyway. Uh MCU is my back. I love that so much. I couldn't even tell you which character I'd want to play. Just to be in it would be amazing.

SPEAKER_02 17:15

Um working with us, she'll probably be in an image movie.

SPEAKER_01 17:18

Oh, I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing.

SPEAKER_02 17:22

That's why I said it.

SPEAKER_01 17:23

Which character? Uh who would I be in the image universe? Overkill. Who do you think would be a good one for me to do? Uh Pitt is Pitt still image? I can't remember.

SPEAKER_02 17:32

Ooh. Yeah, you know, you they could they could probably mock you up pretty good for Pitt. You got you got the body type too.

unknown 17:38

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 17:39

Yeah, big dude. You know, big shoulders and ponytails already.

SPEAKER_01 17:44

Maybe the max. Maybe the max. Yeah, the max. Yeah. Oh, the max. I forgot about the max, the big old T thing. Yeah. I forgot about the max. Shit. Uh, but anyway, yeah, as far as the dream roll goes, it'd probably be I I would love to have a character that they could make a super or uh I would love to play a character that they could make an action figure out of. Nice. To have my own action figure would be pretty rad.

SPEAKER_00 18:06

Uh we're working on those uh CBD action figures. Even if it's not C B D, it'd be you know down the road Pete with action cell phone pose or something. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Pete with practice sword at hits.

SPEAKER_01 18:22

Throwing action.

unknown 18:23

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:24

Ho action. Yeah, I love it. Um, but no, I mean, if we ever do the thing with uh with uh frenzy as as like uh a comic book movie, you know, if that that ever happens, um I I I I'd love to do something for that. I don't know if we'd do it, you know, any kinds of action figures just as like a promotional thing or something like that, but that would be fun too. But yeah, that'd be like uh Machete becoming an actual movie after just a trailer and then a sequel on top of that.

SPEAKER_02 18:49

But I would I would love to do a frenzy action. I would love to do a frenzy heroine movie. I I think I think that we have probably enough lore that we could build something rather decent.

SPEAKER_01 19:00

We just kind of if you ever do, I would love to play either a superhero or super villa supervillain in in something like that. Um I I I I believe that not the Jimmy Olsen character. No, no, I like you said, I got the physicality for it. You should use that, you know. I can literally pick up anybody in the cast and spin them around, no problem. You know, that's not not just saying like as a stunt, it's just I I physically have that ability. Let's use that. You know?

SPEAKER_02 19:27

I so I have a kind of a weird question here. So what's your favorite feedback that you've gotten from a director? Do you have any I know and I know you've mostly worked with us, but you've been in a few other things there. So I'm curious if there's been like a just a certain amount of you know, feedback that you've gotten from from a director, and and how do you like to receive that feedback? Do you like a a talky director who's in your face, or or do you prefer somebody who kind of stands back a bit and lets you work?

SPEAKER_01 19:55

I um I was actually talking with Marty about this a little bit ago. Um, and I gotta say, there was there was at least one, probably more than one, moment where Marty told me in a certain tone of voice, as it's written, please. And and he can it conveys so much, uh, or at least I don't know, I it conveyed it to me that look, man, there's an awful lot of people that are working here. Uh everybody's getting tired because we've been on set for a while. We all want to go home. And the more you're fucking around on set and and not doing it and trying to do your funny ad libs and whatnot, the the less, you know, or the longer this is gonna take. So uh, you know, let's get this over with, all right? And well, I you know how much I love doing my outtakes. I love throwing in little little jokes here and there, but uh more than once he said, Look, man, we gotta get this done, and he conveyed that to me in a way that needed to be done. Because it's yeah, it it's a whole team, you know, and it's everybody trying to put this together. And uh I I appreciate those opportunities that you you let me, you know, act out, but you know, I I totally appreciate as much, if not more so, getting reined in and saying, Look, we've got to get this, you know, gotta get this focused down. I appreciate not losing shit, which has happened once or twice too, but you know, as always, it's always been handled well. So I I appreciate that as well.

SPEAKER_00 21:08

It's been such a great team effort. You know, the whole trick to it is you know, you do your whole take, and then if we haven't called a cut, that means you got a little window to throw your little tag in there.

SPEAKER_01 21:18

Well, the problem with that is you're pretty good about yelling cut pretty quick. And whenever you tell me, hey, don't wait to do more take, and you can do it, then you'd stop, you start breaking down before I get my chance.

SPEAKER_00 21:27

Yeah, we get a little bit more time rather than days to fix things.

SPEAKER_02 21:32

Marty, he's onto our tricks.

SPEAKER_01 21:33

He's so that's when I started doing a clean one, then a joke, and then another clean one.

SPEAKER_00 21:38

That's what happens when you work with people over and over again. They figure out all your tricks.

SPEAKER_02 21:42

Yeah, they figure out all your tricks. One of my one of my one of my favorite behind the scenes moments is, and I and we and I have it, I have clips of it, is when we're doing Revenge of Zoe and we're in the cafe, and you've brought it, you've brought a list of one liners. I was gonna look at that, yeah. And and so you know, we kind of did A pre-check on them, and I remember one fire. You fired one off that I was like, no, I didn't approve that. One like, yes, you did. And I'm like, no. And I walked over and it's the cameras are sterling, and I pointed out to me. You go, it's that one there, and I just scratched it out with my head, walked away. There we go. Like, don't do that one. It makes me laugh every time. It was a good time. Yeah, it was. It was you had some you had some zingers in there. I was I was happy that we let you kind of run with it. You know, it uh there were some good ones in there.

SPEAKER_01 22:28

Dream come true, man. That was my favorite time on set, hands down. The restaurant? The rest that's that scene when you let me throw out some zingers. I I I can't tell you how much I appreciate that. I was nervous, I was a little bit worried that it was pissing everybody off, but I'm like, at the I'm telling you, this will be great at least in the outtakes.

SPEAKER_00 22:43

Well, that was your day, you and and Christina, to do whatever you needed, because we had that whole restaurant for that whole Easter Sunday.

SPEAKER_01 22:51

It helped a lot for the the the uh the chemistry between the characters, too. I thought, you know, even if we didn't use most of the material, it helped for build a uh uh uh an it what is it like uh it like you can't quite see it's in insubstantial, but there's definitely a uh like a bond there that that comes across on on screen.

SPEAKER_00 23:12

I forget the uh origination point of that type of scene. I think of it kind of as like a chasing Amy thing where they're comparing each other, but it it there's a movies before that that inspired that. Do you remember the videos that has the original kind of I'm telling you my thing or I'm telling you my thing, trying to one up each other? But that that type of sequence, and yeah, I think y'all about it.

SPEAKER_02 23:34

We just we just turned the volume up on it. I can't remember which one it comes from. Oh it may be the whole scene from Chasing Amy where they're talking about their injuries.

SPEAKER_00 23:45

There was something that inspired Chasing Amy, though.

SPEAKER_02 23:48

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. But yeah, it was basic basically just them playing I'm the worst person, like I'm worse than you here.

SPEAKER_00 23:55

Here's how we'll get to know each other. Where they're like, Oh, this is my scar that I got from this. Well, I got this. Well, this happened to me here.

SPEAKER_02 24:09

Yeah, it's that whole one-upmanship, right? Like, but it's also you're trying to get to know each other, you're building that rapport, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:15

It makes sense because you're you're a navy guy.

SPEAKER_01 24:17

Yeah. I've got a lot of I haven't even scratched the surface of the dog shit we could throw on screen, man.

SPEAKER_00 24:23

If you want to go there, both you and Nick Levine, Mark Brady himself, both are two Navy.

SPEAKER_02 24:29

Man, I got some stories. So do you so uh let me just get my last kind of question out of the way here. Um do you have um, and this is because again, we talked earlier about the fact that I've kind of written what written, we've already written a first draft of like a music film. Do you have a film based on music or a or now it doesn't have to be a musical, it can be, but like a mu a a movie film that's based on music or a musical or a band that you particularly really love or think about when you think about movies or films?

SPEAKER_01 25:00

This question has had me scratching my head for a couple days now. Um because there's a lot of there's so many influential musicals that are out there, but I I'm having a real hard time putting my finger on one exactly one that is like the the one that stands out the most because you know, I mean, there's do you do those type of movies like do you like those type of movies or I mean I do, but not not my first uh go-to, but you know, I enjoy a Disney uh musical as much as anybody, they're almost always great. You know, everybody loves the you know Rocky Horror, especially for like a like a live action uh in-person kind of performance. That there's you know, the classic sound of music and uh uh um uh the the Mary Poppins uh with the cartoonists and whatnot. There's a lot of you know it, but I I decided for this one, I think I'm gonna say instead of a music, uh a musical movie, I'm gonna say, um I I would like to talk about the uh this the movie soundtrack that stands out in my memory the most that really to make me realize that movie soundtracks can be absolutely incredible too, and it's from a terrible movie. The last action hero. Oh, I thought you were gonna say judgment night. Same year no, but uh yeah, same year, yeah. There's so so many amazing songs on that soundtrack. Uh ACDC Um Alice and Chains. I shoot Killer Alice and Chains China. It's an amazing album all on its own. But and and uh I I remember listening to the soundtrack being so excited for when the movie was gonna come out. Yeah, they're barely there, and the movie itself is absolute dog shit. No, it's bad. No, they tried to be funny with it, it and they failed miserably. It was an awful movie. Yeah, sorry, Erl, I'm I'm saying, man, you know it too. But the tail wags the dog for the soundtrack on that one. Absolutely. It made that movie successful. The music did, and uh, I that is how important music can be to you know to uh any uh uh visual art.

SPEAKER_02 27:05

It's uh it's um that's that's one of the reasons the party animal I think hits like it does and did for us early on. That's kind of that that's that movie's got a great soundtrack.

SPEAKER_00 27:16

Yeah, if it didn't have the soundtrack, we wouldn't even have given it.

SPEAKER_02 27:19

Yeah, wouldn't even give it another look. It would have just been a really you know bad movie, but the soundtrack just elevated it to something that was kind of this it really bad but lovable comedy. There was something about those 80s movies where they do the montages with just the right fucking pop songs for this time period where it's just you know oh dude, the the the skip rope scene from Vision Quest with um you know Lunatic's Lunatic Fringe is is a perfect example of that, you know.

SPEAKER_01 27:46

You can see we try to emulate that as well. Sure. Absolutely. The Crow, another example of an excellent, absolutely excellent movie soundtrack. Much better movie compared to the last.

SPEAKER_00 27:56

But well, they were really trying to cram those soundtracks out in the 90s, the Empire Records, all that stuff. Like, who's popular right now? You're going right on the soundtrack.

SPEAKER_01 28:04

Yeah, it's and and and they've done a lot of it since then, too. The early uh uh the early Marvel movies that made a habit of it. They had an amazing soundtrack with Daredevil.

SPEAKER_00 28:12

The movie was a one-hit song, right? Where they sort of rooted. Uh Evanescence, yeah. They had two Evanescent songs in that where like Chris Cornell do like uh a hook song, or was that I think it was not his Velvet Revolver or Bond TVs too. It all kind of goes back to that where it's like we gotta hit get some popular singer to do the Bond theme song every time.

SPEAKER_01 28:33

Chris Cornell did a bond theme. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, uh Jack Wayne, I think Adele. Yeah. Um and they they did it with uh The Punisher too. It had a pretty decent soundtrack. Um I think it fell off with Incredible Hulk, but uh and uh Iron Man, which is a shame because they had all that amazing, you know, classic rock in the movie The Black Sabbath.

SPEAKER_00 28:52

All they had to do was release it like that, and I never saw anything like that. They totally should have. They would mark it the hell out of it. Yeah, there's an Iron Man 2 soundtrack that's basically just an AC BC greatest hits album. Perfect. If there isn't, there should be. Yeah, I remember in particular that soundtrack going for our movies, too. It's it's a different type of beast to get it going, but we're hoping, you know.

SPEAKER_02 29:14

Yeah, I it I mean, Jeff is uh again being the the wonder that he is as a producer is got a lot of contacts in that area, and he's already supplied us with some really good stuff for the film. But gotta get it all locked down and make sure we get the contracts all signed.

SPEAKER_01 29:30

Right on. If you talk to Jeff, uh make sure uh at least for me, relay to him. Uh to give congratulations to Neil for that amazing show that they threw on Netflix recently. I thought I've only seen like the first episode of The Sandman, but it's it's pretty spectacular. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I know Jeff didn't have anything to do with it, but he can at least pass it on to Neil. Hey, good job.

SPEAKER_00 29:50

Oh, you know, he he who knows what kind of influences Jeff provided throughout the years that have helped up. It's all over the place. There's no telling.

SPEAKER_01 29:59

You know, the guy that plays Sandman looks a little bit like Jeff when he was younger, right? Coincidence? Who knows?

SPEAKER_00 30:06

Neil knows. Neil knows. I mean, there was the one movie that actually is pseudo-based off of Jeff, right? That's a how to talk to girls at parties. Is that what it's like? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I haven't seen that. Yeah, the main character is based off of him. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_01 30:24

That's nuts.

SPEAKER_00 30:25

Small world.

SPEAKER_01 30:26

Yeah, right.

SPEAKER_00 30:27

I know that guy.

SPEAKER_01 30:28

All right. Uh you have some other questions in here.

SPEAKER_00 30:31

Yeah, there's always more questions. So everybody has their secondary career interests. You know, outside of film, what's your other creative outlet? Like for me, if I hadn't pursued film, I probably would have fallen into either music or journalism. And you know, I figure everybody's got something different, whether it be painting or cooking or who knows.

SPEAKER_01 30:52

But I am incredibly lazy. But if I wasn't so lazy writer, yes, exactly. I was gonna say I actually have some pretty good decent talent when it comes to putting, you know, when I when I actually do it, I can I I'm a pretty decent uh creative writer. Um, I I or you know, I I did well in all the writing classes that I've taken, just not being good at finishing them. It's uh it's one of those things that I know I have the skill, I have the talent, I I have experience, but I I just don't seem to have the drive. It it it's so boring. It's it uh that I get bored and wanting to do something like see what's on the internet, see what's on Reddit, see what the newest video is on YouTube. It's so much more entertaining than actually putting fingers to keyboard, which is what you need to do to be a writer.

SPEAKER_00 31:35

It's a discipline. Sometimes you have to lock yourself in the room, so to speak.

SPEAKER_01 31:39

When I I get myself to a place where I can do so, I'll I I will probably have some more stuff. I want to write some of my experiences. Uh I was in the Navy, I served on submarines, I was involved in two collisions at sea, including running aground. There's some crazy stories that I could tell. Uh I I can I can get an interview with the captain tomorrow if I want to, because I got contact with him. Uh, and I want to do all that. Maybe you know, someday somebody will make a documentary of it, and I can say I was there because I literally was. I uh I can put something together one day, and I just need to put my fingers to the keyboard to do it. All right. Um that's the trick. I've also learned how to be a machinist. I've I've taken classes on making stuff out of metal. I can, you know, make uh fit fittings, containers, whatever lightsabers is what I'd like love to do is make custom lightsabers. Well, there's definitely a job for it. Yeah, there's not enough demand, unfortunately. It's true.

SPEAKER_00 32:29

They already got the guy who can make 37 different types of lightsabers at the Omicron.

SPEAKER_01 32:34

There's literally uh at least a dozen, if not two dozen companies that do that now. There, there was only maybe three or four of them five or six years ago. They have exploded. There's so many lightsaber, custom lightsaber manufacturers, it's nuts. Everybody figured out to do it and started cranking them out. And you can't really blame them for doing so. Um the electronics have gotten amazing on them. They're so fucking cool. It's like they're stepped right out of a Star Wars set when you use these things now. You're just gonna have to make an actual one to compete. That's the only thing they haven't done yet. Is uh, well, I guess there's some crazy fools on YouTube that have made like things that can actually cut through steel, but I think they're pretty dangerous to use. They have to end it burn off their eyebrows half the time.

SPEAKER_00 33:11

Well, you know, that's it's the hazards you have to go through that in order for progress to happen.

SPEAKER_02 33:16

Indeed. I mean, I whatever needs to be sacrificed that so that I can have a fully functioning lightsaber, I say we sacrifice immediately.

SPEAKER_01 33:23

It should happen. But you know, neither here nor there. There's always little bits of metal that can make your life easier without you even realizing it. And uh knowing that I can do that, I can always get a job if I need to, making stuff like that. That's a decent, somewhat creative outlet that I can fall back on, I hope.

SPEAKER_00 33:38

We top uh touched on this a little bit, but do you have uh any favorite moments from sets that you'd like to share?

SPEAKER_01 33:45

I uh I can think of a few. Well, yeah, there's quite a few that were great. Uh yeah, the montage scene at Charlie's was always a good time. Uh the uh the handcuff scene at uh Charlie's place before that back in uh uh right in France. But then I I I definitely gotta say the favorite is what we mentioned before was that uh the the restaurant scene. Um yeah, the date, the date night was probably the best.

SPEAKER_00 34:11

From Revenge of Zoe. Yeah. I always think back on uh locking the keys in the car while it's still running because you uh left the set because you were gonna try on wigs. Oh, I was gonna play Frenzy.

SPEAKER_01 34:26

Oh my god, that wasn't that was pretty funny. Okay, so that's a good story. That's right about that.

SPEAKER_00 34:30

It leads to the don't leave the set type thing that we learned. Things happen.

SPEAKER_02 34:35

Things happen. One of our hard and fast rules. Once you get them on the set, you do not leave the set.

SPEAKER_01 34:40

I was trying to pitch uh this this girl named Jane, who I had a big crush on, but trying to get her into the movie too, because we were we were looking for a girl, an attractive woman who who could play uh play uh Zoe. And I felt that this woman who's you know in the right wig could play that character. She had the physicality for it. So uh, and I knew that down at the mall, nearby mall, there there was a uh um a kiosk that had a wig store, you know, or kiosk with a whole like a hundred freaking wigs there. Figured we could run down there, grab one real quick, send a couple pictures, and say, hey, maybe this could be part of the dream sequence. So we go down there to the mall, leaving set, just me and her. Uh, the second we get out of the car, she flips out and realizes, oh my god, the car's still running and I've locked my keys in. So we're like, oh shit, now we're not gonna be able to get back right away. That's a problem. Uh we start freaking out over that, but we figure out that what was it? The the while the car is running. Um, the window was down just enough for us to get like a um a stick or something. I had to press down on the on the uh the the window button. And that's how we were able to roll down the window to get inside the car to get into it. But it took us like a good 10-15 minutes to get that figured out. Anyway, meanwhile, you guys are flipping out going, why the hell are you gone so long? You know, you're supposed to be going like 10-15 minutes. We need you for you know for second. You didn't need me right away, but you knew it was coming up. Um, we got into the story, picked a couple of wigs, send you pack pictures. You were all pissed off and said, No, we don't didn't really care anyway.

SPEAKER_00 36:09

Like, what are you doing? We just need to shoot a scene.

SPEAKER_01 36:11

Got it all figured out, came back. I think we still had time, too.

SPEAKER_00 36:14

Oh yeah, we managed to pull everything off, you know. But uh had a happy ending, it's just it was kind of sketchy there for a minute, like one house.

SPEAKER_01 36:22

Bad, bad uh time management on my part.

SPEAKER_02 36:25

I mean it and and that, dear listeners, is why we do not allow our caster crew to leave the set when we shoot a film.

SPEAKER_00 36:31

Once you're inside the set, it's okay, but even on the perimeter of the set, weird shit can happen. Because you remember when when we were in that park for the memorial sequence for uh uh riding. That was right, yep. Jeez, get them all mixed up. Uh and there was a kid on a tri on a little tricycle, like an eight-year-old kid or whatever, just zooming around the neighborhood, just you know, ripping up the streets. And at one point, like a car hit this kid. What? Oh god, I remember that. Yes, it's like the kid was fine. He just kind of bounced and was stunned a little bit. Yeah, but like it was like that half a mile an hour or something, but we're like, see what happens? Don't go out there, stay in here, or that kid. I forgot about that. A kid got hit, right? Just we were like, oh my god, fuck. And of course, you know, we had to deal with the guy who would always turn his uh lawn mower on when we'd call action. I I think people do that stuff on purpose sometimes. You you it starts to feel like it, you know, like, oh fuck you know.

SPEAKER_01 37:30

Unless you've been on set, you don't understand the timing of set quite as much. So they see people standing around and think, oh, well, I've got time, and not realizing that everyone's getting ready to you know click the things and start, you know, click the clappers and start recording. Like a motorcycle would drive by or just doing it. So they think they're trying to do us a favor by doing it then, not realizing that's the exact time we need them to not. And it's just a matter of not being familiar with like. That's true, that's very true.

SPEAKER_02 37:54

I have a I have a very vivid memory of being on the set for revenge, being in Charlie's store, and we're shooting we're shooting at at the you know, the wall that had all of his figures on it, right? And we're in the middle aisle and we're shooting across the comic book boxes at this wall, and I think it's either Julie or you, and there's customers in the store, and they're staying out of the way, and here, and this dude just I I don't know if he is just oblivious or if he was just like, I don't care, I'm here to get my comic. And he just walks into the shot with his, you know, walks and and you know, back to the camera. He's just looking at this and looking at that.

SPEAKER_00 38:32

I'm just like, oh cut, oh my god, cut, cut, or he just rolls by and he just looks right at the camera. Oh my favorite. That's worse. Shooting in real life, I believe they called that when you're shooting a car that's actually open.

SPEAKER_01 38:49

It was fine. I mean, yeah, it made him look realistic, right?

SPEAKER_00 38:52

Right. Except he wasn't supposed to be there, and we we pulled it off. You know, it would always be like, Action, oh, stop, somebody came in the store 30 minutes later. Action, oh, somebody else came in the store, and there goes two, three hours going past. But that's the hazards.

SPEAKER_02 39:06

Well, I rem I remember at one point we just we had one dude who was standing in the shot, and I just grabbed a release form and went up to him, was like, You're in the movie here, sign this. And he was like, Oh, okay. And I'm like, I'm I have no more time to sit here and reshoot this over and over again while you wander around for a comic book like that.

SPEAKER_00 39:20

And you can see him for all of a half a second in the corner of the shot as the camera fans. Yep, he is in there, he's in there. That's that's what we needed.

SPEAKER_01 39:30

Beautiful.

SPEAKER_00 39:31

And as our budgets hopefully get larger, we'll be able to have more controlled environments. But every now and then you can't beat that in real life situations.

SPEAKER_01 39:40

Another scene I just wanted to mention, I remember had a really good time on was that uh the the montage of us running through the uh convention in the most recent uh outing. Oh, where you hit your head on the lens. Yeah, that that was the end of the day.

SPEAKER_02 39:53

But up until then it was awesome. It was uh Oh, it was it was fantastic. The the scene itself cuts together perfectly. It's really beautiful the way it works. It's yeah, going around that corner, make it look like it happened twice.

SPEAKER_01 40:04

That was great. You never know. Yeah. But uh we had some you'd have to have been there as it was when filmed. And a lot of people who are gonna see the movie were people who were there and they know that that's a little bit hokey, but whatever, but they're they're gonna be enjoying seeing hey, that's what's her name, and that's what's his name that that's there every year.

SPEAKER_00 40:19

It's a good way to cram a lot of background cameo appearances, having you run through that uh dealer room, the series that Tusc built.

SPEAKER_02 40:27

Pretty much it's great. I mean, I I love that I love that scene. I love the fact that we pulled it off, I love how smooth it is. Um I love how we shot it. You know, we've got a kid, we've got a kid literally laying down in between convention tables, and he's looking at a monitor with a with a follow focus wheel, and he's the one doing the focus, and he's laying on the ground just watching everything, and he's pulling focus, and then here come the here come this camera on the gimbal, and then of course we get to that one scene where we just the he just runs the damn camera right into your head, and I thought, oh finally, an injury on set.

SPEAKER_01 41:03

Here it finally happened. Yeah, it was my fault too. I knocked over a book and I was trying to put it back on before he caught up to me, and right there you can see the little has it, and he's like, whoa, and whack, whack wham.

SPEAKER_00 41:15

Yep.

SPEAKER_02 41:17

It's a good smack, too, man. I I I was pretty su I was pretty sure it was gonna split your your your forehead open, but it was just I thought it was just like a really nice little dent, but I th I'm pretty sure it was a scratch on it.

SPEAKER_00 41:28

Yeah, Nick, did we put like some makeup over it? I think you did, yeah. So you wouldn't wow.

SPEAKER_01 41:35

Yeah, that was uh that was fun. Good times.

SPEAKER_00 41:40

Yeah, that was uh that was Alex, right? Yeah, he only could work with us at the Tuscon shoot, and he was unavailable, but it would have been nice to had him for the full shoot. Alexander Lim, right? Didn't he uh he was our focus poller at Tuscon?

SPEAKER_02 41:55

Yes, that's right. Alexander Lim, yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah. That was a good that was a good camera crew, man. They really uh Constantine and and uh Christian really, really strive to get it, and they and they did. They really shot the shot the hell out of that thing, I think.

SPEAKER_00 42:10

But there's several several sh shots in it that are just absolutely gorgeous. Yeah. That's the nice thing about this pod, is eventually we hope to talk to every cast and crew member we've worked with on all of our movies and and bring repeat guests back as well. You know what repeat.

SPEAKER_01 42:25

You know what scenes were always fun were the ones where I got slammed down on the ground somewhere. Because we always had a match, you know, so it wouldn't be bad. I was wrestling, I know how to tumble, you know, I I can I can take a hit, you know, no biggie. But it's it always the way you were able to film it always made it look like it was had such impact. Like you just went wham, like a tombstone, right? John choke slamming you to the ground. Yeah, hurt you. Like it's hilarious. And and I those were always fun to to just you know to film too. Uh those scenes when we hadn't got a chance to do stuff like that.

SPEAKER_02 42:57

Yeah, I can remember, I can remember somebody saying, Hey, why don't you put him up on put him up on the shelf here and then have you know Eric on top of him and we can shoot it and make it look like it's coming up from the ground. And I was like, Oh, my suggestion. Yeah, yeah, it was you. Oh, that was you. Okay, it was a great idea. It was to get a better angle that way.

SPEAKER_00 43:13

And you'd never know that you were up higher for that. I mean you wouldn't even have the that was perfect, yeah. Because when you fell down, uh that was one of our uh uh additional photography, and it wasn't really like second unit or reshoe, it's just stuff that we hadn't shot yet. And uh uh Bobby laid that shot up so perfect where you cannot see the crash pad, it's just just under the bottom of the shot. So when you come tumbling backwards, you're just fearless because you know you're just going whack right on that pad, and it's it's pretty good. It's perfect. Yeah, it was perfect.

SPEAKER_01 43:53

Yeah, you really you really I really committed you committed to that big time. Enjoy physical humor. Always have, and I'm glad to be able to be to be that for you guys. You know, be able to uh add a little bit of physicality to the uh the the the the movies that we make.

SPEAKER_02 44:10

That's good. I mean that we those that that revenge was, I think, the first time we ever tried to actually do physical stunts where we committed to crash pads and anything that intense. Throwing people around and you know, things that weren't just tricked through the camera or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 44:24

Yeah, it was all fakery before. Like if you go back to marijuanos, any action scene is just quick cutaways. So make it look like shit's happening, you know, that that cheap fucking trick, you know. But now we actually have moved up to where, you know, crash pads and whatnot. And it's much more effective. Like like our the famous Billy getting thrown out of the uh poker game. That was the one to take because we didn't want to throw them a second time because we're like, oh I think this is the pad. Here's the interesting thing I just thought of. Oh, go go ahead, go ahead.

SPEAKER_02 44:57

Oh, I was gonna say we had we had a few minor ones in in love song, but nothing nothing to that level.

SPEAKER_01 45:05

Uh there there was one where you threw me on the ground, or uh uh I think Eric throws me on the ground when we're doing a signing.

SPEAKER_02 45:12

Yeah, yes, that's yeah, you're no, you're absolutely right. We did do that. And then there's also the there's also you tripping Eric going up the stairs, which it's a my it's a minor thing, but it can it could possibly go wrong.

SPEAKER_00 45:23

Yeah. True. So going all the way back, do you remember what it was like on that first day of shooting on writing frenzy? I remember the first scene we shot was you and Julie, and you're talking to her about we need to have a talk about, you know, and are you gonna fire me? Right. Oh, you shot that first. Right, you never know that that was the first thing shot, but was I remember it being kind of, you know, there was a little bit of nervous because you're just up to start it, but I mean, do you remember anything about that day? Because I know it was just we basically went from that and did like the other Julie scenes because we had the two of you that night, but right.

SPEAKER_01 46:02

Um I I honestly didn't get all the scenes yet. I didn't see how it all kind of went together just yet. So I was just trying to, okay, you you guys will figure it out. I'll just try to you know pour out whatever it is you're you're putting in front of me. Um uh and uh I I remembered I was uh I was trying to I can't remember what it was. I don't think it was until we saw the movie later in the theater where I was like, oh man, I totally should have had a different spin on that, you know.

SPEAKER_00 46:27

But it was at the very first those scenes just killed the crowd, loved the dynamic between your two characters, which is part of the reason why we continued it in the featured uh the the further movie. What am I trying to say? The the next installments.

SPEAKER_02 46:43

Yeah, the next installments, yeah. I I felt that that scene I I really felt like we took a risk with that stuff because that stuff could easily be misconstrued or played wrong, right? Like, I mean it's obvious that that Pete's character is trying to prove a point by what he's doing. He's he's illustrating a point by saying, I'm too old for you, dummy. Right. Like it's it's fine to have a crush on somebody, but the reality, the situation is different. Live, you know, live in the crush, not the reality type of thing, right? Right. That whole snapping her out of this whatever little world that she built in her head, right? Or whatever.

unknown 47:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:27

Oh, we're doing the creeper scene. I'm like, okay, I guess that's what we're doing. Oh shit, I look like a creeper already.

SPEAKER_00 47:32

And until we played it for the audience that first time, and they just were laughing so hard, it was like, oh, they they get it, it it pulled off right.

SPEAKER_02 47:41

Yeah, yeah. It was uh for me, it was probably like in that moment, I was like, Is this where like we go over the line in the film, right? Like, is right and I there's nothing to me that's over the line, but could if somebody looks at this the wrong way, then it's quite possible they're like, What the hell?

SPEAKER_01 47:58

That's why I played it like that, because I didn't know. I just didn't know if you were trying to get me to if this was a hitting hunter or if this was uh a joking thing. So I kind of played it halfway so it can be like, I hope they can interpret it how it needs to be.

SPEAKER_02 48:10

Yeah, and that was the whole idea was like kind of making the audience uncomfortable and then turning that on them, turning it on them, right? Like, oh, okay, I see where you're going. That's it was a dangerous thing, and it and and the fact that you committed to it and did it was big, you know. I mean, it it could have said, Hey guys, what the hell's up with this?

SPEAKER_01 48:30

I didn't I didn't know, man. I just answered a the call off of Craigslist.

SPEAKER_00 48:34

I figured that's what I was getting into. And we we do a different take on that in the love song with the whole uh what's uh Tanya and Adam, where she sort of has a crush on him, but it's more of just she admires his uh salesmanship, which is funny because he don't even know what the fuck he's doing as a salesman. But it's like we're we're revisiting that whole type of storyline with those those other characters. As you'll see at a film festival near you before looking forward to it.

SPEAKER_02 49:09

And hopefully, hopefully on Tubi soon. And that's uh listeners, if you're looking if you're wondering where writing frenzy is and and where um reven you know the love song of William H. Shaw is, we're hoping to get him onto Tubi and other platforms for you just as soon as possible.

SPEAKER_00 49:23

Yeah, but for now, you can go back to Tubi and watch Revenge of Zoe once again and enjoy it all over.

SPEAKER_02 49:31

Because we know you've already watched it once, right? Yeah, watch our buddy Nate Campbell take them smacks in the face. Get smacked in the face. One of my favorite outtakes of all time is is uh the is Eric slapping you, and and at one point you you're like, no, it's fine, and then he does it again, and you look at me go, at one point you're not kidding. Yeah. And I said, and I said, Go ahead and smack him again. That's terrible. I'm so sorry. I know, man. I figured, well, a small price to pay for human. It was hilarious. And and honestly, I but we did, I I think we used the slap. The it was one of the last next to last slaps we got, I think that we used, if I'm not mistaken. I could be wrong about that. Yeah, who knows?

SPEAKER_00 50:08

You'd have to look back. Yeah. I thought Love Song didn't have as many slaps as Revenge of Zoe. Same here. It probably doesn't, but boy, is it close.

SPEAKER_01 50:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 50:20

Especially once you get to the foley stage and you start putting the clap clap slap sound effect in, then it's real obvious. It's like, oh, slap, slap, punch. Wow, whoa, it's like, oh, okay, so that is present in Mogie. Okay. Because you think, oh, we didn't put that in. Oh, it's there. It's there.

SPEAKER_02 50:37

Nice. Nate, it was great to have you on, buddy. I I I I really appreciate you taking the time out to come on come on the show. I don't we never got to hang out anywhere near as much as I wanted to.

SPEAKER_01 50:49

Um I'm sorry, Nate, the last time we were out here. We were supposed to get together and smoke and have a good old time, but my my wife wanted to, she was fed up with you know me spending so much time away already, and that's not a problem anymore. So let's let's get together and hang out.

SPEAKER_00 51:03

It got weird towards the end of that shoot, right? Because you got checked and we didn't know if you had the yeah, it could have been thing.

SPEAKER_01 51:11

Unfortunately it wasn't, but yeah, it was scary.

SPEAKER_00 51:13

We were talking to Bradford and we were kind of laughing, like we probably just could have shot the next one. Just shot the rest of the movie. Yeah. But we at the time we didn't know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 51:23

And I I felt bad even shortly.

SPEAKER_00 51:25

Yeah, because yeah, we were so close. We were already screwed at this. But at least we got it done. You know, I'll hear, like, as an aside, I listened to a bunch of film podcasts and stuff, and two of them I listened to this week were talking about, oh, yeah, we had to come back nine months later and shoot that other coverage, or we came back a year later and shot the reversals. And I'm like, and see, it's not just us, this shit happens to everybody.

SPEAKER_01 51:49

Yeah. Reversals of year apart Fantastic Four Stick.

SPEAKER_02 51:55

Well, I mean, we were we were when we stopped shooting Love Song and we chose to stop shooting at the behind that liquor store. Luckily, we we we stopped and we really thought about how we were gonna place you guys and how we were gonna shoot it so that it would look pretty seamless. Yeah, you wouldn't. And I don't other than the lack of a full master with all of you guys in it, we shot, you know, we shot separate you know, two and three masters instead, you know, three-person and two-person masters, and then you know, over the shoulders to to tie it all together. That it goes by so fast, and with the rest of the movie looking like it does, you can't tell. You just can't tell.

SPEAKER_00 52:30

I don't think anybody'll notice it.

SPEAKER_02 52:33

I don't I really don't. And if they do, great, good on them. Like you found the spot. You know, good job. Yeah, you win the prize. Congratulations, you picked my movie apart. What do you want? A prize? Here it is.

SPEAKER_00 52:50

You want to join your continuity?

SPEAKER_02 52:52

Then it's then it's your fault if it happens.

SPEAKER_01 52:57

Guess what? You get rewarded with the job of you know maintaining continuity in the future.

SPEAKER_00 53:00

And then when you screw up in the next movie, you're on the panel, and then a guy of the crowd says if we turn, you go, ah, look what happens.

SPEAKER_02 53:06

Yeah, we'll drag you, we'll drag you on stage and let them throw a popcorn at you. Oh man. All right, guys. Nate, again, it was great to see you, bud. Likewise. All right. Good to see you.

SPEAKER_01 53:19

Thanks, guys. We'll see ya. All right, peace. Bye bye.