Talking Pondo: Barbarella and The Faculty with Robb Maynard

 In this episode, Robb Maynard (from Reels of Justice) joins the podcast. He brings along the movie The Faculty. Marty and Clif give Robb the movie Barbarella to watch.

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Welcome to season two of Making Pondo and Talking Pondo. Talking Pondo is a podcast where Cliff and Marty give each other a film to watch and talk about them in detail. Some episodes will include a special guest. Making Pondo is a podcast where Cliff and Marty talk to people they have worked with and discuss their experiences on set. Alright, Marty, we're back.

SPEAKER_01 0:24

We are back.

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Got a good one this time.

SPEAKER_01 0:26

Yeah, another Making Pondo wegether. Oh, he's rubbing his hands together. You can't see it, but Cliff is rubbing the hands together.

SPEAKER_02 0:33

Excited, like a fly, ready to eat. I don't know what that means. Cronenberg, Cronenberg.

SPEAKER_01 0:39

Anyway. So we got a couple of interesting ones today, but aren't they always? We have uh Barbarella from 68, and then we have the faculty from 98. So we have a 30-year gap between these two films today, and uh, I think it's I think they're pretty good compare-contrast today.

SPEAKER_02 0:57

So both sci-fi pictures, yeah. One's got a little bit of horror element to it, that the other one doesn't. But uh well, I guess depending on if you like Barbarella, it might be horror or it might not, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:07

But who's our who's our guest today? Our guest today is from Reels of Justice Podcast. It is Rob Maynard.

SPEAKER_05 1:16

Do I hear now? Do I do I uh can you have me like sort of transport in, like make a you know sound? I can sure something something maybe I ride on a lot of horses in in ride uh 16 possibly or more.

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I don't have a lot of Foley.

SPEAKER_05 1:37

Just get some coconuts and bang them together and get about 18, 16 friends to help you do that.

SPEAKER_02 1:44

Sure. That's easy. I'll get that done right before the podcast comes out. So Rob joins us from Reels of Justice, where he and his friends uh prosecute them to put them on trial and uh decide whether or not they're bad, they are guilty of being bad or not. It's quite fun. Uh Marty and I have been on there a couple times. Um we got to do it.

SPEAKER_05 2:08

Uh and uh and a little peer behind the curtain, I believe Eclipse is coming up. Is going to have its time soon. In court. But yeah, it's a mock courtroom, and and we have a weekly guest, and they go up against one of our uh uh one of our co-hosts who who fills in as the opposing console. And uh usually the guest gets to pick a movie and and they've got to convince the jury that it's uh not guilty of being a bad movie. Um bad you can obviously uh is a moving target, and that's the fun of the show. You know, when you're when you're trying to objectively discuss something uh subjective.

SPEAKER_02 2:46

The great thing about it is they've got enough episodes where people are starting to bring up precedent, which I think which I think I've heard on the podcast really tickles their career.

SPEAKER_05 2:55

Marty brings up precedent.

SPEAKER_02 2:56

There's also I've heard a couple other people bring it up too, yeah. But Marty loves to bring up precedent, yeah. So it's uh it's pretty good.

SPEAKER_05 3:03

I mentally think of myself as a new juror every week, so I I kinda you know the precedent, whether it sways me or not. Right.

SPEAKER_02 3:10

How did you get Simon Majundar on the show? That was that was like when I was when I was going through your episodes, picking, you know, kind of cherry picking through him at in the beginning. I was like, Simon Majundar, how that I I watch him all the time.

SPEAKER_05 3:20

I love cooking shows, so I've seen him on so many things, so it's very cool. Uh we just reached out to him and explained the concept of the show, and he liked the concept of the show.

SPEAKER_00 3:29

Fantastic.

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Um so uh uh that's kind of been the case of uh a lot of our more interesting guests there. I think they they like the kind of game show angle challenge.

SPEAKER_02 3:40

It's very people's court for movies. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 3:43

Yeah, which I really like. I really like that. Although silliness plays a big part. So you know, sometimes if you if you lean into the Riz, uh that can go a long way to helping your case. Um also helps keep your case interesting if you have if like if if you're now on writing your 50th or 60th case, like some of our hosts are, uh adding the Riz keeps the case a little bit more interesting. So that we're not always just talking about character development and acting problems. And attention. Yes, yes.

SPEAKER_01 4:17

It must be pretty challenging having to be forced to watch two movies every week that you might not necessarily want to sit through.

SPEAKER_05 4:24

Luckily, it's not two every week, thankfully. Um, but uh uh sometimes it's a chore, but most of the time it's not. But yeah, we don't tend to pick good movies. Yeah, it's so um right.

SPEAKER_00 4:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 4:38

Either they're sitting on the fence or they're downright garbage. Sometimes they're good. We did Silence of the Lambs, and it was an interesting thought.

SPEAKER_02 4:48

I listened to that one and and um it the the the person that you brought on had a very unique perspective on it, which I I had never honestly considered, and and Ryan, I thought Ryan did a really good job with it too.

SPEAKER_05 4:59

And then having uh you know participated in it and seen it, I had my own strong feeling, so I immediately appeals to it too. So um you know I have I have an appeals case uh on it too with with my own sort of slant on it. So kind of did silence twice a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 5:17

Sometimes it's tough when you when you when it's a slog movie and you've got two of them, you know. I I I've I've luckily we don't we don't today.

SPEAKER_05 5:26

Both of our movies today are great. We'll we'll get to that. Whoa, all right. I feel like we can disagree and I feel like we're fighting already, but alright.

SPEAKER_02 5:37

Fighting? Just hang on. No, um uh I was gonna say um I we finished our first season uh re real relatively recently, and I gave him uh Zoro the Gay Blade was the movie I gave him, thinking this is a fun frolic, you know, and from the 80s, and it was like he it was like I dragged him through, you know, broken glass. And I've been on a pretty bad streak so far giving it like surely you'll like this. No.

SPEAKER_05 6:09

So the blade was not gay, was not actually gay.

SPEAKER_02 6:12

It was not gay enough, I guess.

SPEAKER_05 6:13

Oh, and the title lied. Yeah, yeah, it lied to me titularly. I hate when it does that.

SPEAKER_01 6:19

Yeah, I liked about half the movie, but then the other half was just it took too long to get to get going. You have to sit there about 45 minutes until the plot even starts.

SPEAKER_05 6:28

I've learned to not be greedy. I don't expect a movie to be good all the way through. If they're if you're good at some point, I I I that counts for a lot.

SPEAKER_01 6:36

Right.

SPEAKER_05 6:36

Getting getting a beginning right, a lot of movies dope. So this is true.

SPEAKER_00 6:42

This is true.

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So which one do you want to tackle first here, Marty? Uh Barbarella. Let's do Barbarella.

SPEAKER_05 6:49

Chronologically.

SPEAKER_02 6:50

Yeah. Barbarella, all right. 68. Barbarella, 68. Bar Barbarella. I was doing the exact same thing watching this movie.

SPEAKER_05 6:59

Yeah, I didn't do it while watching the movie, luckily.

SPEAKER_02 7:02

I was literally singing Barbarella to myself.

SPEAKER_01 7:04

Um I was singing Duran Duran songs to myself throughout the whole film.

SPEAKER_05 7:08

So I loved that. That really did uh that did tickle me. Do you guys do a whole synopsis first?

SPEAKER_02 7:13

Or yeah, we do a quick rundown of the movie. Um I'll just I'll just give you the quick, I'll give you the tagline or the I saw the movie and then the plot. Well, the audience. Uh in the forty in the 41st century, an astronaut partakes in sexy misadventures while seeking to stop an evil scientist who threatens to unleash a powerful weapon upon the galaxy. So that's your log line for Barbarella. Um storyline is basically the year is four three The Year is four thousand. After peacefully floating in zero gravity, astronaut Barbarella lands on the front of the planet Lithion and sets out to find renowned scientist Durand Duran in the city of night, Sogo, where a new sen is invented area every hour. She encounters such objects as the excessive machine, a genuine sex organ on which an expert artist at the keyboard, in this case Durandoran himself, can drive a victim to death by pleasure, a lesbian queen who can make her fantasies take form in her chamber of dreams, and a group of ladies smoking a giant hookah, which does objection. This is just queen.

SPEAKER_05 8:14

Objection, the queen was not a lesbian. No, I was thinking that. Queen was bisexual, at least. No, we will not commit biurasia here. Take that bisexual queen.

SPEAKER_02 8:28

So, well, I mean, okay. Bisexual. Bisexual. Alright.

SPEAKER_05 8:32

So we don't have time to cover that in Barbarella today.

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No, we don't.

SPEAKER_02 8:37

So um, yeah, S3. So, but so that's your so uh right away the movie Stenon Plot. Um and and that's kind of I th in my my opinion, that's some of how these movies were back in the day.

SPEAKER_01 8:57

At least on that French comic strip, right?

SPEAKER_02 8:59

Sci-fi movies like this. Sci-fi movies that weren't hard science sci-fi movies usually tend to have tended to have a more a little bit more of a vague plot like this back then to um to allow them to kind of do their set pieces and their things they were doing in movie story on.

SPEAKER_05 9:10

Absolutely. But it makes up for with some wonderful set pieces and some really great costumes and lack of costumes at times.

SPEAKER_02 9:17

I mean, you do get you get an opening sequence of Jane Fonda taking all of her clothes off, floating in Zero G, and and now there's a couple of versions. Who can be mad at that? Uh correct. Yeah, the the one I the one I saw was much more uh edited in the editing.

SPEAKER_05 9:32

Yeah, I think there's one that's like two minutes shorter based on the editing, and I don't know which one I saw. I'm assuming I saw the more tame one, though. Huh.

SPEAKER_01 9:41

From what I read was uh apparently the version they reissued in 77 was edited for theaters, but apparently every home video version has been the uncut. That's just what I read, so I don't really know.

SPEAKER_05 9:53

Alright, now that that's pretty damning there, though.

SPEAKER_01 9:56

For PG, I mean you get away with a lot back then, so I'm sure it was PG.

SPEAKER_02 10:02

Yeah, this would not be PG now. But yeah, this was PG. I mean there's dress.

SPEAKER_05 10:06

I mean, they're not there's not a lot, but they're there. But the thing is, I think uh, you know, this isn't I wouldn't call this a sex romp.

SPEAKER_02 10:15

She's more of a far sexually liberated in a way, but she's kind of innocent in and it's like like because like she seems like she has never it's she loses that innocence throughout the movie, though, right?

SPEAKER_05 10:27

Right, right. I would say, well, okay, I can't say she loses her innocence, she loses her naivete or inexperience. Really, she loses her inexperience. That's the word I'm looking for.

SPEAKER_02 10:37

Yeah, yeah. Because it's it's that whole innocent. It's that whole demolition man sex that she's experiencing. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 10:44

Absolutely, which is uh which that guy seems to really like though.

SPEAKER_02 10:49

They have Easter seems I I've been hiding these pills for five years. Take the pills with me. Well, what what good were they? You know, I mean I mean, come on.

SPEAKER_05 10:59

And that's Duran Duran had no purpose for them either, apparently, for the same reason, I guess.

SPEAKER_02 11:03

I guess. Um, and that's it, and again, that's this is the type of movie that you can't dig too deeply into because you just begin to find, you know, hole after hole and you start to ask questions. So you just kind of go, you know what, I'm just gonna sit back and sort of, like you said, enjoy the visuals. It's a very pretty movie. Um, the set design, whoever did the set design did a fantastic fucking job on the set design. Like wildly creative set design. And then you've got um Paco Raban who does all the fucking costumes, and Paco Raban's a really well-known designer who dealt with a lot of futuristic kind of metal, worked in metal and and stuff for for design. So all that stuff's there. It's just man, I wanted something, I wanted some backup with the story and you know, a little bit more coolness than rather than just kind of this like sort of weird set piece to set piece thing that we got. Well, that's the new thing.

SPEAKER_05 11:53

I'm happy that there was a lack of substance. I I I wanted this to be nothing but a fluffy romp. I didn't, I you know, nothing but but good vibes, you know, uh uh Jane Fonda just sort of like turning everyone the world on with her smile. The universe went on with her smile in this case. Um uh, you know, uh a happy ending, you know, it almost a fairy tale, right? Where the the evil queen, uh bisexual or otherwise, however she identifies, uh is uh, you know, comes over and and and is sort of purified and joins the right side. Um, even though I'm not really sure what necessarily made her evil. I'm really not sure exactly what made any of the city evil for sure. That's what I'm talking about. But but they decidedly said it was evil, right? I mean, they were the congress they said it was evil, so we should blow it up. They said it was you know well, you have to remember everyone who made this movie had to be on acid, right? God, yes. Oh god and that's an important part of the vibe of psychedelic movie for sure.

SPEAKER_02 12:57

Absolutely, heavy, heavy into that.

SPEAKER_01 13:00

Um remember it was the city had or the labyrinth had that Ghostbuster 2-ish slime thing that reacted to your emotions, and if you were negative, it would eat you alive. And doesn't it this thing that's puke-oh, it puked you out because you're so innocent at the end.

SPEAKER_05 13:17

There's a there's a lot of lore here, and it's a very lived-in world, but it's not explained to us through a bunch of like exposition. Uh, it just sort of happens because the people making the film were just like, yeah, you know, emotional river of slime, you know.

SPEAKER_02 13:30

It's uh it it look, I I love the opening of the movie. I think it's kind of neat. Um, Marty, I have to say, you know, in this movie, once again, like we we just did get him to the Greek, so I'm going to say you gotta stroke the furry walls, um, which this movie had a bunch of. Uh the entire cockpit of her. It's a euphemism, just furry walls, you know.

SPEAKER_05 13:51

You know that, right?

SPEAKER_02 13:52

Yes, of course.

SPEAKER_05 13:53

Where? Okay. Um, I'll tell you who got the short end of the stick of the titles. I can't remember the guy's name, but the the letters of his name go up and cover the naughty bits of Jane Fonda after. And so everyone hates that guy. It's not even his fault. He didn't make the title either. But the t whoever made the titles were like, fuck that guy. We're gonna make him the most hated guy in the world. Have him cover all of Fonda's naughty bits.

SPEAKER_02 14:18

Um, one of the things that I I had a note here is that this is this is back in the day when like molded plastics were the wave of the future and so futuristic. Wave of the future. Let's let we gotta get a lot of molded plastics in here, guys. Like, let's go. And and it really struck me that 10 years later, Lucas is like, I don't want any of that shit in my movie. I want, I want, I want the I want the empire to be clean and fucking beautiful, and I want the rebels to be dirty and analog and broken down and shitty, and that's the aesthetic I want. And so it's it was a real shit. Like, I mean, the dude did Logan's Run, and Logan's Run seems to kind of fall more into that molded plastic kind of attempt that they're doing, and then he moves into Star Wars and it's completely, in my opinion, different.

SPEAKER_05 15:00

I think it's the Warning from Space aesthetic that um that Kubrick picked up on a lot too in 2001. Um but Warning from Space, the the uh Daye, I believe it's Dae. Uh okay good, if it's not Dae. Um, but it's a Japanese uh sci-fi film. Um I believe uh Rift Rift Trax does it. Uh it's our friend at Brit, it's actually Brit Trax who does it. It's Matthew J. Ian Potter. Um they do it, but uh Warning from Space is is Warning from Space, I might write that one out. It's uh it's a very silly Japanese sci-fi film, but the uh actual aesthetics of the spaceship went on to inspire like Kubrick, who went on to inspire others. So ipso facto, the silly starfish alien movie actually, you know, was kind of cool. The aliens are big starfish with big eyes, they look like Starrow.

SPEAKER_01 15:51

I know the movie you're talking about. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Oh, go ahead, go ahead. No, go ahead, please. I even saw things in Barbarella that uh seem to inspire things like in Star Wars. Like they have early versions of flying around doing dog fights that are so primordial in Barbarella, and you cut the 10 years later and you have TIE Fighters and X-Wings, and I know there's other movies in between, but it just felt like uh Barbarella led to a lot of other movies, most mostly like Flash Gordon from 1980 really feels Barbarella-ish to me.

SPEAKER_02 16:24

I completely agree. I was gonna say to me, Barbarella feels like feels like that's where Flesh Gordon, like that that's kind of where this was heading.

SPEAKER_01 16:35

Alexina, every one of those type of movies all open.

SPEAKER_02 16:38

I feel like a lot of the aesthetics from Barbarella, like you said, were grabbed by a lot of people.

SPEAKER_01 16:42

Superman even has a little bit of it, the very first Superman. But the one part was there's a movie from the 80s called The Perils of Gwendolyn in the Land of Yik Yak, starring Tawny Catane. Hell of a title. Yeah, it's also known as Gwendolyn, the original French title, but it's kind of like how What was the French title? Uh just Gwendolyn. Just Gwendolyn based off the perils. It's a better title. And it's it feels like instead of an outer space aesthetic, it's a Raiders of the Lost Ark aesthetic, but it's still kind of the same movie as Barbarella in a way. Right, down to where we get the whole ranking system with the one boob out, one boob hidden thing. And of course it's the 80s, so it's a lot hornier of a film, but it's kind of the same thing, and also based on a French comic. So it's kind of weird. It's also weird that the film Danger Diabolic was filmed in the same studio right before Barbarella, which explains why John Philip Law is in both films. And that's another French comic strip about bondage and leather gear and tight plastics.

SPEAKER_05 17:44

So you just uh hang around the studio long enough and they'll just keep hanging around, they'll keep putting you in movies.

SPEAKER_02 17:50

My favorite line from the movie is better adjust my tongue box. Um I love that line. Um, I just think it's silly and uh Yumba quote. Right? And then the other is primitive state of neurotic irresponsibility. Um that's all of us, you know. That's great.

SPEAKER_05 18:07

And I and I love uh I love Duran Duran, you know, himself, but obviously it inspires the band. And uh I I didn't know that, you know, until seeing the movie. Um I actually hadn't seen this movie until until this. I've I hadn't seen it before. It had been recommended by Big Big Ben Hassler, but I hadn't seen it. I don't know, is it a household kind of movie? I think I thought it was more uh even more smuddy, uh closer to a flesh Gordon, uh-huh. Um like really, really Swinger and Rompery. And it's not. It's it's um if you took a little bit of the nudity out, it could you could kids could watch this. Yeah, you know, without the orgasm machine, obviously. Um, you know, and the fact that she's able to just uh make everyone like her by sleeping with all of them. Um what what I thought of the whole time I guess so forth. The whole time I watched the movie, I kind of thought it it was like a Wizard of Oz uh sort of story, like uh Barbarella's Dorothy dropped in the world, and as she meets each kind of guy and is able to turn her to her side, she builds ally and ally until she's able to finally overcome sort of the evil authority who who uh you know was the person in the big city, um, but not who they seem to be. I think kind of loose, uh, but it's it's kind of what I thought of, especially the evil city. I I kept thinking of like Alpha and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 19:25

And and the hairy guy is kind of like the cowardly lion in a way, in that respect.

SPEAKER_05 19:30

Yeah, I mean, I think I think it's uh it's kind of loose, but especially as she kept, she's like, oh, she's just gonna keep meeting new suitors. Like, here's the angel who can't fly, but now Barbarella's gonna help him through the magic of sex.

SPEAKER_02 19:42

Through the magic of sex. He needed a boost. Yeah, oh, he needs a morale boost. I've got something to fix that. We forgot about this. It's such a male fantasy. Just a jump cut in the movie, too. I thought it was a male fantasy. They just suddenly she's in the bird's nest, like exactly. And then he's flying. Oh, he's flying, and yeah, of course he is.

SPEAKER_01 20:04

Yeah. I thought it would be more of a female fantasy because she's the one in control, and the guys are kind of just the subservient boy toys throughout where it's like, oh, here's a guy like this. Here's a guy.

SPEAKER_05 20:14

Is that a female fantasy to sleep with men until they're better? I'm very interested, ladies.

SPEAKER_00 20:25

We're gonna get a lot of comments on this episode after the fantasy out.

SPEAKER_01 20:30

That was great. Interesting film. We'll see that.

SPEAKER_05 20:34

I can think of many volunteers to help you.

SPEAKER_02 20:37

The the first guy that she encounters, the the hunter guy that hunts the kids for the you know, that the creepy kids with the biting dolls. They were evil kids and scary dolls. They were no scary that those were really well done. That was that was pretty well done. The guy though, he's like he shows up in this weird like gorilla bear suit. It looks like a gorilla bear suit, and then when he goes to like you know make love to her, he pulls the bear suit off, and it's just he's just so hairy, he's just like wearing another bear suit under him. And I was just like, why even put the bear suit on? You don't even need it. Anyway, I thought it was hilarious.

SPEAKER_01 21:11

Right. Well, I'm sure that got a good laugh in the theater, you know. Sure we do. I actually saw this at the theater of a revival screening a few years ago, and if you ever get a chance, that is the way to really see that one. The set pieces and everything work so much better large. TV just it doesn't quite translate as well in the small screen.

SPEAKER_05 21:31

I I think this movie, you know, is due for kind of a resurgence, like in the in the world of uh film Twitter and meming. I mean, this thing is so visually iconic in so many places. I mean no kidding. No kidding, ripe for Comic-Con cosplays, I mean, of just Barbarella herself, but really a lot of uh the characters in this movie would would definitely work. Um, and then just those killer scary dolls. I mean, they would you know they're begging to be memed, you know. Yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_02 22:01

Um the music.

SPEAKER_05 22:02

Considering Return of Oz has gotten such a reappraisal with its scary wheel man, I think, that these killer dolls kind of they deserve this deserves to be somewhere in the traumatic imagery.

SPEAKER_02 22:14

I think the music's a little dated for me. Um it sounds like it sounds like yeah, I know, but it sounds like music that but it all but even then it sounds like music that you would that would be in like uh an informational video for 3M products like 3M, we make marketing and technology, you know, and that you know, it was it just kind of kept pulling me out.

SPEAKER_05 22:37

I'm like this weird. The 60s movies I know with like Casino Royale, like it's got the uh the you know, the Herb Albert at the beginning, it's it's always got that kind of upbeat.

SPEAKER_02 22:48

Yeah, so I thought this was the worst version of that in my opinion.

SPEAKER_05 22:51

Like I mean, yes, it's worse than Herb Albert, sure. Right. Well, yeah, even if you get third rate, that's not that bad. Third rate to Herb Albert, that's not too bad. Um uh, but I I think uh I think a 60s kind of upbeat it immediately established the stakes that this was gonna be a fun romp, that we were here to have a good time and watch uh watch Shane Fonda having a good time. And um so I I dug it. Uh I thought I thought about Fantastic Voyage a lot because it also kind of has an upbeat soundtrack and a lot of great uh set pieces.

SPEAKER_02 23:27

Um I have a note here that in the six in the late 60s that I feel like people who would have gone to see this are the same people who thought that like Playboy was a cosmopolitan magazine and read it for the articles, along with you know uh being very forefront. Um, you know, hey, there's a Kilgore trout piece in that I want to read. Don't throw that away, you know, type of thing.

SPEAKER_01 23:48

Um this is before the golden age of porn, so it was probably considered like, oh, this is pretty rainy. This is kind of like a class thing, you know.

SPEAKER_05 23:57

Even around now, the nudic cuties were in pretty prominent swing. So to go see a whole movie like this just to get a few seconds of of breasts, I don't think would do it when there's so many of those like Anudist stories, and you know, um there's like a dozen of those. No volleyball. There is a lot of volleyball. What else are you gonna do, Negan? I guess. Um but like I I you know, or or there's the uh there's like the Mondo documentary kind of stuff. So I think if you're looking to satisfy the perverts, there's too much uh charm uh to the the production uh value in in this one.

SPEAKER_01 24:43

It's the innocence of it, and then all the ones that come after the flesh gordons and even like the Gwendolyn I was talking about, they they ramp up the the sex part of it so it doesn't have the innocence fact.

SPEAKER_02 24:52

Yeah, this movie kind of gives up on the nudity. I mean, like it pulls it back in at the kind of the end of the movie when you get to that big scene and the girls on the swing or whatever, but like they do, you know, okay, here's Jane Find a nude, here it is for just a second again, and then off to Storyland. You know, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

Um well it's the year 4000, and they don't know or care about sex, so being naked to them doesn't matter. So I think that's kind of the context of it. But space is cold, and it has scary parakeets. You know, watching that steam where she was attacked by those parakeets, I was like, I've owned at least five or six of those birds throughout the years. I was like, I remember that one and that one, and but I've been I've told myself they're outer space parakeets, maybe they're a little more vicious than the ones that are here.

SPEAKER_02 25:35

Apparently. Pluto Keats. Pluto Keats, they'll kill you every time. Um, Pygar, watch out. That is a line in the movie. She says Pygar a lot.

SPEAKER_05 25:45

I know, but but Pygar's the guy's name.

SPEAKER_02 25:48

He's fucking blind.

SPEAKER_05 25:50

Yeah. Well, okay. Well, I guess. But he hatches other senses.

SPEAKER_02 25:58

Oh man. It's a fun movie. Um I I just for me, it's kind of a slog. That music really really throws me. I wanted to sing my beautiful balloon at one point in the middle of the movie. Um, because it's just it's right, what that's what it reminds me of. But I mean, but I can't but I can't deny like that, like I said, the artistic, uh the artistic attempt is there. And I've been reading a lot online lately, especially with Megalopolis coming out about like, you know, should you take a big fucking swing or not? Right? Like, should you make a movie that you know is gonna be commercially viable and have people, or should you just take a big swing and make the movie that you want to make and forget the audience? And I'm I'm starting to lean more towards take the fucking swing and fuck the audience, and they they can they can find it if they want to. The audience will find it. But art by committee is bullshit, right? Like, I mean, I just read that a lot of these studios are gonna start bringing in super fans to build these new stories that they're building, like Marvel. They want to bring in a bunch of super fans and go, what do you guys want to see? And that's a terrible idea. Terrible idea. Because most super fans can't be able to do that. What if they invited you? You know, I'd I wouldn't I wouldn't do it. I'd say, look, I would the at most I would say something like, I wouldn't mind seeing this type of story or that type of story, but I'm not gonna tell you how to do these characters, create them or what plots you should do, and I'm not gonna weigh in on that shit, because I want to see the art. Like if we'd done that, the Russo brothers may have fucked up Infinity War and and uh Endgame. You know? You gotta have this, you gotta have that. No, you don't. Anyway, working off my soapbox. I just um this it watching this movie reminded me like they these this is a nine million dollar budget in '68. That's a big fucking swing for uh.

SPEAKER_01 27:35

It looks like they got to do whatever they want, yeah. Yeah, it doesn't feel like there was notes on this movie. It felt more like it was.

SPEAKER_02 27:42

Yeah, just wide open, and I admire the shit out of that part of it. I mean, what did it make? It it like according to IMDB, it made eighteen hundred dollars in in theaters. 1800? 1800 is what IMDB reports it at.

SPEAKER_01 27:56

Oh, I'm sure it did better than that. I can't believe that either. Yeah, I can't literally that's what I mean.

SPEAKER_02 28:04

$128 gross worldwide is what but is what the is what IMDB has.

SPEAKER_05 28:11

I also skeptical on it. I am too. I am too. Especially, I mean, we've just talked about all the things it it's likely inspired because you can you can see those design elements picked up in things we see later. So I I got really somebody had to see this goddamn thing to be inspired by it, and I assume they paid.

SPEAKER_02 28:29

I got weird crawl vibes. Like when they're in the dream room, I got some seriously wild vibes like, oh, that's why am I getting curl vibes so strong from this movie? It's definitely in sp definitely, definitely. People have been pulling from this.

SPEAKER_01 28:43

Um, I love view screen at one point. True.

SPEAKER_02 28:47

True.

SPEAKER_05 28:48

I mean, I feel like they took the swing, but I feel like they nailed it. I feel like it's uh uh if if what they wanted was a the light-hearted sci-fi sex comedy romp. I mean, I think sex is a little bit on the on the back burner more than they would think, but uh I think the comedy is too, honestly.

SPEAKER_02 29:07

I don't I don't I didn't find it very funny. Like I didn't find this movie to be like I wasn't oh man, that's hilarious.

SPEAKER_05 29:14

I think it means I think we're talking about comedy too in a in a in the classic sense and that it has a happy ending, right? It's not a tragedy.

SPEAKER_02 29:21

Yeah. Um I love that they named a character Dildano. So why just just name him Dildo and get it over with? You know that's what you wanted to do. Um who knows?

SPEAKER_05 29:33

Who knows? Maybe they weren't even called dildos back in the 60s. Maybe they had a cooler name.

SPEAKER_02 29:37

Yeah, well, that's why I that was my other note. Why not just name him Steely Dan and get it over with? That would have been cooler. You know? Um, he also looks like the bad cop in moving violations. Oh which I found very funny. So it says here.

SPEAKER_04 29:51

So you found something funny. You were like, wasn't funny. It's no comedy, it's not funny.

SPEAKER_01 29:57

Yeah, 5.5 million it made. 5.5 million?

SPEAKER_05 30:01

Okay, that's that's probably yeah, okay. They said how much you said off a 9 million budget? 9 million, yeah. So it's a good one. That's a bad swing, I guess. Yeah, yeah. That's see, that's shocking to me because like uh I think of all you know, the cave, you know, the dinosaur and and cave woman movies were still so popular around that time. 10,000 and into the 70s. Yep. Um uh and uh I just would think that this kind of thing is you know pretty girl running around for two hours, most people were gonna sign up. What's the problem? The poster alone looks colorful.

SPEAKER_02 30:37

So I don't know why people wouldn't be there for it. It's the the art is there. The art of the film is there. It's this it's it's just it lacks story. You know, it really need it. Yeah, that's that's part of that's part of what you need. If you need you know, not if it's going to find it. It's an out of world.

SPEAKER_05 30:56

The store the story is see this world. Become more familiar with this this strange little futuristic space world where sex is uh in some ways more appropriate, in other ways more locked down. Um, you know, she's a fish out of water, so one you get to see the world that she's from, which is so different from ours, and then the world she goes to, which is even different from both. Uh so plot, I mean, it's like saying, Well, what's the plot of the Wizard of Oz? I mean, she's just moving locations and meeting people. She's doing the same thing here to ultimately meet another final character. She has a journey, uh, right? I mean, at the beginning, she really has no friends, she's completely lonely, and by the end, she builds probably even more than we see with the queen. Because, like I said, she she's met uh several other characters along the way who have kind of re-popped up. So uh I I think there is a story. It it may not have twists, but there is movement. She moves and and there are characters and again locations, and and I think I think that's enough combined with all the the aesthetics of it too. And the fantastic music which you brought up.

SPEAKER_02 32:06

Um yeah, I mean I I I I don't I I don't necessarily agree, but I see where you're going coming from. And I and I I I I recognize why people would like this film, it's just not one that I really you know. I I saw this film I think the first time on night flight in 1984 or 85.

SPEAKER_00 32:26

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 32:27

That's probably I've seen it, I think I was 12 or 13, and I've seen it several times since. And every time I just it's just it's right about the time that they get in the right about the time that they get in the sled and the manta ray things are all swooping, you know, oh that manta ray is so cool! I was just like, you lost me, you lost me. Just because it just it just I love the the wild silliness of the art and the and where they're going in the attempt they're making it.

SPEAKER_05 32:55

And that's so that's so as a fan of uh putting it as a fan of Japanese taku, that's so taku, that's so you know, common rider or super sentai, that manta ray pulling that sled along, like that is so bizarro like that. Um it's it's very bizarre. I popped for it, I remember.

SPEAKER_01 33:16

And strangely enough, how does this movie tie into the faculty? Well, at one time, Robert Rodriguez, the director of the faculty, was set to do a remake of Barbarella starring Rose McGowan. It was around the time period of Crime House, but it fell through. And now apparently somebody else is still trying to make remake Barbarella for next year. I almost wish they wouldn't because I feel like they're gonna make a perfect slick version, and I like kind of the the weird clunkiness like the trying to fly against the Star Trek-esque background, and I like the handmade aspect of it. So if they do remake it, I hope they don't make it too slick.

SPEAKER_05 33:52

It needs to be O'Tour director driven, you know. Like if if uh Tim Burton's not the right guy anymore, but Tim Burton, like you know, maybe 15 years ago, was probably the right guy or the right kind of guy where he's got such a visual eye, and then if you put the right person in the character, yeah, I'm gonna say I'm gonna say Anya Taylor Joy. There I said it, because she's in everything now. Um and she would have that sweet, bubbly innocence to drive that. But it can't be like the sex romp doesn't shock anymore. I mean, sex doesn't shock in that way. So uh I think basically you could remake it, but we kind of saw it last year and it was Poor Things, right? Uh, you know, sex-driven, uh Starlit, uh that that carries all the momentum of the story, meeting people on a journey as she goes along. Uh, like I said, a lot of lot of uh uh nudity and stuff in it. So you know, Poor Things essentially is kind of Barbarella in a mix with Frankenstein in a different world. So um I I do think it would work, um, but it's it's a different sort of yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:01

It says here uh Edgar Wright signed on to direct and Sydney Sweeney set to star.

SPEAKER_04 35:07

I was just I was gonna say Sydney Sweeney, but she she's she's fantastic.

SPEAKER_05 35:12

She's gonna be everywhere sexual.

SPEAKER_02 35:15

She's gonna be sexual, she's gonna smolder. And that's the angle they're gonna take with it. It's gonna change the film.

SPEAKER_05 35:23

Right. Yeah. Uh so I I love I always support stuff that Sweeney does, um, but I think that that uh you know she she's like someone that they dressed her as a nun for a whole movie and she was still sexy the whole time, you know. Like uh, you know, you it's it's gonna be overload. I think I think putting someone who comes off as more innocent in the role, like Fonda does, comes off real innocent and modest. I think that's the other thing. Modest, right? Anna DeArmus would be a good pick. Um only because she's really got the hyper likability thing.

SPEAKER_02 36:01

Yeah, big time.

SPEAKER_05 36:02

She's um and the innocence too. So kind of a Disney princess come to life.

SPEAKER_02 36:07

Exactly. Yeah. And that's and Fonda, especially back then, had that, especially in this movie, has that vibe. She's she really nails that, like, like we were talking about that night.

SPEAKER_05 36:14

Well, and modesty too, like, right? Uh, you know, she doesn't uh she doesn't know uh exactly what she's got. She's just because she's she's new to the world, so um, you know, her all Earth Girls like you. I'm about average.

SPEAKER_02 36:26

I'm about average. You could play uh a drinking game with the number of times that they have her stick her butt in the camera and be drunk 45 minutes into this movie.

SPEAKER_01 36:34

I thought you were gonna say when she says pie gar, take a sip. Yeah, some of us were drunk before the movie.

SPEAKER_02 36:40

You'd be blacked out by the if you did pieguar, you would be blackout drunk and wouldn't finish the movie.

unknown 36:45

Anyway.

SPEAKER_02 36:46

Uh what do you give it? Star Wars.

SPEAKER_05 36:48

Everybody was trying to uh the transistor faculty, but if if but if okay, we're doing stars, okay. All right. Best out of five.

SPEAKER_01 36:54

Out of five. All right. What what are you going with? I give it a three. I I got a good kick out of it. Throughout the years, I enjoy it more and more. And I've I've started just looking at it as just follow where it goes and don't try to make sense out of it too much. Every 10 minutes the story's gonna switch again and just go with it. But I I enjoy it. I enjoy it a lot. It's not perfect, but three. I think three is good.

unknown 37:18

Right.

SPEAKER_05 37:20

Uh I'm going four out of five. I think I think uh I think the aesthetics are all very singular. I think it inspires a lot of stuff that comes after it. Uh really light, very bubbly, bright. Um even the evil guys aren't that evil, you know. There's like one kind of sinister scene in it. Uh like I said, if it wasn't sexual, it'd be damn near like a Disney uh family romp thing. So uh just such good vibes out of it. It's it's just uh as a collective whole, such a bright aesthetic and piece of art. So I thought it was fantastic.

SPEAKER_02 37:55

I'm gonna go three. Although I really want to go two and I really want to go two and a half, but um just because that for me it just fails in some points. But I agree with you guys that as far as a movie that people dip into for inspiration and they borrow from for a lot of things and have over the years, it's it's a very important piece of filmmaking. But for me, it's just it's like it just doesn't hit like I want it to. I want to give it, I want it to be better, I want it to tell me a little bit more story, I want that music to be a little bit better. I don't know, I'll probably I'll probably be the guy that's like the fucking Barbarella remake is way better than the original. That'll probably be right. Cindy Sweeney's in it. It's great. Fucking Edgar Wright's awesome.

SPEAKER_01 38:37

So then our second movie today is uh it's an interesting combination. You get Robert Rodriguez and Kevin Williamson teaming up. So it's your Scream El Mariachi combination. You never knew that you needed in your life, but it's the faculty from 1998. I was one of the few people that actually saw this when it came out because apparently it didn't do that great, but it's gotten a cult following over the years. But I remember seeing it at the drive-in. And much like Barbarella, at the time I was like, uh, you know, it's okay, but as the years go by, I find myself enjoying this movie more and more. But what is the faculty, Cliff?

SPEAKER_02 39:12

The faculty from 1998. Uh when Casey Connor, Harrington High School's newspaper photographer, witnesses the murder of a nurse and sees her alive again, he decides to investigate the bizarre happenings. That's your log of mine. Uh your storyline. Your storyline is a horror tale set in high school where the students suspect the teaching staff of being aliens who are intent on making the students their victims. Pretty much the brund out.

SPEAKER_05 39:39

It's invasion of the body snatchers in a high school with a cast of archetypal student archetypes.

SPEAKER_02 39:47

It's Dawson Creek meets it's Dawson's Creek meets the invasion of the body snatchers.

SPEAKER_05 39:52

And let's and let's, you know, not uh bury the lead here, probably the best cast of the 90s. Like as far as cameos go, especially, I I mean uh it's it's hard to compete.

SPEAKER_02 40:05

I I imagine that Salma Hayek was like, I don't have to put any makeup on for this, shit yeah, I'm in. Like, because she was just you know, because she sick during the whole movie. She's like, we're gonna be doing well. Yeah, not like where she's just like, I don't have to, I don't have to fucking lose, you know, I don't have to, you know, worry about what I look like, I don't have to sit in a makeup trailer for two hours, just get me on camera, great, you know.

SPEAKER_01 40:23

Quite different from Just Till Dawn a few years earlier. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 40:26

Exactly, and and another Robert Rodriguez movie, right? Where's the she's she's gone bump both ways, right? She's gone the whole gamut. But that's a fantastic cast.

SPEAKER_01 40:35

John Stewart, I forgot, was in this. That was a surprise.

SPEAKER_05 40:38

John Stewart's one of the teachers. BB Neworth is the principal.

SPEAKER_02 40:43

As soon as I saw her, I was like, oh, I'm already given a half a star because she's in the fucking movie. Anyone can break it.

SPEAKER_05 40:48

Jensen who they try who they try to put glasses and a sweater on to debrand, pretend she's not the most beautiful woman in the world.

SPEAKER_02 40:56

And it's like, no. We're gonna dress you up as the ugly librarian. It's not gonna work. Ugly librarian fitness model.

SPEAKER_05 41:08

Not a chance, not a chance. But Usher's in this movie.

SPEAKER_04 41:13

Usher, yes, Usher.

SPEAKER_02 41:16

Shooter McGavin is in this fucking movie.

SPEAKER_05 41:19

Yes, he's the dad. Exactly. Uh um, he's terrific. Who's the who's the English teacher, the the male teacher, too?

SPEAKER_02 41:27

Um, um what's his name? He's a he's a really well-known character. But he's he's yeah, he's one of those guys who's Daniel Daniel von Bargen.

SPEAKER_05 41:36

That sounds right.

SPEAKER_02 41:37

Yeah. And then you've got Daniel Von Bargen. You've got Jordana Brewster.

SPEAKER_05 41:43

Yes, but Jordana Brewster, who was on it before.

SPEAKER_02 41:46

Yeah, the whole fucking sp uh franchise, yep.

SPEAKER_01 41:49

And this is pre-Lord of the Rings, too, for uh Elijah Brewster.

SPEAKER_05 41:52

Elijah Wood is the exact. We haven't even gotten it. Everyone we named there was like the cast and the we forgot probably the best, and we haven't even of Robert Patrick, the coach. And that's just the that's just the faculty themselves. We haven't even gotten to the students. We did mention Jordana Brewster. Josh Hartnett's in it. Josh Hartnett as a stud muffin. Elijah Wood.

SPEAKER_02 42:12

Yeah, Clea Du Clea Duval's in this.

SPEAKER_05 42:15

Clea Duval, who is one of my early crushes, and I still have from this movie, is is I've got a such a huge crush on Clea Duval in this movie. Uh, because she's so tough and so cool, and she kicked aliens' asses.

SPEAKER_02 42:30

Um and then Laura Harris and show I don't think she gets to do much else, does she? No, she's but she's the she's the one that uh it's weird. She's the one that uh does the the nudity. But yeah, it's it's it's weird that she does I don't remember seeing her in anything else. Like I haven't I haven't seen her in much else. She's great in this, not not because of the nudity, but she's just great uh in the film as itself.

SPEAKER_05 42:52

But I think yeah, I think she's pretty good in in the film itself. Um there might have been like I can't remember a lot of the roles she went up to might have gone to like Sarah Michelle Geller and stuff around that kind of time. That would make sense um around that sort of competition. Um because even Stan, the football player, I don't think I've seen him in a lot of other stuff, but he's he's really good. Sean Hintosi, right?

SPEAKER_00 43:13

Yeah, yeah, I guess so.

SPEAKER_05 43:15

But yeah, I mean the whole all six of them, like the the all the main student casts, I mean, they're archetypal characters, but I feel like they're very lived in. Even just I think that's the great way that the story's told across basically two and a half days of really establishing this is what it's like every day in this school. Until you know, and it's so it's immediately sort of uh lived in. You you you kind of believe everyone, even you know, even Fonkey Jensen to uh to a to a degree.

SPEAKER_02 43:46

Um it's a surprisingly violent school. Like, I mean, there's like I mean, they they just grab a large group and just if you ever been to public schools, I have, and and look, it's I I my school is. Yours. I mean, there weren't there weren't jocks just picking nerds up and ramming their balls into poles. No. I mean Lucky you. I mean that no. I mean, I've seen some kids get dragged down a you know a grass hill.

SPEAKER_01 44:13

Full of caffeine and other household items to snort.

SPEAKER_02 44:16

No, leave him alone. He's tweaking. Yeah, nor did nor did I have my own chemistry lab that I in my you know garage and steal steal chemicals from the chem department to make the drugs that I was selling.

SPEAKER_01 44:27

He reminded me of like a fucked up real genius Val Kilmer character, right? Like knew everything, he's a smart guy, but he's kind of he's a little fucked up with the way his attitude is between him and he also reminded me of fucking Timothy Van Patten in class of 1984.

SPEAKER_02 44:42

A little bit of the Do I do I get do I get the job teach? You know, that that type of shit. Where he's really smart, but he's also, you know, I think even Famka says if you just apply for too smart, so he's the trauma. He's too good for it all. He's just he's so smart, it's he's just you know, it's beneath him to fuck with these people. Well, I mean, I I kind of like that though. Oh, I do, and oh I'm being facetious, but I yeah, that's a that's an archetype that I quite enjoy in movies.

SPEAKER_05 45:09

Yeah, you know, it's it's like he's the he's the goofy uh he's the failed F student, but not because he's stupid, right? It's just it's he's he's disinterested, right? And it's it's not challenging enough. And he realizes that he could skate by easier. Um and I I think that's very believable in technological form. And meanwhile, I don't really believe uh Laura Harris being into him, but yeah, no, she's not a human, right? Well, we don't know that throughout the movie, so like throughout the movie, you're kind of like, Really? I what's she seeing him?

SPEAKER_01 45:43

I don't it's funny when you go back and you know the twist and you start looking for the little hints of where, you know, oh yeah, she really is the there's not much, yeah, really. Um you know, they when they put the little critters in the uh aquarium tank, she's making some faces in that scene that are a little indicative. But yeah, it's not much, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 46:04

Well, uh you know, that's the kind of stuff. Well, it's Williamson, right? So he's trying to throw uh you know his directions his red herrings at you so that you don't buy them, which is which is new girl in town. Hey, we never had a problem until you showed up. It's a very frequent red herring in these kind of stories.

SPEAKER_00 46:21

So you're just kind of like they bring that up too, yeah. Right, exactly.

SPEAKER_05 46:24

The movie goes out its way, and you know who brings it up? It's Georgiana Brewster's character, who's already an alien at the time, which means that and we what we know is there's a telepathic link, they're all sort of her slaves. Uh and that so she wants to introduce the idea that it could be her, because by introducing the suspicion, she removes it.

SPEAKER_02 46:48

Absolutely. Um, I was kind of disappointed at the beginning because I was Lilith is the first death, Billy B.B. Newer's character is the first death. Um, and I thought, well shit, she's not gonna be in any more of the movie. They killed her, and she's now fuck. I was looking forward to kind of why I don't you don't see her in a lot of movies, and then she popped back up again and I was like fucking right on. Oh shit, she's an alien, you know, oh shit.

SPEAKER_05 47:10

So anyway, um I like which is bizarre, which is bizarre because pod people you replacements, right? They're shoppies, but here they actually take over them. So I don't know why they'd stab her a whole bunch of times with scissors. I don't think that anything's established that they heal faster, yeah, no, no, anything like that. Yeah, it's it's it's Williamson's way of trying to lead you off the trail of thinking, oh, the teachers are just going homicidal. He doesn't want you to know until the beginning of Act Two that it's aliens, and it's like, okay, but then that doesn't make sense. Why is she stabbing her, you know? Like uh, so William said he's he's great.

SPEAKER_02 47:55

I uh one of my notes is um this has such a screen feel to it, like like somebody's gonna be like, Oh, it's like a sci-fi screen, yeah. It's very much that.

SPEAKER_01 48:02

Um because they're all aware who made this morning weaver and all that, yeah. Exactly. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 48:07

And ultimately it's another who done it. One of the six is the killer or the alien in this case. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:14

So here's Farcas. And it's kind of enclosed. I mean, he keeps it mainly in the high school. Like, much like kind of like a screen movie. It's it's in the high school and then a couple of houses, and that's basically it. Maybe in a sheriff's department, but the he limits his locations and and moves his story very quickly.

unknown 48:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 48:30

Um to start building.

SPEAKER_02 48:32

Yeah. He I mean, you could you could have really taken that story and been like, because one of the things my notes was they don't seem to be worried about their loved ones at all. They don't seem to be reaching out to their parents and going, checking on their parents and going, Are you a fucking pod person now? You know, they don't they're contained. Well, and you do get the you do get the Elijah Wood part where his parents are like, You're on fucking drugs, we don't believe you, that type of thing. So he did put that in there, but yeah, you're porn. Give me your boobs, Mags. Sorry, buddy. Um but it just especially when they're running through the town, if they had worried about their parents, they he could have kind of brought the town more into it if he wanted to. He chose not to, which I think was a good choice. But um, I like the way he writes, I guess what I'm trying to say. He limits he he stays in his limit low limited locations, he keeps the story moving, and he keeps keeps you guessing constantly.

SPEAKER_01 49:22

And he didn't even write the script in the first place. He was brought in to do punch-ups on it. I guess the script is was quite old. It was print from the 1990, I think, and it took a while kicking around until it finally found the right people to make it. Did you guys spot spot Wiley? Oh, yeah, he was from Days and Confused. He's with uh the cancelled one trying to buy the uh the drugs out of the pens earlier in the movie. Yeah, he's with the Masterson.

SPEAKER_02 49:48

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:49

It took me a second, I'm like, hey, wait a minute, that's that's the kid from Days and Confuse.

SPEAKER_05 49:53

Danny Masterson's a skull hide from that 70s show is cool.

SPEAKER_02 49:59

He didn't he didn't separate the art from the artist, all right.

SPEAKER_05 50:02

Exactly, exactly. It's it's it's like uh uh all over the news. They're like, Hulk Hogan did this, Hulk Hogan do that. Hulk Hogan didn't do shit.

SPEAKER_04 50:10

I know that guy's Terry Moleya, he's Hulk Hogan. Hulk Hogan wouldn't do this, Hulk Hogan didn't do shit. It's a character.

SPEAKER_02 50:19

Yeah, exactly. God, we have that conversation about we've we've had that conversation on this show several times. Like get it to the Greek. You watch Kidding Greek, you're like, Jesus Christ, it's a cavalcade of fucking canceled people who've done terrible shit. Russell Brand, fucking Jonah Hill. Jonah Hill, not as bad as the other two, but still kind of an asshole. And then, you know, uh fucking Diddy of all people, you know, a thousand dollars.

SPEAKER_05 50:45

Diddy of all people? He called his label bad boy. True. He wasn't this wasn't this, you know, he let you know. He said bad boy for life.

SPEAKER_02 50:54

What part were you listening to? And and he was he was not convicted of killing anybody publicly. So I mean that shit's all for show.

SPEAKER_05 51:04

Plus, there's all those videos coming out where it's like Diddy tried to tell everyone, and they play a clip of his lyrics, and it's like, he was telling you, he was telling you the whole time.

SPEAKER_02 51:15

But you didn't believe him. But but to enjoy that movie, you have to go, all right, I'm not gonna that's not Diddy. That's whatever rap mogul, music mogul. Otherwise, I can't enjoy this movie. That's not Rusty's brand.

SPEAKER_05 51:27

I can still watch uh I I mean I can still watch it. I it doesn't I'm able to set it up Chris Benoit matches, you know. I can still watch Home Alone 2, uh, you know, with no problem. Uh, you know, their characters, um uh and depending on how you watch the movie, I they don't get money from it. So uh it really depends on the way it goes. So uh, you know, for instance, you buy the DVD used at a thrift store, they don't see anything, they already got their money from it, you're not getting anything. So buy the used DVD and they don't get a cent. You know, so if you still want to watch Harry Potter, you want to make sure maybe some people don't get any money from it. You can go buy one of the used Blu-ray sets and watch it all you want, and nobody gets anything.

SPEAKER_02 52:13

Except for that DVD store. Or if you support that person and think Diddy's awesome, then go buy a brand new copy of Get Him to the Greek and you know, make sure he gets a little money for his defense. He said he was a bad boy for life.

SPEAKER_05 52:25

I don't know why people are mad. The man's using oil. Worry about the people who aren't gonna use any oil. They're the trouble.

SPEAKER_01 52:33

The weird thing about that Greek movie is Diddy's character every year. We're not gonna be able to release any of this show. Everything he says is kind of like the stuff he's been accused of, so it makes it harder to separate.

SPEAKER_05 52:46

Yeah, it's it's like all the Vince McMahon stuff, too, right? All the Vince the Vince McMahon scandal. It's like, guys, I've been watching him since the 90s. He said he was doing all this over and over. I mean, he said it himself. I don't know why you didn't believe him.

SPEAKER_01 53:02

And this film produced by the Weinsteins, so there you go.

SPEAKER_05 53:07

But they all are, honestly, right? So um but yeah, Rodriguez has a lot of movies from them. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:14

Well, it was fun to see Stewart as a bad guy in this movie. Uh John Stewart. I quite enjoyed that. You John Stewart's such a like John Stewart's such a likable guy, Mr.

SPEAKER_01 53:22

Furlong, which I thought was a funny name there.

SPEAKER_02 53:25

Yeah, and watching him thrutching him get his fingers cut off and throw kids around the room was was just a lot of but he's got that cringe line earlier where he's trying to hit on some Hayek and he goes, Why don't you just stab a pen in my eye?

SPEAKER_05 53:36

Which is exactly what they do later. And it's like that's a little on the note, you know, because it's that's not an expression. No one walks around going, Why don't you just stab a pen in my eye? You know, that's not a saying, you know, it's not like break a leg and then later he breaks a leg. It's there's no reason for him to say that.

SPEAKER_02 53:53

That's true.

SPEAKER_05 53:54

Kevin Williamson.

SPEAKER_02 53:55

Do they explain? And I may have missed it, but do they explain why Jordana Brewster is suddenly wearing glasses? Because like I at one point, she's hiding, right?

SPEAKER_05 54:04

Oh, she's in an alien by then, though. Right, she's an alien by then. The evening after them witnessing the attack, she clearly gets turned.

SPEAKER_02 54:14

Right. And so that's why I was like, why is it I I was wondering because she at one point one of them go one of them reacts to her glasses and she goes, Don't even, don't even. And great, you know, I think it's Elijah Wood, where he's like, Oh, Jesus, and she's like, Don't even shut up and just grabs him and they go running off. And then the Funk A. Jensen thing, as if Jordana Brewster is still not gorgeous with us. Right, exactly. It's like, oh yeah, that's that did it. Yeah, you're just terrible looking, awful.

SPEAKER_05 54:36

Yeah, she's all that syndrome.

SPEAKER_02 54:38

Yeah, it's it's so weird.

SPEAKER_01 54:40

I like that you can be beheaded and yet the alien put you back together, or so when the aliens are dry, you got your head back on still.

SPEAKER_05 54:48

Was Mars Attack was the year before this, though, right? When they already had the uh the crawling head.

SPEAKER_02 54:54

Yeah, yeah. The effects in this movie were are probably one of the things that's lacking the most.

SPEAKER_01 54:58

Uh the dated CG, yeah. It's it's just dated CG. It's fine, but yeah, it's only when it moves.

SPEAKER_05 55:06

It's it's largely when the alien moves, and I would put that alien running, while it's not great, up against uh like Alien Covenant, where they have a CGI alien running around and it still looks super cringe. So I, you know, I was just watching the most recent VHS movie where they have an alien running around, and its CGI was really bad. This CGI was better than that, and this was 98. So they had they put I think they put the time and they blend it with practical effects when it's not running, which is to me the key thing. You know, I understand moving practical effects is hard. Use CGI there, but if you're gonna close up, do it with the practical effect, with the puppet, like they do here.

SPEAKER_01 55:43

Yeah, it was K and B.

SPEAKER_05 55:44

I love the effects of this, and I think there's just enough of it.

SPEAKER_02 55:48

I like some of the under I can some of the under the skin stuff is the under the skin stuff, and there was it's in particular the the Famp Con Jensen head with the tentacles, just yeah, some of that stuff was just a little, it's just but I would challenge that being on par with Mars attacks.

SPEAKER_05 56:03

Yeah, I would agree with that. Which I don't think we would say the effects are bad. I think they're they're starting to creak a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 56:10

Well, the these effects are gonna play much better on a on a on a big screen because you lose about 20% of the of the image. Because the whole image doesn't bounce back to your eyes, and that's that's what sells a lot of these images and a lot of these effects is you just lose a little bit of it enough to make it fuzzy enough, to make it enough that because when they're crystal clear on DVD or on Blu-ray, you can really see the detail of where they missed, right?

SPEAKER_05 56:34

You're like, oh I can always see the string so hard. Yeah, all my favorite old Godzilla movies, and it's like uh exactly now.

SPEAKER_02 56:41

If you put that shit on a on a wider screen, on on a projected in a theater, you won't see that shit. And the and movie makers back then counted on that.

SPEAKER_05 56:50

They counted on the stuff. They didn't count on you that they didn't count on home video, you know. Very much very, very much so they didn't expect that you were gonna be able to go through with a fine-tooth comb frame by frame and really pick up the mistakes. Right. And I think the if you did, if you did go see their movie four times to pick up their mistakes, who cares? You saw my movie four times.

SPEAKER_01 57:12

Point them out, really. I like that the the way that the CG is getting a little dated makes the movie less kind of gross. It makes it a little more palatable because it's it's a little cartoony-ish and makes it more like one of those 50s sci-fi movies where you would kill the monster with sodium or something, you know.

SPEAKER_05 57:30

The the when she's walking in the locker room and she's in human form, but the shadow is all tentacles around her. That's super 50s. Like that the 50s would always do that. She's in a different shape, and um very well done.

SPEAKER_02 57:45

Yeah, I like that quite a bit. It reminded me of the Clash of the Titans where we meet where Medusa's crawling through the cave and then she changes in the shadow form. You know, that was that reminded me a bit of that too.

SPEAKER_05 57:56

Oh yeah, that's that's certainly probably not a mistake because she's, I believe, uh, as Casey's running around those lockers, like leaning around lockers. Does he use a mirror at some point to look around the corner?

SPEAKER_02 58:07

I think he no, I think he I think he just peeks and then he backs backs away and then he's gone when she comes around the corner because she knows he's there or thinks she knows he's there.

SPEAKER_05 58:15

But that's definitely a clash of the Titan shot, too, though, where you know he's hiding behind the pillar and she comes right up to the pillar to strike, but then he's weeping down to find he's gone. That's that's like direct Harry House in there.

SPEAKER_02 58:27

Um, I'm so glad that Zeke makes meth because that means, of course, he can break down the chemical composition of the alien and figure out how to kill it. I mean he's such a genius scientist at the moment he's gonna be like, exactly. Thank god he knows how to make meth.

SPEAKER_05 58:40

He put those glasses on. He did that's what Tom K. Jensen think. He put the glasses on, he got a little uglier, and he got smarter. Plus two and glasses make you smarter. There it is. This is the movie that establishes it.

SPEAKER_02 58:53

Yeah, roll for breakdown.

SPEAKER_01 58:55

Hey, I earned that D. All right. That was my D. He had an opposite story. He was he wanted the bad grade. Josh Hardnett could really get the good grades.

SPEAKER_05 59:05

The other guy couldn't put on the Josh Hartner was trying to get attention from his mother. They they they kind of all had a bad parent situation. We never really got to know much about Stokely's parents exactly, but we can assume she doesn't come from like that great a home.

SPEAKER_02 59:19

For to me, Stokely is uh your bar your bargain bin Kevin Dillon. Um when you when you can't get Kevin Dillon, you get Stokely. He's your bargain bin Kevin Dillon. Um Stokely is uh Clay Divine. Stokely's Clay Devol.

SPEAKER_05 59:34

I love that guy.

SPEAKER_02 59:35

Oh, oh yeah, my bad. I'm talking, I'm thinking of um Stan. Stan's the football player. Yeah, I'm thinking of the football player, my bad.

SPEAKER_05 59:41

Yeah, Stan, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:42

Clay Devol's uh is Stokely. Yeah, Stokes. Stan is my kind of my bargain, bargain bin Kevin Dillon there. But Stokes is great. I like Earl quite a bit.

SPEAKER_05 59:49

Yeah, and I mean I think he plays football player pretty well, you know. Like when he's got a when he puts the uniform back on and start marching with the team, he looks like an ass kicker. I kind of wish he had gotten to have a fist fight with Zeke, except for the fact that he probably like does I don't know that the alien makes them stronger, though. Like, so I still think Josh Hartney would beat his ass.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:11

Like I I definitely bought him being a football player over Usher. Did anybody buy Usher being a football player? I do, yeah. Why not? I just didn't buy it. He just didn't look comfortable in the uniform. He doesn't look like he's I don't know.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:24

I think it's weird that he like Usher's holding the alien like in his hand when he drops it in one of the uh enemy football, I don't know if opposing football team squadrons. And it's like, here it is in my hand. It's like it had to come right out of your mouth, and not now. Now we could like move it however we want.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:44

Very Star Trek 2 in the ear.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:46

Oh, it's absolutely kind of a Star Trek 2 type uh type thing.

unknown 1:00:50

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:52

My favorite my favorite line of the movie is sniff this.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:56

I don't want it. It's just my favorite line in the movie. Sniff this.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:59

Oh god, there I have a lot of movies that I like, a lot of lines of this that I like.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:05

They brought up Robert Heinlein again. Uh we had was he mentioned in the predestination movie? Was that before? Uh Mo Henry was the negative cutter on this one, another Mo Henry movie. Mo Henry cut like hundreds of films.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:22

She was a negative cutter, cut like four or five hundred films. If you have a movie that you like, eat either Edith Head did the costume work or Mo Henry cut the film.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:31

One of the two. And the bizarre soundtrack of this had the that one song from class of 1999, which was the last recording of Lane Staley, the Alice and Chain singer, which was I knew there was gonna be something Alice and Chains in here for you, Marty.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:45

I had a feeling.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:46

Yeah, because he was basically it was like Rage Against the Machine, but with him as the singer was class of 1999. So it's that weird little kid bit there.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:54

You think the soundtrack's weird? I love I think the soundtrack is one of the critical identities of this, and it is very scream-like, but I love its choice of using another brick in the wall, and it has to use the REM one because it has to be the all, it's gotta be more alty and edgy and 90-y. And I uh you know, we gotta get that off. Sometimes we talk about a movie being timeless or or timeful. This movie is time full, and that's part of the charm. It's a time capsule of not just this era in culture, but of this era in filmmaking.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:29

I mean, right in the beginning of the movie when Hartnett gets out of the GTO, my first thought was, ah, this is when we used to wear three shirts.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:38

Right.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:38

You had you had your white shirt, your shirt over it, and then your flannel. Three shirts. It was a good system. Yeah, it was. I mean, it works. You never, you know, by the end of the day, you're probably down to one shirt, but still, you had three shirts. You had layers to peel off. Exactly. Something to work with.

SPEAKER_05 1:02:54

Something to work with.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:56

Zeke knew that. Um the my my and again, I think Marty and I uh uh Marty made a pickup of this, but the at the end when uh Zeke has joined the football team and like he's like takes a quick break and rips his helmet off, he's like, boom, and who's in the stands fucking waving at him, waiting on him? And Vajensen. She's like, what the fuck?

SPEAKER_05 1:03:17

Early than nothing he's gonna be okay for his high school student and the teacher. But he's been held back a couple times. So it's starting. He has been. He has been. They said that in mind. They said you could have graduated last summer. Remember, she says that. So he is 19 or something, and Frank, that means Uncle Sam, Uncle Sam could send Zeke to die in some godforsaken hole. Don't know. No way. If Uncle Sam could send Zeke to die in some rock that he can do for oil, he can bang his teacher now. There, you know, now he's gonna be out of school. She's clearly waiting until he's out of school. She's in she's in the stands, which I think is a euphemism. Uh, you know, like she's in the stands. She's waiting for reaching.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:08

I think you're reaching, but I love it. Oh my god. Reach for the stars. Kate, keep your feet on the ground, but keep reaching for those stars.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:18

So it's like a fun little tweet.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:22

No, I'm hey, I'm not gonna yuck anybody's yum. Like, if it works for you and it doesn't work for me, great. I that's fine.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:28

You know, now I don't know what the same time are, you know. He cut her head off, and you know, that's a that's a bond when you've been through that.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:38

Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:39

You know, he's seen her at her worst at her at her most vulnerable. So she may lose her job.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:45

But she won't lose her head. Maybe she found love, she won't lose her head. She she wants him to graduate, you see. She's helping him. She's trying to get him to the channel. I don't know if she's going to fly that 5%.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:56

I don't know if she's going to be alive. I mean, her head was removed from her body and the alien put it back together. I'm not sure that the that the thing can just wiggle out of her body now and dry up, and she's gonna be fine.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:08

Well, Jon Stewart's okay too, right? We see him in the end credits where he's like, oh, I don't have fingers. Do we? It's I I I missed it. Is Jon Stewart in the end credits? These guys are like a stinger in the end credits. Well, yeah, they show the people's names, and he's like, he's got an eye patch and he's missing his fingers, and he's all like, Oh, that guy does remember that.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:28

But there's no he got his ass paper shredded.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:34

I love that too. I love when he rips that paper cutter arm and turns into a machete.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:40

Yeah, I and I also love how quickly he is to that, where he's just like two seconds into the fight, he's like, I need to rip this machete off this paper cutter and kill this teacher. Like it takes him no time. He makes the choice.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:51

That's and that's why you seek. That's why you seek. That and then he makes that's why he gets Fonkey Jensen at the end of the movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:00

The aliens have a healing factor, you see. Except except I think not everybody came back to life. We don't see the older teacher who uh the alien couldn't take to. I don't know if he comes back. Oh.

SPEAKER_02 1:06:12

Speaking of which, we did skip over one person in this movie who's very important, and that's Piper Lori. Oh yeah. Piper Lori is a three-time fucking Oscar nominated actress, and she's in this fucking movie. Well, she's bringing the carry vibes, right? Yeah, yeah. She looks like Debbie Reynolds. And I at first I thought it was Debbie Reynolds, but it's Piper Lori. And I was like, holy shit, what the fuck is she doing? Piper Lori is just a hustler, for fuck's sake. I mean like a real one. The movie. Yeah. The prequel to the color of mine. With Paul Moon. Well, I mean, with Paul Newman. Apparently she took, I read she took 15 years off. She basically got annoyed with Hollywood because they kept putting her in like rom-coms and all these fluffy movies, and she's like, fuck it. And she went to New York City and just started acting, and then when the Vietnam War kicked off, she took a 15-year break from her career to be an anti-war activist and a supporter of the veterans and all that stuff. And then came back to acting later, which I thought's pretty pretty neat. You don't see people just put their careers normally on hold and then come back to them in the Hollywood era era.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:14

That's true. My only other note on this one was uh did Kevin Williamson and Robert Rodriguez do anything else together? Yes. Robert Rodriguez directed the beginning of Scream 2. Specifically the whole Jada Pinkus Smith theater thing and the fake. I think he might have just done the whole theater thing. I think he might have just done the stab movie that was on the screen. Okay, didn't you go back?

SPEAKER_05 1:07:40

That would make sense if he did stab. But then I hope that he did uh the school scenes too that we see later in the movie. Because that is one of my favorite things. I think it's in the first scream where she says she'll be played by Tori Spelling. Oh, yeah. And then in Scream 2, in Stab, she's played by Tori Spelling. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:00

So yeah, he did that part. Yeah, the stab parts. That's pretty good. I've always got a kick out of that. Because I remember seeing the first one and like it was a good joke, and then you go see the second one, it's like, oh shit, they really did put Tori Spelling as Sydney. So gotta honor the colour.

SPEAKER_05 1:08:16

She agreed to do the cameo.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:18

Love it.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:19

Love it.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:21

Alright. Anything else on the other one?

SPEAKER_02 1:08:24

No, I'm I I I was surprised at how much I actually enjoyed this one. I it when it first came, I was like, oh fuck, I remember this, but it'd been a while. And it and it felt kind of campy to me, but but it but it really draws you in and grabs you with that camp. It's fun. You know, it's yeah, and it it to me it's like it's uh it did a bit of a few of the things that I wish Barbarella would have done, which is kind of give me just a little bit more to work with story-wise and things so I could really kind of you know jump off. They're two very different movies for sure, but um I'd give this the easy uh three stars.

SPEAKER_01 1:08:59

You're doing the three also. I'm doing three stars. It's the exact same thing you gave Barbarella, so what's the scale? Well, usually we go one through five, and half the time Cliff's giving the movie a four, and I'm giving it a one, or the other way around, but this week we kind of met in the middle. It's kind of weird.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:15

Yeah. Yeah, I I I yeah, I mean, I don't think it's not one I'm gonna put on all the time. You know, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna re-watch it a lot, but if it comes on, I'll be like, shit, I can watch this. This is a good one.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:25

Yeah, I might throw this in a every couple year rotation now. I've been away from it for maybe 15 years or so, so it was it was nice.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:32

I do I do I do love that fucking cast, you know, uh quite a bit. I love that cast. And Rodriguez is a it's a great director.

SPEAKER_05 1:09:40

And they're all doing great. I think the one of the best parts too is when Elijah Wood's got to be high in the test scene, and he's like, he's like, showdown. That is the most drunk guy or high guy thing to do, to sort of go into yourself and go, whoa, show down. Like showdown. And really entertaining yourself that way is so believable. I call it because everyone else is just laughing.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:01

I call this a Nexus movie, right? It's like a it's it's a m it's a movie where all these stars' careers kind of all their ley lines all cross each other, and you get this great nexus of just a ton of really great stars that go on to do other stuff.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:14

Hartnett and Wood are in Sin City together, too. Not in a scene together, but they're more Rodriguez, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:20

Yeah, you get more Rodriguez, you know. Fantastic.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:23

But are they three friends? One, two, or three, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:26

Well, and that's this is I think part of why uh I this is the area of Rodriguez's career I really am not a huge fan of. I don't like the Spy Kids movies. Uh yeah, they're fine, I but there's not stuff they're just like they don't like. I don't watch them, but they're not really rewatchable. And this comes right before that and just feels like he's uh this is before he really hits his stride with some of this stuff later on that he does, which is really some of his best work.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:50

What about the misbehaviors and uh misbehaviors in four rooms?

SPEAKER_01 1:10:54

Oh yeah, slightly before this, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:10:56

I like before my kids too, but I think it sets the it does for my kids.

SPEAKER_02 1:11:01

Yeah, four rooms is four rooms was great. Yeah, I I enjoyed it. Uh but it to me that's a more adult version of Spy Kids. Like it's I I get you with the tone and shit, but it's a it's that that were really Tim Roth's through line all the way through that whole movie is fantastic. Just watching him in these vignettes where he has these crazy months of fancy guys.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:21

I even like Shark Boy and Lava Girl to an extent. So there's always something fun in a Robert Rodriguez movie. I'm gonna have to make you watch Shorts at some point, but then that means I gotta watch it again. The movie about book uh living boogers or something. I remember I think his kids wrote that one. Robert Rodriguez Shorts. Yeah, that's a strange one. But anyways, Rob, what do you give this movie?

SPEAKER_05 1:11:44

I'm gonna give it a four and a half out of five. Uh, I only I don't think it really stumbles anywhere. There's a couple of moments where that CGI creaks. Yes, the characters are archetypical, um, but I think that helps us kind of pick one of the six to relate to immediately. I think everyone who sits in this movie finds one of the six to latch on to um and and follow throughout throughout it. Great cast, I think great soundtrack. Uh so to me, this is a top 90s movie. If you're asking me about like a 90s sci-fi movie, this 90s teenage kind of movie, this 90s thriller, this. Um it it can kind of do all of it. It can be funny, it can be scary, it can be a little sexy, um uh you know, it's it's it's the whole package. I don't think it really I don't think it really stammers anywhere other than the fact that at the end of the day, what's it about? Aliens and high school kids. So it kind of misses out on having a greater theme, other than I don't know, be courageous and you'll you'll get the hot girl eventually.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:49

Which is a good theme. Yeah, but it does it does a good job of grabbing you and dragging you. Like, you know, like don't worry, like you said, don't worry so much about story. I'm just gonna drag you along and you you know that type of thing. Um it does a good job of that.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:05

What did Marty give it? I gave it a three. Yeah. You guys both met on three. Don't be mad. It sounded like you disliked the first one and liked the second, but they're both three. I like both.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:18

Yeah. Uh I I yeah, I you're you're pretty right. I mean, I I like I said, I was gonna give it a good three and a bad three.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:26

I was gonna give it a big one. I need the Lionel Hutz meme. The Lionel Hutz meme. There's three, and then there's three.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:34

Don't hold me to my own rating system. Don't do that.

SPEAKER_05 1:13:36

Oh, without precedent. I'm citing precedent from within this own episode.

SPEAKER_02 1:13:44

Um, yeah, no, I I think I'll do Barbarella 3. Yeah, I get Barbarella 3. I would normally give it two and a half, but I I agree after watching it this last time that like it's undeniable in its art direction, it's set direction, it's costume design. It's absolute wild creativity is fucking amazing. It just, you know, for me it fails on like storytelling and move, you know, it it it the pacing is pretty rough at times, that type of thing. So for me, it's a rough watch for those reasons.

SPEAKER_05 1:14:14

I think that's because you're evil. You've got evil in your heart, like the people of Sogo.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:19

Well, I mean, I did identify with them quite a bit.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:24

It's the French aesthetic that throws him off, you know.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:27

Yeah, I do have a problem with the French. I do, it's true.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:32

I keep one of these days I'll find a French movie that he likes, but he already told me if I give him Jean Renault or one of those, you know. Yeah. Too much high tension?

SPEAKER_02 1:14:41

High tension. I've I think I've seen that a long time ago.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:45

It'd be a good one to make him watch. I don't know if he's seen that one.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:48

So I don't think I saw that one. But like I've seen some of the, you know, some of the great you know, I've seen some Godard and some Truffaut and and stuff. It yeah, I I recognize it for art, but it it doesn't move me. I don't it doesn't do what it doesn't hit with me.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:02

Jean Roland has a lot of very interesting French films, but uh they're of a sort of a different tenor, I'd say.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:09

Uh we watched uh Mon Uncle by Tati, and um he really got a lot out of it, and for me it just didn't, it wasn't my type of thing. It's like, I don't know, this isn't my type of thing. It's like it's like watching a French Jerry Lewis, and I'm not a big Jerry Lewis fan.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:24

And yet I made Cliff watch Texas Chainsaw Massacre, and originally he was like, oh god, and the next week he came back like that was really fucking good. So you never know.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:33

I made him watch it in French and told him it was a French movie, and he was like, Well, I really liked it.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:40

Yeah, that's it. I didn't know Tobet Hooper was French. This is fucking awesome!

SPEAKER_05 1:15:45

Exactly. That would like that would work exactly. Yeah, we found a French movie that you like.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:53

That's hilarious.

SPEAKER_05 1:15:54

Here it is. The Ten Commandments. The Commandments Ledis.

SPEAKER_02 1:15:58

There are a few out there. Um, in particular, um Léon the Professional Lefem Nikita is another great movie, but that's French. Um I I like some of the mid-90s French stuff quite a bit. You like that action stuff, yeah. I I do. I think I think it works pretty well, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:16

See, I like all the uh weird 70s uh kind of uh uh it's not really Giallo because it's French, you know? Um, but uh but they're kind of murder mysteries and they've uh the French have the same philosophy as the Italians, or it's like put tits in it. Yeah, yeah. What are we gonna do?

SPEAKER_02 1:16:41

Weirdly, I like the Italian aesthetic, I think, a little more than the French. Um, at least from what I've from from what I've seen, you know. I I'm I'm I will not say I am a full you know uh cenophile on French and Italian cinema, but from what I've seen, I kind of tend to lean toward an aesthetic a bit more.

SPEAKER_05 1:16:57

Yeah, well the Italians definitely tend to go more gonzo weird in their own.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:00

And I think that's what yeah, I think that's what gets me is the gonzo weird stuff.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:05

We stayed on topic today, honestly.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:06

Yeah, we we didn't wonder at all. No, not at all. We appreciate you coming on, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:12

Anytime. Anytime.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:13

It was uh it was a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:15

You're not gonna have the rest of those guys on here, are you? No. Oh, good. Those scumbags.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:21

No, I don't like we don't. You were literally our first and only pick from that show.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:26

Fantastic.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:26

That's what I like to hear. Rob Maynard, it's it's obvious, it's an obvious choice. Why even bother talking about it? Just get Robin. Right.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:34

Terrific. All right, well, put that on a shirt.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:38

We may uh we may bring you on again. Who knows? But uh, do you have do you have anything you want to plug while you're here? Anything you want to do.

SPEAKER_05 1:17:43

Well, I already plugged Reels of Justice, so you know everyone can check out Reels of Justice. Um, we also have a uh uh sort of YouTube project that we do called Trailer Trashed. Oh yeah uh that's apostrophe d trashed, like uh and um uh it's kind of a riffing show. We watch trailers uh and we get trashed and we talk about what we hated about the trailer, and it's usually about what we hated. We usually tend to pick bad trailers when they're good trailers, we don't tend to do them. Um so uh and it's usually about how trailers ruin movies, you know, nine times out of ten. We try to a lot of times we try to guess what the how the movie will go based on the trailer.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:23

Oh, that got that got bad in the 90s, where it was just like here's all the beats of the movie coming. I think it still happens. It it is that I feel like they paired it back a bit because like in the 90s, every now and then you could go, like, well, I can tell you the whole movie. I don't need to see it. I can tell I can literally tell you the end of the second act, how the third act goes, who the killer is, all from the trailer, you know. Yeah, it is yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:18:46

I think I think the what one of the worst ones I saw recently was Abigail. Oh great movie, but the trailer, if you've seen the trailer, the first act of the movie is worthless. Because the first act of the movie, they're trying to make you go, Oh, what is it? What is it? And it's like, no, I saw the trail the trailer dropped us into act two, guys, you know. And it's like it and it's like 40 minutes long of them doing it, trying to like create red herrings and lead you astray. And it's like, no, guys, I know what it is, and and I've even seen her do all the cool stuff already in the trailer. So uh, you know, let's get to it. The the trailer succeeded in make showing how cool the movie was. I just wish that it was the movie that had gotten me to realize that. So talk about a movie that I would have walked out going great, but trailer completely botched it.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:37

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I I've I've seen it. I still like the movie, but I agree. It's like I would have liked the movie, it would have had a hell of a lot more impact. I would have been like, oh, that's a great turn. But you ruined it with the fucking trailer.

SPEAKER_05 1:19:49

Yeah, it would have been like one of my movies of the year with it, you know. It probably would have fallen.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:54

Yeah, it's it's like I was just gonna say, it's like this, it's like if you went to the sixth sense and you were like, you know, oh, by the way, he's ghost.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:02

My friend did figure out the sixth cents in the theater. And really it did ruin it to it, wasn't to me, it was to his to his brother that he apparently he he guessed it and ruined it to him.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:12

He's like, Yeah, you should probably keep that to yourself. You know, maybe after. I knew that the whole time.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:17

You know, you don't know that you're right. I do it all the time when I watch movies. I'll lean over and be like, This is what I think it is, and you don't know what you're right. You kind of hope you're not. But if you are right, you want to put your flag in the rock ground now and go, you see, I called it, bastards.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:32

Yeah, I see your point. All right, anything else?

SPEAKER_05 1:20:39

No, I think I've done enough damage.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:41

I think you have two. Now get out of here. But come back, but come back and see us again.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:46

Oh, you mean later? Oh, got it. Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:50

Rob, thank you so much.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:51

We appreciate you.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:52

Thank you. Later. You don't have a sign-off, you don't have a, you know, a Pondo Pondo.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:01

Oh yeah, we're supposed to movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:04

We have a shit called Pondo.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:06

We're supposed to say that line from one of the movies, right? Wasn't it?

SPEAKER_03 1:21:08

Oh, that's right. Yeah, that is right.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:10

Thank God I'm here.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:12

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 1:21:12

I need to uh what is what is my favorite line from Barbara? It's uh it's I need to adjust my tongue box.

SPEAKER_05 1:21:19

Nope, no. The line should be uh right when they're over Jon Stewart's dead body goes, uh isn't the moment that someone says we need to get the fuck out of here? And so it goes, let's get the fuck out of here.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:28

Let's get the fuck out of here.

SPEAKER_01 1:21:33

Yep. All right. Let's get the fuck out of here. Let's get the fuck out of here. Later, I'm not sure.