Making Pondo with Drew Kallen-Keck

 In this episode we talk with Drew Kallen-Keck. Drew played Tony in Revenge of Zoe and The Love Song of William H. Shaw.

Justice League

Isle of Games

Roll Camera game

The Music Man trailer

Singin in the Rain trailer

Greatest Man Sandwich - Gene Kelly

Weird trailer

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Welcome to season two of Making Pondo and Talking Pondo. Talking Pondo is a podcast where Cliff and Marty give each other a film to watch and talk about them in detail. Some episodes will include a special guest. Making Pondo is a podcast where Cliff and Marty talk to people they have worked with and discuss their experiences on set.

SPEAKER_00 0:22

Today on Making Pondo, we talk with Drew Kalen Keck, who played Tony in Revenge of Zoe and the Love Song of William H. Shaw.

SPEAKER_01 0:33

Alright, Marty, we're back.

SPEAKER_00 0:34

Hello.

SPEAKER_01 0:37

We are back. We are. So back on Making Pondo, episode Who Knows What from When Knows Where.

SPEAKER_00 0:45

Yeah. I have no I can't keep track. Yeah. The NRV ones are hard to keep track of.

SPEAKER_01 0:53

Yeah, because we just like to we just like to drop them in randomly. Oh, I see. Wherever you feel like it. Yeah. We like to support we like to keep our audience guessing.

SPEAKER_02 1:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:04

Why spell it out? Wow. We haven't done this format in a bit. It's been a few months since uh we we've had guests on the show and doing the Yeah, we've we've spent the last three or four months just rambling about movies to ourselves.

SPEAKER_02 1:19

Oh well I I can talk about movies for hours, so you know it's gonna be good. That's good.

SPEAKER_00 1:26

Oh so who do we have with us today, Marty? Our guest today is uh do you do the full hyphened last name?

SPEAKER_02 1:37

Drew Kalen Keck, yes. Very important for. I mean, I suppose if I were doing a lot more stuff, I might just go back to Kalen, but you know, right now. Cool. I I got married for a reason. I like to support that. We we hyphenated for a reason.

SPEAKER_01 1:55

So Drew is in uh two of our movies. Same character. Yeah, good enough to play the same character Tony twice in our movies. Uh right, uh he played in Revenge of Zoe in Love Song. And uh he's he's a great talent. He's a he's a really, really friendly guy, really, really got great comic timing, and we were really lucky to get him.

SPEAKER_02 2:15

So well, you know, you were shooting in my store, it wasn't like I was going anywhere.

SPEAKER_01 2:22

Well, some that's sometimes that's how things happen. You're like, hey, we arrived at this store and that guy's really funny, and let's put him in the mood. Yeah, let's let's do that.

SPEAKER_02 2:28

Let's do that. Although my character apparently got a demotion in the meantime. He was running the show store in the first one what I was in, and then running it into the ground, unfortunately. Yeah, apparently. Uh being an asshole about not giving you not giving people the uh issue that they needed, right? And then I got to do a war movie bit in the other one. That was fun. That was good. Hanging out, hanging out in the the small closet trying to talk down my yeah.

SPEAKER_01 3:01

That was a tight shoot. I remember I remember I'm standing behind the cameraman and thinking, maybe I should get out of here and just let this thing shoot, but I really want to see, you know, I want to see the frame as it's being shot.

SPEAKER_02 3:13

Well, and we're shooting right as the pandemic starts up, right?

SPEAKER_03 3:16

Mm-hmm.

unknown 3:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:17

It was right right around there. We had just moved the store to that location.

SPEAKER_03 3:23

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_02 3:24

And then right after you guys finished filming, we had to go into lockdown, basically. So that was exciting times for all of us. Yeah. We uh actually hit a week and a half roofing a house. So there was that.

SPEAKER_01 3:36

Anyway. We actually had to shut production down. We didn't finish shooting. Um we we had about two or three days left, and so we had to wait and shoot them later.

SPEAKER_00 3:47

I remember you you were in the process of uh cording off where the gaming and the store could be held already.

SPEAKER_02 3:56

Yeah, we were trying to figure out where everything was gonna fit and all that.

SPEAKER_00 3:59

Wow, I forgot about that.

SPEAKER_02 4:01

Yeah. Are you still at that same location? Yeah. Yeah, things are doing pretty well over there. So bakery's still open?

SPEAKER_03 4:09

I was gonna say is the bakery still there.

SPEAKER_02 4:11

The bakery is indeed. They switched owners, but it's a new new owners, but same stuff. And uh bakery's still open. There's a couple of new there's a new music stop there. Guitars and stuff like that. Pretty cool. Tortilla Place, people like the tortilla place. Uh yeah. But no, yeah, we're doing pretty good as far as the store goes. Good. So what have you guys been up to? I haven't talked to you in a while. I'm sure everybody else knows, though, so you don't need to tell me.

SPEAKER_00 4:42

Tell me all right. Tell them, Marty. Tell them about everything we've been doing. Well, we we finally got that film finished after you know four years and now uh sending it through some film festivals where it's actually been getting some notice, and people really seem to like this one. They like the last one, but they really seem to enjoy Love Song of William H. Saw. So hopefully we'll be in a place where a lot more people can see it pretty soon.

SPEAKER_01 5:10

So yeah. Yeah, Bradford took um best of the festival actor at uh for for his role in that. We were we were super proud of that. Like I I couldn't wait to rush up to the stage to pick that up because I was just like that's you know, he really deserved it.

SPEAKER_02 5:26

It's good to be recognized by uh by fans and uh people that know you. Yep.

SPEAKER_00 5:33

Yep. And you know, we're trying to get some new projects going, and then beyond that, just you know, can doing our normal day jobs and getting by still. And I think I have some one of your empty comic book boxes from four years ago, like short box.

SPEAKER_02 5:49

I don't I don't really need it. I have plenty, thank you. But uh yeah, my uh my comic book collection is out in our library that we built out of the half garage behind our house. I have to go back there and organize at some point. So the last several years I was collecting actual physical comics. I just sort of shoved everything in short boxes and didn't you know organize anything. So I've been there. Yeah. And I need to organize so then I can catalog and then we'll be good. So but my library, uh, just to tell everybody how much a geek I am, has a big section. I got like 90 boxes of short boxes of comics, and then the rest of the library is mostly books. Nine zero? I have a lot. Yes, I have a lot. Uh mostly books.

SPEAKER_01 6:36

What's the average number of comics in a short box in a box?

SPEAKER_02 6:39

God, I'm not sure. 100, 200, something like that? There's a lot.

unknown 6:44

Wow.

SPEAKER_02 6:44

150 maybe. I have a lot of comics. Uh I to be fair, I got many of them when I was in college, uh, and I got them relatively cheap because I I would just go through their quarter bins and find runs of things that looked interesting but weren't exactly the most. So I have like almost the entire, I think I have actually their entire New Universe series from Marvel, which was some weird offshoot thing they did in the 80s.

SPEAKER_03 7:12

I remember those.

SPEAKER_02 7:13

It was a whole separate separate thing. And I've got some lots of indie stuff like Horus the Bear, but I really liked some other ones. Um the the And then I have like a lot of Marvel, because I was big into Marvel. X-Men. I have in one form or another every X-Men story ever written. Jesus. Either, either through collections or individual comics or digital. Um I think I've got everything. I mean, it's hard to tell. There's a lot of stuff out there. Yeah, there's a lot of content. I have I have a lot of it. Um and then my proudest thing I have is the entire run of Keith Giffen and JM Dia Mateus' uh Justice League from the 80s, which is that's the the funny Justice League. Um with uh Guy Gardner and Blue Beetle and Gooster Gold doing their ridiculous things. And wow. Jam Dia Mateus has got really good art as far as facial expressions and stuff. It's really well done. If you haven't ever read that series, um that's uh I don't think I have.

SPEAKER_01 8:20

I that's DC, right?

SPEAKER_02 8:21

I wasn't much of a yeah, it was after Crisis, and they were kind of they were kind of doing their own stuff with Superman. Batman's in it a little bit, Superman's not, Wonder Woman's not. So it's like all these sort of second-tier heroes, and they kind of treated it like half like it was a business. So there's a lot of like jokes about trying to set up the you know, set up their headquarters and making sure everybody's taken care of and is anybody getting paid, you know, stuff like that. And then Booster Gold and Blue Beetle became this comedy duo where they'd run off and like start a casino and weirdness happens and all sorts of fun stuff, and it was it was really good. And they'd mix some serious stuff in there along with the goofiness, but it was uh it was almost like it's a sitcom with superheroes in it. It's interesting. It's quite good. Yeah, it's a fun, it was a fun run. Um, so so yeah, there's certain runs and certain characters that I really got into. So I got those, I got comics, I got a bunch of T a bunch of movies, DVDs, and then a bunch of TV shows that I have on DVD. Um I keep DVDs and Blu-rays in this era of streaming because as we have found in the last several years, you never know when that thing you like is not gonna be on streaming anymore. Truth.

SPEAKER_01 9:37

Well, and the problem is that a lot of the things that you like on streaming aren't available on hard media, physical media.

SPEAKER_02 9:42

Well, that is true.

SPEAKER_01 9:43

That is frustrating as hell.

SPEAKER_02 9:45

That is the other issue. And then also, um, as I with I got the you know, the Escape from New York DVD, because I thought I'd had it, but apparently I didn't, so I ordered it. Um, you know, I like having like commentaries and behind the scenes videos and stuff like that, and they don't store that stuff on streaming most of the time. Um a lot of what I learned about directing movies and stuff came from listening to commentaries, so watching the film and listening to the director talk about how he did what he did and you know the choices that they made. And so I find that part of the process uh fascinating. Although I have to say, with any John Carpenter, Kurt Russell commentary, it will e devolve eventually into the two of them talking about what's going on with their family right now that they hadn't seen each other in three or four years, and and they're like, oh well, we probably should talk about the movie again. Yeah, so it's it's a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_01 10:39

That's never that's never terrible. You know, you get some interesting entites into people, right?

SPEAKER_02 10:43

No, it's it's a lot of fun. Some, you know, some commentaries are better than others. Um I remember specifically the diehard movies. The John McTiernan one was really good uh for diehard one and three. Uh die was kind of decent, but there was a lot of interesting background on you know what they had to do to get that movie filled. There's a lot of driving around New England trying to find an airport with snow in it. Apparently that that winter they had a lot of uh unusual heat wave going on, and you know when you're supposed to be shooting a a Christmas movie uh action movie at an airport that's supposed to be full of snow, trying to track it down is apparently trying to tricky. But that's interesting.

SPEAKER_01 11:29

Yeah, you would think that wouldn't be that hard. It's winter. The northeast, find a find an airport. You'd think so. I mean I I flew out of Newark into the northeast, and it was like we had to we had to sit under a fucking it looked like a like a dryer, like a half of a dryer with just heat lamps on it to melt the ice off the wings and stuff like that. Yeah, yeah, you know.

SPEAKER_02 11:49

I don't know. I'm from Montana. We have to deal with that some, but I've lived here long enough that I haven't had to deal with the cold that much.

SPEAKER_01 11:57

Do you do you prefer the cold or the heat?

SPEAKER_02 11:59

Uh depends on what's the right thing.

SPEAKER_01 12:01

You're in extreme heat and extreme cold. I mean, you're you're at two ends of the spectrum from Montana.

SPEAKER_02 12:06

Well, Montana, where I lived in the northeastern part, uh it's the lowlands, so comparatively. I said flat, and then we went back and I'm like, I guess this isn't as flat as I remember it being. It's flat compared to the other end of the state, which is you know, the Rocky Mountains. But as my wife pointed out, this is uh this is rolling hills. This is not flat like Arizona is flat.

SPEAKER_01 12:30

It's like Kansas, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 12:31

Plus, plus when I was growing up, we were apparently going through a drought, so all I remember is everything was brown, and then we get up there and everything's like green and mice. I'm like, that's just not the way it was when I was younger. Um but anyway, so northeastern Montana, it gets to be, you know, 90 to 100 degrees, and then we're dealing with like 70 to 80 percent humidity because we're next to a river and there are mosquitoes the size of your arm, you know. So uh I prefer 115 in dry heat over that, you know, where I can sit in a nice cool house in front of a swamp cooler, even and that works fine. And I don't have to feel like I have to take four showers a day just to feel like I'm not sticky. So, you know. And it's snow is nice. Uh it's nice to visit. I don't know if I want to live in it anymore. So there's that. Plus, my wife doesn't want to live in it, so that ain't gonna happen. So yeah. So here I stay in Arizona.

SPEAKER_01 13:29

But so uh so tell us how you started working with us. Tell the tell us the story, as it were. I know you meant it from a perspective.

SPEAKER_02 13:40

Exactly where we started on that because you guys, I think you guys needed to you needed a store.

SPEAKER_00 13:47

Right, and I think Eric knew you already.

SPEAKER_02 13:49

Yeah, Eric knew me from working with uh Don and you know doing all that, doing all the Bob and Angus stuff. It was the puppet show we did for uh the uh Mayfair Games uh for several years. Um so Eric had been involved in that. So I'd known Eric for a while. And then I think you guys needed the space, right? I think that's what it was. Yep. And I can't remember if you just cast did I audition? I can't even remember now. If I auditioned or you guys just cast me or something, or you just needed somebody to do the role? Like the one scene.

SPEAKER_01 14:24

I think we did a I think it was a blind casting. We were just where Eric was just like, he's he's an actor, he can do it. He did Bob and Angus, it's fine. Yeah, like, okay, we trust you. And then you were you were dead on the money, and it was like, oh, thank God.

SPEAKER_02 14:38

Thank God. Yeah, it's always a bit tricky when you're like, yeah, I've I've had to do that before. Yeah, who is this person? I don't know. Yeah. I had to do a lot of that from a church that I was going to for a while. Not my new church, but I was doing videos for them, and so it's just grab people from the congregation and go, uh, I think they can do this. And sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes you have to tape the script underneath the camera so that they can do their lines and not, you know. Uh, but no, I think that was that was pretty much you guys needed to. Of course, my store is a game store and not a comic book store, and it didn't have a lot of comic books in it, so I'm not technically sure. I'm like, I could bring I could have brought more comics, guys, and piled some up on the tables, made it look a little more like an actual comic book store.

SPEAKER_01 15:28

But yeah, see, we you know we didn't we didn't know to ask for that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:34

We were like, well, okay, he's we're mentioned we have 90 boxes of short comics or short boxes of comics. I could have brought plenty. Um no, that's fine.

SPEAKER_01 15:43

Um but yeah, and at least this this the second one we were a little bit crazier, so we I think you guys brought some comics, so we actually and like set up some some like boxes to make it look like there was it was a game and comic store, right?

SPEAKER_02 15:58

Because as yeah, as uh as I was I think the first movie, I was like, you know, that game store is not the same thing as a comic book store, right? I feel like we kind we kind of pulled it off.

SPEAKER_01 16:10

You know, it it it it works.

SPEAKER_02 16:12

It's a short enough scene. Yeah. You know, if people are looking at that, then you you got your own problems. Uh problems.

SPEAKER_01 16:19

And then when we go back in the second one, we've we've we've made it comic bookish, you know.

SPEAKER_02 16:24

Yeah. And also it's not exactly the same space. So but it's one of the most recognized. I mean, it's similar enough.

SPEAKER_01 16:32

Um, but yeah, and then we have thousands of people devoted to this. You didn't know? Yes, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:36

You're watching this probably. Yeah. Anyway. Um yeah, so when we did that second movie, right, then um yeah, we were able to work that out right after we moved, so that time that timed out pretty good. I think we were we hadn't quite opened the new space yet. I think this is why we were able to pull that off. Because I think we were in that time, because I don't think we had customers coming in. We were closed still.

SPEAKER_01 17:07

Yeah, we had I think I think we had a couple of days there at the end where we had customers in and stuff, and it was like I I know at the end we were we were bumping bodies with people who were working there and and a few customers. Yeah, and we were I was like, well, let's get this done and get out of here so we don't you know make a big nuisance of ourselves.

SPEAKER_02 17:24

Yeah, you guys were fine. And then you went off to Charlie's anyways, did most of your stuff up there.

SPEAKER_01 17:29

No, we never got to shoot at Charlie's.

SPEAKER_02 17:31

Did you do Charlie's? Oh, I thought you guys saw it, Charlie's.

SPEAKER_01 17:33

No, he he locked the store down and was like, nope, we're done.

SPEAKER_02 17:36

Oh yeah, COVID happened. That's yeah, yeah. COVID happened, right? Yeah, we were a little less less intense at our store about that.

SPEAKER_01 17:44

But yeah, you guys are really good about it, yeah. Yeah. That's one of my favorite. One of my favorite numbers is that that damn bakery, by the way, that just bring circling back to it. Yeah, yeah. Get there early in the morning, grab some, grab some stuff. Well, you're going to.

SPEAKER_02 18:00

There's also one up on uh there because I live on uh Grant and uh Country Club. So there's one up there on uh Prince and uh and uh Campbell. I don't know how you guys were that smell at six, seven in the morning is just like I I have a nausea, so I really can't smell much of anything. So it works out for me. Oh, okay, gotcha. I had tubes I had tubes in my ears when I was a kid. I think it messed with my station tubes. So my nose is always slightly pluggy. So um I don't know if it's the my nose doesn't work or it just the smells can't get through. Interesting. I I can taste stuff just fine, as far as I know, anyways. I mean stuff tastes the way it tastes. So people are always like, I don't know, how do you taste? I'm like, I don't know, stuff just tastes the way it tastes. Maybe if my nose worked better, I'd be like, oh my god, this is so amazing. I mean maybe that's why I like peanut butter so much. I don't know. I'm obsessed with peanut butter. I will eat meeting with peanut butter. Are you really?

unknown 18:59

Yeah, I love peanut butter.

SPEAKER_01 19:01

Uh you leave it you leave a jar open on the counter so you can just walk by and stick your finger on it.

SPEAKER_02 19:05

I like the peanut butter cereal, like any peanut butter cereal, any snacks. I will eat that. The monster peanut butter monster stuff from Target. That's good. Like the trail mix kind of thing.

SPEAKER_03 19:18

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:20

So with the second movie, did you guys did you guys write that part with me in mind? Or did Yes.

SPEAKER_01 19:28

No, that was that was totally for you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 19:31

I appreciate that. Thank you. It was fun. It's nice to be able to do it. Appreciate being uh considered in that uh that genre. So it's like I used to do when I did uh the theater at Conopey Playhouse. I was a lot of theater there. And I I always said I was Ben Affleck from uh Shakespeare and love. What is the play and what is my part? I'll just show up. Tell me what I'm doing.

SPEAKER_01 19:58

You were you were great, man. And and I'll say this, you added a few things. Like you really you were like, hey, what if I what if I do this instead? What if we do you the finger thing was all you?

SPEAKER_02 20:09

Yeah. I can't remember what I think.

SPEAKER_01 20:11

The two fingers pointing at each other, you know, when when you're pointing at Pete and he's pointing at you, and you do the you turn your finger and you run away, that's all you. Yeah, you were like, what if we do this thing? I was like, let's yeah, let's do that. That sounds great.

SPEAKER_02 20:22

It's the it's the Princess Bride bit.

SPEAKER_01 20:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 20:25

That was from that was from Princess Bride, where they're facing off, and then the the six-fingered man turns and then it runs off.

SPEAKER_01 20:32

That's so great. And the movie's full the movie's full of those references anyways. Like when you when you've when you watch the movie, you're like, oh, there oh there's a ghost reference, oh, there's a Princess Bride reference, oh, there's a this reference. It's kind of perfect. So when you came up with it, I was just like, yeah, that's that's gonna work just fine.

SPEAKER_02 20:49

I I do pretty well with that kind of thing. I was auditioning for a thing earlier this week um that's gonna happen in in October, and um they want to do a sort of an improv y thing, but they gave us a couple minutes so they go come up with a scary story. I'm like, well, I don't really do, I'm not great at it's not that I'm not good at come up with stuff, you just gotta give me time. Like I'm not an improv guy. Like I am a let's I'm more of a sketch comedy guy, right? If you if you want to compare it to that, give me some time, let me work through some ideas. Even 10 minutes is good, right? And I'll I'll come up with something. But if you give me like 20 seconds, I'm I'm not gonna have to get nothing. Because my brain is gonna be like, but what if a dog but if you do no, but you could do, and then I you know, and then you want to run it a couple of times in your head and go, okay, well, if I if I phrase it this way or if I if I emphasize this word, it's gonna be funnier. Um I did that a lot for the Bob and Angus stuff is uh Alex uh uh the guy who wrote it, would write it and then he'd send it to me eventually uh because as I try to remind him, uh writing stuff and performing it is two different things.

SPEAKER_01 21:59

Sure.

SPEAKER_02 21:59

Right. Sure. So there are things that look good when written on a page, but when you get up and actually say it, it doesn't work. And it's not necessarily that it's bad. It's just that the written word, there's a certain flow to it. There's a rhythm word.

SPEAKER_03 22:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:15

Yeah, there's a rhythm. And the rhythm is speaking. Yeah, the rhythm is different. And you have to sometimes you have to massage. And sometimes it's as simple as just flipping a two words around.

SPEAKER_03 22:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:24

And making the sentence end a specific way, and that way it sounds funnier. And so I I've always been pretty good at that kind of thing. Um that's always been my issue with like writing stuff, is I I I have a hard time doing the middle part. I'm good at coming up with the ideas and the concepts.

SPEAKER_01 22:44

You're a puncho guy.

SPEAKER_02 22:45

Yeah, and then I'm good at you bring it to me at the end and I can fix it. The writing stuff in between, I'm just bored.

SPEAKER_01 22:51

Yeah, you're a puncho guy.

SPEAKER_02 22:55

Why am I writing this dialogue? Just give me somebody else's dialogue and then I'll fix it. Basically. There. I'm the Carrie Fisher of the group. That's it.

SPEAKER_01 23:09

Oh god, you just stole the reference right out of my friggin' mouth. I was just going to say you're the Carrie Fisher.

SPEAKER_02 23:14

Um yeah, so it's like, you know, with me, like I've got several what I think are pretty good ideas for a movie. I just can't get my butt to actually write the movie, right? Or the series, or whatever it's gonna be. You're talking to two guys who do that. I know. I don't know. Maybe we talk about it. I'm gonna talk about it here. I don't want to throw it out to the world, but we can discuss.

SPEAKER_01 23:34

Yeah, yeah. Put it on the podcast right now. Come on, Drew. It's fine.

SPEAKER_02 23:37

I've got ideas. I've got ideas. I know things, guys.

SPEAKER_01 23:41

Just build the whole world right here for us.

SPEAKER_02 23:43

Do it. Yeah. Do it. Yeah. Yeah, there was some stuff. Like we there was a project that Don and my brother was helping out on that. My brother's a brilliant writer. Um, well, he's a really good story. He just my brother is not ambitious. So he writes when he feels like writing, and then doesn't like do anything with it. It sort of sits there, you know, and I'm like, God, you should need to like put this out, like put it in a magazine or something. Write a script or something. So I I try to get him involved in things when I can. Um because he's good at it. It's just like I said, he's not he's a house husband, so he just does what he does and he's happy. He's just working around the house and doing things and writing when he feels like writing, and I'm like, oh that's fine. Uh but yeah, like I said, that's I I have I've discovered that's part of me, and I could I I do need to work on just sitting down and doing stuff, but my day job tends to take a lot of out of me.

SPEAKER_01 24:45

So yeah, tell us about that. It's one of those things. Yeah, if um is there other than acting, like something that you want to do in the field, other than acting?

SPEAKER_02 24:56

Or if you want to get a good little sort of thing, I've done a lot of I've done a lot of directing stage-wise and uh and film-wise. I I've done a lot of editing. Um I I like kind of like editing because editing is like directing afterwards, but you don't have to be there. You just gotta sit there and take the footage and go, hey, I'm gonna make this fit over here, and that does that. Um I think I'd actually make a pretty good producer as far as that goes, because I am pretty good at trying to keep people on track and you know, seeing the bigger picture and then you know, fitting stuff together. But I haven't officially done that. Um so just film in general. I mean, that's what I went to school for, film and theater. So um, but as I always tell people, uh retail is what you do when you have a film and theater degree.

SPEAKER_00 25:44

Really?

SPEAKER_02 25:46

You know, yeah, um unless you get, you know, yeah, unless you can get a couple of people together and actually get the energy to do it. Um so it's it's it's a uh you know, I'm in my 50s now, so but that's not really that old anymore. I used to think it was old. And then I got here and I'm like, well, I guess not, right? When you're 20, 50 feels like really old. And then you hit 50, you're like, I just started. Like, I haven't done anything yet.

SPEAKER_01 26:18

So we just we just reviewed a movie called Bowfinger, and there's a line in it that says, uh, what does it say when you're uh what's it? When you're 50, they stop calling you, yeah, they don't hire you anymore. Yeah, just I just couldn't help but laugh because I I turned 50 this year and I was like, well, I'm just kind of getting started really, I feel like.

SPEAKER_02 26:36

I mean Clay Eastwood's almost 100, and he's still directing movies, so you know. Yeah, I don't know how he's pulling that off, but I saw a picture of him lately. He's all bearded and hunched over in his chair, but apparently he's doing it. So that's amazing. But yeah, yeah, so you know, I I I like the directing.

SPEAKER_01 26:57

Um which one if you if you had your drrothers like producing, directing, which one would you think would you would you would directing?

SPEAKER_02 27:05

I think it would depend on what the project is, right? It's something that I thought was interesting. Directing is directing is is kind of uh where I always wanted to be, right? Um editing is what I did because other I had other people that were really into being directing, but nobody wants to sit down and actually do the editing. Um so when we did when they were doing I we did a couple of these, when they were doing the 48-hour film contests here in town, I I participated in a couple of those writing and the acting and stuff, but I was always the one at the end sitting in the back room with my computer and everybody else is hanging out in the living room because editing is kind of a solitary job. You can't really do it with a bunch of people. Um, you and the director, and that's about it, right? Yeah. Um so I'm the one that always ended up doing the editing. That being said, I'm not exactly the flashiest edit editor, right? You know, I'm not like I'm not gonna pull off a Michael Bay kind of edit. That's not my not my style. Um so the comedy, comedy editing, I think it's not too bad. But yeah, directing, I think, is is always what I've wanted to do in the in the larger scheme of things. But producing's kind of that. You know, it's more of a collaborative thing at that point with your with your director, I think. Um because your job is to get the whole thing the whole vision together, right? Yeah, yeah. Um sometimes Yeah, it is. But sometimes you need that person who can see the whole picture and not just they're part of it, right? And the directors, they're kind of similar in that respect. The directors, in my mind, anyways, you guys have had more experience doing physically in larger groups than I have, but the director's job is to be the creative overview guy, right?

SPEAKER_01 28:57

Yeah, but you producers. Yeah, you tend to have these narrow focuses though, right? Like you have these, you know, your camera department, your your costume department, your acting, you know, and so you you can miss that bird's eye view that are.

SPEAKER_02 29:10

The producer's job is to keep an eye on everything. Exactly. And make sure we're all together on the same path, going the same direction, right?

SPEAKER_00 29:17

Yeah, it's like coach and quarterback kind of.

SPEAKER_02 29:20

Yeah, yeah. So and then when I was younger, I was like, oh, the director's the king, and then you'll start looking at things and going, yeah, well, sure, visually and you know, that way, but without a producer, the thing doesn't happen. So yeah, you know, uh the producer has to be a good thing. There's a reason there's a reason producers get to go pick up the best picture awards, so you know. Um, but yeah, I think I could do a pretty good job in the producing role of things. Uh it would depend. I mean, making raising the money, that's a whole separate thing. So yeah. I don't know if I could pull that part off. That's some sort of that's some sort of magical concoction that we have yet to play. There's a very fun game we have at the store called Roll Camera came out last year, and it's uh or two years ago. It's a uh cooperative game where you're making a movie. And the guy who makes the game knows stuff about making movies because there's a lot of events and stuff that happen in the game and cards you can play um during the pitch meeting part of it. Or we're all you have so much time and so much money, and so you're trying to finish your film under under budget within time, and you're trying to get your star rating so the scenes give you star ratings. You want to get to a certain height in order to win the game, or alternatively, dump it all the way down so it's so bad it's good. Like if you have like no stars and win the game that way as well.

SPEAKER_01 30:45

Plan it playing night from Matter Space type deal.

SPEAKER_02 30:47

Yeah, just make it the worst thing ever and people will love it. Um, but it's a really cute game, and I I've been having a lot of fun playing that um as a film guy. Uh so it's different than some of the other trivia type of things. I mean, you know, no information about movies is one thing, but knowing how to actually make movies is a whole different ballgame. No kidding.

unknown 31:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 31:10

But you guys do that. Is there a uh is there like a a dream role for an actor, do you think?

SPEAKER_02 31:18

I don't know. I mean, everybody's got their thing, right? I mean, I I gave up oh when I was younger, I when I had better hair, you know, was thinner. Uh, you know, doing the being the lead actor kind of thing was kind of appealing to me. But then I get older and I I realize the guys who really have fun of the character actor people, right?

SPEAKER_00 31:41

Right.

SPEAKER_02 31:42

The guys where you just see him in the movie go, you know, oh yeah, I know that guy. I don't remember his name, but I've seen him in like everything. Like Steven Tobolowski, which yes, he's a yeah. If you guys haven't listened to his podcast, it's I don't know if you knew that he had a podcast, but um called the Tobolowski Files. It's it's really good. Um, and uh so it's uh it's really he's had a fascinating life and he's been in everything. So the guy that produces the podcast, whenever he introduces him, he always says he played such and such and such and such a movie, and then Stephen will kind of go off on that for a while and whatever he remembered about being in that movie, and then go off on whatever story he's telling about his life and movie making and that kind of thing. So yeah, I mean if I was if I had my druthers and then I might gone to Hollywood, whatever, and not just run off to Arizona because I was a I was a shut-in kid from or a you know a kind of lonely kid from Montana. I wasn't gonna go to California of all places. Oh, you were perfect for Hollywood.

SPEAKER_01 32:42

They would have eaten you alive.

SPEAKER_02 32:44

Oh, they would have eaten me alive, that's true. Um and now I'm just at an age I'm like, I don't know, who wants to go to California? No shit. Too much work, man. Yeah. Um but yeah, I mean that's that's the thing. I think character acting is fun. So being able to come in like I did for you guys and just have some fun being a character and not having the pressure of I gotta carry this movie, right? I just gotta come in and do my job and have some fun and go off to the next job and whatever that is, right?

unknown 33:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 33:12

That's that's why Jen and John and Jen's safe word in the movie is Ned Beatty. You know, we we love we love ourselves some character actors, man.

SPEAKER_02 33:19

We love him. Oh yeah. I like Ned Beatty on uh homicide, the first couple seasons of that.

SPEAKER_01 33:25

He's he's great. Put him in anything, he's great, he's gonna be great. I mean, that's that's what that's what's so great. And I I love uh one of my favorite things is a movie that has nothing but like maybe one Buckaroo Bonza is a perfect example. Yeah, one big star and a bunch of great character actors surrounding it.

SPEAKER_02 33:41

And even that Peter Weller wasn't a big star at that point. I mean, true, true, but you know, a lead, a lead, and then he turned out to be an eccentric weirdo and has a what a PhD in Italian art or something like that.

SPEAKER_00 33:56

You must call him Dr. Peter Weller. Dr.

SPEAKER_02 33:58

Peter Weller. Yes. Dr. Dr. Peter Weller. He's an interesting guy. But yeah, that movie had a lot of great character people in it. Oh Escape from New York with Bill.

SPEAKER_01 34:10

Yeah, Escape from New York, you've got Borgnine, Isaac Hayes, you've got Tom Atkins, you've got Lee Van Cleef.

SPEAKER_02 34:16

Lee Van Cleef with that earring? Yes. Let's talk about that. Yes, we would. That's a choice. Anyway, uh, but yeah, yeah. So being a character actor, I think, is is I think one of the things that I would love to do more of. Just come in and do the do the part. Uh, you know, if we were doing like a web series or something, you know, being the goofy, the fun guy, you know. Eric and I had talked about some ideas that we had had for doing some sort of detective kind of series where he's like the straight-laced one and I'm kind of the the goofy guy with the Hawaiian shirts, you know, whatever. Um we never really got too far on it, but that was that was something we discussed. Um yeah. But yeah, character actor.

SPEAKER_01 35:03

I think I know it's not a specific role, but no, I I I think it's I I love it because it's it's kind of fits, like I said, you fit into any movie you want to fit in, you know.

SPEAKER_02 35:15

Yeah, I've got an interesting look. And it doesn't fit everything, and it's not like a hero look, really. Despite when I was younger, I thought it was. Um and I've got an interesting style acting-wise. Yeah, I mean I can do I can do kind of I don't know. There's a whole thing with the people at the theater once.

SPEAKER_01 35:40

You want drama? I can do drama.

SPEAKER_02 35:42

It's not so much that well I was I did play bottom in Midsummer Night's Dream, and that was pretty much just typecasting for me. Yeah, I'll do that. Every rehearsal of somebody's missing, yeah, I'll do that. Fine. There's a it doesn't matter, male, female character, you need me to step in and do it for this episode with this uh whatever, I'll do it.

unknown 35:59

Fine.

SPEAKER_02 36:00

I just like being I just like reading lines and you know making people have fun, right? That's where I'm at.

SPEAKER_01 36:12

Marty, you got questions? Uh let's see here.

SPEAKER_00 36:15

So I I I know you run the the uh game store, but uh yeah, what other kind of secondary career interests that are like uh creative occupy your time or what would be um I mean I I uh this is you know kind of tied to the game store.

SPEAKER_02 36:38

And I haven't done a lot of it lately, but you know, painting painting miniatures. I used to do the model model cars and stuff when our and planes and stuff when I was younger. I just haven't done a whole lot of that uh lately. Um beyond as far as stuff that I've done, I mean really I be after college I moved down to Arizona and then I just sort of worked at started working at the game store up at the mall in in Paradise Valley and kind of didn't look back. So I've been doing this job for about 30 years, one way or the other. Um and doing a lot of you know acting stuff on the side. I did a lot of stuff in Phoenix before I moved down here. Um and so yeah, I mean I kind of turned into a career without really trying, uh, mostly because I get comfortable and then I don't want to go anywhere. I like what I'm doing, it's you know. Uh I was forced to try something new when the store I was running at at Park Place Mall closed down, and it wasn't really a new new thing. We were basically just starting a new store. So it was just taking the concept and then what I learned over the years running that store and trying to do better um with what we did at uh Isle of Games. So and I think it's done pretty well.

SPEAKER_00 37:59

So was it was it because you had a a large interest in role-playing games or did a lot of that yourself?

SPEAKER_02 38:05

Or you know, the strange thing is I I did some. I had a friend who was he had a lot of games and stuff. He he had more money than we did, so you know, he had a Nintendo good. That was a big thing. Right. Um but he had a lot of the some games that uh they're still around Kings and things and Access and Allies, he had a you know, that and the Latin series.

SPEAKER_01 38:32

It takes up forever to play, but it's it can, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:34

We'd never actually finish. We'd be on the say we'd we'd write down where everything went and then put it in the box, like we're gonna come back. We never do. You start over every time you do it. But he had he had the three of the four Game Master series games, that one and Samurai Swords, which was Shogun or Samurai Swords, depending what you talk about. Fortress America, so those were big. And they had some role-playing stuff. We never really actually did the role-playing, it was mostly we made characters, and then you know, never actually did the role-playing part. Same with Battletech. He had some battletech books, so we'd make mechs, but we never actually played the game.

SPEAKER_01 39:07

Some of the guys did that so much. Yeah, Shadowrun was I did I made so many Shadowrun characters and couldn't find anybody to play with. I made so many battle tech characters, battle tech characters couldn't find anybody to play with.

SPEAKER_02 39:19

And then, you know, when I went to college and stuff, I you know, I was into the movies and stuff, but I really wasn't too much into the games. And I kind of got more into the games when I moved down to Phoenix, and I was just looking for work, and and um Game Days was hiring, and it just seemed interesting. And I actually worked two places in the mall. I worked Game Days part-time and I worked Suncoast uh part-time, which was of course more my bailiwick because I was a film guy. Get that sweet discount. Yeah. As I was talking to somebody today about it, I was at Suncoast when DVDs first came out. So I was there that first Christmas when we had the double-sided rack at the front of the store with the DVDs in it. That was a big deal. And then I, of course, being the film geek that I was, we had a whole section of uh videotapes that were like widescreen videotapes. And so I had the little placard with my name on it one side, and the other side was a little thing that had, you know, explanation of why why widescreen is better, basically. They show the pan and scan shot, and then they show the widescreen shot to show you that the ends of the, you know, to chop the ends of the picture off. So it's not that they add a bar to the top and the bottom of the screen for widescreen. On pan and scan, they're chopping the ends of the movie off and moving the thing back and forth. And so you're missing half the film that way. Not seeing it as the director intended it to be seen. Shame on you. And so I did that, you know, for the few movies we had that were there was a one section of widescreen videotapes. So I'll always try to. The fact that any any DVDs were full screen uh was horrible. Yeah. Um, so I worked at Suncoast for quite a while and I worked at Osco for a bit in the film, the film developing section, because I was like, oh, it's kind of film related, right? Um and then I then I ended up being manager at Game Days, and so I kind of just never looked back from there. Yeah, that was interesting. I have done a lot of stuff. I remember 9-11, that was an interesting day. We saw the mahjong set that day. It was uh it was uh it was an interesting day to be a person running a store. I would say that much.

SPEAKER_01 41:35

Hi, uh you got a mahjong set? I know the whole thing's happening, but yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:44

So yeah.

SPEAKER_01 41:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:45

Um but yeah, and then I moved down to Tucson because they needed somebody to take over the store down here, and I I just sort of been here ever since. So I did a lot of theater. I did a couple of shows at the gaslight for a while and just as a as a a um a stand-in for people when they needed to take a break or whatever, I'd come and do the show. And then I did uh I did I took a little time off and then I started doing community theater again. And then that's where I met my wife. We we haven't done much community theater in the last couple years because pandemic. And the two theaters we were really working with, they both sort of disappeared. So we just have to. Yeah, yeah. Well, one of them was one of them went away before that, and then the other one that I was working at was gonna be moving anyway, and then I think after they just that was right when the pandemic started, so I think it just never picked up again after that. Gotcha. And then I just haven't, you know, it's been one of those things you're kind of like, ah, it's so nice to actually have my nights free. You know, and you're like, do I really want to get back into rehearsing and all that stuff? Yeah, but then you get up and do it, and you're like, ah, I kind of miss it.

SPEAKER_01 42:53

Yeah, why didn't I do this more? That's right. Yeah, I go through that.

SPEAKER_02 42:58

You go see whatever show, and I'm like, no, I mean I'm one of those weird theater guys that like I like doing theater. I don't necessarily like going to theater. It's like really weird. Like, I don't I don't see a lot of other theater um partially as my own ego issues of I watching somebody on stage going, that's not the way I would have done that. Oh, you sound like Eric. Yeah, yeah. I'm not as bad at that, but I can get that way. Um yeah. Other than that, I like games, you know, that's what I do.

SPEAKER_01 43:32

So what's the what's the best feedback you've ever gotten from a director? I like to I always like to ask this question as a director.

SPEAKER_02 43:39

I haven't had a lot. I mean, uh most of the stuff I was involved with, other than stuff at college, was stuff I'm directing. So, you know, uh I haven't got a lot of feedback directly from directors.

SPEAKER_00 43:52

Uh button's feedback you gave somebody.

SPEAKER_02 43:58

There you go. Let's switch it up. What's the best feedback? Relax. That helps. When I'm doing stuff with the uh when I was doing stuff with the church, all these people hadn't been in front of a camera before. So trying to figure out ways to get them to act more natural and not get so freaked out by that there's something in your face, right? So I I came up with ways like the putting the and I made a joke about it, but putting the the script next to the camera lens, if you put it in the right place, it doesn't look like they're reading it. But they don't feel the pressure to have to memorize stuff. And so that I think for when you're dealing with non-actors, forcing them to memorize a bunch of stuff when they're not used to memorizing things, that adds more pressure onto the performance and they can't get a performance out of it because they're too busy trying to remember what they're doing. And so if you try to make a way somehow for them to not have to like I actually found a really fun app on my on my tablet that was a a pro you know teleprompter. Yeah. And you set you set up, you put the script in there and you set it to run at a certain speed, and it just sits there and you put it close, I guess, you put it in close enough to the because they're not supposed to be looking at the lens anyways. So you put it in the eyeliner where they're supposed to be looking, and if it's close enough, their eyes don't go back and forth, and they just sort of do the performance and they don't feel pressure. Um so that that I think uh I've I've been able to work with some non-actor people and get some decent performances out of them uh with that. But yeah, relax, have fun with it, that's the big thing, right? I mean, in the stuff I did, you know, none of it was I I'd always take it more seriously than it was, but I'm gonna be putting it in front of a church, you know, 500 people in church, and these people are already primed to like pretty much anything I put up there. So, you know, I there were there were times I I had one where I was I was supposed to be doing uh she was doing a sermon on the the Lord's Prayer, right? So like every every line was a different week, and I was doing a little video every week of this guy and God. You didn't see God, you just saw him from the neck down, and my friend John was playing God, and he'd always have like cool geek shirts and stuff like that, Superman shirt and things like that. So God was kind of a geeky guy, and he's just this guy and God. And so the give us, I think it was this give us this day or day or this daily bread or something like that. And I had a shot where my friend Enam was playing the guy, and he's on the toilet and he's out of toilet paper, and God hands him a toilet paper roll, and then I was really nervous about that gonna be in church. Like, what are people gonna think about me filming a toilet, you know? You know, because he was it was in the midst of like a montage of God, you know, handing this guy stuff because he needed it, right? And I thought it would be funny if he was on the toilet and God gave him toilet paper. And I'm like, is that pushing it too far? Nah, I I didn't have to worry about it. People in church thought it was hilarious. Uh, you know, so get out of your head basically sometimes. You gotta just do it. And if you know it's funny, you know it's funny. Yeah, yeah, I hear that. And not everything's funny to everybody. That's the other thing, too. Comedy is offended. Yeah, you can't get offended if everybody if somebody doesn't laugh about it, right? So, yeah. So, yeah, that's that's I guess just you know advice I've given to people. Have fun with it. Don't get over don't get in your own head about it too much. Um, because that's where bad acting happens, right? Yeah. Yeah, I was just reading, what was I reading? Something of John Ford dealing with. Is it John Ford? I can't remember who he was dealing with. But he kept telling him that to redo the scene, whatever the guy was, a billion times, and he's like, it's just too, it's wrong, it's wrong. And he's like, well, tell me what how to do it right. He says, I don't know, but I'll know when I see it. So just keep doing it. Just keep doing it until it's right. Yeah. I'm not that obsessive. I I was once again dealing with non-actors, you do not run them for more than two or three takes, or you're just gonna lose them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're just gonna be well the it's just diminishing returns after a while. We're just like looking at you know. I mean, real actors sometimes take a while to get into it, but yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:31

Yeah, it just and it depends on the director too, right? Like some directors aren't gonna give you but four, three or four takes, and some actors are gonna give you twenty or thirty. It just depends on you know.

SPEAKER_00 48:39

Well, and Eastwood will give you like maybe one take and be like, plus why do it again? You know, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:45

Eastwood give you two or three and then say, that's it. Why do we don't need to do anymore? Why waste everybody's time? Which is like that's a wild statement, but okay.

unknown 48:53

You know?

SPEAKER_02 48:54

Well, it depends on the scene. I mean, there are scenes that you do not need multiple takes. Yeah. You got the shot.

SPEAKER_01 48:59

I hear you. Yeah. Yeah. It's just um, do you have a do you have a favorite film based on a uh I like to ask this question. Do you have uh do you have a favorite uh film based on a music or musical? But more based on music?

SPEAKER_02 49:13

I have um I have opinions. No, my favorite um movie musical based on an actual musical um has always been The Music Man. But my favorite movie musical is uh Singing in the Rain, which is not based on an actual thing, but it is my favorite movie musical, right? Um about Hollywood, of course. But I Gene Kelly has always been an amazing to me. I I'm one of those guys, like I prefer Gene Kelly over Fred Asterre, although Fred Esther is amazing. I prefer the Marx Brothers over the Three Stooges. I prefer Buster Keaton over Charlie Chaplin. Um because I find those guys to be a little I mean, I don't know, Three Stooges is just a little too slapstick for my taste, and Marx Brothers has more well, it's got Groucho, so you know Groucho and his wordplay and the ridiculousness that goes with the fact that they take these shows on the road and by the time they filmed them, they had this stuff down to a science uh this is where the jokes go, this is where the stuff goes, right? Um Buster Keaton, because he was he wasn't as precious about it. I mean, I don't mind Charlie Chaplin, I think he's funny, but he was always very more of the auteur kind of a thing. Whereas Buster Keaton is okay, how can we get this gag? And you know, I mean the general, when I saw that the first time in film school, and that we saw it without any soundtrack at all, like no music or anything. I mean, it's still hilariously funny uh in in the parts that's supposed to be funny to this day, and uh very impressive with a lot of that stuff. And then Gene Kelly, I mean, he just made dancing look effortless, but also kind of macho at the same time, you know? Like he'd stop, and when he him standing there, it looks like he's about to go at any second, you know. He's ready to he did a whole thing. I remember reading about that. He did a whole thing on TV about he took sports and then did some dance stuff around each sport, like baseball, football, that kind of stuff, to kind of show people that you know I know I don't know back then, you know, what his stance on homosexuality and dancers and stuff were. Maybe there was some sort of dancing is you know more module than you think it is, kind of a thing, because stereotypically, you know, although I know a lot of dancers who are not gay because there are a lot of women in dance classes, and you know.

unknown 51:47

There you go.

SPEAKER_02 51:48

There you go. Um, but that doesn't it doesn't matter, right? So I don't know, maybe. But even in that, in that case, he's just there was something about him. Plus, as uh a baritone myself, I can actually sing most of the stuff that Gene Kelly can sing because he's in my range as opposed to a lot of other guys. So uh but I do I do have a keen appreciation of Fred Esther. And you know, what was the the uh the studio note about him? Can't act, can't sing, can dance a little. That was studio note about Fred Astaire.

SPEAKER_01 52:29

I watched uh I watched a thing on um oh gosh, it's called Sandwiches of History, and uh they did a uh apparently uh Jane Kelly had a sandwich recipe called the man sandwich from the 40s, and it was uh toast with mayonnaise and mashed potatoes, leftover mashed potatoes, uh, and then something else, and you'd put it in the broiler and you'd broil it and then pick it up and eat it like a toast. And the guy, the guy on the who was remaking the sandwich is that this is delicious. He's like, This is an eight out of ten easily. This is so good. Like it was really funny. But he called it the man sandwich, you know.

SPEAKER_02 53:08

The man sandwich sandwich.

SPEAKER_03 53:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:11

That sounds like a Gene Kelly thing to do, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 53:13

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:15

But yeah, I that's that's my thing. I mean, I I I'm a big fan of musicals. Uh I don't watch as many of the modern ones. We watched, I mean, it's not really a movie musical. We watched Hamilton on Disney Plus and that. That's fantastic. It's very impressive, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 53:30

Yeah. Um I I love uh I love when Jefferson shows up at the in the second act with What Did I Miss? I think it's one of the greatest entrances.

SPEAKER_02 53:39

Yeah. It's so fantastic. And then of course King George that performance. Oh god, it's so good. The Disney Plus is great because you get close enough to see just the Spittle fly.

SPEAKER_01 53:51

Yeah, the mad the mad spittle. Yeah, it's so good. It's so, so good. Um is there a movie that's just about music that isn't a musical that you could think of that you like?

SPEAKER_02 54:01

Um let me think here. You know, I mean there's a lot of uh something like that. Yeah, there's a lot of uh uh you know biopics, um which, you know, I I really enjoyed Weird. I don't know if you guys watched the Weird Owl one yet, but it was such a good parody of musical biopics. And my my stepmother or my uh my mother-in-law was watching with us, and she knows like nothing about so at the beginning when his dad is getting all and he's like, Man, his dad is really mean. I'm like, you realize none of this happened, right? This is not true at all. None of this is nothing in this movie is true at all. Like Weird Al is the least offensive person in the entire world and hasn't done nothing, you know. He's he's you know, ridiculously nice guy and a genius, quite frankly. Um, I mean there's I like there's some concert videos that I've enjoyed. I wouldn't call the qualifying the movies, I guess, but um I guess there have been that there's some good ones that I've heard of that I haven't got a chance to watch. I know there's one about the talking heads that they just re-released that I've heard really good things about. Um I do like uh Spinal Tap. Spinal Tap's fun.

SPEAKER_01 55:15

Spinal taps a Spinal Tap's a good, uh that's a perfect example of what I'm talking about, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 55:19

Well, so is so is Weird, actually. Weird's a good weird, yeah. You know, it's a bounce.

SPEAKER_02 55:23

I know they're doing some sort of sequel to Spinal Tap coming out that's gonna be interesting. We'll see how we do with that. Interesting. Okay, yeah. Uh and they did sort of a thing then. But yeah, as far as beyond that, I there's some movies I've wanted, I wanted to see yesterday, but I haven't had a chance to yet. I did see once. I think once, I think that's what it was called.

SPEAKER_03 55:46

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 55:47

That had a good soundtrack.

SPEAKER_01 55:48

I think that's got the dude from The Commitments in It, if I'm not mistaken, the guitarist. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 55:54

There's a lot of movies that have good music in them that I enjoyed, especially from the 90s. Uh uh High Fidelity was good. Um uh what am I thinking of? A couple of good ones with John Cusack. Gross Point Blank had a great soundtrack.

SPEAKER_03 56:11

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:12

Uh the Zero Effect. You ever guys ever see that one? I've heard of it. It was uh Bill Pullman and uh Ben Stiller. It's basically it's basically Sherlock Holmes. So um Ben Stiller basically plays Watson to uh Bill Pullman's Sherlock Holmes character, Daryl, Daryl Zero. Um and it's set in Portland in the modern times. And it's not for those who know Sherlock Holmes, it's kind of an obvious thing because Daryl Zero plays a guitar really badly and is you know hopped up on drugs half the time if he's not doing stuff, right? And you know, and uh Ben Stiller's carrying, I think it's Arlo or something like that. So it's an A name to go with the Z name, right? Has some great lines. He's Daryl's putting stuff uh because Ben Stiller ran off to do something, so Daryl decided, well, I'm I'm going to record my own uh thoughts to put in a book because he's not writing the book now. And his great line about uh the best way to follow someone is to get there first. So he's been following Ryan O'Neill around town as he's doing this drop for this uh blackmail that he's doing, and you see him following around, and then the next thing is Ryan O'Neill goes into this bathroom to go drop off the stuff, and Darrell Zero is at the urinal in the bathroom already. Which that's pretty good. Yeah, one of my favorite lines for that. Um, so yeah, that, and then of course, uh Soy Married and Axe Murder, which has some amazing music in it, and of course that that poetry uh which I have memorized. Because when I was in college, I did this, I worked at the student union doing uh uh janitorial, and so I had a tape player and I had cardinal pants, I had tapes, like every pocket had a different tape in it. Because I just well I'm vacuuming the floor, I've got to switch it out, and I listened to that soundtrack so many times. Um my wife's quote from Futurama, I think it was this isn't alt rock, this is college rock. So yeah. But yeah, you so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 58:31

Yeah, do you have a do you have a favorite moment from one of our sets? Um do you remember anything pleasant about working with us? Or we're looking for crazy.

SPEAKER_02 58:40

You guys were pretty pretty cool. It was nice you got my wife involved. It was fun. She had to be in the the crowd scene, which was fun. Um the shoot the shooting in the back room was tight, but it was a fun, it was a fun moment that I got to do some fun stuff with. Yeah. Stay with me kind of thing.

SPEAKER_01 58:59

It plays it plays really well too when she when you yeah, it's it plays really well.

SPEAKER_02 59:03

So I I I really I really enjoyed that. Um and then just hanging out with you guys was fun. You know. Yeah. It's nice, it's nice to hang out with other film people on occasion.

SPEAKER_01 59:14

It's nice to get the energy, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:16

Yeah, yeah, there's an energy about a set that you don't really get until you're on it. Yep. Then you're like, oh yeah, I can understand this.

SPEAKER_01 59:24

Yeah. Oh boy, the circus is fun. Yeah.

unknown 59:30

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 59:31

Yeah. Marty, you got any other questions you want to ask?

SPEAKER_00 59:36

Oh, well, I that kind of wraps it up for the making portion, I would think, right? Yeah. Very good interview. We've learned a lot.

SPEAKER_02 59:45

Yeah, true. Hopefully. We appreciate it, buddy. Hopefully, I didn't go off topic too much.

SPEAKER_01 59:49

Nah, you're fine. It's it's an interesting. You you've you've had an interesting life, and there's a lot of interesting stuff you've done, so it was fun to listen to.

unknown 59:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 59:56

Yeah. I don't always think they're interesting, but then I'm the one doing it.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:00

So that's that's just it. When you've done it, it's not so great. Yeah. Other people are like, wow, you did that? And you're like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:07

I was there. There, yeah. I mean, just I'm good. We're good.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:13

Well, we appreciate you coming on, man. Thank you so much. And uh, I hope we can I hope we honestly we can put you into something in the future. That'd be really great.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:22

Well, we could talk about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:24

Okay. Well, and if you've got other ideas that maybe we could work on, let's talk about that too.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:29

Sounds like a plan.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:31

All right. Well, until then. See you guys.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:34

All right. I don't know why I put thumbs up. You guys can't see that anyways. No, nobody can see that.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:40

Thumbs up, everybody.