Talking Pondo: Youngblood and Demolition Man with Jeff Tyner

 In this episode, Jeff Tyner (director of "The Late Game") joins the podcast. He brings along the movie Youngblood. Marty and Clif give Jeff the movie Demolition Man to watch.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_04 0:00

I used to be a Leafs fan. They're a miserable team to watch. So I've I've gotten out of my hockey fandom. But I got to play hockey with Steve Thomas a few years ago. And I'm I'm just I'm badgering him with Youngblood questions the whole time. Um because he has one of my favorite shots, which is when when Youngblood has made the team and he's in the locker room, there's a hockey player doing leg press, but he's got like his hockey pants on still, um, which is just an absurd. You would you would never work out in hockey gear. Um and I didn't even know that was him until years after I'd watched this for the first time.

SPEAKER_01 0:36

Welcome to season three of Talking Pondo. Talking Pondo is a podcast where Cliff and Marty give each other a film to watch and talk about them in detail. Some episodes will include a special guest.

SPEAKER_02 0:55

Alright, that's us, Marty. We're back. And we're back once again. It's Talking Pondo with guests. Once again, we're back. Got a scorcher for you today, boys and girls. We do. You know, today it's uh it's it's been one that we've been waiting for a long time, guys. It's finally here. Keanu and Sandra.

unknown 1:14

Yes!

SPEAKER_02 1:15

It's not Speed. No, we're watching Youngblood and Demolition Man. Haha, you thought we were watching Speed. We're watching a separate Keanu Reeves movie and a separate Sandra Bullock movie. So French Canadian Keanu. That's true. His first movie, Youngblood. I've seen it all, I've seen it before, but it's been a very long time. But also, the most important thing of today is we have a very special guest. A few months ago, you might remember us reviewing a movie called The Late Game, which where we do this we discovered, and now we have the director of the film himself on the show today. Jeff Tyner is joining us on Talking Fondo today.

SPEAKER_00 1:53

Thanks for having me.

SPEAKER_03 1:55

I cannot believe we got you on the show. I'm so so excited. I love I love the film. So uh yeah, I'm just I'm really glad you're on. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_04 2:04

Oh yeah, I appreciate it. It means a lot. So yeah, I'm I got nothing but time for you boys.

SPEAKER_02 2:09

Thanks, sir. Thanks, sir. Yeah, and if you haven't seen the late game, uh stop the show right now and go go watch it. Oh last time I checked, it was still the Amazon Prime, but has it moved on to any of the fast channels yet?

SPEAKER_04 2:25

Yeah, so available to rent and purchase. That's Prime Video, Apple TV, Fandago and Home. And I hate when this comes up conversationally, but we are we are available for free on a platform called fossum.tv, which is just so awkward to say. Shit, so are we. Yeah, we're on there too. That's a tough one to just say anecdotally to someone, like, because you have to spell it out. It's F and then the word awesome.tv. Um, but yeah, it is available for free there, so definitely check it out. That's on most of the streaming devices. So we're trying to get on a few more, like the tubies and Pluto's, but I think that's gonna be a little bit of time.

SPEAKER_02 3:03

All right. We'll definitely put links to that in the in the show notes. So if you're listening, just scroll down and you can click right to it because you you need to watch it. You know, we watch a lot of movies on this show, and that one's definitely one of the better surprises that we've come across, you know, because you go into a movie, you don't know what it's gonna be, and that one was just like, you know, I think you may have listened to the episode, but I remember one of my first impressions is oh this is probably like made for like Amazon Studios or something. You know, like I really thought it was, you know, this large budget movie, and to discover it's like, oh, this guy's like us, he's out there scrapping and making, you know, indies. So I enjoyed it quite.

SPEAKER_04 3:39

I did catch that, and that was that that was a nice little pumped up my chest a little bit. Yeah, no, that that was uh phenomenal crew. Uh, you know, shout out to I we met our cinematographer on Reddit. Uh he responded to one of my my uh just questions about hiring staff and then cross-check some of my other casting looks on the hockey player subreddit and Jeff Van Gurwen, phenomenally talented. And uh he he's the one who really elevated that to give it that that look because it would have I would have still done it on my own, but it would have looked a lot crappier.

SPEAKER_03 4:11

It does, it looks great. Um, I mean it it really it looks like a it looks like a lot of money went into the movie. Um I I and again I'm I'm a big fan, um uh, but I I would recommend everybody go check it out. Um support indie film and and support this guy. He's he's made a great film. Um thank you. Yeah, you're welcome. You're welcome, absolutely. And and again, thanks for coming on.

SPEAKER_04 4:34

Thanks for having me, I'm pumped.

SPEAKER_03 4:36

Yeah, so these two films this week are um pretty pretty good choices. I like them. Um I could easily see this as like a drive-in double feature. You know, I know they're they're not in the same that they wouldn't be close in release years, but I could easily see like a retro drive-in theater, you watch these pack-to-back.

SPEAKER_04 4:51

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:52

So we gave you Demolition Man with Sylvester Stallone, Rocky himself, and you gave us Rocky on Ice.

SPEAKER_04 5:01

Well, in a way, but I like it. It works.

SPEAKER_02 5:05

Yeah, in a way.

SPEAKER_04 5:06

Yeah. He has to go report a distance, you know. So which one do you guys want to cover first? Well, I'm along for the ride, dealer's choice.

SPEAKER_03 5:16

Uh let's do let's let's do Demolition Man. We'll we'll jump through that because we'll we can I can we can roll uh hockey because I'll have questions about his film when we're talking about Youngblood.

SPEAKER_02 5:26

You know, it's about time that we did a Sandra Bullock movie around here. We we hint around it all the time. We ever do. And this one is strangely enough a year before the breakout role of speed, right? But in '93 there was a movie called The Last Action Hero with Arnold, and that one didn't do very well. And then there was this movie, Demolition Man with Stallone, and this one did pretty damn well. And while I feel Last Action Hero, if they had rewritten it about twenty more times, they might have got it to the level of humor that kind of works in Demolition Man. But anyways, what is Demolition Man?

SPEAKER_03 6:01

Demolition Man! Uh 1993 rated R, one hour and fifty-five minutes. Uh let's see here. Here's your log line. A police officer is brought out of suspended animation in prison to pursue an old ultraviolet nemesis who is loose in a non-violent future society. Uh this is starring Stallone, Snipes, and Sandy B. Let me see here. Let me get your storyline. All right. Frozen in 96, Simon Phoenix, a convicted crime lord, is revived for a parole hearing well into the 21st century. Revived into a society free from crime, Phoenix resumes his murderous rampage, and no one can stop him. John Spartan, the police officer who captured Phoenix in 96, has also been cryogenically frozen, this time for a crime he did not commit. This time. Alright, uh in 2032, the former cities of Los Angeles, San Diego, and Santa Barbara have merged into peaceful, utopian San Angeles. Unable to stop him with their non-violent solutions, the police release Spartan to help recapture Phoenix. Now, after 36 years, Spartan has to adapt himself to the future society he has no knowledge about.

SPEAKER_02 7:08

Fish out of water, basically. Yeah, that's the commonality between the two movies, in a way. The the fish out of water. You know, we have Rob Lowe showing up in Canada, doesn't know anybody there, and then we have Sylvester Sallone showing up in the future, which is only about seven years away right now, and he doesn't understand what's going on there either. Uh, you know, it's very hard to predict the future, isn't it? Now, I mean this movie does a pretty decent job in some parts. Like it has chat GPT in the dashboard, basically, when they're when the cops are driving around. But it doesn't realize that Zoom calls will be in the same machine. Like it doesn't have handheld devices, really.

SPEAKER_03 7:53

But it's right, there's no there's no iPads, there's no iPhones. Yeah, there's no iPads, no iPhones, true.

SPEAKER_02 7:59

Uh, what was my note? It's not far enough in the future, but also not too far. So I think they did a pretty good job for 1993 trying to approximate 2032 in some respects. But definitely a wild choice. They don't waste any time, they immediately start going, is what I like about it. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 8:22

Uh I like how it's released in 93, but they're like three years later, LA is burning to the fucking ground. You're like, Jesus, okay. I mean John Carpenter's LA is the movie.

unknown 8:34

Right.

SPEAKER_03 8:35

And I guess the riots had happened. I mean, this is that's what I was thinking.

SPEAKER_04 8:40

It must have been reactionary.

SPEAKER_03 8:42

The riots are 92. I had left LA in early 92, I think. Um yeah, I worked at a movie theater when this movie came out, Demolition Man. So I got to I got to trash theaters to this movie and it was a lot of fun. I I I enjoyed it. It's always fun to like work in a movie theater when a really good movie's playing there because the audiences are always a lot of fun and they're very uh it's got a good buzz. But anyway.

SPEAKER_04 9:07

Especially that era. I feel like people appreciated it more. Oh, big time.

SPEAKER_03 9:11

Yeah, they sure did. Um people just don't go to movies the same anymore. Um anyway, yeah. I love how this is four years into the future in LA's uh uh uh hellscape. Um we get an early favorite line of mine, set your ass on fire from Simon Feathlings. Uh this movie's eminently quotable. Like this movie, you can just quote fucking constantly. You know, you just fucking enhance your calm, all these great quotes that you can keep throwing off constantly. It's really great. Um early on, we get a big ass old school building explosion. God bless the 90s action movies, just a gorgeous one. I wonder what that costs. The amount of the amount of gasoline packs that they had to put in that building to make it explode like that. Um and this is also kind of a Nexus movie. It's you've got early Ben Bratt, you've got early Sandy B, you've got early Dennis Leary, you've got Sylvester Stallone. Um, this is not one of early, not early Nigel Hawthorne, but this is a movie that he did so he could get bigger movies, um, like um Madness of King George and other things because he was shooting for an Oscar and trying to prove he could uh be that character. Um but yeah, it's it's which I love. I mean, I love me a Nexus movie.

SPEAKER_04 10:22

So yeah, you mentioned earlier uh with Last Action Hero, I didn't realize it was the same year. There's like a weird cross-pollination there of if I'm not if I remember, in Last Action Hero, you've got the T2 cutout with Sly as the Terminator, and then in this one you've got the President Schwarzenegger, like uh I guess their rivalry's kind of at its peak, so to speak.

SPEAKER_03 10:46

Well, they were firing back at each other forth in movies. There were a couple of those. There were a couple of those. I can't remember the others, but there were definitely a couple of times where they were firing back and forth at each other. Um did he this is another Did he get Arnie? Did he get Arnie into the Expendables movies?

SPEAKER_04 11:02

Yeah, I don't think it was from the start. I think it was one of the sequels, though, right? Like I don't think it was from he wasn't in the first batch of them.

SPEAKER_03 11:09

That was Bruce Willie.

SPEAKER_04 11:10

And this is another Rambo shout-out in one of his movies because Tango and Cash being the other, where he's Rambo is a pussy. I can't remember what Snipe says in this one, but he says something about Rambo.

SPEAKER_02 11:21

Oh it's like a uh sorry, Rambo, I have to take your gun, or it was somewhere around that part, right? Something like that.

SPEAKER_04 11:28

Fun production design too, like at that museum and like the cryo facility. I was oh I love that stuff.

SPEAKER_03 11:35

I I do too. I I I I think you nailed it. The production design, one of my favorite things is they went to GM and they said, Can we just get your can we borrow your fleet of concept cars? And GM said sure. And so all those cars are basically just real that Cadillac, when they get took it from me, real Cadillac. That's the coolest looking one. Put that into production immediately. I will go and buy one. They're that's so awesome looking. It's really neat. Um, so they but you're right, you nailed the production design is really great. Um, it looks really cool. I love how early on they've got they they decided, hey, during the title sequence, let's just uh flip the camera around the frozen ice puck that is Sylvester Stallone. And so they're just artfully kind of avoiding his genitals as they're just giving you different close-ups of body parts.

SPEAKER_04 12:21

I have a ru I have a tough admission here. I paused the movie during the title credits and and purchased the arrow video Blu-ray of Demolition Man because I realized they didn't own it. So I was just like, I was I was hooked that early. I was like, man, I gotta I gotta do this.

SPEAKER_03 12:36

I didn't even realize that there is a copy of that. I'm gonna have to yeah, okay. Mentally arrow copy. Yeah, definitely. Okay. I love Arrow and Kino Lorber right now, are two of my favorites for for for movie stuff.

SPEAKER_04 12:49

I'll have a Kino Lorber shout-out when we're doing Youngblood, too. Right on.

SPEAKER_03 12:54

Um, let's see. Oh, here's another early quote. Don't you think? I try not to, but you're young. Do what you want, think all you want, you know, which is just like man, this movie's very sly with its subversiveness, which I really, really like.

SPEAKER_04 13:10

Sly. I like that too.

SPEAKER_03 13:13

Sly, yeah. There you go. It's unintentional, but I'll take it.

SPEAKER_04 13:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:18

Uh just as an aside, I remember being at a planet Hollywood in the late 90s, and they had one of the frozen saloons up on the ceiling.

SPEAKER_04 13:27

I've got that note that I was gonna ask you guys how much would you spend for that? Because if I if I was loaded, that would be in my possession already.

SPEAKER_03 13:35

Frozen slide disc. That's hilarious. Wow. Um, I wouldn't I wouldn't mind having like his Balboa robe. The Rocky Balboa, that first one. That's what I have.

unknown 13:45

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 13:46

Um, yeah, Benjamin Bratt is called Alfredo Garcia in this movie.

SPEAKER_04 13:50

Again, I wrote that name down.

SPEAKER_03 13:52

Again with the subversiveness. Bring me the head of Alfredo Garcia being a pr a classic movie. Um uh and then, of course, one of the this movie's really great. What I wouldn't give for some action, followed by Simon Phoenix beating the shit out of everybody and breaking out of prison. The movie knows what it's doing. It's a great action movie. It's beat pal, go, go, go. It looks good.

SPEAKER_02 14:14

Lots of great. Its color palette is nice. And you think it's gonna be, you know, oh, Demolition Man, is this gonna be gr grimy, like the universal soldier kind of thing? You're like, no, this is more like this like futuristic, everything's all lightly colored, and then here come these crazy people from the past just tearing the shit out of everything.

SPEAKER_04 14:35

Yeah, there's a really fun mat matte painting of I guess it's supposed to be downtown LA. They they they name drop the street when it's Sandy B in the car, and then there's just like a quick matte painting of just like how futuristic and clean everything looks on like that wide scale that it's just a couple seconds, but that that's fun too.

SPEAKER_03 14:53

Yeah, there's a great shot of the cars as they're going to Taco Bell and they're driving along the roads at night, and there's there's that matte painting, just those cars moving. It's like it's yeah, it looks really pretty nice in the future, you know. Uh at least until you start finding out there's no toilet paper, and you know, you can't curse. And uh my favorite gag in the whole my favorite gag in the whole movie is is every time somebody curses, you hear that guy go, I was you've you've you've been fine for a moral morality statute.

SPEAKER_04 15:20

The absolute best ones too are when it's just it's it's that background noise, it's not full volume, and it's just like they throw it away, it's so good. It gets me every time.

SPEAKER_03 15:30

Yeah, he's in the Simon Phoenix is in the museum just cussing up a storm, and you can just hear and hear that voice for a second. So good. Uh when he curses the machine out so he get enough paper for toilet paper is brilliant, you know. Um, and people, I love the fact that the three C shells come from this because people still to this day talk about these three seashells and debate on how the hell people would use the three seashells.

SPEAKER_04 15:53

Fucking Rob Schneider doesn't know how to use the three seashells.

SPEAKER_02 15:56

I think it's because back then people weren't as familiar with bidets, at least maybe not here on the states. And so now you look at it and you go, well, obviously that's a that's what that's supposed to be. At least I think that's what that's supposed to be as a bidet, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:11

Um we're police officers, we're not trained to handle this kind of violence, is another great fucking line.

SPEAKER_04 16:18

There's a lot of monitor watching early on, too. That's just it can definitely be boring, but I'm so enamored with like Benny Bratt and Rob Schneider's faces specifically in that crowd watching and horror.

SPEAKER_03 16:32

It's uh yes, when Snyder leans over to vomit as the guy's dying, you know, it's so good. It's so good. Um how the CF monitors made a comeback, you know. Yeah, that's nice. Uh apparently Adrian Barbeau is the voice of the mainframe computer in this movie, which is pretty cool.

SPEAKER_04 16:51

I meant to look that up because that was that was a good choice. It's uh there's definitely that nice distinction with it.

unknown 16:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 16:59

Uh I also found out that uh in some countries it's Pizza Hut, not Taco Bell. Oh, that's right. Yeah, because they have the Taco Bell concept.

SPEAKER_04 17:06

To plug that arrow video Blu-ray, something on the features just says it has like a seamless both versions of Taco Bell and Pizza Hut.

SPEAKER_03 17:14

Okay, I'm definitely getting it. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_04 17:21

Also, I gotta shout out John Spartan might be my second favorite sly name next to Marion Cabretti. Uh I don't I'm a big fan of John Spartan.

SPEAKER_03 17:29

No, Mary Cabretti is definitely the top, the top of them all.

SPEAKER_04 17:32

Yeah, that's the best one for sure.

SPEAKER_03 17:34

Yeah, John Spartan is good. That's that's that is a good one. Um apparently Jack Black is in this fucking movie. Right? I saw his name in the credit. Yeah, he's credited in the scroll. Did y'all spot him? I did not, I could not see him.

SPEAKER_04 17:48

It's when they go, it's when Sly, Benny Bratt, and Sandy go down to the underground and they're looking around, and then Dennis Leary and the guys draw guns on him. He is one of the guys pointing the gun and slinging. To Leary's left, I think. Okay, right on. I was looking hard for him. So I got every time there was a group shot, I'd pause it to see, and then he has it's a medium to close-up shot of him. Okay. Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 18:19

I noticed the guys like to wear uh armor made out of tires.

SPEAKER_00 18:23

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_02 18:23

It looks like it's more like some little tread mark down there.

SPEAKER_04 18:27

I'm like, oh, it's like when Benny Bratt's got it, but like never does anything. He's got it for like the last set piece, but he never there must be some. I apparently there's a lot of stuff cut from it, which is why I thought that Blu-ray out.

SPEAKER_03 18:40

There's got to be because like um I have a note in here. It's like uh Simon Phoenix never actually like goes, you never see him hunt Edgar Friendly ever. You see him go, I'm gonna drop into the sewer and go find him. And then the next scene is he's at fucking he's at the dude's place going, How come fucking blah blah blah? And I need extra men, and it's like, well, how do you know you need extra men? Because there was a scene where you can get your ass kicked. Yeah, Jesse Ventura.

SPEAKER_04 19:09

Yeah, Jesse Ventura criminally underused here, so he had to have some stuff cut too, because this isn't absolutely he's still a name at that point.

SPEAKER_03 19:17

You have to bend some I and I would like to see that that that deleted stuff, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 19:22

I guess because they were already at two hours, they figured, you know, they had to snip something.

SPEAKER_03 19:27

It is a little long. That's that is my one comment on it that I'd say you could, you know, if if you're not if it's not really if this movie's not really your cup of tea, you'll find it a little long. But if you lean into the comedy of it and go with it, you'll probably enjoy it, right?

SPEAKER_04 19:41

But because there's all the stuff with his I mean apparently there's all the stuff with his daughter that's cut because with it being cut, you kinda kinda assume that Sandy B is his daughter, just based on the way a movie works with because they left a few of those lines in it.

SPEAKER_03 19:55

Well that changes that changes quite a few of the scenes.

SPEAKER_04 19:58

Definitely.

SPEAKER_03 20:04

Um it's uh I've so I like the way they do Simon Phoenix. He's not a dumb criminal, and um this guy in a peaceful society walking around is both kind of menacing and and kind of hilarious at the same time because you're like, he's gonna hurt somebody, but he but he also how he's kind of interacting with everything is kind of fucking funny, where he's just like, Where are the goddamn guns, Hal? You know shit like this.

SPEAKER_04 20:29

I think Wesley Snipes is doing the Lord's work on this movie. He's he's doing a great job. I I wrote down um that he it seems like he should have been also a villain in Batman and Robin. Like I think like he's also acting in that movie from a vibe standpoint. And I just I love him, man. I think he's I think he's fully bought in. Like everything he's doing, that it's it's a fun sinister um and I just can't stop watching him.

SPEAKER_03 20:57

Yeah, it's it's very uh Hans Gruber and diehard or something like that, only with some with some, you know, the with more action thrown in.

SPEAKER_04 21:06

Um and he's great with the physicality of like I I've read I I think this might be an IMDB trivia thing, so who knows? But I read that he had to like slow down his moves because they were not catching on camera as well.

SPEAKER_03 21:18

I read this thing.

SPEAKER_04 21:20

His yeah, his athleticism is he can do all that shit, man. I'd I'd love to you know see what could have been in the 90s for him.

SPEAKER_03 21:28

I read a Leary quote uh that said that that he demanded to shoot all of his stunt scenes. So they would shoot all of his stunt scenes with him and then they would go and shoot it again with the stunt actors. I was like, all right, all right, if you're gonna do it, but we're gonna shoot the stunts too with the stunt actors, and we'll make the stunts. That's awesome. I thought that was pretty interesting. But yeah, I read the same thing that he was so fast, and he's got a he's yeah, I think he's got one or two black belts, I think. Yeah, I was about to say, I mean, seems like he can really do the stuff. Yeah. Yeah. This is this is pre tax uh Problem Wesley too. This is this was this is good, Wesley.

SPEAKER_02 22:04

It's a good example of uh how action movies used to be before everything became super comic book movie stylized. Uh this one, like you said, like a like a die hard, it's like an 80s type action movie, but it's the 90s, so it's a little bit more tweaked, but we haven't got to the mid-90s because like if they'd made this movie in like 96, it would be more like face-off or something, right? But since it's been the early part of the 90s, yeah, it we haven't John woo-ified it yet. And so it just kind of stands as this perfect thing. I'm also glad they never made a follow-up, it just sits there by itself, it doesn't have any weird sequels or anything.

SPEAKER_03 22:43

So I could, I mean, I could, I could, I could deal with a sequel.

SPEAKER_02 22:46

Like I could deal with old John Spartan at this point, and you know, maybe not say there's more frozen assholes, right? But in a way, I kind of like that they just left it alone, you know. I hear you.

SPEAKER_04 22:56

Yeah, I feel like you if a sequel happened, you'd have to go back in time somehow and take Benny Bratt and Sandy with them and show them how things used to be done.

SPEAKER_00 23:06

Oh so I'm just gonna keep it.

SPEAKER_04 23:10

I'm just gonna keep workshopping Sly sequels.

SPEAKER_02 23:13

Like we watched Rush Hour a few weeks ago in Shanghai Noon, and I'm like, oh, this is to me, this much more entertaining than those. Those were fun. But there's just some kind of spirit in this one that's not that I felt like was missing from those.

SPEAKER_03 23:27

So um you really licked his ass, and he's finally matched his meat again with these fucking lines. Um, these quotable, quotable fucking lines. And I love how she's like an ex a 90s expert or uh 20th century expert, but he's constantly correcting her because she's getting it wrong. You know, I love that sort of uh game of it.

SPEAKER_04 23:48

I think some of Sly's best line deliveries are those like some of the later ones of her of her flubbed sort of quotes where he's like, Let's go blow this guy and he's just like that sort of exhausted, frustrated Sly. I feel like you don't see that in a ton of his movies, and that was that was good to see.

SPEAKER_03 24:09

This is probably honestly some of his better comedy work. Um one of the things Sly, in my opinion, has kind of struggled with is like Oscar and some of these other comedies that he's done where it just hasn't he he his timing's not really there. But this is really really well done.

SPEAKER_04 24:24

Yeah, like he doesn't have whatever that X Factor Arnold has with the the glib one-liners. Like he typically can't do those, but he has a few in this that I think work, which is definitely an outlier.

SPEAKER_03 24:38

Yeah, you're gonna you're gonna regret this uh for the rest of your life, both both seconds of it or something like that. He's got a couple types of ones. Um so what's going on in the rest of the world? Like, we know that this is like from San Francisco down to San Diego, the San Angeles, whatever, but like is the rest of the world like this, or is it just still a shithole? Like, who knows?

SPEAKER_04 25:02

Definitely seems some weird overlap with some John Carpenter, too. Like the way you have Escape from New York and LA, like it kind of I don't know. Who knows what Middle America's like? Maybe the coasts are are like this and and it's a wasteland in between.

SPEAKER_03 25:15

Right, right, right. Um, but yeah, we never see a lot of Phoenix actually hunting Edgar friendly. He goes from the sewers back to the leaders, back to his office, really, you know, with with nothing in between. And then from there he's releasing the prisoners and then he's turning on the guy and killing him, and now he's in charge, you know, that type of thing. So it's it's weird. They never really, even though he's been programmed to do it, the the movie, the movie just decides, meh, uh I'm just gonna we're just gonna kill that guy and be done with that plot line and move on with it, you know.

SPEAKER_04 25:47

I kinda excuse me, I kind of buy the they didn't count on like the chaos that Simon Phoenix brings of like he's just gonna do his own stuff, you know. Um but yeah, I do think that some of that lost in translation with whatever gets cut from the movie. I think it just kind of it's a little weird in the transitions.

SPEAKER_03 26:05

Yeah. Fucking Dan Cortez is in this movie. You guys remember Dan Cortez, MTV Sports? No, not my last time. I remember it too well, the Burger King commercials. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:17

He's he's the guy singing that if you want to torture her.

SPEAKER_03 26:22

He's the guy singing the the Garden of the Valley Green Giant and Taco Bell. That's that's Dan Cortez.

SPEAKER_02 26:30

Well, things were very extreme in the early 90s, and he was an example of extreme! He was all about extreme sports, yes. Uh this movie reminded me of Barbarella. Because they it's sex in the future is similar, right? You just put the hat on and you know. Right.

SPEAKER_03 26:49

And they both have what the hell, I'll do that, you know. Yeah, and then of course the dude's like, no, no, no, let's do it the other way. Right? In both chunka. Honkachunka. And also savage creature, John Spartan.

SPEAKER_04 27:03

And that that sleeveless kimono he's rocking. I love that. I would yeah.

SPEAKER_03 27:08

But she looks great in this movie, too. I mean, they put her they put her in several nice outfits. She's she's a she looks good. She's uh I love her um the way she does the character. Apparently, Lori Petty was cast for this first. Lori Petty fought. And apparently she had some artistic clashes with the director, and they were like, boop, out of there, Sandy B, boom.

SPEAKER_04 27:30

I would peg Laurie Petty to be with Dennis Leary's crew more than the naive.

SPEAKER_03 27:36

And it's a different movie if you if you that's what I'm saying. Sandy B brings this sort of you know, girl next door, naivety, almost like a like a cheerlead, a smart cheerleader or something, you know. Yeah, very cool. Yeah, Lori Petty's this like kind of gritty tank girl, like that's kind of all she's come across.

SPEAKER_04 27:53

Too too badass to not be badass in the beginning, you know.

SPEAKER_03 27:56

Exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 27:58

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 27:59

So I was I was thinking, wow, that'd be a different movie altogether. Definitely.

SPEAKER_02 28:03

I think it's a good thing that John Spartan did kill all those people. We know he didn't, but they wouldn't have frozen otherwise, and then you'd be completely screwed. So so the Phoenix basically shot himself in the foot with that one getting it done.

SPEAKER_04 28:16

Yeah, I love those setups in 90s movies where it's like our good guy is so good that like there can't even be one shade of gray in why he is incarcerated or whatever. Um as very I feel like there's a lot of Steven Segal movies like that where you know he's just such he's not just a good guy, he's the best guy, but it just he's in this situation now.

SPEAKER_03 28:38

Especially his early ones, out for justice, stuff like that.

SPEAKER_04 28:41

Those kinds of things, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 28:42

Yeah, not the not the ones where he's sitting on the chair doing the fighting.

SPEAKER_04 28:45

Yeah, yeah. Prime Segal, which I I've got a lot of time for those too, even though he's a garbage person.

SPEAKER_03 28:51

Under Siege is probably one of my favorite action movies of all together. I I absolutely for it. It's so good.

SPEAKER_04 28:56

It's so it's I think that was one of my choices. No, I I had it was tough for me to whittle it down to three choices for you guys, but Under Siege wasn't my original group. I had to really parse it down for you guys.

SPEAKER_03 29:10

Uh well, we'll have you back on. We'll do Under Siege or something. Yeah. Hell yeah. Um, let's see. What else? Or you got other notes?

SPEAKER_02 29:19

Uh I mean, basically, you don't have to what does it end like with uh you don't have to be completely violent again, but don't be completely pacifist, also in case violence comes your way, you have to be ready for it. Kind of like in Youngblood. I I can shoot really well, but you can't fight for shit. So there's that similarity.

SPEAKER_03 29:41

Uh this is around the time that Dennis Leary was was uh starting to catch. Oh, that's true. Same year's Judgment Night. Yeah, same year's Judgment Night. And he and he does the same. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 29:52

Wow, that's I think he's miscast in that, but yeah, he's still he does yeah, he does an okay job with it.

SPEAKER_03 29:58

That's one of the early movies that we did was Judgment Night. I think it's like our second or third episode. Um, but yeah, he's he but he does the same thing in both movies. He plays kind of a tough guy who does these rants. Who has his stand-up as part of the movie? Yeah, yeah, which is exactly what he does in his stand-up is go off on a rant here, and then he goes off on a rant. Um I think he got much better in his career later on when he did like you know um the the fireman show. Rescue me and some other stuff. Uh he was great in the ref.

SPEAKER_04 30:31

He's great in Sandlot, too. I mean, it's a real it's a small role, but like, you know, he doesn't put his shtick into that one. He's pretty earnest in it, and I think he doesn't. He's got he's definitely got the chops for it. I think he's did you catch his headshot in the movie? Like his actual just that had to be his actor headshot when it was like one of the regular file for him.

SPEAKER_03 30:51

Yeah. Just get his headshot, we'll put it in there. That's hilarious. Um I love the fact that uh the the the line, one bump on the head and you're Pancho Villa, and he goes, Who? Never mind, kid. Um but yeah, I think I mean this is one of those eminently rewatchable action movies. It's probably for me one of uh it's one of those movies that a lot of people can enjoy because it's not just an action movie. It's got some good comedy thrown in. There's some sci-fi stuff, um, a little bit of a romance angle. It's got a little bit of a subversive kind of message and and you know, Dennis Lear running around talking about freedom and getting fat and eating cheeseburgers and all that shit. And um so I I I mean I've enjoyed this movie since it came out, honestly, and I watch it you know, whenever it comes on, honestly. I don't mind it. I don't it's always one I'll just sit down and watch. So it's for me, it's about three and a half stars, I think, actually. Yeah, you're going three and a half. Yeah, I think so. It's it's I mean, I was thinking about it. It's like, you know, it's not the the director did a great job, production did a great job, it looks great, it's really well done, everybody brings it in the movie, and it's just that rewatchability factor has to bring it to three and a half. It's not a four-star classic, five-star classic, but it's man, it's a eminently rewatchable, enjoyable movie.

SPEAKER_02 32:16

Yeah, I give it a three, you know. I I might not like it as much as you do, but I still very much enjoyed it. It was when you put it on, next thing you know, two hours have passed. You know, you don't push pause, you just kind of like oh, this is this is comfortable. Like I said earlier, I didn't remember it being as comfortable as a movie. Because I had probably hadn't seen it since the VHS days, but watching it again was just like, oh, this is this is kind of fun and cool how they kind of got some in the future right, and some of it is like it's there, but you never can quite guess it. But and then I just love the you know, we're older now, and so it's like we really have time traveled and we see the younger generation, and it reminds me of like the people in this movie that don't remember 30 years ago because they weren't here, and so that kind of rings even more true now, too. So a very solid three, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 33:08

Yeah, I'd probably be a yeah, I'd say I'll I'll go, you know what, I'll I'll shoot for four just uh to even it out. Um just because I I can re-watch this too. I I place a lot of value and rewatchability. And I had this thought when I was watching that, like I feel like the five-star version of this is like Paul Verhoven does this if he hadn't already done total recall, you know.

SPEAKER_03 33:31

Um just like in terms of troopers on it.

SPEAKER_04 33:34

Yeah, it's like that would it would be a harsher movie. I think what you said earlier about it being a comp kind of comfortable watching, you know. Like, I like that it's softer on the edges than something like Verhoven does, but um yeah, I'll give it a four just because like I sent for Sly, man. I love him. I he's you you know what year Cliffhanger was? Was it before this? Oh, I think it was right before this.

SPEAKER_02 33:57

This is right before Cliffhanger, I think. Because those late 80s, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 34:01

He was kind of on a dip, yeah. So I I just love that he's still into it, you know, and not just phoning it in. I I feel like he really did take a big swing on this, and it's just fun, fun to watch, man. Him and snipes, I could I could watch all day. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:15

Well, there's cliffhanger. It's on I'm looking up, looked it up on ID. It won't tell me what year it is.

SPEAKER_02 34:19

Cliffhanger's probably 94, if I had to guess. Because I remember, you know, I worked at the movie theater too, and I remember cleaning up after that one. I remember it's opening day.

SPEAKER_03 34:29

Oh god. Oh god, dude, they're making a remake of it with Lily James and Pierce Brosnan.

SPEAKER_02 34:34

Are they gonna remake Deadly Ground while they're at it? Because I remember cleaning up after that one, too.

SPEAKER_03 34:41

93, actually. So same year.

SPEAKER_02 34:43

Same year.

SPEAKER_03 34:47

Yeah, that's Rennie Harlan. That's right, that's right. Rennie. Rennie did a little die harder than he did that. Sorry. All right. Um, don't worry about it, Jeff. I got I got software to take care of that. Cool, cool. Um, the the only other thing I'll say about this movie is I would implore Hollywood to watch this fucking movie. I would implore Hollywood executives to watch this fucking movie and realize that not everything has got to be a massive fucking IP to be a good movie. This was a this was a box office, uh it opened number one at its weekend and it did really freaking well. It's a classic for a reason. People, it's a especially like a cult classic. People people who like this movie really like this movie, period.

SPEAKER_00 35:30

And Hollywood can appreciate it.

SPEAKER_03 35:36

You know, yeah, and you can still have your Taco Bell commercial in there. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 35:40

And it still gets your Taco Bell again. And you still tell a good story. Like I remember thinking, oh, this is gonna have Taco Bell to the whole thing, right? And I'm like, they barely even mention it. It's in there a couple times, so it's not like over, no, it's not beating you over the head like I need a burrito right now or something.

SPEAKER_03 35:54

I sure can use burrito, you know, isn't that one of those lines? Or his face when he goes, his face when they go, I'd like to invite you to Taco Bell, and fucking Sandra B is kind of like, yay, kind of clap her hands, and he just looks like looking forward to it.

SPEAKER_04 36:07

Great. Such like a little kid reaction to hearing you're going to Taco Bell in the 90s, too. You're like, yes, yes, yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 36:15

All right, well, that brings us to Youngblood.

SPEAKER_02 36:18

Okay, so the next movie is Patrick Swayze, Keanu Reeves. Well, that's point break, right? No, no. This is the movie they made together before point break. This is the prequel for Johnny Utah goes undercover as a French Canadian hockey player. What's your Youngblood? That's not what that is.

SPEAKER_03 36:43

Oh my god, Youngblood, 1986, rated R, an hour and 50 minutes. Um, here's your uh log line. A 17-year-old farm boy is offered an ice hockey tryout. His brother drives him to Canada. He has fast legs, slow fists, but he is chosen. Will he learn to use his fist and play ice hockey the Canuck way? Will he get the coach's cute daughter? Um Let's see your storyline. Here we go. Uh a skilled young hockey prospect hoping to attract the attention of professional scouts is pressured to show that he can fight if challenged during his stay in a Canadian minor hockey town. His on-ice act his on-ice activities are complicated by his relationship with the coach's daughter.

SPEAKER_02 37:21

No, I like how this one doesn't waste any time either. In the first minute of the movie, you know what it's about. Luke doesn't want to work on the farm anymore. He wants to go join the rebels and blow up the Death Star. It's basically like he can't be a farmer, he has to go away. But I do like that it just drops you right into the action and you know, you're just off and going.

SPEAKER_03 37:41

Yeah, there's not there's not much like oh dad, you know, I I can't live here anymore, and you know, I just dream of playing hockey. There's none of that shit. It's like boom, I gotta try out. Like they're having dinner that night, I gotta try out, you know. Um, the dad apparently is a trial maple leaf.

SPEAKER_04 37:57

Um, no, no, Youngblood's dad. I'm sorry, I'm thinking of the coach. Yeah, no, I I've heard that. There's a lot of former Maple Leafs in this movie as the as the junior players. Um Okay. Yeah, there's I Peter Neville, no, Zizzle. Um, but Steve Thomas was like my favorite. I used to be a Leafs fan. They're a miserable team to watch, so I've I've gotten out of my hockey fandom. But I got to play hockey with Steve Thomas a few years ago, and I'm I'm just I'm badgering him with Youngblood questions the whole time. Um because he has one of my favorite shots, which is when when Youngblood has made the team and he's in the locker room, there's a hockey player doing leg press, but he's got like his hockey pants on still, um, which is just an absurd. You would you would never work out in hockey year. Um and I didn't even know that was him until years after I'd watched this for the first time. And just one quick anecdote from him is he when he played for the uh New York Islanders, he ran into Cynthia Gibb, the female lead, at a club one night. And he's you know, she's a total babe, so he's trying to, you know, put a little game on. And he's like, Hey, you know, I was in Youngblood with you, and she just totally like, I don't give a shit, leave me alone. And I just I love that I love that, yeah. Yeah, a lot of a lot of local hockey talent in this movie.

SPEAKER_03 39:20

Um so Rob Lowe had to be taught to skate for this movie.

SPEAKER_04 39:24

Um I also heard from Steve Thomas that three different costume assistants had to put all of his gear on for him every day.

SPEAKER_03 39:32

I believe it. I definitely believe it. Um apparently Patrick Swayze had learned to figure skate when he was a kid.

SPEAKER_04 39:38

Yeah, so he was he was all all that was him. You know, they go in tight for some of the hockey stuff, but yeah, all that skating score. Right.

SPEAKER_03 39:46

Yeah, and Keanu is uh he's a goalie. He was a he was an MVP of his college team as a goalie, so they nicknamed the wall. Yeah, which is I did not know that at all until I started doing research for this film. And oh, okay, he played he played hockey. I didn't know that. Um that man is an animal, I think is his only fucking line in the movie.

SPEAKER_04 40:07

Yeah, it's rough. It's real rough. His first ever shot in a movie, too, is him walking through frame, balancing tape on his head. It was clearly just like a throwaway direction of hey, do something. I love it.

SPEAKER_03 40:18

He's gonna that's that's John Wick right there, man. Yep, that's that's the Bobby Eager right there. Um, so what's your idea for the opening titles? Well, I thought it would just have him play hockey by himself in a dark rink. All right, fucking turn the camera on, let's go. Like foot loose, you know, it gives you down with your popcorn.

SPEAKER_04 40:38

Banger of a score, though. It gets me pumped every time.

SPEAKER_03 40:41

Yeah, it's it's it's it's well it's that it's that classic. And the 80s did this, in my opinion, better than any other any other fucking decade. You get these sports movies like Vision Quest or Youngblood or some of these or some of these others that just they have this rocking fucking 80s soundtrack. It's it's a it's just the perfect mixture with a with a hot girl and uh you know, and just the right uh you know, been I've been kicked off the team, gonna fight my way back on, or whatever the hell the the obstacle is. Um the 80s just did it better than I think any other genre, you know. And also my my favorite sports movie of all is Unnecessary Roughness, and that's from the 80s.

SPEAKER_04 41:23

So yeah. Scott Bacala, right? And Sinbad.

SPEAKER_03 41:27

Sinbad. You can't be and Kathy Ireland and a bunch of others. Um actually Rob Schneider from Demolition Man. Rob Schneider from Demolition Man, and then the dude from um Jason Bateman, too. Jason Bateman, there you go. That's the one.

SPEAKER_04 41:40

That's the one. Yeah, that one's got a lot of heavy headers.

SPEAKER_02 41:44

So it's uh oh, go ahead. Go ahead. No, please, go ahead. This movie's director of photography is Mark Irwin, and I was like, this guy's getting some really good shots. Let me see what else he's known for. Well, he's got quite a quite a varied career just for some of some of his movies that he's filmed where it was old school, uh Robocop 2, There's Something About Mary, and Scream. So he's kind of been all over the place.

SPEAKER_04 42:08

That's that's a wide net.

SPEAKER_02 42:09

That's a wide net, yeah. So odds are you have seen one of this Toronto Natives films at some point in your life. He also worked with uh Cronenberg a lot, too, which makes sense, Canada. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 42:24

378 minutes and penalties sounds like a lot. I don't play hockey and I don't follow it that closely, but that sounds like a lot of minutes to be riding the bench.

SPEAKER_04 42:35

If you're a fighter, especially, you're getting five to ten a clip, too. So back in those days, they f an enforcer would definitely fight that much. Yeah, that's pretty true to the era.

SPEAKER_03 42:47

Uh did you see that they the what was it? They had four fights in the first 12 seconds for the versus the US and Canada, that last uh go over.

SPEAKER_04 42:54

Four nations, yeah. That was holy. Normally, an international play, it's like a strict ban on fighting, but because they adopted NHL rules for it, it was on. That was that was fun.

SPEAKER_03 43:06

Um Swayze's team looks like they the Mustangs, they look like a high school team in their Letterman jackets when they're watching the tryouts. It looks like a it looks like a high school team, like a because they're all in those those cards.

SPEAKER_04 43:18

It was like a teen movie, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 43:20

Yeah, like a letterman jacket, yeah. Um and Rackie always looks like he's about to cry. Like he's not the best actor. His face gets scrunched up when he gets a that was just a hockey player.

SPEAKER_04 43:32

He didn't he has one other credit, I think, but boy, they nailed the fucking look. Like he's perfect.

SPEAKER_03 43:38

Yeah, yeah, yeah. But he he he just he he gets this look on his face where he's either like he's either looks like he's either gonna take a shit or he's gonna crack one of the two in some points of the movie. Um like that.

SPEAKER_02 43:50

Isn't it funny that the the whole thing comes down to two guys who weren't even on teams at the beginning of the season? Like Roblo and then the The asshole guy just wants to beat everybody up all the time. It's like, of course it comes down to those two guys at the end of your perfect kind of sports movie showdown. They were so good. Why weren't they on a team before? Because that's not how the movie's supposed to be. I also noticed this was shot in 1984. And then it came out in 86. And I was like, that kind of makes sense. It has some of that more of that earlier 80s vibe to it. Used to see this thing on cable quite a bit, but this was another I hadn't seen in so many years that I had forgotten many, many details, including all the hazing rituals. I had completely forgotten about that. That was a bit of a surprise.

SPEAKER_03 44:40

It's it's look, let's look, let's just put it on the front street. It's it's mildly homoerotic. It's kind of weird to be like let's shave this guy's nuts. Yeah, it's it's it's weird, but it's also kind of like in the 80s with these types of movies, you had that sort of there was a bit of that jock mentality at times. Um definitely and they bombed it. There's tons of shots of sweaty men working out in this film. It's no wonder that women enjoy these types of movies, and in particular, I remember as a kid, like girls in my school were like, Roblo's butt is shown in that movie. I'm going to fucking see it. Period. You know, and it was, I mean, you know, it's not just not just for the guys who like sports, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_02 45:23

Well, it it's interesting for that time period to be both genders having nudity in the movie. So it's a little something for the ladies, a little something for the guys, you know. Hey, everybody's happy. Everybody's happy.

SPEAKER_04 45:36

I even love how Canadian-ified the sex scene is because they have to take off their flannel and their long johns in front of the fire fireplace. I love that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:46

Only thing worse would have been like the uh just been nothing but denim.

SPEAKER_02 45:49

Yeah, the close-up of the button fly, and I was like, what is going on here? And of course, the woman delivers the tea and realizes, oh, you've moved on.

SPEAKER_04 46:00

Speaking to that homoeroticism, uh, I knew nothing about this movie when I was like playing hockey a lot uh in 1516, and I got to do these lessons with this ex-pro before school, like six in the morning, and I was just dicking around with the puck before we got going, and he mentioned I did this Youngblood move, and I was like, I don't know what that is, and I could not find this movie to save my life. You know, this was the days of going to Best Buy, FYE in the mall, stuff like that. So I I found a Canadian DVD website, and I but there's no picture, so I order it and I take it out of this manila envelope, and it's like flannel bursting open of Roblo and Patrick Smazy. And I'm like, what in the hell have I ordered? You know? What have you told me to watch? Oh man, it was it. I was hooked from the start, though. This it just instantly became my favorite hockey movie.

SPEAKER_03 46:53

Well, and and to be fair to hockey movies, and and uh I told Marty this, I there aren't a lot of really good ones. You know, I mean, there's a few. Goon is a great one.

SPEAKER_04 47:04

Uh Goon's a great one. I think Miracle Miracle's the gold standard in terms of how the hockey action's portrayed, in my opinion. Like that one is so fast and intense. Slapshots the original, and the you know, just it's so good.

SPEAKER_03 47:19

For a comp for a comedy hockey, I think that one that one's just top tier. I think it's really good.

SPEAKER_04 47:24

And even for that era, the way it's shot, it's it's really impressive because that was a much slower, sloppier game in the 70s, and I think it's it's really well shot.

SPEAKER_03 47:34

That's Walter Hill, right? Or is that Walter Hill? George George Roy George Hill.

SPEAKER_02 47:40

Uh Cool Han Luke.

SPEAKER_03 47:41

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:42

That rings a bell. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 47:45

Um, but yeah, I I mean I but I there aren't a lot of this, which is one of the reasons I was happy to see your movie because I don't think that there are a lot of great hockey movies out there. I think yours is definitely a cut above a lot of hockey movies that I've seen, in my opinion. So I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_04 47:59

It made it it made filmmaking feel a little more approachable, just with like I was like, well, worst case scenario, we're in the top ten of all hockey movies because there's just not that many, right? So that was a kind of encouraging place to start.

SPEAKER_03 48:12

Yeah, that's good. That's hilarious. Uh thank God there's still a sport for middle-aged white boys, right? Middle-sized white boys.

SPEAKER_04 48:19

Middle-sized white boys, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 48:20

Yeah, yeah. Um, yeah, there's at one point he just pulls that whole top dental fixture out of his mouth and sticks it in that girl's drink, and I'm just like, man, I know Canadians, or I know hockey players have bad teeth, but dude, gross. Like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 48:36

And she'd laugh about it anyway.

SPEAKER_04 48:38

So right, they're so pumped to have that to be part of that disgusting thing. That's like the best best night of their lives.

SPEAKER_02 48:46

Yeah, absolutely. I love how they're just throwing the shots over their shoulder, and Rob Lowe's getting more and more drunk, not realizing, you know, because they're just fucking with him, so he won't play well the next day.

SPEAKER_04 48:57

Dude, I was watching, I don't know if y'all have ever seen that Rob Lowe game show, The Floor, where it's it's like a couple episodes. It's so dumb, but it but actually what's awesome right now is uh um what's his name from Clerks? Brian O'Halloran. Is that his name? Yeah, yeah, I heard Clerks. He's like leading the the show right now. It's awesome. But uh one of them was sports movies or something, and Rob Lowe is right there, and the picture for Youngblood with him comes on, and no one they kept hitting pass, and he's just like, What the hell?

SPEAKER_03 49:26

That's hilarious, man. Wow. There's a guy at my work, he's 27 the other day. I said Val Kilmer's dead. He goes, Who's Val Kilmer? And I said he was in he was in Top Gun. He goes, I haven't seen Top Gun. I was like, How the fuck? How do you walk around the planet admitting shit like that? Like, come on. Anyway. Um Dear Diary. It's day one and the coach is on my ass. I thought it'd make some new friends, but it turns out they're big jerks who shave my balls. Anyways, I'm off to stalk the coach's daughter and buy some pornography. Love Youngblood. I love this fucking movie. Like it just it's just so all over the place. It's so much fun.

SPEAKER_04 50:05

I would love a cut of that around town scene where he's essentially stalking her with just like the Friday the 13th, or no, the Halloween score explained behind like, oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 50:16

It's so good. Luckily, it's not stalking because she finds it cute.

SPEAKER_04 50:21

Yep. Those are the days. Those are the days.

SPEAKER_03 50:25

I'm getting in trouble for dating you, so I might as well date you. Yeah, and and that's the here's the other thing I love about the 80s, especially 80s movies back then, where they just like at one point they're just they go on this date and then they're back at his room and time to fuck. Like, I mean, there's just no it's like there's no like lead-in to it. They don't start making out, there's no trigger to it. It's just like throw the thing on the bed and let's get our clothes off. It's just like just like demolition man, kind of.

SPEAKER_04 50:54

Just yeah, without the headpiece.

SPEAKER_03 50:58

He's just as fast, you know. Um and she can complain about her life all she wants about not living in New York, but she gets to drive the fucking Zamboni. And so she needs to shut up a little bit. You know, you need to just realize that you have a special uh special thing that you do, you know. Um also I swear they have special lighting in this movie just for Roblo. In in particular, like when they put him in certain like kind of like hero shots, they light him different than the rest of the of the people in the movie, you know.

SPEAKER_04 51:29

Um a lot of haze out there too.

SPEAKER_03 51:31

Oh, thank you. I was looking up why is there so much? I was gonna ask you, have is there normally that much fog on the fucking ice?

SPEAKER_04 51:38

So a little behind the scenes with the late game, and it worked in our favor, is a big problem with hockey rinks in the southeast is because of all the humidity, is like the compressors that deal with the humidity, they they work really hard, and um the hours broke like a few days in the shooting, so the rink is just flooded with fog, you know, there's condensation all over the glass, and it actually helped minimize reflections, which was a good thing. Um, but it so it gave us an unintentional young blood look that was minimalized in the color stage.

SPEAKER_03 52:14

I'm totally fine with that, where she's like, It looks like young blood, I'm fucking fine with it.

SPEAKER_04 52:17

Our colorist Bradley Greers worked on a million huge movies, and like we were lucky to have him. He's based out of New Orleans, so he helped minimize it to help it match the stuff before the compressors broke. But we did joke around, we had some young blood action going out there for a little bit. Um, that's there's a lot of haze. It definitely feels a little of the time as much as anything, I feel like.

SPEAKER_03 52:39

Okay, because I'm just like I don't I've seen, you know, I'm I don't follow hockey religiously, but I've watched it, you know, it over the years. I've just never seen a rink that much haze on the street.

SPEAKER_04 52:49

Only when something breaks is is it gonna be that that's and I don't think that's as much of a problem in Canada in the winter, you know.

SPEAKER_02 52:57

Um but I was very glad that, and obviously this movie was made years before Million Dollar Baby, but I'm glad that it didn't turn into that because when I saw Patrick Swayze hit his head, I'm like, oh no, he's not gonna be Hillary Swank, right? Where he's paralyzed and the movie just gets really depressing. So thankfully they they didn't do that. Man, even in the 80s, I keep playing.

SPEAKER_03 53:23

Rablo comes in and whispers McGushla and then goes out and beats the shit out of the dude.

SPEAKER_04 53:28

Yeah, that that was just assault. Like, even in the 80s, I don't think that would fly. And that was it was a much rougher game back then, but that's ridiculous. I I love how inept and blind the referee is in the movie, too, Hannah. He's just he should be able to do that. I have a ref in Gear League. I have a ref in Beerleague who is older than him and doesn't even look like he knows what planet he's on. So like it it it it's there's a little bit of reality in there.

SPEAKER_03 53:52

That's hilarious. Um I like that Keanu has the superior goalie mask throughout the movie. He should. The one with the superior.

SPEAKER_04 54:02

Another anecdote I have with someone someone from the cast is the bomber's goalie, which I think is the coolest mask in the movie. So I used to have a jersey T that was Sutton, uh Swayze's character. And I'm at the NHL draft in 2009, that's Montreal, and I get stopped by a guy when I'm just like on the concourse, and he's like, Hey, that's a coolest shirt. You know, I was in that movie, and I'm just like, Oh, who are you? And he mentions that he was that goalie, and I it looked like the guy, you know. Like I went back and watched, and I was like, fuck, I think that was the guy. And it was kind of a bang bang moment, but I asked if he got to keep the mask, and he said no. But that's my just speaking to the mask, that's my favorite one in there. I think it's fucking dope. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_03 54:46

Yeah, no, I I I agree, it's a good mask. I just like that those stitches. I just I don't know what that is.

SPEAKER_04 54:50

Yeah, stitches are cool too. Yeah, Keanu's, it's it's a different cut of mask than the other one, too. Like it's it's that it's the older version.

SPEAKER_03 54:57

Yeah, yeah, it it and it like I said, uh it feels like you you you you got about the same level of Youngblood hockey in your movie. Like, and I don't mean that as a bad thing at all. The Youngblood hockey sells, and your hockey sells, right? But you can tell it's a little half-speed, and you you know, for Beer League, like you were we were talking about for beer league, half-speed kind of works even better, right? Youngblood, maybe it should be a little faster, you know, so it sells a little bit better, like Miracle or something. But I feel like the hockey really sells in in both movies.

SPEAKER_04 55:31

Excuse me. Uh yeah, they there's some times where it's slowed down to like a comedic level. Um, like there's the time where it's like uh Sutton tells Youngblood to stay on sides and he's like pass the puck, and then they literally just skate in a circle in the circle zone for seemingly an hour passing it five feet. But uh there's little stuff like that that I do love though. It just makes me smile. And um, going back to like production design, I don't know if there were rinks like this in the 80s, but the chain link and Thunder Bay was just like just sets such a cool vibe.

SPEAKER_03 56:04

Yeah, yeah, no, I I like that. And um talking about that, it seems like when I see scenes like that, I always go, does the director, does the director play hockey? Does he know how the sport works?

SPEAKER_04 56:15

It's Peter Markle, and so I mentioned Kino Lorber earlier. They I so I had that DVD that I have I mentioned earlier for a long time, and I think someone took it from me. Um so then I recently got the Kino Lorber Blu-ray, and they had a director commentary on there that was not on the DVD, and it was it was worth the extra purchase. So um I don't know if you have that that version of it, but he was a hockey guy. I think he played college hockey. Um I don't remember anything super interesting about it, but as someone who's seen the movie as much as I have, it was that was like a nice treat to have a I'm a big commentary guy. I'm sure you guys are into him too. Oh yeah, oh yeah.

SPEAKER_03 56:55

Oh yeah. Dude, I just looked this director up and I should have done it before the movie started. This guy fucking you know what his movie was that he did before this? Hot dog the movie.

SPEAKER_04 57:05

Oh, that's right. That's awesome.

SPEAKER_03 57:08

That's I don't think I knew that hamburger, also, right? That's fantastic. Um he's done a lot of work. I mean, he's he's he's got a lot of credits, moved to TV and and has done a lot of work, for sure. Um, this is definitely early in his career, but yeah, I think he I mean I think he pulled off a good hockey movie. Um it's got a it's got a style that I quite like. You know what I mean? It's got a like a it's got a like it's got its fucking chin out, it's got a bit of an attitude to it, which I I definitely like, you know. Oh yeah. Um kind of like Vision Quest. VisionQuest kind of has that same attitude, um, which I quite quite like.

SPEAKER_04 57:47

And from not being a hockey guy, I think Rob Lowe really sells the look of a hockey guy. Like he looks a little uneasy in some of those medium shots on the ice, but the stuff like at the when he's at the dot for the penalty shot, you know, like he's got that intensity, and Swayze. I'm here all day for Swayze. I I love that guy. Um, and he, you know, we mentioned he could skate, and like, but he he's got the charisma of an alpha on a hockey team, you know. He uh he's awesome. And there's a lot of good supporting guys on there too, like Hewitt, the alternate captain.

SPEAKER_03 58:20

Um big dude that ends up taking Racky out in the beginning, right? Yeah. One of my questions is why isn't he in this the game later when Youngblood comes back and fights Racky? So they're gonna be.

SPEAKER_04 58:36

Or for the fighting. When Youngblood quits and his brother's like reading the paper of the past game, he mentions that Hewitt is suspended. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 58:45

I must not have mentioned, I must not have tied his name.

SPEAKER_04 58:47

It's because I'm sure it's just because of what he did with the ref, like, is is the reason not what he did to Racky, because as you can see, they can get away with fucking murder at that point.

SPEAKER_03 58:56

In this movie, yeah. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 58:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 59:01

Um, that's some sweaty sex. Um that is some sweaty, sweaty Canadian sex. Uh, I understand why you need to towel off and hit yourself with the water bottle after that. Makes complete sense.

SPEAKER_04 59:14

Well, tea with Miss McGill when she pops in, how weird she makes it. What's funny is like Yeah, I see that actor a lot.

SPEAKER_03 59:21

I always forget that she jumps his bones the minute he gets like the minute he's there five minutes. She's just that's a real thing.

SPEAKER_04 59:27

That's a real thing even now, is like Billet Mom's fucking junior hockey players. Um it was way more rampant in the days before cell phones, I'm sure. Um, but it's so funny because you know that that's a working actor. I forget what her name is, but I mean she plays uh Faraday's mom and lost. Yeah, great character actor, but I only see her as Miss McGill. Even when she's like the sweet old lady, I just think about her being like a horny mill in the 80s.

SPEAKER_03 59:54

It's it's Fanula Flanagan, dude. She's in she was in um uh uh Waking Dead Waking Net Divine.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:02

Really? That's what I thought. Because we had just watched that one, and now what a different movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:07

Yeah, we just did we did Waking Dead Divine two or three episodes ago, and she's in that, and then here she is the as the uh wow. That's uh crazy. That's a big difference.

SPEAKER_04 1:00:19

And dude, I mean, when it's just anecdotally thrown down how many of this team has fucked her, like syphilis could take this team down in the playoffs easy. Like that's that's a real hazard.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:31

Um four years in a low-level hockey league. At one point, Patrick Schweiz is like, I've been in this league for four years and I'm gonna get what's coming to me. It's like is that really normal to spend that l long in the house?

SPEAKER_04 1:00:42

Isn't it isn't because if you're not an NHL caliber player, you can you can play junior until you're 20 and you can start 15 or in some leagues 16. So the the four years tracks, but he talks about going number one in the draft or something, right? Right, right. He's an overager at that point. So you can you have one year, like a one-year window of being an overager in the draft, and then the best you can do is be, and there's plenty of late bloomers who are like undrafted free agents, but like that that that one gets crossed up a little bit, but yeah, I mean, plenty of guy like your average college freshman in college hockey is 21 years old because they typically play junior until they're 20. Right. And unless you're one of these the the select few who's clear cut to the NHL, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:30

Interesting. Interesting. Um, where the hell does Swayze live? Well, that fucking apartment that he lives in is the coolest place on earth. It's got a beach, a beach scene, a beach scene. Yeah, it's got like a beach scene with like, yeah, shit everywhere.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:47

It's wild. Yeah. The coolest place on earth, literally.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:50

It's it's it's um you get a goalie fight in this movie.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:56

Oh yeah, can't be a goalie goal.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:58

You don't hardly ever get to see goalies fight in hockey. That's that's very rare. Um the only thing about this movie is that you can see it coming from a mile away. Like its playbook is wide open. You can see the plays it's working. You know what is gonna happen with it.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:12

It's not gonna surprise you, but it's gonna do what's what I love about it is like it's the most movie thing in the world to have a penalty shot with like no time left to win the game, but no one gives a shit because the actual climax is the fight that's after they win.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:28

True. I love that. Very true. No, that's very true. Um, this is I remember watching this as a kid. I saw this when I was, I mean, I saw it when it came out on cable, so 86. I would have been 13 and um 14. And I remember thinking, I've never seen anybody start a penalty shot by kicking the puck.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:48

But I have to do it in the late game.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:52

Exactly. You made sure to do it in the late game.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:55

That's big on the Mighty Ducks movies, too. Um and so we we were strategic in our shootout. Oh, spoilers, that goes to a shootout, that the only people who do the kick are Chet, the bad guy, and John Calamino because he thinks it makes him look cool. Right. Um it was very strategic.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:15

So good, so good. Um Mighty Ducks, that's another one we've we missed as far as covering as we were actually really good hockey movies, a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:24

Definitely those are I love the movies, don't get me wrong. But so like those movies to be dramatic, like ruined my childhood. Not really, but I, you know, I'm from the South. I was like the only hockey player at the school I went to in South Carolina. So, like, if any kid wanted to roast me, they would just take something from the Mighty Ducks, like, oh, do a fucking you know, knuckle puck, you nerd, you know, and I'm just like, that's not what real hockey is. So I get real defensive about the sport in general, and it was so I have like a complicated history with those movies, but they are endlessly rewatchable for sure and like perfect time capsules.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:01

That's so funny. Uh, you have a love-hate relationship with them. That's great. Um, and of course, he's gotta go home. You know, he's gotta go back to the farm and and he's gotta learn, he's gotta go through his Rocky sports montage sequence, workout montage. You gotta have it. If you don't have one of those, it's not a fucking sports movie. It's required. Especially in the in this era. Yep, especially in the 80s, you're absolutely right.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:27

I love the actor who plays his brother. I think he's great. Yeah, I don't know him from anything else, but I love him in this.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:32

No, no, no. He definitely was in some other stuff. He was in uh he stopped working after the after the 80s, but um my goodness, Kelly Youngboy, Jim Young's is his name. And uh yeah, he was in Footloose. He plays uh he plays the bad guy in Footloose, he plays uh Lori Singer's boyfriend in Footloose. That's where I keep seeing these. I'll have to dust that off again. It's been a little bit more than that. Lori Singer, not Laurie Petty. Lori, yeah, not Lori Petty, Lori Singer. Two different things. Um let's see. Yeah, I'm gonna go home, ride the tractor, have my brother teach me how to fight and practice in my and practice in my private ring. Yeah and then I'm gonna go back and kick Racky's ass. Period. And kiss the girl. And we find that.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:21

Oh, yeah. The fight with the dads, I I really like that. Because here's the thing. And I caught this. When the dad comes in and he's skating around Rob Lowe, it's like there's a real fucking hockey player. Right. Yeah. That guy knows how to fucking skate. Like he's skating backwards on one foot, his balance looks great, he's crouched in his stance, he looks like he's got a little swag to his movements.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:40

He's got a little swag or two. He seems stiff.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:42

He's he's very natural, very smooth, like he's been doing it for a long, long time. And so I like right away. So that's when I looked him up and I was like, oh yep, hot professional hockey player. Okay, that makes sense. And then, of course, the big fight. We have the stick battle. Was there another is there another hockey movie where there's a big stick battle?

SPEAKER_04 1:06:05

Slapshot is real big on the stick battle. And that's before my time, but I can't believe like I've only ever seen it in the movies. So it's like I've never done my own research to see if they actually fought that way. Because man, wood stick, you know, all the sticks are composite these days, so they're way lighter. Getting slashed with a wood stick fucking hurts. So if you took one of those to the head, you would die. Like I can't imagine that it was rampant back then. But maybe it was. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:31

Maybe it was just like a like a recreation junior league type shit, you know, maybe more for the wilder, lower levels or something. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:39

It's nuts, though. Or just yeah, I don't know. It's weird, but it is fun to watch.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:44

Very much. Very much so. Um overall, I like I said, I really enjoy this movie. It's not one I watch a ton, but when it comes on or when I watch it, I always enjoy it. I always think it's kind of fun. Um I love like we talked about the latent kind of homoeroticness, and I feel like it offsets it by being like, here's a here's your gotta offset that by showing him punching this guy out and having a lot of sex. And that way it's it's it's perfectly bad. It's not gay because he fights and gets the girls.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:12

So don't worry. Don't worry, 1986 audiences. It's okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:16

Yes. Don't worry, guys. It's just it's fine to sit next to your girl, you won't have to be uncomfortable. Everything's gonna be fine. So fantastic. Uh, I'm gonna give it three stars.

SPEAKER_02 1:07:27

Yeah, that's what I'm giving it as well. It's also a very solid three. Uh also I wanted to mention both movies have really good character names. I like the names of the characters in both the movies we cover today. It's your you could tell they put a little bit more thought into it and they're a little more catchy, you know. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:46

Well, there is a Go ahead. No, sorry. Sorry. No, no, I'll say I I'll give it a very subjective five stars because it's just too much to me to not give it anything else. I'd give it 10 if I could.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:59

It for me, like nostalgia-wise, it's a four-four and a half. Like, because I when I watch this movie, I'm 13 or 14, I'm watching it at my house in my mom in my living room, and my mom's probably cooking something in the other room. I'm, you know, dinner's gonna be on in a couple hours, and I'm watching Young Blood. That's and so that's a real nice, kind of comfy, cozy memory for me.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:18

I like that.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:19

Um, but you know, if we're breaking it down and actually getting critical about the movie three, which is what I think.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:24

Yeah, I don't even want to know what my objective rating for it is. I'm gonna keep everything rosy in my in my mind and just leave it there.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:31

Yeah, I hear you. Well, we'll have to have you back on, man. Um, maybe we'll do like a you know, maybe we'll do like Roadhouse and what was the other one that we were talking about? Um Under Siege. Under Siege. Like do a do a do an action double feature with Swayze and freaking.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:46

I'm game. Anytime.

SPEAKER_03 1:08:50

I'll do that. That might be fun.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:52

Yeah, this was a blast, though. I mean, two two very fun ones. And like I said, Youngblood is a very easy way into my heart. So I'm glad we can spread a little joy with it.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:01

Yeah, yeah, that's a good one. And uh it's about time. Like we've been we've been dilly-dallying around at the outside of the 80s for a while, but um covering these types of films, it's about time we started covering them. Real genius and some of these others classic 80s films that are out there.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:14

Such a fun decade of just big swings, good or bad, they're big swings.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:19

Yep, yeah. And the 90s followed up with some great stuff too, and then it and I don't know what happened in the last 10 or 15 years, but it's weirdly started to kind of cool off. And like I said, it's all about big IP and big movies, and Hollywood seems scared to put money into things, you know.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:34

Yeah, it is kind of like a weird balance of all this weird big stuff and not a lot of money going around, but just I don't know how much sick financial success it leads to, but a lot of a lot of platforms for indie guys, you know. So there is a way to get your stuff out there, but it's tough to get that big share of viewers for sure. Yep. Uh, you got anything you want to plot? Well, we talked about it earlier, but yeah, just the late game, you know. Um, I really appreciate every all the kind words y'all have had about it. Um, like I said, uh Prime Video, Apple TV, Fandango at home, but free on fossum.tv and another one that Jeffrey M. Zucker will be mad I can't think of right now. That's free. Um, but yeah, if you if you search for it, you can find it. Um, and we will be at Geekfest West in somewhere in Washington State. But if you go to GeekFest, if you just Google that, you can find it. Um, that'll be in July, like July 18th. Is that's gonna be an in-person screening at a big theater? That seems really cool, seems like a really fun event. Um, so that's Geek Fest West. Google that, you can figure it out. I should have been more prepared there.

SPEAKER_02 1:10:43

This episode should be out just before then, I think. Because we tend to record three to four months ahead of time. But so that should time out just right. Just right. Yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:54

Well, right on. Well, Jeff, thanks so much for coming on the show. Again, we really loved your movie. Get out there, see Jeff's movie. It's great. Rent it, uh, watch it on Fossum. Um, Fossum's a free app. All you gotta do is download it and install it on whatever smart TV or device that you have, and then just go find his movie and watch it. So um, we appreciate that.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:13

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:14

All right, let's get out of here. You guys have a good one. That man is a fucking animal. Animal.