Talking Pondo: The Full Monty and Mrs. Doubtfire with Lillee Jean Trueman

 In this episode, Lillee Jean Trueman ("Lillee Jean TALKS Live") joins the podcast. She brings along the movie Mrs. Doubtfire. Marty and Clif give Lillee the movie The Full Monty to watch. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

No, it's a good it's a good digression. You're you're you're I think you're spot on. Um so imagine that this is here's here's another crazy thought. Imagine this is Tootsie Part Two.

SPEAKER_02 0:11

Oh yeah, I like this more than Tootsie. I did.

SPEAKER_00 0:14

Okay. But imagine it's part two. It's a it's a direct sequel to Tootsie. And Hoffman married uh what's her name, right? And they had three kids, and then she went and became an interior decorator because the soap opera killed her off. And then he but he continues to just be Hoffman in his career and you know just be a shithead who can't continue to get work. Right. And you've got Tootsie Part 2 all of a sudden. Yeah, and then he then he decides to then he decides to put the Tootsie outfit back on to get back with his kids and be the it's perfect. Look at me. In our alternate universe, this is Tootsie Part 2, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_03 0:47

That's a very good observation because I can see like I'm gonna fool him again, you know.

SPEAKER_04 0:52

I mean, he puts on what's welcome to season three of Talking Pondo. Talking Pondo is a podcast where Cliff and Marty give each other a film to watch and talk about them in detail. Some episodes will include a special guest.

SPEAKER_03 1:15

Alright, Marty, we're back. Mrs. Doubtfire joins the Chippendales, will not be seen this week, so we may bring you the following teas of an episode. Fantastic. You like me doing these dumb jokes at the beginning, and so now we have to do it every week. So sometimes they land a little better than others, but I try to always combine two goofy elements of the two films.

SPEAKER_05 1:40

Excellent.

SPEAKER_03 1:42

Love it. That would be the Mrs. Doubtfire sequel because it it today's films are about the wild lengths that some fathers will go to to see their children after a divorce.

SPEAKER_00 1:56

Well, and it's also about kind of I don't know, like uh maybe not the best dads in the world. You know, I think you we you mentioned it before the podcast. Get a job. You should have a job.

SPEAKER_03 2:08

Well, they should have avoided all of these circumstances if they had just, you know, gotten a job. But the full month people were trying to get a job. But before we get too far into it, I'm Marty. This is Cliff. We're back with another episode of Talking Pondo where we talk about two movies. Uh this week's movies are Mrs. Doubtfire and the Full Monty, two movies that have a lot more in common than you would think at first glance. And uh this is another Talking with Guests special episode. This week we have from Lily Jean Talks Live. We have herself Lily Jean herself joining us on the podcast. You may have known known her from her show. Uh there was an episode recently where she was talking to Eric Schumacher, as you may know from from our movies as well. And so we decided it's about time that we get her on this show. So hey, welcome.

SPEAKER_06 3:02

Hello, lovely to be here. Thank you for having me on.

SPEAKER_00 3:06

It's gonna be a good one. We got a couple good movies here. This is gonna be a fun one.

SPEAKER_06 3:10

Hello, you also have me. So duh.

SPEAKER_00 3:14

This is true too. This is very true. This is gonna be a lively one. I'm excited.

SPEAKER_03 3:21

So we kicked you, Full Monty, and you brought us Mrs. Doubtfire, right? If I recall correctly.

SPEAKER_00 3:28

Why uh why Mrs. Doubtfire?

SPEAKER_06 3:30

Oh, I love that movie. It's so emotional, and you could feel that movie, and that's why it stands out to me. I always love watching it. I watch it at least once a year. You feel it, and movies that make you feel something have a special place in my heart. So I thought you guys gotta you gotta watch this.

SPEAKER_02 3:49

Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03 3:50

Well, for so for the people at home, what is this sort of demented version of Mary Poppins known as Mrs. Doubtfire, Cliff? What is the uh the synopsis? And even Mrs. Van Dyke at one point, who was in Mary Poppins.

SPEAKER_00 4:09

Mrs. Doubtfire. Hang on here. Here we go. Um, so Mrs. Doubtfire, so your log line is after a bitter divorce, an actor disguises himself as a female housekeeper to spend time with his children held in custody by his former wife. Held in custody sounds very um Yeah. Penitentiary in a way, right?

SPEAKER_03 4:29

Look, all he did was bring a zoo to the house. There's worse things to do.

SPEAKER_00 4:33

Oh, by the way, we we we skipped it. Um Lily Jean, we were talking earlier. Um, you you just had big news about a thing that you signed into, right? I just wanted to get that. I want to kind of uh I share that early in the podcast so that people can hear about it.

SPEAKER_06 4:46

Thank you very much. It's it's bigger than a thing.

SPEAKER_00 4:49

I'm gonna be a director of I didn't want to try and define it, let you know.

SPEAKER_06 4:55

Well, listen up, Cliff. I'm gonna be a director on Right to Kill, which is a book to TV uh series adaptation that's gonna be shooting in London and New York. It was announced in Deadline, and I am so excited for it. And I want to thank you guys for letting me um air that on your show.

SPEAKER_00 5:11

Yeah, absolutely, yeah. And and we wanted to, you know, just in case, you know, you know, people listen to the first five minutes of a podcast, want to get that in there early and make sure they hear it. So all right, back to Mrs. Doubtfire. You asked me what Mrs. Doubtfire is. The log line's pretty crazy. Um basically his wife is holding his kids in prison. Uh-huh. And he's trying to get close to them by wearing a bodysuit. All right, so storyline eccentric actor Daniel Halliard Hillard is an amusing and caring father, but after a disastrous birthday for his son Chris, his wife Miranda draws the line and files a divorce. He can see their three children only once a week, which doesn't sit well with him. He also holds a job at a TV studio as a shipping clerk under the recommendation of his liaison. But when Miranda puts out an ad for a nanny, he takes it upon himself to mask a disguise as a British lady named Mrs. Doubtfire. And he must also deal with Miranda's new boyfriend, Stu Dunemeyer. The handsome Stu Dunmeyer.

SPEAKER_06 6:10

Stu.

SPEAKER_00 6:11

Stu. All right, let's jump into it. So is Mrs. Doubtfire, let's do this. Um, first off, I forgot about the cartoon opening. Right away. I was like, oh shit, I because I I texted Marty and I was like, do I really need to watch this fucking movie? I have seen this movie so many times that I feel it's like Star Wars. I feel like it's burned and so sort of into my psyche, right? And right away when I'm watching it, I was like, all right, I'll onto the podcast and I'll watch, you know, the process. I'll onto the process and I'll watch it. And sure enough, I forgot about the frickin' cartoon right off the bat, which was great with the bird and the the smoking and all that was fantastic.

SPEAKER_06 6:48

Well, when he does the voices too, it's excellent. I mean, Robin Williams, come on, that that guy, so absolutely freaking talented. Like, I mean, come on. This is like I put him up there with like Judy Garland as the greats, because this is like just a powerhouse.

SPEAKER_00 7:07

Yeah, his speed and his uh ability are are crazy insane. Um, what's funny though is like you're watching it, you're going, you know, dude, you can't really add lib on a cartoon.

SPEAKER_03 7:19

You know, you have to Yeah, you know already that you can't add the thing about the smoking, right? But of course that's what breaks it, right? A lot of smoking in both films, actually, because back when cigarettes were so prominent in movies. Smoking or non-smoking, it's so funny to hear that in a movie because it's just something you can't hear in real life anymore.

SPEAKER_00 7:40

No kidding. And in California, no less. That tells you how far back this is.

SPEAKER_03 7:44

Yeah, so was there more to because I know you read like the synopsis or the log line and then like the synopsis was that the whole thing, the whole thing? Alright.

SPEAKER_05 7:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 7:58

Yeah, I guess you're right, because you know, they did mention the other boyfriend who's who's barely in the movie. I think I would have liked to see a little more Pierce Brosnan throughout the film. I would and could have done with a little more Pierce.

SPEAKER_00 8:11

I could have done with a little more Mrs. Doubtfire and Pierce going at it.

SPEAKER_06 8:14

You know what? I feel like it was a healthy dose because you get to appreciate the want of Robin Williams' character through that gentle boyfriend there. You get to see the want, the detest, the pool scene, especially when he goes into his male voice. You you get to see that, and you know, Pierce's reaction when he gets hit in the head, the back of the head, and he he just kind of knows, okay, that Mr. Sapphire hit him.

SPEAKER_00 8:42

We all know the drive-by fruiting, right?

SPEAKER_06 8:45

But I feel like I feel like his performance gave it was so fulfilling, and you got to see Robin Williams' character struggle. You needed to see the struggle in order to understand. This man feels like he's been killed, he feels like his heart was ripped out, and this guy is just nonchalant walking around. Who is he?

SPEAKER_03 9:06

Mm-hmm. You bring up a good point because usually in these type of movies, like the new boyfriend would be a jerk or whatever, and it's easy to root against them. But in this one, he's being the ideal father figure that he was trying to be, but he couldn't get out of his own way.

SPEAKER_00 9:22

But we still hate him, but we still hate him. We still don't like him. We still don't like him because he's replacement dad and he sucks.

SPEAKER_06 9:30

Well, he feels a little intrusive, honestly, to be honest. Like, you know, the mom just kind of like, okay, I'm gonna cut you out, and now I'm gonna paste my perfect husband right in this photo that I took with my children with my old husband. Right, right. There you go. And it feels like an uprooting and it feels selfish almost. So this is definitely a different flip compared to the other movie we're going to be talking about because the ex-wife turns around in the full mounty.

SPEAKER_00 9:57

So I had this thought. So and really I I I kind of was thinking about Sally Fields' character in this and thinking like, you know, imagine being married to Robin Williams, right? And how and how great that could be when he has a lot of money, and and when you're secure in the knowledge that you're not looking for, you that you don't need him to be an earner, right? Or that you don't, you know what I mean? But yet she in the movie, she's like, This, I need this guy to be the other half of this relationship and the other half of this household. And what's he doing? He's fucking off. Right? And so I thought, it, God, it must be imagine Rob Williams is a husband or a dad, but not famous or rich. And that's gotta be kind of fucking scary. It's like, it's like having somebody who can't control their ADHD just fucking popping off at work, you know, like, God damn, this is your fourth job this year, bro. Come on, right, help me out, you know what I mean? So I don't know. That they play it well, Columbus plays it well in this film and makes it a comedy, but like there's a kind of a stark realism where you're like, dude, get a fucking job and hold that shit down. Come on, man. You know, right.

SPEAKER_06 11:10

I understand the point, but the only thing that's sticks with me because I was thinking similar to you, Cliff. The only thing that sticks with me is in the movie she mentions that she fell in love with his jokes and all these things. It's like you knew who he was. You knew who he was because you went to find somebody who was not you, right?

SPEAKER_00 11:31

So yeah, and he tells her that she's changed, and she agrees. Like she's like, Yes, I have fucking changed. And you know, we live in this big we live in this big house in San Francisco, and we need a lot of money to sustain our lifestyle, and I'm making a lot. Why can't you make a lot? Why can't you make a job?

SPEAKER_05 11:45

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00 11:46

Get a job, yeah, yeah. Um, what is it? My one of my favorite lines is when oh, and I'll say this at the point where Daniel moves out and moves away from his family in this film, I feel like at that point the writer could have literally fucking gone anywhere. Like he could have taken this dude into being a fucking psychotic killer because he lost his kit family. You could have taken him into the Mrs. Doubtfire ring, or he could have he could have gone so many different directions. The film feels like there's just this moment of like, what alternate universe are you gonna jump into?

SPEAKER_06 12:17

Right, right.

SPEAKER_00 12:18

Like, which which which path are you gonna take? But so he goes to the the lady who ended up being his like caseworker, and she says, Do you think you're funny? And he said, I used to. So there was a time when I found myself funny, but today you've proven me wrong. Thank you. And it's probably my favorite line in the entire film. It really is just it's perfect, yeah. Cause it's just this perfect moment where like he's he's not gonna give up. Like he's like, I don't care if you think I'm funny or not. Like I'm just I you know, I'm gonna be who I am, which I complet I completely adore.

SPEAKER_06 12:52

You know, it's it's it's a really poignant part that you mentioned too, because you really you see a struggle here. Did did did the mom figure make a good choice? The children suffer, they're they're in pain, and she I assume feels like this pain will just go on, but it's like she kind of just leaves them in a lurch in a way. I I feel like that emotional uh baggage, just like bye, see ya, hope you enjoy you know the next state you're moving to. I feel like there is that, and so you could really that reflective statement of you've proven me, you know, that I'm not funny if you're not funny, yeah. It's there, it's there.

SPEAKER_00 13:30

And what does mom do to deal with the kids in their emotional state? She hires a nanny, right?

SPEAKER_06 13:35

She leaves them off. They, you know what, they they had a schedule though. They had a schedule of things they like to do with their dad, and she she kind of tore their schedule, which is where I come up with selfish, because now you're you're not thinking of your children, you're thinking of just you.

SPEAKER_03 13:52

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 13:54

Here's that part.

SPEAKER_03 13:55

Yeah, she's always at work, she doesn't know the schedule. He's already doing the Mr. Mom at home thing.

SPEAKER_06 14:01

Right, right, right.

SPEAKER_00 14:04

Marty, um, how did you think about what did you think about the driving stuff in this?

SPEAKER_03 14:11

Oh, uh, it's fine because it's the old old school, you know, the rear projection and the driving down the street.

SPEAKER_00 14:17

But there were a couple of times where I was like, ooh, that that rear projection, that projection.

SPEAKER_03 14:21

That's okay. It's rough. It's a little rough. You mentioned driving and you mentioned alternate realities of the movie. My alternate reality is at the end when he gets the kids in the car and he drives off, and they never hear from him ever again. Nothing you know terrible, but I'm thinking that's more like your one-hour photo, Robin Bloom. Oh, that's so good. It's just like, oh yeah, bye, bye.

SPEAKER_01 14:52

That's fucking hilarious.

SPEAKER_03 14:55

The creepy ending. Yeah, it was just like that's too weird. You know, I've also thought it was funny when he finally gets his own place and they're ragging on it, but I'm thinking that's a pretty decent size. Well, then you're doing alright. Big ass apartment, man.

SPEAKER_06 15:11

Expensive in San Francisco? I mean, very expensive. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 15:16

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you did something right there.

SPEAKER_06 15:18

Right.

SPEAKER_00 15:19

Um another one of my favorite lines comes up. I am Chubb.

SPEAKER_06 15:25

Oh no, his accent.

SPEAKER_00 15:27

Oh my god, dude. I am Chub. Position's already been filled. Click. That's so good. That's so good. That whole that whole thing, that whole the the thing I'll say about this movie is Chris Columbus is very smart. He knows what he he knows what he's got in his hands talent-wise. He knows Sally, he knows Sally Fields plays well off of people. He knows that Robin Williams needs this space to improv and kind of go off and pop off. Right.

SPEAKER_05 15:54

Right.

SPEAKER_00 15:54

So he so he builds them into the story. All right, we're gonna have a whole house cleaning sequence. You're gonna do risky business with the with the this and that and so on. We're gonna do this whole job getting sequence where you're on the phone calling constantly. We're gonna do this early sequence with the bird and the cartoon, and we're gonna do the makeup sequence with Harvey Feisteen, where you get to just fucking go off with all these, you know, the matchmake 'em, matchmake 'em, make. It's perfect. It's so good. And Columbus is very, very smart to really, he's like, not, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna curb my talent and try to force it into a box. I'm gonna let that shit out and you know, figure out how to constructively put it on screen and not make it seem manic or out of control, right? It doesn't, it, you know, he plays it perfectly where when he goes really off, it's usually not good for him. When he goes manic and goes kind of kind of really nuts, it's usually doesn't play in his favor very well. You know, it's when he's misses stout fire and he's in control and he's doing what he's supposed to do that you know his is uh it seems like things go well for him.

SPEAKER_06 16:55

I totally think that's an actually really excellent observation, Cliff, because yes, when he is himself, did I mean Robin Williams, he he just he shined, he shined, and you didn't need anything else there because I mean it it just was so natural, and that's why I feel like this movie has that heart.

SPEAKER_00 17:15

Yeah, yeah. Oh, definitely a ton of heart in this film.

SPEAKER_03 17:19

Um you get to that ending part, and it's more of the sitcom logic of it, I call, where it's like Mrs. Doubtfire is not feeling well tonight. You have to have dinner by yourself. Okay, see you, Mrs. Doubtfire, change in yourself and get your job. But that would be too easy, wouldn't it? And you would save your sprows in from choking on the shrimp that was your fault in the first place for putting the pepper on there. Well, you know, it's funny. Also, we had an obsession with putting people in fat suits after this movie for a bit, right? There was things like The Nutty Professor, House.

unknown 17:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:58

We've kind of drifted away from that in more recent years, but it was a thing for a bit. Oh, the Austin Powers movies did it for a bit. And wasn't this character called Fat Bastard, which they say in the full Monty, like how many times do they call him Fat Bastard? It's just true.

SPEAKER_05 18:14

It's true.

SPEAKER_00 18:14

But I Fat Bastard. No, it's a good, it's a good digression. You're you're you're I think you're spot on. Um, so imagine that this is here's here's another crazy thought. Imagine this is Tootsie Part 2.

SPEAKER_02 18:28

Oh, yeah, I like this more than Tootsie. I did.

SPEAKER_00 18:30

Okay. But imagine it's part two. It's a it's a direct sequel to Tootsie. And Hoffman married uh what's her name, right? And they had three kids, and then she went and became an interior decorator because the soap opera killed her off. And then he but he continues to just be Hoffman in his career and you know, just be a shithead who can't continue to get work. Right. And you've got Tootsie Part 2 all of a sudden. Yeah, and then he then he decides to then he decides to put the Tootsie outfit back on to get back with his kids and be the it's perfect. Look at me. In an alternate universe, this is Tootsie Part 2, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_03 19:04

That's a very good observation because I could see it's like I'm gonna fool him again, you know.

SPEAKER_00 19:08

I mean he puts on what's the what's the what's this what's the girl's what's the woman's uh character's name that he puts on? What's her name in the show? Did he do it? Dorothy, Dorothy. Dorothy, yeah. He puts on the Dorothy outfit again and goes full Dorothy. That's fucking full metal Dorothy.

SPEAKER_01 19:24

He becomes very medical this time.

unknown 19:28

I'm looking at it.

SPEAKER_00 19:30

Uh and and and I when I had that thought, uh, I literally wrote on my notes and now I can't stop laughing because I laughed for a good five minutes as soon as I had that. Like I had to pause the movie and just get that out because it was to me one of the funniest things I've thought of in a while, and that's me being me.

SPEAKER_03 19:46

But yeah, anyway. So who is who is the hero of the movie? Is it the judge? No, I'm being so.

SPEAKER_06 19:54

I don't know. I that's a difficult question. Who's the hero?

SPEAKER_03 19:59

Well, everybody's got their unique flaws too. Everybody's kind of human. So they're they're doing things that a a normal human wouldn't do, you know, putting on a bodysuit and the and the leatherface mask and all this over and over again. But they're still human at their at their core. That's what makes it relatable, I guess.

SPEAKER_06 20:17

Yeah, I guess so. I mean, I think that the real hero is maybe a a a message, a moral message. He does stay true to himself. And through that, his children, through example, they they soldier through. And that that gives them the strength to keep going, and that's heroic. That's very they all have their own bout of heroism to keep to keep uh a face when they go to school, to to be, you know, nice to their mom still, even though they're angry at her. They still think of her like, oh, I do see my mom is feeling happier. They mention that, you know. So I think there's uh heroism in each character, actually.

SPEAKER_03 20:56

And it doesn't wrap up in a perfect bow at the end, you know. I mean, it's kind of a happy ending. It's not a happy ending, you know. It's definitely not back together.

SPEAKER_00 21:04

Nobody's back together. The family unit's still broken and all that type of stuff.

SPEAKER_03 21:07

And yet, things are working better than that.

SPEAKER_00 21:10

I'd say it's a poignant, very poignant ending for sure. Like it definitely pulls up the heartstrings just right. Um the the I MAGA must hate this movie. That's uh it hit me. Like, this is a this is the whole man and dressed up left like a woman. It's gotta they've gotta like they've gotta be like, this is terrible. I I hate this movie, right? I mean, you know. They have to hate this movie, right? It makes me it makes me happy that they're like, well, we can fuck. We can't we can't like this Robin Williams movie anymore. He's dressed up like a woman. Shit. I don't know. It makes me happy.

SPEAKER_03 21:47

I don't think anybody thought about it like that back then, right? The same for Tootsie. There's a few badly timed jokes in this one that Tootsie didn't have at all, but it's still like it's a product of. Of its time too, where you know, the fear of the you know, man dressed like a woman thing.

SPEAKER_00 22:07

But it's very one of my other favorite moments in the movie is when he's at the bar drinking, watching Pierce Brosma, his family is just kind of you know fuming, sitting there at the bar, and that girl walks up to get a drink and he goes, uh put that on my 10. She's in his regular voice, and she's like, Uh, no thanks. He's wearing a makeup, right? Dude, you were wearing a woman's, what are you doing? I'm like, what? Why is grandma? Hilariously, it's really funny.

SPEAKER_03 22:31

You know, he probably has the best hair in the movie as Mrs. Doubtfire. A lot of the other characters, the hairstyles haven't really aged that well. What's taking me out of this movie? Oh, it's the hair.

unknown 22:43

It's the hair.

SPEAKER_03 22:46

That's part of the thing.

SPEAKER_00 22:48

I think that the reveal uh to the two older kids is crucial. Yes. Uh to the to selling the movie and to making to to because you're you're asking the audience, like we would do in every movie, to suspend their disbelief. And and you know, sometimes the movie asks you too much, and sometimes it doesn't give you enough so that you can suspend your disbelief. This one does pretty well up until a point where it's like, these older kids are gonna fucking figure this out at some point. You know, they're not, I mean, kids 12, 13, 14 are not stupid. You know, the little one, sure, the seven-year-old, yeah, you could probably fool her for a while.

SPEAKER_03 23:20

After a while, it's like, you smell like my dad.

SPEAKER_00 23:23

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So, or you know, the eyes or the bridge of the nose or something's gonna give you away, or the makeup's gonna creep or something. And so you so you so you so you reveal to them early and you bring them into the story and they become conspirators, right? And then you just have to fool the little girl, which is should be pretty easy. And and now you just gotta keep mom you know fooled and everything's fine, and they get to hang out. Now they get to hang out with their dad, right? Which is kind of cool. Um but yeah, I think that that's crucial, and and I like the fact that it plays to the kids' awareness and that you know kids aren't dumb.

SPEAKER_06 23:57

Yeah, I think it's a unique perspective, and I I think you need this moment to give a little bit of a moment, you know, like that that shock, like dad is that's you, and then like it's like everything in the movie I think changes from that point on. They like have a sense of comfort, and they feel like little adults too, because like they're watching out for their little sister, and so I think it's a cute moment, too.

SPEAKER_00 24:21

Yeah, well, it changes too. Like you notice, like at first when Mrs. Dauphur is like, go do your homework, and they're all fuck you, old lady, you know, and then and then now it's dad asking, and they're like, All right, we're gonna go do our homework.

SPEAKER_06 24:32

Right, right, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:34

Different thing. Um, another favorite quote as I hold this cold meat, I'm reminded of Winston. God rest his soul.

SPEAKER_06 24:41

Uh it's not even a British accent, it's right from his head. It's like this Scottish fusion, right?

SPEAKER_00 24:51

Yeah, well, and I love that Brazanan kind of digs at it. He's like, Where's that accent from exactly? You know, and here and there. It's so good.

SPEAKER_06 25:00

With his hood art ornament, how about that?

SPEAKER_03 25:05

It's it's funny. I've only seen this movie twice before. I haven't seen it in about 30 years. Meanwhile, Cliff hasn't memorized. Oh, I've seen it twice so many times. When I watch it in this keeps happening on this podcast, which is kind of interesting, and hopefully I'm doing it to Cliff as well. We're giving each other movies to watch that we're not as familiar with that the other person is inspired by, and then we go, oh, so that's where that little piece in our movie comes from. Like at this point, I remember there's a scene where Eric's doing air guitar on a broom in Revenge of Zoe, and I was like, wow, that feels very Mrs. Doubtfire-ish.

SPEAKER_00 25:46

It very much is.

SPEAKER_03 25:48

The second movie, uh, Full Monty, another one I haven't watched in 30 years, that Cliff's probably more familiar with. They're constantly practicing the hot stuff, which is a song we use as a filler for our dance number while we were recording it on set. So it's like, oh, I guess these movies are living rent-free in his head, and I'm not knowing little things that I only know, and so it's kind of the neat thing about the collaboration.

SPEAKER_00 26:14

Yeah. Uh it's a 90s movie. It's very much a 90s movie. You know, early 90s. It's almost 80s, yeah. It's it's no, it's that early 90s. It's got that 93 to 96 feel all over it. It's uh 92 to 96, probably, I'd say. Now, because I agree with you. I think 91, possibly into 92, is still kind of 89-ish, still Terminator 2-ish, that type of shit. Still Robocop. This is like Demolition Man, right? Yeah, this is getting towards its own 90s feel, and and um it's it's also, I'll say this, and and I I think that this is important, um, because there's so few of them. It's another one of these holiday movies where where especially if you're in the Midwest and you go to your dad's house or your you know, your uncle's house, and there's a shitload of cousins and your aunts, and they're all kind of probably a little conservative.

SPEAKER_03 27:11

Well, you just said they might not like this anymore.

SPEAKER_00 27:14

You can possibly throw this on. This along with like my cousin Vinny and the Martian. These are movies that you can throw on, and that anybody, anybody, you know, your uncle Joe is not gonna be like, oh god damn, you know, and jump up and go running out of. You know, the blind side is another one that you can throw on. That's an easy family classic. Right. That you just that's just it's just it's it's you know, it's not gonna offend anybody. It's it's you know, not too abrasive. Um, anyway, yeah, I think it's that this is one of those type of movies that falls right into that category. What language do they speak in England? Pakistani? Again, this is ridiculous.

SPEAKER_03 27:56

But yeah, you're right. It does feel like they're like, we're gonna take that Tootsie template and we're gonna kind of update it and mix it around because there were some similarities. These that he's the out-of-work actor, he's at the TV station. It just feels like an evolution of that, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 28:11

It feels like next next version of it to a certain extent. And and you're I mean, it's you're right. It it's weird. We got into these several of these type of men in women suits type of movies, you know, Big Mama's house, you know, and uh the Tropic Thunder making fun of it with the Tropic Thunder, yeah. They're but they're finally making fun of it. Yeah, it had become meta. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 28:39

Um I guess the other things were kind of newer at the time to be able to do that kind of prosthetic and have it be realistic, right? In 93, it was like, oh wow, look at that. He's really in a in a suit.

SPEAKER_00 28:53

Well, the trivia is that he he went into an adult uh store to buy something and walked in and walked out with having purchased probably a feminine, like a dildo or something like that, I think was the was the rumor that he walked, you know, just went in and in full Mrs. Doubtfire, and nobody said a damn thing.

SPEAKER_05 29:12

Nobody exactly.

SPEAKER_00 29:16

What are you gonna say to someone woman who's like, oh, can I see the dildos, please?

SPEAKER_03 29:20

You know, did they do that when they were testing out the makeup for the white chicks movie? I'm glad that they never made a sequel to this. They just phone, it's just there and it's its own thing, and I think it's perfectly leave it like it is.

SPEAKER_05 29:40

Yeah, yeah, I agree.

SPEAKER_03 29:42

We could have had 12 Doubtfire movies by now. Somebody else playing this as Doubtfire, and they're just like, oh, please stop making these. But no, they only made the one. And it's very rare that something is such a big hit. They're like, it doesn't have to be a franchise. Meanwhile, some writing notes right now, you know.

SPEAKER_06 30:00

Yeah, I think it's actually a really unique thing that it just stands alone, it's good, don't touch it, and leave it alone. I feel like if you kept like milking this concept, you're you're just gonna you're gonna lose everything. You're gonna lose how you felt when you first saw it. You're just not I I feel like they would have taken it somewhere else, like, oh, the kids grow up, and maybe there's a conflict with him now, and then like it uh, why? Why? We don't need this.

SPEAKER_00 30:25

No, I I can see it as like eventually the son is is is in the Mrs. Doubtfire costume and his dad's trying to tell him not to, but he's the only way you get to be with his kids and so on and so forth.

SPEAKER_06 30:36

That could be something too, yeah, but it's it's too much.

SPEAKER_00 30:38

It's it's way too much. It becomes diminishing returns very quickly.

SPEAKER_06 30:42

Right.

SPEAKER_00 30:42

But I also get it. I mean, this movie$25 million to make this movie, it made$220 million. Oh, wow. You know, and so the studio was like, Can we fire this? I mean, I get it. Like, let's do this again. And Rob's had good smartly. They were like, no, no, no, no, not doing that.

SPEAKER_06 30:56

Right. Yeah. Classic.

SPEAKER_03 30:58

Yeah, we worked at the movie theater when this was out, so I was cleaning up theaters after the trial. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_00 31:05

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Absolutely. Um, I remember, in fact, I was I was in the theater for some reason, and I had this flash, and you know, that scene where he's walking across the street, and that dude tries to grab his purse and he's like, Give me this! You know, just rips it away from the dude. Like the audience is howling. Like they thought that was extremely funny. I remember going, Wow, that's a big reaction for that.

SPEAKER_06 31:28

You know, it's great though, because it's it's shocking, and probably it's like um an inner woman, like women want to be able to do that, and it was a man, so he has a lot of like authority when he like speaks with his deeper voice, which he pulls out when that happens. So I think it's like women like, oh god, that's gonna be me next time. And he the guy broke the purse. Oh, I can't believe terrible, but a good shopping day. There's that.

SPEAKER_03 32:05

Um what do you think, Marty? What do you give it? I mean, you all give me a better perspective on the film. I give it a two and a half out of five. It's never been a huge favorite of mine. I've always thought Robin Williams was so talented, and they always gave him these weird movies to be in, by and large, that didn't really showcase a lot of what he had to do. But watching this one again, it's like, like you said earlier, it's just a vehicle for him to do craziness for two and a half hours, and then it just kind of ends. But I enjoyed it for that. And also hearing how both of you enjoy the film makes me look at it a little bit differently as well. So yeah, I I enjoy it more than I did going into it.

unknown 32:47

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 32:50

Uh, I think it's three and I'd give it three and a half. I think it's um, I mean, I I wouldn't say it's you know, oh, these it's classic cinema and it's one of the top 100 films of all time, but I think it's eminently rewatchable, I think it's very funny, uh, and it pays off. It can't like you know, you you know, you go back to this film and there's still something funny to find. You know, I no matter how many times I watched the movie, watching him and Harvey Feirstein do the whole makeup thing is always funny, you know. Whereas he's like, Well, I've got plaster appearance, and you know, well, can we go this way? And he's like, Oh, honey, I don't have the strength. You know, and there's just like a whole there's a whole bit thing, a routine there. And they feel very comfortable with each other in that scene going back and forth. It feels very like you've got Firerstein who's done Broadway, and you've got Rob Williams, who's a classically trained Juilliard actor, and they're just like pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa- pow back and forth. So anyway, I think it pays off, I think it plays well, and and uh yeah, three and a half for me. What do you think?

SPEAKER_06 33:48

Okay, so I'm like at a 4.8 out of five. I love I love this movie for the premise that the actor can be an actor and just be themselves. I feel like it's a freedom to create and to perform without restriction, and that's why the emotions feel so real to me. Um so it it is for me on my top, but I can see, you know, both of your perspectives um, you know, the the flaws, like let's say the ending, you feel like it just falls for you, Marty. So I I can see these these, you know, areas, but for me to see people be able to just perform and you know they're loving it, and you see the intensity um between Sally Field and Robin Williams when they're fighting, you you feel it. You feel and you know that this some of this is a little off script because you you see it in their eyes. That those moments by moments by moments are so real, and I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_00 34:43

Yeah, I I get that. Um, I think most people would call this four to five stars. I think, you know, and I think most people I I mean heck, when we do our season recast, I may even go higher because I think, like you mentioned, you know, they put Robin Williams in a lot of weird vehicles trying to figure out what worked for him, you know, everything from Morgan Mindy into Popeye, which was terrible, and and this really worked for him. I feel like this voicing Aladdin really worked for him. You know, they found certain things, and and so when you look at, especially when you look at the the the uh this trajectory of his work. I I mean to me, I think the crazy part is that his best work is his dramatic work.

SPEAKER_03 35:23

I mean he wanted to do more of that, but there was like so funny in it, you know.

SPEAKER_00 35:27

When you yeah, you know, and he I love him when he's funny. I love his stand-up and I and I love his I love that type of thing, but I I feel like when he you know hit Goodwill Hunting level of stuff where it was like, Jesus, he can really act. Like he's not just this manic dude, he can really act.

SPEAKER_03 35:40

That's what makes this movie work is those moments where the drama comes through, he's playing it so real. Yeah, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The clown becomes real for a minute. That's what I'm saying. You guys are making me like the movie more.

SPEAKER_00 35:54

I see it from a bit of a little bit of a little bit of a little that's not the second. I mean, we we did that with um the Hoys came on, and they brought a film that Marty and I both were like, hell no, no, no, no, no. But by the time we got finished talking to them about it, we're like, oh, I kind of see what you mean. Like I didn't know. And I brought it and brought my I brought my rating up by quite a bit because at first I was like, this was nothing but just a panic attack in an hour and 45-minute movie. Like I just it was it was it's called, what was it called? Um Give Me Liberty, yeah. Give me liberty. Yeah, that one should have been released a few minutes ago in that part. I mean, if you ever see Uncut Gems?

SPEAKER_06 36:31

No.

SPEAKER_00 36:32

So it's kind of like Uncut Gyms, where the the movie just proceeds to build tension and build tension and build tension until you're finally like you know, like you find yourself holding your breath and being like, Jesus Christ, come on, you know, and it's one of those, and and um just so in your face and insanely that I was just like, I don't like this at all. I think Marty had the same reaction. I was like, dude, this what is with this aggressive fucking movie rewards? I feel like I'm getting punched in the face by this movie.

SPEAKER_06 37:01

You guys wouldn't like the 40s movies then, or like anything back with like acne because like there's like a tension, tension, and then it just ends.

SPEAKER_00 37:10

I mean, I I it's like I so you know, uh like um good fellas.

unknown 37:17

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 37:18

Tension builds and builds and builds. You get especially when he gets into the coke and and he's being followed by the cops and all that stuff. That's that was like the the entire movie. It's like there it I think my biggest problem with it was like there was nowhere to go. It's like a plate of food where everything tastes the same. There's there's nowhere to go for relief. There's no there's no nuance. Yeah, yeah, there's no crunch, there's no brightness, there's no acid, there's no sweetness, there's nothing. It's just bam, the same thing over and over.

SPEAKER_06 37:47

Are you a gastro pup? You you like you like acids and the crunch and the I like some foods.

SPEAKER_00 37:56

I like some foods. I've eaten some pretty good restaurants um at times, yes. And so, yeah, but I mean, and I I I I'm not one of these people that's like you gotta have all that in a plate, but it's nice to have some relief to go somewhere, right?

SPEAKER_06 38:09

Absolutely, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:10

Yeah, so yeah, yeah. Gastro pub. Let's move on. All right. What are we what's the next one there, Marty?

SPEAKER_03 38:17

Okay, so we go from the early 90s to more of the late 90s, 93 and 97. What a an interesting week to plot back in. It's like I walk out of Blockbuster video with two tapes, you know, it's at the same time.

SPEAKER_00 38:33

And uh here's one that I have is literally just being able to walk the new release section at Blockbuster A through Z just eternally. And the movies change. Yeah. So yeah, sorry.

SPEAKER_03 38:44

And one day I was walking those aisles and said, Oh, the full Monty, this is supposed to be good. Rented that, took it home. That was around 98, I guess, because the movie had been out for a year. And it's another one of those movies that I have a false memory of watching it earlier, but I couldn't have because the movie did not exist yet. You ever get that sometimes you think back and it's like, wait, that doesn't compute.

SPEAKER_00 39:05

But anyways, I watched that the same summer I watched blah blah blah.

SPEAKER_03 39:09

Yeah, what is what is the full Monty, Cliff? I mean, we know what the full Monty is, but what is what is this movie called the Full Monty?

SPEAKER_00 39:16

Well, you know, well, first I'll start off with you know what the full Monty is because of this movie. Six unemployed steelworkers form a male striptease act. The women cheer them on to go for the full Monty, which means total nudity. Uh let me read you that. That's the log line here. Let me read you the storyline. Uh in the decaying, oh, this is a long one. All right, uh, in the decaying steel town of Sheffield in North England, friends Gaz and Dave, both now unemployed, and on the dole after the closure of most of the town's steel mills, steal scrap metal from the closed mills to supplement their meager income. Often with Gaz's 12-year-old son Nathan uh on the days that Gaz still has custody.

SPEAKER_03 39:55

That's what they're doing with those beams in the beginning. Okay, I didn't even catch that.

SPEAKER_00 40:00

That's why I yelled at him when he dropped it. And he told me, man, that's 20, that's 20, that's 20 bucks.

SPEAKER_03 40:05

I thought it was the way they could walk past over the water, but anyways.

SPEAKER_00 40:09

So Gaz is behind in child support payments to his ex-wife Mandy, and Mandy threatens to sue for full custody if Gaz can't support Nathan in in any way. Um Gaz sees a long lineup of women clamoring to get in to see a young touring Chippendale-style dance troupe and thinks he can solve his financial and custody problems by forming his own male exotic dance troupe with some of his fellow unemployed ex-mill workers. In addition to Dave, he has in mind middle-aged Gerald, their formal foreman, who has not told his spinning happy wife Linda that he is unemployed for six months, and Lumper, a mild-mannered security guard, who they must just met in the act of him trying to commit suicide in his depression. The obvious problem is that with the exception of Gerald, who knows how to ballroom dance, they're not generally stripper material in either in look, skill, or temperament, especially slightly overweight Dave, who has body images and believes his wife Jean has a wandering eye because of what he considers his unappealing looks. In an open casting amongst those at the employment office, they are able to record further misfits Horse, an older man who does know the contemporary dances of his era, and younger guy who can't dance and can't sing but loves singing in the rain and has a natural gift below the belt. Um, the lunchbox has arrived. Beyond the many obstacles in being able to put together a dance strip act that women would pay to see, they have to overcome their own individual issues, gases which include Nathan, who loves his father, but with who he just wants to do normal father-son activities. And what is normal? Well, it's definitely not watching your dad strip in front of a bunch of screaming women. So I don't, I mean child protective services once again in both films. He doesn't get his wish because he's not doing normal shit with his dad, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_06 41:46

It's definitely a stark contrast to uh Mrs. Dalfire because you know, you can you could you could feel for Mrs. Dowfire, right? You could feel, and then you know, when you see the full Monty, you you question things. You question a lot of things. Like, why is Lunchbox hitting himself running towards a wall?

SPEAKER_00 42:08

Because he's trying to he's he's trying to do the uh the the walk of the right Donald O'Connor bit, you know, with the uh he did it more than once.

SPEAKER_06 42:15

Twice, twice.

SPEAKER_00 42:17

One of my notes is buddy, if you're gonna do that in comedy, you gotta do it three times. It's the rule of three. You gotta do it three times. Where's my third run up the wall and smack yourself? I didn't I didn't get it.

SPEAKER_06 42:29

Yeah, but it it really is a contrast. And believe it or not, I I like Dave as a character. I know Gaz is the main character, I know, but I like Dave.

SPEAKER_00 42:39

He's I think he has more to do in the film, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 42:43

There's depth. There's a lot of depth that was grown and grown. I don't feel like Gaz really grows as a character in the full month either way. Dave does, he he struggles with a body image issue that is very deep, very conveyed, and unique. You don't see men with a body issue, and I love how his wife supports him. Oh, they have them. It's it's a beautiful moment in the movie, um, definitely.

SPEAKER_00 43:08

I agree. Uh in fact, there's you know that moment where he's laying in bed with his wife and he gets up and he sneaks out into the shed and he eats easy in a candy bar and starts wrapping himself a surround. And what I note is that that is the saddest, one of the saddest fucking things I've ever seen. You know, and and and uh as a guy who's been on the bigger side most of his life at times, you know, half here and half there, that's tough, man. It's it it messes with your head, and especially like dieting is just it's just uh such a weird thing in general. You know, it's such a a a weird concept. Um when you know what you really need to do is eat better and you know be more active, that type of thing. So wrapping yourself in saran wrap or you know, whatever, doing your keto weird card count thing that you do or whatever. It's just I don't know. It's uh it's it's It's pretty wild. It can it can lead you to some weird head spaces for sure.

SPEAKER_06 44:03

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_00 44:05

I think sh I think showing that saran wrap is a perfect example of that room because he just he just looks like a sad fucking, you know, just a the saddest sack where there where he's just you know.

SPEAKER_06 44:16

This is what I gotta do. It's visual, it's visual, but I like how he finds a way. He finds a way that satisfies him as a person. And I love how his wife is about to walk out and she's like, you know, she thinks he's like cheating and all this up, and and and then it's like this moment where he's like, nah, this is this is what this is. I think it's beautiful, and I feel like Gaz, we don't reach that moment, we don't kind of reach that throughout there with the same development.

SPEAKER_00 44:45

No, I think I mean I think he finally gets his kid to be sort of proud of him, which is his to a certain extent. His whole goal, his whole goal is to make a real connection with his son. One of my notes is um it's tough to watch him so desperately trying to connect with his son early on in the film where he's like it's sort of awkward and heartbreaking. It's funny, yeah, but it's also sort of where you're like, he's like, oh, I you know, he does not gonna get tickets to fucking Arsenal and menu. Those are expensive ass tickets. He's not pulling that off, yeah. But he's desperate to do anything that he can to get this kid to like him, you know. And you know, it it it but at the same time, he's like they're warming up takeout food on the the warm car thing, and the kids like, I don't like Chinese food. He's like, Yeah, of course you do, don't you? What? No, it's like right.

SPEAKER_06 45:31

He he doesn't I think this is like a critical thing for me is that we understand, Mrs. Dowfire, why he he wants to be with his kids. What is the want for gas? Is it just because it's his kid? Because it's it's a gap for me. The want is like he does he just want to say I talked to my kid, I'm I you know went out with my kid. This is my kid, I gave birth to you, and so um you're mine? Like, I I don't get the real want.

SPEAKER_00 45:58

Yeah, it yeah, it seems mainly that he's just feels like he's he want, you know, and and again, he's constantly trying to connect with the kid, but it yeah, but there isn't like a it's not spelled out. You're right, it's more like a that's my son, I'm his father type of yeah, black and white.

SPEAKER_06 46:13

This and that, that's it.

SPEAKER_00 46:15

Um you're just gonna stand there while some poof is waving his tackle at your missus. Um it one of my favorite things is where he's he's sitting in the bathroom and he watches that woman pee standing up and they're all laughing. And and it it he's just like he goes, and and later on he's in the the the job club with the boys, and he's just shaking his head, and you can just see he's this fucking stunned look on his face, like he's like, we're not even needed now, are we? Like fucking, they could pee standing up, dude. They've evolved, like we're we're fucking pointless, like it's over for us, guys. And like peeing standing up to him is the evolution, like the well, at least that separates us, you know, and and even that is now fucked in some weird way. And I I it makes me laugh every time. Every time we get to where he's he's just got this dumbfounded, fucking paradigm-shifted look on his face, where he's just like his whole world is taking on a completely different hue, and it fucking makes me laugh hysterically. It really does. It's so good.

SPEAKER_03 47:18

I guess that happens, that must be his arc, right? That happens to him through the whole movie. His view is shattered, so even at the end, where he has finally made some kind of connection with his son. Like it was like, I need to do this because I'm a father and it's the right thing to do, but I don't know why I'm doing it, and the kid almost doesn't know why, and then they finally figure out why, kind of at the end.

SPEAKER_06 47:39

Yeah, you know, I felt like his kid invested in the performance, so he better fucking go on. I mean, a hundred bucks. He and he's an investor now, right? So I felt like he needs to go on totally.

SPEAKER_00 47:52

I put a hundred bucks on the line. You get your ass out there and shake your butt.

SPEAKER_06 47:56

Shake it.

SPEAKER_00 47:57

That's hilarious. Um, I love the how they build their entourage because they end up with an entourage, they end up with that reservoir dog's walk, you know, down the street, and and it's an entourage. And and um, we're we're fans of that show on the show. But uh, I love how like first they meet Lumper, uh the the uh guy who plays the trumpet and he's trying to he's trying to kill himself in the car, and yeah, Mark Gatty's character is just like, Oh, let me help you out, and he's oh, it's your HDLs. There you go, it should be good, and you know, and then he reel it gets away and he reeled, oh shit, he runs back and pulls the guy out, and first thing he says is, Oh, you bastard, and he's like, Fuck you, and he shoves him back in the car and closes the door. That's so good.

SPEAKER_06 48:39

Yeah, it's fulfilling. That part is fulfilling.

SPEAKER_00 48:42

Really good. Um there is a moment though, like after they save him and they're like, you know, don't tell us we're not your mates, and they're trying to figure out better ways for him to kill himself, you know. And like, well, you're not very keen, are you? Like, this is that's the whole room. Well, I can't swim. He's like, That's the fucking point in drowning, you idiot. You know, but then he goes home and he catches his mom kind of making her way up the stairs, and he picks her up and he drags up and she says, Um, I thought you'd gone. And I thought, oh fuck, that that moment has a lot more weight to it. After, you know, that's a really nice moment there where you you put a lot of weight and emphasis on what he did, right? Like how close she came to yeah, he was fucking gone.

SPEAKER_06 49:22

Right. It it gives him a lot of purpose, and it gives you the what if you didn't exist sort of scenario. What if you didn't exist? Would she be dead tomorrow? Because she relies. So it it's like his uh godly purpose was shown to him.

SPEAKER_00 49:37

Yeah, and it turns it turns it away from a throwaway moment of just seeing him come home and to something that has some impact. Yeah, there's a lot of depth throughout the whole movie, everything's pretty well rounded, and just it's definitely doing more than just telling you the story that show it's telling you. Like, and that's I'll say, you know, Mrs. Doubtfire is kind of doing that too, where it's trying to deal with family dynamics and you know, blended families and stuff like that, and trying to find some comedy and some kind of common ground there. I think the like both of these pictures are doing that.

SPEAKER_03 50:08

Broken home week on talking about comedy.

SPEAKER_00 50:14

Uh I love the scene where where he's like, uh, here, put on hot chocolate and I'll show you guys what a sexy dance is. And they put on, you know, and he's and he burns, you know, he burns his t-shirt with a cigarette, and the kid the dancing's so bad the kid just fucking runs off. The kid's like, oh my god, you're such a freaking embarrassment, and they have to go chase him down. It's so good. That's so good.

SPEAKER_06 50:36

Right. I feel like I feel like the kid is interesting. Um, and maybe it could have been like, I don't know, expounded a little more because I I think there's some like untapped depth there because I feel like he he's like, just just do it. Just if you're gonna do it, just do it. And his dad shows a little bit of like a pussy quality. You're not doing it. If you're gonna tell me that you're gonna do it, do it. And I like that about the kid because um, you know, that's unique. So I feel like I wanted that fulfilled like a tiny bit more, but otherwise, um, I think it's an interesting break from everything else going on.

SPEAKER_00 51:11

I mean, the movie's 90 minutes, like almost to the nose, I think it's 90, 91.

SPEAKER_05 51:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:17

I and you know, with cred with credits, probably 85, 86, right? So I could have I could have probably done with five more minutes of maybe a little kid development of the kid, and maybe a little bit more focused on that that father-son relationship, or at least figuring out who this kid is, maybe maybe figuring out that he gets harassed at school because of who his dad is, or something like that, to kind of bring that in a little bit, maybe, but I do like, but I also do like the fact that it's a tight 90 minutes.

SPEAKER_03 51:43

They're in there out on this. It's like you said about the Piers Brausen in the other film. It's like, no, it leaves you wanting that little more. That's a good point. And it's like, oh, he has that youthful exuberance of I'm fearless, just do it. Oh, I'm older, I'm scared, I'm reserved. No, you need the kid to push you.

SPEAKER_06 52:02

Yeah, yeah, that's a very good point.

SPEAKER_03 52:04

I wonder if there's deleted scenes.

SPEAKER_00 52:06

I imagine, I imagine there might be, yeah. Uh, this is early Tom Holland, too, which I hadn't seen much of him before this, and uh he really makes a meal out of the It was My Job scene. Like he I could see him like taking this script and being like, Oh, there it is. There's the scene I'm gonna fucking take the squirrel for right there. I'm really gonna lean into this shit. And he does. I mean, he he crushes it.

SPEAKER_03 52:29

Like you really feel that. There was a movie we watched that he was in recently for the show. Which what was it?

SPEAKER_00 52:35

Oh lord. Um Tom Wilkinson. My apologies. Yeah, that's okay. Tom Wilkinson. Not Spider-Man. Yeah, not Spider-Man.

SPEAKER_06 52:44

Um, yeah, I was a little confused because I'm like, my bad. We lost this job, and I don't think it's the same.

SPEAKER_00 52:50

Holler out, call me an idiot, it's fine. Uh Tom Wilkinson. Um, it wasn't King's Speech, it wasn't uh I'm looking through his list trying to find it.

SPEAKER_03 53:05

It was something we watched on for the show just a few weeks ago. As I was looking up his IMDB as well. Why I should write these things down.

SPEAKER_00 53:15

Yeah, we well, we should do more research. We're terrible at this. Of course, I'm gonna edit this anyways. So uh not Shakespeare and Law Rush Hour. Rush Hour. He's Jintao in fucking rush hour. Duh! Of all things. Yeah, he's the bad guy. He's the bad British guy in rush hour. He's the guy that's uh Yeah. Wow, forgotten all about that. Anyway, he's he's really good in this. Um, I think he makes a meal out of that. Like I said, he makes a meal out of that uh It was my job scene. He does a really good job. Um I love the part where uh he has to tell his wife that he's been lying to her for six months and she smashes his gnome.

SPEAKER_06 53:54

You know, I don't like gnomes. He's like, I thought you liked her.

SPEAKER_00 53:57

She's like, nah, fuck, I don't never like gnome, you idiot. You know. Um, I love the auditions when that that fucking guy is almost crying and he's auditioning. That shit is so funny. And he's like, and you shouldn't have a kid here either, you know. And he's putting his clothes back on, and oh my god, and the hor uh horse is great, all that, all that stuff is fantastic.

SPEAKER_06 54:16

Why you called horse?

SPEAKER_00 54:17

Yeah, why you call horse, horse by name, horse by nature. And now, and that at that point you get the gang formed, right? And they start to hang out together and they start to kind of support each other, and you get this um, especially like when they come to repossess fucking Gerald shit, and suddenly all of them show because you know there's that scene where they all have to get you know get undressed in front of each other because it's like if we can't dress in front of each other, we're never gonna be able to do it in front of a thousand screaming women, so let's go off with the kit, you know. And then these dudes come in to take start taking his TV and shit, and here come these five naked dudes, like put that shit down and leave. That's so good. Um, is that a Bob Dylan tune? When they're when they're playing soccer, is that a friggin' Bob Dylan tune, or is that just some weird British song that sounds like a Bob Dylan tune?

SPEAKER_03 55:11

I mean, I know there's a lot of games.

SPEAKER_00 55:13

He said it oh, you broke, you know. It just sounded just like Bob Dylan.

SPEAKER_03 55:16

It was Oh, I missed that one. I guess I was stuck on the hot stuff so much.

SPEAKER_00 55:24

My favorite scene in the movie is them standing in line. Oh yeah, and they realize you get their checks and they're doing their shoulders to hot stuff.

SPEAKER_06 55:32

You know what my favorite scene is actually when they're rehearsing. Um, I love how you just you have that that redhead just like this. He just has his hands up and they have to change everything for him. It's like you don't move, and it doesn't happen. Nothing moves on him. I mean, nothing moves.

SPEAKER_00 55:51

So good.

SPEAKER_06 55:52

How do you do it? How do you do it? Why don't you do it? And but I like how they all come together and they're like, all right, we're just gonna change everything for him, no problem. And he just stands there. Just one move. I love that scene. It's like a friendship sort of thing. This movie has a lot of friendship, I feel.

SPEAKER_00 56:09

It does, it does. There's a lot of bro, uh, a lot of bro stuff, a lot of a lot of good bro vibes in this movie. Um British, British, British bro vibes, prip triple B's, British bro vibes, or BBVs.

SPEAKER_06 56:22

I love how it's also a different part of England. Like we're so used to seeing like a classic London estuary sort of you know, scenes. I love how this is different.

SPEAKER_00 56:32

Sheffles like a smaller, smaller kind of town built around a steel mill and stuff, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 56:36

Cool.

SPEAKER_00 56:37

Um, it does feel that way. It feels very, very much more like real people. Um I think the Brits do for me, they do the kind of uh blue-collar, kind of down on his luck, struggling type of of comedy way better than Americans do. I can't really think of any that aren't super farcical. These like Full Monty at least has some heart to it, and it's at least trying to to do something beyond just be a silly comedy. True. True. Um, and I think that for some reason the Brits tend to do that better than us. I don't know why that is. It's like that way. They're drier, they're drier. Yeah, they're drier.

SPEAKER_06 57:16

Yeah, yeah. The the dryness allows you to go into normal speaking because it's just like, oh yeah, I just tried to, you know, suffocate in a car, and tomorrow I'm going to work.

SPEAKER_00 57:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 57:26

It's just it does sensationalize the comedy. Nothing's sensationalized, it's just continuous.

SPEAKER_03 57:35

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I I agree with that. No, I've never I've never seen Magic Mike, but yeah, how does that relate to is it the similar story? Is it not the same at all?

SPEAKER_00 57:48

I know. I I mean I think Magic Mike is just about a group of stripping, guys who strip. It's not it's not about building a strip group. Um the the practice dance, the practice dance is amazing where he's where horse is like, oh shit, my niece is here, damn it, you know, and they end up stripping. And then suddenly two of them are gay, which uh I don't have a problem with, but I just it didn't, I didn't, I don't really I remember the first time watching this going, that's kind of out of left field. I didn't really see it coming.

SPEAKER_03 58:17

And I also like how it's just like anything else, like with the exact movie continues. Well, and their friends don't even mention it, nobody knows a problem with it.

SPEAKER_00 58:27

I like I said, I don't either. It's just I I I just didn't pick up any indicators of it, right? Like I didn't see any glances or whatever. Nobody calls them saggy tits. I mean, you know, I mean, why would you want to date somebody you call saggy tits? Yeah, I exactly that's what I meant. There didn't seem to be any foreshadowing to it.

SPEAKER_06 58:46

But maybe that's real, you know. People just kind of fall in love, people just kind of like each other, and they just kind of looked at each other in that way.

SPEAKER_00 58:54

They did have that great moment, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 58:56

I like you, and I think that it was so real and very British. Just keep going on, keep moving.

SPEAKER_00 59:01

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 59:02

So even though it felt stark, you can understand that Stark.

SPEAKER_00 59:05

Stark is a perfect example. That's a perfect way to put it.

SPEAKER_06 59:08

People just like each other, no matter what.

SPEAKER_00 59:10

So Stark, I I quite liked it. I thought it was a great way to handle it, where it was like, look, we're not gonna dwell on it, it's not a huge part of the story. Here it is, boom, done.

SPEAKER_06 59:18

Real people, real people, real story, and real uh emotion towards this. Doesn't need to be deep, does it?

SPEAKER_00 59:27

Those cops are asking that kid. So your daddy dances in front of you, does he? He's like, Yeah, yeah. God. Oh god. But at that point, the kid's into it. He wants his dad to succeed. He sees his dad's effort, right? Like he's like, Jesus, this is the first time I've seen my dad do anything that wasn't right illegal.

SPEAKER_06 59:47

Jail.

SPEAKER_00 59:48

You know, that yeah, that wasn't gonna put him in jail, and he's actually putting in effort, and he's focused a bunch of group, you know, he's actually leading a group of people who are all doing it, right? It's not just some solo thing that he's doing. Now he's suddenly uh a leader of men to a certain extent, you know.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:02

Right. Right. I I think that the movie handles um, you know, people who lose their job in a very real way. Uh it's not sugar coated, it's it's real, you know. People feel like shit when this happens, and it shows the lengths people will go to provide. So I think that there's a a a thing on will the viewer judge the characters or be there to support the characters through this. You know, it's an interesting thought that I had.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:48

Well, I think, and I think in Full Monty it's more that he stumbles into it, and uh, you know, having probably been a creative much of his life, but he does stumble into this creative outlet which allows him to.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:58

Yeah, you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:59

I mean, I if I remember correctly, after this movie came out, there were literally actual traveling full Monty strip shows that went around. So it wasn't a I mean this this was a phenomenon in the 90s. This is a three and a half million dollar movie that did 260 million dollars worldwide. It cleaned up.

SPEAKER_05 1:01:17

Wow, wow, wow.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:19

And it had it became a Broadway play, a musical, a regular play. It's it's had uh multiple kind of musical sequels to it. It's uh especially in it's it's considered one of the top 25 British films of all time in Britain.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:35

It's a big one, and it just started as a channel four production of the scene when it gets. I'm like, wow, this starts from the TV roots, and then it got bigger. Now, did they ever make Mrs. Doubtfire into a stage production? I almost feel like there was. Jeez, I wouldn't be surprised at all. But it certainly wasn't what Full Monty did with its stage production, right? I think that's still going in some in some stage touring it. I believe it is, actually. Wow.

SPEAKER_06 1:02:03

I think uh Full Monty though also tells a story of a guy who he gets fired. Where's the loyalty from you know his country with this this happening to him when the whole town depends on this steel you know factory? And he he kind of makes a statement to himself I'm not gonna work for somebody else. I'm gonna work for me. I can fire me. And I think that's a bold statement.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:28

Agreed. I completely agree with that.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:32

Oh, they're steel workers, that's why he's watching the flash dance to get inspired. Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:37

Oh, and I I love how he's like, she's fucking terrible. Well, shut up, Dave. He's like, no, her fucking mix is all decocked. That weld will never fucking hold. Like, shut, Dave, we're not here to watch the welding, you idiot. That's just super tango. So here's an interesting thing about Mrs. Doubtfire. We had talked about sequels. Um, Bonnie Hunt, you know, you guys know Bonnie Hunt is um, she began to develop Mrs. Doubtfire 2.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:02

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:03

Um, and Robin Williams was set to return. Wow. Um, but he was unhappy with the plot in the new script, and and uh basically it got this it kept being capped and put off until finally they he just was like, you guys are never gonna be able to write this. I'm just not gonna do it. And so project was dumped. Oh, maybe they made the right call, you know. I think Robin made the right call where he was like, nah, let's see if if if you're gonna do this, it's gonna have to be as good or better, and they just couldn't come up with it.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:33

Well, that's that's honorable. That doesn't happen too often.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:36

Usually it's like just take the paycheck and especially especially nowadays where I mean Hollywood, if it's not an established IP, then then how can we do a reboot or a sequel? Yeah, neither of these. I don't want to throw my money down the drain on an original idea. Fuck that. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.

SPEAKER_03 1:03:54

Look what these did. These were original ideas.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:58

Well, it's not gonna be it's the 70s and the 80s. It's like, guys, go look at, you know, and then the 90s with indie. It's like if you don't want to put your money into original films, I don't know what the fuck you're doing. Just take a look at A20, take a look at A24's model. You know, you had a studio that spent 180 million dollars on Red One, and A24 went out and made like 15 pictures or 12 pictures for that amount of money. And a couple of them were fucking Oscar nominated.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:24

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:04:24

You know, I what are you doing? Oh I don't get it. Well, anyway, what do you give this one, Cliff? Me? This one? I really like this one. Um, I think it does a lot of things very well. Um, I you know, previously we were talking about how inappropriate it is for a kid to be in a strip club watching men strip, you know, and I agree with you, but for some reason it still comes off. They have they're able to make that shit charming. He's the interest manager at this point. I mean, that's that's that's fucking, you know, and you go, oh look, it's charming. It's fine. It's not a problem at all. We'll call child services. In fact, child services is in the fucking room watching and laughing along with everybody else. So it's fine, it's fine, charming. Fucking it's it's it's one of the some of the greatest sleight of hand, especially for nowadays, you'll ever see. So I'm gonna give it four stars. I think it's right up there.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:14

Yeah, I do three and a half. I'm almost right up there with you. It's just it's excellent. I'd only seen it maybe once before when it was relatively new, and watching it again, it still completely holds up.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:26

It's got a rewatchability factor too. It really is. It's got a decent rewatchability factor. You, what do you think?

SPEAKER_06 1:05:34

I would think a four. I think a four out of five because I feel fulfilled by it. And I feel like if I feel fulfilled by a movie, uh that's enough for me. I don't want to overanalyze things because when you over analyze, it just gets really terrible.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:49

And what is that kid doing in that strip club?

SPEAKER_06 1:05:52

Right. Analyze a serious subject, it's serious. Um, but but there are There's heart, there's friendship, there's themes in here that I don't feel like you see so often. You don't really see like bros just growing.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:09

It's it's hard to do that in a movie without it being like the hangover or something, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:15

Where it's like that one.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:17

It's a great movie, but it's it's sort of like an over-the-top kind of out there comedy. This one, this one is trying to it's a little more subtle in my opinion, right? It's it's doing things in a little more in a little bit more of a subtle way.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:29

That's true.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:30

Reminds me of I Love You Man quite a bit, or I Love You Man is is uh all about uh guy who doesn't have any male friends having to go out in his adulthood and get some male friends because he's getting married and he needs a best man, and so it's uh pretty good. Watch that one too, kids. Jesus. Well, thank you so much for coming on. I think that's that's what we've got here, right? Yeah, yeah. Do you have anything you want to plug?

SPEAKER_06 1:07:00

Um, well, of course. My uh indie micro short film, the mission is complete, Angelique, uh, just won an award. She's screening in India, which is really exciting, global. Um, a few more festivals coming up uh that could be seen on Film Freeway. And Right to Kill is going to start shooting next year, early next year. So I'm really excited about that because the cast is so sensational. And uh I just know it's gonna be really great. Uh, we're already working on the music uh with an amazing composer. So I know that this is like this is gonna be ACES. So thank you for giving me the opportunity to do that.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:37

Absolutely. We'll have to have you back on after it comes out. Absolutely. Yeah, talk about it, do another do another film sequence. Um, I hope you had a good time and and and enjoyed coming on. We really enjoyed having you.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:46

Oh, absolutely. You guys are very hospitable. Uh, and also I love your opinions about uh, you know, the movies because you're very fair. I like that, you know. Like some people, you can't talk to them about a movie because they're like, oh no, man, this movie's this, or or they're like, no, this, but you guys are so fair, neutral, and you know, you really talk about depth about things, and you're you're perfect for reviewing because you got it. You've got, you know, a really good um mojo going on there.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:17

I think um it's growing. I think we uh early on, like if you listen to some of our earlier episodes, we definitely get stuck in the kind of the like the mud of like, oh what a you know, how dare you give me this piece of shit. Oh my god, yeah, yeah. Um and and I you know, I think it's fair to call something out like that. If you're like, this didn't click with me at all, it's just not a good movie. But I think we've also gotten better at saying, however, it did some things very well. It didn't work for me. I didn't like it. Like it just, it just it's like a flavor that I don't like to taste. But at the same time, yeah, I get that it was well prepared. I it was not it's not like it was overdone or this and that, but at the same time, it's just not I don't I don't like that, you know. Right. Um, but I think that's that's I think we're getting better at that too. So I appreciate I appreciate that.

SPEAKER_06 1:09:00

You guys are smooth. I mean, honestly, this is this is a great setup. I think that um if you do you have yourself on like Apple Podcasts and stuff, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:07

We're on Apple Spotify, yeah. We're yeah, I think you're gonna be what is episode 80 or something like that? 80 88. All right, well, let's get out of here. Um, everybody got a quote they want to use? I got mine. Ready? Yeah, I am Jub. I am Jub.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:32

Uh Barrington of two R's.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:41

And yours?

SPEAKER_06 1:09:42

Well, that's easy. You're fat, you're skinny, and you're still fucking ugly.

SPEAKER_00 1:09:52

Let's get out of here. Perfect. All right, guys. Talk to you soon. Bye.