Talking Pondo: The Empire Strikes Back and The Right Stuff

 In this episode, Marty gives Clif the movie The Empire Strikes Back to watch and Clif gives Marty the movie The Right Stuff to watch. 

This week on Talking Pondo, Marty and Clif dive into a double feature: the unaltered Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back and the epic aviation drama The Right Stuff.

From space chimps and Wampa attacks to the bleak brilliance of early-80s filmmaking, the guys break down why Empire still defines modern sci-fi and how The Right Stuff captures the birth of American spaceflight. They dig into deleted scenes, production quirks, the evolution of special effects, Yoda puppetry, Han-and-Leia chemistry, and why 1983 was such a weird, magical year for movies.

 It’s film analysis mixed with nostalgia, overthinking, mild confusion, and emotional support Wampas. Classic Pondo chaos. 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Later on when they're stuck in the asteroid together. You know, it's it's it's some good stuff in there. It's really well written. You can tell there's some chemistry there.

SPEAKER_03 0:09

Yeah, I'm not sure what my favorite scene is. It's either the asteroid scene where they're they realize that it's not a cave. Yeah. Or or the X-Wing being pulled out of the swamp. It's one of those two, I think.

unknown 0:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 0:26

Minox. Chewing on the power cables.

SPEAKER_02 0:33

Welcome to season three of Talking Pondo. Talking Pondo is a podcast where Cliff and Marty give each other a film to watch and talk about them in detail. Some episodes will include a special guest.

SPEAKER_03 0:52

Space Chimps will not be seen this week. So we wait a minute, we did watch Space Chimps. The whole reason we watched one of the movies this week is because Cliff played a really funny joke, and he's pretty funny for doing this, whether he realized it or not. He gives me a movie that literally has Space Chimps in it. I had already made the Space Chimps joke a few weeks ago, forgot about it, and then I'm sitting there watching the right stuff, one of the films this week, and went, fucking A. That's funny. Because this is fucking Space Chimps. But, anyways, this is talking Pondo. I'm party of Cliff. We also watched a little nutshelling movie called Vampire Strikes Back.

SPEAKER_01 1:38

That's the best one of ever. That's that's the best, that's the best opening so far. And you caught me. That's exactly what that was. I was like space chimps. All right, here we go. Yeah, we shot it, we shot a chip into space. We sure did. And look at that smile on his face. Didn't he look like he took a shit in his diaper? He sure did. Space chips.

SPEAKER_03 2:04

Are you guys passing out the right stuff masks? Yeah, you gotta stop doing that. Everybody's going in, they're dressed like Ed Harris, and they're scaring the shit out of the people that work there.

SPEAKER_01 2:12

Yeah, everybody looks like Scott Glenn or John Carpenter. Scott Carpenter and John Glenn, knock it off. Oh shit.

SPEAKER_00 2:20

Oh man. All right.

SPEAKER_01 2:24

That was uh uh that was a good opening. I quite I quite enjoyed that.

SPEAKER_03 2:29

Yeah, I'm like, do I turn it into and I'm like, wait a minute, I'm gonna do this because that's how I felt watching the movie. Whether it was on intentional or not, it happened. And there it was, and it caught me off guard. I didn't even realize it was happening until they opened up that capsule, and there was that space champ. And I was like, that's the whole reason I'm watching this. I mean, I know there's other reasons, it's a good movie, but that was that was pretty damn funny. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:58

Well, you know, we'll see what uh we'll see if we can keep the gag going some way. But uh yeah, I've so okay. So we did the right stuff and The Empire Strikes Back this week. Um quite a quite a fun watch, two very long movies. Well, one very long movie and one also kind of long movie.

SPEAKER_03 3:17

Back to the early eighties, where it's the fallout of the uh long movies of the 70s still. We're still getting a few into the early 80s. Heaven's Gate hasn't made them stop budgeting these completely. Right. But by the time you get to the right stuff in 1983, oh, we're back to that magical year of 1983, the most interesting year of the 80s, perhaps, where it's not quite the 80s we know from 1984. So there's a little bit of that last bit of the 70s, but more of a still the but still the 80s, but still the 80s coming on strong, right?

SPEAKER_01 3:50

Like we're we're getting so much iconicness out of 81, 82, and 83, it's not even funny. But then 84 explodes and you get you know, you get the the 80s.

SPEAKER_03 4:02

And then when you look at 80 itself, you still get a nice bleak movie. Kind of 70s-ish. But by by 83, it's like, hey, this is a hopeful movie. Gee, I wonder if he's gonna make it. The music swellings indicating that everything's gonna be everything's gonna be fine. It's all gonna be okay.

SPEAKER_00 4:26

So, um which one you want to talk about first?

SPEAKER_01 4:31

Uh wanna roll right into oh oh oh.

SPEAKER_03 4:39

No, let's do that one second. Let's do that one second. Let's do The Empire Strikes Back from 1980. We watch the non retouched version. Yes. Which I don't think uh the special edition changes it as much as it does New Hope. But since any any of these movies where you're adding scenes, like I said before, it's like throwing a bonus track in the middle of Sgt. Pepper's, it's changing the experience a little bit because it's it's completely agree.

SPEAKER_01 5:12

No, it's it's it's like remastering the album. Like, you know, you're you yeah, it's it's better, it sounds better, but it's not it doesn't sound like it was originally intended, right? They've gone back and they've oh multi-tracked it and done this whole this sort of thing. And um the the version this is the version I like, and we don't want to know why. Um you can see the mats of the starships and in the back in the star grounds, and that's the type of thing when I've been I was talking about when I talk about like oh the the opaque the opacity of the screen helps with that. Yes. That's specifically what that type of thing is what I'm talking about, where you expect that the screen's gonna be there to help, but then you get this thing onto a nice digital format, and you're like, ooh.

SPEAKER_03 5:57

Um and the first thing I'll say about this movie on the VHS tapes back in the day, Matt's. I remember look at those squares around the TIE fighter as a little kid, and we were always we didn't know what it was, you know. We were like eight.

SPEAKER_01 6:10

But the first thing I'll say about these these three movies is, and I've heard that this may actually be happening with Star Wars, is that these are in desperate need of a 4K release. A really good, a really good pass of the original negative cleanup, oh stay away from the AI upscaling of it, and you know, get a nice 4K release. Because I'll tell you the 4K project that put these out, those look pretty damn good. You know, and and Disney cashing in on that shit.

SPEAKER_03 6:38

They supposedly chopped up the original elements to make the 1997 version, and it would be very expensive to recreate. But you still can't tell me that you can't do it. There's some kind of weird legal thing, but the rumor for the 50th anniversary is they're coming, but I don't know anymore. It would be nice though to have these ones that we were used to to be alongside. I mean, at least when they redid it episodes, they gave us both versions on the Blu-ray disc. Yeah, that's how you do it. You give us both. That's exactly it. Oh, here's a non-anamorphic disc two. Well, okay, it's the laserdisc transfer, but at least it's the movie itself. True. And you know, I will say this much about the Blu-ray release of of uh Empire Strikes Back. Interesting deleted scenes. That's true. That's true. If you watch those, no, I did. I did. They were very good. Because we go back to the beginning of the movie and it made me think, well, don't they know about Wampas?

SPEAKER_00 7:46

That they're out there?

SPEAKER_03 7:48

Well, of course they do, because in the deleted scene, there's a Wampa attack in the beginning that looks so hokey. You can see why they cut it out, but it does explain that part in the trailer where 3PO rips a sign off a door, and you're like, what the fuck is that? That's not in the movie. Ah, he's tricking snowtroopers into going through a door, and then a wampa hand comes through the door. Yes, yes. So they were fighting Wampas at the base, so they knew they were there the whole time, but that didn't work. Now, we all know that Mark Hamill got in that accident, right? And so they put the Wampa attack of him getting hit by it in the beginning so it would explain the scars on his face why he looked fucked up. So does that mean that wasn't intended to start the movie originally? Like a that was a potentially a rewrite or an exchange for the Wampa attack of Hoth, I'm guessing. I don't know. Never thought of it that way before, but analyzing the movies as we do for the show, it made me look at the structure of the movie a little different. And I think I still love the movie, but you know, analyzing it, I'm realizing now that the Hoth part is probably the weaker part of the movie. It kind of meanders a little bit, you know.

SPEAKER_01 9:07

Let me let me read the uh the thingy here for the listeners, real quick. So Star Wars Episode 5, Empire Strikes Back, 1980, PG, two hours, four minutes. I'm sure all of you all of you know this.

SPEAKER_02 9:18

Right through this.

SPEAKER_01 9:19

Uh, after the Empire overpowers the Rebel Alliance, Luke Skywalker begins training with Jedi Master Yoda, while Darth Vader and Bounty Hunter Boba Fett pursue his friends across the galaxy. Directed by Irvin Kirchner. Writers are Leigh Brackett, Lawrence Kazden, and George Lucas. Uh, storyline real quick. Um, let's see here. Where did it go? The legendary saga continues as the Rebel Alliance faces increasing challenges from the mighty galactic empire. Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, and Princess Leia Organa confront new trials that test their courage, friendship, and beliefs. The Rebel Alliance has established a hidden base on the icy planet of Hoth. I say you could have just read the scroll. Where they hope to regroup a plan and plan their first next moves against the Empire. Luke Skywalker receives a message from a familiar source prompting him to seek further guidance and understanding his connection to the force. Han Solo and Princess Leia's journey take them on a dangerous path as they navigate a galaxy under imperial control. Their actions and decisions lead to unforeseen consequences that will impact the fate of the rebellion. Meanwhile, the dark presence of Darth Vader looms as he relentlessly pursues the rebels while dealing with inner conflicts of his own. So yeah. So sorry, so just to jump that jump out there.

SPEAKER_03 10:32

So yeah, so um It's like I like the ad-at sequence, but it's kind of like starting the movie with the Death Star run. You go right to that big fight scene when you're at the beginning. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 10:43

Here's what I like about it. It's much like the beginning of Star Wars, right? It's the Empire on the ass of the rebels, right? Right from the beginning, Star Destroyer on a Rebel blockade runner, right from the beginning, chase scene, right? Like the the Empire is on them. And so Hoff kind of starts off sort not really the same way, but you get a buildup into yeah, you get the probe droid coming, then here comes the empire, then you get the landing, then you get the battle, then you get their Darth Vader showing up. And so right away you're sort of you're setting this chase in motion that goes runs across the galaxy, right? So I like that part of it. I think the Wampa part's just kind of friggin' weird. I always, even as a kid, was like, how did how did he melt his feet into the ice thing? And it's it feels tacked on, but like I like, I especially like the snow speeder stuff and the adat stuff. And I I I I love this. My only my early note on that is though, is like, why would you fly your snow speeder directly at a fucking adat? Why not take take that shit at an angle, circle around and come at it from the side or something? You know, because all you're trying to do is harpoon the thing so you can, you know, you know, catch its legs up and make it fall over. Like, why why would you go straight at it? Why not come up from you know the rear or something? So anyway, but I I like the Hawke stuff. I I I think the Tauntauns are dope. I love the stop motion work that they did with the Tauntauns. I think it looks really cool. I love the whole the noise. I mean, we've been making that noise as kids, wow, wow, wow, you know, ever since, right? So I I I but I think you're right. It probably for the entire movie, it might be its weakest part. Cloud part of Cloud City comes kind of close, though. Like part because when you when we get to Cloud City, the movie kind of decides to kind of take a hot tub soak for a minute. Like it it it sort of it sort of slows down and kind of languishes for a minute as we bounce back and forth between Yoda, and then finally we get Luke heading towards Cloud City, and then things start to heat back up again. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 12:51

It makes you think like just analyzing it and breaking it down from a filmmaker perspective, like if that Wampa thing was like, we gotta change this, look, this Wampa attack isn't working anyway, and that would have happened right around the time that Darth Vader landed down there because it's Wampa's attacking snow troopers. So it makes you wonder were they intending to jump to the ad-at battle quicker in the beginning, and instead we have this whole Luke's gonna almost freeze to death but if you're you get your Dagobah information too.

SPEAKER_01 13:29

So what if it's the same Wampa, but Luke uses the force to kind of do a different, like he doesn't use the you know, force to you with like all the lightsaber, he uses the force to get the wampa to leave him alone, and then the wampa shows up once the the Imperials are on the ground and attacks them instead. How do we know it's multiple Wampas? Like could be just one abominable snowman, right?

SPEAKER_03 13:51

Oh, because I think I remember reading somewhere that it was supposed to be like they were getting attacked by Wampas all the time at Really? Oh okay. You know, and it was like it was an issue for living there. That's weird. Kind of strangeness, yeah. Well, I think it it and Luke would have uh I mean Anakin killed all the fucking sand people. It's in his blood to have to kill that Wampa. He's he's angry and he's too old to begin the training.

SPEAKER_01 14:19

Well, Hoff sets a whole new tone early in the film. Um, you know, this ain't the farm anymore. You know, this is this is rebellion against an against an al uh you know the government and intergalactic warfare. It's like they're on the run. You know, that it the Imperial, any any droid that works that the Imperials use always looks menacing as all hell. It doesn't matter what it is, other than that little squeaky thing that that Chewbacca screams at, like the the weird, the weird droid that comes in with the shots for in Princess Leia and in New Hope. You've got you know uh the Imperial probe droids, all these droids just seem really menacing. They don't seem unlike you see 3PO in in a friggin' Astromech.

SPEAKER_03 15:06

I would say this movie would have been PG 13 if that rating had existed. But it didn't yet. But so we get this gross dark because it's 80s uh version, like you're saying, all the all the Imperial robots are even more menacing. You're getting luke put inside of the body of a of a dead animal to get warm. There's a lot of morbid weird shit going on in this one. Han being frozen, uh Darth Vader's head getting chopped off. You know, nobody took me to go see this movie as a kid. Really? And this maybe is what increased my fandom of it because this was like the one that got away. I didn't see it till 85 on video game after school. We were like, we got the tape, well, I'm gonna stay after school and watch this shit. I need to piece this together, you know. I've been reading comics and trading cards and piecing the story together. But I was told that um by my older sister, Virginia, I didn't like it because I thought it was too uh dark. And now as an adult, I kinda understand where she was coming from, but it wouldn't have fucked me up. I'm I wish somebody had taken it's like it's like not going to see the two towers or something. You need to see the dark entry, but yeah, this one is this got a lot of morbid weird elements, you know.

SPEAKER_01 16:37

I mean it it ends on a down note. It's you know, it's like it's like life is a series of down life is a series of down notes. I was just about to say you took it out of the way.

SPEAKER_03 16:44

Is that one of the next it's is that why the next movie has Evox? We gotta lighten it up a little bit because it's 83.

SPEAKER_01 16:50

You know, I have so I have a theory about that too. We're supposed to be Chewbacca's. We'll get there, but Chewbacca's um I think it's definitely the darker of the movies. It's the one that sets you up for hopelessness, right? It's the in it if it's if it's all one big movie, this is the end of the second act, right? Where the where the heroes are as furthest from their goals as they're going to be, right? Um because right in right as soon as Jedi starts, we're at Jabba's Palace and we're getting Han Solo free and we're getting the band back together, and we send Boba Fett down the mouth of the Sarlac and then we run, you know, go to go fighting the Empire, right? To go to be living with Sand people soon. So so uh Yeah, so anyway, um this is the end of Act Two, right? So it makes sense that's the darkest, that it's the one with the most conflict, it's the most struggle. You know, the Empire, they do a really good job of keeping the Empire on hand's ass for most of that movie. He can't get away, his is hilariously his hyperdrive doesn't work, you know, it's not my fault, is one of my favorite quotes of all time, you know.

SPEAKER_03 18:00

Well, I don't know how you feel about it, but I feel that this is Han's movie. Oh, I agree. Like when he's not there, especially in the beginning, it's it's almost kind of dull. Like Luke can't carry the movie by himself until Luke meets Yoda. Right. Then Luke's story starts to become interesting enough that Han can disappear for the last part of the movie, like Charles Groden and Midnight Run, but yet we're still interested in the last 20 minutes because Luke's story is finally kicked in. This is totally the Han solo movie. And as much as I don't like solo and those newer Star Wars movies, it makes me think they're just poorly made, they're poorly executed. Some of the ideas aren't bad. Some of the ideas are fine. Fucking Lando is never supposed to meet Darth Vader. That's the fucking guy who's playing Sabak, losing his ship, and this is the fucking kid from Tatooine, and here's this fucking Mandalorian. We know more about him now. It's just whoever comes to this watching these in order, and then the TV shows, their mind's gonna be blown by the time you get to the pub that is Empire because so many storylines are converging past. We didn't know all this stuff, and now I'm like, there's that fucking IG88 droid, and there's the Ugnaughts, and I got all this Mandalorian story in my head. Yeah, we get some Ugnauts finally in this one. I love it. And it's like Chewbacca new Yoda from episode three, and so they're like just barely just R2D2 new Yoda. Well, R2D2 is the whole fucking crux of the whole thing to jump ahead a little bit here, you know.

SPEAKER_01 19:47

Well, this so do you prescribe to the theory that this is really a movie about this is really three movies about two droids and how they traveled through the overturning of a galaxy of a of a imperial government, of a galactic government? Because I kind of do. The movies are really about these two fucking droids and the antics they get up in during the rebellion of a of a of a galactic empire.

SPEAKER_03 20:10

Like I I mentioned on the Star Wars episode that uh R2 is really you know the the through line of the whole thing. And and so I used to think that Luke fucked up in Empire Strikes Back by leaving early and you know you screwed everything up, and now there's another, and that other is Ray, and she's got to fix everything. Why she would want to be a Skywalker is beyond me. Don't be a Skywalker, they're fucked up, they keep having so many problems. Just go be yourself, Ray, if you want to jump to the end of the street.

SPEAKER_01 20:42

I thought they were talking about I thought they were talking about Leia.

SPEAKER_03 20:44

Well, that's what I used to think, but now all these other movies are stuck in my head, and I can't help but reinterpret everything. But anyways, well, that's part of a joke, too. But anyways, I used to think Luke fucked the whole thing up by leaving early, right? And now the other is Leia and all that. But really, it's beyond Luke. It's bigger than Luke. R2D2 had to be on Cloud City because he saved their ass twice. He opens the door and then he reactivates the hyperdrive. If he's not there, you're fucked.

SPEAKER_01 21:21

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_03 21:22

And Luke, all he does is get his hand cut off and has some dramatic moments with his with his dad and shit.

SPEAKER_01 21:28

Yeah, it's it's not a good family reunion. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 21:30

He meets his dad and it does not go well. Yeah, I mean R2D, it's all about R2D2. And and why would it be R2D2 that saves everything? Gee, who used to own R2D2? Whose droid is that? That's the Queen's droid. That's the Queen's droid. Well, that's true. That's a droid from the boo. That's right. And C3PO is Darth Vader's droid. Yeah. Right? Padme saves the day. Through R2D2 and helps them escape. And then Darth Vader's just like, I'm so pissed, I don't even feel like killing anybody. Because he must be having so many memories of the past at this point, because everything's starting to come to a head. Here's fucking Boba Fett again, for fuck's sake.

SPEAKER_00 22:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:17

When he saw his fucking Mace Windu chop the head off a Django Fett, and it's just like I can't help but think of all this shit now when I watch this movie. And even like I said, even if I don't like those other movies, it just fills in so much. Well, it's all part of the story. It's all part of the lore, you know. And I don't think he's wearing Han Solo's clothes. I think those are his clothes, and he got them back. I think, you know.

SPEAKER_01 22:40

Um so one of the things I thought about with the Tauntauns is it made me think of like even in the snow, it's a it's they're it's like it's a western. It's like this is the desert, and this is a mother freaking space western. So put them on horses. Well, we don't have horses. How about tauntauns? Perfect. Have them riding around in tauntauns, go after it. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03 23:03

Um people like movies where people are riding around on animals. It's a genre to it. Um the right stuff too, the riding around on horses.

SPEAKER_01 23:12

Yep. I like that the story immediately dives into the Han and Leia romance. Um, I mean, that starts right from the beginning. It's a major facet of this film. You know, it it is uh the will they want they, the back and forth, you know, her kissing, you know, Luke at one point, and you know, I must have got her all riled up, you know, all that stuff. He's just needling her, and then uh later on when they're stuck in the asteroid together, you know, it's it's it's some good stuff in there. It's really well written. You can tell there's some chemistry there.

SPEAKER_03 23:45

Yeah, I'm not sure what my favorite scene is. It's either the asteroid scene where they're they realize that it's not a cave, yeah, or or the X-Wing being pulled out of the swamp. It's one of those two, I think, is the best scene in the movie. This time, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 24:02

Minox chewing on the power cables.

SPEAKER_01 24:08

Uh yeah, so that's that's pretty good. I I this this movie, even for as old as it is, it still is a really excellent science fiction movie. It's still really, really well made. It holds up, it's paced well. That's that that asteroid flight stuff is some of the best, most exhilarating stuff that you'll see in any sci-fi movie as far as space navigation goes. It's amazing. Uh, I love the whole idea of him turning around and attacking that ship and then suddenly just clamping onto it and they can't find him. You know, Obafett knows that trick, but he's but you know, the Imperials don't, they're fucking stupid, right? And so you get you know, you get him using these old smuggler tricks and these old type of tricks to get away.

SPEAKER_03 24:56

I love that. They're about as dumb as the uh FBI agents and hopscotch, another 1980 movie. Yeah, yeah. We don't know where he is. On is Walter Mathow.

SPEAKER_01 25:10

Back to Hoth for a second. I love how Wedge takes down a walker, right? And goes, that got him, you know, after he shoots him. And only for Luke to immediately ply with, yeah, I see it, Wedge. You know, uh good work. And it's almost a tone, like there's almost a tone there, like a dismissive tone of like, bitch, I blew the Death Star up. Like fucking it's just an ad at. You know, don't get it, get over yourself. And it's like, damn, farm boy. Sure have come aways there, haven't you?

SPEAKER_03 25:39

You know, watching the the deleted scenes also reveals that uh the funny thing about these Star Wars movies is, and it's also why they could never get it right after the first three, even though they've got nice approximations, is it was always one step away from being the holiday special. But sometimes the the edits come together and it fits. But you look at some of that deleted material and you're like, oh yeah, wow, they just pulled out the magic parts. Yeah. And so when you get a weird exchange like that between snowspeeder pilots, it probably in my my estimation would probably be from the uh the odd nature of the the um the s the snow speeders have like the worst emergency exit systems ever.

SPEAKER_01 26:27

Like he crashes and he has to push up the canopy, like there's no, you know, there's no like where's my explosive uh escape catch? Well, I mean, I mean, my if I if I hit the latch on my on the back of my door, it opens up on my car, it goes brrrrr. You know, I mean, and that's just a car. Like, you don't have something for your fucking futuristic snow speeder that allows there's you don't even have an ejection seat for a crash. Come on.

SPEAKER_03 26:51

They didn't argue with the engineers about how they were the pilots and they have to be respected a window and an escape patch. And you know why? Michel Del Toro taught us in The Last Jedi, it's the same company making the ships for everybody, and they don't give a shit.

SPEAKER_00 27:12

Uh let's see here now.

SPEAKER_03 27:14

They leave Hoth, and there's less than 90 minutes of the movie to go 36 minutes to get off of Hoth.

SPEAKER_01 27:21

So that's your first act, right there, is that first 36 minutes. And you meet Yoda at 47 minutes in. Loots a hot wing. Hot he looks a hot shot pilot, but he can't land his own X-Wing. I mean, come on. Um when you're eight R2D.

SPEAKER_03 27:38

And he of all places, he pinpointed right to where he was supposed to go. Exactly. That's just the Hoth being the Hoth. That's just the force being a tractor beam. The hassle hoth.

SPEAKER_04 27:48

The Hoth.

SPEAKER_01 27:49

Use the Hoth force. Um spitting out the uh X, uh spitting out R2D2 from the swamp and flying. I mean, when you're a kid, when you're eight, that's the height of hilarity. Spitting's a good trick. Like, that's a that's the height of hilarity. It's the greatest thing ever.

SPEAKER_03 28:12

I wouldn't know as I did not see the film until I was eleven.

SPEAKER_01 28:19

I remember we were there, my buddy and I were there second week it was opening. And this is back when they would line you up outside the movie theater, uh, and you would just wait for the people to come out, and then you, you know, you would wait and they would let you go in. And uh we were like first or second in line, I can't remember, and we're waiting for the movie, and it's this and we're like, how much time is left? And I just I snuck over and peeked through the crack, and I saw Luke and Darth Vader fighting, and I was like, Luke and Darth Vader are gonna fight, and he's like, and my friend's like, no way, no way. It's like, oh my god, come on, you know, it was you know, and and that's the thing I'll say also. Freezing Han and Carbonite was a big thing because you didn't know that he was gonna get unfrozen. Like you thought that's just was Han Solo's now basically kind of dead.

SPEAKER_03 29:17

He's perfectly in uh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:20

I mean, obviously that the the the thing was gonna be to go get him, but like was that gonna be the whole story? How much of the film was you know Han Solo gonna be in? He because Han Solo's the most popular, in my opinion, character in the the franchise, the the early franchise, other than Darth Vader, of course.

SPEAKER_03 29:39

And and it's a fight between Luke and Darth Vader, but Darth Vader's just taking it easy on him because he really just wants to capture him and take him to the Emperor. You know. Then he starts getting cocky and he's like, well, then I'm just gonna have to cut your hand off.

SPEAKER_01 29:56

Well, he knows this is kid. It's like I heard you know, he doesn't want to kill his kid. And he's you know had his hand cut off, so it's just kind of like a father-son thing.

SPEAKER_03 30:04

He told him, like, you know, we let's go just destroy the emperor and end this destructive conflict. I'm tired, Luke. I it's it's Anakin coming back through already is a possible interpretation there.

SPEAKER_01 30:20

So then we get to Hoth or we get to Dagaba and we get Luke and Yoda. And this is the so this is the real question. This is the question that we have to answer. Should they have cast Yoda as a human and put makeup on him? Or should they have gone with the puppet? Because I truly believe that the Yoda puppet directly leads to Ewoks, which directly leads to Jar Jar Binks, which directly leads to the downfall of society and Star Wars in general.

SPEAKER_03 31:05

Well, you know, that's that's true, but I mean we already had Chewy, so they were coming whether we liked it or not. I can't get all the creatures in the Cantina bar, so they probably still would have given us some sort of Muppets in Return of the Jedi, I think. But I know what you mean. But Yoda puppets so or animatronic or whatever he is, the bots on MST could never quite figure out if he was a puppet or a costume or yeah. He's like it's an iconic uh character. Sure. Maybe they would have fucked the whole thing up if Yoda had been a person like Job of the Hutt was a guy. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 31:49

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03 31:50

Exactly. What if Yoda was a person and everybody else was a puppet? Then it's like the Dark Crystal kind of.

SPEAKER_01 31:57

Well, and I, you know, I I I recognize that this is really uh especially for its time advanced puppetry, like it's really, really excellent work. Yeah, they do a good job with Yoda. They do a they do a fantastic job with Yoda. Uh and it gets even better in in Revenge and stuff like that, or Return of the Jedi, but it just I can't help but thinking, like, oh man, if we if we had gone with a I don't know, a human again with makeup on, maybe we would have avoided Ewoks.

SPEAKER_03 32:29

Yeah, but it was like awesome. As we're about to discuss 1983, and it just wasn't the bleak 70s anymore. Everything had to be more hopeful, and it was the time of the of the fucking Ewoks and the Smurfs and the Muppet Babies. But I mean, I I I regret that Jim Henson died and he only gave us Dark Crystal and Labyrinth. Because I think he would have done so much more that those were the footnotes, and now they're the only ones, and so everybody latches onto them so much. I'm like, look, they were okay.

SPEAKER_01 33:08

And they're oh, those things have massive, massive followers.

SPEAKER_03 33:13

I've seen this so I've seen Labyrinth so much since like literally the day it came out on videotape that I'm I'm good. I'm good.

SPEAKER_01 33:20

Dark Crystal's the one for me where I'm like, I remember the last time I saw it, I was like, oh yeah, I I I still I've seen this a bunch, like I don't need to see it again, but it's really good.

SPEAKER_03 33:29

It's good, but it's creepy as hell.

SPEAKER_01 33:31

It's it's awesome, it's really creepy as hell.

SPEAKER_03 33:34

Yeah, and that was like 82 and creepy. But then you get to 83 and it's ewaks. But whenever we get to Jedi, I guess we'll talk about how it was supposed to be uh Wookiees, but they couldn't afford it, so they did evoks, but then we get the Wookiee Planet in episode three anyway, where Yoda knows Chewbacca.

unknown 33:55

Right.

SPEAKER_03 33:55

So what the fuck? Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 34:00

Exactly. Well, but we don't ever get to see Chewbacca and Yoda together, so in episode three? No, I'm but I'm in in in Empire. In Empire, yeah. In Empire.

SPEAKER_03 34:12

Yeah, they are pretty close, though. It's said they're running around with Anakin's old droid. And there's Yoda looking at R2D2 going, now if this fucking droid is here, there's some shit going on.

SPEAKER_01 34:25

Something's going on, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:26

Because this thing should not be here at my fucking high-to-way street. It should not be at my house.

SPEAKER_01 34:39

Obi-Wan's like, how in the fuck did this fucking droid find me?

SPEAKER_03 34:44

Or or maybe there were in-between stories like the Obi-Wan TV show that I still haven't watched all the way, but I feel like it takes place in between. So when Darth Vader says things like Obi-Wan cannot protect him now, you go, is he talking about that TV show? He goes, other shit happened in between. Apology accepted, Captain Neater. This is pretty fucking bad when this fucking guy from Naboo who fucking became the emperor is showing up and fucking how the fuck did Lando Calrizian get involved in this shit? And the fact that Lando and Chewie are like the only ones that live through all this crap. It's so weird. I'm not gonna get off on a tangent on that, but that's just it makes sense in a way, but it's also very weird. It's very weird. But it's dark. I think the film is where it all springs from, Empire.

SPEAKER_01 35:40

I think the film moves pretty effortlessly back and forth between the storylines. Uh it it picks the right moments to jump from Luke to Han to Darth Vader, back again, Cloud City. Yeah. You know, it it it in the pacing of it, that the editing choices are really, really well done. I don't know if his this is his wife again, but um really, really well done. Yeah. You know that you know Lucas bankrolled this himself, right? He spent he he just didn't want to go to a major studio, so he just used his Star Wars Profits and got a bank loan and spent$30 million making this fucking movie. It was really impressive.

SPEAKER_03 36:20

And the special edition doesn't really uh change the pacing too much. There's a few extra things. I think there's maybe like a little more thader loop space zooming or whatever they're doing. But you most of it is just stuff like changing the fly up to Cloud City or painting in the windows and cloud city type stuff. But I still prefer the original.

SPEAKER_01 36:49

Cloud Cloud City to me is the the one that feels the most like a set. Like out of them all, like Hoth, the the interior hot stuff definitely has a feeling of a set to it, but Cloud City just screams like we're in the studio. Like it just has this weird. Maybe it's maybe it's because it's it's it's got the most 70s aesthetic to it that I the of of of everything else in the film. Like it just has that weird sort of rounded 70s aesthetic. You remember that you remember the old rounded TVs, the rounded chairs, all that stuff from the 70s? Cloud City kind of feels like that a bit, so it just feels more like a set. I don't know. Cloud City's very 70s. Um but it just yeah, it just out of them all, it does. I don't know why I don't know how to do it. Cold 45 works every time.

SPEAKER_03 37:39

Cold 45 works every time. Fucking Lando. So I'm sure Reels is like, well, why didn't you bring all this information when you talked about that? Was just the ramp up, guys. Sorry.

SPEAKER_01 37:49

Yeah, that's right. Boba Fett is barely in this freaking movie, yet he as soon as this movie came out, he was iconic. And and I I think I feel like that's a testament to Lucas' storytelling ability and his kind of ability to create worlds and characters like Indiana Jones and all this, you know, these amazing characters and stories that this guy's been creating over the years. It's really uh I mean, and these characters just keep popping up throughout this timeline of these first three movies where it's like, oh, you you know, because you you have whole stories about Rogue Squadron and Wedge and Tillies, and then you have the Shadows of the Empire, and then you you know, and then they just keeps running it, it keeps going books after books after books, and all these different characters popping up, and prequels with all those different Jedi, and there are people who know who all those people are. It's insane.

SPEAKER_03 38:49

It's something I don't completely understand, uh, but if uh you make a good mask, people are all over it. Yep. And I see uh what to me is a relatively new phenomenon where people judge the quality of Halloween movies on if they like the look of Michael Myers' mask or not. Like it'll make or break the whole movie for them. And I'd never back the day I was just like, that's just the part four mask, that's just the part five. I never gave it a second fucking thought. But apparently people obsess about it consistently. So they saw that Boa Fett and they went, love it. You know, it's like the people that dress up like stormtroopers, and yeah, and now we know so much more about Mandalorians. It's uh so much more. It it it changes Empire Strikes Back when you've watched eleven Star Wars movies, not counting the Clone Wars cartoon. It's weird to think, isn't it? Eleven Star Wars movies.

unknown 39:51

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 39:54

I'll see. I think that's about the only other thing I have to say is oh well, I have so my one of my favorite points moments in this movie is um when Vader is using the force to beat Luke up with stuff. He's just you know chunking shit at him using the force.

SPEAKER_02 40:11

That's how it was fun time.

SPEAKER_01 40:13

Yeah, at one point he throws a T they throw a TV at Luke Skywalker, they throw a TV at Mark Hamill. It's a whole ass black and white TV, and which makes me laugh. Every time I see it, I laugh. I'm like, yeah. Um and you know, you know, Vader's just you know, he kind of looks like kind of it's kind of a bitch move not to fight sword fight him, you know, by throwing stuff out of him. That's kind of a bitch move, but I get it. He's not really trying to kill the kid, he's just trying to freeze him. Trying to freeze him. But it's it's a it's a great movie. It's again, it's a it's an excellent follow-up. I think, like I said in my argument on reels, you know, uh Star Wars was kind of the promise of this universe, and then Empire is sort of the fulfillment of that promise, the payoff of what of that great start.

SPEAKER_03 41:03

Yeah, they're about equal in in my mind, but over the years, I still give the edge to the first one now because it's just so perfecto throughout, and it birthed everything, and it's so unique. But then you get to this one, and this one is where everything launches from. Yeah, this is the one I love. I do have whiny ass Luke on Hoth to bring it down just a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 41:30

True. So this is uh reminds me of-body need that character though. It reminds me of the alien versus aliens debate, you know. What which which one do you like better? You know, and and when they're both just really quality. No, but they're both really quality pictures.

SPEAKER_03 41:46

Of course. Um yeah, one of them has Lance Hendrickson, which uh the segue. Um okay. Well, what do you give it?

SPEAKER_01 41:56

I this I give this five stars.

SPEAKER_03 42:00

Yeah, of course. This is five. I mean, we knew that going in.

SPEAKER_01 42:04

I I I I I uh it's it's I'm not gonna say it's perfect, but I think uh uh it's pretty close, and what it's birthed and what it's inspired and and what Lucas went on to do with ILM and all the things that were born out of this trilogy are uh changed the face of filmmaking and and opened the door for a lot of people. And oh yeah. Uh so I I just five five stars all day long.

SPEAKER_03 42:35

Yeah, people who dismiss Star Wars as completely kids content. Well, you could say that about some of the movies, but if you watch this one, you can see this is a point where they were clearly trying to reach all audiences. It's not just a kid's movie, this one. Absolutely. Yeah, this is the one that you're gonna do.

SPEAKER_01 42:55

This is the one that your older brother or sister would have taken you to and enjoyed, also, you know. Or possibly even your mom or dad. Um, but yeah, so five stars for that, and that moves us into that didn't happen to me.

SPEAKER_03 43:08

My older sister did not take me to the movie film because she didn't like it then.

SPEAKER_01 43:14

My mom, I I I I had my mom was the bet my mom was the kind of person that was like, here's here's ten dollars, go to the movies, leave me alone. You know, during during or she'd put me in a different theater and she'd go see something else.

SPEAKER_03 43:27

During 80, 81, 82, we were moving a lot, so there was no time to go see the movie. So that's probably why I didn't see a lot of stuff until we get back around to like E.T. Then I saw Jedi, and they were like, You didn't see Empire? I'm like, yeah, but it's fine. I can figure out what's going on, just let me know. Happy to be here. Back when you were on the run from the law. So first there was Knight Riders, and then there was Creep Show, and then there was the Right Story. Stuff and Ed Harris was off to the races. What is the right stuff from 1983? Yes, he did a couple other things there, but that's really how his career kind of got started as an actor.

SPEAKER_01 44:12

The right stuff. Uh, 1983, PG, three hours and thirteen minutes. Three hours and thirteen minutes.

SPEAKER_03 44:19

Yes, PG. There's multiple F-bombs in this movie. It's like Poseidon Adventure. We found another one as PG, and they say fuck more than like three times.

SPEAKER_01 44:30

The U.S. space program's development from the breaking of the sound barrier to selection of the Mercury 7 astronauts from a group of test pilots with a more seed of the pants approach than the program's more cautious engineers preferred. This is directed and written by uh Philip or directed by Philip Kaufman, written by Kaufman and Tom Wolfe. Uh it stars an unbelievably crazy crass that we'll get into later. Uh here is your that was your log line, here's your storyline. Terrible log line. Tom Wolf's book on the it was pretty bad. Tom Wolf's book on the history of the US space program reads like a novel, and the film has that same fictional quality. It covers the breaking of the sound barrier by Chuck Yeager all the way to the Mercury 7 astronauts, showing that no one had a clue how to run a space program or how to select people in it. Thrilling, funny, charming, and electrifying all at once.

SPEAKER_03 45:20

Now, I feel that the reason this movie gets away with multiple F-bombs is because the movie itself kind of the tone isn't that. And it's more historically important, kind of like look, eight-year-old kid, if you can sit through three hours and thirteen minutes, you can hear a couple F-bombs, it ain't gonna hurt you. The rest of the movie will dull that right out of your brain. It's not salacious, is what I mean. Right. There's nothing adult content in it, so why give it an R?

SPEAKER_01 45:56

The most salacious part of the movie is the fan dance at the end. Oh god, we're gonna we can't start with that.

SPEAKER_03 46:03

Okay, that's one of the weirdest fucking endings of any movie ever. And you never hear anybody talk about it. You think that would be a meme of what the fuck moment, but I think it's reserved for people who sit through the whole thing. And it's like, hey, you made it through the whole length, we're gonna do one of the weirdest juxtapositions with no real explanation. I'm still not sure what Chuck Yeager did at the end. Did he break a record there at the end when he spun out?

SPEAKER_01 46:30

Yeah, yeah, he broke, yeah, he broke the altitude record at the end.

SPEAKER_03 46:33

Okay, that makes sense then, because I figured it was something like that. Like he broke the wraps around, but the juxtaposition but like I was telling you earlier, it's like Starfighters, that MST movie from the early 60s, because it's these jet fighter pilots in the early 60s, and that fan dance thing is totally the aesthetic of something they would have gone and seen. But does it fit the movie? I don't know. That was the moment where I was just like, it's it's not quite like the brown bunny where you get to the end and there's that blowjob scene and you go, What did the movie just say? Just trying to see if you were still paying attention.

SPEAKER_01 47:09

But I feel like maybe it was, you know, so so intentional fallacy, I'm sure. So Sally Rand is who that was. The she's a she was an American burlesque dancer, and she was famous for her ostrich feather fan dance, also a balloon bubble dance.

SPEAKER_03 47:26

Um, so uh I mean they're just cramming a bunch more exposition of real events, right?

SPEAKER_01 47:34

Well, she was part of a troupe that traveled around the Midwest playing at state fairs and small theaters in the 50s at this point, and this is in the 50s at this point, or actually late 50s and early 60s. So it makes sense that they would pluck her, and especially the tour was across Oklahoma and Texas, and where the fuck is Lyndon Johnson from? He's from Texas. Of course. Where where is where is uh Cape Canaveral? It's in Houston. But does its tonality fit the rest of the movie? I feel like it does. I feel like it's probably historically accurate that he actually did that. He he had her down and they had they had this big barbecue for because you know, one of the things that Johnson wants to do, and he says it even during that scene, is look what I brought y'all. You know, he wants to bring these astronauts down so all his constituents can shake their friggin' hands and he can be, you know, because he he he tries it early on getting into uh uh Mrs. Glenn's house to talk to her during the launch, right? Right, and she won't have him be she won't have him in the house because she's got a a stutter, right? And and he gets all pissed off and then oh well okay, I'll console her now that he's up there and he may die. You know, he he's desperate to get on camera with her, he's desperate to, you know. So I think it totally fits.

SPEAKER_03 48:46

I mean, I understand how it does and it's historically accurate, but sometimes historically accurate isn't the best thing for a narrative structure, but of course they didn't make long-form TV back then, so how else are you gonna make this story large and long? But this would have been a great eight-part miniseries. Right. Uh but uh one of my notes was uh it's like the there's such an odd structure because of the reality of it, and I'm glad that they do loop it back to Jaeger so it at least the book ends, but the main characters by the time you get what did I write the main talk into your microphone. I want to say something important before I do. Oh, the main characters of the movie by the middle of the movie? Uh-huh. They weren't even in the first 45 minutes of the movie.

SPEAKER_01 49:53

Oh, that's very true.

SPEAKER_03 49:54

And so part of me goes, Who are you? Where's the other guy? But I understand what they're doing, but it's it's just constant exposition and not enough character development to where I don't really get to know anybody too much. I you know, some of them early, but then these other ones come in and it's like, well, I know you're a big deal, but I don't know your backstory, but it biopics, right? It's even at three hours and 12 minutes, they still can't cram.

SPEAKER_01 50:25

Yeah, they can't get it all in. I mean, well, you're talking about probably one of the most productive eras of of human ingenuity, of American ingenuity. I mean, so much stuff has come out of NASA and out of the space program and out of what we learned and what we figured out how to do, including going to the moon and coming back, all that shit, you know. And it's a movie about the people who didn't even make it first.

SPEAKER_03 50:47

Its narrative structure is is slanted to the United States. Does this movie play outside of this country? Would the real story be like about the Russian who made it into space first? That's probably an interesting story.

SPEAKER_01 51:02

We weren't first, but we were there definitely longest, and we've been there earlier and longest for sure. Also, yeah, I know. I'm just making a structural point. I do love that. I do love that it's like when they launch Sputnik, the imagery, like the when when Sputnik, you know, because when the film cuts at that one point and it's just suddenly like uh the Russian flag and laughing and flames going, and then the guys running down the hallway, and it's like, they call it Sputnik. He's like, yeah, yeah, we know. Get in here. I really like that imagery. I think it's really fucking cool.

SPEAKER_03 51:35

I completely agree with that.

SPEAKER_02 51:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:38

Uh but to to my earlier point, it's like, was Ed Harris and uh what's the other guy's name? Scott Glenn?

SPEAKER_00 51:46

Scott Glenn, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 51:49

Were their real life characters completely unimportant to the beginning structure of all this to where we don't see them in the first 45 minutes of the movie in their own lives before?

SPEAKER_01 52:01

Well, Scott, yes, because Scott Glenn's a five-hour movie pilot. Yeah, well, Scott, if you want to go well, I mean, look, if you want to do it. Well, that's because the the really what the story the movie is about is not about them. It's about the story of spaceflight in America, right? And so you have to start adding the pieces on as you get to those time periods. Otherwise, like you said, you're doing you're doing Sorcerer and you're spending an hour telling these, showing up how these four guys get to the town to get to the truck.

SPEAKER_03 52:33

It's the 80s now.

SPEAKER_01 52:34

It's the 80s, and even if you did, you'd still have three hours of spaceflight story to tell. So now the movie's four hours long, right?

SPEAKER_03 52:41

Could the movie have started right as soon as the uh space team is being assembled? Do we genuinely need the sound barrier stuff? It almost feels like two or three movies in one. Well, it's I understand why it's there, but could it work without it?

SPEAKER_01 52:55

I think so, but I think that then you're telling a story about these astronauts, and you're not telling a story about the story of American spaceflight. Because you start with Jaeger and trying to break the sound barrier. Once you get the sound barrier broken, then you start to it it starts to grow exponentially from there, and now you're talking about building bigger rockets, and now you've got you know test stuff going all over the place, and so on and so forth, right? It just it begins the spec it begins to build into NASA and what they're doing.

SPEAKER_03 53:22

As far as like a character human, that's and that's when all the pilots show up. Yeah, you you have a movie that's bookended with Jaeger's experiences, pretty much, because he kind of goes away in the middle, and it's like, well, what if you just made a Jaeger movie and you made an astronaut movie? And then you could spend more time on both stories instead of trying to cram them all into one, where it feels like I almost felt like there should have been a third to it where a new group comes in for the last hour and we see their story, so we get split into thirds. But at least Jaeger comes back around to the end because I was like, these new guys come in halfway through that aren't developed in the beginning because they weren't part of the story yet, but we stay with them for the rest of the movie. But at least Jaeger does come back though, but not a whole lot though. I still like the movie, but I thought it was just bizarre with its I think we develop them as we go. Um, you know, we you know we're still left going. I don't really know who anybody was.

SPEAKER_01 54:22

I like how we start dropping him in where you know Scott Glenn's kind of a card, he likes Jose Jimenez. You know that John, you know that uh you know, uh you know that Ed Harris's character is kind of a Boy Scout, you know, so Scott Carpenter, he's a Boy Scout. Those two guys are always trying to out Boy Scout each other, and then you've got you know, the the one that to me, there's a couple of others. The movie, again, it's has so much to talk about that it can't even cover all of its own astronauts because you don't even get to fucking hear from Lance Henrickson. Yeah, he's a bad He's an astronaut in this friggin' movie, playing an astronaut, and he never and mainly I think that's mainly because those guys didn't go up into space. Yeah, and you can't like the others did.

SPEAKER_03 55:05

Life stories and you know a short movie. It's just it's so hard to cram cram it all in. They do a good job, but it is difficult to cram it all in there. But I mean, I feel like we end up knowing them as well as any of the pilots in Top Gun Maverick, you know. Oh, you're this attitude, you're this guy, you're wild card, you know.

SPEAKER_01 55:25

I definitely agree though that it feels a little disjointed, like you do have this longer Chuck Yeager story where uh it starts with the voice of Lee on Lee Von Helm, and and it I swear to god, as a kid, I I I only ever associated that voice to this movie, and then we last watched the last waltz and did review it a few, and I'm like, holy shit, it's that guy. Because I'm not a fan of the band either. But it was really crazy to kind of like, oh, that's weird, and then to hear him go, the demon lived at Mach 1 on the mater. You know, you go, holy Jesus, he's got such a true southern voice, right? Like you could see him getting his sag card and going right to Hollywood and getting to work. Uh I found the synth score at times a little challenging. Uh I love the historical footage they worked in, you know. I love that use of the old man in the suit as kind of like death. He's just showing up, you know, announcing people's, you know, and then he's the worst singer on the face of the planet at the same time as he's putting people on the ground. It's just very it's a very weird first 45 minutes. Like it's very weird. And then once we break the sound barrier and we get past all that, suddenly these hotshot pilots start showing up and we start getting into the meat of the movie, trying to find trying to find people who actually want to be an astronaut.

SPEAKER_03 56:50

Now imagine a movie starting there.

SPEAKER_01 56:52

Yeah. I hear you. I hear you, right? Maybe, but maybe not. I mean, it depends on what movie you're trying to tell. I think it'd be the same movie. I think this movie is trying to cover the idea of like cross-based. I understand that. As far as like what you're talking about, is more much more character-driven, which I would be very interested to watch, honestly.

SPEAKER_03 57:14

I I I would but unfortunately you lose the Jaeger stuff, which I do like that.

SPEAKER_01 57:18

But if you if you take all most of the Jaeger stuff out, what do you think? You've got about a two-hour and twenty-minute movie, 30-minute movies? It's probably got a better pace to it. But you could but you could bloat it back out to 315 again with 45 minutes of character development, like you're talking about, getting to know more about these guys.

SPEAKER_03 57:36

Well, it might be a little richer, you know, because they're going into space and you care more about them. But this this like the music swells, and you know it's gonna be okay, you know. You know they're gonna you see the date come up, you know, a record's about to be broken. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's historical. You know, if you know the story going in, you probably like you love it because you know all the ins and outs. But if you're like me and you kind of know a little bit, you're left going, oh, it was just a surface level of know the rest of the story.

SPEAKER_01 58:08

That's a lot of it is I I mean that's biotech. That's what I like about it is that it's not stopping to explain everything to you. It is explaining different small things that you need to know, but it's not, you know, because otherwise we'd be mired in it for a while. Uh one of my favorite scenes is the scene with with where all the wives are talking, you know what I mean, and and the the the pilots are all outside grilling hot dogs, and he's holding up that that hot dog that's burning, you know, and they're all talking about what assholes men are. Um, I I enjoy that scene quite a bit.

SPEAKER_03 58:42

There's parts early on where it feels like they're trying really hard to be Lawrence of Arabia-like, like he's taking that drink and you close up and you see the other shot dissolve into it. I'm like, that's trying to be like the match that he's holding. I'm like, come on, guys, this, you know, well it's a match cut, yeah. And then they stop doing that once you get into the training. Like the stuff stylistically, it switches from that. You know, I think I only have eyes for you must be the cheapest song from the early 60s to license, because we've heard it in at least two other films. One of them was Heart Like a Wheel, and I can't remember what the other one was, if there even was another, but I just feel like oh oh Hollywood Knights. Like it's always it's always there. So now we know we can probably afford that if we make a movie set in 1962 or so, real quick, I want to run down this cast.

SPEAKER_01 59:35

So um Sam Shepherd, who was a uh playwright darling, and uh uh pretty popular during the early 80s, Scott Glenn, Ed Harris, Dennis Quaid, Fred Ward, Barbara Hershey, Kim Stanley, Veronica Cartwright, Pamela Reed, Scott Pollen, Charles Frank, Lance Hendrickson, Donald Moffat playing Lyndon B. Johnson, Lee Von Helm, Scott Wilson playing Scott Crossfield, Mary Joe Deschanel, the mother of the Des Chanel girls, uh, Kathy Baker. It's a killer cast.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:06

Yeah, we got alien, aliens, and twin peaks people in the cast.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:10

It's just a it's a it's an absolutely stunning cast of just you know excellent actors. Everybody, all these actors continue to work throughout the 80s and into the 90s, and probably a lot of them still do.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:20

And you can still see Ed Harris does have a little bit of his Knight Riders character in him in this movie with his stalwartness and he's just the king of space this time. So this is three hours and twelve minutes, three hours and thirteen minutes, if you look at some places. It's the longest movie we've covered to date, I think. Uh and pe you know, people talk about Return of the King and things like that being quite long. But any movie that goes over three hours and like ten minutes really should have to be a real solid reason for being that long. But it's so subjective and I mean you can't have three hours and fifteen minutes of constant on-your-seat action. That would be fucking exhausting as fuck. But at the same time, I don't want to mire so long and stretching things out to where sometimes in this movie I'm like, just go to space. Just shoot off into space and do your thing. I don't need to see the it's like you're stretching on this conflict when there's so many other stories to tell, but once again, that's a biopic for you. There's so many limitations of those things. But any movie that's incredibly long, right? It's it's almost like a different type of discussion because it's you're stretching the art form out so much, it's almost like Is it a movie anymore? Well, it is, but it's a different type of anything.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:56

I still think it's a th it's a it's I still think it's a movie. It's a yeah, but I still think it's a it's a good movie.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:02

Um It's not like a movie that's an hour and ten minutes, right? It takes on a whole different life. You've lived with characters for like longer than two and a half hours, and then it really starts to it's almost like a binge watch of a TV show or something like that. Yeah, um, I mean, I think do a lot more with it, right? You can you can be more invested, I think.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:25

I think so. I mean, you know, you've got, I mean, you know, you've got like we talked about Oppenheimer and some of these other, you know, um Killers of the Flower Moon and some of these other one. Oppenheimer? Killers of the Flower Moon? Uh Killers of the Flower Moon is about I think about the same length, if I'm not mistaken. Um, I can look it up for the year.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:43

I know Oppenheimer was like, what, 245? A lot of these things around that. They don't go they hit the three, but they don't they're not like the people in the right stuff where no, we're gonna keep going and break.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:56

Killers is almost three and a half hours, bro.

SPEAKER_03 1:02:58

And the Irishman, I mean the Irishman is Yeah, see, that's those are more examples of I haven't seen them, but do they warrant their length? The Irishman was three and a half hours, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:03:08

So you get into these, you know, and and look, if you're telling these five-act movies that should be you should have an intermission, you know, yeah. You should have an intermission. This was what what I was getting to. You know, I I remember seeing Patton in the theater as a kid. I couldn't understand what the hell was going on because that was not not the movie I should have been seeing. I think it was a later release, but there was an intermission, you know, and um these movies should have them. You know, I saw when I saw Lawrence in the theater this last time, they had an intermission. I got up, went to the bathroom, got a drink, came back, sat back down, you know. Um, so and from what I understand, the right stuff had one in the theater, they just didn't put it in the video. I don't know why. That that seems weird, but hey, there you go. I don't I don't I don't make those decisions. Some of my um favorite quotes are our Germans are better than their Germans. And uh I for one do not intend to go to the sleep by the light of a communist moon. Uh Lyndon B. Johnson. Lyndon B. Johnson, he's a real treasure trove in this film of just kind of goofy government, you know? And uh Poncho's Happy Bottom Riding Club, that's a really interesting place for uh Proto-Forest Gumping. Proto-forest gumping, true.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:29

Turning them in the clever edited shots of JFK to make it look like they're in the historical footage. But it is funny when you intercut Dennis Quaid making goofy faces in between the old footage. And you're like, you just can't help but laugh because you're like, look, I know what you're doing, but that's hilariously out of place, you know.

SPEAKER_01 1:04:49

I kind of like that he that he keeps trying to mess with that nurse and she's finally just like, I want to meet your wife. And he's like, Whoa, why? She's like, 'cause I want to meet your wife. Get her here tomorrow. And look, if I show up into an office and you stick a massive needle into my hand and go and go, don't worry about it, and then turn on some electrical current, which which forces my hand to like convulse and seize like like crazy. I'm gonna, and then I have to pick it up and carry it away. I'm gonna punch you in your face, I swear.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:18

I don't know what you know. They actually got to go to the moon.

unknown 1:05:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:23

Don't don't tell me that. What are you worried about? Something you would get at the grocery store. That's all I'm gonna say about that.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:33

You can cut that out if you want. Bunch of fighter pilots jerking off in stalls next to each other. What was that? Hub in the wild blue yonder.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:43

Oh god, that's even almost stranger than the fan stance at the end where it's like patriotic choice. I get it, but you know. And you still get the PG. And I know nobody out there knows Fred TV, but you remember the the dueling fart? Under the I'm thinking, were they inspired by the right stuff? Did I just surprise me at all?

SPEAKER_01 1:06:05

Stop stop singing. Alright, that's it. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:09

You know, I've never seen this movie before. I'd seen pieces. Really? Okay. And I realized as an as a kid, there's no way in hell I could have sat there and watched this whole thing. It just wouldn't have it wouldn't have made sense to me. It was too adult and too slow.

SPEAKER_01 1:06:25

I I I remember as a kid, I caught it later on in on cable, and probably it had to have been 85 or 86 at that point. So I was 12 or 13 and I caught and I I I was really into like the military and aviation and all that type of stuff. And so I knew enough about this that I could follow it. But I even as a kid when I tried to watch it, I remember the beginning and a lot of that stuff being very vague and weird and hard to follow. It's very dry.

SPEAKER_03 1:06:54

At times, yes. I remember the ending of it, I think, more than anything from the past. But then I would go on to watch things like Space Camp.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:04

So yeah, yeah, Space Camp. That's that's part of this, yeah. The whole in the whole enema scene is just weird. Oh my god, that's another bizarre thing.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:12

And the TV this probably would have got a PG 13. A few years later. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:19

Possibly.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:20

But once again, I'm like, hey, if you're a kid and you manage to sit through this whole thing, you're allowed a few F-bombs, an enema joke, a masturbation scene, and a fan dance. Not unlike Star Trek V.

SPEAKER_01 1:07:33

Yeah. Yeah. I think the film is kind of masterful in moving time. I thought you were gonna say masturbating. No, masterful. Uh in moving time. It moves through time very easily and very well. It tells you where it is pretty quickly, and and it changes scenery well. And and uh I you know they're the rocket building sequence, for instance, where they're just showing the rockets getting built, that that whole thing moving through these different periods of uh getting things to the point where they can actually start sending people up and up into the uh it's awesome. The look on their their astronauts' faces are priceless as these things are blowing up and all these things are because they gotta they're gonna have to get in, you know, get into a capsule on one of these damn things. Um I also love how Glenn is like the Boy Scout model American, yet he's the one with the the sort of uh media savvy. You know, he starts talking because he's at that they're at that press conference and he starts talking to the reporters about how you know his his wife backs him and if he wants to be a, you know, if he wants to be an astronaut and his kids do too, and you know, God bless America and all that shit. And then Gordo jumps right in and you know realizes what he's doing, he's like, yeah, it starts piling on. I thought that's a lot of fun. Uh the Cheby Checker version of La Bamba is the worst fucking thing I've ever heard in my entire life. And I reck I recommend that none of you other than this movie ever hear it again.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:05

Right up there with the uh lounge singer and hopscotch.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:09

It's yeah. It's not good. It's like how a white person parses a foreign language because he's just he's just taba the bamba and you're doing la bomba, and you move your hips and you're doing la bomba.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:29

Well, you know, it's it's automatically does fit into the super white nature of the film and the movie. Hints on that too, where the guys one guy's like, Yeah, you're not funny with your Jose Jimenez thing, and then he has to kind of pay for it later when the guy's taking care of him.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:47

Yeah, no, you're very, very true. And and to be fair, covering a famous tune back then was I mean, that's what you know all par for the course, so it all kind of blends in.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:58

But it's terrible. I wouldn't have to do it. That song. Good choice.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:04

Yeah, I remember uh the Russians, you know, the Russians are kicking our asses in the space race, and I remember that actually meaning something as a kid, like that was a big deal, and now you know Elon uses rockets to launch his fucking satellite junk into space. Like it's just so it's so like from from what it used to be and how important it was when the space shuttles were going up, and now it's gone from the right stuff to the wrong stuff. You just nailed it, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:30

If the movie had been thirds, then it would have been like that the people in the late 70s, early 80s, their story with the shuttles to complete the movie.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:41

Yeah, I mean it I guess it's you know, our first astronaut we sent up was laying in a pile of his own piss, so I guess it's not that much of the right stuff.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:49

Just like in Starfighters.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:10:51

Poop and they address it in that movie where they, you know, they're up there so long. What are you gonna do? You know.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:58

Uh uh, the practical effects of this movie are top-notch. Uh, it's a really barring the structure of it and the length or uh whatever, it's a very well-made movie. It looks good, sounds good. I like the way it moves, I like what it's doing for the most part. You know, it's definitely while it was weird in parts, it kept my interest when it was moving correctly.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:24

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:25

It does it always picks itself back up and keeps going. It does linger a bit sometimes, I think. And you know, he's given that press speech, and I'm thinking, oh, look, I know who you are, who you're supposed to be, but you're a new character, I don't know you yet. And also when Fred Ward's talking about the hatch blew up and his wife's trying to console him, and I understand it, but I'm also going, Who are you again? You weren't in the beginning of the movie, so your character is still new enough to where you're getting the dramatic arc, but to me, structurally, that belongs to somebody who was in act one. But it's a long movie, also, so that structure gets thrown out the window because they're fucking long structure.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:11

Again, the only people in act one basically were fucking Chuck Yeager. I mean, he's he's the only person from the act one because once you break the sound barrier, the rest of the movie starts. Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:22

Back to my point of that's where the movie should start. But they uh then those characters you've lived with them since the beginning. It's Dennis Quaid, it's fucking it's everybody else, you know. They're going, they're gonna go to space and they're gonna learn how to train, and within the first 10 minutes of the movie, they're already blowing into that fucking thing, trying to keep the bubble up.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:40

Well, I think again, but look, I like both versions about space travel to discuss it, you know.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:45

I'll also say this. Jaeger's movie was about space travel. I didn't even know it was about the sound barrier until yesterday.

SPEAKER_01 1:12:52

I think part of it is that Jaeger was also considered to be probably the one of the best American pilots we had.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:59

I get what they're doing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:00

But because the NASA wanted college graduates along with pilots, you know, they wanted these astronauts, they didn't want fighter pilots or test pilots, he didn't make it, right? And and he was like they were because I I think the consensus was the dude was a shoe-in.

unknown 1:13:19

Right.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:19

What he does is he lets them all get a record, then he comes along and he breaks the record with all the movie ends, and that was kind of a nice wrap around.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:28

I do like that scene where Gus's wife is talking about how much the military and the government owe her. You know, I that's a great scene where she's you know, she's put up with this shit for so long and and it finally goes wrong, and she doesn't get to have dinner with Jackie, she gets a shitty, she gets a shitty brass band, you know, the military band from the base and and a fridge full of food. And and I I do love that scene at the end where they come out on the porch and they at least get to soak in the reporters and kind of at least that kind of makes them happy, it seems.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:59

So I guess the social media question of the week would be something along the lines of historical accuracy versus, you know, structure of a of a character story, which you know it's it's an interesting discussion. There's there's no right or wrong. The film exists, but it is fun to think about these different ways they could have approached the material.

SPEAKER_01 1:14:20

I think, I mean, I I don't think the movie, I don't think the movie is any different if you other than lengthwise, if you cut his part off. Like if you just start with the sound barrier being broken and you start the movie, you're still not getting as any more character development, really. You'd have to you'd have to write some of the characters movie. You just get a shorter, peppier movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And and this way at least you get some historical context before and after types, yeah. Right. Um but I can control it. I can see your point. Yeah, but I can see your point with like it's a long program.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:53

It's like a short film you watch before the movie. Like how Wes Anderson makes his little short movies you watch. Oh, this is the piece that's a 10-minute thing you watch before the film. And it's almost like, well, here's a 45-minute piece that goes before the right stuff part one.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:11

The Russians want your pecker in their pocket, Marty. Say that five times fast. The Russians want your pecker in their pocket, Marty. Um the February 62 trek, you know, when they when they go out into the Outback, right? John Glenn's up up there, they all have to be. Uh, which is a movie about the Australians who run that that satellite dish. Uh it stars Sam Elliott, or not Sam Elliott, uh Sam what's his name? Um, the guy from Jurassic Park.

unknown 1:15:49

Neil.

SPEAKER_01 1:15:49

Sam Neil.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:50

Yeah. So he was seeing pretty good. He was seeing the sparks the aborigines were blowing into the sky. Is that what we were led to believe?

SPEAKER_01 1:16:00

No, so we're not a fiction movie. That's that's the symbology behind it. The actual according to NASA, the actual science is that there were peroxide crystals that formed from the rockets they were using to adjust the attitude of it. And and when Scott Carpenter went up next, when they when they sent him up into orbit next, he banged on the side of the of the of the fucking capsule and did and recreated the firefly effect. And so they were able to prove that it wasn't actually but then that's not very but that's not very symbolic.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:31

That leads to Joss Whedon's Firefly. There you go, exactly. And then next week when we discuss Serenity.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:40

The whole Glenn in Space Fireflies, uh it up to the parade that Gus didn't get is great.

SPEAKER_03 1:16:46

I I really enjoy it. It was abrupt, wasn't it? He was coming back in, and the next thing you know, it's a parade. I'm thinking, uh-oh, is this a dream sequence? But no.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:54

And then you get Sally Rann and fan dance. That's early 62. Still trying to wrap my head around that one.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:01

Uh I get it, but at the same time, only in 1983, right?

SPEAKER_01 1:17:08

And Gordon Cooper has a uh a road named after him in my town, and it's the one that leads into the state fair. When you turn on the road to go into the state fair, that's Gordo Cooper Boulevard. Hey Marty, you got any beamans?

SPEAKER_03 1:17:25

There used to be a Gordo's restaurant out here, not really.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:34

Um what else you got on this one? This is three and a half, three hours and fifteen minutes. We talked more about Empire than we did this. Unbelievable.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:41

Yeah, I didn't take a lot of notes. I just kind of sat there and took it all in. You know. The movie itself is notes. It's not quite like a lecture of by watching Oppenheimer where you feel like you're watching an audiobook, but it is a lot of exposition.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:59

It's it it they yeah. I mean, the whole movie is basically just telling the story of the space racing. Yeah. There's there's a bit of people, but you're right, it's it is a lot more incidents. Um, I would watch it over Oppenheimer.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:13

Yeah, I would too. It's easier to watch.

SPEAKER_01 1:18:16

You know, and there, I mean, there's a lot. I like if you go through some of these big long three-hour movies like Seven Samurai and Schindler's List, and you know, Godfather Part 2, and you get these movies that are at least or at least up there.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:29

Uh Irish. Godfather 2. What a weird one. Because that one moves so quickly, it doesn't feel like it doesn't feel that way. That's that's a weird one. Avengers endgame is almost three hours. Well, see, the I'm talking the over three, especially the over three and ten. Once you're pushing into that, it's like this is a commitment. Yeah. Oh, and I didn't even mention the evilness of putting a scene where the guy has to pee two hours into the movie. How many people went to the bathroom right there and missed like the next five minutes of the movie? I went before that scene, so it didn't affect me.

SPEAKER_01 1:19:09

My wife has uh is of the opinion that movies are too long, especially the big ones. And so I remember we went to see the final Lord of the Rings, Return of the King. And that's that's what, 320, something like that? It's it's really long. And so but and it's also got it, it's also got one of the worst false endings. Like it it does this stop start on its ending because you know, we get the whole Hobbit's going into his room, and then they're hugging and all that stuff, and then suddenly we have to do the whole thing at the dock, and then we have to do the going away, and then we have to go back to the Shire. And by the time we had gone back to the Shire, my wife in the middle of this theater gets up and goes, Oh fuck this, and just storms out loudly in a packed theater and just storms out. And she waited, and she was so mad because she had to wait like another 20 minutes for the movie to end. So she's just out there in the lobby. And when I got out there, she was like, I've been out here for 20 minutes. I'm like, I the movie kept going. I don't know what to tell you.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:15

All right. I mean, because it's an 11-hour movie, so it has a long ending. Uh-huh. But still at the same time, once the monster's dead, you expect the movie to wrap up pretty quick.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:25

This thing, this thing stayed for another 45 minutes. This is the party guest that was like, Okay, man, we turned the karaoke machine off like an hour ago. It's time for you to go. Oh, I'm breaking Mach 10.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:34

Sorry. Then I'm gonna spin out and then I'm gonna regain control, and then the credits roll with all the Indiegogo backers for 20 more minutes. You know, this movie had very short end credits. We'll have to do some more three-hour movies. Oh, I'm sure. And we'll also have to do some more hour and ten-minute movies, syndicate them.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:57

So, what did you give the right stuff? Well, um, the right stuff. So uh I like talked about this a lot about this movie and thought a lot about it. I've seen it many, many times. Um over the years, I think it's probably, even with some of the fictitious stuff it does and sort of the this the heavy symbolism, the the big opener, it's probably the most accurate um movie we have about American spaceflight and that type of thing. Um, so not only is it historically kind of cool, it's also tells a really cool story. It's got a great cast, uh, really well made. I'm gonna go four stars on it. I'm gonna go four. I'm gonna go four.

SPEAKER_03 1:21:39

Yeah, I'm not too far behind. I use three and a half. It's still very good movie. Just feels like uh two movies in one, maybe even three movies hiding in there. But of course, you couldn't make long form TV the way you could now back then. So, how else are you gonna tell a story like this in 1983 on the big screen?

SPEAKER_01 1:22:01

So I feel like this would have been like we talked about a really amazing eight-part miniseries or like a you know three uh three two-hour events, like some Thornbirds type shit, you know, from back in the day. It would have been really good that way.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:16

This was the 98th episode of the show. Wow. So we're coming into our next 100, where a whole bunch of other episod movies are coming. I mean, season three started with always, and it's wrapping up with the right stuff. And somehow the last waltz thematically fits in somewhere in the middle. It's strange how these movies all wrap up together, but what comes in the future?

SPEAKER_04 1:22:40

Well, I guess we'll see.

SPEAKER_03 1:22:43

What's episode 99? That's what we're doing next week, sir. What what movie could you possibly have in store for us in '99, or do you want me to say mine first?

SPEAKER_01 1:22:55

Um I think I think I have one for you here. Um and this is right around this is gonna be right around New Year's, right?

SPEAKER_03 1:23:08

Right after. Right in the middle of December. Okay, so nine is December 15th.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:17

Alright, cool. So I'm gonna give you this uh little film that um got some pretty good reviews. It's an older one. We'll see how you like it. It's called Local Hero.

SPEAKER_03 1:23:26

Oh, you're bringing Local Hero to the show. Good thing I didn't book a guest and have them pick that movie. That's alright, because I've been curious about that one. That's one that comes up a lot. That's one that uh Jim from Bravo, one of his favorite films I've heard. Uh there's an episode of MST, I think it's Monster of Gogo, where they're like, look, you can watch the shitty movie, or we can watch the good movie. And the good movie was Local Hero, and needless to say, they did not end up watching Local Hero that episode, but I've always been curious about the film, and I've kind of had a hard time finding a copy. So that's why I haven't been able to see it. And hey, it's one less blind pick for me to give you in the future.

SPEAKER_01 1:24:12

So what's I haven't seen it either, so I figured I figured one last blind pick for the first 100. Nice.

SPEAKER_03 1:24:17

Episode 99. Uh let's rip this bandage off. Return of the Jedi next week, sir. We gotta do these before 100. Why? Predictable. Because I wanted to. Because they are very core of you know, making Pondo. This the original Star Wars trilogy had a lot to do with inspiring us as filmmakers, and we've had pretty good conversations on Star Wars and Empire. Uh uh needless to say, I'm not going to be going into the other movies anytime soon. I really just want to get to these three. And also don't watch the one with the uh Jedi rap in it. Be sure to save yourself that and watch the original cut of Jedi as well. Unless you want to watch that drooling monster.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:05

I was kind of looking forward to that Jedi rap.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:07

Well, you can watch both.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:09

Okay. All right. No, I just uh that's fine. No, I I figured it was coming. You you know you get on these rolls, and I just uh as long as we don't do it with the Lord of the Rings, we'll be fine, because otherwise that's gonna be a long three weeks.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:25

Yeah, it would be a bit before I would feel like being that's like, oh my god, oh my god.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:33

No, I'd prep other people are probably just like, what is he talking about? I watch all those in a row in a day. Watch all three in one episode or something. Yeah, it's different. Yeah. Anyway. Okay. That sounds good.

SPEAKER_03 1:25:47

Alright, about people trying to get into space and other people who were already in space. That's right. Next week, maybe it's the same theme.

SPEAKER_01 1:25:56

I don't know. I've never seen local hero. We'll see. Return of the Jedi, you know, maybe it's all about trying to kill your dad. Maybe they're both about that. Maybe it's about three foot murder bears.

SPEAKER_03 1:26:09

Yeah, they are vicious.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:13

Do you want to get out of here on a quote?

SPEAKER_02 1:26:15

It's about those damn skywalkers. Fucking the whole thing up.

SPEAKER_01 1:26:22

Sometimes you get a pooch that can't be screwed. This is no cave.