Jason Hewlett on The Promise, Overcoming Challenges, and Embracing Authenticity

Join Jason Tharp on the Beyond Hope Project Podcast as he engages in a heartfelt conversation with Jason Hewlett, Hall of Fame Keynote Speaker and Author of “The Promise To The One”. Discover Jason’s journey from entertainer to inspirational leader, his insights on embracing authenticity, and the importance of keeping promises to oneself. This episode is packed with wisdom on overcoming challenges, finding your true path, and inspiring others along the way.

MEET JASON HEWLETT:
Jason Hewlett, CSP, CPAE, is a Hall of Fame Keynote Speaker, Author, Award-Winning Entertainer, Coach & Consultant. His book, "The Promise To The One" debuted at #1 in Spiritual Self-Help on Amazon in 2020, and his Dry Bar Comedy Special, "Father Time", is a YouTube viral hit. He lives in South Jordan, UT, loves to hike, ski, and travel in the RV with his family, beautiful wife, Tami, and 4 amazing children. He is the President of Utah founded company, Cardio Miracle, a nitric oxide and D3 supplement that helps oxygenate the blood vessels and assists with cardiovascular and heart disease challenges.

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Transcript

go to Great we've heard that quote Yeah but truly what is your promise to

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yourself if you promised yourself you were going to do that and let go of what was good and you say I still have great

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I got to go for it even if it means we're going to starve a little bit and we have starved my friend we have

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starved but it's finally worked yeah because if you have enough resolve to

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say I'll leave those other clients behind in order for this to come in and

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create something new then you just get new clients then you build it up again and here's what's fascinating man once I

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brought in the new stuff and the leadership and the teachings and the promise and I melded it with the

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entertainment once the entertainment didn't just outshine the message but the

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message was so strong that it was supported within the entertainment guess who came back those clients all those

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clients [Music]

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Jason thank you so much for joining me on the beyondo project podcast uh we have uh really just met and had one

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conversation so I I appreciate you diving deep in with me here uh on the second meeting to go straight into like

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letting me drill you with a bunch of questions so I appreciate that man let's do it man I'm I'm happy to be hanging

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with the champion of Hope himself that's right what a deal what a deal yeah so

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before we jump I want to I want to kind of Define what hope is for you then I'll start the first question so how we Define hope here is this idea of the

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ignition switch so it's the the beginning of your journey finding the path right and then you're going to start down your path like everybody does

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and some people are going to uh try to find latch on to a guru or L latch on to somebody else's way and ultimately you

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know it's not going to work out or something's going to go bad and most people will say I'm a failure what we try to do also then is use hope as a

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definition of like well you didn't fail you learned path just might have moved let me show you it's over this way so

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it's really on the mission of showing somebody the path to what their intention is um so when you kind of hear

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that definition first question is is that if you could go back to any part of Jason's life ever and sit down with them

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and give them that definition of Hope like what kind of context would that be

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in maybe what age and what do you think how the respond would be and that's a

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deep question right off the bat I love it you know I I think I grew up very lucky to

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have parents that helped me to find that quickly and I believe that it was

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probably when I was about to fail school and I was I was not doing well in that sense and so if I could go back that

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would be the place that I would naturally go back to where my parents were like hey look things aren't going

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well school-wise you're not able to read you're not you know you're having a speech impediment I had all these

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challenges that they were not sure what to do do you hold him back do you keep him you know where he is it was

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Kindergarten first grade second grade third grade my dad sat me down and he gave me a bunch of books and he said I

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know you can't really read cpot run and those types of things but you need to at least know these books and he introduced

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me to the greatest salesman in the world by Og mandino and he introduced me to

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The Power of Positive Thinking by Norman Vincent Peele and as a man thinketh by James Allen and How to Win Friends and

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Influence People by Dale Carnegie like titles that you look at now and you're like that sounds like an insane book but

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like changed my life because I slowly chopped away at them and that was my first real glimmer of hope I would say

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to to be able if I could go back and be like hey you know what you do this stuff just like you are going to and it will

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change everything for you and and it did and I'm grateful that I had that kind of foundation from parents that saw

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something in me even though everybody else is like ah this guy needs to be held back we need to put him in speech therapy and whatever type of therapy to

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figure out what's going on cuz he can't sit still and uh yeah that changed a lot for me I'm grateful for parents like

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that I hope that answered the question that's de great no that's a great it's a great and that that is definitely a uh a

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big book to chunk off you know when when my son got a little older I started he wanted to start making money and I was

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like I was like okay well he's too young to get a job so I I did a thing with him where I said you know if you pick any

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book off my shelf I'll pay 20 bucks if you read it but the catch is that you have to give me a report on it and the

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first one he chunk off was was uh The Alchemist and I was like I was like okay dude and you know and I I want to say he

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was maybe fifth sixth grade at that time and he understood it and I was like all

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right well you know this is like the foundational stuff man like it's really you know if I could have back to his age

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and had known that stuff like it's great so Kudos your dad for kind of going like you know hey they may say this but I see

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something else and I think a lot of times we we uh can reflect back at those moments of those people that have been

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in our life and I you know I think that there are those those other parts that

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you know where we're struggling I think people forget all of the guideposts that show up in our world um and you're out

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there doing that now for a lot of people yourself and do you think that that is a direct reflection of having those in

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your life is that what kind of drove you to doing what you're doing now absolutely I mean I'm very blessed

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and lucky to have parents like that I know not everybody does but hopefully they find the mentors that change their

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world or the friendships that help them to see something about themselves they don't and I i' call it the MCM process

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when we figure out that which makes us unique and ICM stands for identify clarify magnify so they were helping

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clarify for me things I had yet to ident identify that I had in me so now I can magnify those with the world you know

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and so I'm so thankful for parents like that and I think you know as you introduced or allow your son to write a

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report for 20 bucks and read a book like The Alchemist I mean give me some Paulo

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Quello all day I'm I'm all in that's crazy good stuff that's hard read but it

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proves to you that you can do it right and then the next thing you know you see the World opened up in a different way

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When leaders are readers we know those quotes I mean I just I'm just proud of your son man I don't even know him

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that's great story what so you know one of the things I I'm always like curious about is that

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I'm sure that in your process of coming through things people approach you all the time that are shy about asking for

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help or maybe at one point in time you were shy about asking for help you know in your looking back on your career and

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where you've been like what have you learned about asking for help and what what would be the best piece of advice

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you would tell people that are trying to reach up to those people that maybe are where they want to be or you know you're

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stuck in a spot and I think the reason why I asked that is because I think so many people when they get there uh

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especially if they're shame driven like it tends to be a shame Point like they don't know something or they're stupid and I don't want to ask this question so

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those kind of shrink so um I'd love to hear your idea of like what is some good advice for somebody looking for help or

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asking for help cool questions man so I wanted to

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go into the entertainment business right as I became an adult you know I'm 21 years old trying to figure out what to

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do with life and I truly thought I would go to the top right away like real fast I I had this whole plan mapped out I'm

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gonna make 10 million a year and then a 100 million and I mean like I had this whole thing planned out so I went to the

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top like I reached out to the guys what 20 plus years ago that were at the top

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Robin Williams Jim Carrey there's a Vegas Entertainer named Danny Gans I mean there were guys that I was like I'm

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going to reach out to them so for some reason I never had the lack of confidence to reach out to them but when

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they never responded that was tough for me and the only reason I'm sharing that

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as the example to this answer of to your question is that I didn't have the fear

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to reach out to them I never did because I just assumed that they would help me and I thought that they would be ready

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to be you know have their hand out to give me a chance and leg up Steve Martin these like Martin Short these people

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that I saw as like comedy Heroes but also uh people that were inspiring to me

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as well like they did up and the up stuff that was cool so I never heard back and I remember I I found then there

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was another tear down like Carrot Top or that guys that had shows you know in

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Vegas and a guy named Gordy Brown actually was at the Golden Nugget in

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Reno if I recall and he was like in that you know level of you don't he's not a

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household name yet but he's one of the best acts you've ever seen and that guy

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reached out to me like he responded to me and I couldn't I couldn't believe it because nobody else on that A-list had

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and here was a guy who was like on his way to A-list and he reached out to me I remember as a young 20s something he

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actually sent me his this book called How to be a working comic and I wasn't

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trying to be a comedian I was trying to be an Entertainer on in Vegas and then I wanted to be a speaker too so I was

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reaching out to Zig Ziggler and these top speakers you know that that wouldn't reach out to me either and I found that

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interesting too but you'll like this story he actually took his book that he

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had on his shelf called how to be a working comic all of his notes um were in it you know and he thought I'm going

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to get this for this kid that I don't know because he reached out to me to ask for advice he goes to the bookstore he

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buys it he uh he then sends it to me but he wrote my name and you'll appreciate

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this he wrote my name j a y s o n which it's just j o n and his assistant told

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me this story later because he had written it incorrectly my name the way he spelled it he found that out as they

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were addressing the labels to send this book to me so instead he grabbed the book off his shelf his own book that he

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had all the notes in and he wrote my name correctly and then he sent me his

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copy wow and I mean that's a killer story right like

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and he kept the one for himself that he had misprinted my name now this guy became a mentor for me you know a guy

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that I could look to that I was like now that's how you Mentor somebody and his

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assistant told me this whole story about what Gordy Brown who was making millions went through to help a guy he'd never

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heard of and he said hey I watched your video I think you're G to make it I I all you have to do is continue to create

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material don't stop trying and you know Jason I find it interesting how many of

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the a-listers weren't willing to help me but somebody who was just like a couple levels above where I want where I was

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like please if I could get here I'd be thrilled right and maybe I'm not going to conquer the world like a movie star

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but I could do something at a Cino I could be an act uh I would just say that

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you need to reach out and not be fearful when they don't respond and the fact that you can reach out to anyone at any

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level until you find that person who will reach back and this is where the promise comes in that I speak on I say

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I'm now at a level where a lot of people want to be and I'm not a list but I'm

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Hall of Fame speaker I've made a lot of money as an Entertainer and stuff I made a promise to myself that

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I'm GNA be like Gordy Brown and anybody that reaches out to me I'm reaching back and I it's I'm not at the top of the

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mountain but while I'm climbing the mountain I can certainly reach and help others come along with me right and that

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became a true promise for me and so so anybody that ever wants to talk I'm I'm here like I'm ready to talk and there's

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a lot of people that do reach out I'm thankful for that but it taught me a lot to say okay if you're at the top of the

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mountain maybe you're not going to reach back but if somebody's climbing the mountain I'm going to reach out for them

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because nobody did at that top level for me and then I found the guy Gordy Brown

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made a huge difference in my life I love that guy he's still down at the I think he's at the golden nuggets still in Las

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Vegas he's downtown Gordy Brown he's one of the best there is an amazing impressionist comic musical like he's a

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genius he's a he can he can do cartoons he's a great artist anyway I I've

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actually never gotten to share that story on a podcast because no one's ever asked me that question that's amazing that's amazing and do you have you kept

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in touch with him throughout the years yeah yeah yeah I I'll sometimes I'll go to his show and just be in the back

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because he and I have had career past that have been very similar where I've I've had opportunities that uh you know

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that he's had as well already so I'd call him and say hey what do you think about this and he was very very cordial

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to me very kind yeah and anytime I'm at his show he'll actually the last time I

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went I didn't know he looks at the list of people that just buy a ticket online because I'll never call and ask someone

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to just come to their show so I buy a ticket somewhere in the theater I'm sitting in the back by myself just laughing my guts out and right before

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the end of the show he goes hey everybody I just want to say one of the greatest artists entertainers presenters

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in the world is here and I'm looking around and like oh Don Donnie osman's here you know like I didn't know he

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talking he goes Jason huet a guy you may not have heard of yet but he's he's on

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his way and I mean they always turn the light on me I mean it's crazy he's such a stud so there are guys like that out

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there but they're few and far between if you find him you gota hang on to him you know I agree with you man it's amaz I

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when I when I go into elementary schools um I don't do a lot of school visits anymore but when I used to always tell

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kids I was like you know if we were to Pretend We're going to go on a field trip we're going to go out this big mountain and we all have to put our toes

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at the base of the mountain and the rules are we get to take three steps back and on the count of three at the

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same time we're all going to Sprint to the top of the mountain and you can't stop to get to the top how how easy

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would that be and the kids are like way too hard and then I'm like but but I didn't tell you the other part this

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around the corner there's a path and along that path there's benches and people that'll pick up your stuff for

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you and carry and there's horses there's places to rest to get food and all stuff like that and uh how much easier would

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we get to that top then like oh of course it's a lot easier so I think you know what what just to Echo back what

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you're saying is for everybody to hear that is that you know it it's just because the people at the top aren't getting back to you doesn't mean that

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you're on the wrong path it just it just means you just got to keep asking the questions and I think this is where a

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lot of people fail is they they think that you know and I'm speaking from my own experience it's like you know what

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you're sharing is impactful you've been told what you're doing is impactful it could be really frustrating when you're

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trying to reach out to those people and you're not getting that response just like you said it's like having the guts

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to reach out I think most people could say especially this day and age where where it's you know a keyboard's in

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front of you it's not so hard to send an email but it is dealing with that rejection of that and I'm just curious

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like what was it that made you back then because you didn't have the emails and

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all that stuff like that like what made you continue to push through that was that just this Burning Desire or was it

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something you picked up in books like what would be the what would be that part that was that always that spark that kind said one more reach out like

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one like maybe one more like what was that for you uh well I was early 20s obviously

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internet was nothing as you know I mean back in what early 2000s we were just

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figuring things out yeah like iPods were just showing up for the first time and

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emails was really not a thing yet and so I was still using a video cassette to send to people and then it converted to

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DVD like I've been through all that craziness I mean I even had cassette tapes and then converted to CDs like

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that's how long I've been doing this right wow so yeah I mean it was not as easy as just sending an email which

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wasn't even the thing it was writing a letter it was sending a video cassette it was it was like crazy stuff why

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didn't I stop I'll tell you I was in my 20s man I

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had no fear M I just I thought I was great I don't know what it was I I

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remember watching them and thinking I'm as good as that already I just thought that and I think it was because I had

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already had a lot of reps being on stage doing stuff anywhere and made everybody

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laugh or inspired somebody with a great story and I thought I'm as I'm as good as that or I will be I just need their

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help to open some doors and teach me a little bit eventually I found out that a lot of them have written books where

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they had documentaries made about them and so then I could study their lives and see where the pitfalls were that

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made a big difference but I I just for some reason I felt like I was this is a calling man yeah like this is my thing

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that I must do it's not like I want to do it yeah it's like I have to do it or

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I will die yeah and there is no other path and it's when people talk about

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burn the ships and the whole thing I'm like yeah that was my life I I had full rght scholarships to college offers

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other things and I just I was like no I'm going to Las Vegas yeah I am going

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to speak to people and perform for everyone and I'm doing this on a street corner if I have to we used to park cars

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in circles around me at the snowshack at the grocery store in Utah which is like

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not a street dancer place but they' put lights around me on my friend's cars and

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I would dance in front of the snow Shack where they'd make the little ices while people walking into a grocery store on a

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fr Friday night they're like what is this guy doing in Utah thinking he's a street dancer and I was just dancing and

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like getting enough money to take my friends to the Dollar movies like I put in the hours I knew I was good yeah

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that's amazing that's where I went where was the uh what was the first place you played in

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Vegas oh I I got a show called The Legends in Concert okay and it was at

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the Imperial Palace which is gone now but it was the nicest hotel for decades

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and it was a show of impersonators oh cool so you could impersonate Elvis then

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you were an Elvis impersonator there but you had to be the best in the world you had to look just like him sing Talk

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everything just like him you had to keep the promise that the show sold which was

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if this person has passed away you now get to see them for real like crazy you know that's wild and and then I got to

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impersonate two people for that show that were quite difficult to categorize as somebody that could do both and pull

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it off both the look The Sound everything so I would open the show as Elton John okay and then I would come

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back a couple of characters later after you know a lady did Tina Turner or a guy did the Elvis and then I would come back

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on stage as Ricky Marton and so I was doing both of those characters no one knew it was the same guy that was a cool

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start to my career that's wild and so did you did you have to like just watch like tons of videos of these guys and

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just was was impersonation something that was in your wheelhouse or was this something you're like I got this gig I

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got to learn it kind of thing yeah no I went after it I was I was good at impersonating voices as a kid just you

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know when we were little PeeWee Herman was the biggest TV star and so that was like the first voice I figured out I

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could do and others for some reason couldn't nail it and I was just like hey

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everybody you know and they're like how are you doing that you know a few years later they're like you can't do that at

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school man but like yeah found out I could do those types of voices and then I could I

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could do cartoons like Mickey and Donald and Goofy from Disney like oh boy hi

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everybody Mickey Mouse here all right where's Goofy Mickey hi everybody you know so I

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I could do those sounds and and voices and then found out I could sing and do voices like the classics the oldtime

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Louie Armstrong like and I think to myself what a wonderful word you know

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and so add all these things into an act and that's what Gordy Brown was doing he

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was doing this show of all these characters that were just perfect impersonation but they were parody yeah

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it's like taking weird ow but you sound like the artist yeah and so it was just so funny so I put together a show like

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that and uh Legends in Concert saw it I got an audition with the right people and it was a blessing and they saw me do

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all these characters they're like okay well we can't have you do Jim Carrey because that makes no sense in the this show you don't sound enough like Billy

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Joel you you don't look like Michael Jackson so can you do Ricky Martin I'm like Liv

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in hey you know they're like wow right makeup right leather pants you can pull

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that right together you and so the next thing I knew I was also becoming Elton John for them and I had to learn the

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piano and all his styling that was tricky because he you know you think he just an English accent it's not yeah

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it's also a country Honky Tonk twang in that voice when he sings It's like

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goodbye those around you know so he has that really interesting thing about him like I

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remember when a rock was young me had so much

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fun yeah so I got to do that and figured it out I could tell hear it with you

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doing I'm like oh yeah that's right yeah I can hear it he has a he has a country voice in an

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English accent it's the only one like it that's amazing so it's it you know

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sounds like what you've been able to do is is to get to your dream

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is understand that it takes multiple paths sometimes it's we have this idea

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of what it is you know and especially as young people um I've talked to many young people myself and it's like you

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know you think it's a straight line but it's it's going to be twisted in knots and and you're going to want to quit a

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thousand times and and I always I've always told people the best part is is

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that most people will quit you know it's because it's those of us that are like no no this is what I'm supposed to do

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and I think you know um what from a personal standpoint for me and I'm

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curious if it was the same for you is I tried running from it many times and like not wanting to do it

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but it always kept showing back up and it was like the universe was like yo like you can run but you can't hide and

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the last kick for me was without a doubt the brain tumor it was just like all

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right like you know do we have to kick harder you know and you know did you

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have that same experience or was it always like once you made that decision you're going all in and that's it

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well dude that's powerful what you just said and I'll tell you you're absolutely

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right it is not a straight path and there are people that think it is and then they're gone I did know that if I

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just hung in there it would allow me to succeed there's no question so that's the first thing you're talking about the

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calling man I mean you cannot hide from it and it's not just the calling from

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the universe it is a from deep inside yeah you cannot run or hide

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and I'm proud of you for not going away I mean brain tumor stuff like that my gosh man

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I you have to talk right you have to inspire people with that and so I love

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that and yeah it's been a crazy path I mean I thought I was going to be an Entertainer in Vegas I had the opportunity at the casinos by the time

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I'm 25 I'm being offered the big contracts and you know um timing is is

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interesting I had offers from great places from billionaires from

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opportunities no people can hardly dream of and they always needed me to have it

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be managed and changed and they wanted to shift the direction I wanted to go

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and so I turned away a lot of great opportunities in the face of or on the

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foundation of what is my promise to myself and my legacy and my family so

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even before we had kids I I was thinking what are they going to think if Daddy

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accepts this and changes his principles and all that and that was at that time

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what I needed to do and so then the straight line curves and you go and you

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just pray and well you know it's one thing to pray on your knees it's another thing to get up and work I think you got

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to do but a bunch of both and so as I worked hard and obviously other people

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also helped me in major ways I can never say it was alone especially my wife my

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wife was the ultimate support I'm nothing without her and I'm nothing without these kids that support this dad

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who travels and does gigs but there was a thing that said inside of me I I want to entertain I want to make people laugh

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but I want to spread Joy it's not just about making you laugh like a comedian can which is amazing but can I move you

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can I help you get to a place of doing something different can I teach you something through the wackiness of the

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comedy I can do in order for you to step into your greatness and your strength and that was why I said okay I'm going

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to entertain first but eventually I'm going to land at this place where I'm an author I'm a speaker I'm I'm teaching

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others I'm helping the world in that sense and that's where it's come and it's not a straight line and that's

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what's beautiful that's amazing and I I just got to tell you like from from just a personal standpoint I I'll put this on

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here but uh you know that what you just said was just like a level of mentorship

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to me because I just just had this happen this past week where you you know

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I've been going back and forth of like you know I don't want to stop doing the kids stuff in the books 100% but at the

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same time I don't like the fact that Publishers are kind of like saying this is what we want or you know directing it

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and you're like I but okay that's great but that's not what I want to do and then at the same time going doing you

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know I love doing the the Keynotes and things like that and I just did a keynote where I was like I don't think

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I've had this many people crying at this thing and people like left and I'm like oh God like I did something wrong like

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you know it's like almost like that shame but then you know afterwards you reflect it was like afterwards it was like no no no that was it was really

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great and you know all stuff like that but it is that moments where you kind of go like in those Quiet Moments when it's

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all over you can start to see the blueprint of it all start to lay out and say like oh wait a minute I can do all

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of these things you know and it works out but I think where people get lost in

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the shuffle of Chasing the Dream is they think that because our our our line is so straight our one-sided thinking you

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don't realize that like it's a convergent path where it may be this but

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all it is is finding somebody that helps you get that part done and helps you get this part done it's the same message you

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know it's it is it's just filtered through a different filter and um so I appreciate you sharing that with me

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because I totally just as you were saying I was like oh my God yeah that's that's what I've experienced just literally over this last week and uh so

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yeah good for you man good on you keep keep it rolling because here's the thing you've been you have you have such a

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strong brand because you're so good at what you've done and everyone knows you for that and loves you for it but you

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also have these other dreams and these other capabilities these other things that you're like come on what about this

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and you try to put it over here and they're like no stay in this Lane right right and they're like we won't accept

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that so here's what I've had to do which has been tricky I mean I'm known as this Entertainer for all these years and I

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tried to then say hey I can also do leadership speeches you know they're like no you're 9 pm show guy and I'm

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like what about 9:00 am keynote leadership guy and they're like we don't want that you're not you're not that guy

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but I'm thinking wait a minute I know I have all this here and they're gonna love it and here's what I had to do

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Jason I had to say goodbye to those clients that only said you're only this

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guy and I was like well actually I'm graduating to this other level and I'm going to combine it all and there's no

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one that can do what I do there's no one that can do what you do right I believe that everyone listening or watching

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there is no one that can do what you do but you must be brave enough to say goodbye to what's good to go to Great

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we've heard that quote Yeah but truly what is your promise to yourself if you promised yourself you

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were going to do that and let go of what was good and you say I still have gr I got to go for it even if it means we're

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going to starve a little bit and we have starved my friend we have

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starved but it's finally worked yeah because if you have enough resolve to

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say I'll leave those other clients behind in order for this to come in and

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create something new then you just get new clients then you build it up again and here's what's fascinating man once I

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brought in the news stuff and the leadership and the teachings and the promise and I melded it with the

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entertainment once the entertainment didn't just outshine the message but the

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message was so strong that it was supported within the entertainment guess who came back those clients all those

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clients they're like hey wait why did you leave us and I'm like I've been here the whole time right I didn't go

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anywhere yeah that's amazing man that's really great what so I'm just curious

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like what in your in between all the entertaining and and the speaking what would be you would say like that was the

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coolest moment like do you have one that sticks out in particular where you were just like because I I mean I know we

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have these as speakers these moments where you're just like oh dude this is gonna it's it's it's our moment we're

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going to never forget that what would be what would be like one or two of yours that you just it's just cemented in

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there it's like yeah I did it I nailed it right this is pretty bmk

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I mean I burned the ships in 2016 I changed my website I mean it was all

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entertainment up until then so from 2001 to 2016 I was just promoting show stuff

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entertainment stuff and then in 2016 I said I'm now a speaker I'm happy to MC

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your event but I'm not going to come and do a show I'd like to be your your speaker and people thought I was crazy I

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mean I was teaching people how to create a career out of it and they were going this is crazy what you're doing but for

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me I needed to make a big Stark shift and it and it did not work at first took

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a long time and it started really get some steam by 2019 2020 and then boom

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right now we're all doing it on Zoom so I can say

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this I believe that even what are we 2024 okay eight years

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in uh 3 days ago in Vegas I got to do a presentation to a group of a hundred

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doctor practitioners and it was a very small thing which I'm normally getting to do

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you know thousands of people I did an arena the three days before for 10,000 people so it was a big different week

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right 10,000 people now I'm doing a 100 but this is what was cool man those

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people saw me 10 years ago and they like this better that's

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awesome and this was the speech mixed with the show and they all came away

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like what just happened never seen anything like it and I said there isn't

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anything like it and you have the same and I hope you'll go for it that's amazing and yeah I think it's

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continually confirmed to me and that's what I'm saying there yeah there are duds the one in front of 10,000 people

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that was for kids I'm not I'm not good at kids right now it's just not a good time for me

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like I don't look like I'm still in my 30s with buff arms like you man I'm like you look amazing I look like the grandpa

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that wants to scream at him and so that gig was not great yeah

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but the practitioners they went nuts over it right they were like we saw you 10 years ago we didn't think it could

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get better but now you have a message of inspiration yeah and you can teach us

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how we can do it ourselves like come on who does this and I'm like nobody yeah

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and that's the same as you you are just like nobody you're yourself you're the best yeah that that that's that's so

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right on I mean I think that's that's one thing that people Miss is we're all out there seeking right everybody's out

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seeking this answer and it really does come down to the fact that like you know there's nobody on Earth that can do

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exactly what you do and the exact way you do it like stop looking for that person like you know and I know you and I had that whole conversation you know

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uh separately when we just first met it was this like you know thing and you know you were gracious enough to just be

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honest and give me honest feedback and and it was just like those are the moments that change your your your life

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really it's it's realizing that when you I always like to say is how many damn times do I have to hear the same thing

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before I finally let it sink in you know and and it I don't know if it comes from

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having that you know I'm not sure you were you a very confident kid like I was

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the opposite like for me I was like the kid I was very insecure I went through a lot of bullying stuff like that but I

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never learned how to like myself myself at a young age so it wasn't until I got older that I learned to start to like

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myself I didn't believe in it but it really truly was the brain TR the brain cancer transformation that really forced

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me to face that I had been lying to myself all along like I just was wearing a different mask and I did so I got so

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good at it I was able to fake it to myself you know and it was like when I was alone and felt invisible was when I

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was like oh wait a minute dude like who are you gonna turn to now and I think that's where it finally started

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sinking in and now when people are telling me this stuff it's a whole different ball game so I I have no doubt

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that this people that are seeing you 10 years later it's because you're you're living into what you set out to be all along it

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just you you figured it out you know naturally which is amazing and you know

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um so kudos to you for that that's that's awesome well I think it's a lot of trial

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and error really and as a kid no conf confidence no but willingness to be

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funny or be stupid or try something be ugly to make a face to make people laugh like I found out I could do this with my

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lips you know and people would laugh and and they'd be like that's so ugly but it made them laugh and so I could lean into

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oh I'm ugly which you know I mean I I believe that when people say that but I

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also think uh when they say that's funny that's more important yeah and so

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I can either hide it forever and never do the lip thing again or I can share it

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as a gift to them that makes them laugh and that's something that I'm willing to

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do and so I would say that yeah I didn't have much confidence but eventually grew into it realizing that yeah I can make

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people laugh with these faces or these voices eventually School wasn't as

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difficult because I realized all I have to do is enough homework and I can get through it yeah and I became a leader

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through being a reader and by serving and by recognizing the talents of others

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and realizing oh yeah I'm different I'm weird but so is that guy and I I want to

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help him get to where he wants to go and so I think that the confidence comes in

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keeping promises to yourself and that was just in how many

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how many hours am I willing to put in to draw this picture yeah you know how how

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many hours am I willing to put in to figure out how to do a moonwalk like Michael Jackson

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you know I mean those types of things to me was powerful enough to say someday somebody's going to look at this and go

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whoa and that is where my confidence started to grow is to say yeah if I put

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the time in I can make somebody really say wow but it also it says to myself

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that if I put my mind to it and it happens um I've I've accomplished

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something pretty cool even if it's just a moment on stage and that has really

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given me a great chance for many years to bless a lot of lives that's awesome what a great answer man so you know I'm

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looking at the clock here I can't believe it's like we've been talking already like you know uh but I do have I

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do have a question that I think is a good is a good segue question into talking about the confidence and all

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stuff like that if you if you could duplicate the young version of you

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that went through all the hard times reading and all of those things and your dad giving you all stuff like that and

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you know set him across the table from you and kind of explain to him all the stuff that you're doing now like what do

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you think that kid would think about all the stuff that you've been able to

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do I bet it think is a lie I I'm serious because like as a kid

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and this is a funny one to even think about because I it's weird to say it out loud but as a kid I was told I was ugly

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by so many women and girls and people all the time and if would have looked

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across this at that kid across the table and said someday you'll impersonate the

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sexiest man alive as Ricky Martin like that makes no sense like I would have

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thought you are insane but what what I like about it is to say if if I were

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looking across little me back then I would say that also in some ways he

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would believe it and say okay I I think uh I know I'm a Child of

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God so he's got something for me that's enough for me yeah that's awesome well I

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do have one last question because I the Micky Martin thing because I didn't ask it earlier how hot are leather pants

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dude here's the here's the thing Las Vegas is one thing to wear leather pants that's tough but I actually started

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started the career because they hired me at Legends and concert which is based in Vegas but they had shows all over the

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country so the first place they sent me to like get my feet wet a little thousand seat theater in a place called

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Surfside Beach in Myrtle Beach South Carolina in July humid yeah dude I I I

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remember the first gig I had was not in the theater it was in the back of a open convertible outside for a Fourth of July

39:50

fair oh and I had to be Ricky Martin and all my makeup just dripping off my face

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with the leather jacket as women were throwing you know their bras at me on this on this

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parade and I was like what am I doing that kid across the table would

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never believe this one that's crazy yeah so they didn't have like it was actual

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leather pants you didn't have like some fake ones that you could was breathable oh sheez the the pleather breathable or

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awful looking on stage so you had to get the real oh yeah I think I bought him at like a Davidson store or something you

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know that's wild that's wild well hey you know what you got to do for the for the dream

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right I can't if I could still fit into those pants there would be some big laughs around here I was say I was gonna

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ask if you ever you ever like go like slip into it and come out with the kids and like be like check this

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out daddy Martin yeah that's wild man well Jason

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you know before we wrap up and I just I just want to thank you uh for one taking

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the time to talk to me like taking a time to talk to a stranger for everybody listening to this I will tell you that

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uh Jason was exactly the same authentic person when it was just he and I on a

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zoom call when we first talked as he is here so he's a legit uh and I I definitely encourage you if you're

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looking uh to to become a speaker performance stuff you know Jason's Jason is out there helping everybody uh in

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multiple ways which all those links are going to be in the show notes um you have like every way to connect on in

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here which is great so um I encourage you all to reach out um and you know he's a good dude this is this is Jason I

41:41

mean this is the same guy I met so and also I just want to just like you know just thank you and celebrate you being

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in this world and sharing this world with me and you know taking the time to do what you do and to continually show

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up and be resilient in your passion and and pursuit of your dream um you know

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and you know it's it's really awesome and and hopeful for me to even see like that you can have multiple levels of

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this dream Chase and you know what you start in one and change direction and end up where you're ultimately doing

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some of the stuff you really love and it's a combo of all those things so uh kudos to you for doing that man and uh

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just appreciate you and uh yeah and you know share this hope with people because

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I know and Jason knows there's at least two people out there that you know that need to hear this thing you should be sharing with them so they can share with

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two people and this is how we're going to share this hope and this message to other people so I'll give the floor to you do you have anything else you'd like

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to say before we go Jason I'm honored to know you I mean honestly a guy that's been through what you've been through

42:41

and come out the other side and being this Light Of Hope to others that you're

42:47

you are a champion it's a great title for yourself I'm telling you that I know it's been given to you and so that's

42:53

that's right on and I'm just thankful that I get to meet such power amazing people what's sad to me is how many of

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us think that we need to stay in The Stadium seats when we should be in the arena and we should just be down there

43:07

getting beat up a little bit and it's okay I I've had a lot of critics that have said some really hurtful things through the years and it pushes me to

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continue to just say I know I'm going on the right path if people don't like what I'm doing and it's it's the right thing

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for me I know it and so yeah I've been grateful and lucky to write books and

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obviously there's some on Amazon about me you know the promise to the one is a great book that I've written and it's a

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it's a good book and it makes you think what's my promise to myself and how am I going to keep that or am I just going to

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set a goal and miss it you know make a promise and keep it and uh at the same

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time I also I don't promote this much but I do I do help uh aspiring speakers

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performers people that are Executives that are looking to transition out of doing that anymore and Bec someone who

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shares that message and so if people are interested in that I'd love to hear from him and let him know that I do some Zoom

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Retreat type things we do stuff in Utah where people come here and help help with their career aspirations I think

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that that's cool is we started this whole thing talking about Gordy Brown and how a guy like his this famous

44:17

wonderful Entertainer who said hey I want to help this kid has no idea what he's doing and thinks he's as good as me

44:24

already and then you know now now are peers yeah and that's what's important

44:29

is to realize that as you reach out to somebody who's maybe where you're at where you're wanting to go and if

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they're cool enough to reach back and help you and bring you along my goodness right why would you not reach out yeah

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and so don't let that stop you don't ever let them possibly turning you down or not responding don't let that stop

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you because if you know this is what you're supposed to do if you have it as a calling if it's your promise you must

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go for it or you're breaking a promise to to the world so it's been great to be with you brother I'm proud of you and I

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I'm look forward to all that you're going to do from here on out even though youve done a lot of great things already

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awesome man thank you so much dude appreciate your time today you have a wonderful evening man thank you you too

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thanks [Music]

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