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Julie Lively taking the edge off without alcohol
What happens when the wine you use to take the edge off becomes the very thing keeping you on edge? Julie Lively, alcohol freedom coach and This Naked Mind coach, shares her powerful journey from being caught in mummy wine culture to discovering true freedom beyond the bottle.
With four children in six years and a frequently-traveling husband, Julie's nightly wine ritual seemed like the perfect escape—until it wasn't. Without experiencing a dramatic "rock bottom" moment, Julie recognised something more subtle but equally powerful: the drinking she used to alleviate isolation was actually deepening it. After two years on what she calls the "drinking-no-drinking rollercoaster," she finally found her lasting day one.
This conversation goes beyond the typical sobriety narrative to explore what truly happens in our bodies and brains when we use alcohol as our primary relaxation tool. Julie shares practical, science-backed techniques for regulating your nervous system without alcohol, from the powerful 4-7-8 breathing method taught to Navy SEALs to simple sensory grounding practices that take just minutes.
Whether you're questioning your relationship with alcohol or simply curious about more effective relaxation techniques, this conversation offers practical tools for creating a life where you don't need to take the edge off—because you're no longer living on edge.
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Hi guys and welcome to Not Drinking Today podcast. Today I have Julie Lively with me. Julie's an alcohol freedom coach and a fellow this Naked Mind coach. It's so cool to have you here, julie, welcome. Thanks so much for having me here today, pleasure. Would you be able to start by telling everyone about how you got to where you are now?
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely, I think, like a lot of women who find themselves drinking a little bit more than they would like. You know, I started out, you know, in college just kind of normal, you know party or drinker, and then just kind of got really sucked into in that whole mommy wine culture. I have four kids in six years and my husband was always traveling and so I was always on my own and I could not wait till the end of the day where I could relax with that glass of wine. And one turned into two and um, and sometimes three, and uh, it just, it just kind of became just part of my life and it it would just, it also just seemed really normal because that's what we moms did, right, everything is revolving wine. It's five o'clock and I'm cooking dinner and I crack open that bottle of wine and I pour that glass and I send a picture of it to my friend. I'm like cheers, hey, do you, do you have your glass of wine? And again, it just seemed really really normal.
Speaker 2:And, um, you know, then then kind of fast forward, my husband and I we split up about 10 years ago and so, uh, you know, I was in a situation where, you know, I often was with my kids alone a lot anyway, and then with the separation of us I didn't have that. You know, daddy walked in the door the kids are yours, I can relax. Then I really really was like, wow, I need something to really help me relax and unwind at the end of the day. And you know, we didn't have kind of that traditional schedule the Wednesday, every other weekend kind of thing, because he did travel so much. So my times that were my own were kind of last minute like oh, by the way, I'm here, I can take the kids, and I would find myself going, oh gosh, thank goodness, and I would get my bottle of wine and I would drink it and I'd be like, you know, the next day I'd wake up and I didn't sleep well and I over drank and I'm like what, what am I doing? This really isn't working.
Speaker 2:But that cycle just kind of continued. And I think you know, for me I never had any rock bottom moments, but I had these rock bottom feelings there were. There were two in particular that I could really think of. That that changed the trajectory of like this is not sustainable. One was it was kind of towards the end of the pandemic.
Speaker 2:As I mentioned, I've got. I have four kids and six years and my youngest daughter has Down syndrome and so my three older kids. They were, you know, kind of out and about and starting to get back into society and doing things and working and seeing their friends. And my youngest daughter and I we were home alone again and very isolated and it was one of those things where it's like, well, I guess it doesn't really matter if I have another glass of wine, Like we've got nothing going on tomorrow anyway. It doesn't really matter how I feel. And I just kept on looking at myself like this is your life, like is this really how you want to spend your life? Thinking I don't have anything going on tomorrow, anyway, I might as well have some more wine. It doesn't matter how I feel.
Speaker 2:And you know, as my nest started to empty more and I didn't have those built-in cushions where I had to drive my kids and pick them up at nine o'clock at night and do all these different things Again, all those built-in bumpers that we have, that so many of us women have around our drinking, started going away. And you know, again sitting on that couch again like having another glass of wine, thinking as my nest is emptying like this is my life, is this really how I'm going to spend my life? And what I noticed for me was the isolation that I was feeling by. You know, my nest is emptying a little bit, but I have my one, my special needs daughter, home with me and so I'm just going to drink through it. The drinking was causing. The drinking that I was doing to help alleviate the feeling of isolation was driving the feeling of isolation, and so I was just kind of stuck in this cycle and I just realized, like this is this, this is not sustainable, this is not who I am, this is not who I want to be, and it was time for for a real, real change. And so, you know, for two years I was kind of on the drinking no drinking roller coaster.
Speaker 2:I did a bunch of, you know dry Januaries and you know free, freebie, 30 day alcohol experiments, and I did programs with Laura McC, programs with Laura McCowan and Rachel Hart and Annie Grace and all the, all those different things. Read all the quit lick, listen to the podcast and you know, after nearly two years of that, I'm like, okay, this is it, I'm done. And so signed up for another, the Snaked Mind program, and I decided at that time that my last and final day one was November 28th, and it was the Saturday or I'm sorry, it was a Sunday after the Saturday, after the Thursday of Thanksgiving, and I purposely picked it. Then that whole week of Thanksgiving, I'm like this is it, this is it. This is my last wine. And I was a Chardonnay drinker. This is it, this is my last wine. And I was a Chardonnay drinker.
Speaker 2:And it was interesting because the more I was, you know, kind of trying to wean off of this, the more I was realizing. And when you read all the quitlet and understand, like, do I really even like the taste of this? And I'm like, yeah, I don't like this one. And so I buy another bottle, yeah, I don't really like this one. And so I found myself really drinking a lot that last week to get it all in. And so, by you know. So Thanksgiving came and went. I went out for dinner with some friends on a Saturday night, shared my last bottle of wine, and then Sunday I was off to the races, and so that was, you know, three years and almost three months ago, to the date of the recording of this podcast. And yeah, there was, there was just no looking back Congratulations.
Speaker 1:And yeah, there was just no looking back Congratulations, and I relate to everything you just said. You know the kids, the relaxing, having a drink after that day like a reward and just to numb out. You know it's exhausting having the kids and it's so common, it's that mummy wine culture. And you know when you said after you'd split up with your husband and he'd have the kids, it was like a yes. When my kids weren't here, like mine, didn't go to my exes, but if they stayed at grandma's or something, to me that was like celebrate, no one can watch me. I can do what I want, but just like you, celebrate, no one can watch me. I can do what I want, but just like you, that isolation just grew.
Speaker 1:You know, the drinking to escape the loneliness actually brought it on, which happens to a lot of us. But I did have that mentality as well of in COVID. But also, if I didn't have the kids, it doesn't matter. If I feel like crap tomorrow, just doesn't matter. I mean, I had that as well and it's just thinking back. I just think, oh, I think that was a big thing for me as well, to realize that this is not what I want from my life.
Speaker 2:Exactly. And it was interesting because for those two years, whenever I do these dry challenges and have some success, and I always felt so much better when I didn't drink, but I always went back to it. And so, like so many people, I did all the rules, like, okay, I'm not going to drink on the week, I'm only going to drink on weekends, which actually worked really, really, really well until 4th of July was on a Monday and I had a firm rule like I don't drink during the week. So then I'm like, okay, so 4th of July is on a Monday, so maybe if I drink Sunday and Monday instead of Friday and Saturday, but there's something going on Friday, so now what do I do? And so again, those rules started messing with me. And then I went away to a wedding and it was a, it was a four day party during the week and I totally broke it. And then I just, I, just I came back and I just continued on drinking, like rules work really, really, really, really well until they don't.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, yeah, I totally hear you. I had the same rules and then exactly, and once you did it, in my mind it was like, oh well, free for all you know. So yeah, and I think that's the thing about moderating or or keeping it, you know, to a certain day is you just think so much about it? It's so the thinking about drinking is more painful than anything, you know.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that was one of those things I didn't realize until I was on the other side of alcohol, how much my life was consumed about. Am I drinking tonight or not drinking tonight? If I am, how much am I drinking? You know, then, that I don't know. If you did that like I would drink at night and then the next morning I would open the fridge and I would see the bottle of wine and there'd be a little bit left, and if I felt kind of funny and I looked at him like oh, why did I have that last bit of wine? And then you pour it out Today's the day, and then at five o'clock I'm back buying another bottle of wine and again, like you know, we're just like normal people.
Speaker 2:No DWI, no, you know, not, not that, not that that. Only normal people don't have DWIs. But you know you know what I mean. Like like there was no rock bottom. No, um, you know, brush with the law, no brush with, like you know, julie, you're going to lose your family, your kids are really like none of that. It was just like this normal um, you know, I was in a relationship with somebody, um, kind of by the run of the time that I was looking at changing my relationship with alcohol and he said you know what? You don't drink a lot, but you drink a lot Meaning. I drink every single day two to three glasses of wine. And if I'm cooking dinner and he'd be like, well, there's a lot, a lot of wine gone, I'm like, oh yeah, I had that dish really, really quick, required a lot, of a lot, a lot of wine to make. It was actually I was the one that required a lot of wine to make that dish.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, I'd have the excuse oh I need wine for cooking, and I'd put a dash in and then, well, the bottle's for me. Yeah, totally Well, I drank a lot, a lot, but towards the end, but I still. I didn't have that rock bottom, but I feared it. I feared getting caught. My biggest fear actually was that I'd be driving the kids to school in the morning. I didn't drink in the morning, but I'd be over the limit from the night before and my biggest fear was that I'd be caught and it would be public.
Speaker 1:And then I was thinking about the other day. Actually, you know, that was a big reason I stopped. And then I thought I just stopped trusting what was going to happen. I couldn't trust it wasn't even so much myself. I couldn't trust. It wasn't even so much myself. I couldn't trust the alcohol, I couldn't trust. And so I had to, I had to stop. That was enough for me. I didn't have to hit that rock bottom. And I think it's important, especially for the mummy wine culture, is to know that you don't have to be an alcoholic, you don't have to hit rock bottom it. But it also grows with the tolerance grows. So it's something that a lot of people might think, oh, I don't drink that. You know I have a couple of drinks a night. But if that doesn't feel right to you, that's when you have a look at it, because you would have had the same as me, that niggling voice.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just that voice in the back of my mind like, yeah, there's something, this is not, even though it's normal. This isn't feeling normal anymore. And it's interesting because I work with so many of my clients are, you know, in that similar space where you know they're just drinking wine every night, like two to three glasses of wine, and nobody would ever think that they are having a problem or struggling. But they just can't stop. They might do a dry January, they might take a week off here or there, they might really intentionally do that, but they keep on going back and it's that whole thing.
Speaker 2:It's like what is wrong with me? And I'm not, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna go to, you know, these AA meetings and declare that I'm an alcoholic, like I'm, it's in, it is. It can be a really, really tricky place. And so I love working with these women who was like, okay, no, there's, there's nothing wrong with you, you are not an alcoholic, you are just you, you are. You know, we have just associated those hardwired associations between relaxation and alcohol and we just drive that pathway deeper and deeper and deeper Every time. We open up that bottle and pour it at the end of the day and go ah, and it's so supported by society.
Speaker 1:And one of the things I've spoken about before was because I work with children with autism and it's emotionally stressful, physical, all of that, and so it's a real thing for people to say, oh, I need a drink, I'll go home and have a drink, and that's absolutely fine. But for someone like me, that was a green light. Oh, everyone's doing it, I'll do it. I'm the one that would come in hungover each day, though, you know, but it it's. It might for some people it might be something. They just say they might not even go home and have that wine, but for me it was like, well, there you go, it's normal, I'm going to do it because I work in a hard job, you know, and it's very supported by society. I saw on Facebook we have visuals for our kids and it might say desk work first and then choice. It was one for adults Work first, then wine, and I just I look at them now and I just go, ooh, that was an enabler to me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know you. Just you just think about how the alcohol industry just has marketed the hack out of mommy wine culture drinking yeah, holly Whitaker talks about it a lot in her book Quit Like a Woman. If you recall that, love how they took what they did with the tobacco industry and getting women to smoke. They took that same methodology to get women to drink. And when I read that I'm like you get angry. Like we're just a bunch of pawns. Yeah, and now we're pouring this toxic, addictive substance into our body. Yeah, yeah, and now we're stuck with it.
Speaker 2:And now what's wrong with me? How do I, how do we get rid of it? Like I've been using alcohol to relax for so long. I've been using it as my relaxer, my connector, my soother, my all these things. You know, I remember, and you might remember this like you. You, you get home again.
Speaker 2:I'm four kids. I've been at a school. You know a school function and it's crazy, it's chaotic, like my kids are all over, I get everybody in and I walk and I remember I'd walk in the door and it's like seven o'clock at night and I cannot get that wine down myself fast enough. Oh, yeah, because I know that that is going to take the edge off. Now, not every night was obviously like that. Sometimes it's just like that slow drip, just taking the edge off, just taking the edge off, just taking the edge off. And then, even on those nights when I don't need to take the edge off because my body is just habitually used to that, because there's wine left over in the bottle from yesterday, I'm pouring it to take the edge off, whether I needed it or not.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly. So what can I ask? What do you do now for relaxation? Because this is a big thing. You know my clients, our listeners worry about you know I need it to switch off, I need it to relax.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a great question, that is such a great question. So so part of it is for for me and for a lot of people. You know, we, we want that transition, drink that five o'clock something, but really starts with that. So what am I going to drink instead? And understanding that, that, that association that we have with alcohol, some of it is just that whole setting, like we see, let me back up a little bit so that that hardwired kind of animal part of our brain, it doesn't understand language, it only understands sensations. So our body is feeling, you know, we're feeling anxiety, we're feeling overwhelmed, we're feeling all of're feeling overwhelmed. We're feeling all of that stuff and it's sending signals to our brain and our brain goes oh, I know the answer, it's alcohol and it's all hardwired. So our logical thinking brain might have said I'm not drinking today. But your, your hardwired, automated part of our brain, says, oh, you're, I'm feeling these sensations and this answer, this is the answer and and at all costs, we are going to go with that answer.
Speaker 2:But the reality is part of that relaxation is, visually, your body's seeing. You're opening the cupboard door, you're pulling up that glass of wine and your brain is already going oh, here we go. Here's relaxation. Then you pour the bottle in and then you drink that wine, you drink the alcohol and then alcohol does have that numbing effect. Your body's going, ah. So you know, one of the first things that I always talk about with my clients is like, okay, what are we going to put in our glass instead? Because we still want a transition drink, we still want our body visually, we want to see that glass, we want to pour something, we want to taste something. It just doesn't need to have alcohol in it.
Speaker 2:So that's part of it and the other part of, in terms of relaxation, there's so many like amazing, beautiful adaptogenic herbs, you know ashwagandha, althene, lemon balm. You know, in the evening I used to always have a glass of wine and I'll have a nice cup of tea. And again, because it is sending messages to my brain when I'm holding that cup, the cup is warm, I smell the tea, the tea smells good, I taste the tea and it has just some nice adaptogenic herbs, you know. And then the other thing is just like taking a look at what is my life like during the day and how can I put some things in place to relax my nervous system that doesn't include wine. So so I don't get to that pushing that, that, that tipping point that says F, it, I don't really care, I know the answer. And so a lot of that is just really starting our day with a grounding, orienting, centering. Like there's so many beautiful apps, like right now I'm using the app called calm. Yeah, and every day there's the daily J and the daily calm and um. So just starting out our nervous system in a relaxed way and then for me, understanding um, okay, as my nervous system is getting over activated. Okay, what do I need to do? I need to bring it back in um through through breath work, through just getting outside and throwing a ball with my dog, just moving into a different room, just changing the state that we are in, because the reality is we're using alcohol to change our state and we can use our senses to change our state.
Speaker 2:We can use our breath. Our breath is one of the most powerful tools that we have and you might be familiar with the four, seven, eight breath, where you breathe in for four counts, you hold for seven, you exhale for eight. That was developed by Dr Andrew Weil and he teaches this to the Navy SEALs to remain calm, focused and clear headed in the heat of a mission. So when you think about it, you know, think about like we get really over activated. Our nervous system is on like high alert and we have trained at that. Alcohol brings it back down. We can use that. We can use that 478 breath for two or three minutes that takes us from high alert to calming ourselves down and think about it.
Speaker 2:If you know you've got you've got these Navy SEALs. They are on a mission and they could be thinking and spiraling about everything that could go wrong and be nervous and anxious. And you know their breathing is all over the map, their head is all over the map, right, but through our breath that really opens up that right side of our brain, our wise part of our brain. It settles down our nervous system so that they can stay in laser focus action. And that's the same type of thing that we can do to stay in laser focus action where our right brain, our wise brain, that prefrontal cortex that says I'm not drinking today, that prefrontal cortex that said we poured the bottle of wine out this morning and we are not getting more, stays online. Because what happens when we do get over activated. When we do get completely overwhelmed, our prefrontal cortex, our logical thinking brain, goes offline because it's not required. Our body is in like this, fight flight mode and the only thing our body needs to do is, you know, sending stress hormones to either run, fight or collapse. And there may not be the proverbial saber-toothed tiger in our midst, but our body is feeling like it is. So breathwork is one of the most powerful things we can do.
Speaker 2:So I guess, getting back to your question of you, know what are some of the key things. First of all, it's just starting out. My day, calm, grounded In my evening routine is my wine down, tea having, and I don't do it anymore. But when I first started, you know, every day, at you know five o'clock or whatever time, that I was cooking dinner or would have normally reached for a glass of wine, I grabbed that same wine glass, I poured club soda, cranberry, some limes and um, and that was my treat. Right, because I still deserved a treat, I still deserved a transition, right and um. And then just making sure, like I'm getting out in nature, I'm moving all those ing anything but anything, ing any of the ing activities except for drink ing yeah is so good for your nervous system, so it again.
Speaker 2:It's all about the nervous system.
Speaker 1:Yes, I love all that and I do all of it.
Speaker 2:And the breathing is something I've really incorporated into my life, exactly Because we need to. You know, when we are stressing and overwhelming and all that stuff is happening, we are out of our body. Right, we are out of our body, we are spiraling on the past, we are stressing about the future and we are nowhere near anything. That's going on today. And by taking that breath and noticing that breath, noticing how it feels, calms our heart rate, we can get back into our body. And so my favorite thing to do when I am in overwhelm, when I am in a stress response is like okay, take a deep breath. Okay, what would a wise adult do here? I got a shift out of my left side of my brain that is just spiraling. Take a breath. And then I asked myself what would a wise adult do here? And I think about that Okay, what's a wise adult do here? All right, take another breath, settle in, get into the present, settle, settle in. What would a wise adult do here?
Speaker 1:okay, now go, be that wise adult yeah, love it, I love that and it does. It gives you that presence to tune into that, you know. So, yeah, so effective. I love that. I love the tea, I love the calm app and and exercise like I'm really into my pilates now, when I was was drinking, this would all make me go. Oh, I can think of nothing worse, but honestly, I can think of nothing better. Now, and you and I are here to say that's what happens, this becomes it's my dopamine, it's my. It excites me, you know. So there is a great, great life after alcohol, because I just know for people listening when I was drinking, I would just cringe at everything, but it's so good on this side.
Speaker 2:Oh, completely. And the reality is like early on, when I wasn't drinking, when people were saying, oh you know, just spend a couple minutes and breathe, I'm like there's nothing, that two minutes of breathing is going to do for me, because I'm like a go big or go home type person. Two minutes is going to do nothing. And it took me a while to understand, like, okay, it actually is very, very powerful. Just a couple of minutes, just a couple of minutes. And now I've got in my office, I've got a little chase lounge and I've got a weighted blanket and if I get really over activated, I'll sit there, I'll put my weighted blanket on, I'll just listen to just you know a little five minute thing on the call map. Or just breathe, maybe make yourself a cup of tea.
Speaker 2:Just, I got to get back into my body.
Speaker 2:I got to get out of that spirally thought pattern that is really amping me up.
Speaker 2:Get into my body, get into my body, cause you know our where we have the opportunity to take that next best right step, to take the best action is in the present, in our body, and most of the time when we are spiraling and spinning, we are in the past or we are in the future and we are nowhere near today.
Speaker 2:So by using those body experiences of breathing, you know there's I'm familiar with havening. Havening is that, that whole touch, like when we start, we start on our forehead and go through our cheeks and cross over our collarbone and, you know, like giving ourselves a hug. You know, for most people the sense of touch is really, really calming to our nervous system and to that that havening practice is such a beautiful way again, just within a couple minutes, to calm us down. Because, again, remember, we use alcohol to take the edge off, just to take the edge off. So if we can use a little bit of touch to take the edge off, a nice little bit of tea to take the edge off, a little bit of breathing, just to take the edge off, enough to go, ah, okay now I can face the rest of the day.
Speaker 1:Oh, totally, I love that. Before I stopped drinking I was really into well, I wasn't into it, but I kept telling myself I have to be able to meditate Like I did meditation courses. I hate meditating for an hour or whatever. These things are meditation. Everything you're saying is a form of meditation. It doesn't have to take long, and that's been the best thing for me, because it is. You know, that's exactly what we're doing. We're calming our mind and then our vagus nerve calms and it's literally changed my life. So I just love everything that you're saying. It's so valuable and it works, it works, it does work. Give it time as well. Give it time Because, as I said, as you said, the deep breath, it's like oh, come on, that's not going to work, it's not enough. But when it becomes a practice, right, yeah.
Speaker 2:And you use, it's like, oh, come on, that's not, that's not going to work, it's not enough. But when it becomes a practice, right yeah, and you use it just like, just just enough to take the edge off Again. Think about I'm using alcohol to take the edge off. What do I need? I just need to take the edge off just a second so that I can take it. Take a breath, okay, what, what, what's what's important now? There's this acronym win. What's important now? There's this acronym WIN. What's important now, what's really important now? What's the next best? Right, step, right.
Speaker 2:And I totally get you with that whole thing of meditation, because everybody's like, oh, you got to meditate, you got to meditate, and like, after me, sitting here for 20 minutes to think of nothing is never going to happen and I'm not even going to try. But when we do these like short little things, again, it's just just to take the edge off, just to center us, just ground us a little bit. Meditation is not. For some people it is, but for me it is not sitting there for 20 minutes not thinking about anything.
Speaker 2:Mindfulness, for me it's taking a breath, it's listening to the sounds. What am I hearing? It's feeling my fingertips. It's wiggling my toes. What do I smell? What do I taste? Visually, you know, looking outside.
Speaker 2:Okay, let me find three instances of a color blue in my room. We got to use our body, our senses, to tell our body that we are safe. And when I can look around in my room and say there's three different colors of blue, I can touch my desk, I can touch my chair and your body's like okay, you're okay, I know where you are in space. We're out of that spirally loop. I'm in my body and it sounds really kind of woo-woo or whatever, but it but it's and I thought it was, but it's actually it's. It's not, it works Like it really, really works. So anybody listening to here who is like ready to shut this off, saying this, this has gone a completely different direction. I really encourage you. Um, you know these apps. You know um, calm headspace, happier, all of these. I think they most have like a like a seven day trial. Download it, listen to three minutes, just notice what you know, um, cause it does make a difference.
Speaker 1:Oh, absolutely, it does. So, julie, where can people find you and what do you offer?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I have a private one-on-one coaching practice. You can find all the information about that at julielivelycoachingcom, and lively is just like it's spelled sounds L-I-V-E-L-Y, julielivelycoachingcom. I also have recently launched a group coaching program for anybody that might be coming out of this Naked Minds Path program. You, if if that is you, you'll know what I'm talking about. If it's not you, that's OK, but it is an alternative for Path Year Two and some, but it's a really great program for people to find a place to land. It's a great community. We do a lot of really cool content and a lot of great work and and yeah, that's it. Oh, and one other thing, I do have a special download for anybody, if you're interested.
Speaker 2:It's how the heck do I relax without wine, and it's some specific tips, tricks and techniques on how to do that, some of the things that I've talked about today, and it will go a little bit deeper for you, because the reality is, if we are removing something that has helped us relax, we have to replace it with things that really do help us relax. Otherwise, we are just like in this netherland, going, oh my gosh, what just happened? And then you and you will be much more predisposition to go back to drinking. So we've got to look at ways to replace what that drink was doing for you. So if you're interested, it'll be in the show notes. How the heck do I relax without wine?
Speaker 1:Click on that and we'll send that to you. That's so cool. Thanks so much, Julie. It's been really lovely having you on and having a great chat with you. Thank you Likewise. Thanks so much too.
Speaker 2:We'll talk to you soon. Bye.
