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#091- "The Cost of Incompetence" with Joey Sepulveda
Join retired police sergeant Joey Sepulveda, TMPA Central Texas Field Representative, as he shares insights and reflects on leadership challenges in Balcones Heights and beyond. Explore the impact of poor governance, clashes under the new mayor, and the chaos of city council meetings. Joey discusses toxic workplaces, the importance of informed voting, and how strong leadership fosters community health, morale, and retention. Tune in for a compelling mix of insight, community dialogue, and engaging moments.
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The mayor now. He has history. He has history. He has history in other cities that he's worked for and they all say the same thing. This is the same pattern and same thing that he's done in other departments.
Speaker 2:There are some questionable things that were done in Floresville. He was the EDC in Floresville. He resigned from said position and then suddenly became the mayor. Welcome back watchers, viewers, listeners, listeners, I'm your host. Tyler owen and clinton mcnear how was the old drive from forney?
Speaker 3:to austin wasn't bad, usually about two hours 55 minutes is about 3 10 this morning ain't bad at all, too bad how's everything going with you? All good in the hood. All good in the hood. We have hr 82 social security fairness act. Hr stands for house house resolution 82, uh passed out of the house. It's in the senate, so anybody watching listening. Please contact your senator. We have a lot of people that aren't in texas. Please figure out who your senator is senators are and ask them to pass HR 82 out of the.
Speaker 2:Senate Dive into just a surface of what that bill talks about and discusses and what the bill, the spirit behind it?
Speaker 3:Yeah, so it's kind of the windfall elimination Police, fire, teachers that pay into Social Security. You don't get all of your Social Security when you retire because you had a pension. Everyone else gets their full Social Security upon retirement. Police fire and teachers do not. I think there's some others included in that, but police fire and teachers do not. And this would um stop the steel Um it w. It would allow us to get the full social security that we are owed, deserved, um that. It's been way overdue for decades, passed out of the house with a huge amount, like 300 co-sponsors, and it passed like 327 to 70 or something. Um, it's now in the Senate. We're hearing a lot of senators are not for it and we need to flip that. They need to support the police and a lot of them want to politic that they love the police and back the blue. And now it's time to put your money where your mouth is. Well, they damn sure want endorsements that's for damn sure.
Speaker 2:Pass hr 82. Well, you know what's interesting, I don't. When you were at Garland did you pay? Uh, when I was at Marshall, I didn't pay social security, and so one of the things, one of the benefits when I left was well, I was one of the you know, the Harrison County, I was able to pay they they got fired from as a kid and working here now. And yeah, there's a lot of people get it one way or another, which all didn't.
Speaker 3:Jobs, not at going, no, um. But it like talking to my dad the other day and retired and their money's tight and he said, yeah, it affects me every, it affects me every month yeah, hell, if we got people that are, uh, that didn't work.
Speaker 2:I never understood that, speaking of, we're coming up to the income tax season, I never understood how people who don't work get excited about an income tax refund. If you didn't pay into taxes, how the hell are you getting an income tax refund? Yeah, anyway, we're not going to solve the world's problems here on Blue Grit, but we do got a special guest on today. He's going to cuss and discuss. Field representative for the San Antonio area area. Joey, set up over there. Welcome back, man, thanks. Thanks for looking good, appreciate that. How's, uh, how's everything going with you?
Speaker 1:everything's going good. I have my uh trobs and tribulations in my region you know, I think, uh, every field rep has those in their regions it's like a, it's like the plague.
Speaker 2:I think that we, it it start, you know, like late in a couple, a couple months ago, had texas city and still battling that, and then it just kind of certain, you know, fair fires and flares ups and uh, it's our job to put them out. You know, headed to texas city in about texas city in a couple hours, uh, clint's gonna go have dinner with the mayor down there and the police chief, so uh, we don't know how his employment is going to work out after that. But we're going to wait and see. But yeah, for those who don't know, joyce Sepulveda is the San Antonio field rep, retired Bacona Heights police sergeant. Oh, did you hear how he said that? Hey, I'm getting central Texas eyes, baby. Joe Tovar, I said something the other day and I was in front of certain people at New Braunfels Golf Tournament, new Braunfels Golf Tournament, and so, anyway, he stopped me.
Speaker 1:Wait, wait, wait. How did you say it before? Before?
Speaker 2:you got corrected New Brownsville. New. Braunfels.
Speaker 5:Braunfels, I think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then I can't even remember how the hell I screwed up at Ascosa. It was jacked up, jacked up and that's your area At Ascosa. But yeah, for those that don't know, you, joey, was a retired Bacona Sites police sergeant and was on the board and then just certain things in life happened and we are now blessed to have you as a field rep and you wanted to come on and discuss some bad tyrant leadership type situations at Bacona Sites with the mayor there and then you're doing a regional POA leadership and, man, it's always good to you know for you guys to come on and get you guys highlighted.
Speaker 1:So welcome back, appreciate it, appreciate it. I think these, these opportunities that we have as field reps is is good. Yeah, let people know exactly what we do and what what we're doing out there in our regions and how we're helping our members.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure, for sure.
Speaker 3:And the world to get to see the prettiest filter up. We got, yes.
Speaker 2:I don't know about all that, but okay, oh gosh, I ain't no rip, but okay, oh I see what you did there. Go ahead All right?
Speaker 3:Well, I was going to say he's married to Beth.
Speaker 2:Yes, I am, that is true.
Speaker 3:Well.
Speaker 2:I think it's good to lay the foundation. You, being a prior Bicona Sites president, you walking what those guys are going through. Lay the foundation of kind of speaking about Bicona Sites and talking about the relationship that the POA had with the mayor, and then we'll kind of dive into what this new mayor is doing and the leadership style he's got right now and why that's important to our members.
Speaker 1:Well, it's very important because when we had, when I was president of the association there in Balcony Heights, I was there for several years.
Speaker 3:Scoot in a little bit. They can only see half the man you are.
Speaker 2:Okay, and move that mic up next to your chin. I like to tickle your beard. There you go, okay now we can hear you and we can see you all right, um.
Speaker 1:So, like I said, you know, being a president for several years there in balcony Heights, um, uh, 18 years, that was my tenure there and, um, we had a good rapport. We, we were uh, well-known uh through the community. So anytime we had any type of functions or we started something, I mean the community themselves would reach out to us. We didn't really have to go out and reached out, the community they were. You know, one of our biggest events was Blue Santa, Yep.
Speaker 1:So you know, we would do a parade and you know little stuff we started when we started that program. Just a little history we started that program we gave out toys to our residents, to our youth, from the trunks of police cars. When we left, we have, we had over 300 and some odd kids that we were giving toys to, yeah, and it spread outside of our community. So that's how, that's how well known our association, you know, was known out in the community, that it reached out outside. So our communication was very, you know, very good with our leaders, speaking with the mayor, the city council, city managers.
Speaker 1:Now you know, every once in a while, of course, you know we're not all going to always see eye to eye, but we had that open rapport where we can sit down and talk and discuss and come to maybe a mutual agreement or uh, or hey, let's, let's, let's find a, a midpoint. Um, the other thing is we always had a good rapport with the chief and, uh, and even to this day, uh, the association has a good rapport with the chief, where, if they have a, if they have an issue or a problem or they don't see, like, hey, you know what can, is there a way, um, that we can work things out? They sit down and they discuss it. So, as of may of this past year, uh, they had an elections. Um, the city was, has been going through some ups and downs, you know, economically wise and um, so they had an election and this, uh, new mayor got elected, uh, johnny rodriguez johnny rodriguez yeah that sounds like an outlaw name, yeah great singer.
Speaker 2:He had some great songs back yeah, it sounds like some tombstone shit yeah, what is the red? Scarf crew whatever.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was the cowboys Ringo, the old Ringo, we ought to nickname him that. Yeah, so as soon as he came into office it was leading by an iron fist. You know, just in a few months that he's been in office there has been letters of no confidence on him. Employees have come on open forums and discussed how go ahead and when you say employees, we're not just talking about police department.
Speaker 2:Oh no, In fact, we're going to show you a clip real quick of a municipal court clerk that just recently spoke before the city council. She didn't give a vote on confidence, but she certainly gave you at least the climate and the temperature of what it feels like to work inside the inside city hall upon his entry. So we're going to we're going to show you that clip real quick and then we're going to fade back in.
Speaker 4:We have one person that has signed up Michelle Marine. Employee statement.
Speaker 5:I am probably a little bit nervous. You probably hear my heart beating. Good evening council administration, citizens, employees and guests. I'm standing here tonight because it is my responsibility to bring to light a profoundly serious situation we, as the employees of Balcones Heights, have been experiencing. I started working here almost two and a half years ago and in all that time I have never felt an ounce of unwelcome-ness. You could ask 90% of the employees and they will testify that there is almost always a greeting between us. Almost everyone that walks in the door of the Justice Center whether it be employees, council members, ex-council members or customers looking for a department within the building there is always a friendly greeting. The court employees are the first faces seen when walking through the doors, so we try to make it friendly. Do we drop the ball sometimes? Yes, we do. We get distracted. We may not look up if we're working on something or we miss the mark, but we try. When I first started, I was new and nervous and didn't know anyone, but my uneasiness faded very quickly. I started meeting council members and employees and immediately we were exchanging greetings through the window.
Speaker 5:Within days of being elected as mayor, mr Rodriguez entered the building and introduced himself to us, as we did the same. It wasn't unpleasant, genuine, I could not say that interaction with Mr Rodriguez was short-lived. However, for us and by us I mean the employees that work on the first floor we all discussed and agreed that the feeling of uncomfortableness with Mr Rodriguez started right after the first couple of council meetings. I can speculate why this is, but I'm sure it'd only be answered with a denial. Yvonne, mika Rose and I were approached in or around August by Mr Perales, the previous city administrator that Mayor Rodriguez had told him to tell the court employees that we need to greet him when he, mr Rodriguez, walks into the building. Mr Perales said that we were to say hello, hi, wave or anything that acknowledges him. We explained to Mr Perales that we felt as if we had been acknowledging him all along, but apparently Mr Rodriguez did not feel it was to his standards. We agreed to comply with Mr Perales' request nonetheless. Whether this comply with Mr Perales' request, nonetheless, whether this conversation between Mr Perales and Mr Rodriguez occurred, I don't know. On several occasions following that conversation, we have acknowledged Mr Rodriguez. He never reciprocates. We have all experienced this personally After the incident that occurred in the court office on September 11, 2024, several letters of grievance were written regarding it.
Speaker 5:I'm sure almost everyone knows about the letters because they were published online. As employees, we were voicing concerns, as is our right per the Balcones Heights Personnel Handbook, over an incident that we were forced to bear witness to. I say forced because we were in our office and this incident occurred at our entrance door during court business hours. In my professional opinion, this incident should have taken place in the privacy of an office, outside the presence of other employees and potential customers who could have walked in at any given time. I myself was a business manager for a Catholic church. Albeit, I only had about four employees that I managed. We respected each other. If an issue was with an employee, I made sure to address that problem behind closed doors. I did this out of respect for the employee and the employees that the issue did not concern. I never embarrassed or berated the employees, as that is most unprofessional.
Speaker 5:I speak for myself when I say the letter I wrote was out of concern for the way in which Mr Rodriguez managed that situation. In my professional opinion, it is unbecoming of any person who holds a seat on this council. As elected officials, you are all held to higher standards. You should be the example which we, as employees, look up to. How you act and treat others is the example by which you lay out for us to heed. The letter I wrote was not personal. It was business. I don't know Mr Rodriguez on a personal level. I don't know him outside of these walls and, if I could be so bold, I wouldn't want to associate with a person who acts and treats others the way I have witnessed and personally experienced him do. I wrote the letter as a legitimate concern as an employee, with the expectation that it would be addressed, corrected or explained as maybe a misunderstanding that we could all learn from and move forward. That was it. Unfortunately, I feel that after the release of the grievance letters, mr Rodriguez has exhibited much animosity towards the employees whose names are written in those letters. How do I know, you may ask. This is a small place of business. We are co-workers who support each other and express our concerns to our fellow co-workers when we need a shoulder to lean on.
Speaker 5:Since those letters were published, mr Rodriguez now comes into the Justice Center and when we greet him, his response is usually along the lines of open the door, referring to the door to get into the back offices. There is never a reciprocation of the greeting. The occasional thank you is always in a firm tone which personally doesn't sound genuine to me, more like a formality because someone did something for you. It has come to the point that I personally feel uncomfortable and emasculated by Mr Rodriguez. His face shows such disdain and disgust for us. Every time he comes to our window he looks at me or Mika with such an intimidating, unfriendly facial expression that I honestly no longer feel comfortable to even look him in his eyes. In my personal opinion, it is as if he demanded the greeting only to be in a position to disregard it, as if we are lowly employees who need to acknowledge him, while he is, our superior, does not need to reciprocate or acknowledge our presence. The following example solidified this reasoning in my head.
Speaker 5:On Tuesday November 12, 2024, representatives, I believe, from Bear Met arrived to deliver chairs for dispatch. He greeted them with huge smile on his face, hellos and handshakes all around. I can honestly say that was probably the first time I saw Mr Rodriguez greet someone in this building with a smile and a hello. On the same day he appeared again a few hours later with another businessman waiting for the elevator. He did not look at us. Suddenly he was at my front window. It alarmed me because I had my head down working on some documents. He never said a word, grabbed his business cards, which he had Mr Lata place on our counters, and proceeded to move them to a table between my counter and my co-worker's counter. When I looked up, he never made eye contact with me, but I remember his face, a scowl and a look of what felt to me like anger, maybe even hatred. I just remember feeling so uncomfortable I dared not say a word to him. No other person on this council, new or old, has ever given me that feeling. Every other person has has ever given me that feeling. Every other person has been kind or nice or both. But, most importantly, you've been respectful and I want to thank you for that. It may not seem like much to you, but it means a lot to us.
Speaker 5:Last Thursday, november 14th, an incident occurred that even today has me shaken. It has been reported and filed and, just to be clear for the record, it was an incident that occurred with Mr Rodriguez and myself during working hours. The incident involved the opening of a door to the back offices. The interaction that occurred with Mr Rodriguez left me dumbfounded and shocked me to my core. It took me a second to even realize that I still had a customer in front of me. After I finished assisting my customers, I could feel my eyes watering. I tell you, gentlemen, I do not have high blood pressure, but if you had taken my pressure that day, it would have been dangerously high. I do not. I had to cry on my co-worker's shoulders and they were wonderful in helping me calm me down. Rose kept telling me I have never seen you this way. You always tell us not to let him rob us of our peace. I have hoped for the best since the mayor took office and have tried to lift my co-worker's spirits, but this one really knocked me down.
Speaker 5:It is not for me to know why Mr Rodriguez does not have a badge to enter certain parts of the building without an escort. However, it is also not my or any employee's responsibility to be at his beck and call when he wants access. We all have a job with job duties, which include putting the customer above all other duties. I will graciously open the door for him, as I do for any other employee or customer needing to gain access to the back, but not at the expense of being reprimanded for the nature in which I do so. I open the door the same for everyone, and no one has confronted me or voiced a concern about the way in which I do so.
Speaker 5:I feel this was just another way for Mr Rodriguez to exert power over me and emasculate me. Rodriguez, to exert power over me and emasculate me. The definition of a bully is a person who habitually seeks to harm or intimidate those whom they perceive as vulnerable. The definition of harassment is to create an unpleasant or hostile situation. This is what I am experiencing from Mr Rodriguez. I feel as though I am being bullied and harassed by him.
Speaker 5:Every time he comes to the office, he consistently speaks to us in an unfriendly manner or stares at us to the point that I look down as I do not want to make eye contact. This is starting to cause mental and physical anguish. Every time he walks in the building, mika has admitted to me that she feels the same. Our workplace environment is normally 90% enjoyable. Everyone who seeks assistance in the building appears courteous and respectful to each other, or at least to us in the court, but when Mr Rodriguez walks into the building. Everyone is on edge. Is this his intent? To make us feel inferior, to have us lower our eyes out of fear? Is he trying to exert that feeling? Is he the type of man who wants people to fear him instead of respecting him? Maybe, or maybe not.
Speaker 4:He rules with fear. Nonetheless, excuse me, we've already gone over the three minute rule. I've actually gone a little bit more.
Speaker 5:I can only express Are you done?
Speaker 5:Because I'll allow you to speak a little more if you like, but we're really over the limit, so I can only express my feelings, but if you were to ask the employees next to me, they will tell you they feel the same. What happens in this room during council meetings is not the employee's fault. We have no control over the decisions made by a vote. We were told that writing those letters would not be met with retaliation or retribution. I beg to differ. That is exactly what we are experiencing Retaliation and retribution for voicing a concern.
Speaker 1:So, as you can see from that clip that this is not just affecting the police department, yeah, it's affecting the employment, the whole morale the whole morale of the city. You know, I've just recently been present at two city council meetings where it literally is a joke. Yeah, he tries to demise his own city council. Yeah, demise his own city council. Yeah, you know he. And then he has that because he's that elected official.
Speaker 2:He kicks people out and kicks council members out of the meeting. So Clint hasn't seen some of the videos, but it's very similar and the only reason I know this and I know people think I'm not exactly the smartest man in the room some days I know it's shocking for some, but I didn't know about Robert's Rules of Order until attending the Texas FOP meeting and I didn't want to say to me, raise my hand and say what the hell is Robert Williams. And so I looked it up and so I kind of began learning that, because we didn't do that on the local level, they run theirs by that. And I then found out that not all city councils do it the same way. No, and they run it by Robert's Rules of Order.
Speaker 2:And so during this commission meeting and we'll show a clip of that one of the council members is calling for what is it? The order, his point of order, okay, and he's not being recognized by the mayor, and it creates this, this event, and the mayor gets upset and throws out one of the council members, and so it's probably a quarter of the way through. And so then the remaining agenda items, which one of the agenda items happened to be a vote of no confidence by the poa leadership. We're going to talk about that and highlight those guys and men, women, but it's just really interesting how they don't.
Speaker 3:They don't recognize each other and he was trying to kind of go about the the right way but the mayor didn't like it yeah, and the problem with the problem with city councils traditionally is um, you have some nut within your city that you know does whatever monday through friday, and somehow they get and they become so intoxicated on power. We see it all the time. We see it in Texas City. We see it a lot with sheriffs the guys are absolutely corrupt.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 3:I'm dealing with a sheriff in North Texas right now that's refusing to give ID cards to honorably retired officers. He said he's just not going to follow the law apparently. Northeast, somewhere very close to Forney where Forney resides.
Speaker 3:Oh okay, all right, I thought you meant like maybe deep East Texas, by street. But you have people that are completely incompetent, get a little bit of power, or perceived power, and they become so drunk on that power that they lose their mind. And people think well, they got elected, they must know what they're doing, or they must, you know, have a background in this. Half these people you know they're unemployed or they're. There's no telling what they do before they get in this position of some sort of authority and it's a train wreck and the problem is like you're talking about. It's not just affecting the police, the mayor, the city manager, both kind of the co-leaders of a city which is a corporation. You can script the whole company, the whole, the whole city or the whole county with failed leadership and we see it over and over again and elections have consequences I.
Speaker 2:I think that it's sad because we as a society right now, more than ever, I think are in in need for leadership at the government level, whether that be city, county, state or federal. And then these yahoos some of them get elected and it creates this, just like you said it creates a very bad, toxic environment, and the reality is that it only affects the ones that voted for these morons, for the, for the, for the, the negative cities that this is impacting. Right, not all cities and counties are bad and not all elected officials are bad. So we've certainly got some good friends and there's certainly great leaders out there that have been elected to the correct offices. But on occasion, as we're seeing it back on the sites, you get a let's just call it what it is a yahoo or a moron or an idiot that gets elected, and now they're stuck with it, and now the city's stuck with it, and the city can't move on with different agenda items on city council, and so we're trying to navigate through that. Uh, I have hope, though.
Speaker 3:This election, yes, gave me hope that people are tired of idiots they're tired of social experiments. They're tired of morons trying something crazy and off the wall Is mayor. Is this his first term or has he been there a bit?
Speaker 1:No. So so a little history is it's. It's kind of funny because, um, uh, not funny because of course they're dealing with it right now but, um, he was a mayor before and during his tenure there as a mayor he did the same thing, did the same thing. But I think a lot of people that go out and vote some vote because of the name that's been there in that city for so many years that it's like oh yeah, I know so-and-so, so yay.
Speaker 2:Johnny Ringo.
Speaker 3:But when somebody's horrible and you reelect them, it's like marrying your ex-wife.
Speaker 1:What are we doing? Yeah, exactly. And the thing, the other thing that I was going to mention is a lot of other people is like man, well, you know what I want to change, so you know what? Let's, let's try this guy. And it's like, no, a lot of people need to do their due diligence on finding out what kind of person this guy is and what kind of leader. And I will tell you because, been there, uh, dealt with him is, um, he is not for law enforcement. No, I will tell you that. Okay, uh, he has come across where he wants to fire the chief. He wants to fire all admin.
Speaker 2:He wants to. And let me, let's just clear that up real quick too. If that's what, if that was, if that were the correct thing to do, the right thing to do, we'd be all for it.
Speaker 2:Absolutely no, you're absolutely right I mean you can clearly see that public safety, the fire chief, the police chief, certain the city attorney, they all get along. I chief, certain city attorney, they all get along. I mean it's literally kumbaya, and then the mayor comes in and just train wrecks, everything like a Katy Perry song. She's a wrecking ball, pretty much, pretty much. You like that, you like that, I'll tell you a little lesson on that.
Speaker 1:I was expecting to turn a punch bowl.
Speaker 2:I thought it was more of a Not that I listen to Katy Perry all the time, I mean only when. I'm in the shower, oh God. What?
Speaker 1:Oh well, shit, I tried I thought you were going to say Tay-Tay, but okay, all right.
Speaker 2:Wrecking Ball's not Katy Perry. Oh, miley Cyrus, same thing, same guy.
Speaker 1:Same guy. Well, the other thing too is that, where this also affects the employees and law enforcement, the police department there in Balcony Heights is as it is. You know Balcony Heights is not an easy city to work at. Okay, yeah, it may be small, but I will tell you, you are a cop there, you know you. You are a cop there, you know um. And then for officers not only to have that stress of working you know, shorthanded, you know at a, at a certain, at a certain pay scale, and then for you to be worrying about man, my elected official, my leader in this city doesn't even have my back.
Speaker 2:It's on the southeast side of San Antonio right.
Speaker 1:No, it's actually right in the dead center of it.
Speaker 2:I know for our viewers I call it the butthole of San Antonio because it's right there where I-10 and 4-10 meet and just to kind of give you for the listener or the viewer out there that's watching or listening, is the average income of Bacona sites is probably. The average household is probably $35,000 to $40,000, currently Heavily populated with apartments, right, blue collar, you know top community, but there's a lot of crime, a lot of crime, lots and lots and lots of crime, lots of crime. Just to kind of paint that picture.
Speaker 1:Yes, yes, and, like I said, yes, and, and, and, and, like I said, they have a Tarjay though. They have a big target. Yeah Tarjay, oh Tarjay, it's the proper, nicer version. It's like the Dillard's of the hood.
Speaker 2:It's the Dillard's of the hood.
Speaker 1:Pretty much. So, you know, for for us and I say us because you know I was there to put on that, that badge, to put on that vest every single day work 12 hour shifts and trust me, it's not a 12 hour shift and then you finish and go home. It's probably a good 14 to 16 hour days, okay, um, you go from one high uh call to another high call, you know call to another high call, and then for the leaders that you kind of are looking up to, for them to take care of you, don't? That causes a big, huge problem.
Speaker 2:Well, so the current situation is that the mayor is toxic and you are working with Bicona Science POA to try to get that resolved and try to basically expose some of the problems and things that he's felt on in the past and kind of expose who he is as a person Absolutely. And so that goes back and that's why we wanted to bring you on today to talk about you know what field reps do I mean? We're going from legal calls on Monday or Tuesday to, you know, battling a mayor at a, you know, at a municipality, to the next day battling with a sheriff. That's not giving. So this job is so interesting.
Speaker 2:A lot of people yeah, a lot of members don't really realize what our field reps do, and so we're not going to give our battle plan, but just talk about you know, I was so proud to see the POA leadership speak at the city council meeting and just for the listener out there that you know, if you don't have a relationship with your local field rep, I highly encourage you to get on the website, look at what region you're at, reach out to Clint me, you know, via bluegridtmpaorg and find out who your field rep is.
Speaker 2:But, man, we love to do that kind of stuff. We love to be, you know the in-between of kind of like, are you calling, you know bouncing an idea off of you? But they called and bounced this idea off of you after they'd already written out what they were going to read at the POA or at the city council meeting, and so I was proud to see that, because sometimes we don't see that. Often Usually they'll call hey, we to go ahead and write this out, and they knew what they needed to do head on, and just for you to be there to support them.
Speaker 1:So the guys, I will tell you that the guys kept me, kept me pretty much in the loop in the beginning. I was I actually was very surprised but very honored to know that, hey, man, you know what we're going to do this. Yeah, we're not going to hold back. And I'm like you know what Do, what you got to do? I think it'll send out a message and hopefully, maybe that message can do something and redirect our leaders to a certain path. It's not, it's not going. And uh, back to what you say about field reps. You know I have a lot of associations in my region that the chiefs are are, um, they're, uh, they're very open to associations.
Speaker 2:Well they're, but they're pro they're, they're pro associations in the sense to have open discussions and open door policies.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. I'm going to throw a couple of shout outs out there to the Bernie Chief. You've met him.
Speaker 2:Chief.
Speaker 1:Perez, chief Perez, also Chief Lane from Converse. I mean he gets involved with this association.
Speaker 3:But that's also a really good indicator. Probably and I don't know either one of those gentlemen but it's also a good indicator of somebody that's probably a good leader or they're comfortable. Well, that was a tough word to get out this morning. It's okay, you haven't had your coffee there, they're comfortable and confident enough because we'll see somebody come in as a chief and I've seen seen in a few places lately where you don't need an association, you're not going to have an association here.
Speaker 3:Well, somebody's that afraid of an association. You better hang on to your britches because there's a screwing coming. Yep, uh, they're afraid of something. They're up to something. Um, just like we see in galveston but they're tipping their hat to what their mo is. If they're that afraid of an association, you've got problems.
Speaker 2:I was trying to look it up without getting caught on camera. It was on my phone. Chief in Galveston is oh shit, I can't think of it right now. But, he is prior police leadership, poa leadership. So is Perez. In our profession, in our experience, you see, the ones that really know how to lead the men and lead the women typically have association leadership experience.
Speaker 3:Galveston Chief's a great example.
Speaker 2:Great yep.
Speaker 1:So going back to Balcony Heights, the current chief Chief Jahanara he was also on the board.
Speaker 2:Common spelling.
Speaker 1:Common spelling Sort of kind of yes, but he was also on the board so he knows you know the intentions and a lot of people, I guess, have the misconception of the association being us against them or them against us and it has nothing to do with that and making the work environment better for the officers to want to continue to work and be proud for where they work at. You know we talk about in the whole state of Texas, about, you know, recruitment and retention. Well, that's, part of retention is when you have good leaders and they have an open door policy where, hey, you know what the association wants to speak and the thing about it is you have one representative, which is your president or your board, that is speaking for everybody else. It's not just one guy coming and bitching for the most part.
Speaker 3:And people generally don't leave bad jobs. They leave bad culture or bad leaders bad leaders leaders we look at sunnyvale, we look at their el paso isdpd, we look at all these places. It's not a reflection of the job or the pay generally. It's a reflection of the leadership of the culture well and I think it's a good.
Speaker 2:a good point to segue into is that you've got a lot of young leadership within your local associations and the region that you serve, hence why you are. You developed and it has been done across the state to a degree, but you've got a regional meeting coming up with all the local, regional POAs and talk about the reason why you thought it's needed and talk about what you plan on discussing that if any local poa leaderships looking at you know, watching this podcast or listening that maybe want to do the same thing in their region, uh, talk about what. What was the need for that?
Speaker 1:well, I think. I think we we kind of hit a little bit on it is is the whole misconception? Um, what I want to do is I want other departments to know that the misconception is it's not a battle about us against them or them against us. It's about coming together and making your make it better for people and officers to stay. I think that's the primary thing. The other thing, too, is the association is about giving back to the community as a group, and there are some that man are way above. They go above and beyond to give back to the community, but again, it needs the help of the city to help them give back. A lot of cities, which some of the leaders that are right now in Balcony Heights. They're all like, oh well, they're just crybabies. They're always wanting more, they're always wanting more pay, they're always wanting more of this, more of that, more of this, and then when they do have something that they want to give back to the community, they're not there, oh well that's their thing and it goes back to a culture thing.
Speaker 3:And on the way down here this morning I had three hours and 12 minutes of nothing. So I listened to Joe Rogan most recent episode with Theo Va the Ovan and they spent about 15 minutes talking about the police. In that people better get behind the police again. Nobody wants to be a cop again. Yep, the cops have gotten a raw deal for way too long.
Speaker 3:The George Floyd riots was a there's so much shit show. There's so much to all of it and Joe, to hear Joe Rogan and and theo vaughn um, who were liberals a few years ago till they realized that the the culture behind that. But it all goes back to and I don't mean any disrespect to any other department within the cities street department, parks department, fire department what other departments in cities? But all these hearing these city leaders and these cops are whining and all that, maybe, maybe. But I'll tell you people don't move to Balcones Heights or people don't move to Forney or Garland or Carrollton because they have a really good parks department. Or we heard that they have the nicest fire trucks or that their street department really knows how to patch potholes. They're doing a really good. That's not why elon musk moved to texas. There's there's all these things behind it.
Speaker 3:It's because we make communities safer absolutely through professional law enforcement taking care of people no matter matter, race, creed, color, whatever every day, and it's not because of all the other crap that mainstream media wants you to believe or some incompetent local leader. Well, they're just whining and crying. That's fine, but I can tell you that having a professional police department that you support only helps your city Absolutely. You're going to get business, you're going to. Everything's going to improve in this city.
Speaker 1:And and I will I will tell you that the businesses um, there in Balcony Heights that's one of the reasons why they don't leave is because when they need the police, they're there within minutes and I'm talking seriously and within minutes. Um, you know, the other thing too is is community, the, the relationship that we have with our businesses. We, we would have what we would call business checks. Hey, every day you go to a different business and you go and say hi, introduce yourself and make sure that they know you on a first name basis. I still go. I haven't, I haven't worked the streets in Balcony Heights in three years. I still can go to any business there. Hey, joey, how you doing, man? How have you been? Haven't seen you in a while.
Speaker 2:Kind of got shot. I mean, well, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1:There is a couple of things on that, but, and even okay, bringing that incident, hey, man, how you doing, how you feeling, it doesn't go a week, a week does not go by where even some of the business and some of the residents still call me on my personal cell phone. Hey, how you doing, Joey, how's everything? Hey, man, you know we miss you. That's cool, you know.
Speaker 2:But back to your point, though. I think that society as a whole, you know this we had this big quote-unquote community policing, push, you can call it whatever the hell you want to. We've been doing that shit we have since the beginning, so and it goes back to whenever your incident happened. Was was before george floyd. Um, you know, it's just, I don't know. Well, was it before george?
Speaker 1:floyd. No, it was right, it was after.
Speaker 2:But it was back to. My point is that we've been doing that shit for since the beginning of time, since the beginning of police work, and so it's all about. It's just it was called something different, or whatever the hell was called then, I'm not sure, but it's always been done.
Speaker 3:My dad started dallas pd in 67. He went to side to robberies in 71 and they were chasing some hijackers around dallas. Never could catch him. He goes upstairs one day and the legendary captain fritz, uh, dallas pd. Captain fritz. It's like hey, what are y'all doing? They said, oh, we've got these hijackers. And you know, it's these two black guys and, uh, red cadillac. And well, it's going to be the Smith brothers. Dad's like what I don't know Hell. We've been trying to figure out who they are. We've been running around chasing these two guys.
Speaker 3:Captain Fritz goes over to the phone. Miss Smith, captain Fritz, yes, ma'am, your boys are up to no good again. Yes, ma'am, you can bring them on down here. That way I don't have to send my dogs out there to hunt them down. Dad's like son of a bitch. We've been looking for those guys for freaking weeks, beating the bushes, and Captain Fritz knew the community. He picks the phone up, mom drives him up there and gives them to Dad. He's like and I'm thinking what's freaking community policing in 1971, when Captain Fritz knows who they are and knows their mama and can pick the phone up and call them. And they trusted the police enough for mama to drive up there and turn her kids in. That's community policing from 1971.
Speaker 1:So I would tell you that I mean nothing, not not quite like that, but I also. I got a call when I'm on the streets and it was like hey, my kid he's being. You know who? Blah, blah, blah, and the only one he'll listen to is you. You had one conversation with him one time. You know I treated him you know, I treat him with respect.
Speaker 1:One day I took him just just giving him a tour of the PD and I'm like, wow, even after my incident, I get a, I get a Facebook post or a message and said man, I remember you, You're the one that turned my life around from you know, you caught me with some dope and this and that.
Speaker 3:Shared it with me.
Speaker 1:But I'm like, wow, those are the things that like make my job and my career and why we did what we are doing. That's amazing.
Speaker 3:People have no clue how many, and that's just one person. You know that you've touched Whoa. There's no telling. Sorry about that. Lives One person's life that you affected. There's no telling how many times you did that and don't know about it. And then you magnify that by 800,000 cops in america.
Speaker 1:That's the story people, people need to hear absolutely absolutely well um so I know we got off track a little bit no, we didn't.
Speaker 2:I think we're. I think we're fine, I think we're fine. We're going to start something new, though, to kind of segue into something, uh, something funny. I think it's a great thing we highlight the situation out west is, uh, we're not sure what the hell we're going to call it, but it's stupid things that, uh, we deal with in our profession going across trying to think of a good name for it the donut hole of the week award or something.
Speaker 3:But I was going to talk two minutes about el paso isdpd. So about El Paso ISDPD. So El Paso ISDPD has been having issues for a while. We started looking into it and we talk on here a lot about leadership or, probably more importantly, poor leadership, and the best example for young people to watch how to become a leader is to watch poor leadership and learn all the ways what not to do. But we're trying to put a finger on all these issues at el paso isdpd and we do a bunch of open records requests and we got some records in this week and they can't. They can't seem to solve the, the the equation of what the problems are, and it all points to the leadership. So we get these records back this week and their police chief was appointed in 2019 2019.
Speaker 3:Um, I have the offer letter. He's his acceptance of he's going to be the grand poobah uh chief there. And then I get his t-call records and he went to the basic police officers academy in 2020. So he so never been a cop, nope. So he accepted a police chief job. Didn't know how to be a police officer, may not have known how to spell a police officer, but he accepted the job and then he went to the police academy a year later to learn how to become a police officer, so that he could become a police chief.
Speaker 2:And they can't figure out why they have problems like one of the largest cities in texas. Yep, that's a big.
Speaker 3:That's a big department yeah, and their school districts yeah pretty freaking massive consequence being right on the border, a lot of issues they face you need a freaking leader, and they can't seem to solve the riddle of what their problem is.
Speaker 1:But here's I'm going to tell you this is this is one of the big issues that we also we have. Is that so we have? We have, like, what I'm having here is a mayor who wants to control the city manager, who then wants to control the police chief, a fire chief and everybody. So he wants to get and clean out house so he can bring in his people, and that's what happens across Texas. It's like this guy's not a leader. He doesn't know how to run a police department because he's never been a cop. But you know what? He's my friend and he's going to do what I want him to do. So let me put him in that position.
Speaker 2:Hey, I was a product of that, I ain't going to shy away from it. With the sheriff's office I was a good friend of a friend. I think he utilized my position within TMPA, my political clout I was a field rep, being a union guy, you know for the most part, damn. That never helped me Well, and so I saw the lack of leadership that he brought after he became who he was and it just went to his head and that's why I'm here at TNPA now. So the shit goes full circle.
Speaker 1:But I think that's a big, huge problem and an issue that we have same thing with even even our um, just our uh, like even sergeants, lieutenants and captains is, oh, he's, he's a friend, or man you know what, we go drinking together or we have parties together, or man you know, he knows, he knows a little bit too much about me, so I better, you know, keep him closer. Right, let me give him, let me let me give him a, a position so he can, but they're not leaders right now you know leaders.
Speaker 3:Just because you get elected mayor doesn't mean suddenly, overnight, you became a leader that's exactly right, you got a. Doesn't necessarily mean you could lead somebody out of a water.
Speaker 1:The mayor now. He has history. He has history in other cities that he's worked for and they all say the same thing. This is the same pattern and same thing that he's done in other departments.
Speaker 2:There are some questionable things that were done in Floresville. It was the EDC in Floresville. There's speculation there. I'm not saying that he did it, I'm not saying that he wasn't found guilty of it, but I'm going to call it what it is and say that there was speculation that there were some funds that were misused. During the tracing of those funds, he resigned from said position and then suddenly became the mayor at Bacona after the election Sounds weirdly like a gentleman that left the El Paso area to become a chief and marshal. Yes.
Speaker 3:There was funds allegedly missing.
Speaker 5:Jesus said he can't.
Speaker 3:And he mysteriously had to flee El Paso in the night to become the chief and marshal that was. Those were fun times in marshall for sure. Yep, yep. But hey, comment down below what our weekly award needs to be donut hole, dingleberry of the week or whatever, I like it? Comment down below. Let us know what we need. We'll uh we'll hit one problem child in uh one problem why week?
Speaker 1:Why don't we call it the Johnny Rodriguez, the Balcony Heights Johnny Rodriguez Award, the Johnny Ringo Award, the Johnny Ringo Award, but Johnny.
Speaker 3:Rodriguez was a great singer in the 70s in Texas, really, yeah, I wasn't even born, yet I don't even know who he was.
Speaker 2:Johnny Rodriguez. He's back from like the Freddie. Fender era. Oh, okay.
Speaker 1:Oh, okay, I know, freddie Frender.
Speaker 2:I'll come back on here Probably next couple months and give us an update On Bacona sites and let us know what's going on there. It'll be interesting to see, and you're doing a Bexar County area.
Speaker 3:It's a Bexar County.
Speaker 1:Hill Country Kind of region Association mixer. It's a meeting, leadership meeting. Mr Tyler Owen's Going to be there. Kevin kind of region association mixer. It's a meeting, a leadership meeting. Mr Tyler Owen's going to be there. Kevin, kevin Lawrence will also be there.
Speaker 2:I just told you that it's Kevin Lawrence.
Speaker 1:Oh, Kevin, what kind of crowd. He's in to make it more proper, more proper, he's Kevin.
Speaker 3:Lawrence and I kind of like supple Vita. No, so we've done. That'll be a Barrett County Hill Country area. Tony Reich did a Collin County area POA meeting. David Karlowitz did a Wilco area Austin, wilco area.
Speaker 3:Layton did a Harris County that went over really well, had a ton of Harris County agencies there. I think it's our conference every year always. Preach is a great opportunity to network. It's gotten so big. We have like five to 550 there now sometimes it's kind of hard to network, yeah, um. So if you're in the area of some of these area meetings, man, it's I think it's an awesome way and I'll use collin county for an as an example. You have mckinney, allen, frisco, um, a bunch of agencies there, salina, all those, yeah, they all have issues. There may be different issues, um, but every department has an issue, absolutely, and at some point. The issue I'm facing isn't what he's facing now, but it may be at point. So if we can sit down and break bread and figure out hey man, how'd y'all navigate through that horrible mayor incident, how'd y'all navigate that? Or how did you guys, you know, get through having to go through a new chief?
Speaker 1:Um, it's a great way to learn. So I got two departments in my in my area that I'm dealing with the mayors of municipalities.
Speaker 3:It's more common. Sometimes dealing with freaking horrible mayors is more common than dealing with a bad chief and the other one's the same thing, almost in Converse.
Speaker 2:It's the Converse mayor. I'll call it what it is, I don't care, it's the Converse mayor. It's the tyrant leadership style that the Bacona Science is facing.
Speaker 3:But there might be some criminal aspects on it. Do it. We can't talk too much about the beautiful thing that's cracking me up right now is we have balconies, converse, we have texas city I'm dealing with sunnyvale, uh, el paso, isdpd. The freaking funny thing about it is is all these, in every one of these places. I guarantee you I don't know the issues there. Every one of these leaders preach transparency oh god, I'm transparency but in two of them there's speculation about some how they handle in their personal business so I'm asking for their phone records and they are fighting like hell to make sure nobody sees their text messages.
Speaker 3:And it's funny the hypocrisy of somebody preaching all the time transparency sure doesn't want anybody to see what they might be who and what they might be text messages side pieces, side pieces.
Speaker 2:Well, maybe, maybe. Yeah, well, I'll say this cartoon, I'll say this janet. The other day she said a person who cannot control their own house cannot control a leadership or be, be at least respected, in a leadership position. And if you think about it, it's pretty damn accurate.
Speaker 3:Yeah, a lot of people whose personal lives are a mess, their professional lives are a mess, or vice versa.
Speaker 2:So it's always kind of common.
Speaker 1:So back to what you were saying, glenn. The reason of these regional association meetings is for that purpose, and I'm just going to say it out there for the listeners in my area. If you're in a police department that doesn't have an association but are thinking about it, you're more than welcome. Give me a call. You know how to get ahold of me. Call Tyler, call Clint, yeah, and you want to come to the meeting so you could see how it is. What's it all about? You know there is no cost, there is nothing. All I want is for the departments to unite and come together and if there's any issues that we that I can or TMPA can help out, that's what we're there for and that's our primary job.
Speaker 2:Joey said he got the idea because he's watching Braveheart and the minute all the scotland villages came together and united, he wanted to wear their, their shields of honor and then I can have one of those.
Speaker 3:That's the part where they all bend over and hold their kilter.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, meeting of the minds, meeting of the minds. Well, hey, man, I appreciate you coming on. It's great seeing you again, thank you welcome back anytime, anytime, you got anything else.
Speaker 3:No, he's done the pop quiz. He has done the pop. He's done the pop quiz, so I'll throw another one at you, being as how old are you now?
Speaker 1:Oh geez, Do I have to say that on the air 38. Oh yeah, 25.
Speaker 3:What would 38-year-old Joey Sepavida say to 16-year-old Joey Sepavida if he could?
Speaker 1:You dumbass. You should have stayed in school.
Speaker 2:I could hear.
Speaker 3:Clint.
Speaker 1:McNair saying that to you, clint?
Speaker 3:McNair.
Speaker 1:Honestly, to tell you the truth, at 16, there was not much of thought of future. You know thoughts.
Speaker 4:I was more school sports. So what would you tell that kid now on what you know?
Speaker 1:life is not going to be easy and that, uh, I would never have ever thought of me being and getting involved with um multiple agencies. So you better start getting to know what you're talking about early, early, yeah, and some of our youth, my stepson, Utes.
Speaker 3:Did you say Utes?
Speaker 1:Our Utes. You know, every youth goes through ups and downs and trobs and tribulations and for the most part, this kid is just super smart. Kid is just super smart. He has a goal that he sets and he accomplishes it. And I think that's where me, as a young adult, um, I had envisions of goals, but I wasn't really focused on, hey, how am I going to accomplish it? I'll just let life kind of go.
Speaker 1:James, right now he is 24, 25. He graduated from college. He has his own job, he's a personal trainer. I mean, this guy is just a brick house. He got into boxing. He had his first MMA match two weeks ago. He did awesome. And just to see this kid grow from a scrawny little kid that didn't know a shit about Shinola, about football, when I met him, we were wrestling on the ground and I told him I said you're going to have people your age, my weight doing this shit to you and for him to just say you know what, I'm not gonna do this, I'm not gonna take it. Summer, he went, worked out, started lifting and look at him now. Yeah, I mean, just a great kid.
Speaker 2:You don't see that much of him with this generation. No, yeah, no, definitely testament to that.
Speaker 1:And so, like I said, if I could go back in time and I would want to have James' mentality and James' focus on his goals. That's cool For a stepdad to recognize that about his stepson focus on his goals.
Speaker 2:That's cool For a stepdad to recognize that about his stepson, that's pretty honorable, oh no.
Speaker 1:He's an amazing little kid. I mean, every once in a while he needs to get his ass kicked. But you know I may be 53, James, but I'll kick your ass one way or another.
Speaker 2:I cheat. That's awesome. Well, hey, we're going to give you guys an update here in the next couple weeks about the Hill Country Regional POA Leadership Meeting we've got going on, and then also keep you guys updated about Baconas Heights and the toxic leadership that's going on there in Texas City still kind of a train wreck. There's some hope. We'll see kind of what that looks like, but yeah, man, it's just blowing and going. You got anything else?
Speaker 3:Big Dog. Texas FOP Spring Board Meeting is in Wichita Falls April 11-13 at Delta Marriott. Really really pretty nice, very nice brand-new hotel in Wichita Falls April 11-13,. We have T-Palm Texas Helps Memorial April 27th or 8th, that Sunday. Yes, okay, that's all I got.
Speaker 2:Cool, I don't have anything else, clint it's always good.
Speaker 1:Oh, you do.
Speaker 3:What You're going to Garland for.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, shout out to the Wimberley Lady Texan volleyball team. They are going to state this Friday so when this episode drops, hopefully they will be the champions of 4A D2. Great, great, great experience to see those young ladies and talk about youth. You know, people ask me all the time why did we pick that community to move to? We had to move to Austin and so we went to Round Rock, georgetown. We settled into Wimberley and the other day we had our young football banquet, and so five varsity young men came to our youth football banquet and they wanted to provide the awards to the kids.
Speaker 5:Oh, that's awesome, because they wanted to give back, you know.
Speaker 2:Cody Stover. Phenomenal phenom of an athlete.
Speaker 1:See, that's leadership right there oh 100% tight things rice commit.
Speaker 2:Braden Casey Braden Casey's a young bull rider Tore his ACL third game into the season. He's about 5'2 and a buck 50, built like a brick shithouse and one of the awards that we gave out this year was the Texan Pride Award and he still. He doesn't have to go to the games, but he's got a tour in ACL, shows up to each practice, stays the entire practice.
Speaker 2:That's awesome Goes to the game stays for the entire game. Was there last night at St Ed's whenever Wimbley took on Salado to go on to the state semifinals, and so the guys just got a lot of pride within them. So, yeah, the community I live in is great, but, yeah, good luck to the Wimbley Texans this Friday.
Speaker 1:Yeah, good luck.
Speaker 3:Hearing about those young men gives you hope. Yes, it does A lot of good, really young like your boy and it's, it's confirmation.
Speaker 2:We moved to a great place for my kids to look up to some. You know some people and it's just amazing to see the culture. Ironically, when I came to work for TMPA and Moody Wimberly did not know this, but Mitch Landry, deputy Executive Director of TMPA, was roommates with the Athletic Director, doug Warren. Doug Warren is a phenomenal man. I'm sure he did not get his characteristics and leadership style from Mitch Joking, completely joking. But yeah, they were roommates in college and so I was at this football field and Doug walked up and had a TNPA head-on to structure the conversation. No, everything's going good, wembley's going good. The rut is on. By the way, I was almost sexually assaulted again the other day by a big buck, so yeah, oh, yes, I saw that I saw those pictures, whoa Not me almost getting assaulted.
Speaker 2:What were?
Speaker 3:you going to say One more huge shout out, because I mean it from the bottom of my heart Listening to Joe Rogan Joe Rogan experience and Theo Vaughn seriously spend probably 15 minutes talking about support for the police and their disgust of how we were treated for the last four or five years. I can't tell you there was a time where I thought I may never hear anybody say something like that again and to hear joe rogan and theo vaughn spend a significant chunk of a portion of their episode talking about the police and their support for it.
Speaker 3:I can't think of that.
Speaker 2:I'll be sure to tell them that you said that that is the coolest thing yeah, when y'all have a beer this evening god, dang, I wish. So, man, I wish, but anyway, well, hey, I guess this wraps it up. Uh, again, we'll keep everybody updated on bacona science. Our thoughts and prayers are with the men and women of bacona sites, the whole city, all the staff and the poa for how they've handled everything. And uh, man, den lots crank. The band looks like we're fixing a dance some love to our irving pd family.
Speaker 3:Lost an officer yes, freaking, hugely, hugely respected officer, swat member, long-time military. Got out of the military, been on a short period of time. Somebody pulled out in front of him, hit him on his motorcycle. Irving is crushed. They are devastated. They were telling me the other day he's the guy that would walk into briefing and say, hey, everybody, get to freaking, frown off your face. We get to be the police and put catch bad guys every day. Damn it, everybody quit frowning and have a good time. And they said that was every day when he would come into briefing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, our past president, who's irving police sergeant, pretty broke up about it. He was, that was one of his troops, and he said he was a phenomenal person. And, yeah, I just couldn't imagine, couldn't imagine, imagine so the brotherhood, the bond that you share. I'm sure it's like this today, but the window-to-window conversations you have in the parking lots and the old piglet wigglies and HEBs, you can't replace those. So our thoughts and prayers with RVPD. We love you guys and we're here if you need Jim, we are here if you need us. So God bless you guys, take care, and God bless you guys, take care, and God bless Texas. We are out, thank you. The name Zafira means ''Pure'', religion, ''major''.
Speaker 5:Religion ''Muslim''. The Thank you.
