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EP 85 From Shark Tank to Success: The Wildwonder Story With Founder, Rosa Li

• Deb, Mocktail Mom • Season 1 • Episode 85

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Buckle up because today's episode is one I've been so excited about! Joining me is none other than Rosa Li, the incredible founder of Wildwonder, my absolute favorite sparkling drink that's as delicious as it is good for your gut. If you've heard me rave about it, now's your chance to get the full scoop on the brand straight from the source.

Rosa shares her inspiring journey from being a private equity investor to launching her very own wellness brand, blending ancient Eastern herbal wisdom with California's fresh, vibrant produce. We talk about everything from her grandma's healing tonics, to how Wildwonder survived the pandemic, to getting a life-changing deal on Shark Tank with DoorDash's CEO, Tony Xu.

If you’re curious about gut health, love a good mocktail, or just want to hear a heartwarming founder's story, grab your favorite Wildwonder flavor (Strawberry Passion is my fave!), and tune in. You’re going to love this one! 


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Deb:

Buckle up, friends, and welcome to the Thriving Alcohol-Free Podcast. I'm your host, deb, otherwise known as Mocktail Mom, a retired wine drinker that finally got sick and tired of spinning on life's broken record called Detox to Retox. Let this podcast be an encouragement to you. If alcohol is maybe a form of self-care for you, where you find yourself dragging through the day waiting to pour another glass, I am excited to share with you the fun of discovering new things to drink when you aren't drinking and the joy of waking up each day without a hangover. It is an honor to serve as your sober, fun guide. So sit back and relax or keep doing whatever it is you're doing. This show is produced for you with love from the great state of Kentucky. Thanks so much for being here and big time cheers. Okay, hey friends, it's Deb. Welcome back to Thriving Alcohol-Free.

Deb:

I am out of my mind today. Out of my mind because one of my favorite brands is joining us in the house Rosa Li, the founder of Wildw onder, which you guys have heard me talk about. Wildw onder, the sparkling drink of deliciousness in cans. Rosa, I love what you have created. I love it.

Deb:

Oh, thank you. Thank you, deb. I'm just so excited to be here. Thank you, I almost couldn't sleep last night. I'm so happy to talk to you. You and I did an Instagram Live together forever ago. I can't believe I haven't had you on the podcast. I'm coming up to my second year anniversary, or almost closing out the second year here. I should say.

Rosa Li:

Yeah, Well in.

Deb:

Glyla, we're changing that. Yes, I'm so, so happy. So let me read your bio just so everybody can know a little bit of your background before we get started. But I'm so excited to chat with you. Okay, rosa is a food fanatic and a former investor turned food entrepreneur. Love it. She's a believer in food as medicine, but doesn't believe you need to give up taste for health. She's inspired by the healing tonics her grandma brewed for her while growing up. She's on a mission to make wellness accessible by combining ancient nutrition with modern flavors. Oh my goodness. Prior to embarking on her entrepreneurial journey and founding Wild Wonder, rosa was a private equity and venture investor at warburg pinkis. Am I saying that right?

Deb:

yes, warburg pinkis warburg pinkis okay, an investment banker at morgan stanley. Rosa holds an mba from stanford university. She is a fulbright scholar and a tory birch fellow. Amazing, your background is incredible. Okay, so now you're on this other side of like. You worked on businesses and now you're working on your own business.

Rosa Li:

It's more fun to be on this side, is it? Is it? It is a hundred percent and, um, you know, just amazing to obviously bring a brand to life and to see it grow. Um, to see how it touches our customers, and we're constantly getting really positive feedback from people um, saying that it's, you know, delicious and how it touches our customers, and we're constantly getting really positive feedback from people saying that it's delicious and how it's helped their gut health. I mean, people are just using these drinks for in so many different occasions for so many different purposes, and you and I know that these can also be used as a mocktail and enjoy it as a mixer. So I am just very happy to see Wild Wonder making an impact.

Deb:

Incredible, incredible. Okay, do you want to share a little? Well, first of all, let's open up our cans. I brought to today. I have with me the Banana Queen, which is delicious, my other favorite and you've got what?

Rosa Li:

the raspberry, the raspberry lychee yeah, this is the flavor that we just launched earlier this year, before banana cream, and this is currently my favorite choice.

Deb:

Is it Okay, mine? I mean, they're all so good, I mean really they're so delicious. I cannot say that enough, thank you. Okay, but I will say the strawberry passion might be my favorite.

Rosa Li:

That is our top flavor.

Deb:

Is it? Oh, is it.

Rosa Li:

Really, I really like it and it's just like a really well-balanced combination of sweet and, I guess, sour and because of you know, the passion fruit juice is more acidic and strawberry it's just such a popular fruit and we actually brew hibiscus flowers as the base of the drink. So that's the herbal component which I'm happy to share more about. You know Eastern herbal wisdom, which had a lot of influence on these drinks.

Deb:

Amazing. Okay, let's open up our cans. Let's drink while we're doing big time Cheers to you, rosa, big time Cheers, cheers to you too. Okay, so good, so good. All right, tell us your founder story. I want to hear.

Rosa Li:

Yeah, so I grew up in China, so my grandparents actually raised me. For the first 12 years of my life. Grandma brewed a lot of these herbal tonics for me, growing up, just with a symphony of wild herbs and botanicals, and they were not nearly as delicious as the ones that you're having.

Rosa Li:

You made grandma's tonics better. She taught me a lot about Eastern herbal wisdom and the philosophy of food as medicine. So fast forward to growing up me. I worked a lot of stressful jobs. I started my career in finance, I traveled a lot, I barely slept, so that all had an impact on my body, mostly my gut. So I actually at one point went to the doctor's office and he said you're the first girl who over-reported her weight by 15 pounds. And I was like why would I ever do that? And I realized that I just wasn't living a healthy lifestyle and I really impact my health.

Rosa Li:

So I started reading about gut health and this is before gut health really became that popular, but I really believed in it how it really affects our overall wellness, from brain health to energy level, to immunity I mean really everything. So after I graduated from Stanford Business School, I wanted to do something I'm personally passionate about and that's really to bring these gut healthy and heritage inspired ingredients to the masses, make gut health more accessible through something super delicious. I'm a huge foodie. I don't believe in giving up taste for health. A lot of these better for you products like functional beverages don't taste that good and they're not very approachable. So, basically, well, when it was born out of that idea and we combine Eastern herbal wisdom with the concept of a California produce stand, so I'm basically saying everything.

Rosa Li:

I was, you know, very much influenced by, obviously, grandma's herbs as well as just the freshness of California produce, and that's why our drinks taste really fruit forward, very fresh. So, if you really think about what makes the drinks, it's really there's two components. There's the herbs that's rooted in Eastern herbal wisdom, so the first ingredient in every can is a fresh brewed herb or botanical, and then the second part is a fruit, so it's strawberry passion, that's strawberry juice and passion fruit juice. The one that I have here raspberry lychee, is also pretty apparent is combining one of my favorite Asian fruits with a quintessential American fruit. This is, you know, also super popular. So, yeah, I mean it's really born out of those ideas and launched the brand in 2020, which was a crazy time to launch.

Rosa Li:

And I actually remember when I first launched, I was so excited. I packed up our booth. I actually drove down to Anaheim, california, which is where the biggest trade show in food and bev and consumer products is, and that's called Expo West, yep, expo, products, expo. And then I remember setting up and they just said, very last minute, shows canceled because of the pandemic. So yeah, I basically didn't launch there. I drove everything back and decided to just go door to door and sell our products, and the history really was I knocked down, oh gosh, over a hundred door stores in about three months time, and this is when everyone was quarantining at home and everyone was really scared. So I basically went out to all the independent mama shops, grocery stores and helped people stock shelves as a way to get my products in and made friends with all the grocery store buyers, and those are the only places that were really open, and so grocery stores really became my amusement park and I just loved perusing and, you know, sharing our products with all the stores around San Francisco.

Rosa Li:

The other hard part during COVID was, you know, we were selling these drinks to all the corporate offices like Google and Meta, and they had large POs, and then all of a sudden COVID hit and because of the pandemic, there was a shutdown and offices were no longer open. So that made my first year extremely hard, because we basically thought that we're going to have a huge business in food service and office pantry and that completely evaporated. So we just worked really hard to stock the store shelves and we made our website happen in about three months time as well. I essentially started sharing products with people online, so that's really the start of of this journey. I would say the first couple years were definitely the hardest, and now it's just been so exciting to see the. You know how people perceive our products and love our products and they're buying it. They're buying more of it and once they try it and they're coming back. So thank you for supporting our brand and enjoying Wild Wonder for the last few years.

Deb:

Oh, yeah, okay. And I will say I have never met someone who's tried Wild Wonder that said, no, I didn't like it, never Like anybody I recommend it to. I've never had somebody come back and be like I didn't like it. Maybe they prefer one flavor over another or whatever, but like, I feel like everyone 10 out of 10 people love Wild Wonder. So amazing, yeah, yeah. So thank you for creating this deliciousness. Yeah, yeah, what a story. Okay, and then you were on Shark Tank, yeah.

Rosa Li:

Yeah, shark Tank was amazing. I mean that's honestly life-changing, was it Really? Yeah, yeah, I mean I actually didn't watch that much Shark Tank. I knew that it was just such a popular show. I mean it's got 4 million viewership across the country. I mean that's huge. It's huge and that's really such a great platform to share our story. And people who are tuning in are all interested in people's entrepreneurial stories. They may even want to be entrepreneurs themselves and they're just curious and they're there to learn more about new products. And there's also a lot of families that watch Shark Tank, which is a really great target audience for us. We have so many families buying our drinks.

Rosa Li:

So when that aired and that happened in January 2023, so that was almost a year, a year and a half ago and, yeah, I mean everything changed since then because we got so much demand after that. I mean I remember they told me literally on Christmas Eve that they were going to air the episode. So Shark Tank actually only tells you with like a two week notice. So we aired in January. They told us in December and that was the perfect Christmas gift. I literally woke up on Christmas Eve and I got an email from them and I was like, oh my gosh, this is amazing. And, of course, during the holidays, no one was working, so we couldn't really prep much, so that part was, you know, january was very busy. So we started prepping for Shark Tank and I hosted this really fun watch party with our team, our friends who have supported us since the beginning, so just to really share that memorable experience. So when everyone watched Shark Tank that's also the first time I saw the episode I had no idea how they were going to cut it. The taping was, I think, was like five no, it was four months earlier, so taping happened in 2022. And I was talking to the sharks and I was in the tank for gosh an hour and a half and, obviously, episode yeah, the episode was eight minutes long, an hour and a half. You stand there An hour and a half. We're going to share how it's going to turn out, but it just turned out amazing and I think they told the story really well. And, yeah, there were a lot of questions that were asked. Shark Tank loves to get as much content as possible, and especially for episodes that had a lot of, you know, like sharks going back and forth, because we actually got a deal. So because we got a deal, the episode or the conversations generally were longer and obviously if you don't get a deal, when the sharks all kind of peace out and the episodes or conversations were just shorter. But yeah, it was such an amazing, amazing episode.

Rosa Li:

So when that aired, I remember our Amazon immediately went out of stock. After about two hours went out of stock. Everyone went to DTC to purchase our products and we basically made a whole year's worth of revenue in one month. So yeah, it was. It was really crazy, and so that that's really like the start of explosive growth. And since then we've just been expanding very rapidly and obviously you know we have a really good product and the product really turns on shelf. So once people try it they come back and they come back for more. So that's really helpful Because you know product is really the taste is the first and foremost important thing and obviously there's additional benefits and people love the product. So some of that free marketing really propelled us to that next stage of growth. I think since Shark Tank we expanded very rapidly. We are basically in a national with Sprouts we are also sold at really like the flagship retailers in different regions, depending on where you are so select Target, select Kroger.

Rosa Li:

We also recently launched with, you know, many divisions of Albertson Safeway. So you know I'm based in California and in North we launched with R for Safeways here Southern California Albertson stores and bonds pavilions and also in the Rockies. Yeah, it's just really, really excited to expand with all the retail accounts because my goal is to really make gut health accessible, make these products accessible to the average consumer, and we want to stock every grocery store in America. So we're just one step closer to that goal.

Deb:

You are doing it, yes, and every can 35 calories.

Rosa Li:

Yes, yes, very low calorie, low sugar. So 35 to 40 calories, six grams of sugar. And it has not only probiotics, which you see in kombucha. When the whole gut health conversation started, you know, people started consuming yogurt, you know fermented foods, kombucha. So that's probiotics. There's also prebiotics. Prebiotics, essentially, is the food for probiotics to thrive, so both are very important components to gut health. Similar to humans, probiotics are live organisms that also need food, so to make them work more productively and more effectively, they need prebiotics. So we have a more holistic way to approach gut health. We have these prebiotics fiber derived from the botanicals, like Jerusalem artichoke, chicory root, and we also have probiotics in there. So it's, you know, just delicious and very with a lot of benefits.

Deb:

So good. It's what? 50, about 50% less sugar than like a traditional kombucha, right yeah?

Rosa Li:

definitely Yep, yep. 50% less sugar than kombucha, 90% less sugar than soda just depending on how you know what people typically consume. Actually, when I was on Shark Tank, I first pitched it as a better tasting alternative to kombucha and that really resonated with a lot of people. Mark Cuban actually said it best and he said I can't stand the kombucha, I can drink this all day long. He actually chugged a whole can of Strawberry Passion and I know that's your top flavor and immediately we just saw on Amazon that flavor was just gone.

Deb:

So even if he didn't invest in the company, he definitely helped to propel. So maybe that's why that's your number one seller is the Strawberry Passion. Thank you, mark Cuban. Okay, so maybe that's why that's your number one seller is the strawberry passion. Yes, thank you, mark Cuban. Okay. So I thought you were going to say it was life-changing when you got your investment. So you got an investment from Tony, but it was more when it went live. Oh yeah.

Rosa Li:

Yeah, I mean, yes, obviously financial capital is always helpful, but I think just the brand awareness is even more impactful, because thinking about, I mean, how much does marketing and advertising cost? And that's very costly. If people want a segment on, I don't know, abc or the Today Show or whatever, that had three to four million viewership and that's very expensive. So Shark Tank was essentially free marketing for us.

Deb:

Yeah, yeah, and sales are everything. Sales are everything. Yeah, you can have all the capital in the world, but you don't have no sales, yeah, okay, some of you know that I accidentally stopped drinking when I did a challenge to take a month off from alcohol, my BFF Chardonnay and now I live an alcohol-free lifestyle and I absolutely love it. But I also realized that's not for everybody. Originally my goal was just to moderate. I wanted to learn how to moderate. So you might be thinking I would love to cut back a bit, but I am not ready to quit cold turkey, so you don't have to. I have a little tip for you. It's called Sunnyside. It's the number one alcohol moderation app in the United States and maybe it would be a fit for you if you're looking for no pressure, just support and tools to help you actually drink less. With Sunnyside, you set your own pace, track your drinks and connect with a community of people who get it. You pick a plan that fits your goals and, the best part, 96% of people who use Sunnyside drink less after just 90 days. That's huge. So if you're ready to cut back your drinking without feeling overwhelmed, maybe give Sunnyside a shot. Visit the link in the show notes to get a free 15-day trial and check out Sunnyside for yourself.

Deb:

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Rosa Li:

Oh, wow, that took a long time because a lot of names were taken and obviously trademark is very hard to get and obviously all the websites are also sold to everyone. So I would say the beginning stage name the name was actually the hardest. I wanted a name that really let our spirit shine through. So we're very fun, very whimsical, so wild. The word wild, I think, really denotes our culture, our spirit, but also means our products and ingredients all come from the wild, so there's a natural element to that Wonder. That part is easy. We want to create everyday wonders, and for those under voice in our communities as well. So we definitely want to bring that wonder to people's everyday life. So, and then you know, the name itself. May not, you know, be obvious that this is a drink brand, but we really want to be a heart brand where you know people have like an emotional connection to the brand.

Deb:

I love that. A heart brand, I love that, yeah, heart. So you probably have to like narrow down. Okay, that name won't work. Okay, that one's already trademarked, that one's so much legal stuff, yeah, that's right. Yeah, the legalese and the websites. Oh my goodness, anything behind the scenes of shark tank that, like us as the audience, I never would have known an hour and a half you'd be standing. Anything else that like that somebody as the audience. We have no idea what goes on back there.

Rosa Li:

oh well, I mean what the minute I walked out of those doors is exactly like you see on TV. The year before they really taped the entire season in about 10 days. So all the sharks fly there and then there's usually four regular sharks that you always see. They pick four and then they like to have a guest shark, and then usually the guest shark they try to match based on your industry. So there's not a lot of, you know, entrepreneurs who did food and beverage right. Even the sharks those, the sharks from Shark Tank most of them came from tech or real estate.

Rosa Li:

So I wasn't really expecting someone, as you know, a food entrepreneur. So then they told me hey, you know we, we think we have the perfect shark for you. So they they only tell people the shark panel like a week before. So we had no idea. When they told me hey, I think you know this could be a great match for you. Uh, this person isn't a food entrepreneur, but he's in food tech. And I actually immediately thought to myself hey, wouldn't it be great if it's like a DoorDash or Uber Eats, because then that would be the perfect platform for us to launch on and that's actually great distribution. Be a great partner for us. It's not just from a financial perspective, but also just strategically. It would be great. I didn't think it was actually going to happen. So when I found out it was Tony Hsu, the CEO of DoorDash, I was like, oh my gosh, this is crazy. I mean, it's just, it's like a match made in heaven.

Deb:

I was just. I was thinking that a match made in heaven is exactly what it is. The CEO of DoorDash is who invested in your business.

Rosa Li:

Yeah, yeah. And then you know and it's also awesome that he's another you know API entrepreneur. So when I shared my story and the other thing I should note before I say this part is it's truly like reality TV where they had no idea who was going to walk out of those doors. So they don't get any information about the companies are presenting, they don't get any information about the founders are presenting. So when I walked out, when I see them, that's when they first see me.

Deb:

They know nothing about you.

Rosa Li:

Yeah, they knew nothing. They didn't even know who was going to walk out. So that's just how the program runs. Because they want that surprise element, they want it to be as real as possible. So when I pitch what people see on TV, that two-minute pitch at the very beginning, that's when they first hear about the brand, the company and the founding story. So everything is pretty real. What you see is pretty real. There's no like oh, I'm sorry I messed up that part. Let me repeat it.

Deb:

I was going to say so you have to nail it. Were you so nervous?

Rosa Li:

There's definitely some nerves going on. I knew I was going to do Shark Tank. There's kind of about a two months of prep time and the weekend before I literally binged all the food and beverage episodes that were aired on Shark Tank just to like understand what really goes on. So that was really helpful. So by the time I was there, I was already. I think I had been nervous and then I was already excited.

Rosa Li:

I was more excited than nervous, so it was just such an exciting time to share the story, to talk to the sharks and to see them in person versus just on TV, you know, I mean, and to see them in person versus just on TV, you know, I mean they're all very nice people and very supportive and so I felt very welcomed and I felt very supported because, well one, they love the product, so and they love the story and I think it was awesome that Tony Hsu, who was also an API entrepreneur who really made it, also an API entrepreneur who really made it, and he is such a trailblazer in the industry.

Rosa Li:

To get that validation from him, to get support from him, has just been so value add and is very validating for us. So when I told my story about immigrating to the States and my parents are immigrants. I grew up with my grandparents and he actually shared his story and he also immigrated from China to the US when he was 12. So I felt like there's a lot of resonance and connection there, and he is all about supporting small businesses the fact that he connects small businesses restaurant owners with consumers through his platform, and that's what their mission is all about as well. So it was just the perfect match. But I think it was just awesome to share that with the broader audience, like how COVID really destroyed our initial launch and how we persevered through all the challenges that COVID posed and really survived and thrived after. I think that's a story that really resonated, with sharks just having persistence, having passion and, you know, really iterating a product to the point that people love and are buying and buying for more.

Deb:

No, it's so tremendous. I mean, you could have easily just stayed in your apartment or stayed in your house and been like, okay, we can't sell to Facebook right now. Yeah, I definitely thought about that. Yeah, I mean right, Like that. Right Like I'm just going to stand on my covers here and hide and, you know, cry my way through what's going on right now. But like you just were like, okay, let's go roll up your sleeves and figure it out away. Yeah, it's so incredible. Okay. So then, when you went back to Expo West, what in 2022, maybe they had it again.

Rosa Li:

Yeah, when I first opened up the show floor, I think that was two years after COVID, so it's probably 2022. Yep, we went back to 2022 and that was the first year they had Expo.

Deb:

And what was that like then, when you could actually unpack your booth, have your booth, you didn't have to turn around and go home, you know, and not present at the show. Yeah, yeah, and it was also amazing.

Rosa Li:

At the time I had a small team of about five people, so it was not just myself anymore. That was also amazing just to feel the support from the team and there was so much positive energy at that show and people were just excited to, I guess, meet in person.

Deb:

Yeah, seriously, yeah, just a party to be in real life.

Rosa Li:

We like forgot what it was like to quarantine, like, I mean, for a long time we didn't see each other. So, yeah, so it was just to get people's reaction live in real time was so like heartwarming and it was super exciting. So then we had three products at a time and we were launching a fourth one. I think I want to say strawberry passion. Yes, we so. So expo actually now remember, expo actually happened before Shark Tank. The first expo happened before Shark Tank, and then the following year, after Shark Tank, we did expo again, and that's when we so when we launched strawberry passion the first year, and then we already had it, and so on Shark Tank, we did Expo again, and that's when we launched Strawberry Passion the first year, and then we already had it, and so on Shark Tank. Obviously that was available and that's why Mark Cuban had the opportunity to try it. And the following year we usually launch one product. A year, we always launch a new product. So we launched Pineapple Paradise and then earlier this year we launched Raspberry Lychee.

Deb:

So good, so good. It must be so fun to try all the flavors, to see these cans coming off the line. What does that feel like?

Rosa Li:

It's pretty exciting. I mean, you got to go to a manufacturing plant to really see it, to really get a feel for it, and then the first time I ever stepped into a plant, I was just fascinated.

Deb:

Really.

Rosa Li:

Yeah, super fun to see. And then the first time I ever stepped into a plant.

Deb:

I was just fascinated Really. Yeah, Super fun to see and they all move very fast. You're like okay, and it's happening, it's happening. Can I ask you about? So? You grew up in China with your grandparents and you emigrated here, which I love. You were 12. Is that right, yeah?

Rosa Li:

I was 12.

Deb:

And your parents were already here. They'd already come to the States. Amazing, did you fly by yourself? Did your parents come over and get you?

Rosa Li:

Oh, my grandmother flew with me here.

Rosa Li:

And what do you remember about that flight and what that felt like to be thinking like I'm moving to see my parents and I was excited to experience a new environment and learn a new culture, and I actually didn't speak any English at the time, so I was excited to learn a new language. Everything was just very new to me. Yeah, but it was, it's just. I moved from one very non diverse place to another very non-diverse place, but non-diverse in the opposite direction. So I went from Beijing to Indiana and Indiana is, you know, it's very there's not a lot of like Asian population.

Deb:

Yeah, it's very vanilla America.

Rosa Li:

Yes, yeah, yeah.

Deb:

Wow, okay, so you were in Beijing. That's where you lived, that's where my childhood was. That's amazing, that's amazing. Lived that's where my childhood was. That's amazing, that's amazing. My youngest daughter is from the Hunan province. Oh cool, very cool, yeah, yeah, very special place in my heart for the.

Rosa Li:

Chinese people.

Deb:

Have you been? I have I've been to Changsha and Guangzhou.

Rosa Li:

Yeah, yeah, no those are fun places, very unique places to visit Warmer weather than Beijing.

Deb:

Very hot. Yes, changsha, where we were, where we received Lily, was actually it's kind of I would, it's like Florida. I mean it was like so hot and humid and the and the smog like we were up at a high, high rise hotel or whatever. I mean you could barely see the hotel across the street. I mean it was like like that California smog on a really bad day.

Deb:

I don't think, people think of that, rosa, I absolutely love you. I love your brand. Thank you so much for bringing Wildw onder to market. I cannot thank you enough for being our guest today and for sharing your story. I know all my listeners we all love you. We love, love Wild Wonder. I think if anybody's ordering off your website code Mocktail Mom, we'll get them 15% off, I think. But obviously if you're at Sprouts or Albertsons or Safeway or some of the Kroger's, look for Wild Wonder. Buy Wild Wonder, so delicious.

Rosa Li:

Oh, thank you.

Deb:

Yeah, rosa, thank you so much. Thank you for doing this. Thank you for having me, deb. I'm so honored that you joined Thriving Alcohol-Free today.

Rosa Li:

Well, I'm honored that you've been following our journey and supporting us since day one, so thank you.

Deb:

Big time cheers to you for tuning in to the Thriving Alcohol-Free podcast. I hope you will take something from today's episode and make one small change that will help you to thrive and have fun in life without alcohol. If you enjoyed this episode and you'd like to help support the podcast, please share it with others, post about it on social, send up a flare or leave a rating and a review. I am cheering for you as you discover the world of non-alcoholic drinks and as you journey towards authentic freedom. See you in the next episode.