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EP 96 The NA Bottle Shop Experience You’ve Always Wanted With Kristin and Andee of Orangily

• Deb, Mocktail Mom • Season 1 • Episode 96

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Get ready to meet the fabulous sister duo behind Orangily (formerly Loren’s Alcohol-Free Beverages)—Kristin and Andee! Join us to hear all about how their shift toward an alcohol-free lifestyle in 2021 led them to open Indiana's second non-alcoholic bottle shop near Indianapolis—a place that’s quickly become a go-to for everyone looking to swap their usual for something fabulous and booze-free.

Kristin and Andee share their passion for creating a welcoming space where everyone—from the sober-curious to wine lovers looking to cut back—can explore the non-alcoholic world with a little guidance. Spoiler alert: they don’t just sell drinks—they coach you through their curated collection! From award-winning wines to bitters that add that perfect pop to your seltzer, they’ve got something special for every palate. With their exciting rebrand in the works to capture their vibrant personalities and align with the wellness world, Kristin and Andee are more pumped than ever to serve up Indiana’s best alcohol-free shopping experience. Tune in to hear more!

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Deb:

Buckle up, friends, and welcome to the Thriving Alcohol-Free Podcast. I'm your host, deb, otherwise known as Mocktail Mom, a retired wine drinker that finally got sick and tired of spinning on life's broken record called Detox to Retox. Let this podcast be an encouragement to you. If alcohol is maybe a form of self-care for you, where you find yourself dragging through the day waiting to pour another glass, I am excited to share with you the fun of discovering new things to drink when you aren't drinking and the joy of waking up each day without a hangover. It is an honor to serve as your sober, fun guide. So sit back and relax or keep doing whatever it is you're doing. This show is produced for you with love from the great state of Kentucky. Thanks so much for being here and big time cheers. Okay, guys, we have such a special show today. I'm so excited.

Deb:

I had Kristin Patrick and Andee Simpson. They're the co-founders of Loren's Alcohol-Free Beverage and Distribution outside Indianapolis, in the Indianapolis area, in Carmel, indiana, and I just wanted to read you their bios before we get started today so you can know a little bit about them before you hear our interview. I had such a delightful time speaking to them. I cannot wait to meet them when I go up to their shop in January for a dry January and to share about my book, the Happiest Hour. So very exciting. I did want to mention we had a little tech trouble at the very end and one thing that the ladies had mentioned to me was that they have a quiz on their website, lorensafcom, and it's Loren L-O-R-E-N-S-A-Fcom. This quiz will be in the show notes, but I wanted to mention it to you because if you're looking for a non-alcoholic wine, which many of you are looking for, like what's a good alcohol-free wine for me, they actually will coach you through the shelves when you go into their stores. If you're not local to them, go to their website and take the wine quiz, find your wine, because they built a little quiz for you just to help you figure out what's the best non-alcoholic wine for you.

Deb:

So let me tell you about the ladies and then we're gonna get into the episode. Okay, sound like fun. Here we go. Kristin Patrick, she's co-founder, as I mentioned, of Loren's Alcohol-Free Beverages and Distribution. She also freelances as a digital learning consultant, helping educators and small business owners build accessible, outcome-based learning modules. She's a fiction reader and longtime advocate for schools and public libraries and independent bookstores. So that's Kristin, and then her sister, Andee Simpson. She's passionate about amplifying the work of other women-owned businesses. She finds joy in leadership, development, art-based wellness and a beautiful glass of alcohol-removed Cabernet Sauvignon.

Deb:

So I hope you love this episode. It was a delight to meet the ladies. We have been messaging each other, cheering each other on on Instagram for several not several a couple of years now since we've all been in this alcohol-free, sober, curious space on Instagram, and couple of years now since we've all been in this alcohol-free, sober, curious space on Instagram and it's been really fun to be connected to them. I can't wait to meet in person, but to be able to do this episode today, screen to screen, was really really fun. So I hope you love it. I hope you love meeting them and I hope you'll go find the best alcohol-free wine for you on their website. We'll see you guys in a little bit here.

Deb:

Okay, hey friends, it's Deb. Welcome back to Thriving Alcohol-Free. I am so excited. I feel like I have neighbors practical neighbors. They're right up the road. The founders of Loren's AF, Andee, Andee Simpson, kristin Patrick, are in the house with us today. We have two guests, two. Thanks for having us.

Deb:

Oh my gosh, I'm so happy you guys are here. I am so, so, so happy to meet you. Okay, this is so funny, though, because I'm in Kentucky Literally, I'm like an hour and a half down the road from you guys, and I love to stay home. So we've never met. It's terrible. I was I will say this, though I was in Carmel, but it't a good day. The one day yes, yeah, the only day, the only day is when I was actually not too far away, but otherwise, I am coming up in January.

Deb:

I cannot wait to meet you guys, and I am so excited to have you guys here because you're the second non-alcoholic bottle shop in the whole state of Indiana. So go Hoosiers and just love what you guys are doing. I've been following you from the very, very, very beginning. I remember when your shop was about to open, so I want to hear your whole story. I want to hear how you guys got started and how you co-founded this as sisters, co-founding a non-alcoholic bottle shop Incredible, kristen. Do you want to start? Do you want to share your story? How you all, how you guys, got here?

Kristin:

I'd love to. So Andee and I both committed to being alcohol free in 2021. And we're very open that it didn't happen overnight, that it took some time for both of us to get there, but that was the year where we were. We were 100% in, committed and, you know, haven't looked back. As you know, when people choose alcohol free, they become sort of like these disciples, right Like it. You've become so excited about this lifestyle choice and you, you know, enjoying these, these benefits, and Andy and I knew we wanted to do like a project about alcohol free.

Kristin:

Andy and I love a good project. We we joke that we are very like project oriented people. So we had thrown around some ideas, but we had stumbled around this concept of alcohol freefree bottle shops January of 2022. And it was a magazine article, vogue magazine and I showed it to Andee and Andee, this is cool, like this idea of having a store, and Andee and I had always wanted to have a store. We just didn't know quite what it would be. Andee, who's the visionary of the two, instantly was like let's do it Done. Oh my gosh, it's happening On the phone with the commercial real estate agent, like that afternoon.

Andee:

I was ready, and I'm the one who's like whoa, whoa let's put a pin in this.

Kristin:

Let's hold the phone. How about? Maybe? Just let's think about it? But Andee, right away, saw the possibility. She knew that's what we should do. So finding space in Hamilton County, where we are on the north side of Indianapolis, was quite a challenge. Again, we're in a very growing area of the state growing area of the Midwest, and so it took some time to find a spot. So let's see, I think we signed a lease June 1st of 2022 and then launched our website July 1st of 2022 and then opened our first retail store in August of 2022. So we get it, rob. He beat us, but I do think we were planning right around the same time, but yes, his doors did open for us.

Deb:

Oh, my word, I love it Okay. So, yes, andy's like okay, let's do it and let's get on the fast track of making this happen as soon as possible. Incredible, how has it been?

Andee:

How was it from that like when you first opened to now Now, well, two and a half, almost three years later, right, two and a half years later I thought from the very beginning, absolutely From when Kristin and I found out about this concept of going alcohol-free and all of these products I didn't realize how many were on the market and I thought we were really going to be grinding our gears and priming the pump. When we opened the store, I thought we were going to be all about consumer education, product knowledge. But people were ready from day one and I was so surprised and so excited about how supportive everybody was and just from the very beginning people were really ready and as excited as we were. So it was really fun to see and it's just been so fun getting to know our customers and our clients. It was such an unexpected thing to get to know the people that shop at our shop, because just from the beginning everybody's been awesome.

Deb:

And you didn't expect to really know them.

Kristin:

Yeah, yes, so we've really done this all on very limited marketing dollars Just from the beginning everybody's been awesome and you didn't expect to really know them.

Kristin:

Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah. So we've really done this all on very limited marketing dollars. A lot of our most of this has been word of mouth, which has been, again, testament to amazing customers, and we've just had a really kind of great press run in the last two years between Indianapolis Monthly, indianapolis Star, local TV stations, even just community magazines, wanting to do stories and talk to us. That has also helped us spread the word. We're incredibly grateful.

Deb:

Amazing, amazing, yeah, the whole movement has changed so much, right, just? In a few years, right? I'm sure probably the products have changed. What you have available to bring into the shop, how do you decide? How do you decide what you're bringing in Because you have limited space, right? You don't have a Costco-sized warehouse over there, do you we? Actually have too much room.

Andee:

We do have a lot of room.

Kristin:

Okay, so part of our story is again. Finding space where we are on the north side of Indianapolis was very challenging and we ended up with a much larger space than we actually needed. But it's great because we've been able to kind of slowly creep the store back as we add inventory and grow. But I'll let Andee speak to buying.

Andee:

So in the last year and a half we've taken on a wholesale distribution side of the business. So as far as bringing in some pallets, bringing in some real wholesale, we've got space. So our first store, our headquarters store, is very long and narrow. And then our second store is a little more boutique-y and small. But size has not been an issue. We were overwhelmed with what to do with the size and that's why we're laughing, it's because it is kind of on the larger side. But Kristin has really made it work. It's so cute. We've got a little velvet couch in each one to show that their sister store is kind of like we're sisters and it's a fun place to come and feel like you're having a special experience.

Deb:

I love it. I love it. How do you keep it family friendly? How do you keep the shops family friendly?

Kristin:

Well, that was something really important to us because, again, a lot of people choose to live where we live again because of the schools, the sports, the parks, right that's like, that's a very beautiful, that's where people move here to to start a family, and we knew that if we want to disrupt toxic mommy wine culture, that moms need to be able to bring their kids in.

Kristin:

You know we're all operating at 100 miles per hour. If mom or dad is going to find time to make alcohol-free drinks part of their toolkit, they got to be able to haul the kids inside and we love it. One of our stores is next to a very popular brunch spot. Our other store is next to an ice cream a very popular ice cream store. Other store is next to an ice cream a very popular ice cream store. And so we embrace kids. We have stickers, we have erasers. We still get messages like is it okay? Is it okay Absolutely? And so, yes, we see quite a few kids throughout the week and that's important to us.

Andee:

I would even go as far as to say I have no interest in owning a business that you couldn't bring your kids in or you would feel strange about bringing your kids in. It's that important to us that it's a family affair and it's celebratory and it's fun and it's different and there's truly something for everyone.

Kristin:

So we think about that in terms of like packaging and design, the way we set up our space, like, okay, would I feel comfortable bringing kids in here Now, as far as like older kids, you know, hopefully maybe even start a conversation, I don't know. But yes, we sit, we. We were for all ages.

Deb:

Like I love stickers. I'm I'm 52. We love stickers. I have mocktail mom stickers. I'm coming, coming in January. I would like a sticker pack, please, Absolutely.

Andee:

That would be. I need to do a sticker pack.

Deb:

That would be a really actually not stickers, but like you could do such cute reels Like a passport. Yeah, a little passport.

Andee:

Yeah, yeah, we'll make you a passport.

Deb:

Yes, we need a passport. Yes, you got to try all the drinks and stuff. But, yeah, my younger daughter is 17 and she's made these mocktails with me since I stopped drinking very beginning well, very end of 2020, but really 2021. And it's been so fun for it to be a family. I'm not hiding that I'm pouring another glass of wine. I'm not embarrassed. It's like, no, let's make something. Oh, let's try this one. And it's been so fun. The adventure of non-alcoholic options, I don't know, there's something, like you said, said a celebratory.

Kristin:

If you go to our website, laurensafcom, you can see we have all these collections where you know products group together and one of them is family friendly. So we have the root beers, the we're big fans of Bollygood, you know sparkling lemonades and limeades the founder, maxine, lives close to us Toast we also market toast as a family-friendly drink, you know that being a sparkling tea, and so when people do ask us like hey, we're bringing everyone together for Thanksgiving, we want something where everyone can toast, then we're able to kind of pull those you know, point them to a couple of specific products.

Deb:

Amazing, okay. So yes, you mentioned the website. It's super search-friendly. Are you website developers? Is that what your background is?

Andee:

No, Kristin, kristin's the tech genius, did you?

Deb:

celebrate 10,000 orders. Is that right? Did I see that right? Are you like back?

Andee:

in March. That's all Kristin.

Deb:

Yes, that's incredible.

Kristin:

No, most of that is in person. So Shopify has been a big. The register's ringing.

Deb:

Yeah, the register's ringing. That's all that matters, right? So?

Kristin:

again, we like to think that we've created this irresistible experience. You know, our mantra is surprise and delight. Where again we're going to coach you through the shelves? We're going to provide samples that people do want to come in person. They want to see what's new on the shelves, but we do. Also, we deliver within central Indiana and then we do local pickup orders. But thank you for recognizing the 10,000 mark. That's huge, it's huge.

Deb:

It's huge. I mean, okay, what was it like? Cause I have Shopify and I love when I don't know if you have it set up or like at least the online orders. I don't know how it is when you're in store, but it, like it makes that little register sound, you know, like if somebody buys a mocktail or a sweatshirt. It's like it makes me so excited.

Kristin:

It's a dopamine hit.

Andee:

Yes, for sure it will never, ever, ever get old, I'm never turning off.

Deb:

That's the only notification I have on. I like it. I don't want to know anything else, but I do like that sound Okay. So what was it like when you're your first sale, like the first day, and the registers were like you're ringing up orders Were you freaking out?

Andee:

be one of the happiest days of my life Just building this business with my sister, the community that came out and just the excitement and maybe the curiosity, but also just the willingness to try and to be open. So many people when they started were just open-minded A lot of us, I mean. We're still discovering new beverages and things to drink and Chris and I are lucky to get to sample a lot of products and we are all kind of in this together and it's just been so fun from day one. But that first day I'll never forget it.

Deb:

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Deb:

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Andee:

Yes, do Other sisters, is it?

Kristin:

just the two of you, it's just us, okay, okay.

Deb:

I come from a family of three girls, yeah, yeah.

Kristin:

Yeah, so you guys super close with your dad we were, and we lost him sort of in the kind of at the beginning of this retail store journey. But something that we have on the horizon right now is a rebrand. Not that we still don't want, you know, we adored our father, but again we're just, we want to think differently about even including more people, just a name and branding and freshening up. So that's what's coming soon, right before the holiday. It's a rebrand.

Deb:

I did not know that. Okay, I didn't know that.

Andee:

And you know what? It was kind of sparked from a couple weird instances we have about the term AF, where maybe outside of the AF community people don't really, maybe AF isn't so clear to everybody. And so just after a couple of situations we just decided maybe we're ready to cast a wider net into more of the wellness world. So a name that's just really fun and cheerful and like Kristin and I, but also sort of this branding and this wellness and kind of this concept of making it part of your wellness routine as you're reaching your health goals and your wellness goals. It's a key ingredient your wellness goals.

Kristin:

It's a key ingredient. Something we didn't anticipate when we opened was people scrutinizing the labels in terms of looking at sugar carbs, artificial sweeteners. They are customer-based. That's our customer profile. They look very closely at that and that's something that we didn't necessarily anticipate but plan to lean into.

Deb:

That's great, that's great. Yeah, everybody's reading labels, especially if you're removing alcohol for health reasons or just to be healthy. You're like you don't want to do yoga and then go have a glass of wine, so it's like your customers are definitely reading labels a lot more right 100%.

Andee:

Yes, that really surprised me. But if they're going to be drinking something and they're making a healthy choice, it better be in that health sort of category. Yeah, not point blank. Yeah, they're serious and I appreciate that. Oh, that's so good.

Deb:

Okay, I'm super excited for this rebrand. I had no idea that was changing. There was a change happening. Do you find most customers are sober, or do you find they're sober curious? Or do you find it's just like? Like they're a zebra drinker, where maybe they'll have cocktails and they'll have mocktails? You know, they'll have non-alcoholic options as well. What's your customer?

Kristin:

base, like, overwhelmingly, our customers still do drink alcohol, yeah, which is yeah, and that's probably typical of probably other bottle shops, and most of them are looking to cut back on weeknight drinking Yep, yep. To cut back on weeknight drinking, yep, yep. And so we were very especially proud of our wine shelves that we've curated over the last two years. A lot of people come in looking, you know zero, you know focused on wine, cause again, that's part of their weeknight ritual and they're looking to change it back. Or we hear a lot of people where they're cutting back on the week day but maybe still drinking alcohol on the weekend, and that's where we do some some coaching. Right, where they come in, they come laser, focused on wine.

Kristin:

Usually it's like tell me more, tell me more about that, are you cutting back, are you cutting out? And kind of, you know, based on how that we can sort of guide them because we want people to be happy, right? You know very well that you know it's not. It's not going to taste exactly the same, right? You know very well that you know it's not. It's not going to taste exactly the same, right, it's the same. You know whether it's like a gluten-free pizza or a low fat cake. Right, it's about the experience. It's not going to be exactly the same and so making sure that people know what they're they're getting. We want people to leave happy. You know we give honest reviews of what we think of products, of what other customers think of products. So wine takes some time, but we're very proud of our wine shelves.

Deb:

It's so interesting. Okay, that was the very first non-alcoholic product I bought. I mean obviously besides like a Pepsi or whatever. But when I stopped drinking it was like, okay, I went to Total Wine here in Louisville and I bought a non-alcoholic wine because I was like I still wanted to have my wine that night. I wasn't interested in really making a mocktail, I was like I just wanted to still have my wine, but I wanted to change. I didn't want to wake up with a hangover.

Deb:

So very interesting it was. I think it was Ariel. I think it was Ariel, oh, chardonnay maybe, because I was typically a Chardonnay drinker. So, yeah, I have the receipt. I'm pretty sure it was the Ariel. Do you? I never save receipts?

Andee:

We carry Ariel because that is kind of a brand that people have gotten comfortable with and recognize. I remember I'm very similar to you that it had been about a year and a half after I had stopped drinking and I had a glass of hand-on-heart Cabernet Sauvignon and I was amazed the tobacco notes and the blackberry notes. I thought it was the most beautiful glass of wine. I mean, it was incredible. But also I love red wines and I had not drank for almost two years at that point. So we just have to be very conscious about that zebra lifestyle. When was the last time you had a wine with alcohol versus a wine without alcohol, and just really asking questions, getting to know your client and seeing where they are before you go straight for the Reds even?

Kristin:

Right, we have customers.

Andee:

The Reds are my favorite.

Kristin:

I know we have customers who have wine cellars, who go to Napa regularly, who you know, the Opus, the Cayman right. So, like we, have to.

Deb:

Can I buy that two buck chuck? This is not for customers, right?

Kristin:

No, no. And so, again, we want to be very clear that this is what to expect, and we love our wines and we want to change that language around. Yes, they taste lovely. Do they taste exactly the same? No, but they're lovely and they're good, and this dichotomy of it if it doesn't taste exactly like alcohol, then it's bad. Well, no, it's good, it just doesn't taste the same. Yep, yep.

Andee:

But now to have a glass of Julius, to have a glass of French Balloon, I mean that is really like a beautiful evening experience for me. There's so many good quality, award-winning wines that exist right now. Sometimes you might need to kiss a few frogs to get to the one that you love Exactly, and I think that there is a wine out there for everybody and you've got to hang in there just like probably a regular alcohol shop Exactly. But there is something for everybody and there's a lot that I really, really love. So I think it's exciting.

Deb:

Have you guys tried Zeronimo? I just tried that. If you like the red Leonis or something, I can't remember the name.

Kristin:

I never, heard of it.

Andee:

We haven't tried it yet. We've heard of it.

Deb:

Oh, you're going to go crazy. Yeah, you're going to go crazy. You'll love the red blend. It's so good yeah.

Andee:

I love the joyous red blend or the joyous cab too, and the Sobeys reds, oh God, sobeys, delicious, joyous, yes, sobeys no-transcript. I like to use the lavender bitters in the rosés. I like to use New Orleans in the reds. Yep, you know. There's just so many things that you can do.

Deb:

To enhance. Sorry, I just want to keep talking about the wines, but they're great. That's so important. Yeah, it's so important. Yeah, I'm turning around because I have my little, all the bitter. I have my little purse pack, your travel pack, a little travel pack, yes, Do you keep it in your purse?

Andee:

Not all the time.

Deb:

I always have a chapstick, though, that's for sure.

Andee:

But I love it it makes everything better. Yes, yeah, I put the lavender and seltzer just to drink. It's so good. I love the lavender.

Deb:

No, I think that's so good, managing expectations. I love what you said, kristen Coaching, that you coach your customers through the shelves. Yes, what a different experience to come to your shop than, like me, wandering around Total Wine, like what am I? What is this? What I don't know, you know, try, try, try. So it's so worth it to come to a destination location, like you guys have, and get educated on what you're purchasing, because many of them are not. They're not cheap. These are not two buck check that we're buying.

Kristin:

Well, and I think also something we didn't think about was okay. So we knew we were going to have pregnant people was going to be a segment, right, we knew that. But what we didn't think about, okay, all the people trying to get pregnant right, and that's a whole other. Then people who are pregnant but don't want to tell their family and their friends that they're pregnant right, and then just yesterday I had someone who's breastfeeding. So then it's like we have all these these groups beyond pregnant people. So for some of them they just want to get through this stretch, right, and so sometimes that's a different answer, you know provide matching them with a drink sometimes different than matching someone who's looking long term to cutting out alcohol, like they just want to get through the next couple months, right, and so the more information that they can share, the better we can match them with the wine.

Deb:

That's awesome, okay. Do you do wine tastings? Do you ever do like little wine? I'm sorry, I'm putting you on the spot. I'm asking you this. No, no, that's okay.

Kristin:

We do. We used to have more of a habit of having wines open on the weekends because people were so curious, yeah. But also people arrive at our stores very focused on what they have in mind, what they want to buy, and they're not necessarily susceptible to impulse purchases. And so you know they they might sample it and say, oh, that was nice, that was lovely. But really I'm here to you know, I'm here to get my functional drink or my athletic, and so I don't know. We try to be strategic about when. We'll have a lot of wines open between Thanksgiving and the New Year, for sure.

Deb:

That's what everybody wants to buy. Yeah, that's the perfect time. Okay, so good. So this will come out right around that time. So come on in Either way, no matter what month you're listening to this. If you're listening to this months and months later, stop by Loren's AF, for sure Two locations of what you guys have. So you're in West Clay Village, is that what it's called? West Clay Village?

Kristin:

On the west side of Carmel, the village of West Clay. The village of West Clay.

Deb:

Okay, yeah. So I was going to ask you about your plans for the future, but it sounds like there's major plans going on right now. What motivates you guys to keep going, keep growing?

Andee:

I think the clientele, people coming in and sharing their story or what they're going through. And when we started, people would ask me about going sober a lot and it would just make me so uncomfortable to talk about and I'd shy away from it all I could. But after talking to Kristin I think we kind of decided yeah, it is helpful to talk about, and Kristin and I don't drink anymore and it totally changed my life for the better in magical ways. I couldn't have foreseen at all and I love talking to people at any point in their journey and I think that really motivates me.

Kristin:

Well, and connecting with other female founders. So, andee, she worked us through the application process to become certified women business enterprise with the Cindy of Indianapolis, which was a huge accomplishment. We're really proud of that certification, and just even connecting with other female founders and collaborating with them has brought us a lot of joy.

Deb:

Amazing. Okay, I love your all story. I cannot wait to meet you. I cannot wait to come up there. I love what you're doing. I love being connected on social media. I appreciate you guys cheering me on. I'm cheering you on. I'm so happy for just the space that you've provided for so many people to come in to shop, shop online, get answers, and to shop with a coach. Shop with a coach wherever you are Pregnant, wanting to get pregnant, sober, curious, not wanting to drink on the weekdays. You know this is the place for you. So, indiana's best you guys, thank you. Thank you for being here today. Big time cheers to you for tuning in to the Thriving Alcohol-Free Podcast. I hope you will take something from today's episode and make one small change that will help you to thrive and have fun in life without alcohol. If you enjoyed this episode and you'd like to help support the podcast, please share it with others, post about it on social, send up a flare or leave a rating and a review. I am cheering for you as you discover the next episode.