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Ep. 113 From Wine Industry to Sobriety Coach, Meet Ruby Williams

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Ruby Williams shares her transformative journey from working in the wine industry while drinking three bottles a day to becoming a sober coach helping others find freedom from alcohol dependence.

• Struggled with disordered eating from a young age as her first coping mechanism
• Underwent bariatric surgery, which unexpectedly transferred her addiction to alcohol
• Worked in the wine industry, where drinking was normalized and celebrated daily
• Found The Naked Mind book by Annie Grace, which provided the science and mindset shift needed
• Transitioned from wine industry to becoming a certified coach
• Uses monk fruit as a sugar substitute when making mocktails
• Recommends allowing sugar cravings during early sobriety before addressing them
• Found community and connection essential in breaking free from isolation
• Emphasizes the importance of self-compassion in recovery
• Now coaches others one-on-one and in groups to find freedom from alcohol

Connect with Ruby on Instagram @RubyWilliamsCoaching or her website, RubyWilliamsCoaching.com

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Introduction to Ruby Williams

Speaker 1

She recommended Annie Grace's book , the Sneaked Mind , and that was the book that was life-changing , really can change your mindset , change your . We call it rewiring the brain and learning to feel your feelings . It's kind of those two things are happening and then you can live a life where alcohol is just irrelevant . I didn't know that there was these communities that are out there now , or maybe they didn't really . I thought there was only AA . I didn't really like resonate with AA or rehab .

Speaker 2

Okay , hey friends , it's Deb . Welcome back to Thriving Alcohol-Free . How are you so happy that you are here ? We have a very special guest today , ruby Williams . She is a sober coach , ruby . How are you You're ?

Speaker 1

many things . I'm going to read your bio , but how are you ? I'm doing really well . Thank you for having me on , Deb . I'm so excited to have this conversation with you .

Speaker 2

I am really , really happy you and I met when we've connected on Instagram and then we met because I was a guest on your podcast . It seems like our podcasts are going to come out at the exact same time , so this has been so fun . Your Instagram handle is at Ruby Williams coaching , so make sure everybody's following you if they're not following you . But I'll read your bio and then I want to hear your story and how you got into this space and the journey of becoming alcohol free . So all right , here we go , friends .

Speaker 2

Ruby is a certified naked mind senior coach on a mission to help those rethinking their relationship with alcohol . Living in Northern California wine country , she drank daily to cope with a stressful corporate job in the alcohol industry and the challenges of single motherhood , and she used food and alcohol to cope with the stress After weight loss surgery . Her disordered eating transferred to alcohol misuse . At age 49 in 2019 was the turning point in her journey to freedom from alcohol . Amazing Ruby helps her clients create profound mind shifts during sessions that can shrink the role of alcohol in their lives . Despite drinking every day to manage stress , she found freedom and was empowered to lose weight , get healthy and achieve some lifetime goals . I just got chills , oh my gosh . Ruby can help you reach a more fulfilling , healthy and balanced life free from relying on alcohol . Now , five plus years alcohol-free . She combines personal experience , self-compassion and evidence-based strategies to empower others as co-host of Feel Lit Alcohol-Free Podcast . Okay , so let's hear about how you got here to this place , yeah .

Speaker 1

So well for many well and thank you again . But many women , I think , when the more I get like meet people and my story is not it's very common like by disordered eating or I don't know what the right PC thing to say is , but I would eat to numb emotions that started early , like probably that was my first coping tool , probably very young , definitely kind of got weird like in junior high and high school when we want to look skinny or whatever .

Speaker 1

And so you know the diets and um , but so I would say , like my first addiction was was food , um , and that I would just eat to numb . Lots of diets you know , like , like Weight Watchers Jenny Craig , you name it . It like you of the one where you um drinks lemonade , oh that's . Do you remember the lemonade one ? For a whole week , I think , I had only lemonade and maple syrup , like what's the weirdest yeah , that was like a bad yeah yeah , yeah , I've tried , like the cabbage soup diet , the whole 30 diet

From Disordered Eating to Alcohol Dependence

Speaker 1

you name it diet , so that's the word .

Speaker 1

But what the thing is is I remember with , like Jenny Craig , I got to my goal weight and then what you're off of it anyway , and then stress happens , so my weight would go I'm not I'm not kidding you up like a hundred pounds and down a hundred pounds , like it was a lot . But I went through . In what year was that ? 2007, ? 8 , you know , when the home crisis happened , I went through a home foreclosure , custody battle with my ex-husband , the same time as my job got super stressful as a single mom and I gained over 100 pounds fairly quickly , I decided to have weight loss surgery , bariatric surgery . You know , there's the solution . I was always like wanting a quick fix , so just cut part of my stomach away . The thing is and if you let your listeners out that have had weight loss surgery , it's so interesting I haven't changed my mindset they don't give you like therapy or they cut away part of your stomach and , yes , you lose the weight because you cannot physically eat very much food . You're eating like a quarter cup of food , but you can drink liquids , you could drink alcohol and so it can be like called a transfer addiction . But yeah , I basically started drinking alcohol and it just was affected differently in my body . It was so interesting , like I used to just could take it or leave it .

Speaker 1

I was definitely on the trajectory , working in the wine industry , to like having alcohol use disorder , but having the surgeries just sped it up completely and it was like a rush because it goes right to your bloodstream . Instead of spending , you know , alcohol spending time in your stomach , it just went right to my bloodstream . That kind of buzz or euphoric feeling was quick , but then it went away quick . That kind of buzz or euphoric feeling was quick , but then it went away quick , like really fast , like within minutes . I was like didn't feel , like nothing , so I would have another drink . So that kind of like ramp up to drinking more and more and more happened quite quickly and it's scary . It was scary , it was scaring me because I went from a couple of glasses to a bottle , to two bottles , to more than two , to probably three bottles . Then it switched to hard alcohol . Then it was going earlier and earlier in the day and it just was scaring me so much . But okay so , but I was working in the wine industry , as you were saying , so I worked for like- .

Speaker 2

So cute .

Speaker 1

Ruby , I just your whole face . You're like okay .

Speaker 2

Yeah , okay , everybody's just listening . You just can't imagine how sweet Ruby's face is . Oh , you're so sweet .

Speaker 1

But yeah , so I grew up in the wine . You know my stepdad's a winemaker Grew up , you know , in the wine country Wine is . We talked about wine like it was like a living thing and it was very , you know , it's like romanticized and I grew up with all of that and then I ended up working in the wine industry and it's like a super fun industry , right . Like you know , we could drink .

Speaker 1

We would drink in the morning for lunch . You could go out to lunch with your boss and be drinking a lot . We would drink in the afternoons . We'd drink after work . I mean it's kind of crazy how much that the alcohol industry drinks and then everybody's drinking the same or more , so it's just normalized .

Speaker 2

You feel like it's just yeah , this is what everybody's doing . This is what everybody's doing , yeah .

Speaker 1

Yeah , yeah , so , yeah . So what happened was , at least in the company I was working for , they got rid of and let go of the people that had worked there for 20 years or longer , kind of all at once . And I was I'd been there more than 20 years or 20 years , but it was the best gift . I was super . It was because I had tried for probably seven years on my own , thinking I was so alone . I didn't know that there was these communities that are out there now , or maybe they didn't really . I thought there was only AA . I didn't really like resonate with AA or rehab , but I tried rules and like , okay , I'll buy the half bottles of wine . Well then , you just need a bunch of half bottles of wine

Working in the Wine Industry

Speaker 1

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Speaker 2

So true , right , we all figure out a way . We figure out a way to navigate our rules , don't we ? But to still get the wine or the alcohol we were . Yeah , yeah , okay , I'll buy the half bottles .

Speaker 1

So I tried for about seven years all these different rules . I even tried , like naltrexone , the Sinclair method , because again I want , like this , quick fix . How can I become a normal drinker again ? But the gift was that they let me go and I actually they gave me severance so I could take some time . My number one goal was , like I want to figure out how to get alcohol free . I probably didn't word it like that . I was just like I got to understand my , my heart was hurting , my liver was hurting , I was just not sleeping . I gained , oh , I gained , sorry , I gained the weight back , just not sleeping , knew my , I gained , oh , I gained , sorry , I gained the weight back almost all of it like 80 pounds back .

Speaker 1

I lost about surgery . Yeah , I gained it back because I wasn't . You know , how do you hear of some people that like they drink and then they don't eat ? Well , I would drink and eat more , sure , yeah , yeah , I feel like , yeah , when I drank , it would like turn on .

Speaker 2

It was like something turned on my brain . I was like , okay , what snacks are in this house now I need to eat , I need to start eating . Yeah , right , yeah , turned on . And this brain . I was like , okay , what snacks are in this house Now , I need to eat , I need to start eating . Yeah , yeah , turned on .

Speaker 1

And this lay on the couch and watch Netflix .

Speaker 2

Oh yeah .

Speaker 1

And then not remember when I watched Yep , but it got so scary I don't know if your listeners can understand this too , but I would have cycles . So this is where it gets to and this is how I understand people like waking up and doing it Like I would on the . I would try to drink as early as I could , but get my stuff done , get the chores done , get this . You know , I get the stuff basics done and then I would start drinking . It would be cycles . I would drink as much as I could pass out , maybe sleep for an hour and do it again , pass out , do it again . My , you know it was really scary , yeah . But anyway , back to my alcohol rejurdy , alcohol re journey . So I did what was called the Holly Whitaker Hip Sobriety School . Okay , I've never heard of it . Okay , yeah , she now has Tempest , or it was changed to Tempest , okay .

Speaker 1

And then in there that she recommended Annie Grace's book , the Sneaked Mind , and that was the book that was life-changing , my catalyst really . I remember the first introduction . Annie says in her book it's 3.33 in the morning . I'm laying there awake , beating myself up , worrying about my health , and I just was like that's what I do every night . You mean there's other people on the planet that do this . Like I thought I was so alone . And then the science and like understanding instead of like alcohol is good for your heart and heart healthy , no , like I learned the truth about the science of your brain and your body .

Speaker 1

And then I actually did do Kaiser outpatient rehab , I did medical therapy , I did AA , I did everything I could . I read every booklet , book I could . I just put my entire life into this because I wanted to feel better . Yeah , and then when I was about nine months alcohol free , I said I want to help other people , other women , mainly women and I would love to help people that have bariatric surgery or women that are just like me that resonate with me , maybe a divorced , you know , single mom . I had that empty nest thing that happened to me and just that corporate job that's really stressful . And then you add weight loss surgery to it and then I help people like lose weight too .

Speaker 2

So I went through a divorce . Single mom life it is so stressful . I mean it is so stressful , my drinking definitely . Well , that's when it really took off was my girls would go to their dads for the weekend and it was like , okay , now it's me and Chardonnay and we can have a great party weekend here . So , yeah , yeah , I think it's so fantastic that you're helping women in that space , because it's very , very challenging .

Speaker 1

It's very stressful . Yeah , I really didn't think I could do it , but if I can do it .

Speaker 1

I mean , I think anybody can do it . Like what's the phrase ? Old dogs can learn new tricks Like you really can change your mindset , change your . We call it rewiring the brain and learning to feel your feelings

The Journey to Alcohol Freedom

Speaker 1

. It's kind of those two things are happening and then you can live a life where alcohol is just irrelevant , it doesn't matter . Yes , it's everywhere . I see it still everywhere Parties , holidays , vacation I see it everywhere . Baby showers , funeral . I mean it's everywhere .

Speaker 2

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Speaker 1

But I don't have any desire for it , I don't want it .

Speaker 2

Okay . So like you could not have imagined this right now , like you could not have imagined not wanting it , being in a party and not Imagine it , yeah same .

Speaker 1

It was my identity . So maybe other people feel this way too . But especially if you work in like the wine industry , alcohol industry , like that was my identity . I was Ruby working in the wine industry , like they were . They were intertwined , it was part of who I was . So that took many , many , many months , maybe a whole year , to like detangle myself from Ruby working in the wine industry . I found a job in another industry . Then I took a coach training and became a certified coach . Then I started my own business . Then I was able to slowly work less and less at my corporate job and now I'm a full time coach and it just brings me so much joy to see people change their lives , literally . Some people are in the deepest , darkest , like I was too . It feels like a deep dark hole of despair . Now I'm up in the lightness of . It almost is like a spiritual journey too for me in that from going to such a deep , dark place to like there's so much possibility in life now instead of I'm gonna like die young .

Speaker 1

Probably I would have yep yep , and what one thing that really really got me was like I want to be a grandmother , even though my son's he's 27 but he's not married or having kids yet . But I want to be a grandmother that's vibrant and lays with their grandchildren , and all I could see was like this picture of myself getting bigger and unhealthy and laying on a couch and like being well , I did have a great uncle , my mom's uncle , who was what we called an alcoholic , you know back then , and he just laid on the couch and watched TV and like I thought that's what was going to happen to me . There's just so much life there . You know I'm 55 now . Okay , and I have a funny story for you , or a cool story . Yeah , my grandfather is 105 . So I'm half his age , so I have a whole nother lifetime to live alcohol free . Wow , wow , yeah , that's incredible . And if I kept going on that trajectory where I was drinking three bottles and then hard alcohol like I probably would have not even been alive by now .

Speaker 1

Maybe , my aunt had had bariatric surgery and she ended up passing away from from liver failure within like five years of her surgery . So this is a serious , serious problem . If you have had weight loss surgery , I really would love to talk to you . It's quite a serious thing , wow .

Speaker 2

OK , I cannot believe that your grandpa is . He's 105 .

Speaker 1

I'll have to share a picture with you . He's such an adorable , I cannot believe that your grandpa is . He's 105 . I'll have to share a picture with you . He's such an adorable , I cannot believe that that is amazing .

Speaker 2

Still going strong , oh my gosh . But no , what you said just about like being . You know , one day , when you're a grandma and like that , you want to be vibrant and be , you know , be able to play with your grandkids and not be asleep on the couch . You know , I know that resonates a lot with with my listeners , some of my listeners who are , who are our age . You know , I'm 53 and just like I want to be able to play with my grandkids and be aware of my own life . You know , not be zoned out . So , yeah , ok .

Speaker 2

So when you switched careers and you went from that identity of like Ruby in the wine , in the alcohol industry , and now you're walking into a party with like all your friends from you know your life , who know you as Ruby in the wine industry , how did you , how did you , walk into a party and not have them hand you a glass of wine or like , hey , oh , she's here , here , get her the

Navigating Social Situations Alcohol-Free

Speaker 2

red , she likes the red . How do you navigate that Cause ? I know there's people who listen , who are like brand new on their alcohol-free journey , and going out can be so overwhelming and it can be debilitating . You know , like how am I going to navigate this ?

Speaker 1

Yeah , I think , for I'll just share what I did . From early on , I was very careful with where I went out . I protected my sobriety , I protected my alcohol-free journey and I actually didn't go out as much . To tell you , the honest at first and then which is a big part of my story is I found a keto diet Okay , great , just alcohol-free and sugar-free , amazing . And so that was my little excuse that I used I would go over to a friend's house , or I didn't , because I wasn't ready to share . Yep , it felt very shameful . Now I scream it from the rooftops .

Speaker 1

Obviously I'm doing it here on a podcast , but , like I was , it took a while to like share that . So for me it was about health . I just would tell my parents , my family , my friends I'm on a keto diet . There's no alcohol , no sugar . I'm really serious about this because I want to lose the weight again and get healthy . And it wasn't foolproof , because I remember my aunt saying like , well , you can just have one glass right , or the vodka doesn't have calories , you can have vodka right . And I would be like , no , I'm very serious . But my trick is that I tell clients and that I'm going to share with your listeners is just to have another drink in your hand at all times , whether that's a can of sparkling soda , or you come making a mocktail like I love your recipes or coffee if it's earlier in the day , like just have something in your hand . I remember going to my grandmother's funeral and knowing that there's lots of alcoholic funerals and I just had my Starbucks cup and it was empty , but I just grabbed it .

Speaker 2

It's almost like a security blanket , isn't it Like ? It's like a little , and it's almost like a little power thing too , because people then don't ask you what do you want to drink . They don't ask you , and that's . That's that challenge , Like , what do I say when they say what can I get you to drink ? Oh , you don't have a drink here , let me get you something .

Speaker 1

They hand it to you and you're like , oh my gosh , you're holding it . Now I would come . I put a couple of La Croix's in my purse . My favorite mocktail because I'm sugar-free is just like sparkling water lime and maybe some unsweetened cranberry juice . It's like I love it , perfect . I tried some of the AF wines and , I'll be honest , I haven't found very many that I liked .

Speaker 1

Okay . Okay . I found some sparkling non-alcoholic , you know , sparkling . That I think is pretty good , but it's been challenging . But what's been fun is making mocktails . I do that with my sister-in-law .

Speaker 2

We made different mocktails Again , mine She'll put all the sugar , yeah , but you have sugar-free , which there's tons of options now , do you use , like I'll use , a monk fruit simple syrup ?

Speaker 1

Yeah , I use something like that yeah .

Speaker 2

I'll use a monk fruit . Simple syrup is what I use typically , because otherwise it's just like , yeah , you're just swapping out alcohol for sugar .

Speaker 1

So monk fruit is the one , or stevia that I eat .

Speaker 2

It comes in liquid form or powdered or granulated .

Speaker 1

It's like sugar . I love it . I actually love monk fruit . It's a little sweeter or something , but it's really good . How do you ?

Speaker 2

help . I don't want to say patients , clients who , because I know something I hear from women in my membership is like , oh my gosh , I'm eating out the house , like I'm finding the candy from Halloween , you know , and we're in June or whatever , and because they're like craving that sugar . So how do you help people go from alcohol to just now ? Now they're just going to eat all the sugar , yeah .

Speaker 1

So I honestly say anything but alcohol , go ahead for the short term . Short term , you know you're having the alcohol cravings . Go ahead candy , eat the cake , eat the ice cream . Short term , I did I . I

Balancing Sugar Cravings and Recovery

Speaker 1

let myself like if I was craving , because I was like anything but alcohol . I , if I'm craving , you know , a hamburger , eat it . If I'm craving a chocolate cake , eat it . Like , yeah , it's because I knew that alcohol was the like , the , the big domino in my life that was gonna . Once I got that under control , then I could then look at my sugar and I did like , looked at my diet , looked at my sugar , it just for me it took about 100 days , 100 days of allowing my cravings to be whatever . And then I was like OK , I'm ready to look at the next thing , and sugar was the first thing .

Speaker 2

That's really wise . Yeah , that's wise because otherwise it's too overwhelming . Like I can't have anything , like I can't , oh my gosh . And your body is genuinely craving , craving that sugar , because you're missing it .

Speaker 1

You're missing it from the alcohol , so yeah , I ate so much sugar , so why deny it ? That's where I'm at .

Speaker 2

That's really good . I mean , I think that's good . You can only do so much at a time and I love that that . The alcohol is that huge domino and once you get that going , then , like you said , like the possibilities , now your life is opened up to all these possibilities , you're not burdened with shame and with that feeling of darkness , the heaviness of the cycle .

Speaker 1

And think about this when you go alcohol free , it's not like you're sleeping better , so you're feeling better . Your brain is freed up and clear , so you're making better decisions , and it's just like your life gets better and better and better , and eventually you're going to feel so good that you're going to want to exercise . You're just going to want . It's natural . I naturally wanted to exercise . I naturally wanted to eat better , healthier , like , nourish my body , rather than just think about a diet . So this is a lifestyle , like . I think once that , if you can get the mindset of this , is a lifestyle . This is for life , you know , rather than a diet . Right , I'm going to be alcohol free for one year and then I'll start drinking again . Well , or you know , then you're going to go back to that cycle with food or alcohol or anything that's addictive .

Speaker 2

Yeah , yeah , yeah , we usually go back even harder than we were , and harder , and we gain more weight . Yeah , it's usually up even more . Yeah . So when somebody works with you , do you because , as a certified , this naked mind , this naked mind . Yes , okay , annie Grace , how many lives has her book changed ?

Speaker 1

So do people come and they read the book with you ? Do you have group coaching ? How do you work with clients ? Good question Mostly

Coaching and Community Support

Speaker 1

well . I'm in the anti-racist programs and then I have my own one-on-one clients where we work privately . We could go through the book Oftentimes . I just suggest they read the book to have kind of a foundation . That's like the foundation book that I recommend because you learn the science .

Speaker 1

You're not alone . There's so much hope , mm-hmm . And my program is actually personalized to each and every person . I bring to the table what you need at the time you need it . That's what's the brilliant part of being a one-on-one coach . Now I also have group programs , and what's brilliant about group programs is you hear from other people and you're not alone , and you're like , oh my gosh , I can relate to that and that , and it's not me that has this . I'm not the only one that has a problem you know and I can relate to you .

Speaker 1

I've been there , so it's like I can just guide you through this , this mindset change and start to open up , to feeling your feelings again .

Speaker 2

Yeah , and it's so freeing to feel like you are not alone because for so many years , right , we lied , we believed that lie . I'm the only one . I thought I was the only one waking up at three in the morning . I really did .

Speaker 1

I was like what kind of ?

Speaker 2

mom am .

Speaker 1

I , I really did .

Speaker 2

The room is spinning . Netflix is asking me do you want to continue watching ? I ?

Speaker 1

don't remember what I was watching .

Speaker 2

What do you mean ? Continue watching ? Can we start over ? What are we watching ? What did I order the next day ?

Speaker 1

amazon packages show up like it was like christmas I mean , who did I ?

Speaker 2

that was the worst . I mean I would , when I'd start really start going at night , I'd be like , okay , I cannot get on facebook , because then I'd start making comments on , like you know , friends from high school . I'd be commenting on their pictures .

Speaker 1

I'd wake up in the morning I had to say comments back and I'm like yeah and I'm like so I was like that was a hard rule . I was like , do not go on Facebook , I would post the random things and like the next day , I'd be like why did I post ?

Speaker 2

weird picture , yeah , or who , who posted on my account . I'm like , oh my gosh , that was me at 237 in the morning , you know whatever . Yeah , yeah , yeah , yeah . So Sorry , all that to say to not feel like you're the only one , because I certainly felt that way . I think all many of us were . We believed that lie , that we were the only ones , the only ones and we're not . So , yeah , to have that group coaching and that connection of other people , like oh my gosh , she's going going through the same thing , it's so encouraging , it's so uplifting that you are not alone , you're not the only one . So I love it .

Speaker 1

If I could say anything I think that's the first thing I say to everyone Like you're not alone . And then there's so much hope , like those two , the combination of those two things , and then if I can get the concepts you know through coaching , eventually , like you did the best that you could with the tools that you had that's another thing that I love that phrase because it's true , I was at the time you have to put yourself back into that time I was doing the best that I could at the time , and the best and what I knew was drinking wine to relieve stress , to cope with being a single mom , to cope with all of that .

Speaker 1

It just turns out it's an addictive coping tool that ended up harming me more at the end , but it worked . You know , I thought it worked anyway . I convinced myself it worked for many years . Yeah , so you are doing the best that you can .

Speaker 2

There's so much compassion there and empathy there is , and I love that you just shared that there's so much hope , that there's so much hope and it doesn't matter like how bad things have been , you've been doing the best that you can , and there is hope and there's freedom . There's authentic freedom waiting for you on the other side of alcohol , for sure .

Speaker 1

Even if you can't picture it . You don't even know what it you know . You hear me saying , oh , I'm sleeping better and feeling better . And you're like , what I don't get that ? You don't have to get it , you just let it unfold . You just say I'm ready to feel better , so I'm going to start this journey , and you just make a decision to start it and do whatever you can , because life on the other side is so much better .

Speaker 2

So much better . I love that . Okay , that's so beautiful , and let it unfold , because , right , it doesn't happen magically , doesn't happen overnight . It just starts to unfold , it starts to present itself in front of you as you keep taking a new step each day , each moment . Not drinking . It's so , so amazing . Okay , ruby , I just love you . Love you . Thank you for coming on to Thriving Alcohol-Free . I'm so glad that my listeners get to meet you today . So , thank you . Thank you for all the work that you're doing and for just your encouraging heart to support others . It's really amazing .

Speaker 1

Thank you for allowing me to come and speak to your listeners , because I'm so passionate about what I do . So thank you , love it , love it .

Speaker 2

Of course . Okay , well , make sure everybody's following you on Instagram at Ruby Williams Coaching , and she is the co-host of Feel Lit Alcohol-Free Podcast . So please give a listen and we're actually gonna be guests on your podcast . So have fun . A little podcast trade . It was like very unintentional , very like organic . It organically happened . I love that . So that's the best . That's when the best things in life happen . So , all right , love you , guys , and we will talk to you soon .

Episode Closing and Resources

Speaker 2

Big time cheers to you for tuning into the Thriving Alcohol-Free Podcast . I hope you will take something from today's episode and make one small change that will help you to thrive and have fun in life without alcohol . If you enjoyed this episode and you'd like to help support the podcast , please share it with others , post about it on social , send up a flare or leave a rating and a review . I am cheering for you as you discover the world of non-alcoholic drinks and as you journey towards authentic freedom . See you in the next episode .