Free Split Re-rolls & Hyper Cube Rush | Sub-Mariner & Namorita Previews | The Snap Chat Ep. 186

This week, Alex is joined by the math-crunching co-founder of the brand-new Fourth Location website: Lauren (Laurenwhatevs)! The duo kicks things off by celebrating the launch of Lauren's new ad-free hub for Marvel Snap content before diving into the latest game updates. They discuss the massive quality-of-life improvements from Wild Boosters and free Split Re-rolls, and share their hopes for the upcoming Hyper Cube Rush event easing the notoriously sweaty Ranked Ladder grind.

Next, it's time for new card reviews! Alex and Lauren break down the latest releases:

• Sub-Mariner: Is this 1/2 scaling threat bugged? The hosts detail the frustrating lack of synergy with Venus and why the card is heavily underperforming.
• Namorita: Alex gets excited about slotting this 3/5 cost-reducer into Silver Surfer, while Lauren pitches a greedy, draw-heavy Thanos shell.
• Triton: A 3/4 that buffs the opponent? The hosts roast this card, calling it a 1.5-star skip whose only real use is accidentally ruining Cerebro decks.

Finally, they tackle the massive Marvel Snap Monetization Debate. Prompted by the community mailbag, Alex and Lauren discuss the harsh reality of a bloated Series 5, why the RNG Token Shop carousel is actively driving players away, and why viewing the $10 Season Pass as a monthly subscription is the healthiest way to play the game.

Join Alex Coccia and special guest Lauren as they chat about this and more on this episode of The Snap Chat—and catch Cozy and Alex every week as they discuss all things Marvel Snap.

You’ve been listening to The Snap Chat. Keep the conversation going on x.com/ACozyGamer and x.com/AlexanderCoccia. Until next time, happy snapping!

Transcript

Welcome Back Lauren

Alex 0:00

Hey everyone, and welcome to the next edition of The Snap Chat. And this week I am once again joined by one of my favorite people in the Marvel Snap community, someone that does a tremendous amount, not only behind the scenes, but also on their brand new website that they announced here on The Snap Chat last time they were here. Lauren, it is great to have you back on The Snap Chat. How have you been?

LaurenWhatevs 0:19

Thanks. I've been good, and I'm so excited to be back. One of my favorite shows.

Alex 0:24

Well, thank you. I actually really appreciate that, and you do frequently comment. I know you watch, which is fantastic, and I do appreciate

Series 6 Podcast Plug

Alex 0:29

that. And you have your own podcast as well.

LaurenWhatevs 0:31

Yeah. We... It's kind of adjacent to Fourth Location. We call it Series 6, and we talk to a guest every week for 30 minutes on a Snap topic

Alex 0:40

It's a cool show. I like it But

LaurenWhatevs 0:41

it's been, yeah, it's been great so far.

Alex 0:43

Yeah, I see some of my favorite, uh, community members there, like Rez and like a, a lot of people that, uh, obviously have, have o- been on this podcast as well, have come to yours too, which is fantastic. Yeah, amazing. We're gonna link that down below, of course. But I have to ask you, all right, we have so much to talk about today. There's a lot going on, and you might even have some special insight for us later on for the card we'll be previewing, which is kind of exciting. First time that's ever happened, but-

LaurenWhatevs 1:06

Oh, really?

Alex 1:07

It is the first time it's ever happened. They don't even know what we're talking about yet, but we'll figure it out. G- actually, do you want, do we just leave them hanging, or do you wanna say it in advance?

LaurenWhatevs 1:15

Oh, I'm good either way. Let's- Let's leave it as a surprise.

Alex 1:18

Leave it as a surprise? Okay, we'll leave it as a surprise. That's like the, the YouTube like, "Hey- you want people to get watch time, you gotta give them a g- reason to keep watching." Well, there's your reason to keep watching.

Fourth Location Launch

Alex 1:27

But also, so when you were here last, you actually announced the Fourth Location, which by the way, was an amazing name for a Marvel Snap website. And now it has finally launched, and it's been, it's been up for a bit, of course, and you guys have been doing a tremendous amount of work putting content on the site. And why don't you give us a breakdown of what the Fourth Location is, and of course, your role in, uh, its, uh, not only development, but its content.

LaurenWhatevs 1:51

I'd be happy to. Uh, so I teamed up with Scott, who is, was previously a prolific writer at Snap Fan before unfortunately they stopped doing articles. And we both were just... You know, I have the history writing at Marvel Snap Zone, and we both wanted some more freedom to do our own thing. Uh, he was continuing to write at Snap Fan while we were writing Fourth Lo- while he was writing at Fourth Location. But for me, there was once or twice that I asked at Snap Zone, "Hey, I have this cool idea for an article. Can I do it?" And they, they weren't into it. And so that's when I started, like, moving a lot more of my content to Twitter. But, Twitter has its own problems And so I wanted a place that was better for long-form content, long-form written content. So Scott and I had been talking about it and "What if we just started our own thing, and how can we make it unique?" So one of the core ways we're unique is it's so far completely ad free, and it's my every intention to keep it that way. We cover we cover every new card, we cover OTAs, Hot Locations, Weekend Missions. Kind of our specialty is the limited time game modes. Every single one, I will have an article breaking down the economy, and Scott will have an article breaking down the strategy and giving you a handful of decks

Alex 3:00

It is remarkable, and obviously you are very well known in the Marvel Snap sphere for doing, like, the hard number-crunching math that some people are terrified of. I'm just gonna put my hand here. We don't do math here. Everyone knows that. Yeah. I'm a known math avoider, uh, even in the most competitive circumstance. I'll be in, like... I remember being in Twitch Rivals being like, "Eh, this looks like enough." And people are like, "Just do the math, man." I'm like, "Nope. Just ship it." Um, so anyways, it's, uh, it's a lot of fun to, uh, to be able to see your perspective on things because, like, sometimes, especially in, like, mobile games, there's like... I don't know how to explain it, but sometimes, like, there's a lot of systems involved in trying to, like, make it less clear as to, like, the value proposition of certain things, right? Like, it's part of, like, the reason why you gotta buy credits and gold, and you're not just paying hard-earned dollars for things. Like, there's reasons for these things exist, and you kind of pull away the shroud a little bit to give more of a definitive answer to, like, the value in specific things. And we'll get into a little bit of that today, but, like, I, I legitimately appreciate it 'cause you're doing amazing work.

LaurenWhatevs 4:03

I really appreciate that. And yeah, that's, that's, that's, that's the little niche I've carved out. I enjoy math. I enjoy working in Excel and stuff. I have had a career as an analyst, so I thought, in the game I love, this is what I can do for the community.

Premium Support Model

Alex 4:17

And so on Fourth Location, we already talked about how that, uh, that site, uh, is completely ad-free. Now, you do have a premium option available. So what do you get for that premium option?

LaurenWhatevs 4:26

The main thing you get... My goal is that the main thing is patronage, that we're putting out such good content that you want to support us so that you can keep written Snap content alive, right? Like, Untapped and Snap Fan both previously had articles and now don't. So it's like Snap Zone and Fourth Location are kind of the only place left that's putting out Snap content, and if that's, you know, if that's important to you, put your money where your mouth is. But we do offer some extra things. Like Scott will often have, at the end of the character articles, he'll have a few bonus decks that you can only get if you're a premium subscriber. My, my limited time game mode analyses, I pay-wall them for two days. After that, they're totally free, but for the first two days, if you, if you wanna know right from the start if you should get the premium mode pass, y- you've gotta, you've gotta be supporting me. $4 a month is all it takes.

Alex 5:15

Yeah, actually, to be honest with you, I absolutely love that approach. The idea of the like, hey, it's like, it's almost like a Twitch subscription where it's like, yeah, you're getting ad free on that channel, but really, people, they subscribe because they wanna monetarily support the creators that they're engaging with. That's, that's the point of that ecosystem, right? And so, like, I absolutely agree with that. That's fantastic.

Audio Fix Quick Note

Alex 5:35

Now, before we move on to the second topic of conversation, you'll notice something in the audio and, uh, as Lauren and I were speaking, we realized that, uh, Discord had did a little switcheroonie on Lauren's input devices and was using their AirPods, and now your actual mic is being used. So if Lauren sounds way better all of a sudden that's why.

LaurenWhatevs 5:54

That's right. Hopefully, hopefully it's better.

Alex 5:57

It is certainly better. It was still good last time. To be honest with you, the AirPods, they sound pretty solid, but I did notice, 'cause like I, I do listen to your stuff and I was like, "I think this sounds different," and sure enough, it was Discord doing its things that Discord always does. A lot of fun using Discord to record stuff.

Wild Boosters Breakdown

Alex 6:11

But anyways- let's talk about what is honestly a pretty solid change in the world of Marvel Snap, and that is wild boosters, split rerolls, and of course, the ma- character mastery update that we received, and I guess we can talk about Hyper Cube Rush as well. So basically, we have hyper... not hyper boosters, that sounds cool, too, but wild boosters that have been incorporated into the game. So basically, every once in a while you get six wild boosters that you can apply to any single card. That's kind of interesting. In fact, it blows my mind that they've not incorporated that into the season pass collection track, which they would make those boosters way better if those were all just wild boosters as opposed to individual character boosters, but that's just my opinion. But before we get into the split rerolls, which I know is like the meat of what you wanna talk about, what are your thoughts on the wild boosters?

LaurenWhatevs 7:01

I think they're great, and honestly, like, a better implementation than I could have hoped for. When you- It's a 10% chance at the end of a match. When you land it, it, they don't replace the boosters you would have gotten anyway, so you still get your 12 boosters for a character in your deck, and then on top of that you get extra boosters. So it's not, like, a lot of gravy, but it's all gravy. Like, there, there's no downside.

Alex 7:21

There's literally no d- The only downside there is now is that... So, like, I would always go through my collection and make sure I upgraded all my cards just from common to uncommon, because per collection level, that's 25 credits, and then every other collection level after that is 50. That's a free-to-play tip for you guys. If you never knew that, by the way, that having all your cards upgraded from common to uncommon is theoretically the fastest way to improve your collection. Not the fastest, but the most efficient way. It's like the hybrid vehicle of collection track travel. Yeah. Right? You got it. That was... Yeah. I did it. That's, that was a good one, Alex. Well done. Um, but anyways, yeah, if you do that, it'll only cost 25 credits per collection level. But now the wild boosters make everything just sh- doing the shimmer. Like, the, "You can upgrade this card" shimmer is on everything all the time now, so now I have no idea what's going

Split Rerolls Explained

Alex 8:09

on. But let's focus on the thing that I think we really wanna talk about, and that is the split re-rolls and obviously the character mastery refresh. Now, it's not a complete redo of character mastery, but it is a definite refresh. Um, and what... I'll just read out exactly what they said in the blog. They wrote, quote, "From now on, every time you split a card, you'll have an option to re-roll either the finish or the flare outcome for free. After you use your free re-roll, you'll also have the option to spend gold to re-roll both the finish and the flare outcomes once each. Re-rolling is always optional, so if you're happy with the initial split outcome, then go ahead and keep it. Re-rolling is gated per card to character mastery at level 10, but with the recent increases to character master XP, uh, from splits and variants, getting to level 10 is that much easier. More improvements to character mastery are in development and are coming soon." So Lauren, I'll pass it off to you.

LaurenWhatevs 9:03

This is, this is another thing that is all positive, but I have mixed feelings about it because it's coming on the heels of last month's mastery updates, which spiked how much XP you get from splits and variants, and that sounds like a good thing, right? Like, oh, let's just hand out more XP. But it's like that's a, that's a mixed thing. It's good for people who are chasing level 30 or good for people who like the late unlocks, like Wakandan Tech or Galactic Storm. Like, if what you're trying to do is get those, then getting extra XP is great 'cause you get to them faster. But if the things you care about are unlocked earlier, say Ink and Gold or Crackle, then the XP, the increased XP actually hurt those because you unlock so many other finishes and flares so fast now that you're diluting the pool and making it harder to hit Ink and Gold So it really like, these are things that are, that have to be highly qualified. It's like, is it good for you? Depends on what type of player you are. What is the most important thing for you when you're splitting cards? But the re-roll kinda like balanced out, it largely balanced out the downside of the XP change, even if we're only looking at doing the one free re-roll, right? Like, you don't wanna spend any gold on your re-rolls, even though it's only 100 gold. Totally fine. It can make a big difference in, every time you miss Ink, you get another chance at it by re-rolling.

Alex 10:27

Yeah, or if you do get Ink and like you get a like, I don't know, anything other than Crackle or Wakandan tech or something that you enjoy. You're like, "Oh, cool, I got..." I'll be honest with you, sometimes the sparkle ones look really nice behind like Cosmic borders and stuff. Like, some of them... But like the flare ones aren't always great. I like the flare ones with like, uh, Cosmic. I think Cosmic and the flare goes together really well. So like there's al- listen, I think there's a lot of combinations where they're nice, but having the option to re-roll for free is just a straight-up win. You're absolutely right. Did they dilute the pool a little bit? Sure, but it's like, are we complaining about a good thing? You know what I mean? Like, as you mentioned, right, like overall this is a net benefit at the end of the day.

Mastery Goals Debate

Alex 11:07

But it's still like... I don't wanna d- ugh, I almost don't wanna do this, but I'll do this. It almost still doesn't quite feel like the promise of, of what character mastery was originally supposed to be, and I'm glad they're going back to it. It gives me hope they'll even go back to like the alliance system eventually at some point. Like, I'm glad that they're putting effort into things. Like, they don't have to do this. They could've just been like, "You know what? It's old news. This ain't gonna, this ain't gonna sell variance. This ain't gonna sell whatever. We're not gonna make money off this. Let's just move on." They're like, "No, it's gonna make our game better. We're gonna do it." So kudos to Second Dinner for that. But like, I just remember what, like, I felt character mastery meant, and what I felt character mastery could've been, and it's still not quite this. I don't know if you, if like you agree with me or not, but like I, I'll pass it back. But like I'm glad we're making improvements to the system, but I still hope there's a system at some point where it's like, oh, you did something really cool with this card, or like you actually, like you've made 100 people kneel with Galactus. Like, here's a special border that only you get, you know what I mean? I think that's kinda cool, too.

LaurenWhatevs 12:13

Yeah, I would love to see mastery lean into using the card, right? Not just how did you allocate your economy resources, but have you actually played hundreds of games with your favorite weird card? And then, you know, and then if there was some cosmetic tied to that, it would mean so much more to show somebody, right? Like, I have played hundreds and hundreds of games with Valkyrie. It would feel awesome to show off, I don't know, a Valkyrie card back or a Valkyrie title, something specific that indicated not only did I split her to level 30, but I also, like, I have earned 1,000 cubes with Valkyrie or whatever the line is. Um, when they first teased Mastery, I think it was, like, December 2024, and they promised kind of what you were talking about, where it was, you know, character-specific missions. And I don't, I don't know if it needs to be tied in the Mastery system, but I would love to see them implement character-specific missions. I think that's a really cool idea.

Alex 13:12

Yeah.

Hypercube Rush Overview

Alex 13:13

At the end of the day, definitely positive here, and, uh, I did mention I would mention, I did mention I would mention somehow made sense, uh, Hyper Cube Rush, which sounds like their answer to, like, how much of a slog the ranked experience can be. And it, honestly, rank- getting through rank 90s is not, like, I'm just like, "I don't even care anymore." Like, I just, I can't. I just, sometimes it's just too sweaty, and it's just like, I get it. Like- you get to infinite, which I, you know, I've done the, the last season or so, and it's like, yeah, okay, it's cool. Like, I did it. It's cool. But now I feel like, now I get to have fun. I, I don't want to feel that way. Like, I don't want to have to feel like I gotta, like, like, run the gauntlet through the 90s to finally have fun. And what ends up happening, I'll be totally honest with you, is I'll just play the limited time game modes. Like, I just don't. I'll do my weeklies. I'll do the game modes. I'm like, I'm just not gonna do the sweat fest in the 90s. And I feel like almost every single person I speak to, albeit I have a much more, I think, uh, like the, like a lot, a lot more casual players often, like, come into the comments and stuff like that, which is awesome. I love you guys. Like, you guys are the reason why Marvel Snap still exists, right? Let's be honest. The casual audience is the reason why Snap still exists. And the hardcore audience that, yeah. Everyone who's listening right now is the reason why Marvel Snap still exists. But, um, it's just I feel like it is a source of pain, like legit pain. Like, I'm using that word very deliberately, getting through the 90s and hopefully the Hyper Cube Rush event, which basically allows you to e- earn bonus cubes from a pool of 20 cubes, essentially. Like, we have, it'll come in July, so I haven't even seen it in motion yet, but hopefully that helps out a little bit.

LaurenWhatevs 14:45

I'm sure it will. They actually, I think Brady answered l- like, team answers on the official Discord who somebody was asking about it, why, you know, what are the numbers? When are we gonna see it? And the way Brady answered made it sound like recognition that limited time game modes take time away from the climb, and so the climb has gotten more difficult just from a how much time do you have to play the game perspective. And so he made it sound like Hyper Cube Rush will be something they use between limited ta- limited time game modes as a way to, catch up for the week you took off because you were playing high voltage.

Alex 15:19

Sounds good to me. Honestly, that sounds like a win. Sounds

LaurenWhatevs 15:22

like a good- Yeah. Did we talk about what it does?

Alex 15:24

I can read it. I got the actual text. I didn't, I didn't actually read it, no. Good, good calling that. All right, I'll read it. This is-

LaurenWhatevs 15:29

I mean, I can, I can tell you what it does.

Alex 15:31

Yeah, okay. You go, you go.

LaurenWhatevs 15:33

Okay. So you get a pool during Hypercube Rush. Let's say it, it lasts a week long and there's 20 cubes that are in your Hypercube pool. That means the next 20 cubes you earn from wins in ranked mode double. So it's just, it's just 20 free cubes you earn by getting... by winning games, and there's no doubling for when you lose. So it's purely... it's another change that is purely positive. There's nothing that is... There's no downside to it. It's purely bonus cubes.

Alex 16:03

There you go. I will say, though, and you said, like, there's no downside to it. I'll tell you what the downside is that it's the acknowledgement that ranked feels awful at times. Yeah. Right? That's the downside, where it's like I wonder... Like, this is, first of all, a great step, and, like, I'm someone who has been saying for a long time that ranked does not feel right or does not feel great, and it's not the best way to play Snap. And I didn't come up with this idea. This is better than what I would've done. So I think this is actually a really neat idea, so kudos to Second Dinner for putting their thinking caps on and kinda coming up with something like this. But I hope it is an acknowledgement that, like, the grind of ranked is not necessarily the most fun way to engage in Snap. And there are gonna be players that are hypercompetitive that do love the 90, being like, that stretch from 93 to 100 is the sweatiest, most fun sweat I ever get. Yeah. Like, the... And I, listen, I'm, I'm here for that. Like, I'm glad. Like, find your thing and, and enjoy the game, right? But, um, I just feel like a lot of players... And if, if this is the vocal minority, then please, guys, on the other side, like, let me know what you think. Let us know what you think. I just, the, I get the sense that a lot of players feel like the grind is a little much, and so I'm glad they're doing the Hypercube Rush event. I'm glad that, uh, they're making the ranked experience a little more palatable, because I think it had to happen.

Submariner Reality Check

Alex 17:22

Just like we eventually have to go on to our review of Submariner, and I gotta be honest with you, Lauren I'm kinda sad. I'm a little sad here, because I don't wanna say that this card's poo, because the stats don't love it. It has a 48% win rate according to One Tap, 8% meta popularity. The best performing decks are running in the 55 percentile range. Mediocre cube rates. And I'm sad because I legit had so much fun playing this card, and it's one of those cards I'm like, "Man, I like this card a lot." And I'm, I'm heartbroken that it's not more competitive. Curious what your thoughts on it. I'm just like, I'm not re- I'm not ready to say, like, I'm not ready to say that, like, I'm selling this card out and I'm just done with it, 'cause I almost wanna keep playing it because I like it that much. But it's definitely not performing.

LaurenWhatevs 18:10

Yeah. The numbers are bad. And I wonder, even in the handful of decks that are getting, like, 55% win rate, I mean, you pointed out not a great queue rate, but I also wonder, like, is it the rest of the deck carrying? You know, like, is Submariner contributing to that 55%? Because I agree with you, n- was not impressed. I had a lot of fun with him, but did not feel very strong. And there were even, there were interactions that I was disappointed to see didn't work, like Symbiote Spider-Man, that seemed cool. Like, oh, I can get... Oh, I can generate a one-cost with plus seven. Doesn't work. Venus, she still hands Submariner the plus one bonus, but it doesn't generate an extra one-cost. It doesn't, she doesn't do it either way, right? If you forge, if you forge him, Submariner just generates the two. He doesn't generate one with an extra three, and he also doesn't generate two cards at once. You know, it's like, either way you would expect the Venus buff to do something, and it, and it just doesn't. I'm so glad you said that. And that seems especially weird 'cause they're cards in the same season.

Alex 19:09

I'm so happy you said that because that was, like, one of those things I'm like, "Is this a bug?" I don't understand. Like, am I not seeing something here? Like, am I wrong, or is this, is the Venus interaction completely nonsensical? 'Cause you're right, Lauren, it has to do one of those two, or else what the hell is Venus's text? Right. Like, it makes no sense, no? Like, uh, that, that really holds back Submariner, 'cause if you think about that, on either one, you either generate an additional one or you add the extra power to what's being generated. This card maybe gets to a 52% win rate, which is still not great, but it's certainly better than what it is now. Like, I just... I'm so glad you called that out, because that was one of my major frustrations with it. I'm like, okay, I was playing Venus, and... And what's crazy is that cutting Venus was a bad idea, because you're still playing cards that wanna buff things, and Venus is- Mm-hmm gonna play along. Like, if you don't s- draw Submariner, you still have an out because Venus is still just making all your other cards bigger anyways, so she was always in the deck regardless. Yeah, that interaction was kind of just silly. Like, it just... Well, not it, the non-interaction's just silly.

LaurenWhatevs 20:15

I think they've set it so that Venus doesn't count as empowerment. That's my best guess because it explains Submariner not working and then that They would have done it so that, Shaw and extra Venuses, like if you have two or three on the board at the same time, so you don't create infinite loops. Which, like, yes, you have to make sure there aren't infinite loops, but Venus should work with Submariner, especially when they're f- you know, featured cards in the same season. It just, like, it feels bad when cards that are coming out at the same time and have, apparent synergy just totally don't work together. It feels like something's broken.

Alex 20:48

There's Oh my gosh, there's a recent example of that as well. Hold on. I'm gonna, I'm gonna go out here. Hold on. It happened, like, a couple seasons ago. It was with Polaris and Caliban, wasn't it? All

LaurenWhatevs 20:55

the objectives.

Alex 20:57

Yeah. The objective stuff was sloppy, too, and it was one of those things where it's like this can't be working the way it was. I don't remember the exact thing, but there was something with the way the objectives were being resolved that was awkward, and, um, it really held them back. And even, like Oh, I don't remember, 'cause I, I honestly haven't played these cards lately. I just

LaurenWhatevs 21:16

haven't. Well, it's things like Caliban should aff- you know, afflicts cards, and Polaris, when she sees affliction, she pulls a card from your hand. Right. But they can't do it in the same turn because the objectives- That's right only check a single time each turn. Yeah. And that's just, like, it was really awkward. It's the same thing with En Sabah Nur, right? You would swap in an objective card, and then it just wouldn't do anything

Alex 21:37

Yeah, and oh, and even with the end of game triggers too. Like, it doesn't work with end of game triggers. Yeah, so there's a lot of weird stuff where it's like, especially with like them both being Pestilence cards. You're like, "Come on, guys, we gotta do it. We gotta get that working together." But, uh, it didn't. So yeah, for me, Submariner is definitely a... It's a card I enjoyed playing a lot. Like, that was a stream I had a lot of fun playing, and I ranked up, I did well. Like, I, I had a positive win rate, everything was good. But even then, like, I was doing my like kinda quick take review video of it, and I'm like, "I had fun, but I don't know if my experience is gonna be the norm." Like, I don't know if... And I was playing like a V Hand version, stuff like that. I was unironically playing Karen Page, who I thought was actually pretty good with this card who I still think needs to be buffed to a four-six. Karen Page believers out there, come on, let's see it. But at the end of the day, it's like this needed a little bit more. It definitely did.

Namorita Card Preview

Alex 22:30

And I guess that's gonna take us to the next topic of conversation, which is Namorita. Namorita, who is, uh, getting a natural sports variant. Did not expect this, but apparently we're sticking with it. Namorita, a three-five that reads: When you draw a card, give it negative one cost if this is your only card here, and this referencing Namorita. Now Lauren, you just may, just may have a little bit of extra insight into Namorita, so why don't you fill us in on your experience thus far?

LaurenWhatevs 23:04

That's right. I am doing the Namorita preview, the community spotlight on the official Marvel Snap channel. So I have actually been able to play with Namorita, and you will see what, this Tuesday, you c- you can watch my clips that I got with her. She has a home in a few decks, I think, right? Like, where, where Submariner kind of, maybe he doesn't really belong anywhere if your goal is to win. I think Namorita will have a few homes. The most obvious one to me is Surfer, right? Like, Surfer is a deck that plays Sarah, a five-five, to save three energy. If you do Namorita instead, if you get her out on turn three, she also saves you three energy, but she only costs three, and she gets buffed by Surfer. So I really liked that deck, you know, and it draws things like Brood or even just cheap cards that make it so that you can leave Namorita by herself the whole game and then still contest that lane on turn six

Alex 24:01

But what if, what if you play Namorita and then you top deck Sarah? I'm just throwing it out there. I mean, that is- Is that not absolutely beautiful?

LaurenWhatevs 24:10

That is very nice if you can get Sarah out on turn four, and then double discount everything you draw after that.

Alex 24:16

It's true. It's

Surfer Synergies and Tech

Alex 24:17

true. And it like... So I have to ask you, right? Because I'm obviously gonna be playing Silver Surfer with this card. Silver Surfer's been my favorite package this season. It's actually doing really well. It's legit a deck right now, which is fantastic. And, um, I'm, like, trying to figure out, like, who I'm cutting for, what I'm gonna do. I'm, like, doing all this stuff. Do you think, and this is what I'm gonna ask you, and I'm just trying to, like, you know, figure myself out here I don't know if I could convince myself to cut Sara from the deck. Do you think having Namorita allows you to cut Sara from the deck and go with another high impact three cost or... 'Cause y- um, you're probably still running something like a Mother Skani. Like, there's things you can do. I'm just wondering if Sara still stays in that deck.

LaurenWhatevs 24:58

That's an interesting thought. I like having redundancy, and so having both of them could be great for, you know, the games you don't draw Sara, you have another way that you could play extra threes on the last turn. I don't know if Namorita can do it by herself, 'cause, like, if you don't get her down until four or five, then she's not discounting as much. That's true. But I'm also somebody who doesn't believe Surfer needs Sara, so I don't know if I'm the right person to ask that question.

Alex 25:26

It wasn't playing Sara for the longest time. It's actually kind of recent that Sara's come back into Surfer, and it's weird because Surfer used to, like, cut Sara and run just, like, Gwenpool, Galacta. That was, like, the top end. Mm-hmm. I don't even remember those days. Back in my day. Like, I don't know. I've, I've been coping with Surfer for so long, it's all a blur at this point. But, like, I've always loved a Sara variation. I've always loved a Sara variation. But there's another thing that happened. There's another thing I... Okay, I know you seem like you wanna say something, but I just got one more point I wanna make here quick, is that... All right. So cost reduction in Marvel Snap has always been incredible. Mobius M Mobius has always been the sh- turnoff valve for that, the release valve. However, very notable for Namorita is that Mobius M Mobius got nerfed by adjacency thanks to the change to Techno-Organic Virus. So Techno-Organic Virus- Mm-hmm and Mobius M Mobius were being played together constantly for obvious reasons, right? 'Cause it would prevent the cost from increasing.

Mobius Meta Shift

Alex 26:29

Now that Techno-Organic Virus does not do that, you're seeing less Mobius M Mobius in the meta, perhaps giving Namorita and Sara more time to breathe. What are your thoughts on that?

LaurenWhatevs 26:38

I think you're totally right. It's, uh... You always see more Mobius when there are decks doing well that, that can use him offensively as well as, just messing up your opponent. So yeah, definitely has taken him out, and Namorita would be in trouble if there was a lot of Mobius going around.

Alex 26:55

Would most certainly

Crystal Draw Engine

Alex 26:56

be. Now I know this is mad crazy cope, and just, I don't know if you even thought to test this, 'cause this is insane, but it's actually not insane because Crystal got buffed to a 3/6. And I was thinking to myself, if you have Namorita out, Crystal comes down as a 3/6, you draw another card, and that card is now discounted thanks to Crystal, further deepening your ability to utilize Namorita's skill set. What are your thoughts on that one?

LaurenWhatevs 27:19

Yeah, I totally agree. Krystal is a real card now at 3/6. I- she's got stats. She has the body to justify having your opponent draw a card, and then of course, if you have Namorita or say Jubilee/Silver Surfer, those are ways that you can get even more value out of the extra draw. So I think Krystal totally belongs in Namorita Surfer. I- it was one of the decks that I tried with Namorita was, like, greedy draw, right? Like, you have Nico, Krystal, Adam Warlock, all these things that can draw extra cards because every single one you draw is getting discounted.

Alex 27:52

That's actually an, a nice idea. I, I never, I would never have gone that deep into it. I mean, that's not a Surfer deck, I guess. You're just trying to draw cards, which I, I like

Testing Namorita Shells

Alex 28:01

that. I like that. But, uh, so with, uh, with Namorita specifically, though, there's a couple thoughts I wanna, uh, mention, too. First of all, it's crazy to me that cards like Hope Summers has continued to, like, flounder in this, like, no man's land of the meta. It goes to show you just how far the new releases are starting to, like, push some of the older cards, like, completely out. Like, do you guys remember that Hope Summers exists? I certainly do. But with regards to Namorita specifically, were there any other cards and synergies that in your testing you saw stand out?

LaurenWhatevs 28:34

I played a bunch of decks. You know, the other one that really felt cool was Thanos because that's a deck that naturally draws a bunch, right? Because of the stones. So every stone you draw is free after Namorita, and then all the stones that are drawing extra cards mean even more discounts. So she was pretty fun there.

Alex 28:53

As you were saying that, I cut back to Namorita, 'cause I'm like, "I don't remember if it said minimum one or not." And it does not say minimum one on it. So the stones would in fact be free while replacing themselves, well, mo- for the most part, in your hand. That's pretty cool. And the best variation, you did bring up Jubilee Silver Surfer, who in my experience was, that was miserable. I Miserable, miserable. But, but the best place for it was a Thanos deck. So do you think there's a little cope shell somewhere where you can play Thanos, Jubilee Silver Surfer, Fantastic Four First Steps? Is that what her name is? No, she's just Why did I add the Fantastic Four First Steps at the end? I just had to make the name unnecessarily long. So Jubilee Silver Surfer, and then like, uh, and Namorita, do you think there's a place where they can all play together in a positive win rate deck?

LaurenWhatevs 29:42

If there is, Thanos is probably the most likely because then you don't have to dedicate a bunch of other deck space to cards that can draw

Alex 29:51

Fair enough. Okay.

Namorita Star Ratings

Alex 29:54

Any last thoughts on Namorita before we give our star ratings? And I'll let you lead the way with your star rating.

LaurenWhatevs 30:00

Ooh. No she's a fun card, but she's going to be quite niche I think in the decks that she contributes to a positive win rate.

Alex 30:08

Okay. I had written down a four stars out of five. Binks came in at the preview we did together. Binks came in 4.5. Binks was hyped up. Whoa. I was slightly lower, but still, like, excited about Namorita at four. Where would you put her on a five-point scale?

LaurenWhatevs 30:26

I'd be around three or three and a half, and that's what I

Alex 30:30

was saying, British. No! I've already missed. I'm already wrong.

LaurenWhatevs 30:34

Hey, but you were, you were lower than Binks. That means you're closer, right?

Alex 30:37

Get wrecked, Binks. Yeah, I know. Okay, it's good to know. So you're thinking, like... So three in your mind, that's like, it has a spot, it has a niche, but it- it's not gonna be, like, a top-tier meta contender.

LaurenWhatevs 30:48

Yeah. She's a real card, but I don't think she's super flexible.

Alex 30:51

That sounds about right, especially since, like, she's by herself, and, like... What if you have a deck... This makes no sense. Never

Orca Meta Memories

Alex 30:57

mind. I'm not gonna say it. I was gonna say, what if you have a deck where it's just, like, you just play three cards. You play Namorita, Namor, and then, like, Sh- Orca Well, who's the Shamu card? Who's the g- the card... Oh my gosh.

LaurenWhatevs 31:07

Orca.

Alex 31:08

Orca, yeah, yeah, Orca. I said Shamu with the whole... Anyways, yeah, so Orca. And you just play those three. You know, I, I did have a deck a long time ago where I did play Namor and, uh, Orca, and then my middle was, like, Moonstone and, uh, and, like, Mr. Fantastic. And I was, like, trying to, like, artificially just, like... They're just like, "What? I can't believe I'm losing to a, a Namor by himself in a lane," and whatever, but that's a whole other conversation.

LaurenWhatevs 31:33

Trying to make Orca happen.

Alex 31:35

Trying to make Orc- Well, okay, the last time Orca was playable, do you remember when? 'Cause I do. I couldn't remember his name at the time, but I, I remember the last time he was meta relevant. Do you? Oh, I'm putting you on the spot.

LaurenWhatevs 31:44

Really? Yeah. I don't know.

Alex 31:46

You don't know? Okay. It was... And it was one of the major reasons why I'm trying to type rapidly here. It was one of the reasons why Ms. Marvel had to get changed, because Orca and Ms. Marvel were being used. Oh. 'Cause you could play Ms. Marvel and then just slam Orca on six, and then it would get plus at the time, plus five power, plus Orca's jump as well. So Orca would just smash one location while it was empty. And then so then they made it the adjacent locations had to have two cards, not just one, which was kind of crazy. Yeah, I missed that

LaurenWhatevs 32:16

Ms. Marvel.

Alex 32:18

Yeah, so that was the last time Orca saw relevant play, I think. Orca's with a K, right? Yeah. Yep. Like, honestly, it's been so long since I even looked at it. I haven't even... I've not even adjusted this border. Like, I've not, I've not done the custom card at all. I just... Whatever. Poor

LaurenWhatevs 32:31

Orca. Yeah, he's a 618 now

Alex 32:34

Yeah. I know. Like- And you still never see it there's gotta be a reason to play this card No.

LaurenWhatevs 32:41

Yeah. I, I'm not sure what you... what would you do? I don't know. Uh, I know Bude recently has been playing him in high-voltage overdrive, so maybe there's a home for him in limited time game modes.

Alex 32:54

Maybe. Just maybe.

Triton Card Review

Alex 32:57

Now, I guess my next question would be is, do you think there's a home for Triton? Triton is a 3/4 that reads, "On reveal, give the last character each player played last turn plus three power." I don't think this card is, like, unmitigated filth. Like, I don't think it's, like, landfill, just pure trash, but I kinda wonder why it exists. I don't know if that's your thought on it. Like, I'm giving it, like, this very hesitant, like, 1.5 to two-star range of, like, I guess it, it, like... You can play it and it doesn't actively defeat you, but at the same time, it's like, why? Why would this be in your deck?

LaurenWhatevs 33:35

No, I mostly agree with you. I mostly think he's a 1.5 to a two. This is just... Why would you play it? If you don't do anything to, like, break the symmetry, he might as well be a vanilla 3/4, and we don't play those, right? So he's a very, very goofy card. I did get the chance to play with him in the Carter Maverick stick stuff- Great and there, it's extremely doable to make his plus three to spread it around extra times. But even then, it, it felt like he was, like, plan D. Like you would play him if you had to. But, hitting your Carter with Triton, that's not bad, that you end up getting plus nine out of it, your opponent gets plus three.

Alex 34:14

Yeah, like there's, there's reasons I guess to play Triton. And I'm wondering like, I'm wondering if like I'm just missing something here, but like I scrolled through the two drops, I'm like on curve, like I don't even really care about any of this really. I was just like, I didn't really see anything that stood out to me, and then I was like, "Okay, I guess you blow up Cerebro," which is cool. But then like you throw initiative, and then they play Cerebro on six, and then you buff Cerebro to a three, they're playing C3, and you get destroyed. Yeah. Someone's gonna do that. Someone's gonna do that, by the way. So just like for the most part you should clap them, but as long as you hit their Mystique, right? As long as you hit their Mystique. But, um, yeah, I don't know. I, I wanna s- talk more about this card, but like I just... It's just one of those cards I'm like this is so like, if we spend 15 minutes talking about this card, we're being disrespectful to everyone's time. I think this is a massive nothing burger.

LaurenWhatevs 35:09

Yeah. Pretty bad card.

Alex 35:12

Yeah. But it is part of the limited time game mode, so you can... It's Grand Arena, so you have a chance to get it for free, which is cool, and if you don't wanna get it for free, it's gonna be relatively discounted at 800 gold compared to what you'd be spending 3,000 tokens on or whatever, series five, 6,000 tokens on. So that is beneficial. But it's just kinda crazy 'cause like if you think about the series four releases from limited time game modes, we've gotten Mother Askani, Askani Son, we've gotten Dragon Lord. We've gotten bangers, and then there's this. Hunger. It's just like why? Yeah. Yeah. True, The Hunger, which is absolutely key, especially now with Venus too, like those decks are back for the most part. This just seems like a like I just don't know why it's this.

LaurenWhatevs 35:53

Yeah. This one is skippable, although I do think it's gonna be a fun Grand Arena. All 21 champions are available.

Alex 36:00

Yeah. That's cool. I like that a lot, and I'm glad they're trying to cook there.

Snapchat Mailbag Begins

Alex 36:04

All right, that is gonna take us to our Snapchat mail bag. Now, uh, Lauren and I were just joking prior to hitting the record button on the podcast that there were 504 comments on the Snapchat last week, which is an absolute wave of comments, and it was Pulse that was like, "I'm gonna send every one of those feedbacks to Second Dinner," so good luck, Pulse. But we did have a few comments there that I wanna highlight, and by the way, I have to tell you that I think that the comments section on that last video was a tremendous resource to Second Dinner. In fact, I've, uh, I've already kind of mentioned like, "Hey, like I think you should read this comments section because it is filled with people with both positive and constructively negative feedback with regards to the monetization of Marvel Snap," which is the best you're gonna get. Because usually I feel like- How do I explain this? I feel like feedback is often very tilted in one direction or the other, and I felt like the community here had a very legitimate... Like, people poured their heart- heart outs into paragraphs of text where they thoroughly explained their feelings and how they have experienced the monetization of Marvel Snap and how they think it can be improved or made better for even some people that don't even play anymore that were like, "I would come back if they made these changes," right? Like, you guys put so much effort into it. Thank you from the bottom of my heart, because we all love this game and we want it to succeed and it's moments like that and feedback like that makes all the difference. So Lauren, we got a couple, uh, maybe questions

Fixing Token Carousel

Alex 37:33

here. Um, first comes from Philip, and it reads, "I honestly agree with the podcast in that the main thing that needs to be improved that might actually get improved is the card carousel. The game is super generous already, so expecting it to get cheaper is likely out. But with the number of cards in the system, only seeing a single card ev- every eight hours is kind of nonsense. It's barely even FOMO at that point. It's like the game doesn't even want to show you their wares." So Lauren, what are your thoughts on the token carousel in the game right now in Marvel Snap? I

LaurenWhatevs 38:11

think that is an extremely valid criticism. I've seen players who say they are, they're excited to come back, and then they do, and the one card they want doesn't ever show up. They are watching the carousel three times a day for a week N- and, and the one card that, that they saw somebody play on YouTube that made them wanna come back to Snap doesn't rotate in, and it might be another several weeks until it does, and that's just a problem. You know, there are... I j- I just checked. I scrambled to check. 164 Series 5 cards right now. So if somebody is new or returning, that, that's crazy. That could take 50- that's almost a year. That's terrible math. Is it? No, 52. I'm sorry. It's not weekly, it's daily that you get cards. So 164 divided by 3, 54 days. It could take you almost two months.

Alex 39:04

That's insane, and that's even assuming- So I double-checked all my math that it rotates in a way. Yeah. Yeah. It even rotates in a way. Like, it's not g- just gonna rotate through them individually. Like, people are being like, "I'm getting duplicates nonstop. It seems random. Like, I don't know what the system is." And you're absolutely right. Like, it's a massive sort of fr- source of frustration, and I understand the FOMO design of it. This is like the, someone read a mobile game book and decided that this was the best way to implement this. But you know what? Yeah. I think Second Dinner should be FOMOing on losing customers because that's what's happening. Th- that's what's happening. Give them the cards they wanna play with, man. Like, if they wanna pay for them, or they wanna access them, or they wanna spend their tokens on them, why are we not letting them do that? If they wanna play your game, and they wanna play Loki, and they gotta wait two months of your FOMO carousel RNG stuff, that is brutally punishing. Brutally punishing, and that is why people bounce off the ba- the game, among other things, of course. But yeah, I saw that comment. That was one very consistently identified as a massive pain point, and it's not even about, like, how expensive cards are. It's just like- It's like, "Bro, we just wanna get the cards." It's the agency Like, we just like... Yeah.

LaurenWhatevs 40:12

How would you fix it? Do you have any ideas?

Alex 40:14

I don't know. All I'm saying is that, like, that's the thing, right? I'm not, I'm not a game designer. I already said this before. Sure. I said this with Pulse. If I was responsible for monetiz- monetization, Second Dinner would be out of business. Like, let's be honest. Yeah. I'd ruin this game. I'd have given everything away. They'd be like, "Bro, like, you're fired. Like, we can't, we can't... Like, not, no, you're not just fired, you're laid off because, like, we can't afford to keep these lights on 'cause you gave away everything." And I'm not saying that to be like, "I would be so generous." Like, no, I would make the wrong choices because I don't know, right? Yeah like, you gotta make money, I understand. People's livelihoods ex- like, are reliant on you selling the car- the cards because the card is the product of the game, right? Like, that's the honest truth, right? We have the variants and stuff like that, of course. But, uh, yeah, I don't know. Like, the way it's, the way that, like, um, Hearthstone works, for instance, where, like, you can get any card, and you can target them by crafting them. But then again, like, you use dust, but then there's duplicates. You can get duplicates in Hearthstone, which you don't get duplicates in Marvel Snap necessarily, so that system's not quite analogous to one another. I don't know how you fix it, but definitely providing more op- or, like, even if there was a carousel where it's like here's the series three cards carousel, here's the series four, here's the series five, and here's a pinned location where you can pin a card that you're like, "I wanna get that eventually," and it does not just block the entire rotation. That in and of itself is a massive improvement.

LaurenWhatevs 41:35

Yeah, that's a great idea, just, like, triple how many slots there are in, in the carousel. And then it takes two weeks to get the card you want instead of two months. Uh- Yeah I don't know. I feel like there's a way to do both, right? Like, charge, charge 8,000 tokens to get any card of your choice immediately. Like, a- That's a lot woe to say, you know, charge more. Oh, 7,000 or, or whatever. 1,000 more than the card currently costs, right? Either that or make the w- the carousel discounted, so it's 6,000 to buy any card you want and then 5,000, and that's the FOMO element is you can save 1,000 if you buy it right now.

Alex 42:09

Okay, I like this idea. Like, you can commission the collector for an extra thousand tokens to go find you their card. Go find y- like, find me Loki, and it goes to do it.

LaurenWhatevs 42:19

Just I think they have to do something like that. 164 Series 5 cards, that's crazy.

Alex 42:24

Yeah, it's too much. It's way too much. And it w- there were so many comments about series drops, by the way. So many comments about series drops. Like, we could, we can talk for, like, literally hours about it. Um- We could

LaurenWhatevs 42:36

do a whole show about it, for

Alex 42:37

sure. We could do a whole show just about series drops. And, uh, there was a comment that I, I should have pulled out, but someone did mention like, hey, like I think they said that like... Paraphrasing the comment of course, because I can't quote it. They were saying like, "Hey, like I think that creators are underplaying how valuable series drops would be for the average person trying to play free-to-play, who have been trying to patiently wait for things to get cheaper so that they can start to use some of their saved up resources." So yeah, all the feedback was amazing.

World Cup Pride Cosmetics

Alex 43:03

Let's move on to Ash, who I think asked a, a very topical question. So obviously it's the World Cup. Have you been watching the World Cup?

LaurenWhatevs 43:10

I've seen it on around the place, but it's not on in my home.

Alex 43:15

That's so, that, that's fair. Um, and on the, uh, other podcast I do, uh, Into the Rift, which is the Rift Bound podcast, uh, Joe Curley, otherwise known as Specimen from Marvel Snap, is a bit of a soccer hooligan. So we have a lot of, uh, discussions, a lot of having, having fun. He's going har- hardcore for, uh, for England of course, and Canada's in the World Cup, which is fantastic. But, uh, Ash did bring up a great thing about how the World Cup brings out a lot of national pride and just pride in general. And Ash had said, "Who is your favorite Marvel character currently in Marvel Snap who is from your country? I only have one to pick from, so mine would automatically be Pixie as she is from Wales." I didn't know that. "Also, in honor of the football World Cup, do you think that it would be cool if we had variants of cards from across the world featuring characters holding the flag of their country, or having it featured somewhere on the card? Kind of like the Pride variants. Love the podcast."

LaurenWhatevs 44:11

That's an awesome idea to give players more ways to show off some, I don't know, some of their own personality or identity. Like, where do they come from? You know, lots of games do that with their cosmetics. It wouldn't even have to be variants. It could be, I don't know, titles or, or card backs or something. But I'm sure players would love to show off their national pride.

Alex 44:32

Of course. I'll give you a s- a second to think about your answer. But for me, I, I went to immediately Wolverine. I mean, being Canadian, Wolverine is like, in terms of like overall Marvel, it's hard not to pick Wolverine, right? But if I had to say Marvel Snap, I don't actually play that much Wolverine in Marvel Snap. If I had to sp- uh, talk Marvel Snap specifically it would absolutely be Aurora, who I had the pleasure of covering- Mm in, in one of my videos I did for Second Dinner. Aurora would be like the meta card that I would choose from Marvel Snap, um, which I absolutely love. And honestly, I th- I still think Aurora's, like, hover animation's one of my favorite in the game. I think it's great. I hope they do- It's good some more stuff like that. And another thing I wanted to mention was there was one card that does this, by the way, Ash. There was one card that has the flag in it, and I'm like, "I've seen this before," and it's Wave. Now, this is the, this is like, I believe this is a Philippines flag. If I'm mist- Hold on. Maybe I gotta adjust the, uh, the split here. Hold on. Let me ju- I'm almost pos- Yes. Is that not the Philippines flag in the background here? I'm almost positive. I should have looked this up before. Yeah. Lauren, are you typing, are you typing where is Wave from? Yeah,

LaurenWhatevs 45:35

I'll double-check. You're right. You're

Alex 45:36

right. Yes, I'm right. Okay, good. So yeah. So Wave does have this exact art, and I think it's amazing, actually. This is literally the one I chose, except I had the golden variation of it. So I agree. Obviously, like I think this is great, and of course the Pride s- uh, the Pride stuff has been remarkable as well. They've been truly beautiful variants. So yeah, I, I love it. And Wave was an actual legitimate example of, like, this exact idea in motion.

LaurenWhatevs 46:01

Uh, you've got a Captain Carter variant, too, who has, you know, a UK flag behind her. And then- It's

Alex 46:07

true

LaurenWhatevs 46:08

and there's a bunch of America characters, right? The, uh, America Chavez herself, and Captain America, Iron Patriot. Like, plenty of America rep

Alex 46:17

Captain Carter was a good call-out. Yeah. It's on the shield too, and it's literally in the background, and I can't believe I actually had that variant too. What are the chances? Um- Such

LaurenWhatevs 46:25

a good variant.

Alex 46:25

It's... Oh, it's actually my favorite. Like, I often just keep the ones I get from the season passes. I'm not a variant chaser. I never have. I always want, like, one good variant for every card. That's kinda my goal. I want one really good variant for every single card. And then, but this one I got, and I think it's a 700 gold variant too. Like, I just pulled it from something. I was like, "I actually like that better than the, the theoretically more expensive one," right? The chibi ones, this is actually one of the better chibi ones. This is one of the better ones. I'm not-

LaurenWhatevs 46:51

Yeah, it's got a lot of energy

Alex 46:52

I'm not a chibi gamer, but the only other chibi one I truly love is Goliath's. I don't know why. Goliath's has a really good... I don't know. Isn't that not an awesome chibi?

LaurenWhatevs 47:02

Yeah. The What If season had, had good chibis. I don't know who did them, but off the top of my head, but they were good ones.

Alex 47:07

Very good chibis.

Wrap Up And Plugs

Alex 47:08

Lauren, it's about that time. We gotta say goodbye to the good people listening to the podcast. But before we say goodbye, after they go check out The Fourth Location, which will be linked down below, the beautiful website, how else can we interact with your content? Where else can we find you?

LaurenWhatevs 47:25

Fourth Location YouTube is a great place. I post silly clips there at least twice a week. They are some of the coolest combos you'll ever see in Snap. Go there, and if you like it, subscribe. Uh, you know, you don't have to if you don't like it. And then you can find me on Twitter and Blue Sky as laurenwhatevs.

Alex 47:41

Sounds good. Sounds good. And guys, it's your mission to check out The Fourth Location, the wonderful work that they're doing there, and of course, support our fellow content creators in Marvel Snap. Thank you so much for watching. I sincerely appreciate each and every one of you as always, and we'll see you on that next one.