Better Than Hearing Aids: Innovative, Affordable Tech For Hearing Loss

Today, I sit down with Michael Leung, CEO and founder of FLO TruBalance, to talk about his groundbreaking work in affordable hearing technology and the life journey that led him there. Mr. Leung shares how his bone conduction open-ear design is transforming the hearing industry by making high-quality solutions accessible for low-income individuals, seniors, veterans, and families. His product isn’t just cost-effective — it’s a life-changing innovation that helps people hear more clearly while also reducing challenges like tinnitus and discomfort from traditional hearing aids.

In this episode, Mr. Leung takes us behind the scenes of developing this technology and explains how it works differently from standard hearing aids. From amplifying sound through the cheekbone to offering environmental modes and dual volume controls, FLO devices provide new hope for people who can’t afford or don’t respond well to traditional hearing aids. Additionally, the new FLO devices will function as a Bluetooth device on which users can make calls or listen to music. We also discuss his partnerships with senior communities, nonprofits, and how his invention is already being pre-ordered worldwide ahead of its September launch.

Beyond the product, Mr. Leung opens up about his personal story — from immigrating to Canada as a child and losing his mother at a young age, to struggles with addiction, debt, and health challenges. His battle with partial blindness pushed him to create solutions not only for himself but for countless others. Today, his resilience, vision, and persistence are fueling a mission that could reshape the hearing industry and bring hope to millions of people who have gone without help for too long.

If you or someone you love struggles with hearing loss, this is a must-listen episode.

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Transcript

 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of Couple O' Nukes. As always, I'm your host, Mr. Whiskey, and today we are going to be getting into. Two different subjects that are tied together. The first is our guest backstory, the hardships he faced ones that many of us face, as well as the ones unique to him, and then getting into the product he made, which serves a niche of low income individuals, and that is.

A lot of people are affected by hearing and vision loss. In fact, it's kind of inevitable. It just happens as we age. But not everyone can afford to get the technology needed to fix their impairments, whether that's all the way or just aid in that declining vision and hearing loss. And so today we are here with Michael Leung.

So great to have you here. Again, serving Anish, I think is so important because no one should have to live with a disability or impairment just because they can't afford it, especially when there's so much money in the world going to so many other things. So I thank you for that and thank you for being here today.

And could you please tell us a little bit about yourself? Yeah, thanks. Thanks for the introduction and I can, uh, agree more with you on that, subject. Um, so I, I'm from Calgary, Alberta, Canada, and I'm obviously the CEO and the founder of the Flow Group, and we promote a new, healthy, and affordable way of hearing.

It's a unique way. It's the first in IS market, and we, we encourage seniors to adapt to this new technology that's life changing. And yeah, once again, we do cater to, uh, the low income families. 'cause not everyone can afford hearing aids or, uh. Uh, I can't qualify for hearing aids, and this works just as well.

So it's, um, it's a technology that I don't know why, uh, it took so long, you know, for people to think of. 'cause it's, um, you know, it's open ear technology, so I in the ear, so, so yeah, I'll explain more more about that stuff. Yeah. Yeah, I definitely want to get right into that actually. As in what makes it different from the standard hearing aid, you know, and you talk about open ear versus in ear, and can you kind of go into that?

For sure. So for mine, it's, um, so I'll show you. So it looks like a, this is what a bone conduction headphone looks like. Right. So you'll, you'll hear about like shocks and like maja, they're the biggest brands out there, but they can only listen to music on top of the phone. So a lot of, uh, athletes who wear that, right.

But I want to change it up and add an amplification into it. That AIDS hearing. So now you can use it for social interaction. Right. So, I tested a bunch of different prototypes over the years on people 10 to 95 years old from mild, moderate to, to severe hearing loss. And we found that with this open ear technology, not only are they, able to be aware of their surroundings.

'cause when you have anything in the ear, it's obstructing ear canal. It can cause direct pressure, direct damage. Right now this sits in front of your ears, above your cheekbone using bone conduction. So you are using the sound to amplify off the bones and it goes directly into the inner ear, right?

And these sound vibrations convert into electrical signals, uh, where the, you know, alter nerve, and cochlea it bypass that and the brain recognizes that sound, right? So if you still have a healthy inner ear or cochlea, you'll be able to hear sounds. And there's people with conductive hair loss end.

You know, it bypasses through the damaged parts with the sound vibrations, and it bypasses through that. It goes directly to the ear where they're able to hear. So I've seen many, many cases of people, with gun incidents or, uh, people had sicknesses where they lost their hearing.

When they wear this, they're able to hear like perfectly too. So, and because it's, open ear design, it actually helps tinnitus too, or tinnius. Tinnitus it's a external sound that only that person can hear, right? So muffled sound, buzzing sounds. We found that when people wear this, because it's an open ear, the sounds are an ambiance, kind of natural sound that comes to you.

It actually cancels out a lot of the, you know, the, the tinnitus too, right? Mm-hmm. Um, as I started working with seniors, we were noticing the participation levels were going back up because a lot of seniors don't wanna wear their hearing aids, even though they have 'em. So then, you know, they say it's uncomfortable.

It's um, they hate changing the batteries. It's so tiny, right. They lose about one or two of them every, like four or five years and they gotta replace 'em. Right? And they're five, five to $6,000 and it's coming outta these seniors hard earned money, right? So we decided to have something that's hard.

You can't lose this guy 'cause you could. Turn into a pretzel, you throw against the wall's not gonna break. So, you know, rechargeable, hands free, easy to use, couple buttons, so senior friendly. And this caters to people. All groups. Uh, I work with fire departments, mechanics, carpenters, anyone that's had

noise related, damage to their ears works perfectly for this. So this goes to children, autism, dementia. We work with everybody. So, and this is such an affordable price where it's two, $300, a fraction of the cause of hearing aids. And the comfortability people can wear for eight to 10 hours a day without feeling like, you know, any tightness on their head.

It just feels like it's a part of their, their head. So they just, you know, I've had presentations where people just wear my products off back to their room and I'm searching for my products after we're trying to find these seniors and they're just in their room chilling, not knowing it's still on their head.

So that's, that's how, that's how good it is, right? So. We've improved our products. This is my second product that's coming out in September, and, we added so many new features, so many new upgrades to it that, people are just blown away by it. Right? People are pre-ordering now already, and I've events set up for the next two months, just gonna senior homes, and just promoting and testing different, people with disabilities, right?

So. For sure. I know a lot of veterans suffer from ringing in their ears or, hearing loss from heavy machinery, steam flow, and all kinds of different, hazardous environments, industrial environments, and I remember. My neighbor, I helped take care of him. He is in his eighties and the first time he was talking about finally getting hearing aids and he was sharing the prices with me and I was just blown away.

I was like, why should, why does it cost several grand to be able to hear Right. Especially when we have so many innovations in technology as far as listening devices, and I know I'm personally not a fan of anything in my ears. I actually don't have air pods or anything similar. I have Bluetooth sunglasses and they.

Play the sound right outside your ear. And that's just my personal preference 'cause I really don't like to stick anything in there where it doesn't belong. So what I wanna ask is, is it adjustable in terms of the amplification? Yep. So the new one does. So, uh, the old one was a one size fit all one setting.

So when you put it on, everything amplifies around you. So there was background sounds right for the first product. Um, flow, true balance is what we call it. The 2.0, we added a smart noise reduction chip that's already built into the headphone. So when you put it on the amplification, minimize the background sounds too, which hearing aids don't even do.

So that's why this product right here, a lot of people feel like it's gonna transcend the hearing industry. It's gonna really, give the hearing aid companies a little, quite for their. You know, there's gonna be some healthy competition, that's for sure. And, because we are totally polar opposite of them in the look, the price, the feel, everything, it makes people excited for something new because the only thing they ever been told to use is hearing aids.

So I think they're almost like just sick of it, they're sick of how costly it is. They're sick of, even though they buy these things, they're supposed to correct their hearing. It doesn't even fully correct their hearing. And they're just left to either not wear it and now they have nothing to use.

Actually back to my product. So it does have the dual volume on both sides. So because there's both sides, you can actually correct the hearing to your level on each side. 'cause some people have one side of deafness, some people have one ear worse than the other.

Right? So that's an extra feature we added. Another feature we add in is, environmental mode. So there's an outdoor, indoor, and vocal mode. So you can actually change the setting to adjust the environmental sounds around you because when you go outside, there's gonna be loud cars and this and that, right?

So it helps balance out the sounds, right? Vocal is obviously when you talk to someone one-on-one, like a small group. Indoor is obviously like when you're inside a function or something, right? Because of this minimal minimalistic background sounds. That's what really draws people. When I started testing people at different innovation events, that's the first thing they notice that in these big groups, they're not hearing all these background sounds, and that's very important for hearing aids or hearing.

Right? Yeah. And that's what sets us apart. Uh, our first product is not gonna go, unnoticed because I started noticing that blind people could use something that, has background sounds. Because when you're blind, your sight is diminished, right? You need your hearing to be enhanced when you enhance your hearing.

You want to hear background sounds, you wanna hear the footsteps, you wanna hear the doors. You wanna hear what's, who's coming close to you. So now I cater my first product to blind communities and I'm working with big nonprofit blind organizations now that are actually thinking this could actually be something useful.

'cause it helps 'em navigate, it helps 'em be safe, it helps 'em be alert. So for one product that people wouldn't like background sounds. This group would love it. Now this other group that doesn't like back sound right now, I got this without background sound, so, so it's exciting, you know, um, yeah, it's, um, I feel it's weird 'cause everywhere I go no one knows much about bone connection.

No one knows much about open ear design and just doing events and really seeing people react to it and changing, the quality of life is really what I like to do. You know, drives me. Right. And just to clarify, so this does not also function as a Bluetooth device. Correct. So people can't expect to play music or take phone calls through it.

Correct. They can't do it too. They can do everything. They, yeah. Yeah. Everything. Plus my, my, uh, extra amplification. Yeah. Okay. That's what makes it, yeah. Yeah. That's what makes it extra special. Awesome. Yeah. So, I mean, an amazing product. Let's go back to how you ended up creating this in the first place.

And let's go back and kind of get some of your backstory. As I mentioned in very beginning. You went through a lot of hardships and I'd love to dive into that with you. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. Would, would you wanna start it? It goes far, far, far when I was a, with a little kid, you know? So yeah, we can, we can start with that, with just your childhood and that impact.

Yeah. So when I, immigrated to Canada when I was six years old, my mom and my dad left Hong Kong 'cause they were able to communist taking over. But, we left a little too early. It didn't really happen till the last like four years, right? So, we packed the whole family, came to Canada, didn't know any speak, any English.

But looking back, I didn't get bullied. I didn't get picked on. I happened to. Meet the right group of friends where, uh, it's a blend of multiculturalism. My best friend was East Indian and the rest of my friends were all Caucasian. So it really helped me learn the language much easier.

And that's why today I have no accent, but I first came big accent, you know, and I look different. I dressed, dressed different. Nowadays you people worry about kids getting bullied and picked on, right? That didn't happen till high school. . But what really changed my life for the worst was in when I was 12 years old when my mom got diagnosed with cancer.

So my mom was a loving mother, hugging, kissing, very nurturing mother. My dad was the opposite, right? We. Even today, we, we don't speak as much, but you know, I try to put a little more effort into it 'cause he's old. But, it's not in a very close relationship where other people's parents are close.

Right. Yeah, my mom was, was that person and, I watched her go through. Getting, you know, losing half her weight, losing her hair, couldn't recognize me at the end. And she died, uh, close to Mother's Day. Mm. So that really triggered me. And of course, when she died, it was like a part of me died with her.

And nothing was the same after that. I was a straight A student, in grade nine. And then, uh. After that, everything triggered me from, you know, some guy called me, like a mother er, you know, and that, that hit me. Some people might be, oh, I'm just kidding.

He is like, no, no, my mom died, you know? And the guy was just like, he's like, he didn't care. He's like, ha ha, mother f mother effort. I was like, so I was like, all right, let's fight after school. So we, we fought and the whole school was watching, so it was like the, the priest was watching. They all came up.

Oh, wow. It was a grade, it was grade nine. So I got my, my butt. Handed it to me, and I just kept, still kept getting up. I was bleeding everywhere. I just kept getting up trying to fight him. So with effort, you know, a lot of effort, I, I, I tried, but I, the guy was twice as big as me. Right. People were, you know, gave me respect and I was nerdy.

I had braces, you know, I had glasses, you know? Right. So, and then after that, people were writing my yearbook saying, good fight, da, da, da. And then that, that pumped me up. And I was like, yeah. And then. Throughout my entire high school. I was just fighting all the time, fighting, stealing, you know, I joined like a little misfit gang back then, and we were just raging havoc everywhere, do stupid things, ran away from home multiple times.

And then because me and my dad just never hit, you know, we never see eye to eye, you know? He had his way of raising me, which was more like military style, like lock you in the room, you know, put bars in your windows and I'll just, you know, unscrew the, unscrew the bars. Oh, wow. And sneak through.

Sneak through, and you know, go through the window. Yeah. And then, but, yeah, he had to call the police a couple times for missing persons and stuff. I was, I was quite bad. And, um, and then through my twenties, um. You know, I would, you know, heavy drinking, the addictions and, a lot of raves and parties and, I think for a big portion of my life I was just partying and not caring about my wellbeing and my health, probably almost died a couple times, you know?

And then I just, recently just started to be, uh, now I'm in nine months, sober. So like the alcohol was kind of on and off through my life. But when I met my ex-girlfriend of 12 years, she's my ex and now, but she changed my life and really guided me more. Two words a little bit, be more healthier, right?

And, uh, making better decisions because that was just. Dumb and naive and trusted. Everybody throw my money. Everywhere. People say, Hey, invest in me. Invest me. I don't really research or anything. I just say, Hey, he's my friend. Invest. And it all went to, you know, nothing, lost all my money. So, and I was almost bankrupt at one point.

Just go out, drinking, buying, buying drinks for girls. I didn't even know until I checked my credit card. I was like, minus, you know, $30,000. Couldn't pay it. I was two months blatant. My mortgage payments, my car payments. So I was about to lose my house in my car. And, I had to get some loans, from my family just to get by and, sold a couple of my houses.

Luckily I had some houses, right? Investments, but I had to take 'em for a loss, so I, I needed money. So, yeah, that's kind of my, a little bit of the upbringing, in a nutshell, right. Yeah. And so a, yeah, that's a lot. So a lot in five minutes. Yeah. Yeah. So what was kind of, I know you mentioned the ex-girlfriend being supportive and being a bit of a turning point and kind of realizing how far in debt you were.

So how were you able after, you know, kind of taking those losses and making some money to kind of turn all of that around? Uh, I think it was just step by step and I had to really, train myself mentally and like an awful lot of people, especially people that are toxic in my life. 'cause it's just a vicious cycle, right?

You hang out with people that are not better in your life. You're never gonna get anywhere. So slowly I just started, you know, um, making more, better decisions. With, with investments. 'cause you know, you would think that you'd be scared to keep investing, but, I'm a risk taker, but except now I do research, make sure I rarely do my due diligence.

Right. And, just make sure I don't fail. 'cause like, I didn't have any more margins of failure, you know? So, I started doing some, day trading, I did some real estate, you know, flip houses and stuff with my friends and they went okay. Um. Uh, and then yeah, had had a little nest and stuff.

And, so now of course my product today, like I took a big chance on that. I didn't know it was gonna turn out this, you know, well received, because hearing a site is so important, but, it really is amazing 'cause it's my first actual product I've owned. This is my own brand. So a lot of people take many tries, right?

So, or at least you know, two or three different products before they actually find the one they like. And this just happens to perfectly match what I love to do. 'cause I'm partially blind, right? So I have a retinitis pic mosa where I've lost my peripheral and my night vision on one side. So I have tunnel vision and when I met my ex.

That's when it slowly started happening and my eyes started diminishing. She'll see that I'm tripping, falling on stairs, walking to walls, doing stuff that she thought maybe like maybe my brain was damaged from like, fighting in all those years, but catching up to me. But, no.

And then I had a serious retinal detachment that really took me back too. So, I was almost told I'd be completely blind outta one eye if I didn't surgically get it repaired right away. And, luckily they did save my eye, right? But even then I had cataract surgery, and then, retinitis mosa.

So it's not gonna go away. There's no cure for it, and it could just get worse and worse. So, another reason why it drove a fire under my butt to find something now, because I don't know how I'm gonna make money later if I'm gonna be blind, right? So I need to. Have something I can, build up and have a nice, residual income or, main income coming in.

Right. So that's why I'm working so hard right now. Like, I sleep three, four hours a day, you know, but it's worth the success I'm getting so far. So, you know, how would you describe the moment where you thought of the idea for, for the product that you have right there in your hand? I mean. What happened was it you just woke up and you're like, bone conduction technology?

Yeah. Like what? How did that happen? Yeah, no. At first, so my family owns factories in Asia, so they did electronics, right? They did headphones. Anything you want them to get or make, they can source it out and have it made right. And I was just like, oh, you know, pitching things to my cousin, Hey, like earbuds, it's been done.

Oh, you know, my own headphones. Oh, it's been done. Like, she's like, you know, obviously don't try to manufacture something that's already been done many times. So I was like, okay. And then she's like, how about these bone conduction headphones? But then I looked, I'm like, there's so many people who are doing it too.

Right? But I was like, I really like this open ear technology though, because it's so different and it's something I think people can use in the future because more and more people now are getting, hearing loss and their ears are getting wrecked by these in-ear head buds or earbuds and headphones.

So eventually people are gonna start merging into these open here technology, which I've seen more and more people wear 'em everywhere now. Right. And I really liked that concept, except I was like, okay, how am I gonna make this different? And then I started kind of thinking my own ideas, and then I saw hearing aids and I was like, okay, what if I, they combine together where if we do something where you can have this hearing apparatus inside this headphone, right?

And for an affordable price. So everything started kind of, the wheels started turning, and then that's when I started. They start sourcing me to different manufacturers and then I would pitch it to them and it just happens that this one company was doing it and they were thinking the same idea, except they have not started selling it.

So I'm the one that is exclusive to it. They have seen my hard work and that I'm actually. The one pitching it and actually gonna make it global. Hopefully one day where it's gonna be at retail stores, Walmart Best Buy. Right. And, and that's what I want to do, is where people can just pick it off the shelf, wear it, and it improves your hearing without having to go to the audiology test and you know it's not gonna harm your ears.

And because there's different adjustable sounds, so if it just to the sounds that makes you comfortable. Right. Of course I'll have like little battles with different audiologists. Because they'd be like, we need them tested before this and that. 'cause they all have their theory, you know, but when I talk to people, they get their ears tested and it still doesn't work on them.

So these hearing aids are not even working after you test them. So why would they want to keep testing their ears? Right. It's almost like they give up, you know? So when they've heard this product and they tried it. Not only is it affordable, it works better or the same. So why wouldn't someone pick this up instead, right?

Instead of putting $8,000 in the hole, you know, it's is just a given, right? And especially most of the people in the world are low income, so you gotta cater to , the poor families. So people just barely getting by, you know? But they have nothing to use. So this is something perfect that they can use.

And we have grants coming in that can actually help people and, take care of most of this. Burden of most of these expenses, you know, Roy, and speaking of finances, I'm gonna have to ask you this question that if I'm a senior, you know, citizen or someone with a medical disability in my hearing, this is the first thing I'm gonna think about.

Is this covered by insurance? Are there plans in the future to work with insurance companies to get it covered? How does that work? Yeah, there is plans in the future for sure. So when I started looking into the direction of making it medical. I start crunching numbers and it wouldn't be two, $300, it would be more like in the thousands of dollars because now when you put it through testing, you have to pay for these tests and stuff, right?

So maybe a big part of it through, for the earing aid companies, that's why they charge so much. 'cause they have to put all these, through , these testing over the years. And of course they have a big, big markup, right? Because they have third, fourth parties selling these. They gotta make their money right.

So for me, it's obviously like directly through me. So I have the capability to maneuver the prices around and stuff, right? But I don't really need to make a medical, and when I talk to people, they don't really exactly. Care because it's so affordable that they can just use, um, right. Their insur insurance.

Some insurance have a miscellaneous thing where you can just buy anything. Right. Um, but the ones that don't, it's a couple hundred dollars. Most people can usually swing that. Yeah. And if they can't, we have grants coming in and there's certain brands, senior brands I'm working with that.

These senior locations can get these special grants, put towards their devices, right? So now they're paying $50 and they can get it for 50 bucks instead of 300. So that's a big, program that they can save a lot of money, right? And this you can use it, talk on the phone, watch tv, you know, socially engage.

That's a lot of things you could use it for, right? In your daily life, right? So big life changing thing for anybody. Right, and I know you mentioned in the future having it available on shelves and such. Right now it's only available online on your website, is that correct? Yes.

It's only available online for my first products, but my second one's launching in September. So we're actually revamping the whole website and probably by September, mid September it'll be available online globally. I already opened up 140 countries already, so it's open. For when it does happen. So that's why I do these podcasts, , in different countries.

So I try to, you know, get ex get exposure and I've sent products to different hosts and stuff where they try it on their family members and they love it. You know, they're like, this is such a big change, and of course some people can't even, you can even eavesdrop 'cause you could hear so far away, you hear people from other rooms.

So you got the sp spidey senses going on. But, I could, if I wanted to make it medical, but it does cause problems if you make it medical. I get what you're saying. When you wanna, when you go to Walmart, best Buy, 'cause it's, there's a lot of rules and regulations. Right. You can't just have medical products sitting on the shelf.

Right. So it kind of puts me back if I do that. But one day if I wanted to, I could, but you know, for now it's. People are still buying it. So I get what you're saying. And so will the interflow.com still be the same link for everyone to use come September and all that? Yep, yep. Same website.

Just be new pictures, new content, new blogs, et cetera. Like lots of stuff going on. Podcasts would be linked to it. Yeah. Awesome. And another thing, the name, how did you choose that name? When I thought of doing something that has to do with hearing, of course I was watching, um, Netflix.

It was like rhythm and flow, like the flow. I was like, I'm like rhythm. I was like, that sounds too long. Flow. It just sounded cool. Um, there's other people using flow, but there was nothing that was hearing related. So then my ex was like, oh, how about just take the W out to make it sound cooler? So it's just like, oh, okay.

So some people make a mistake, they'll put the inner flow with the W and then they never find the website. Yeah. So I would say, you know, without the w and our slogan is Power Up the Inner Flow. So it's like, you know, just, just go with the flow. It just sounds, you know, there's so many catchphrases that can come with it and, yeah, it's really been a blessing because I saw it go from, you know, a piece of paper, a little drawing to like manufacturing things.

Having a warehouse, you know, finally merging to a little warehouse later. Be a little bigger warehouse where you do third party, fulfillments and stuff. Right, right. But, but for now, I'm just doing it all. I'm the one driving around doing the events, dropping off stuff, and yeah, it's. You know, I need to, I need to remain in, um, maintain a healthy balance too.

So that's my next challenge is once I start getting this stuff rolling, right, I need to care about my own health because you know what is all this? If my health's not good, right? So, yeah, for sure. And what I'll say, point you kind of made is if you're someone listening and you've tried hearing aids and other devices, what more do you have to lose, right?

I mean, it can only benefit you. Worst case scenario, if you really felt like you're not hearing better, at least you got a new Bluetooth device to, listen to music and make calls, but I think it's a couple hundred dollars, right? Like you said, fixing your hearing and your vision. I mean, those are probably two of our most important senses.

And if you don't wanna invest a couple hundred dollars into fixing that, then I think that's more of a personal problem than a medical problem, you know? So I highly encourage everyone to check it out. Again, that's the inner flow.com flow, FLO, and we'll have it in the description below as well. And then you said September is the big launch of all the new stuff.

But I mean, even right now, you can go ahead and go to that website, check out some stuff. There's a bunch of information there. And I think this is amazing, especially, you know, trying to make it affordable for everyone. And I think it's definitely something that I'm gonna. Have all my old friends try out stuff 'cause I'm tired of them saying, huh.

Mm-hmm. What, asking questions again, you know, like after it gets a little, tedious after a while. But thank you for coming on the show and sharing and, definitely excited for the future of your product. And. We'll have you back on in the future, you know, after things have expanded a lot, make sure you, you're doing all right and, uh, for sure, I expect you when you come back on and say, I'm sleeping six hours a night at least.

Yeah. I'm, I'm no longer at three hours. I've, I've gone up to six hours, so, yeah. Yeah. Hope so. And hopefully my site gets better, I'm actually on a waiting list through this new trial that's supposed to improve this retinitis, so. I'm hoping because, I don't want it my central vision to be gone too, right?

So , that's kind of scary right now. But yeah, I think people need to take a risk in believing what they wanna do in life and really go for it because. You don't wanna look back and regret it. So for me, it's like I gotta run and grab it by the horn and run with it. So, yeah, I won't be surprised if 10 years from now I see you on the news.

You made a Bluetooth eye for helping people see, you know? Yeah, I see you doing something like that. So thank you for coming on the show today and sharing what you have. And I'm excited for the future for you, and I hope everyone listening, can listen better after this episode. So. Sorry. One more thing I just wanna say, um, since we're talking about tv, I'm gonna, I actually have a couple of TV shows that's gonna actually come up.

So one's called Legacy Makers, it's actually coming out probably January next year. And it's, 500 different entrepreneurs worldwide that have, , socially impactful stories and socially impactful products and services. So it, it's a spinoff of, shark Tank, and we filmed it in Miami.

It's gonna be on streaming on all major platforms in, in, in January. So I'll, I'll actually update that on my website. And then I'm also auditioning for Dragons Den in March. So that's what I'm hoping to get some airtime and actually. Pitch them something where I can actually have funds to do these retail markets.

Right. So yeah. For the legacy makers, are you being featured or you filmed that? You're the producer? I, I've featured in it. Yeah. I'm a cast. Okay. Featured. I'm a cast member and there's, lot of celebrities that are also featured too. So they kind start it and then bring us in kind of thing.

Right. But it's pretty cool. It's like a little mini. Documentary of our life kind of thing. Yeah. Awesome. So when that, well then when that comes out, then we'll have you on to talk about your whole experience with that. 'cause I'm sure that was, you know, that's an experience of its own. So we'll see you again, but, appreciate you sharing that.

Thank you so much. Have all the information below so people can check you out. Thank you. Thanks I.