Stop Catching Dinks and Target Above Average Bass on Any Lake

Are you struggling to find kicker fish when you travel to a new body of water? In this episode of the Serious Angler Podcast, we sit down with Bassmaster Opens Pro and Wisconsin native Andrew Behnke to uncover his exact system for locating above-average bass on completely unfamiliar fisheries.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:20

All right. Welcome everyone to the Serious Angler Podcast, where as always, our main course video will be talking and hopefully teaching you more about bass fishing. And of course, that comes with some rabbit holes here and there. Whether you guys are here to learn or just hear some bass and banter, you guys are in the right spot. As always, I'm your host, Bailey Igbrett, and today we are running it back with Mr. Andrew Benke. And I say running it back because we actually tried to take a stab at this a couple weeks ago. Uh Deacon and I had Andrew on, and uh lo and behold, unfortunately, iPhone uh service was was crappy and uh basically kind of sounded like a robot. We hoped that the local recording would catch it, be able to be clean, and then put it out as a show for you guys, but unfortunately that did not work out. So we had to scrap that show, and he was awesome enough to take time out to come back on here again because we wanted to get him on to talk about some of the big bass stuff, ways he was finding these fish down in Sam Rayburn and some of these fisheries, being a northern guy and coming down and being able to target larger than average fish. And uh we talked about a bunch of stuff, some deep cranking uh and how he was able to find those, some juicy nuggets in there. Uh, but uh thank you again to Andrew for taking time out. Make sure you guys subscribe to his stuff and everything down below. We'll get to him here in a second. Uh but for you guys, um for anyone that's getting their boat out that or is looking to buy a new boat, looking to refinance their current boat right now as they're getting it out for spring as uh open water up in the north officially. Make sure you guys give the folks over at Rec Lending a call. They'll be able to help you guys out on any boat buying purchase or on your current boat to see if you want to make it more affordable. Um, they're great people to be able to help you out for any of that, especially if you guys are doing the whole RV thing, any kind of your bigger, larger toys. Make sure you guys give them a call because they can help you out. But um, we're about to get into the show with Mr. Andrew Benke. Uh nothing for Bits from the Bass Boat this week. Uh, we'll have some more for you guys next week when I get Deacon back on here, as that is his lane. Um and what we got for you though is some new stuff from Omnia Fishing. Of course, if you've watched last week's show, you can sign up for the Seth Fighter uh giveaway, which is basically win a chance to fish with Seth. We'll have that link down in the show notes where you guys can go and enter that giveaway. They basically fly you up to go fish with Seth. Um but also Omnia Fishing has some new arrivals, some G-crack spinnerbaits. We got some megabats crankbaits, uh, some swim baits, they have some new Karachis. Um they actually have the Rapla DT12s on sale right now for$8. So take advantage of those and some other new stuff that has just hit Omnia. And there's always new sales going on every single week over at Omnius. Make sure you guys take advantage of that, especially if you're pro member. You'll be able to save 10% back into rewards to go spend on a future purchase, but always use code series 10. You guys will save 10% off your entire order. But um, great show. So let's get into it with Mr. Andrew Benke. Well, we got take two this time, Mr. Andrew Benke. Take two. Take two for uh for the people that are listening or tuning into this one on YouTube. Uh we actually ran it what was it two weeks ago, dude? We had you on, and it was like it was good for us through the phone, but for whatever reason, the recording like unless you want to hear a robot talk the whole time, it probably wasn't the greatest episode to listen to, which was a bummer because you unlocked some juice. But thanks for being awesome, dude, and taking the time out again to run it.

SPEAKER_01 3:46

Oh, dude, absolutely, man. Thanks for having me on. I I understand it's technology, dude. You can only control so much, you know. Things happen.

SPEAKER_05 3:53

Yeah, yeah. Well, and that Wisconsin stash, bro. We just had to get you back on again. The people just need to see it.

SPEAKER_01 3:59

It's probably gotten a little bit thicker since the past time I saw you.

SPEAKER_05 4:02

That's right.

SPEAKER_01 4:05

It hasn't gotten warm, so there's no reason to trim it. It just keeps getting colder. Like, we'll get those days that'll be up in the 60s, mid-60s, and if they pull the plug on it and it goes all the way back down into the 20s again. Yeah, it was snowing on my way back from the gym this morning. It's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_05 4:20

Yeah, we got a high of 35 here after it was 75 a couple days ago. So it's all over the place.

SPEAKER_01 4:27

What is going on, dude? It is wild. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 4:31

Well, dude, you've been traveling a little bit, obviously, since the last time we had young. You've been doing a little bit of fishing. Obviously, you went down, did some pre-practicing. Uh, it sounded like you got quite wet doing some idling, is what it what it looked like, anyways. But uh, what you've been up to, bro.

SPEAKER_01 4:46

Dude, I uh well, I went down to Kentucky Lake last week just to look around. Um, been to Kentucky Lake a couple times before, but just knowing when that event is gonna go down, I have never been on the Tennessee River in the summertime. So I just wanted to spend some time looking around and just trying to get familiar with like what I'm going to be looking for. Now, I yeah, I idled a ton, but it I will say, like, I don't do a lot of pre-practicing. The one year that I did a bunch of pre-practicing was when I qualified for the pro circuit or the invitations or whatever when I was fishing the Toyotas. Um, but otherwise, like I don't really do it a whole lot because I just like fishing in the moment and like going to find the fish, what they're doing right then and there, yeah, versus trying to, you know, because then I feel like you go to a place and you just have too many preconceived notions, you know. But this one was one of those ones that like I haven't I've never ledge fished on the Tennessee River. So I just wanted to get out there and idle around on some of the main lake stuff, some of the off, like not exactly main lake stuff, but like transition areas from where those fish are gonna come from spawning to working their way out. And I just felt like I needed to get out there and just put eyes on some of the stuff. Now, I did some fishing, um, I knew what the fish were doing, but I just really wanted to put my time in behind the screens and go look around. And let me tell you, for the people that live around Kentucky Lake, y'all probably understand this, but holy crap, does it blow? And it blows a lot. Like, yeah, I think it the forecast said it was like 20 mile an hour winds, but I beg to differ. It's like add 10 to 15 to all of that because I was, I mean, idling around, I was just getting drenched, and I had my Grundin's rain suit on pretty much the entire time. It was 80 degrees and sunny, but the water temps were still just like hovering around that 60 degree mark, so it was not exactly warm to be getting splashed in the face a bunch, but right we made it worth it, you know. Still was able to catch a couple fish, but you know, when it's blowing that hard, it's hard to fish on where those fish are. So, all I do know is the guys that are going down there for the Toyota series that's coming up, they are going to wreck them.

SPEAKER_05 7:08

That's all I know.

SPEAKER_01 7:10

They're gonna have some fun. There you go.

SPEAKER_05 7:12

For anybody listening, have fun.

SPEAKER_01 7:14

Yeah, you're gonna have a blast. Like, I really wish I could actually go down and fish in that tournament coming up. That would be amazing. Yep, but otherwise, man, I mean, that's been pretty much it. We've got open water up here in Wisconsin in a couple places. I've been hitting the ponds around here. Um, I do love fishing the pre-spawn, like all of our lakes have grass, so at least the ones that I've been fishing on. So it's a lot of like throwing a trap and throwing a chatterbait and just kind of working stuff really slow or working stuff really fast, and you catch a lot of really big fish this time of year. It's a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_05 7:49

Absolutely, dude. It's a it's a great time to be fishing. Like, and other locals here in New York joke about it, and they call it KVD season just because everyone's can be a hero in the pre-spawn, which is totally true, but like that's great. Like, that's fine. I'll take it versus the opposite, you know. Oh, yeah, it could be a lot worse.

SPEAKER_01 8:06

Yeah, absolutely. Like, everyone wants to go fishing and go catch fish, they don't want to go fishing and just spin around in circles.

SPEAKER_05 8:13

Yeah, oh no, the fish are dumb. Oh, terrible.

SPEAKER_01 8:16

Yeah, yeah. Oh, so yeah, it's like they haven't seen a bait in a couple months. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's what I like. I like big dumping.

SPEAKER_05 8:25

Yeah, exactly, dude. Do you feel like the the longer winters? Like you hear people talk about myself included, you know, the longer and the harder the winter, the better the fishing is in the spring. Do you believe in that?

SPEAKER_01 8:37

I do. I feel like those fish, like the colder it gets, they just get more dormant. They they're just a lot less active in the winter time. I know plenty of guys that catch them through the ice, they catch in largemouth on tip-ups and they're fishing for pike and stuff. But if you try targeting bass in the winter, I mean it depends on the fishery, but it's not the easiest thing to do because they're just not active, they're not like a pike or a walleye or panfish, like they're way more dormant, they save their energy a ton. But as soon as that water starts to warm, those days get longer, it's like a light switch. That ice comes off the lakes, and you want to be out there, you want to be on it because they are chewing somewhere. They are chewing and they're grouped up, and it's a it's a great time.

SPEAKER_05 9:21

Yeah, I don't know about for you guys. Like, I mean, I've been out a couple times and you know, smashed, but they're like still kind of moving slow, they'll eat, but they're moving slow. But I feel like I'm curious for you guys, but like what I've found in recent years has been like the magic numbers like 42, where like it goes from creeping something to burning a trap, like 42 just kind of seems like the magic number.

SPEAKER_01 9:42

Yeah, yeah. I think the coldest I've ever caught a bass on a chatterbait, I think it was like it was 40, it was right around 40 degrees, but you're crawling it so slow, like you're just reeling that blade is just ticking, and all of a sudden you don't feel the bite, your rod will just stop shaking, and then you just kind of load up into them. But yeah, I would say it's probably around that 42 degree mark, is where it starts to creep up. You get to 45 to 48, and that's when it's just like game on. Like it is so much fun. That's when you turn a light switch on a jerkbait, and they're on it, and you just twitch it really fast, and they just they just get mad at it. It's so much fun.

SPEAKER_05 10:26

That's what it's been around around here on the house was uh been catching some pretty pretty good ones and numbers with a jerkbait, but it's been like twitch, and you'd wait like five-10 seconds and then twitch, and then your jerkbait's on the bottom, and you can just see him just hovering on it, and you just watch your line slack, just go. Which you're like, maybe they barely got it, but then it's just like it's down the goal it and you're like so. Why didn't you just eat it?

SPEAKER_01 10:49

Like, yeah, yeah, it's like no, they're eating it. They're not just like I'm just gonna try it, and they're like, No, I'm eating that thing now. Yeah, they're just so pictures on Instagram, man. They are slamming that thing.

SPEAKER_05 11:03

Oh, yeah, yeah, it's incredible. They want to eat, they're just so cold.

SPEAKER_01 11:09

Yeah, yeah. I mean, they're they're probably thinking I'm burning all this energy following this thing. I might as well just eat it.

SPEAKER_05 11:15

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. A couple of them, you know, that I'm using live for. I'm just sitting there like, well, you traveled this far, you might as well eat the damn thing, right?

SPEAKER_01 11:22

Like you're under the boat now, like just eat the dang thing.

SPEAKER_05 11:26

Yeah, yeah, seriously. They're yeah, well, dude, we we wanted to get you on the the first go-round because you were hot off uh you know Rayburn and you dude, you kind of been on a big fish heater, and that was kind of one of the main things we wanted to talk to you about. So we'll we'll kind of run through some of that, but I'm sure we're gonna have some rabbit holes to to go down here too. But oh, for sure, man. Dude, I think first and foremost, I know we started off with the last time, but we gotta you gotta tell the folks the whole story of the 11-pounder, that freaking magnum that you caught on Rayburn. Start to feel it. I want to hear it again, dude.

SPEAKER_01 11:58

It was it was actually kind of cool because I haven't watched a lot of the live. And at Easter last Sunday, uh, my grandma hadn't seen it, my mom hadn't seen it, so we actually watched like just the morning section because that's where it really went down, and it was kind of cool to relive it again. But man, that school just had so many bass in it. I mean, it was the largest school of fish that I have ever found in my life. And to like just to kind of like prefess how I found that school is I I used my Garmin mapping app, the Active Captain app, to help me locate areas on Sam Rayburn that I wanted to check. And that was one of the areas that I had highlighted. And I pull up there last day of practice. I just caught a decent one in one of those drains a little bit up closer. I mean, not closer to the bank, the whole thing's close to the bank, but like a little bit further away from there. And I followed that creek that made that drain out to the main lake, and that's that's where that point was. And I set the trolling motor down. You know, I see one swimming, it's like a two-pounder. I catch that. I'm like, all right, there's some bass here, and then I catch like a five. I was like, Oh, all right, well, there's another boat. So I'm like kind of trying to hide the fish as I'm doing that, but as I go up to the front of the boat, I hit the trolling motor on spot lock and I watch the head turn around. I'm looking at my screen, and you just see dots everywhere. And it's just like, holy smokes! Like, there ain't no way these are all bass. There's no way, absolutely not. So I weigh that fish, get a quick picture, let her go, and I'm just like, I'm just gonna start casting at some of these things and see if they respond. Because a lot of times on on scope, if it's a bass, they'll interact with your bait to some extent. And uh, so I see one cast at it, she comes right up to it. I'm like, all right, I reel it away. And then I go around a little bit, see one a little bit bigger, cast at that one. She does the same thing, it hits the water, starts sinking down to her, start working it, comes up to it. I'm like, all right, start reeling that one away. And then I see three giant blobs. I'm like, there these are probably carp, but we're gonna make a cast at him anyway. I bomb my minnow over there, watch it sink down. It gets three feet above her head, and I start working it, and all of a sudden you just see her turn and start swimming. I'm like, oh my gosh. And I reel that thing up as quick as I can, set the rod down, strap it, and take off. Like, nope, I'm done looking here. I don't want anybody to see me here. Like, I just vacated the area completely. So obviously, like day one was pretty good. Like, I figured out the plug bite kind of like mid-morning, uh, just to kind of change it up because I was seeing those fish on the bottom. I could see them on scope, and like when they were up, you could get them to bite, you could get a couple of them to come off the bottom, but I was just getting swerved a ton. I was like, I gotta throw something to make these fish react. And I had a crankbait rigged up uh in the rod locker, pulled that rod out, and this is just when Chase came up to me in the camera boat. I'm like, Well, let's try this thing. First cast, I catch one almost four, and then like I don't know, less than five minutes later, I catch one six. And that was really was like, this is the deal, you just need to run with this. So I ran that out all the way to day three, and then over the first two days, you always kind of tried to figure out where those fish were setting up because how that spot was is you had a high spot, you had a drain coming to it, and then there was a channel swing on the other side, and they'd be feeding on the high spot, they'd be feeding on the two points that basically made like the saddle that was that high spot. They would feed in the drain, and they would also feed on the other side coming up to that high spot. So, like there was just fish everywhere, and you had to dial in where they were. And on day three, it took a little bit for me to dial it in, and as soon as I figured it out, you just kept repeatedly making that same cast. You try to make that same cast over and over again, and I caught one that was almost seven, and then less than 10 minutes later, I'm grinding that plug into the bottom, and it just goes boom, and I set the hook, and I just like, oh, that's big. That's really big. All I could feel is just wait, and she's like, I don't know, she was fighting fairly hard, but it wasn't anything like super crazy. It was it was about like the seven that I caught, and kind of the same thing, except a lot less like acrobatic. Like she came up, and while we're on the surface, I didn't see it because I had turned around to hit spot lock on the trolling motor, so I didn't really didn't even get a glimpse of how big this fish was until I had her doing circles in the back of the boat. I'm like, oh my gosh, this thing's actually kind of big. Like it's it's a decent sized fish. And I kneel down to grab her, and like she's out there doing circles. You can see it on the drone footage if you watch it on uh Bassmaster of how large that fish actually is. I can't see that because like I'm like at water level, and the next thing I know, I get her circling it up next to the boat, and I go to belly scooper, and my hand didn't even fit around the whole side of the fish. I'm just like, oh my gosh, and like split second, you know, drop the rod real quick, grab her by the lip and lift her in the boat.

SPEAKER_03 17:20

I was like, oh my gosh, how big is this thing?

SPEAKER_01 17:24

I was like, I mean, I didn't even know, like, dude, that's the biggest bats ever touched. I've never caught a double digit before. I was just like, huh?

SPEAKER_03 17:35

What is this thing?

SPEAKER_01 17:36

I was like, oh my gosh, this thing's a tank, and put it on the scales. I think on the scales it weighed like 11. I think it was like 11.6, 11.6. So it was, I mean, the it's hard to put it into words, like the feelings that were going through my mind. It was just like, holy crap, dude, this is the final day of the first opening of the year. You got a camera in your boat, you just caught your PB, and this puts you up around like I think I at that point I had like 28 pounds.

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SPEAKER_01 18:30

So that was when like I was still I was riding that high for a little bit, but then I really started to like realize 40 pounds is possible. Like on this spot right now, 40 pounds is doable, 40 pounds plus. Because if we thought about it, I caught well Ryland, who I was fishing next to, he had 28 pounds on the first day with like an 11.4. And I caught a six that that day. And then the next day, I caught a nine. And then, you know, on day three, and I had one on day two that was almost I think it was almost seven. I think it was like a six, you know, it was like a six point eight, like it was pretty much seven pounds.

SPEAKER_03 19:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 19:18

And then on the final day, I mean, I had one almost seven in the boat. I had an eleven, and then Ryland ended up catching a nine. So it's like there was a ton of big fish there. So I just knew that like it could go down, you know.

SPEAKER_05 19:36

Yeah, between those two fish at 11 and 9, you got 20 right there. You just need three fish to touch 20.

SPEAKER_01 19:41

Yeah, 340 much. Exactly. Like that that that was where my mind went after I finally put that fish in the box and calmed down a little bit. It's just like you were pretty far back. I mean, I had I think I had 48 something going into the final day. Like I had a pretty big hill to climb, but you catch 111, that closes the gap pretty dang quick. And you do that again, or one bigger, who knows? I mean, only God knows what could have happened, you know. So it was, dude, it was just such a blessing. The whole week was absolutely amazing. I mean, yeah, I uh I'm still kind of at a loss for words for it. I just want to go do it again.

SPEAKER_05 20:22

Yeah, I know. I bet, dude. Is that mean that is it Rayburn is that uh the top of the list for you for from a fishery standpoint right now?

SPEAKER_01 20:30

As of right now, yeah, it's pretty hard to beat, especially in the month of February, January, February, Rayburn's that's where I want to be. Yeah, I I've fished all over Florida and I love bass fishing in Florida, I really do. I mean, I love shallow fishing for them and just like throwing around a weightless sink, go around reeds, because you just never know what you're gonna catch. Like, you could set the hook on a seven-inch or it could be a seven-pounder, like you just don't know. But yeah, man, it I don't know. Deep cranking for big largemouth was just something that you know I've I've always read about, and it was really cool like watching the live with Keith Combs commenting because I remember watching him on Lake Fork, or not on Lake Fork, on uh well, yeah, actually on Lake Fork for in the uh Texas uh the what was it the TTBC, or not the not the Texas team Bass Trail. Which ones were they?

SPEAKER_03 21:22

The uh the Texas Fest.

SPEAKER_01 21:24

The yes, the Texas Fest ones. I remember watching all those. I remember watching him on uh it was on Falcon when he won on a I think it was a 6XD. You know, like the dude is just a crankbait legend in the state of Texas, and he lives right up the road. So it was really cool to see, you know, like him commenting, like what he was saying about it. And I don't know, it was just it was really surreal, man. It was really cool.

SPEAKER_05 21:47

Hell yeah, dude. Walk us through the setup for the deep plug. What are you rocking with on that? Like from down to the rod rhyme, all the if you had different trebles, all that.

SPEAKER_01 21:58

Yeah, it was uh um the rod is discontinued, it was made by a company that was out of Texas. Um, it's a seven foot eight medium heavy moderate, so it's a little bit of a stiffer crankbait rod, but that tip has a ton of play to it. I mean, I honestly, like most of the bites, like yeah, I could feel them. But I could load that rod up so much and had so much forgiveness to it. Like I honestly was not worried about losing a fish at all the entire time. And then I was throwing that out on a Daiwood Tula 200, a little bit of a bigger spool, bigger reel handle uh that really made burning that crankbait. It was a 6.3 gear ratio, 6.3 to 1. So like burning that crankbait down to the bottom and grinding it into the bottom as hard as I could. Um it made it really easy on me. Man, yeah, you're a little tired at the end of the day when you're casting that much, but it definitely eased the burden quite a bit.

SPEAKER_03 22:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:55

Um, and then I had 12-pound uh cigar in physics is what I was using. Uh just cranking with 12. Like I normally like up here when we do throw deep cranks, which isn't very often, I'm throwing it on 10. But yeah, after you're you know, like 12-pound bags up a little bit, you know. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 23:14

One in Rome.

SPEAKER_01 23:16

Yep, exactly, exactly. And then a Strike King 8XD. Um, I caught them on a couple different colors. Uh, the sexy blueback herring was the one that played the first two days, and then uh I caught my nine-pounder on it's the oyster color, I think is what it's called. It's like all white, it's got a little bit of blue accents on it. That was on day two because I lost the sexy blueback herring one.

SPEAKER_05 23:38

I just saw that in your video today, watching day two.

SPEAKER_01 23:42

Yeah, I and dude, how inexperienced of a deep plug fisherman I am. I don't have a clue uh plug knocker in my boat. Like I don't have any of that. Like I got crankbaits. That's about it.

SPEAKER_03 23:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 23:54

And then uh uh and then the other color that I threw uh was the Tennessee, it was uh Tennessee Shat 2.0. That's the color that I caught the majority of my fish on on um on day three, and then you know, swapping out the treble hooks as I saw fit with owners, yeah, you know, just matching the size that comes with them in the box for twos and ones and just trying to keep it as simple as I could, just one of sticky sharp hooks.

SPEAKER_05 24:23

Yeah, were you running the st36s or are you doing that Zowire stuff?

SPEAKER_01 24:28

It was the ST36s, yes.

SPEAKER_05 24:30

Yes, those are pretty tried and true.

SPEAKER_01 24:32

Yeah, yeah, you really can't mess them up.

SPEAKER_05 24:34

Yeah. Uh I've been dabbling around. I I kind of like that nano-coded stuff. Like I've been running a lot of the VMC troubles now with the red line ones because those are pretty nasty. Um, but owner makes one, it's like called the Zoe Wire, I think that those are pretty dang good too. I've been playing with those on on the traps past couple years and on different cranks that um or like I'll beef, I'll put a pretty large one on, like the back of a spook or something like that.

SPEAKER_03 24:59

Sure.

SPEAKER_05 25:00

Something about that nano code. Do you mean you're you they're more liable to break, but they are freaking sticky.

SPEAKER_01 25:12

Oh, yeah, dude. I I've played around with the G finesse ones quite a bit. Um, you know, I'm sponsored by Owner, but I I mean I still play around with a bunch of different treble hooks because there's certain scenarios that yeah, other hooks work better than you know than what you got. It is what it is. But so I played around a little bit with the G finesse hooks on like uh Vision 110s, yeah, just because they're such a fine wire, and like you said, they're sticky sharp. So I mean I I dabble, you know. We're all we all like to tinker.

SPEAKER_05 25:45

Well, yeah, I mean and at that level too, like I mean, that's just been kind of the arms race right now, dude, is not just technology, but like modifications, who can do something different. It's just especially officially like Rayburn where they've seen everything under the sun, like just doing something a little bit different can especially when you talk about hook land ratio, you know, that's huge.

SPEAKER_01 26:06

And so it's oh 100, especially with the level, you gotta do that. Yeah, yeah. Treble hooks are just one of those things that I honestly didn't put a lot of emphasis in. Um, and I think a lot of that just comes from lack of using those kinds of baits. Um, but then when I started traveling around with Laker and talking with Randy and just like the emphasis they have on hooks, you know, they they they have taught me a ton about how important like hook angles and just quality hooks are in certain scenarios.

SPEAKER_05 26:39

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SPEAKER_01 27:20

It's one of those things. If like like I will say, when it comes to like I ask Laker for advice, I mean, I pretty much follow it to a T because that dude spends a lot of time on the water, he's tested pretty much everything, and he's like, Hey, this is the best one that works. I'm like, I'm okay, noted. I'm gonna do that then.

SPEAKER_05 27:40

Yeah, noted.

SPEAKER_01 27:42

Why? He's like, I'm just gonna roll with it, dude.

SPEAKER_05 27:49

Right. Well, dude, uh, you know, obviously in the opens format, it's you know, your first priority being that you're trying to, you know, make it to that larger stage in the elite series is trying to obviously fill your limit. Um obviously those bigger caliber fish, I mean 11-pounder and a nine-pounder, those are gonna set you apart, um, you know, and and really help in the in the long run, not just for that tournament, but like when it comes to the points race, things like that. Um trying to come from somebody that's from the north and trying to find those bigger caliber fish in these fisheries that maybe you've never been to before or maybe only been to less than a handful of times. What's your strategy of trying to find some of those larger caliber fish once you've pinned down a way to at least get bites?

SPEAKER_01 28:34

Yeah, I I mean a lot of it comes down to off-the-water research. I I watch a lot of uh older tournaments just seeing how, especially like within the past couple of years, once technology really started moving towards the forefront. Um, I started looking at what guys are targeting, and I think a lot of it has come from you know, fishing up north, there's there's a lot of fish that you can catch readily, you know. I mean, they're hungry most of the year, but those bigger fish always key in on some sort of small intricacy around those same areas. So that is kind of something that I've taken across the country. Like, okay, I'm getting a bunch of bites here. There has to be something close to here where the bigger ones are sitting, right? So I guess what it what it really comes down to is just trying to find something a little bit different. Once you've found fish in an area, a lot of times, not all the time, and it also it depends on the fishery as well, but there is some little nuance in that area that is holding bigger fish. Yeah, I mean that could like I I've learned I learned a lot of that too, just up fishing for smallmouth, too. It's like you find a rock flat that is loaded, there's smallmouth on it all over the place. You find that one boulder that's just a little bit further away from everything, that's where all the big ones are sitting.

SPEAKER_05 30:00

Yeah, dude, that that is so perfect. So that was one of the things I was just gonna add to it was uh shout out to my boy Benjamin Nowak, who's out of Michigan, smallmouth hammer. And he always has lived by this theory that I've seen it happen time and time again. I've seen it happen with largemouth too. Um, I feel like largemouth are a little bit more likely to group up with the the majority of the school, but especially smallmouth. Like if you find a school of them that are all you know five pounds or less, meander around that area, not miles, but like a couple hundred feet, and you'll find, you know, say that all those fish are in 25. Yep, go down to 30. If you find like you were just saying, nail on the head of exactly what I was thinking. If you find one boulder, it might not be a lot of them, it might be one to three of those fish. Yeah, those are all the six plus pounders because they're kind of territorial and that they'll kind of be on their own. And that's one cool thing that I've I've I've tried and seen and have worked a couple times now. But were you like you're 11 and you're nine? Were they kind of in with that group, or were they kind of out on their own, too?

SPEAKER_01 31:08

They were in that group. Yeah, dude, that that the on the final day, I think I was making the same cast, and it was every cast for a long time, and then I catch that one bigger one. It was about a seven something, and that or no, six something, almost seven, and then I was just making that same cast over and over again, and that's when that big one hit. It was all in that exact same area, but those I those fish down there were just acting a little bit different. I think a lot of it had to do with the water level, so they were intermingled. Yeah, I mean, the the lake was nine foot low when we were there, and I would, I mean, I'd go from catching two pounders to a nine, you know, like it was just you never knew that that you just kept casting, and that that was one of those exceptions to like the rule that we were just talking about. It just really seemed like those big fish moved in and moved out while a lot of the other fish just kind of stayed. I I think those bigger fish were a little more transient because you could get them to bite, you know, it in very small windows. Yeah, like it's not like I I will say when I caught my nine on day two, it was like I caught that one and then I went a while without another bite. And that's kind of what happened on day three after I caught the 11. Then all of a sudden it's like I went a while without another bite.

SPEAKER_05 32:35

Oh, they were just the last to go. They're like, ah, fine, pull my arm, I'll eat it.

SPEAKER_01 32:39

Yeah, but like what like any other time you pull up to an area when you're for example, smallmouth fishing, most of the time you catch your biggest one right away, right?

SPEAKER_05 32:50

Seems it, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 32:51

The first to bite because the big ones gotta eat, like the big one's gonna push all the little ones out of the way to eat. This was the complete opposite. It's like you catch a bunch of little ones and all of a sudden seven, eleven, like what complaining about it, but it was not at all. It was it was what kept you going over and over again because it's just like you you literally don't know what your next bite's gonna be.

SPEAKER_05 33:19

Yeah, it's kind of like Florida in that regard, too. You just cast and you get 12 inch or 12 inch or 12-inch or eight.

SPEAKER_01 33:25

Yeah, and what and like that's the thing that like made me sit in that spot so long. It was something very similar to that because they are Florida bass. When you find a school of bass, I mean this might be completely different, but this is my inexperience with it. It's like I found a school of bass, there's gonna be a couple big ones intermingling in here. At least that was how it worked in my mind, right?

SPEAKER_05 33:48

Yeah, it makes total sense, but it's cool to see how those work. I I find it too that it's once you get to spawn and beyond, that's kind of when I feel like some of those bigger ones become a little bit more territorial. Obviously, like you know, TVA might be a little bit different, you know, where you get on a ledge school, it might be kind of similar where it's you kind of just gotta run through them. But it seems like some of these other fisheries, it's once spawn is over, they're kind of like, all right, get get away from me. Yeah, get away from me, Pip Squeak. I don't want to be around you anymore.

SPEAKER_01 34:18

Oh, 100%, man. I I agree a hundred percent. Like they want those big fish want to be on their own, yeah, or with other fish of their size.

SPEAKER_02 34:25

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 34:26

The pre-spawn is one of those stages because like all of those fish are going one place and they're pushing up shallow, yeah. So I feel like that's why they get intermingled together is because they're all going to the same destination, right? They might not all get there at the same time, but they're gonna hang out together for could be I don't, I don't even know. It could be a day, it could be a week. Who knows? Yeah, all depending on weather, moon phase, pressure, all that stuff.

SPEAKER_05 34:55

All right, staging areas a staging area for a reason. Yep, yeah, yep, yeah. Well, dude, um, one of the things we talked about last time that I want to bring back up, and because obviously you're you're a firefighter, you know, by day. Well, depending on your shift, I guess by night, technically, but what it sounds like, yeah, uh, but uh on that, I mean, dude, thank you for your service. But uh also too, like one of the things we talked about was like, dude, that's that can become a very high stress job very quickly. And the one of the things with tournament fishing is it's fishing in general is 90% mental. We hear that all the time. And how much do you think being able to be in your job and having that high stress environment help you when it comes to tournament day and you're on the water and you need to make those decisions, or it's you know, an hour left in the day, you only got three in the box, and obviously the voices start to creep in from most people. Do you feel like that helps you?

SPEAKER_01 35:50

I I feel like it plays a role in it for sure. Um, just being able to handle stressful situations, like when you hook a giant, not freaking out about it. But I I do also feel like another thing that really helps that is just spending a lot of time on the water and putting yourself in those situations where you need to make a split decision, or it's one o'clock, you have three fish in the boat. It's like, okay, what am I gonna do? I think it coin it like they work together because, like, for one, you have the experience of just being on the water, you know, or you have ideas of like what you can go do to make something happen, but also the side of the job and being in stressful situations is like you're not freaking out. You're just like, okay, I know what I have to do, just go do it.

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SPEAKER_05 37:06

Yeah, your voices might be in the head of like, hey, you gotta go catch them, but like you're not reacting to those voices in a negative manner.

SPEAKER_01 37:14

100%. And that's been a learned trade for me. I mean, dude, I I've been a firefighter for eight years, but I will, I mean, I've been fishing on like a I will say a higher level in tournament fishing for I think this is like my sixth season really traveling around, um, including the Toyota series, the Pro Circuit, and then the Opens. But there was a couple tournaments there where I've like I've crashed out, I've spun out. You just begin making bad decisions and you get in a bad rotation and things just aren't going your way. But I will say, I feel like now, within the past, I would say the past year and a half, that I can really minimize the crash outs just from experience on the water and just being able to be like, okay, make a move, don't sit here and just get stagnant, do something different, whether that's completely moving, changing tactics, changing bait colors, like just if it pops in your head, do it. You know, like it's just things that I've learned over time spending on the water and being in those stressful situations.

SPEAKER_05 38:21

Yeah. Yeah, and it's it makes you more efficient too, or it's from a time management standpoint, makes you more efficient. And like you just said, decision-wise. Um, yeah, the more you put yourself like I've had for whatever reason in recent, I've had a lot of overwhelming, like overwhelming amount of messages, you know, asking about you know tournament tips. Like, I'm just getting into tournament fishing. Do you have any like tips for it? I'm like, you just gotta go do them. You just gotta put yourself in a situation because you gotta know one is you can't be afraid to fail, and two, you have to accept the fact you're going to fail, but that's where you're gonna be able to learn from that. It's gonna sting in the moment, but like the next time you're in that situation, it's gonna help you adapt. Same goes whether you're fishing a tournament or not. You know, it's uh you're out fun fishing, you go catch like you're talking about, you would catch a big one, then you just not catch anything at all, and you're gonna go through those windows, and that's where you can kind of like start thinking, okay, I've been in this situation before. I did this, this didn't work. Let's do something completely different this time. Yep, you'll you'll remember those adjustments and be able to not nail it every time, but like you'll your ratio of landing on them again will start going up once you start, yeah, kind of putting yourself through it anyway.

SPEAKER_01 39:30

100%, man. If you're going out on the water and you're not learning something, like even through your failures, like, yeah, okay, you failed, you didn't catch your limit, you know, or you brought in a small limit. Like, well, what did you learn? You know, take those experiences, put them in the bank, and then because it will happen again. Oh, yeah, it happens to all of us, you know. We all have tough tournaments. It there's if you do this long enough, it's going to happen.

SPEAKER_02 39:55

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 39:56

It's how you adapt and overcome going into the next one and the next one. Like, you don't let those linger, you just kind of take the mistakes that you that you did and learn. Keep going. And the only way to do it is by doing it.

SPEAKER_05 40:10

Yeah, that was one of the tips I was given pretty early on that's really helped me was you you can take this as serious as you want or as kind of nonchalant, but like every time you get off the water, you should be able to in your notes on your phone or in a notepad, write down one thing, it could be super small or a pretty valuable tip that you learn from however good or bad the day went. But like on the drive home, you don't you don't have to write it down, you don't have to take it that crazy, but like on your drive home, look through your if you're serious about learning, which is kind of what this podcast is the foundation of it is. Uh just think through your day. What is one thing that kind of popped in your head that you didn't knew or you learned or that maybe sucked? You're like, hey, maybe never throw this bait again. This thing's a piece of crap. Like, could be as simple as that.

SPEAKER_01 40:58

That you could be something, it could be even like a color. I mean, or it could be a certain size hook or a style of hook. Like it can be it can literally be anything. Oh, yeah, like even from having a great day on the final day on Rayburn. One thing that I did learn is like, I gotta put that. I you have to put the plug down sooner. When they're not biting it, they're not biting it. Try something else, you know. There, and I have a couple other ideas of things that I could have tried, things that I could have done just to see if I could get a couple more big bites. Um, but you're not gonna know that unless you go through it. Yeah, and let's be real, it's pretty hard to put down a bait that you've weighed in almost all of your weight on. Doesn't matter what the conditions are, you know.

SPEAKER_05 41:43

Well, yeah, and to go leave a spot like that you were on. It's very hard to leave that. But if the fish aren't biting, you gotta go. Like you gotta go do something else. Yep, and that's that's a great question to you, man. Is in your mind and your experience, like you you see a lot of fish like that, and they shut off, like you were saying, and they're not eating anything. And say say you're not you weren't in the position that you were in, and it's you got three in the box, whatever. And are you first gonna try switching colors, or are you like what when does the your internal clock tell you time to go do something different?

SPEAKER_01 42:20

Well, that kind of all depends if I can use scope or not, you know. Like if I'm watching them, like say, for example, a minnow minnow bite, where they are absolutely choking a certain color and a certain size, say it's like a gizzard shad um six-inch minnow. That's the color that they're choking, but all of a sudden they just start tailing off on it. First thing I'd probably do is change the color and then start changing size or start changing weight of the jig head. You know, same with the jerk bait. If you're watching them react to it and they're coming up to it and they're not biting, I would change a color first before changing a size. Um and then like say without scope or anything like that, like you're you're casting at a rock pile. You catch three or four fish off of it pretty quick, and then all of a sudden it stops. Like throw something else in there. Like throw a Texas rig. Or you know, reel something over the top of it, slow roll a swim bait over it, you know, just keep changing because a lot of times you don't catch all the fish that are there.

SPEAKER_03 43:28

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:29

Unless it's a single piece of cover, like a lay down or a stump or something like that. That's an exception. But you you just gotta stay fluid with it. And I I've just kind of come to the it's kind of a it's a Kevin Van Damme mentality that I really have learned from watching him and listening to him for a long time is that if it pops in your mind, do it. The worst thing that can happen is it doesn't work, but the best thing that could happen is it completely changes your day. Yeah, you know, and it like we were saying, that could be as simple as a bait, it could be a color, it could be a size. If you're feeling like you have to do something, give yourself the time, sit down, rig something else up, and just try it.

SPEAKER_05 44:10

Yeah, that's what was it? I think it was Polynic with the five second rule. Whereas if there's an idea in your head for longer than five seconds, you should probably do it.

SPEAKER_01 44:19

Yep, yep.

SPEAKER_05 44:20

Because that's your gut talking to you and saying, Hey, yeah, trying to do that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 44:26

And there is a fine line too, as far as like moving areas, too. I was taught a long time ago by Scott Beattie. He was one of the Mercury Service decks, good family friend of ours, fished tournaments with him offshore with him and his two kids, Kirk and Cody. And uh he always told us we're not leaving fish to find fish. Because at some point they gotta eat. And there are still times, even in bass fishing, that that does play. Certain times of the year, those fish just go like when earlier that morning, every single day in that open, there was a window that they bit. They'd shut off, they're still there, like you're still seeing them, and then they'd turn back on again. The bite really didn't shut off until like 10 o'clock. And I I just kind of set barriers on myself. Like, if you go this long without having a bite, you need to move in that tournament. That's how I felt just because of the size of the school that I was on. I mean, and I it it that window shrinks depending on time of the year, body of water, and species of bass that I'm catching. Yeah, you know, you pull up to a rock pile and you're basically targeting smallmouth. If you don't if you hit all the good angles on that rock pile in three forecasts and you don't get a bite, on to the next one. Because the smallmouth is gonna let you know that they're there.

SPEAKER_05 45:47

Yeah, yeah, that's for danger.

SPEAKER_01 45:49

Yeah, so it's just one of those things that I learned a long time ago, and there are still times that that applies, and other times you got a run and gun. And I I see that style a lot more prevalent when it comes to individual pieces of structure, like a rock pile, a boulder, a brush pile, um, like a point, you know, like shallow points where you hit it, you're cranking, or you throw a wobble head on it, then you roll on to the next one, and then do it again, like you're just bouncing, you're running and gunning all over the place. Yeah, when it comes down to an area kind of thing, it takes a little more time to come to that consensus because you really want to break down that entire area. You want to try a couple different tactics, do everything you can to get every single bite that you can.

SPEAKER_05 46:32

Makes sense. That's awesome, dude. So if you you had one tip for somebody that say that they're on fish, they're around fish, they can see them, whether it's technology or not, they're in a fishy area, you know, they change baits, they haven't caught them. What is your one tip for that person to then start getting bites again?

SPEAKER_01 46:55

Uh either slow way down or speed way up. One of the two. And it's one of those ones that you gotta kind of try both.

SPEAKER_03 47:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:06

Because uh, like say you go to a place like Florida, and you're catching catching a bunch of them on a chatterbait or a spinnerbait or some sort of like reaction style bait, moving bait, and then you stop getting bit. Pick up a Cinko, pick up a D-bomb, start flipping around, start plunking around, just slow way down. Turn your trolling motor down and just start picking apart everything. You'll be amazed how many fish are still in the area. I love it because I had that happen to me on Okeechobee for our open in was it 24 when we were there? I spun through this area so fast with a swim jig. I caught one three-pounder, and that was all that I weighed in that day. I put a drop shot in my hand with the missile baits magic worm and just went to flipping at every single reed head. I had my limit in like a half hour, and I continued to catch them in that area for a long time because I literally just fished, I fished over all of them, just going way too this time of year, uh, up north, fishing shallow grass when that water temp is like just teetering, that really good water temp. Say you're moving something kind of slow, you're slow rolling a chatterbait, catching a couple fish on it, but it's not that great. Well, you pick up a trap and just start casting out and burning it back as fast as you can, and they start choking it. Like you just gotta do something to change it up a little bit.

SPEAKER_05 48:41

Change up cadence, change up speed. Don't stay out of that middle ground that you've been living in. I like it.

SPEAKER_01 48:48

Yeah, whatever you're doing, stop doing that.

SPEAKER_05 48:51

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:53

I love it. Just go do something else.

SPEAKER_05 48:57

I love it.

SPEAKER_01 48:58

Well, dude, as we wrap this sucker up, I'm guilty of it too.

SPEAKER_05 49:03

Yeah, no, I think a lot of us are. Every angler does it at some point. Is uh oh yeah, kind of it it's hard to you're spinning your wheels, and it's hard to get out of that.

SPEAKER_01 49:11

But you're sitting there thinking, it's like, well, I've caught so many fish doing this. Why don't I just keep doing that? I'll catch more. It's like, well, did you ever think that I mean they need to see something a little bit different because they're getting conditioned to it, getting buzzed over their head like that over and over again? Yeah, try something else, right?

SPEAKER_05 49:29

And they've seen it for the 300th time. Yeah, yeah, something new.

SPEAKER_01 49:33

It and that is especially true when it comes to pressured bodies of water. If they're seeing a number of different baits, try something different. Yeah, you know, could be a color, could be a cadence. I would say speed is mainly gonna get you a lot of bites. Speeding up or slowing down, one of the two.

SPEAKER_05 49:53

Yeah. Well, dude, uh, you're one of the few guests that get this question twice because it's we usually ask it when it's your first time on the show and it's what we do and we wrap things up, but um, which you had a stellar three, so it was unfortunate. Uh, we'll see if you can remember them. I don't think. But yeah, if uh if you can invite three people to dinner, have a steak, have a beer, pick their brain. You know, the people know the the ropes of this, but they don't have to be uh in fishing, they'd be alive a thousand years ago or alive today. Who would you invite?

SPEAKER_01 50:25

I remember my first one was Jesus because yes, I just got a lot of questions, life questions, fish questions, just nature questions in general, why certain things are the way they are. I just want to talk to him and about so many things, yeah. Um, Mark Zona was one of them too. Um man, he's just been he's been in the industry, he's seen it all, he's a heck of a fisherman. He, I mean, I just I would love to pick his brain and sit down and just get the nitty-gritty on not just catching bass, because he's really good at that too, but the industry side of bass fishing because there's so much that the average person does not see what goes on behind closed doors in this sport that I would just love to know. Yeah, and then I gotta think, there's one more, obviously. Hmm, who would I want to? I would love to spend a day in the boat with Bill Dance and eat dinner with him too. Yeah, you know, like just agree.

SPEAKER_05 51:30

That was what it was in the last time. Was it? Yeah, oh dang.

SPEAKER_01 51:35

I was the first two, I didn't know who the last one was, but I I always thought um just same kind of the same deal with Zona, but I want to understand like where the sport came from, and that could be, I mean, Bill, Jimmy Houston, Hank Parker, you know, even uh Johnny Morris, like sitting down with all those guys, just understanding how this sport started and really getting a grasp of what it means to so many people, because we're a very niche group of people who really love tournament bass fishing, but there's there is a ton of us, so it would just be really cool to see the history of how it all developed and like even watching the formation of certain rules, you know, like it would just be a really interesting conversation.

SPEAKER_05 52:23

Yeah, who's to blame for certain rules?

SPEAKER_01 52:26

Yeah, I want I want to know names because you know there's names behind every single rule that has come out.

SPEAKER_05 52:31

Absolutely, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 52:33

This one's the Poche rule, and yeah, you know, this one is whatever, yeah, whatever, you know.

SPEAKER_05 52:39

I know Roland Martin apparently is a for a reason for a lot of them. Yep. Um, but yeah, it's it's a cool part of the history of the sport, but uh yeah, great three. Yeah, there's no shortage of stories, that's for dang sure. You'll be quite entertained. Um, but uh man, again, thank you so much for taking time out a second time to come on the show. Absolutely, man.

SPEAKER_01 53:00

Sorry we couldn't make it happen a little bit sooner.

SPEAKER_05 53:03

No, it's all good, dude. It's technology's fault, none of our fault here. But it's good to get you on here, man. Obviously, we're fans of you and keeping up with you, man. And uh obviously your social links and all that stuff we'll include down below, and people need to go follow you, subscribe to you, keep along with the your adventures. And um, where's next for you, man?

SPEAKER_01 53:22

Uh, I go to Grand, not this upcoming Friday, but the following Friday. I'll be there for the next open. And it's a no-scope tournament, but it's on Grand Lake, shallow rock. Like, I'm I'm pumped. I'm very excited to get back down there.

SPEAKER_05 53:39

Heck yeah, man. Well, dude, again, appreciate it, and uh, we'll be talking to you soon.

SPEAKER_01 53:44

Absolutely, man. Thanks for having me on. Really appreciate it. You need anything, holler at me.

SPEAKER_05 53:48

All right, man. All right, guys, that is gonna do it for today's episode. Mr. Andrew Benke again. Thank you so much to Andrew for taking time out again to come on here. Looking forward to getting him on another future show and hopefully getting out his way this summer, actually do a little bit of fishing with him. But um, great show. Hopefully, you guys were able to take some nuggets from that. Make sure you guys like and subscribe to his YouTube channel, uh, his social media pages again that's linked down below. And uh all the stuff we talked about, like this, the 8XD and the Rod. Well, the Rod is discontinued, so we can't link that. But any other baits that we talked about in this episode will be linked down below to Domnia Fishing. You guys can use code series10, save 10% off of that. But uh, thank you guys so much for taking time out of your day to come on and join us here. We will have a seriously western show for you guys coming up this Monday. I'm actually traveling to Cattle Lake uh down in Louisiana for a tournament next week, so I'll be down in Louisiana. Uh, but we will have shows for you guys coming up while I'm traveling so that you guys don't skip a beat and uh we'll have some fresh stuff for you. We will have a Monday night live coming up next Monday. That'll be Monday the, hold on, I'm pulling up my calendar. Monday the 13th. We will have a Monday night live for fantasy fishing for the Arkansas River Elite event. So we'll have the boys on live. That'll be on YouTube or Facebook. You guys can come join us there. We'll be giving away some Sirius Angler hats and some uh the bass boat hats, which we have right here for the folks that are watching on YouTube. Some of our limited edition lifestyle stuff, but you can always grab the apparel on our site, Siriusangler Network.com. Well, we have some cool stuff in the hopper. Hopefully, to see you guys then. Appreciate y'all as always for listening, and we'll see you on the next one.