Winning Tournament Strategy + Coike/Urchin Bait Fishing Tips

Are you looking to build elite consistency on the tournament trail? In this episode, we sit down with West Coast pro bass angler Ty Manterola to break down exactly how he approaches highly-pressured tournament waters and continually puts massive bags on the scales at events like the WON Bass Clear Lake Open and the BAM Trail.

Ty drops a masterclass on his tournament strategy, how he breaks down new water, and his elite approach to mid-strolling using forward-facing sonar. Then, we get into the juice: The Hideup Coike. This spiny, urchin-style elastomer bait is taking the bass fishing world by storm, and Ty reveals exactly how to rig it, where to throw it, and why bass absolutely lose their minds over this unique Japanese creature bait. Whether you are throwing it on a drop shot, Neko-rigging it for suspended fish, or dialing in your finesse presentation, this technical lure breakdown is one you don't want to miss.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:20

All right. Welcome everyone to the Serious Angler Podcast, where as always, our main course for you will be talking and hopefully teaching you more about bass fishing. And today we have another special edition of Seriously Western, as always, with the man from out west, Mr. Adam Deakin. As always, I'm your host, Bailey Eichbrett. Deke, another episode in another episode with uh one of the most consistent in the West today, Mr. Ty Manarola.

SPEAKER_03 0:45

Dude, no doubt. Guy is on an absolute tear in his young career. He uh, as far as as far as tournaments go, unbelievable amount of you know, top tens, top fives, top threes, top twos, like his wins coming, but holy cow is he consistent.

SPEAKER_01 1:02

I think outside of perspective, like that's a hell of a resume so far. But I think both the competitor and us uh can understand how maddening that probably could be too, is being that close and still not getting the trophy yet. But again, it wouldn't trade it for anything, but you can I can definitely you can see on his face after each one where it's like the voice.

SPEAKER_03 1:28

Right. 100%, man. No, I feel for him heavy there, but again, he's consistent. Uh it's just a matter of time. You know what I mean? Can keep stacking those and one's gonna go his way.

SPEAKER_01 1:39

Yeah, I mean, you when you have that heavy of a percentage of being there on championship day, it's only a matter of time. Yeah, you're just working with a smaller dartboard, that's all it is. But it's uh we talk a lot about uh tournament strategy, what's made him so consistent these past couple years. And like we were kind of talking about, uh there is a lot of talent out there from an Angle perspective. But uh what separates the people from a tournament standpoint is not just mechanics or anything like that, it's it's between the ears and the strategy and the time management, and that is really what Ty dives into on this one. And of course, you can judge by the title, we get into some coikie talk, the hottest bait in bass fishing right now. We dive into that a little bit, but uh we have some pretty pretty badass conversation, Deke, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_03 2:26

Yeah, to your point, man. I mean, there's an entry level of skill set that's required at as you go up in levels of of tournaments of just like knowing how to flip and knowing how to cast well and like all that. That's everyone has that baseline for sure. Then there's like the the separator is the mind, and uh you can make up for maybe not being the best person to skip a bait under a dock if you can be better at decision making, right? So, like that's the exactly what you're talking about, and we get straight into it with this guy.

SPEAKER_01 2:56

Absolutely. Well, dude, we'll save some more of our uh current events, things like that for our Wednesday show. We have Jacob Fouts coming on, and as well as next week's show, and we can get all caught up as you've been all over the place. I've been all over the place. This week I'm gonna be on the water almost all week. I got two two hooligans from the south coming to visit, which people will see all that content here soon. But um, I think we need to get right into this one with Mr. Ty Manarola. Well, folks, we are back with no stranger, especially to the seriously western segment here, Mr. Ty Manarola, who uh bro, just to kick things off, it looks like you've picked up this year where you left off last year, and that's second place. Brutal brutal thing made the shooter hurts.

SPEAKER_03 3:47

By the way, it's incredible. Yeah, yeah, dude. This is not a feat to finish second.

SPEAKER_02 3:52

So, man, I actually got third at uh at I was gonna say clearly jumped me, jumped me a little bit too.

SPEAKER_01 3:57

Oh, see now that makes me look like the idiot then because I totally thought you got second.

SPEAKER_02 4:02

No, no, it sure felt like I did, but no, uh, no, Tui got me. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:08

Look, there's many people, including myself, that would kill to land in the top three every single event, which it really seems like you do, bro. So it's like a lot of people end up in 50th, which is what I'm on this year. So take the thirds and the seconds while you can.

SPEAKER_02 4:23

Yeah, no, no doubt. It's really hard to be mad. I mean, 90 pounds for three days and getting top three against. I mean, I was like, I was going through the list and I was like, dang, I beat that guy there, like that guy, like people that are just constantly like the best fishermen on clear lake, you know, like good buddy Nathan, John Pearl was able to finally beat them in a tournament for the first time in my freaking life. So I can't be mad. Like it was it was a great week, and everything's gotta go right. And that final day just seemed like nothing could, and it was still super fun, super fun week for sure.

SPEAKER_03 4:53

Man, well, I think we don't need to go full depth on Clear Lake. I think the show's more just about consistency in in finishing at this level right now. But would love to hear just a little recap of the event um and and how things went for you.

SPEAKER_02 5:11

Uh, it went good. Uh, I mean, talking about the consistency thing, I've really learned early in my career that it pays absolutely zero dollars to win practice. And I've um I've learned how to practice efficiently to have a good tournament without necessarily catching a lot of fish in practice. And I think I boated four bass in two days for practice for that tournament. Um I knew it was gonna be tough. I had them, I had some fish found. There was a most of the stuff I caught them off of in the tournament, though, I never even checked because I knew everybody was beating it up already. Everybody's posting all these 40-pound freaking bags in practice, fishing all the community stuff. I'm like, dude, what are you guys doing? And um, but yeah, I uh I tried to find some off the wall stuff. And uh yeah, once I've I literally on the second day of practice in the morning, I threw it one at my trolling motor with the urchin style bait. Like it was sitting under my troll motor and it freaking ate it. Literally, dang danger could see it eat it and just swallowed it and it was an eight-pounder. And I told the coangler Dylan I was practicing with, I was like, all right, you take troll motor, look around, rigged up my four urchins and three minnows, got everything ready for the next day, and then I said today's gonna be really boring, and just stared at the troll motor for the rest of the day on 10 and just tried to expand water because I knew that was what I was gonna commit to. Took everything out of my boat. I had minnows and urchins, that's it. And just committed to it. Wow. Just so you didn't get distracted. I just knew that it clearly because such a bite window thing, um, where you can be doing the winning deal and not get a bite for six hours and then catch 35 pounds in two hours. So it's like I was like, this is the only way I know that I could potentially win this tournament, and I am not gonna like I like I didn't want it in my head, like, oh, I could probably go rip a trap in this grass for a little bit and maybe get a bite or two. Like, I wanted to just make myself commit to what I thought was a potentially winning deal. And so I just gave myself another option.

SPEAKER_01 7:01

Is that like everywhere in the lake it's gonna go down that time, or you hunkered down in one area and oh, dude, that place is so crazy.

SPEAKER_02 7:08

So I had three areas I was rotating until the final day I had to scramble, but I literally had three stretches that I was just rotating all day. But like you'll like certain community holes on Clear Lake, there will be 20 boats that start on it and just rotate it all day, and then there will be like two guys that were there during that 10-minute window that catch two eight pounders off of it. Like it's so crazy. Throwing the same, it's not like they're doing anything special, throwing the same baits, same everything, same techniques, and it's just such a timing deal. I mean, you know how it was in the fall, beacon. We were all just playing hopscotch with each other on the same stuff, and we were all throwing them in, oh, and then somebody at the right time would smash them.

SPEAKER_03 7:44

Dude, that place is so frustrating to me. Um, I was having this conversation with a couple of guys after this event specifically, and was just like, man, you know, you look at this, like you said, the John Pearls, the Nate Phillips, like these guys that have been so dominant for years on on Clear Lake, and these locals that live on the lake are on it all the time. Like, do you think that part of that locking into just a couple of things is a factor? I mean, you look look look at the top ten in this tournament. You've got um Garrett, right, who wins the event from Washington, you from Washington and third. I think Joey Walton was like ninth, or maybe maybe he finished. Yeah, like you have some of these guys who aren't locals to that body of water, whereas like you would expect that to be a pretty dominated event. It's just such a hard lake in my mind. But do you think because you locked into that consistency versus like knowing, okay, I know a stretch where maybe there's a spawner with a nine-pounder on it, or or yeah, you know what I mean? Like, what why does it why is it a factor that guys from completely far away can be players there?

SPEAKER_02 9:00

I think just because that place has so many giant fish in it that anybody can stumble on the right deal. And the I've never seen a lake where the fish are more specific on what they want to eat. Um, I've seen it fishing with Nathan, whereas like a gold bladed underspin versus a silver bladed underspin was like 10 to 1 on bites, and vice versa. And chatterbait, same thing. Gold blade versus silver blade. We won a couple tournaments here a few springs ago on a chatterbait, and I started throwing one with a gold blade behind him, and I just started wrecking them, and he was like, What the heck? Changes and first cast catches a seven-pounder. Like, they are so specific on that lake. I think the only I think the main reason the local guys um normally dominate so well there is just because they have they have way more like I had three spots with Giants to rotate, they have 30, right? And so they're gonna know, like with the weather conditions, how the fish are set up, which areas are gonna be good when, and that's just a luxury they have. But there's there's a 10 pounder per square acre of that that entire lake, I'm pretty sure. So it's anybody can get on a right special deal and and and catch them. And Garrett's proven that. Garrett caught him on the same spot on the same bait, apparently, is what he told me. Like, that's that's crazy, honestly. But that just that just shows, even in a completely different seasonal pattern, just how many giant fish are in clear lake. Dude, that's crazy. And it and you I it's so funny. I had I don't know, almost 37, I think, day one. And everybody's like, oh dude, you're on them. Like, you're gonna smash them tomorrow. And I told him I said, I don't know if I can get five bites. Like how many bites did you get on that first day? First day I caught nine fish. Second day, I railed them. I probably caught 40. I probably threw back, I probably threw back five 28 to 30 pound limits. Oh on day two. I just couldn't catch it. My big I had 30, 33 and a half, and my biggest was a seven pounder, and my smallest was a six and three quarter. Like just could not catch an eight plus. And um, then that final day, I just couldn't, like I would lose them, they'd miss it. It was just just a nightmare. But do you think you you you burned them on day two too hard? No, I've I expanded, I figured out a so my whole game plan in that tournament was there's a bunch of floaters right now, and then there's cover fish, you know, fish that are suspended under docks, sitting on trees, poles, stuff like that, right? So my whole game plan was throw minnow at floaters in the morning, just a four-inch C2, like simple, right? See if you can get. I was I told myself if I get two to go in the morning that are floating, they're gonna be big, and I can figure out how to quake up, you know, three during the day somewhere somehow. Well, then day two in the morning, and I could only catch, like I caught a couple four pounders floating, but like all the big ones they're just falling, falling. I was like, dang, dude. And I had like 18 pounds at like 10 o'clock and on day two, and I'm like, and only I'd only ever been throwing the urchin because that's how I only have ever done it, really, is throwing it at fish that were set up on structure, right? Because it sinks so slow, so it's super easy to target them with that because you can just float it over their head. And so finally I was I was like, screw it. And I threw an urchin at a floater, and it took me about 10 minutes to get it in front of me because these fish were like 10 to 15 feet down and moving, right? So I'm leading them by like 50 feet and just sinking it down and wait and wait and wait, and then it'll turn. I'm like, gosh dang it. Like some fish literally took me 10 minutes to ever even get the bait in front of it, and I finally floated it down perfect, and she's coming towards it, and she blinks, and I popped it once, swallows it. Freaking seven-pounder. I was like, oh my god, got them figured out, and just patiently threw it floaters all day with that urchin bait on day two and just railed them. I just never caught a big one. Wow, it was so much fun, but like it was it's painful, like it's hard to do. I mean, that bait literally sinks one foot per year, and these fish are blasting around under like 15 foot, 10 to 15. Like some are floating super high, and those ones are easier to target, but those ones that were moving like anywhere from eight to twelve foot down. I mean, you just you had to patiently follow that fish around and try to lead it and just happen to bring your bait across it at the right time.

SPEAKER_01 12:58

It was think about just adding a little bit of extra weight, or will they just not eat it? They just won't eat it.

SPEAKER_03 13:04

So, what kind of weight weight are we talking? Did you like if you whatever you're willing to share here? What can you share about your setup?

SPEAKER_02 13:12

I was starting an eighth ounce. Normally, that's kind of my starting point. If they're really on it, good, you can get away with throwing in 330 seconds. But the slower the better, because when you rip that thing, it you want it to pulse and then freaking almost like a jerk bait, just stop there, and that pisses them off. And it's just barely like that. And then they're coming up towards you and you pop, pop, it stops again, and it just floats and suspends. They hate it, dude. God, when they eat that thing, it's so much fun. Like they when they decide like they want it, you can't you can't work it fast enough. They just freaking you're pop up, pop, pop, and they're god, they nail it. Oh my god, I want to go catch one right now.

SPEAKER_01 13:47

Yeah, dude, it's so much fun using that thing. Yeah, it's pretty weird.

SPEAKER_03 13:51

You're talking the big one, casting rod, big stick, that kind of a thing. Both. I was throwing both.

SPEAKER_02 13:56

Um, if it was windy, I'd throw the big one. And if it was calm, I would throw uh 19 millimeter. Um, it was a 19. I ran out of 17s. Yeah, the hags, because I ran I was out of the 17s, so I had to get some some knockoffs, but they work fine. I will give you guys a little nugget. Um, for any of the listeners, if you are going to get a knockoff of an urchin style bait, um the only thing that matters, like the hags fish is pretty much just as good. When you pull that thing out of the package, you should be able to like set it on the table and it should be able to stand on its arms and they don't they don't fold in. The stiff, you want the stiffness of the arms. Some of them are super floppy. And when you pull it, that makes them close like a squid, like it goes close and then it doesn't have the water presence. So the biggest key on any urchin bait is super stiff arms. The stiffer the better. So if you get a knockoff and they're super limp like that, you'll still catch bass on them, but they don't work right. They don't pulse that water and have that drawing power because of that pulsing of the water because they're so stiff, it just has so much presence and water movement, and it also makes the bait like vibrate more on the fall. So if you're gonna get a any other brand or of the koiky style bait, that's the thing you gotta look for.

SPEAKER_01 15:06

Sneaky, yeah, stiffer, move more water. Makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 15:10

Yeah, call them up. For working it, for work if you're like drop shotting it or working on the bottom, it's probably better to have softer ones, but for the popping it like a jerkbait style stuff, that's what that's what you want. That's the biggest key with them.

SPEAKER_01 15:21

Dude, I noticed in Texas, I was using the Hags 19 and switching between that and the the full cast, and it was crazy the fish that would smoke the full cast, but would not touch the 19. And it's making me think that going from the the bigger one that was released that's bigger than the full cast, it's yeah, the max or grande or whatever they're calling.

SPEAKER_02 15:41

The third might need to go throw that one instead now. Oh, suplex, suplex, yeah, that's what it's called. Yeah, that thing's gonna break some records. What a name.

SPEAKER_03 15:48

So, okay, what's the smallest? Because here's my my my question. I I was actually doing this yesterday. I was throwing both just the 17 and then the full cast. And I mean the the body water I was fishing, small fish, like I mean, big fish, I guess this tournament was like a seven, but normally it's like a five to a six. Like in your mind on that full cast, clearly, like Clear Lake has a bajillion giants. Bailey, you were in Texas catching quite literally PBs and stuff. So, like what what what uh what'd you say?

SPEAKER_01 16:21

Yeah, watch the 14 get caught in front of me. Exactly. Like megas. What lake were you on?

SPEAKER_03 16:26

Uh I'll tell you after the show. Oh no, yeah. So I guess my question is, especially with this new one getting even bigger, like what size fish can eat that thing? Because think of hookup ratio, all this stuff is kind of goofy. What's your take?

SPEAKER_02 16:42

Yeah, hookup ratio is a problem, but um I mean, you've seen it, you've thrown a six to eight inch soft swim bait and had one pounders choke it. Um, if they want to get it, they're gonna get it. Um I personally throw the 17-19 millimeter. If I'm smallmouth for spot to bass fishing almost exclusively, I hard hardly ever do throw the the full cast. Um full cast more of a largemouth thing for me, but I throw the heck out of the 17 and 19 for largemouth too. Like I caught I weighed in a lot of fish on that 19 millimeter hags and uh clearly, which isn't a huge bait. And I was throwing on a spinning rod.

SPEAKER_03 17:14

It's gonna say still spinning rod until you get to the full cast.

SPEAKER_02 17:17

Yeah, full cast I throw on a bait caster. Um, and I just up my hook size. Uh I throw a treble in it. Um, and I just go from a size one to a one-ought, and it's a medium heavy G finesse. It's a mean hook. Like I throw a seven foot five U call eclipse or a seven foot three heavy action freaking 17 to 20 pound line and lock down drag, give them the business. Like it's it's way funner to do it like that. Dude, quads legal bait California. Uh oh, I've talked to people about that, so it's it's a goofy deal. Apparently, in freshwater, it's like legal, but it's it's kind of a gray area and it always scares me. So I just end up throwing a regular track.

SPEAKER_01 17:55

Okay, so don't bring my quads to California, is what you're saying. Well, guys throw them on glibaits all the time and stuff.

SPEAKER_03 18:00

Yeah, it's it's uh we need to get like a biology or a like a fishing game. You should ask like direct fishing game because I've heard the same thing with so many states, and I don't know the like true answer, so I get nervous about it too, and just throw you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:14

I get nervous because I dude imagine getting freaking DQ'd and winning a tournament and getting DQ'd over that. Like, oh my god. But um, I on that one I lost though on the final day, I really wish I had a quad. Um, but and yeah, like that's what I normally throw it on in states that are legal, but like it's I don't I don't know. It's we were looking it up, and apparently it's legal, but only in salt water you can't do it. But it just doesn't make sense to me. I can throw a jerkbait with nine points, but I can't throw a single treble with four or quattro with four. It's a good point, it's just I don't know, California, bro.

SPEAKER_01 18:46

Let him fish regulatory systems are a pain in the butt. Steven Barden said it perfectly because I called him after my Texas trip and we were we were started talking about California. And he said, if California wanted to, if he's like if California gave a crap, they could blow by far blow away every other state in the country when it comes to bass fishing.

SPEAKER_02 19:10

If Texas fishing game took over California, the world record would be caught in the next 10 years for sure. Absolutely, absolutely 25 pounder. I'm serious. California has all the potential to be the best fishing state, best state in general, honestly. Yeah, in general, it has everything. It's beautiful, oceans, great weather, mountains, ocean on the crop side. Like it's crazy. Everything is just it's like how hard can we try to mess this up? Pretty much, but whatever, we don't need to talk about that. California's awesome, great lakes, clear lakes, best lake in the country. Argue with the wall.

SPEAKER_03 19:50

So argue with the wall. I love it. I love it. Well, man, so uh urchin stuff becoming a big player in your arsenal, it sounds like. Um, I mean, outside perspective, like right now, dude, you are on an unbelievable tear, and I think that your win is certainly coming. But as far as your consistency at the highest level in the West, both in one bass and the BAM super 60, is is insane. I mean, let's talk a little bit about what has gotten you to this point and what do you think the factors are that are allowing you to like stay in this consistent. I mean, how many how many top threes do you have right now in major events? In the last what two years? How long have you been doing this seriously?

SPEAKER_02 20:42

Well, last year was my rookie year, so a year and a quarter or whatever. Um like top fours.

SPEAKER_01 20:49

I have it might be easier for you to count how many you haven't had that weren't in the top four.

SPEAKER_02 20:55

I think I have ten top fours in the last since.

SPEAKER_00 21:01

That's a pretty good percentage, dude.

SPEAKER_02 21:04

Yeah, yeah, it's been it's been a blessing for sure.

SPEAKER_03 21:07

That's so incredible, man. Like that is uh people who have done any any tournament fishing at any level understand like how hard it is to even get into the the conversation into a top 10. Like that is an unbelievable awesome accomplishment to be really at the opportunity to win is what that means. You're if you're in the top four, like you had a chance, sort of a thing, is even crazier.

SPEAKER_02 21:31

Yeah, for sure. I get yeah. I mean, it's still like I'm just like, how did I not win one of them? You know what I mean? But it is what it is. I can't complain. I've had an amazing run, and it's it's been a blessing for sure.

SPEAKER_03 21:43

Just the start, too, man. I mean, you've got a long runway here, right? Like you're young in this game. Um, so like I just I see it, I see it being like, A, not only what I feel like what's gonna happen is you're gonna get that win, and then it's just gonna be like pops, right? Like once you have that feeling of like, okay, I did it, I can do it, then it's gonna be like, All right, guys, well, we're fishing for second again because Ty showed up.

SPEAKER_02 22:06

I hope so, man. But who knows? I could have a terrible run and not cash a check the rest of the year. It's bass fishing, man. I can, I mean, it it's it's the game we play. So I've I've been very fortunate and it could go the other way, it could get better. Who knows? You know, just gotta control what I can control and let. that fall where that falls, but yeah, as far as consistency, I'd say my biggest keys have been I'm kind of a I think of things in like numbers a lot of ways. And um I try to be when I I mean I think I talked about you guys with this on your podcast, but I take seconds into minutes into casts in a fish in my mind. And so when I approach a tournament day, I think about how many efficient casts I'm making with a good chance of getting a bite during the day. And that can kind of vary based off what you're doing, right? When I'm spending 10 minutes sinking a quirky to the same fish while it's swimming around until I finally get in front of it, yeah, that's not very efficient. But my bite ratio when they did see it was about 50%. So it's like, okay, you got to factor that in. I could have gone and thrown a minnow at 100 in that time, but none of them would have ate it, right? But like just being efficient with everything like um die style baits like smaller dice style baits I put a Nico hack through them and then cut it and run it on my hook so I that it stays on forever. And like before a tournament I know I'm gonna throw it I got it like a little baggie and I pre-rig all of them like have them the Nico hack through them and cut and ready to go soaking in their little powder just ready in their little pouch. You know what I mean? But like if you think about it, if I'm catching them really good on a dice, that's say I've used eight went through eight dice that day it takes me about a minute minute and a half put that Nico rig through it nuke Nico hack through it. So if I did that eight times during a day that's what 12 minutes that's 12 minutes I wasn't casting or catching bass. Crankbaits if I'm catching them on a crankbait. If there's a couple colors that I'm catching them on I always change my trebles right I always upgrade my trebles for tournaments. Well you break crankbaits off a lot it takes normally a minute or two to change your treble hooks especially if you got to dig them out and everything like that. So I'll have five of each color that I'm catching them on with new treble hooks ready to go before the tournament split rings upgraded, ready to go. Jerk baits, I tie my treble hooks on on jerk baits same thing. I'll have the same color with ready to go to where I can grab it and go. And all that time that you're not casting somebody else is and could be catching a fish that's going to bump you down. So I think just being efficient with practice also I mean in our super sixties we don't get any practice which I love. I hate practicing it makes me so think about things way too much. But um like for the one basses and stuff I normally practice one to two days while all these other guys practice for like a week. So I really have to be efficient with my time and I just try to make sure I'm like yeah I could have caught a few more and had some fun or whatever. I try not to I try not to you know do anything that's like I'm not actually helping myself grow a bigger pattern or expand on the idea right like so that that's the main thing is just trying to be efficient with your time and having productive time on the water efficiency and just fishing hard man.

SPEAKER_01 25:08

I love that dude small little hacks like that because that that is so big on the time saver. And that's like one thing I learned way back with like watching how Kevin Van Damme would prep for stuff like that. It was like a little Bassmaster feature like the same way that you you don't think about it but when you break down your day like you're talking about the small little times when you're changing stuff out or if you're moving the small things can lead to big things and that's all of a sudden 45 minutes of lost fishing time that you don't really think about it's I love that you said about like talking about the Nico stuff. Like all my janitors I have I put VMC crossovers on them in the pack. So that way all you're doing is you're taking them out and you're hooking them going.

SPEAKER_02 25:48

Exactly and like at at the first super 60 last year we had our catchboards right and this is our first year doing all this stuff.

SPEAKER_03 25:54

Oh this is great.

SPEAKER_02 25:57

We're in the parking lot casino day before the tournament and I pull out the old drill and I start drilling holes in my boat and everybody comes what the hell are you doing? I'm like well I'm I'm mounting this gun onto my cooler like onto my deck and they're like why are you doing that? And I'm like well if I got to pull it out of the freaking locker and put my so I had my identifier screwed in drilled in and my board and I would just take it out when I wasn't a super 60. And so that thing was in the same spot at all times get catch fish boom right there phone right next to it takes picture back in the water think about that that saves you two minutes of catch pretty much I mean think about how long it takes if you're gonna pull it out and all that so it's like especially with our keeper count thing like it's just literally about being efficient and catching as many bass as possible and I'm not gonna do that if I'm fumbling around with a freaking board all day. So that's what I did and everybody looked at me like I was crazy.

SPEAKER_01 26:43

And then every tournament I'd see two or three more freaking bolted on it the new new boat owners like hey what are these holes from yeah yeah that's it's about time and efficiency for sure.

SPEAKER_03 26:58

Yeah it's it's a good reminder for everyone whatever format you're fishing because I always think of it like this and and like look dude I've been tournament fishing a long time and I still like am learning about or or good reminders like this and good habits because I think about think about the last hour of the day you are so focused you're so like worried about time everything matters when realistically the same hour from 10 a.m to 11am matters just as much as it does from 2 p.m to 3 p.m but in your mind you're like okay relax I got five in the boat like and there's a level of that that that can be helpful because it allows you to fish free and and think clearly but like overall like the way you're describing it is like this is a numbers game and I'm gonna freaking put as many shots on the board as possible and see what happens.

SPEAKER_02 27:47

Exactly yeah and like think about how hard you fish in a tournament when you need one more big one and there's 20 minutes left think about how hard you freaking fish you need to be able you need to be able to keep that intensity for eight hours. That's big ski yeah whether you got one in the box or you got 35 pounds like me um I was able to expand you know um it didn't end up working out but I once I got my 33 on day two of Clear Lake and knew I was going to be in somewhere in the top two I fished I I got like I I went harder because it's like okay I need to go find something I didn't end up finding anything really to speak of I thought I did but um but dude then I'm like troll a motor on 10 like I've got two hours left of the day let's make it as productive as possible right and it's like you you there's always something you can be doing to help your tournament um and every second you're out there is just you're trying to gain an edge over the other guy and whoever can do it more efficiently that's that's the guys that that end up doing well.

SPEAKER_01 28:48

Yeah I think that notion dude is the they're talking about the intensity for eight for eight hours the the intensity that a lot of people can get to but it's like you know like Deacon said the last hour of the day. I think that's a lot honestly what a lot separates guys like yourself that are consistently at the top versus the rest because you look at everybody you guys fish against everyone's talented everyone's a great angler everyone can find big fish no doubt it's what's between the ears and it's the strategy that sets everyone apart where it's you know we from the few tournaments I helped cover with BAM you know getting to see a bunch of people on the water everyone's great everyone's a hell of an angler but we show up and we pull up on Utah and you're like times five flying around making five casts to everybody's one and it's like what you're talking about though that's your strategy and it's you can understand why that it's you when you when your strategy is the numbers game that's you can see it you can see it more right in front of your eyes dude yeah and that doesn't necessarily mean fishing fast right but like yeah you gotta know when to slow down for sure but like when I am fishing slow I want to make sure that I'm fishing slow on productive like I want that minute long cast to be a productive there's a great chance that it is in front of a fish cast you know what I mean like if I'm gonna slow down I want to it's just about efficiency.

SPEAKER_02 30:11

I can make a thousand casts flying down the bank with a spinnerbait and my bite percentage for every 20 bass I go over I catch one or I can make half that many casts throwing a drop shot on a different type of day and you know it's all about the numbers right if I can get four out of a hundred I go over to bite or but you know what I mean so it's all about it's just that's all that happens in my head is just math on on what I think is going on and um it's just a feel thing. I I try to fish super free um I kind of went against that in clear lake like normally I'm the guy that's got 40 freaking rods on the deck for everything from reaction to topwaters to this to that and I just fish the day I try not to get too locked in on one thing. But it does seem like the guys that win they get it plan together they see the potential and they stick with it and it works or it doesn't and so I think I'm gonna start adopting that strategy more from trying to get get a win from that standpoint.

SPEAKER_01 31:08

That's we have a visitor here well as you have a cat on your what's going on here he just jumped on my lap he's like hey you're y'all are talking about koikis let me get in on this conversation you got a few koikis laying around the house too good to say that's a cat face.

SPEAKER_03 31:24

Yeah dude that's I think that's really good juice. I mean I think a a good transition here is into forward facing I mean we know you're an absolute menace when it comes to forward facing I mean certainly one of the best on the west coast potentially one of the best out there. It's unbelievable to me. But before that to your point on like the best that do it and the intensity the whole time I you are probably in the derby but I I turned on the final day on uh the the BPT's Red Crest where Wheeler won it for just a couple hours in the morning. Watching that guy fish and have his game plan in place especially with their format of part of the time forward facing part of the time not unbelievable the intensity level unlike un I mean he basically had spawning smallmouth that he could go to and catch on scope right he would literally pick up the like he had his marked out on the ones that he was going to go to that day during his his period the speed in which he would get up go to one catch that fish put it in the box or not put it in the box do their way go to the next one was some of the most like and then he was also talking through his decision making on what he was going to do to then maintain his lead after that period ended was holy cow like different level than anyone else and at the highest level it was it was really really cool to watch and it sounds like a lot of the mindset that you're talking about right now.

SPEAKER_02 33:00

Yeah he's impressive I watch his practice videos more than I watch his tournament videos because you can hear him mentally talk about like breaking down the strategy and the game plan and yeah when you watch him how much downtime do you see how much do you see I'm gonna stop take a drink talk about what I'm doing no he is always efficiently doing something that is going to help his production that day. No dude's a freaking machine um yeah he he really thinks he thinks about things uh from an efficiency standpoint and timing and he talks about his rotation all the time and I need to go here and here I don't want to drive all the way to this one and then all the way back just to get in between like I'm gonna do this this and this sun's gonna be up on this at this time so by the time I get done here it'll be on the way to this and that he game plan and he'll game plan he's able to not only do it for a day he's able to game plan an entire tournament based off the weather and everything how things are going to go down and yeah he just has no wasted time ever. So that's definitely like that's definitely the way to do it like I had on Shasta and on Clear Lake um I've had co's that I'll catch I don't know four or five keepers that I know I can't weigh and I'll throw them back. My co's are like what the hell that was a keeper I don't know keep on fishing catch another one throw it back it was only a two pounder throw it back that was a keeper do why are you throwing them back the amount of time it's gonna take me to weigh that fish put the clip on it put it in the thing just for me to call later and then I got to figure out which one calls and balance beam and all this crap why if I'm gonna if I'm gonna catch a check in this tournament I'm not gonna weigh that fish in so why why waste the 10 minutes a day calling you but that's a com that that that can also screw you too on like AOI points and stuff. So I'm not recommending that to anybody but if you have confidence that you're gonna be able to put a decent bag in the boat but I've heard I mean guys I think a guy lost a classic because of that one time. So not saying to do that but for me personally like I've had a lot of people question that and they're like you got a hell of a lot of confidence it's like yeah if I wait if I weigh that one in it ain't gonna matter.

SPEAKER_03 34:52

Dude waste of time 40 a day yeah and two pounder is not gonna mean crap you're just wasting your time lesson lesson right here the last tournament I fished on Cool Lake against Utah was with Chad and we put this was this was dumb but the same deal okay like my mindset is more like exactly like you said like I it's fine I'll put it in the box not worry about it okay I'm not used to Chad's boat Bass Cat live balls you can't see anything Chad catches this fish small fish one one pound why did we stick a one pounder in the box at Clear Lake and in my mind at the time it was like okay we kind of had AOI because we finished well in the Shasta event like maybe we're gonna like kind of keep pursuing this series that fish died we could not call a one pounder on Clear Lake that immediately completely out of the money in every category yep a hundred percent and I've I've actually had that too where I've had a fish that would at the time help me by like half a pound that was bleeding pretty bad that I've thrown back and be like well I'm just gonna have to call them I'm just gonna have to catch one bigger because or the same size the new one because it's yeah once you get a dead like yeah I would never like never put a bleeding little one in you're better off not bleeding it was just a bad you know but it was just a bad that's just bad luck.

SPEAKER_02 36:05

But like yeah why why well that fish you weigh that fish you ain't gonna get a check anyway so why waste of time then you do catch a bigger one and it's not dead and you can call it now you got to take the time to dig it out of the live well change the numbers on your freaking deal yada yada so you do that five times during a day it takes about three minutes apiece there's 15 minutes boom and somebody else got a 10 pounder in those 15 minutes you lose that's the way I think about it.

SPEAKER_03 36:27

I love it. So analytical about it I love it too it reminds me of I don't know if you guys have ever heard Welcher talk about you know how he's was is a semi professional gambler right yeah poker guy everything in odds right and I think you play some poker Ty. Yeah I love I love holding yeah like but it's basically I mean you are viewing everything you do in an odds and a numbers situation standpoint.

SPEAKER_02 36:52

Kind of cool same with your decisions on where to go and when to go there like what are what are the odds in my mind of this working out so like if I need a big bite like I can go somewhere and I probably won't get a bite but if I do it's gonna be an eight pounder or I end my day over here and catch a bunch of four pounders that don't help I know I'm gonna get bit but probably not gonna be a big one. I'm gonna go to that spot that I that had that I have the potential to catch an eight pounder. Now did I no but were the odds in my favor compared to that other spot even though I didn't even get a bite yes and so you just got to think think through things that it depends what you need during the day. And and bam it's if if I'm going for keeper count then I my mindset on how my decisions just completely change and now I'm thinking okay where can I efficiently catch the most 14 inches or whatever our limit is on that lake that day possible.

SPEAKER_01 37:43

Right.

SPEAKER_02 37:45

Like yeah catching a big one would be great but like I'm on the I'm going for it on the keeper count side so why like like Greg even in the first tournament threw back bed fish that would have helped his bag because he was in on keeper count and didn't end up having to go to him the next day on Pedro he ended up just banging him off a bridge but like still like that type of mindset of just how can I efficiently put myself in a better position.

SPEAKER_03 38:09

I mean a three day tournament eight hours 24 hours is a long freaking time there's a lot of if uh if a guy is super efficient with his time compared to not by by the end of three eight hour days there's gonna be a lot of discrepancy between two anglers of a guy that's laxadaisical doesn't think about this type of stuff and just kind of goes out there and goes bassin versus a guy that tries to be efficient with his time that can be up to two or three hours of productive cast indifference in three days in my opinion that's what makes all the difference and dude yeah I mean and then then the next level of that right is the efficiency of forward facing right that's then the same it's upping your odds from an efficiency standpoint making those casts um matter I mean here's a here's a take on forward facing I'd love to hear both of your your thoughts on this I think someone who's extremely good at forward facing is it just makes them more consistent when it comes to derby finishes. Although I think it's it's hard to win and I'm I'm talking I guess over maybe a season where there's different bodies of water I think it makes you really efficient but it's and and when it's in your wheelhouse you can absolutely win but also is there does it hurt you from the Brandon Polinick style in my mind of like where he forward faces but then he goes and flips a giant or throws a glide bait over something and and catches a big one on the bank you know like more that freak mixes it up yeah what what's your guys' take on that?

SPEAKER_02 39:41

I think the guys that win with forward facing sonar the reason they do is because they stare at it and they're gonna do it and if it works it works and if it doesn't it doesn't but they are going to spend 24 hours efficiently staring at it and if they can figure it out they're gonna figure it out. They do not they just commit to it I think that's why but that can also burn them in certain tournaments. So that's just kind of the game you play what are your odds you know do I feel like I can it it just all depends but yeah I think I think the guys that do win using forward facing sonar normally don't like they commit to it and it's gonna work for them. And if it doesn't it doesn't like they stare at it all freaking day.

SPEAKER_01 40:18

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SPEAKER_03 40:37

Now back to the show I think it's yeah it's a it's a full pot like I'm fully committed this is what's happening.

SPEAKER_02 40:44

Because it can happen so fast like you can stumble upon that right place offshore where they're set up right and they're eating now and it's like going back and forth and in between I think the guys that do a little bit of everything are gonna cash a check more often than the guys that stare at it all the time but the guys that stare at it all the time are going to win more in my opinion.

SPEAKER_03 41:03

Interesting.

SPEAKER_01 41:03

Okay absolutely opposite I like it yeah it's hard because especially when you bring up the example of Polnik because I feel like he's on his own island of being able to do 10 different things but also probably one of the best closers in pro bass fishing. Yes that's a good point um yeah him and Christy yeah I yeah you don't want to see them boys on Sundays. Yeah I don't know I I I feel like you could take this so many different ways where I agree with what Ty's saying on it but I also feel like I see oftentimes where guys will meander like you see Trey McKinney do it. He's locked in on scope on like fork catching floaters but then he goes up and catches an eight and a half flipping a dock.

SPEAKER_02 41:48

And so it's like I'll never forget that clip when he breaks his rod that's that stuff is so cool.

SPEAKER_01 41:54

Yeah so yeah I don't know I I I think I think the people that can commit to learning scope and but allowing scope to also advance your other forms of fishing where you're not just looking at it as scope is a screen that can show me blobs. No scope is a screen that can help you understand and get a better understanding of the lay of the land below you and how these fish are behaving in their environment and when you use that to then take it where you can't scope and you have you know there's grass galore and you throw in a chatterbait or whatever you can incorporate that into different different lanes of fishing.

SPEAKER_02 42:30

I think oh yeah and you can you can use it to it's not just targeting fish. That's what people still don't understand. And I don't it's about understanding structure and layout and bottom composition and all this other stuff. I use it like crazy fishing grass lines and I'm not scoping individual fish. I'm just trying to see where the little divots are where the edges are where the grass points are hard spots in the grass stuff like that. Like it's not just for throwing at fish.

SPEAKER_03 42:52

Oh yeah no it's to it's to learn how how a place is setting up I mean to your point in your practice it sounds like on Clear Lake once you figured out you could get a bite on what you were doing it was just going to learn and see how those fish were acting what they were doing what what they were setting up with right like it's a it's giving you the knowledge to then you know go do it.

SPEAKER_02 43:15

Yep 100% like just seeing just trying to learn always trying to learn what's going on just that's be efficient with your practice if you're not learning anything you're not practicing well. Like yeah it would have been a lot more fun after I caught that one eight pounder I probably could have dropped 36 of 40 that day it would have been a great time would that have helped me any no so that's the that's the way that I mean that's just the way I look at it you just got to be efficient efficient with your time I like it.

SPEAKER_03 43:43

One more big picture because I like this is this has been you know I'm glad this has gone this direction we've kind of really talked high level just tournament fishing here which is which is neat to cool and and to talk about somebody's doing it at a very high level very well but like last last wrap up thing here my mind is going again I like relating things to life stuff. There's a lot of people right now talking about or some of the stuff that I follow where it's like you know some of the people that have been able to create the most successful lives businesses guys who run ultra marathons whatever it may be it's like the amount of time That you can be comfortable in the discomfort, right? And the way I think about this from a tournament perspective of what you're talking about is on Clear Lake right now, it's very uncomfortable to not have a fish all day. Knowing in the back of your mind, at any point in time, there could be a window that opens up where you bang them and you just absolutely load the boat. But a lot of people, and I think this at any tournament level, feel a little bit more comfortable when they go to the bank and they catch a four-pounder and a five-pounder, whatever it may be, and like you know, let the nerve settle in. Whereas if you can be comfortable not sticking that fish in your live well because you don't need it, like that, like you know what I mean. It's all kind of relating to this thing of like if you can be on a pattern where it's uncomfortable that it might be risky where you might not come in with five.

SPEAKER_02 45:12

There were so many guys that had like four for 29, and like but they were doing the deal, and they had the potential to win that way. Yeah. Yeah, like gosh, I I remember like JD Blackmore had a nine and a seven, and then only had four fish. Uh Troy Fernandez had 29 on four after day one. Like, when you're doing that deal, you're not gonna get a lot of bites on that lake. But when you do, it's it's the right one, and somebody's gonna get five over three days, and it happened to be Garrett. So sick.

SPEAKER_01 45:41

Yeah, that's where I feel like this all just comes down to like you look at a Jacob Wheeler. Do I think mechanically he's the most talented angler in the field right now? No, nope, but he is by and large the best angler when it comes between the ears and building a strategy for these tournaments where it's it just all comes down all comes down to that because it's like I look at things too. Obviously, like I hear things like this from the boat side where it's like okay, it takes you guys eight hours to hopefully get five bites, where it's like in a freaking kayak going five miles an hour. I I have to look that I'm like, okay, I might get three bites a day if I can commit to that. So you gotta almost gotta switch everything up there, too.

SPEAKER_02 46:21

But yeah, like your practice is a lot different because you're thinking, how can I efficiently break down an area that's one general area because I don't have the luxury of running around. So, what area can I fish this tournament out of? You have one decision pretty much, and you gotta stick with it. So that's you have a completely like where we have like oh, it's risky over here, but if it happens, it happens. But if not, no big deal. I can run freaking 30 miles and go fish something.

SPEAKER_01 46:45

Well, it's like, okay, that's six miles away, I'll be there in two hours.

SPEAKER_02 46:48

Yeah, so you really like your room for error is just that much more, which is probably why you separate yourself so much because you you're able to make that right decision on okay, this area has the best population of buy, and that's another efficiency thing I want to talk about is biting fish versus numbers of fish. I would much rather have a place with less fish with a higher bite percentage than a place that's just loaded community hole, beat to crap with a bunch of fish on it that are almost impossible to get to bite. Because I think I can, especially now with the efficiency of Ford facing sonar, because I can accurately target those fish even if there's less of them and they're they're just way more apt to bite. So I look for fish that are biting, like I want the dumb ones, you know what I mean. I want a seam flare, not just because they're like yeah, they don't they don't exist on clear lake. I don't know why there's so many bass in that lake, and it's really not that pressured compared to like Gunnersville and Fork and all these places, but for some reason they just get weird there, so hard.

SPEAKER_03 47:43

I can't stand it. So hard, I don't like it. It's it frustrates the crap out of me. There's yeah, everyone's had the experience of not biting fish. That place is harder than I've ever seen. Like it's it's like fishing in the south to me, like the southeast. Every time I go to the southeast, I'm like, these fish are so pressured. But like clear lake, it's like I can't get them to do anything.

SPEAKER_02 48:00

Yeah, you can get them to follow too. Like, you could relocate every single bass in that lake, just keep your minnow in the water and let them follow it. They will not give up on it. It's a horrible survival strategy to burn that many calories to not eat it. But like, dude, you could literally leave your minnow in the water at the mouth of Rodman, and I promise you, you could troll at a mile mile an hour in three days, and that fish would never give up on it. It would never eat it, but you could relocate that fish to Cash Creek, promise you. Yeah, yeah. Just sit there and just all freaking day. And I'm like, dude, I it makes me mad.

SPEAKER_01 48:38

It's so true.

SPEAKER_02 48:39

We had that at Clark's Hill too. We were fishing a tournament in January there catching one minute, and dude, I'm telling you'd have like four fish just falling it, falling, falling it, and we would just drift with them for like a mile in the wind and leave it there. And eventually one on the bottom would see them chasing it and fly up and smash it. Like it was the dumbest thing ever. That competition thing's huge, too. Like, that definitely will trick finicky fish if you get multiple on at the same time. You can see it on scope where one will fly up and like it, and sometimes it's the back one that's been following it for a while, and then another one shoots up at it, and that gets that other one competitive. And then he comes, the one that was following it the whole time comes and crashes it. So it's like it's a cool deal for sure. Like, like how Fisher uh shook that fish off in the elites, dude. Um, and everybody was tripping. I did that at Shasta this year with Jesse in that tournament we fished against you. That's how I caught my big one, same exact way. And it's like getting that because they were so hard to trick on a minnow there, too, the bigger ones. And I seen that giant one was following it, and that little one flew off the bottom and ate it, but it made that giant one kind of catch up and kind of fired him up, and I just sat there and just shook and shook, and I just saw my bait just fall underneath him when he dropped it, and that giant boom big on like five and a half pound spot.

SPEAKER_03 49:43

That's insane.

SPEAKER_02 49:44

That is something that like that is insane to me. That's well, it's the same thing, like guys, like when we were talking about practice wanting to catch them all and stuff. Yeah, I more than likely would have not got that fish to bite by doing that, but it's like I know this other one's little, that's not gonna help me. Yeah, it would be really fun to reel them in, but it's not efficient time, like it is not efficient time. The amount of little fish I shake off on chassis on a minnow, even if there isn't a big one with them, I just don't hook them because it's gonna take time out of my day. Is I mean, because why? Like, what is this one pounder gonna do for me besides take time where I could be throwing at a bigger fish?

SPEAKER_01 50:16

Damn, yeah, that's next level, dude.

SPEAKER_02 50:18

That's so sick. I mean, if you think about it, it makes perfect sense to me. Like, oh, yeah, yeah, no, it does.

SPEAKER_03 50:24

It makes sense. A lot of people aren't gonna think that way. Probably not. I'm probably gonna reel in every single one. I agree with you, it makes sense.

SPEAKER_02 50:31

Like you're sight fishing, like if you're sight fishing and you in a tournament and you got 25 pounds and you see a four-pounder, it's that's locked. Gonna eat in one cast. It's really hard not to just, you know, even though it's not gonna help you, but why?

SPEAKER_03 50:42

Yeah, it's fair.

SPEAKER_02 50:45

That's the way I look at it.

SPEAKER_03 50:46

I'm probably weird, but no, I think it's the the right way, clearly.

SPEAKER_01 50:51

I mean, this is this is what I preach people all the time. Like, especially when I do this more on the personal side of things when I'm making tournament videos, is people ask why are you using electronics, things like that. There is a difference between fun fishing and tournament fishing, both are very fun, but you have to have complete different mindsets to do well in in either of them. Fun fishing, you out do whatever the hell you want to do. You can be lazy, you can do whatever you want. Tournament fishing, if you want to do well, you knew you need to be doing exactly what Ty has been talking about this entire episode. That is the mindset you need to have nowadays to be successful. Like talking about the efficiency thing of shaking off a little one, yeah, it's fun to catch fish, but like if your goal is to win and you need more time, like that's just things you have to do. And it's like some people it kind of hard for them to comprehend that. Like both are fun, but tournament fishing is completely different. Like, yes, would I much rather be catching eight pounders on a frog? But no, that's not gonna happen to win this thing, so it's like you have to do what you think is best to win.

SPEAKER_02 51:53

Yeah, you just gotta stay locked in, like, especially in pro ams and stuff. Your ams talking about that bald eagle on the bank, and oh look at that, and you're like, Yep, yep, and you're still looking down, trying to freaking, you know, like it's just yeah, that yeah, I could sit there and look at that thing and talk about it, and yeah, it's cool. And I'm not trying to be a uh, you know what, but like I just, you know, it's all about time for me. That's if if I could preach to anybody like that's trying to get into tournament fishing and stuff, time is money, literally.

SPEAKER_01 52:18

So that's why I was so uncomfortable for those couple tournaments when I had to come up and put mics on guys while they're fishing. That's why I came up to you. I'm like, don't stop shaking that middle, bro. I'll I'll get the mic up for you.

SPEAKER_02 52:29

Like, yeah, even when it like even in tournaments, when I'm peeing, I've caught so many fish mid piss. I just you know, hang her hang over the side, keep casting, and you know, and if I get one on, I'm I'll just fight him for a little bit longer and finish my business, and then you're good to go.

SPEAKER_01 52:44

Shaking the middle while you're shaking your middle.

SPEAKER_03 52:48

I mean everyone has a story like that. Oh man, I I think the best is the I think it was Jordan Lee, literally on video at the at the classic attack. Yeah, yeah, I remember that. I think he had that one. I've had a frogfish eat mid I mean during a derb, during a team derb. Like I had like stopped it over some lily pads, and I'm just sitting over the side of the boat and I'm just like just flying everywhere. Like cracked him. My my my buddy's running with the net.

SPEAKER_01 53:18

I'm like, get over. He's like, what am I looking at?

SPEAKER_02 53:24

Yeah, yeah, for sure. But that's think about it though. If you'd have just reeled it in and took your time, put your rod up, went to the back, freaking all that, you would have never got that bite. So it's like, yeah, just about efficiency for sure.

SPEAKER_03 53:37

So good. Uh there's one takeaway keep your line in the water while your hand is yeah, making your pee in.

SPEAKER_02 53:45

Even like not, yeah, even like not fishing. Like, if you're ever going through a no-wake zone, there's no reason you shouldn't be staring at your map looking for more stuff the whole time.

SPEAKER_03 53:54

Don't be careful, you're gonna run into somebody, or someone's gonna run into it. Yeah, no, like, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 53:59

But you know what I mean. Like, I can like, you know, look up and then okay, like look, if I'm going to fish a point, I'm on a point pattern. Like, maybe like every once in a while kind of look down, kind of look up a little bit on the the map, and like, okay, like where's some other points I can rotate and stuff? Like, if it's a super long idol, like if I was a if I was a co-angler and I was going through a long idol and I didn't have to drive, dude, I'd be re-tying leaders and stuff, getting fresh line on everything, you know, check my hooks. Like, there's always something you can be doing that'll be efficient with your time.

SPEAKER_03 54:25

Always. Man, I love it. I think that's a big takeaway, and it's probably a good spot to kind of end the show. Like of all my ignorance today, don't throw back keepers and don't look down during no eight zones.

SPEAKER_02 54:35

My bad, guys. Do not listen to those two point.

SPEAKER_03 54:38

It's gonna be some complaints, some some notes with diet.

SPEAKER_01 54:42

Yeah, I love it. My fault. Some dude's gonna toss back a three-pounder and lose by a pound and be like, Diamond rule told me to throw this back. I'm gonna get sued. Yeah.

unknown 54:52

I love it.

SPEAKER_01 54:53

Love it. Well, dude, as always, man, thank you for the time. Always a pleasure getting you on here. And like we said, we you always have a seat here, and uh obviously we'll we'll uh we'll be watching to see where your next top four is gonna be at.

SPEAKER_02 55:06

I appreciate it. Yeah, uh, we got a kind of interesting little swing, so we'll see what happens. A lot of places I'm not used to or comfortable with. So hopefully we're able to do all right in those. Um, yeah, man. But yeah, appreciate y'all having me again. Like always shout you guys out. You guys are awesome. I listen to you guys all the time when I'm graphing and stuff in practice and driving and whatever. You guys put out great content, super like entertaining, but also very valuable um stuff that really like I love like your guys' biologist episodes and stuff and like all that where you can really learn. So yeah, shout out to you guys. Thanks for always always for having me. And yeah, yeah, it's always fun.

SPEAKER_01 55:40

All right, folks, that's gonna do it for today's show. Another great episode, Mr. Ty Manarola, probably is what fourth time on here, which we're actually used to doing these with him like in person. I kind of miss that.

SPEAKER_03 55:53

Uh yeah, I agree, man. We're gonna have to figure that out when you're out here for the Brownley Super 60 with all the guys. We should we should for sure put that on the books on what we need to do because I think that would be fun in the house or wherever else.

SPEAKER_01 56:04

So I think we just need to go live, set up the the mic studio, and just have a house party with everybody fishing it and just have everybody roll through.

SPEAKER_03 56:14

I love it, man.

SPEAKER_01 56:15

There we go. Yeah, we'll just call Mark before the night before day one. Like, hey, dude, we're having a kegger, we're inviting everybody over, everybody's getting on the podcast.

SPEAKER_03 56:24

Everyone else can be drinking beers. I will I have a rule of not drinking alcohol before a derby, so I will have you gladly enjoying some NA beers or something like that.

SPEAKER_01 56:34

Same thing this year, except I had one during before Florida, but it was I've thoroughly enjoyed the no beers, nothing like that during practice week because like especially when I'm talking about mind being focused. I mean don't worry, there's beers consumed after the event. That's that's for dang sure. But yeah, I I like that one of third week. I try to uh prioritize sleep a little bit too. Like I want to be as best I can be in bed by nine. Especially if you're getting up at three or four o'clock every day. Yeah, yeah. But that's gonna open up a whole nother can of worms to make us go down another hour of conversation. So we'll stop it right there and save it for the next one. But uh folks, appreciate you guys as always for tuning in. We'll see you on Wednesday, which we need to plan something, Deke, because technically Wednesday is episode 600. So we gotta plan a party show, a little live stream, something of the sort here in the coming weeks. We'll let you guys know what that is, but uh, we're gonna have some sort of show here, something to to celebrate 600 episodes. But I couldn't do that without you guys. So much appreciated. And we'll see you guys on Wednesday with Mr. Jacobs.