Tips for Fishing a Big Bait in the Summer with Carl Jocumsen

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

All right. Welcome everyone to the Serious Tangler Podcast, where as always, our main course for you will be talking and hopefully teaching you more about bass fishing. As always, I'm your host, Bailey Ike Brett, and we have a bonus show for you guys this week. A little bit of impromptu, spontaneous show here. And we are joined by the one and only Mr. Carl Jockamson. And we are talking two main things on today's show. What you notice, you guys, is just me as we're talking about this is a last-minute show that we ran here because Carl is having his big lake cleanup event this weekend. So we wanted to highlight that, encourage you guys in your area to go and get signed up, go clean up your lakes this weekend. It doesn't have to be something crazy. Just take 10 minutes before you go launch the boat or kayak or you fish in the bank to uh load up a little bag of trash and make your uh local fishery a little bit cleaner. Uh so no deacon on this show for this week. Uh he'll be back for next week's show that we'll have with Mr. John Cruz. But uh we get Carl on here, talk about his late cleanup and talk about some big bait summertime fishing. There's a lot of glide bait, big bait juice within this one. So the show is kind of almost split in half. We're talking about the late cleanup and all the impacts and stuff that's going on there, and then we talk about some big bait fishing in the summer. So some awesome stuff, no ads, no nothing for this one. Uh, and I know we've had some folks ask, you know, well, hey, you guys had some more ads within your shows. Well, we've had some awesome new partners here on the show. So we've been adding some of that in, but don't worry, it's just once a week. And support those that support this show because they help us put out some better and more content, which I say recently as we're getting back to regular scheduled programming for you guys. So support those that support us and support Carl and his mission. I'll leave the link down below to Fear My Heart's website where you guys can go sign up your local fishery. They're trying to hit a hundred different fisheries for this year. I think Carl mentioned the show. They're right at around 60 as of yesterday. We're putting this out, guys. We filmed this literally at 8:30 in the morning. Today's Thursday, June 5th. You're getting this episode dropped on Thursday, June 25th. Um, I don't know if it's a June 5th or 25th. This is where my brain's at already. Uh, but amazing show, Carl. Always a pleasure to get him on here. So without further ado, let's get into today's bonus show, Mr. Carl Jockhamson. All right, folks. Uh, you've probably seen a lot of them this week. Had a banger show on the Mercer podcast, but it's a big week in the Jockhamson house, man. Carl, what's going on, man?

SPEAKER_02 2:26

Yeah, sitting uh sitting in the shop here. I got Chase out there. Rivy is terrorizing him while he's trying to take pictures, but she's learning. Chase bought her a little uh unicorn camera and she's she toes that around with us. So uh she might put Chase and a few others out of a job here, hopefully soon, and start taking photos. But they're out there shooting the uh new trailer and we're about to load all the prizes up and uh just prepping this. It it seems like just a cleanup, and it wouldn't be too much, but it's it's months and months of prep, and then as it gets closer, it's it it takes up most of your days trying to, you know, we're trying to make this not just a cleaner, we're trying to make it just a big thing that we can continually do for years to come and do more of them. But I want to make sure my sponsors uh know they're appreciated and get all the stuff that they've they've put in for us um out there. So we're uh we're going pretty hard making sure it's all set up nice. But super cool year partnering with Bill Dance Signature Lakes, like that just kind of came out of nowhere. And uh now we've got our own enclosed trailer and then keep Tennessee River beautiful. They Kathleen there has been amazing, and they have these two big barge boats, and they've lent us both those boats, so we have those two. So I won't be putting trash in the skeeter this year, or keep it clean, and uh yeah, no, super cool. Everything's coming together. So a couple of a couple of days away from making it happen.

SPEAKER_00 4:04

Yeah, now you'll have the big trailer garbage bag picture, not the full skeeter boat full of garbage bag.

SPEAKER_02 4:10

Yeah, I know, yeah, yeah. It gets pretty nasty when you really start getting after it. Like last year was a real eye-opener. Well, every year has been, but Kathleen and those cleanup groups, like I mean, and for people that are wondering what this is like, it what the people that actually come to the cleanups, they come away from it just like eyes open, like a it's almost like a life-changing experience for them because you think of it as walking on the bank, picking up a bottle here, a piece of paper there, like a bit of trash here and there. This is like full savage mode. Everything is getting taken out of the water. And when you get in the boat with Kathleen, she'll have 15 people there, and her and the girls that work for her, they're in the water, they're dragging stuff out. Like, there's no just like, oh, get as much as we can and leave it. It's like, no, this place is gonna be spotless when we leave. And so when everyone's yeah, it's like sort of you sit when someone leads and gets in and gets after it and gets muddy, it fires everyone up, and they just start doing it, and like in the end, everyone comes back and they're soaked and they're muddy and they've worked super hard, and then you look and you've pulled thousands of pounds of trash out, and you're like, this is this is what it's about.

SPEAKER_00 5:30

That's awesome, dude. I would love to see the before and after pictures of the areas that that get cleaned up. That'd be yeah, it's it's like it's if people haven't seen it before, it's pretty impressive the amount of sheer just trash and things that you wouldn't think of get taken out that you guys have brought out the past couple years.

SPEAKER_02 5:50

What everyone will say is like from a distance, it looks fine. Like if we drive down there right now, you'd be like, Why are we even doing this? It's there's not there's not even a there's nothing, it's beautiful. And then you go into a couple of these creeks, you start walking the bank, you go around the ramps, and then you start to see it. And uh, like last year, and me and Chase are gonna go fishing today and uh hopefully go and catch some fish, but we're gonna go and do some scouting around. But like I found this creek, and it was just everything was beautiful, but this one creek, dude, it was so packed that I was like it was overwhelming. I'm like, we can just chip at this and get some of it out, but then um Kathleen and another boat came and my boat, and she's like, No, we're getting all of this, and then like 20 people got in there and we cleaned this entire like creek section out, and you know, it was there probably it was thousands of pounds of trash in there that we just pulled out in one go. So um the cool part is like Kathleen said that this sodi creek where we really have concentrated the last two years of cleanup for ours is getting cleaner, it's harder to find the trash. So, like it is working what we're doing, and that's why I want more people, more boats, spread out more, more lakes. You know, the more people we do this, you actually it's a it's a you know, it's a chain reaction, you actually start seeing a real difference.

SPEAKER_00 7:13

Yeah, and you guys have like a system set up for like if they can't make it, or they're not in Tennessee type of deal, they can kind of like almost sign up their area if you will.

SPEAKER_02 7:23

So that was the that was the thing with MRSA. Like for me, what the whole frustration was is like it's like like it's so hard to get the word out there. Like, I think I would get the support if I could get the word out. And so like you just see on social it really sh shuts down stuff when you for whatever reason, like you know, I've got uh over a hundred thousand followers, and it'll show like a post where I'm like promoting that, it'll say like 20 people have seen it, and I'm just like, what the heck? Like it's just like they just shut it off. And I'm like, how do you get the word out? Because when the word gets out there, people are like, hey, I want to be a part of that. And sometimes often when we start posting about the cleanup, people are like, I would have loved to have been a part of that, and they never saw it. So we've worked really hard this year, we've handed pamphlets out um all over um Chattanooga area. Um, when I was down when your brother was there, uh, when I met your brother uh at the ramp, I was putting pamphlets in everyone's windshields. I felt like a like I was a like promoter.

SPEAKER_01 8:33

Window salesman? Yeah, like I was a full window salesman. I'm like, uh, it's for a good cause.

SPEAKER_02 8:38

So I just put them in everyone's windows because the boat ramp was packed there, and it was at the sodi ramp. So I'm like, if you like using this creek, come and uh pay the piper and clean up some trash.

SPEAKER_00 8:51

I would have loved to have some hidden GoPros around how many people thought they had tickets or something like this.

SPEAKER_01 8:57

You know, when you see a thing in your window, you're like, oh, here we go. Yeah, and they kind of got that too because they pick it up and it's like, come and pick up trash. They're like, Oh, what? I'm not doing it.

SPEAKER_00 9:08

Community service, yeah, get rolling.

SPEAKER_02 9:11

But the cool thing is, is we've got so many cool prizes. Yeti, like if you show up, you're gonna get a Yeti yonder, you're gonna get a bunch of free stuff, and then we got just thousands of dollars worth of prizes. So cool, Rapala. Um, just everyone has really got on board Turtle Box this year, which is super cool. They were just all over it. So it's um we're gonna have tons of prizes and incentives, and it's uh every single time after the day, you've got like an adrenaline rush, like there's something about everyone together working together. It's hard to put that because I don't know, whatever life and stuff throws at you, you tend to do your own thing, and or it's competition, and you're against each other in uh in all these aspects that we do, and this is the one thing where like you you're working together as a big team, and uh and there's just a lot of relationship building, a lot of talking, a lot of like just people meeting different people, and like we're all there to do the one thing to make something better. And it's um yeah, it's it's more than just picking up trash. There's there's a lot, there's a lot deep stuff to it that gives people a lot of meaning and a lot of purpose, and I just see them when they get back, they're like, I this is crazy, and they're talking and they're just fired up, and I'm like, this is what it's about, this is cool.

SPEAKER_00 10:39

Yeah, for anybody that hasn't seen your post, there's a mountain of stuff that they can they can get if they they show up to the event. But did you you you mentioned it's there's something so true about that where it's that feeling of just expending a little bit of elbow grease and getting stuff done for a better, like a better cause, that there is a gratifying feeling afterwards that almost leaves you fulfilled but also hungry for more. And that is what I think is what's awesome, what you're doing. And dude, I mean you've caused a chain reaction here. Let's be honest, because you see you got Afco cleanup, there's now a Suzuki cleanup with the BPT guys, like more and more people did it.

SPEAKER_02 11:22

Because they saw the you know, the just the momentum in it. The problem is there's no money in it, so it's it's hard for a big business to like continue with it, but like they're kind of I just want the support. Like, I the last couple of years we've spent literally tens of thousands of dollars to clean up the trash, so it is it's not a very good business decision, but I'm like, but um, it's great lessons for a lot of people. This is what I want to teach the younger generation coming up in fishing, because we I got taught this um a long time ago from Gene Eisman, and it was like you had to give a lot before you got anything, and so you had to give a lot for free on the things that you wanted and believed in before anything came back, and so you know, when you're young, you tend to be like, Look what I can look what I'm can do, or what can you do for me? It's just we all have it. I was like it, and then a couple things happened, and Gene was I was like, I really want a Lance camper, like I want a truck camper in the back of my truck. That's how I envision us traveling, that that's how I can see us being, you know, doing what we want. And Gene was like, I'll help you get an old one and just see if you like it. And so he helped us get this real old, like 2010 beat up Lance. And then he was like, So Lance didn't even know about us, didn't have anything to do with it. And Gene just said, treat it, treat this like Lance bought you the camper, and this is like the best that this is what you want to do, and so we we loved it. Kayla and I were we're out of the back of the truck, we weren't in hotels, now we're at campsites, now we had fires at night, and we just showed, like, oh, this life is the deal. Well, the next year Lance saw it and we tagged them and showed them in pictures, and the next year, Lance is like, hey, we don't we love what you're doing, we don't want you in that old camper. And then we did like one of the biggest sponsorship deals that we had gotten at the time, and had a brand new Lance on our truck the next the very next year, and uh I was like, Oh, that is crazy how that happened, and now it's the same thing, like, yeah, we've spent a bunch of money the last three or four years, and I'm like, this is not a good business decision, but I feel like it's right and I want to do it. And um, next minute Bill Dance Signature Lakes comes to us, next minute other companies are coming saying, we want to be more a part of what you're doing, we want to help just support you, and now we can have the funds to pay some videographers to come in, we can pay, you know, and we can get more prizes, more incentives, more people. We've got um food getting bought for everyone from that mo from Mohawk carpets. Like there's just a ton that you can do then, but like it took years of putting in and spending money. But if you if you got the right heart and the right idea, I think it'll eventually people will step in and start to actually help you. Um and what what you said before it's like it's doing something that's not for you because we just are driven to be like, I have to grow and I have to get bigger and I need this. And like when you do something that um is just it's not it's nothing to do with you, or you're doing you're cleaning up someone else's trash, like someone else that someone else put it there. Um, and it is and in a lot of cases it's not even your lake, or it's not you know anything to do with you, but there's something that's so much more fulfilling when you do that. It's um it's just different.

SPEAKER_00 15:12

Yeah, well, and it goes back to this, doesn't even have to apply to this, but there is the the the quote of chase what your passion chase your passion and the dollars will follow. Yep. You know, whether that's starting with zero, that's starting in debt, you know, like what you were talking about starting out with, you know, you're putting a lot of money into this thing and still are just because you believe in the mission. The brands will see that and the brands will follow, like that's and that goes for any walk of life, whether you're fishing or not. But it's uh I love seeing that. I love seeing that come full circle. And that's that is a great, like you said, great learning lesson for the younger generations of sometimes you don't have to start with the money, you gotta start with putting in a little bit of equity first.

SPEAKER_02 15:54

And just even like if you like for me, I loved Shimano, like just from a kid, I'm like, I want a Shimano real. I've just you know, it was that one thing. Some people it's another thing or another rod, but like I wanted a Shimano so bad, saved up and bought one. Um, but I wanted to be sponsored by them bads, but it took years of me just using, you know, Shimano and even going in a lot of times with kids now, you're gonna go through companies giving you other offers or wanting to give you free product or something. And but if you have that belief in that that brand, that lure company that you know whether could a lot of it's crushed city repala, like it's cool, and peep kids want to be sponsored by that, use it and promote it and catch them and just keep doing it. And if you when you have the value and you do it enough, they'll they'll come to you, they'll they'll see you when and and when they come to you now. You know like you're you're doing something right, you're you're a value, and then it'll be you know long standing too.

SPEAKER_00 16:57

That's what creates those more longer-term, more meaningful partnerships. Yeah, is that because they know it's not just there because of the dollars, they know it's there because one you believed in it in the first place. Yeah, that's the biggest, the biggest route and biggest foundation of all that. Um, dude, I I gotta ask. So in the cleanups, have you found have you caught anyone, maybe including yourself, sneaking away for a cast or two yet?

SPEAKER_02 17:22

We've thought about, we want to do, we want to like implement some kind of fishing thing into itself.

SPEAKER_01 17:28

Anyone's got ideas, like it would be really cool to like you have to like clean up a bag of trash and weigh in a bass, like every, you know, something like that.

SPEAKER_02 17:37

Like have some sort of trash bass cleanup. But uh, yeah, no, no one's brought a rod and reel yet. We've just gone and get after it. It's surprising how quick the day goes. Like, we we're there at eight, sort of all set up, but like by the time we get through everything, if everyone's gone by 8:39, like 12 o'clock goes like that, and you've got 10,000 plus pounds of trash like sitting in front of the tent there. It's it it happens, it flies by. So we kind of uh we just head down and get into it, get it done.

SPEAKER_00 18:12

That could be interesting. You almost you know, split your group of people into two, and then from there you have like a flip-flop. So it's like one part of that group is cleaning, the other part is trying to catch, you know, say biggest fish of the day. They flip-flop halfway through the day, and then at the end of the day, you got the heaviest weight of trash, oh yeah, the heaviest bass.

SPEAKER_02 18:33

That could be I think something like that would be cool. And you mentioned before you can sign up the lakes. I I I didn't follow up on that. Like we we have we were trying to get a hundred lakes worldwide that come up on our map. So, what people think is they have to organize a cleanup. But if you're just out fishing this weekend, this is why I I messaged Mercer and you and just said, can we jump on? Because I just want to tell people if you're going fishing this weekend, you can sign up that lake and it will pop up on the Fearma Heart website, it will give us another lake, another state, um, and potentially another country. And then we're not asking to put in five, six hours or a full day, just take a bag out there and pick up one bag of trash, sign your lake up. And I just know that the more we get to do that, people see it and then they ask, what are you doing? And it's like a chain reaction. So just that one bag you clean up, and then if you post it and show what you did, that bag turns into 10 bags, 20 bags. Like Kayla and I cleaned up 10 bags of trash off a Gunnersville bridge, and it's turned into hundreds of thousands of pounds of trash being pulled out of lakes all over the world. Like, that's crazy that's the cool part about social media. That's the the good part, you know. There's a lot of bad parts about it, but that's the that's the such the best part about you can motivate people, you can inspire people, and you can do good things with it as well. And it's crazy that it's turned into this.

SPEAKER_00 20:01

Yeah, and dude, that's just not one day of clicks. That's that's long-lasting impact and legacy, man, is what I would coin that is. I guess so. You'll have uh you'll have two states added to that. I'm gonna go on and add it to this because I'm going actually out walleye fishing Saturday with Destined to Marion out of out of Erie, and then from there I'm actually gonna drive. We're getting off at like noon. I'm driving, I think, to the Susky out of New York, and then I'm gonna do it there too. So we'll add we'll add two more two more fisheries to the week.

SPEAKER_02 20:33

So after Mercer's podcast, where I gotta Sherry's got an update this morning, but within the first hour, there was another 10 people signed up of it going up. So we're at we're it we were at 60 something last night. Um, so I'm pretty keen to see what it is this morning because um Merce's podcast got quite a few views, and there was a lot of comments in there saying, like, yeah, I'm gonna sign up, so that'll be that'll be cool.

SPEAKER_00 20:58

Let's get that sucker to 100, man. That'll be yeah, cool.

SPEAKER_01 21:01

It'd be so cool.

SPEAKER_00 21:03

Yeah, well, we'll be putting this thing out the same day. So hopefully here on Thursday, June 25th, we'll hopefully break 100 by by tonight. That would be pretty cool. And we'll have to do an update for the folks if we do hit 100. Uh but freaking awesome, man. Um, dude, anything else to share on the light cleanup? Because we you know we got to talk a little bit of bass in here on this show. That's good. I want to make sure we get through it.

SPEAKER_02 21:26

Yep, no, that's awesome.

SPEAKER_00 21:28

Well, dude, thank you. Anyone that knows you knows you're a big bait guy. And I think in the past year or two, the big bait game has certainly exploded outside of the the West Coast, outside of you know the the garage swim bait makers. Uh when it comes to the summertime, I feel like a lot of swim bait fishing. I mean, it's it's I don't want to call it easier, but you it seems like you can get a lot more bites in the spring, obviously, because fish fish are all moving up, they're shallow, they're congregated. Yeah, but in the summertime it it can be a little more. challenging when you have a lot of fish move out deep. You know, obviously you know you have your suspenders, things like that. What what's some of your tips for people that want to go catch them in the summertime? Whether it's you know is it a glide bait game, is it a soft bait game? And kind of what are like easier places to go and throw them?

SPEAKER_02 22:17

So yeah, it was always like the last from about three years ago onwards, it was like put the glide away almost in summertime. There was like a few situations where you might get um you might get some fish on some deeper docks, you know, you might um you might catch them on some bluff walls, some shade pockets, stuff like that. I caught a few years ago um I caught a nearly a 10 pounder here on chick like in the middle of summer every fish was on the ledge but there was current hitting the front side of a bluff wall and she was just like on that front of the um bluff like right in the current and she just waddled out from about 10 feet down and ate it. And that was in the middle of summer but that was kind of like a rarity but to be honest like summertime is the best time to use it and um it's turning into the best time to use it. And it's because you know majority is because forward facing like it's changed everything. Now you can learn so much you can see the bait you can see the fish react you can sink it down and it's turned into a brush pile um a ledge a tree a bridge um you name it you can get that bait down to them and it's still you know I don't really love to talk about it but it's out there now but like it's it's insane. Like you know if you get a bait a big bait like that where there's some big fish down 20 plus feet the fish don't follow it they just come and get it and uh I've had some monster days the last couple years um just sinking a big glide bait down to fish and um and you know you kind of saw it with Hunter uh on the Pasqua Tank like those fish were up high but they were in a brush pile and it was summer and but you just saw the reaction of them like he's even said like he couldn't get them to bite and then all of a sudden like he throws that glide in there and they just react to it. So basically everything is using the exact same glides the same ones you love but weighting them perfectly and getting the right sink rate where they don't sink like a rock and they yeah and then and then they don't take too long to get down there especially when you got current and then just getting it and getting those deeper fish to then see that bait and once you get them to like from what I've seen you the bait will be coming down and if you can get that fish to just start to see it it's done like in a lot of scenarios you're like okay seeing it and you're chopping it and the fish might come up and chase and back off in those scenarios down deep once they start to move on that bait and you start to chop it it just turns into the line getting tight and um so there's there's a lot of different ways to weight them but you can go with bigger hooks heavier hooks lead wire around the hooks lead strips tungsten strips tungsten weights weights on the nose um there's so there's a a bunch of different ways but you have to it's tricky because I mean the slightest bit of weight can go from the bait you know suspending to the bait sinking like a rock and so you you really gotta like a lot of people like the lead wire because you can just back one off and break it and do it again and if you put a big lead strip on there or something it's hard to make it minimal but I can't really talk about it but there's a new bait that's going to be out at iCast and I you might have seen it but I've been I've had it for a while now and it's gonna be it's gonna be pretty pretty badass.

SPEAKER_00 26:08

Oh yeah for doing a little bit of everything like that.

SPEAKER_02 26:11

We'll have to do an update when that's out because yeah we'll leave it at that but uh dude it's I I feel like that's starting to become a little bit more popular with I've seen you guys do it on the elites you know Milliken's been doing it for a while on his channel out in Texas yeah um it's it's getting up there but like you said though there's like it's almost like they don't see that presentation down that deep anymore um yeah when it when it comes to that dude is there like I I know we're gonna have people ask is like is there a time of day for you that you think is like the prime time like is it a early morning late evening or does it really not matter is it just presenting the right cast yeah that's yeah there's deaf like there's always bite windows and always you know they might be a bit more fired up um in the mornings or afternoons but yeah no I've I just fish it all day slick you know you get slick calm conditions sun um you try and catch one like that up shallow it's gonna be hard where like you sink that thing down 20 25 feet and they're gonna come and eat it like they've never seen it before a lot of the time um so definitely conditional conditions don't make as much of a difference when it's down that deep you just want a little bit of a little bit of clarity um you want that fish to see it you want the bait to move water you want it to be a really high quality bait that's going to glide really well um without you seeing it you know like the thing that people have to learn is like it's all feel in the hand and like forward facing has really sped that learning curve up but for me my the years of like that repetition someone can have that glibait beside me and I'm like oh no don't chop it now chop it now and they're sort of thinking that just this is going to do it where like you need to feel the tightness and know that bait has gotten tight on this way before you and so every chop is like perfect. The only way you can mess up one of the best ways to mess up a really good fish coming on your glide is to chop it at the wrong time or get it to do something weird like right when he's about to commit and that comes with one it being not the best bait um but some baits are really good but they're finicky you have to do everything perfect. Some baits you just can't do anything wrong. You just if you wind it it's gonna chop and stay upright but the worst thing a bait can do is tilt on its side and dive or come upwards or do something. You want that bait to really sit up and down and chop hard and push water and never alter off that whether you go super fast or whether you slow it easy down and when you can get the bait to do those like two or three different tempos that's what making the fish move closer and closer and closer and then commit to the bite so what I tell people is get in crystal clean water and cast close and practice and watch and look at your line and feel through the reel the tension and the tightness and watch what happens when you pause for too long and that bait comes all the way around faces you now you do the big chop it's gonna just pull it backwards and turn on itself and do something weird. And so when you do a hard chop and that bait wants to turn all the way around you want to take the tightness up a little bit and get the nose to start to turn before it chops again. You know that's just the tiniest little details that I've learnt that if you start when you do that pause and you pause for long it's great that bait's going to come all the way around turn on itself but now you go back to chopping it. You it's gonna hook the line it's going to turn on itself it's gonna fold so you need to like take up that slack and pull the bait around a little bit before you go back into a chop. Little things like that make a huge difference. So get in clear water and just do every different type of retrieve you can with the bait that you like and uh and watch it uh hundreds of times so that when that bait's down 25 feet and you have a fish coming on it onto it you are doing the perfect cadence and you know what that bait's doing down deep you're not just guessing.

SPEAKER_00 30:40

Yeah. It's yeah it's very similar to like learning how to throw a jerk bait is you know like the same cadence of understanding the bait not trying to reel and rip on tight line you know that sort of thing it's same deal. Love that so two things left on on the big bait stuff for you. Do you ever divert to a wide glide if they're not on a chop and glide because I feel like a chop and glide become so popular because most anglers like myself are ADHD and are impatient. And it's more of a fun thing to do whereas a glide a wide glide it seems like you need a little bit more patience.

SPEAKER_02 31:16

Yeah have you found yourself diverting to that at all like in there is there are situations where that can be more effective for you this the big wide glide is good for like targeting a single isolated giant like a big fish um and and there is situations but just like I figured out the chop thing a long time ago and that's when it changed everything. It was when Brandon first gave me that Arashi and everything we were doing was making the glide go like this and back and forward and big slow glides and getting a fish to follow it but then it always came down to like trying to chop the bait and get the fish to eat it and I was like why can't you just chop the bait and get them to commit before you see the follow and just not a lot of baits did that back then when I was first trying to do it if you chopped one of those longer baits it would do it would roll or dive or do something. So Brandon gave me this first Arashi and I chopped it and it was the first one that went like a jerk bait but it just like it went back forward and it never altered and then it stopped and literally I did that and I caught like my a 10 10 on it on chick then I caught like just blasted eight nine pounders then I like was leading Chickamauga elite event I was leading the Toyota um championship on Gunnersville. I caught back to back five and six pounders doing it at Lake Champlain and made it to the top 10 had 22 pounds um like it just was like this is in the space of like two years and it was like it was literally like I had a Quakey in my hand. It wasn't quite that powerful but I was like I was catching them on a glide in tournaments when no one was and it was because you could cover ground you could chop and you could just make repetitive casts and move where the wide glide is like it's like you really need to know there's a bass that you can't do that in a tournament unless like you have a spot where you're like there's a some good fish here and they're really smart and I'm trying to draw a big one up. And so I tend to not do that but like at a lake last year sinking a big glide down it was I was using a pretty like you know big just big glides glide glide and those big ones were getting on it and then eating it and I wasn't having to chop it I was just doing big glides and that's what they wanted was moving a lot of water. So there is is room for it but the best part about Ford facing is you chop it and they back off and you're like oh didn't want that so you put a wider glide on and they start to follow it more and get on it and eat it so you you can you know you can adjust quicker.

SPEAKER_00 34:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 34:05

Well dude the last thing I have for you is you know let's let's just take a standard seven eight inch chopping glide run through your rod reel line setup that you're gonna rock with that so I've always run nearly the same rod a Miller rod um dream freak we have one called a beast freak if you want to go a little bit lighter and I'll use the beast freak for sort of a six inch um I really like the beast freak for like a 316 top hook swim bait sort of the Arashi is like the top end of that rod and so glides from an Arashi down but I'm pretty prone to like have all power in the rod like I don't want any give I put the rod butt under my arm I want the reel out in front and I'm I'm the rod and everything is not giving I'm pointing the rod at the bait and I'm chopping with the reel so I don't want the rod to give so the Dream Freaks pretty heavy but like when you load up on it it'll be parabolic but you could boat flip an eight nine pounder with it. It's a heavy rod. It's 710 so it's got a long butt and you can make big long casts or you can roll cast it as well and that's just the rod that I've always used like I you never want a fish to fight a ton on a glide like that's when I've lost them is when I'm like start going oh and chasing them and then they jump and that glide's going I tend to try and horse them and have all of your tackle from your hooks and your split rings everything like dialed and I've I've tried every split ring under the planet but like at that Chickamauga event like it almost cost me the basically cost me the win there I lost a seven and a five pounder like from one of them from the split ring opening up but that just happens but um that rod 710 power down low little bit of tip for a small amount of give to hold those hooks in and um it's just a and and it's a longer butt like that's what you'll like like you want to always lock that rod in there so you're not you're not that rod's not leveraging when you're fighting a big one. And then I have Tranks and on the beast freak I put the tranks 200 and on the big on the Dream Freak I put the Tranks 300 but the biggest thing is ratio like that is everything with a glide you want a 5.8 to one there is no better ratio than that. That ratio is the perfect chopping ratio so like if you have an 8 to 1 and you try and chop when you just do a quarter turn it's pulled so much line that it's like pulling the glide constantly when you have a 5.8 and you do a quarter turn that spool's just gone like really high it's just knocked the glide and so the glide's just knocked and you can't do that with your rod tip or anything you're gonna pull that bait towards you so everything is rod pointed at the glide and then it's all in the reel and it's like and so every time you you're hitting that 5.8 it's just shifting that and it's hitting the glide and keeping it in the one spot and then 5.8 is power so it's got a ton of power so it's like a winch so then an eight pounder eats it you can just start cranking and it's gonna pull that fish in um and then I've been a little bit up and down with line but I'm just starting to go heavier and heavier like I just want no give um sunline does a uh big bait specific line now so I've just gone all that which is really cool they have it's called big bait fc and they have 20 22 and 25 and I pretty much load 22 on everything and just do that and uh that's uh it's a good setup.

SPEAKER_00 37:54

Yeah. The last thing dude and I'll let you go because you are I'm sure busy as all get out especially this week dude if if you get invited to the next Bassmaster Tuesday nighter and you get to pick your teammate you can't pick Brandon I'm sure that's an easy answer.

SPEAKER_02 38:09

But if you get to pick one teammate who who's it gonna be uh probably Gussie me and Gussie have won a bar event in Australia together so we'll uh we've got to win a bass event together I've actually always wanted to fish with Gussie just he fishes a lot of those like smallly tournaments up north so we're we're really trying to make that happen one year where I can get up and fish out of a couple of those um you know either Lake of the woods or he comes down what's that big one out of one of the Great Lakes down low here what's the real big smallmouth tournaments a teams event everyone fish Green Bay Green Bay one yeah I think one of those ones I want to fish one of those big smallly tournaments with him would be fun but yeah I'd have to I'd have to pick Gussie I think we fish well together the the tournament we won in Australia was a barra all nighter and so it went from four in the afternoon till eight o'clock the next morning you need to really like the person that you're fishing with because you get delirious out there fishing.

SPEAKER_01 39:16

And uh it was cool because we got in the lead about midnight and it was a live scoreboard so you could hit you knew where you were and so once we're in the lead we're like we've got to we gotta win this thing and we're just up till eight o'clock in the morning just casting and fishing it was it was fun.

SPEAKER_02 39:34

Dude that's amazing I think we're both going back this year so we're gonna both uh go back and fish the barra tour again so I'll be back in Australia in November be cool.

SPEAKER_00 39:44

Hell yeah from Barrays to go and do some Canadian smallmouth stuff. Heck yeah dude full tour yeah fishing that's it love it man well dude thank you so much for the time thank you for doing what you're doing with the lake cleanup and hopefully this the impact you guys are making just continues to grow and obviously we're a fan and uh yeah good luck with uh the the younger less handsome version of me this weekend uh give them a hard time yeah looking forward to hearing how the weekend goes man yeah we didn't know we didn't realize I realize I was talking to Bailey about his own brother and uh your brother's he I didn't know and he's like yeah that's my brother and I was like oh are you kidding me I didn't even put it together even with the line like yeah you know don't work with that guy he he sucks uh he's terrible I'll give him help perfect well dude good luck this weekend uh tell everyone we say hello and uh looking forward to it man thanks mate appreciate ya all right guys and that is gonna do it for today's show had to of course we had to include some sneaky juicy bass and knowledge in there for you guys while highlighting the awesome job that him and his team are doing on the lake cleanup I really encourage you guys to go out on your local fisheries this weekend if you're going fishing anyways just go to the website super fast just sign up your local fishery pick up a couple things of trash around your ramp and let's get over 100 fisheries for the weekend and make each of our fisheries better than when we left it. So uh awesome show excited to see what comes out of this weekend for the lake cleanup and uh hopefully you guys took a little bit of that knowledge of that summertime big bait fishing and apply it to your fisheries if they eat a big bait on your fishery uh this coming weekend hopefully here's some fish stories big fish stories and then let us know if you do sign up and uh on that lake cleanup we'll send out some Sears angler stickers to the folks that did sign up from the show. Guys this was awesome thanks again to Carl for always taking out the time to come on the show and uh we will always back and support all the different things he's doing with himself and his brand and the Fear My Heart brand to um leave the bass world a better place. So folks appreciate y'all and we'll see you next week we got a new real biology coming at you on Monday and then Wednesday we are joined by Mr. John Cruz appreciate y'all and we'll see you on the next one.