The OuterBelt's Podcast
The OuterBelt's Podcast
From Economic Edges to Eagles Cheers
Explore the tangled web of tariffs and border security in North America with our spirited team, including Patrick, Chili, Buttermilk, Eric, Zucchini Bread, and Jerry. Get the inside scoop on the 2025 tariffs and the diplomatic dances involving the U.S., Mexico, and Canada. Will the 30-day suspension of tariffs be enough to untangle cross-border tensions, or is it just a ticking clock towards more complexity? We break down how these international chess moves are shaping the landscape, and whether Mexico's National Guard deployment and the U.S.'s crackdown on weapon trafficking will tip the scales.
Shift your focus to the pulse of American manufacturing, where tariffs are stirring the pot for industries and consumers alike. Find out why companies are racing against the clock to export from Canada and Mexico before tariffs bite, and what this rush means for giants like Kansas City Railway and Canadian National. Is the U.S.’s 10% tariff on Chinese goods a clever nudge towards negotiation, or a prelude to economic storm clouds? From Airbus's strategic production shifts to the resurgence of American microchip manufacturing, discover how tariffs are reshaping the industrial horizon.
Join us for a light-hearted detour into the joys of Super Bowl parties and TV nostalgia. Are you team Kansas City or flying high with the Eagles? Remember, it’s about the food and fellowship as much as the game. We’ll share our plans for a feast of tacos, fajitas, and the elusive sopapillas. And, who could resist a bit of “Little House on the Prairie” nostalgia amid all this hustle? Plus, get a glimpse into Bruce Willis's heartwarming visit to the Pacific Palisades, where the star shines through despite his cognitive challenges. Engage with us, share your thoughts, and let's make this journey through trade intricacies and simple pleasures an unforgettable one.
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Speaker 2:I was hoping they would read between the lines. There's only one way to check a mattress. Well, two ways, but one way well, we hate to get political.
Speaker 3:It's just not what we do on this show. We're not those people. However, we are living in what I would like to call the tariff times Bum, bum, bum, clouds, music, thunder.
Speaker 1:Big symphony music.
Speaker 3:Today, I believe, was the kickoff of the great tariffs of 2025, is it not?
Speaker 2:It was supposed to be yes, and what happened? Well, both Mexico and Canada had conversations with President Trump.
Speaker 3:Is that Canada, oh, canada.
Speaker 2:Oh, canada, that's long, any of that stuff.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so anyways, they had-.
Speaker 2:They had conversations with President Trump.
Speaker 3:The entirety of Mexico and Canada, the entirety of Mexico and Canada. Can you imagine?
Speaker 2:Zoom has come a long way from where they were before COVID.
Speaker 3:What's that plan cost, Jerry?
Speaker 1:What's the 100?
Speaker 3:million person plan cost.
Speaker 2:So the presidents of Mexico and the prime minister of Canada both had a conversation with President Trump independently. A conversation with President Trump independently, and they came to an agreement where we're going to temporarily suspend the tariffs that were announced for 30 days, while they make changes to the issues that President Trump had with their individual countries. Mexico is deploying what was the number? 100,000?.
Speaker 3:Was it 100,000 or 10,000? It might have been 100,000?. Was it 100,000 or 10,000?
Speaker 2:It might have been 100,000. It is 10,000 National Guard members to the border to help prevent drug trafficking from Mexico to the United States. The United States is committed to helping to stop. Working to prevent trafficking of high-powered weapons into Mexico Makes sense. So we're looking at 30 days where we'll see what happens there and hopefully those I shouldn't say hopefully, that's given an opinion but then if things happen correctly, the tariffs will not be reinstated in 30 days. On the Canadian border they were a little late to the party, weren't they?
Speaker 3:They?
Speaker 2:were, because the first article that I saw was strictly Mexico. Yes, I saw the same thing and then I saw another one that actually talked about what Canada is doing. I guess their plane was late.
Speaker 3:So I actually had a call this morning with some of our people we work with and we were talking over freight cycles and what's happening and obviously this is a huge part of it. And even at that point this morning there were still some people that were like Canada said something. But we're not positive if it's going to stick. From what I read now, it looks like it's stuck. Yeah, for 30 days at least. It's not for a long time.
Speaker 1:Is 30 days enough time to see if the temporary Band-Aid is going to fix the problem? Whatever, the problem is?
Speaker 3:I don't think it's really seeing what will fix the problem. I think it's a gesture of goodwill. From both countries that way they can have 30 more days to talk and negotiate. It's a ceasefire, just like you'd see in the Middle East, of like you give a little this, you give a little that. It's not what either one of them really wants, but it buys so much time of not killing anyone or, in this case, not tariffing anyone to be able to have those discussions.
Speaker 2:I think it. Also, if those discussions are productive over the next 30 days, I then you know we look forward to more of that in actions, because actions do take longer right? So for those things to happen, if for some reason, someone gets stubborn and throws a fit and doesn't want to move, doesn't want to compromise, then we may see those tariffs go back into. Throws a fit and doesn't want to move, doesn't want to compromise, then we may see those tariffs go back into effect. This is just me speculating, because it doesn't really give us any sort of guidance other than what the plans are.
Speaker 1:Yes, and so what happened between Canada and the US? You mentioned what Mexico and the US agreed to.
Speaker 3:Canada is going to implement a $1.3 billion border plan which includes more choppers and technology personnel. To what did he say? Enhance coordination with their American partners and increase their resources to stop the flow of fentanyl. I was going to say to help fentanyl, but that's opposite of what we're trying to do.
Speaker 2:So yeah, and they're also saying nearly 10,000 frontline personnel are and will be working on protecting the border, so it looks like they're looking to increase the personnel that are on the border. Yeah.
Speaker 3:It really looks like this is a case where what's coming through canada is fentanyl yeah, that's. You know that's really the only thing that kind of really harped on, um. So I know that trump's always talking about a trade imbalance, that sort of thing, um, so I'm sure that's part of it. But at least this step is we will do more to help stop fentanyl coming across the border, which I will say as someone who used to be a driver that would drive in and out of Canada all the time commercial vehicles. Canada has very little, if any, border Patrol presence at the borders. Right, jerry, it was all the Americans that really were the border patrols. So you could, they weren't really doing a lot to stop anything coming from Canada into America at all. Now, the American border agents I think we've talked about them before you're presumed guilty until you've proven your innocence.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 3:But I could certainly see this being a case where um, there you know, there are things they could do to help up up what they're already doing.
Speaker 3:So it is interesting. I uh was listening to, um, some people talk about this, like I said earlier, and they were talking about how, over the past um week or so, it's been a mad rush in these countries to get as much product out of these countries as possible. Anybody that was manufacturing items in Mexico or in Canada for the past week. It's been a rush to get as much product out because they knew they were going to have these tariffs. So get it out as much as they can. That way they can get that product once it's out of the country, then it doesn't have the tariff. So get it out as much as they can. That way they can get that product once it's out of the country, then it doesn't have to tariff. So I know there was a mad dash to get all that out, which inflated freight a little bit Not a ton, but it did a little bit and then we saw the complete opposite happen. So Kansas City Railway and and Canada.
Speaker 3:Canadian National. Yes, they joined forces several years ago or a couple years ago. They joined and combined to become one big company. Their stock prices have taken a major hit because so much of what they do is Canada into America and back, back and forth. And leading up until really to Tuesday, canada was saying well, if you're going to charge us 25% tariff, we're going to charge you 25% tariff a tit for tat, so to speak. And they just knew that was going to murder the railways. It was going to make it really hard for them to operate because there'd be no freight to go back and forth.
Speaker 3:It's been an interesting few days where we've seen this massive influx of freight and then immediately followed by the stock market correcting itself, knowing, hey, this is about to happen. Yeah, it's been interesting. So I am glad to see that we have a 30-day reprieve of this. But the real question is what's going to happen Now? There was a 10% tariff going to China. So the 10% Chinese tariffs that I could Tariffs on China, I should say it seems to be on a broad grouping of goods, I think household goods. If you remember, a couple weeks ago we talked about tariffs.
Speaker 5:It was T-MU, wasn't it? Yeah, what was it called?
Speaker 3:The Border Patrol, they were Getting the exemption.
Speaker 2:Yes, it was an exemption Items under a certain amount $800.
Speaker 3:So I think this is attacking more of that kind of stuff. It says it's going to be about $450 billion worth of Chinese goods being targeted by the US, so it's a lot. It's interesting. There's a lot of people that are super nervous about we're getting these 10% increases in tariffs. That's going to hurt the American people, because the goods you're about to buy are now 10% higher. But there's a lot of people saying it's not far enough because 10% increase is relatively small and during Trump's election he was actually saying 60% up to 60% is what he was going to charge in tariffs, which at that point, you are saying we can just no longer buy product from you. We now have to buy it elsewhere. So there's a lot of people thinking this might just be a move on Trump's end to try and make China work with us and just know that, hey, if this 10% doesn't work, we'll ramp it up to 20%, we'll ramp it up to 30%, kind of thing.
Speaker 1:I see.
Speaker 3:Without immediately jumping into it and hurting the American people too bad, because there is that part of it right. Tariffs are a great way to control, to get what you want out of another country, but it doesn't always work. I mean, you look at Cuba, sure, it hadn't worked for Cuba work. I mean, you look at Cuba, it hadn't worked for Cuba. It is a great way to slow down spending and then that hurts the country that the tariffs are being imposed against. So it does work. A really good example of that, I think, would be Airbus. So Airbus Industries, the A220 and the A320, those airplanes are made in America now, even though it's a European airplane manufacturer. Because of the tariffs placed on those airplanes, it's actually cheaper for them to make it in America, hire American labor and build those here and get those jobs here, than it is to build them in Europe and fly them here. So you know it works out for us sometimes, yeah. So I think it's interesting to see what's going to happen with all this. If these tariffs do keep going and get much worse, it will drive manufacturing to America.
Speaker 3:I think of, like the chips, the microchip situation Sure, that was a thing where America basically quit making their own microchips. I mean, we didn't completely quit, but it really set us back. We really weren't using them at all. And then, when COVID happened and all these other countries that were making our chips for us locked down to the point where we could no longer get microchips. It wasn't a tariff that caused it, but it was a wake-up call for the American people. And now there's chip factories all over, dotted all over the country, and so we're no longer dependent on foreign resources for those microchips.
Speaker 3:Have they gotten more expensive? A little bit. It's really negligible. I've been really impressed when I've been reading how much companies make or save when they ship these manufacturing jobs abroad. It's not nearly what you think. There is certainly the sweatshop t-shirts that I can make them for 88 cents in China or I can make them for $10 here in America. That exists. But a lot of your really high-tech stuff you would know best, lot of your really high tech stuff you would know best uh jerry. A couple years ago apple was in the hot seat for uh manufacturing their goods in china and still are they.
Speaker 3:they came back and they said for us to make them here in america. I want to say an iphone was like going to be 200 more expensive, or something like that. Do you remember that? Is that about what it was About that? Yeah, so on a $1,200 phone, $200 isn't a whole lot more. But when you look at the hundreds of thousands that they manufacture, it makes Apple so much more money. Having that manufacturing in China Does that make sense? Yeah, or in Taiwan? I mean, now they've kind of they're not really as heavy in China as they used to be right.
Speaker 6:Yeah, they've moved a lot to like South Korea and then over here in the US they've started plants not for the iPhone but for computers. They do the chipset for the Mac Pro computer and stuff. Yeah.
Speaker 3:So I mean, you know, will it hurt if this goes further? Yes, temporarily. I heard an interesting conversation the other day and they were talking about the job market and manufacturing, moving it outside of the country and how we can make a product cheaper which saves all of America a little bit of money. But all those people that lost their jobs because they no longer have that anymore, and when moving I mean a lot of these factory towns, moving the factories out kills the town.
Speaker 3:All those people now become a burden on the Americans that are making money. Still, your taxes go up to support them and so is that cheaper product cheaper when you look at the entire scale of what's going on with taxes and everything else, and it definitely it made me I don't have data on it, but it does make you take a step back, or made me take a step back and go. That's a good, good point. Like there certainly is repercussions that come from pulling these factories out. Now my only question is they've been out for so long. Is there workers here that can do the job?
Speaker 3:right makes sense I think with something like auto manufacturing, there is right. Like you see, at honda, mercedes, toyota built huge factories, nissan built huge factories. Nissan built huge factories all over America. So certainly there's still that skills out there. But when it comes to other things, what is there?
Speaker 4:I'm trying to imagine if they reinvested in educating people in the skills that we've lost whenever these towns shut down. And if you invest depending on how much money you invest is it worth it in the long run, because the same thing could happen again in like the next decade.
Speaker 3:It is interesting because you do have that these tariffs are being placed by an administration, not by Congress. How much do you reinvest back into the country, knowing that the next administration may do away with these and then all that work you did was for nothing?
Speaker 4:You've got to have some sort of insurance where you're putting your money.
Speaker 3:I certainly get that. I mean obviously as a trucking company that hauls freight and deals in the manufacturing sector. I think it'd be great if we had more of those factory jobs come back to the country. It certainly does help lift a significant business we're in, but at the same time we also built our business not having those because it has been such a long-going problem for so long.
Speaker 1:So at this point it's a waiting game.
Speaker 3:Yeah, at this point it sounds like it's a waiting game.
Speaker 4:Like people investing their money in the stock market. Now's not a good time to do it, because you don't know where everything's going. Keeps flipping back and forth day by day.
Speaker 3:That's true. So think about all the gamblers that are buying up the Kansas City, Southern Canada, Canada, Southern Kansas, whatever it is.
Speaker 4:Canadian National.
Speaker 3:Canadian National Kansas City Railway. Imagine all those people that are buying it up right now on a gamble that these tariffs never do happen and then the stock rebounds. It's not advice. I am not in any way shape or form giving you advice when it comes to finances. It was just a thought that I had of like imagine Stick with the Super Bowl next weekend.
Speaker 4:Super.
Speaker 3:Bowl's tomorrow. It is tomorrow.
Speaker 2:It is tomorrow. Canadian Pacific Kansas City. Thank you Canadian Pacific CP. Thank you Canadian Pacific CPKC.
Speaker 3:It just rolls off the tongue it does.
Speaker 5:CPKC.
Speaker 3:Well, when you think of the Pacific Northwest, you think of Kansas City. Yes, of course, that's how that works for me, right Wrong?
Speaker 1:And not just the Pacific but the Canadian.
Speaker 3:Pacific, the Canadian Pacific, yeah, which they only have like six miles before Alaska touches it again. Right, isn't it like just a little bitty bit of frontage?
Speaker 5:there, yeah, only six miles. It looks like six miles on a map.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 5:I mean, it's only that far.
Speaker 4:It's like an inch. It's an inch.
Speaker 5:Let's go. It's only that far away.
Speaker 1:I didn't realize that we did so much commerce with just Canada and Mexico. I don't know why. Maybe I've got my blinders on to it. I guess I always just assume it's coming in on ships and cargo and you know from overseas, for being so soon into his administration, being just two countries. Um again, I guess I'm enlightened on how much freight or product or commerce we do between both countries.
Speaker 1:So I think, maybe that's on on me for not being, I think, large, educated or ignorant, or having to say it, but I just didn't realize there was so much.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Think about large, bulky items that are low profit I guess you'd say so like water heaters. A lot of water heaters are made in Mexico and Canada. A lot of appliances, refrigerators, a lot of washing machines, dishwashers are made in Mexico and Canada. Cars, a lot of cars, general Motors and Chrysler and Ford all have huge plants, paccar, which makes Kenworth trucks, and Freightliner, they all have huge plants in Mexico.
Speaker 1:I think I knew that yeah.
Speaker 3:So just large bulky items like that typically are where Mexico and Canada shine. And of course, tequila, which we wouldn't think about when you think of manufacturing. But tequila is a huge import. We import a ton of it from Mexico and Canadian whiskey Crown Royal like all that stuff's coming out of Canada and it is. I mention it because it's literally like if you look on the list of tariffs, list of most impacted items, they're both on there.
Speaker 1:Tequila, tequila and Crown Royal, well spirits.
Speaker 3:They call it spirits, but yeah, they're huge imports and exports.
Speaker 4:Yeah, I'm looking up right now on the website Sherwood and they broke down how much money in imports we send to Canada, and food and beverage was the number one at $10.2 billion.
Speaker 3:Well, we send a lot of wheat and things like that over in corn and stuff.
Speaker 1:Well, they're kind of tundra-like, so they're probably not growing all that much.
Speaker 3:Very short seasons yeah, so we certainly do send a lot of that stuff. Now, certain things they make tons of, like I said, wheat, and I think actually they take a lot of wheat. I don't know how much corn they make, but sure there are certain foods that being anywhere any kind of northern country, like you think of the Baltic countries, and stuff they're importing a lot of their food. It's just too cold to grow.
Speaker 4:To emphasize that, like I said, food and beverage it's at $10.2 billion. The next behind it is rubber and plastic at $3. So from $10 to $3 billion difference between number one and number two of what we send them.
Speaker 3:Well, you know, you think of America, we are a very agricultural country. Sure, a very agricultural country. I mean, you get out in California and you get north of Los Angeles and you drove through almond fields and orange fields and olive fields and garlic and you cross the central plains, you see wheat, you see soy, you see corn. I mean like down in Louisiana we're growing sugar, in Florida they're doing oranges and all kinds of like. Because we're so big we have so many different varieties of life.
Speaker 3:Not life but of agriculture. We can harvest, and so we do, and other countries, like Canada, don't have nearly that diverse. I mean Canada is still pretty diverse, but they don't have that degree of it that diverse. I mean Canada's still pretty diverse, but they don't have that degree of it.
Speaker 1:So, ultimately, though, it's.
Speaker 3:Not getting those fresh Canada oranges?
Speaker 1:I want to say wise, smart, maybe for all three countries to come to a resolution so that the people of each countries don't go without.
Speaker 2:We have a trade agreement with Canada and Mexico that was torn up by Trump, oh, and then he recreated a new one, because he felt like the old one was unfair, was it? And he recreated a new trade agreement with Canada and Mexico in his first term, the first one was NAFTA, wasn't it?
Speaker 4:Yes, North American Free.
Speaker 2:Trade Agreement. That one was the one that Trump felt like was unfair to the United States, and he blew it up and negotiated a new agreement with them.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but all three countries essentially need to find some harmonious level in order to help I don't know what the word I'm looking for to ease the way of its population. I don't know how to I was coming at that, all kind of weird.
Speaker 2:Well, everybody wants it to be fair and equitable, sure, as far as trade is concerned, and so there are ways you try and balance that out, and I don't know what the percentage or what the ratio looks like between the united states and canada or mexico and united states. I'm not sure what that ratio looks like, but that's what the goal generally is to be equal opportunity trading sure right, um, equal opportunity trading, sure Right. When you look at Trump's reasons for these tariffs, his reasons are good.
Speaker 2:He's trying to stop the inflow of fentanyl into the country, and Mexico wants to stop the inflow of weapons into their country. So the reasons behind it are good. If they can make that work, great. Then we can not have these tariffs that hurt the economy hurt the people.
Speaker 2:The people hurt the people, whether it's us in America paying more for a product or not having access to products that you know. That's what's going on in Canada right now, where they've removed one of the provinces, removed any liquor that's made in America from their shelves. Yeah, Wow.
Speaker 2:So ultimately that could hurt the spirits businesses in the United States, because they can't now sell into Canada without this huge tariff. Now, yes, the tariff gets passed along to the consumer. So if I got a 25% tariff on a $10 bottle of booze, it's now a $12.50 bottle of booze. So that price goes up. And that's a simple thing. It's not a necessity, but there are things that are necessities that we're going to be paying the extra for those items. Sure, the company that's making the item doesn't just go oh yeah, we'll absorb that. No, they can't stay in business that way. Sure, you know the company that's making the items just go, oh yeah, we'll absorb that.
Speaker 1:No, they can't stay in business that way. Right, I think about food, food being the most.
Speaker 2:Sure.
Speaker 1:You know that's unless you're going to resort to what your providence, I guess, grows yeah but if you live in, if you live in Prince Edward Island, it's potatoes. That's all they grow.
Speaker 3:It's potatoes.
Speaker 1:I guess you're going to have a lot of Lockys.
Speaker 3:And Noki A lot of hash.
Speaker 4:And a footnote to the data I gave. That's data from 2023 and the amount I was saying is in US dollar.
Speaker 2:Yep, so you know there are Terrace Playstone motorcycles. Back in the Early 70s, I believe it was, and the money, the tariff money, the tariffs were placed on Japanese motorcycles and those Japanese manufacturers had to pay X percent more on their bikes and I forget what the percentage is. But that money that the government collected as a tariff on a Japanese motorcycle was distributed to American motorcycle companies to help them stay afloat. We don't do that with tariffs anymore. It just gets passed along to the consumer but it's not going to help or benefit the United States competitors of those foreign companies. There's no benefit there anymore in a tariff.
Speaker 4:Which I wonder if Trump's new agreement says anything about that. That's part of his negotiations, where the money's going whenever we tariff him.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know, it might say that and it might just say general fund.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm not sure what the deal is going to be.
Speaker 4:I'm pretty sure somebody will tell us in the future when this starts, so I know you're listening to this on.
Speaker 3:Saturday, but we actually record on Tuesday, so all this is super fresh. So if we seem a little segmented or confused on some of these things, it's because it is so, so, so new.
Speaker 1:It just happened.
Speaker 3:It just happened. There's lots of different views on tariffs and what they end up doing, and are they good, are they bad? So you know, I cannot for the life of me remember why I felt this way, but I do know when NAFTA got passed it was Clinton that passed it the world was very different than it is today.
Speaker 3:And so when it made sense back then, I don't think it makes sense anymore because the free trade is hurting American businesses and at some point we have to. You know, if we outsource all of our jobs, what are we going to do? So I do understand that that definitely needed reworked and it was benefiting both Mexico and Canada way more than it was benefiting us, which is why Trump did get rid of it. But you know, that also hurt us because we do haul Mexico to Canada. Now we don't haul in Mexico, but both carriers have docks in Laredo and El Paso and all that's where they take Mexican goods, manufacturing in Mexico, and they'll bring them into America or even all the way up to Canada.
Speaker 3:So he was doing a lot of that. And when he got rid of the, so we were doing a lot of that. And when he got rid of the NAFTA agreement, a lot of that slowed way down. But at the time it happened I remember being for it and I just don't remember why, Like again, it's been so long since I really looked into this.
Speaker 3:We could stop the show right now and take 45 minutes for me to re-educate myself on it. But it had to do with the world being so different than what it was, because think back to when Clinton was in office, how many more manufacturing jobs we had here in America, how much more robust that scene was. And so it seemed to make sense let's export our goods. But it kind of backfired where it's like oh no, these greedy companies come in and they shut these factories down and move them outside of the country.
Speaker 3:Right and so it did backfire on us and, um, it did need reworked at a bare minimum, but, like in you said, in this case Trump just tore it up and said we're not doing this anymore. So, uh, I don't know if that was whatever. Uh, but that's. But that's what happened.
Speaker 1:So do you foresee the 30-day clock that's ticking, slowing down freight or keeping freight where it's, at picking freight up again? So there's a lot of Mad panic to ship.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I do think the next month could be interesting. I do think there's a lot of manufacturers that are going to hedge their bets. They're going to go let's make as much as we can over the next 30 days and get it out of our door into America and, worst case, we just have too much inventory here in America. But our best case, we just have too much inventory here in America, we'll sell it out and be fine. Worst case scenario at least they get as much product out before these tariffs hit and they have to make some big changes on their end. Because the immediate is going to be the consumer is going to eat the bill, right, even if a huge company like General Motors says, all right, well, with a 25% tariff we can't make Chevy, luminvy luminous anymore in canada, which I realize, chevy hasn't made a lumina since 1997, um, but they can't just click their finger and immediately have a factory open in america. Making chevy luminous right like that takes a long time that's the investment I was referring to earlier.
Speaker 3:Exactly so there's definitely going to be some burden at first, regardless of what happens on the American people. The question is A will it happen? And B will it eventually be worth it or not? That's the crystal ball that I think is murky and no one has the answer to. When you go into a tough negotiation, there's always a chance you lose, right? Yeah, so that's kind of what these are.
Speaker 3:I've seen some people even call what's happening with China a trade war, which we've had trade wars before. We've had them with China before. So it would definitely be interesting to see what happens over there. But the Mexico and Canada thing, they're just really close to home. With all that being said, if you have any takes, any ideas, maybe the news changes in the time that we have this show and the time it comes out. Drop us a comment, Tell us we're wrong, Tell us we're right, Agree, disagree, whatever. We'd love to hear your comments. Just leave them right there On the comment section. Shoot us an email at theoutofbuckpodcast at gmailcom. Drop us a line on Facebook. Again, we're all looking into a murky ball, a crystal ball, and trying to figure out the future, but it's a very interesting story and news that's happening right now it is uh, like it or don't like it, it's happening and we're in the middle of it.
Speaker 3:So, uh, we're just watching it and trying to see how it plays out. So my question to you, Jerry, the real question I believe, is are you team Kansas city masterpiece? Are you going for the Eagles?
Speaker 6:Jerry's not going for neither, because Jerry doesn't.
Speaker 1:But you're coming to the Super Bowl party, are you going just for good food?
Speaker 6:Yeah, and fellowship, fellowship, okay, I don't care nothing about football.
Speaker 4:We were joking last night. We're going to have people eating at the table and one or two people watching the game. We need the person who cues when the commercials start.
Speaker 3:I just want to come in on the fourth quarter. I mean like the game will be playing the whole time, but you're all right. So the dining room at my house kind of overlooks the living room, so you can still see the TV without really watching it. So we're obviously hosting the Super Bowl party and we are planning. Are we doing Risk? Is that what we decided?
Speaker 6:Yes, we're going to play Risk. Risk you ever played Risk.
Speaker 3:It's been a very long time the game of world domination, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4:That's a little hard.
Speaker 3:Close to home right now. We're starting it at noon and we hope to exit Canada. That's funny, I didn't think about that.
Speaker 6:Worse than Monopoly. It's long.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, we got to figure out what game we're going to play. We'll think about it. Someone suggested Life, right, yeah, someone did yeah.
Speaker 5:Life is fun, what about?
Speaker 3:Mousetrap. You ever played Mousetrap?
Speaker 1:We could do like a Hungry Hungry Hippo bracket.
Speaker 3:What if we just do a Domino's thing? And I don't mean play Domino's, I mean we just set up a Domino's thing.
Speaker 1:And then click it.
Speaker 3:Bling, yeah, so we'll be playing some kind of game. I'm excited about the menu. We're going with a genuinely authentic American cuisine tacos, I'm doing, fajitas, yep, and you're doing.
Speaker 1:Enchilada casserole.
Speaker 3:And then my sister is bringing her world-famous seven-layer bean dip and, if I'm not mistaken, jerry, you're bringing the.
Speaker 1:Don, is Don's going to try his hand?
Speaker 3:He hasn't told me yet, so I'm trying to find out what it is. Don suggested to me that he was going to try to make and I don't know how to pronounce him sopapillas, sopapillas.
Speaker 6:Yes, I'm excited. But, he's never made it, so he has no idea how it's going to turn out.
Speaker 1:I'm excited for him. He always makes good dessert.
Speaker 3:He always makes such good desserts. He's like I don't know if it's going to taste good or not. It's like, no, it doesn't taste all right, it tastes amazing.
Speaker 6:He's already been doing research on it, trying to figure out a good recipe. Good.
Speaker 1:Cool, nice, I'm excited. Again game or no game, it's just the excuse to get together. That's all it is Eat good food.
Speaker 3:Now I am going to pull for Kansas City. I mean Patrick Mahomes, their quarterback, we have something in common.
Speaker 1:I'm doing the Eagles. It's my oldest football team.
Speaker 2:It's your oldest football team.
Speaker 1:It's the oldest football team. Well, the oldest son's football team. It's his that and the Ducks for college football. They didn't quite pull it off this year.
Speaker 3:The colors are so bright, hurts the retinas so I'm going to pull for the Ingles, ingles. Eagles, Y'all heard Ingles too right, I did hear Ingles.
Speaker 1:Okay, ingles is a grocery store. It's also Laura.
Speaker 3:Laura Ingles.
Speaker 5:Mm-hmm Wilder. What, laura Ingles Wilder?
Speaker 3:Never heard of this, have you? Little House on the Prairie oh?
Speaker 1:It's way before his time.
Speaker 5:Way before his time.
Speaker 3:I remember Little House on the Prairie. Thank you very much Thank you. That's the one where they were like on a prairie. Yes, and there was like six of them in there and they lived in the house. A little house, a little house. Did the girls live upstairs?
Speaker 6:Yes, they did Yep, they did Yep Wasn't really upstairs, it was like a loft.
Speaker 3:It was like a loft and they got the medicine man once and the girl was like I have laryngitis and I can't go to school today or something. And he's laughing because she doesn't know that laryngitis means you can't talk. Is that the?
Speaker 1:right one. Am I getting it right? Was that an episode? You know, most of us girls who are about my age or your sister's age are kind of named after the actresses that played on the show.
Speaker 6:Really.
Speaker 1:Melissa Sue Gilbert and Melissa Sue Anderson. I did not know that it was a very popular name because of the show.
Speaker 3:Well, I know, my sister's name is Melissa.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And I know her middle name is sue, but I was told she was dated my mom's middle name, which is also yeah, so and mom definitely came up before that show came out. Mom's mom was born back when they had a little house on the prairie. Yeah, I love those old shows. You know, there's something cool about the idea of like so you had Little House on the Prairie, I had Old Yeller Same concept, yeah. Or Swiss Family Robinsons or something like that.
Speaker 1:Jerry and Vince had Gunsmoke.
Speaker 2:Gunsmoke? They did have Gunsmoke. Yeah, Did some good westerns. What did you have?
Speaker 1:I'm kidding, you had Gunsmoke Jerry.
Speaker 3:I can't imagine you being a western person.
Speaker 6:No, I hate it. My mom loves westerns and God I hated it. You had MacGyver. Oh yeah, I watched.
Speaker 1:MacGyver. Macgyver is awesome. Richard Dean Anderson Right.
Speaker 5:Yeah, knight Rider, uh-huh, knight Rider, airwolf.
Speaker 1:Definitely Airwolf. Magnum PI. Oh, definitely Airwolf.
Speaker 5:Magnum PI yeah, the Andrews. This is fascinating, was it the Andrews Brothers?
Speaker 1:Get.
Speaker 6:Smart Miami Vice.
Speaker 1:Oh Get Smart was a great show. Definitely Miami Vice.
Speaker 3:Great show. I remember when Get Smart came out, the movie recently like recently, 20 years ago, and my dad was like, oh, the TV show's better. So we went and found the TV show and watched it. And my dad was like, the TV show is better, so we went and found the TV show and watched it.
Speaker 2:I was like it's not better but it's pretty good.
Speaker 3:It's pretty good. Dukes of Hazzard. Chips Never really watched Dukes of Hazzard.
Speaker 6:Me and my grandma loved Chips. Loved me some Chips. Oh God, yes, Chips was good.
Speaker 1:I'm thinking of Nash Bridges.
Speaker 3:Is that a? Little after that Way after oh, okay, that was my child.
Speaker 5:Power Rangers Anyone get Power Rangers anywhere China Beach, not original Power Rangers, but like when they first came out, power Rangers.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that was me. I was the OG Power Rangers kid.
Speaker 5:Before they started, like growing and combining together or whatever the freak they did.
Speaker 3:Well, they did that from day one, but they started flying and doing tons of weird stuff later on. So when the movie came out in 92 or 94, whenever it was I was just too old to really get into it. Yeah, I was way past.
Speaker 6:Yeah, if you want to talk about cartoons, mine was He-Man.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 3:The original Looney Tunes She-Ra.
Speaker 1:Looney Tunes Smurfs.
Speaker 3:The original Looney Tunes. That's funny.
Speaker 2:He-Man is my little brother's show and I watched it with him all the time. Loved He-Man Teenage.
Speaker 1:Mutant Ninja Turtles.
Speaker 6:Turtles in a half show. Whenever that movie came out, I remember my mom taking me to see it. That was a terrible movie. It was a great movie.
Speaker 3:I loved it as a kid and I went back and re-watched it and it is unwatchable. It seems so cheesy. Now it's horrendous, it seems so cheesy now.
Speaker 5:You go back and watch a lot of the 80s movies and stuff and it was like, oh my gosh, that's so cool special effects. And you look at it now and you're like oh my gosh, we've got A's and B's Gremlins.
Speaker 3:We were in Florida staying at a hotel that was connected to an Applebee's, so you know it's a high-end hotel. Oh yeah, not even Applebee's. No, it was Applebee's. Yeah, yeah, it was Applebee's. So we go to the bar to like, have a nightcap or whatever, and there's 45 people in the building, the carpets are filthy, nasty, the bar has like six bottles of liquor and several cans of beer and it was sad, it was very sad, sad.
Speaker 4:And on the TV they had For the record, I'm giving Patrick the question mark face no, they had.
Speaker 3:What was it? Mortal Kombat? Oh, that was a good movie, and they were watching Mortal Kombat and the bartender kept walking over and he's like I love this scene when he does it and it's like, oh my gosh.
Speaker 4:I remember now. Yes, yeah, it was, the bartender was a special character that was an interesting night.
Speaker 3:At the Applebee's. The people watching was the bartender during the Mortal Kombat movie, but that was talk about special effects, so they were special.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they weren't very effectful.
Speaker 3:But yeah, no, I yeah Missile TV.
Speaker 6:So last night we were sitting there Watching Friends and Kathleen Turner Was on one of the episodes and I was like, oh my god, have you ever watched the movie VI Warshawski? What VI Warshawski? That sounds familiar, but it was a movie that used to. It came out in like 91 and I loved it. I used to watch it over and over and over and Don actually knew what I was talking about. He was like, oh my God, we actually watched it. It was just funny.
Speaker 1:It was totally.
Speaker 6:So then I started looking it up and I was like where can we stream this? And it's like not streaming on nothing.
Speaker 1:There's so many of those movies that you can't find anywhere. Oh, civil Shepard. Yes, I was going to say the woman who never worked again. Yes, yeah, she did work again.
Speaker 3:She didn't do much. And then all she's done recently, in the past 10 years, is Comedy Central roasts. They don't like her, they don't like her at all. I actually listened to a story about her the other day on a podcast.
Speaker 1:And she's not a nice woman. I don't know any different. I like her acting.
Speaker 3:Speaking of, did you see Bruce Almighty? No, what's his name?
Speaker 5:Bruce Willis.
Speaker 3:Did you see? Bruce Willis went to the Pacific Palisades and was shaking hands with first responders and meeting everybody.
Speaker 2:I did see something about that, yeah.
Speaker 3:It's so weird because I know he's got that it's not dementia but basically is. But he looks so normal out there shaking hands and talking to people and stuff and it's like it's so you know. It's one thing I hear about dementia or Alzheimer's is you have your good days and your bad days, and when you have a good day, it's so you know. It's. One thing I hear about dementia or Alzheimer's is you have your good days and your bad days, and when you have a good day.
Speaker 3:It's like nothing's wrong and so it was so cool seeing him out there and it's like I that's that's gotta be brutal.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Just being able to work with him and have those great days and not so much. Well, uh Well, until we meet again. We hope you have a great day. Like subscribe, comment. If you don't like it, hit that thumbs down button twice, two thumbs way, way down. If you like us, only do it one time up. If there's anything you'd like us to cover, talk about Anything in the news that you've seen that you're like hey, y'all should talk about this. Send them our way. We'd love to have the conversation and hopefully we'll be a little more educated about it next time and it won't be breaking breaking news. But until we see you again, stay safe and make good decisions.
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