Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
Marc Headley worked at Scientology’s secret desert compound, which houses all Scientology management, for 15 years. The 500-acre property is located deep in the California desert. The local townspeople were told lectures and films were made there. But is that all that was happening? It is the location of a multi-million dollar home for L. Ron Hubbard, built two decades after his death. It is the home of Scientology’s current leader, David Miscavige. So what really happens at the Int Base? Are the stories on the internet true? How does Scientology conduct management of its day-to-day operations? Could stories of armed guards, weapons, staff beatings, and razor wire fences be true? If so, how could a facility like this exist in modern-day America? Hundreds of staff tried to escape over the years. Some succeeded but were never seen or heard of again, and most failed. Why were people kept here? What really went on at the headquarters of Scientology? This is the story of what happened behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology.
Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
Keeping Scientology Working: The Policy Behind Tom Cruise's Fanaticism - Scientology Secrets #8
We delve into the most important policy letter in Scientology, "Keeping Scientology Working," which forms the foundation of every Scientologist's mindset and is especially evident in Tom Cruise's infamous 2004 turtleneck video. This document reveals why Scientologists act with such intensity and how the organization uses it to extract millions in donations.
• Explaining how the International Association of Scientologists (IAS) events function as major fundraising opportunities
• Revealing how Tom Cruise influenced Scientology to create the "Ideal Org" program despite contradicting L. Ron Hubbard's policies
• Detailing how Scientology shifted from selling services to straight fundraising despite Hubbard's prohibitions
• Breaking down the 10 points of Keeping Scientology Working that every Scientologist must memorize
• Sharing the behind-the-scenes story of Tom Cruise's Freedom Medal video that triggered Anonymous to target Scientology
• Exposing how David Miscavige micromanaged the production of Battlefield Earth before disavowing it when it flopped
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hey guys, welcome back to the channel, welcome to another episode of blown for good scientology exposed. I'm here with my lovely life, claire hi, hi, thanks for joining us. As we always do, we want to see where everyone's watching from while we wait for people to show up in the chat and on the video. We're live. We're live streaming on YouTube, x, facebook and something else I can't remember. It's all over the place. I'm too old for this stuff.
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Speaker 1:There we go. We're going to do something a little different today. Yes, We've covered a lot of documents on this channel Scientology Documents and this week I wanted to do something a little different, because a lot of people talk about this document, but nobody ever I don't think anybody ever reads it or shows what's in it or the importance of it.
Speaker 2:Or the craziness of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Deep dive.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so there's an event that happened in 2004 in the in East Grinstead in England where apostate Alex is causing all kinds of trouble. We'll put a link to that. Alex actually got nominated for a social media award.
Speaker 2:I saw that.
Speaker 1:And we'll put a link down to that. Make sure you go and vote for Alex Barnes-Ross apostate Alex. But we'll put a link and how to vote for him in there in the description. But but this event that took place in 2004,. It was called the International Association of Scientologists, or IAS, and it was a freedom medal. It's basically they have their annual event in the UK. It used to be all over.
Speaker 1:I talked about this on a podcast with Tony Ortega and Alex and a bunch of underground bunker folks. I'll put a link in that in the description as well. But we got to talking about this and the IAS event used to be all over the uh, europe in a different place each year. And then in the in the 80s and I want to say basically in the mid 90s they sort of just finalized that it would always be in the uk and the whole purpose of this event is to get money from people, um, that are in europe, because scientology doesn't have a.
Speaker 1:There's not really any events that happen throughout the year in Europe for them to be able to get money from those folks. Right, and there's lots of events in the United States that happen. There's seven, but basically seven or eight major Scientology conventions every year, and a few of those are big ones and a few of those are strictly fundraising. They really want to do a lot of fundraising at those, and the IAS event that happens in England in October each year is one of those events. Now, this is important because when David Miscavige is trying to get money out of people, he's not trying to get $10,000.
Speaker 2:He's not trying to get $15,000.
Speaker 1:He's trying to get a million dollars and if he can't get a million dollars, maybe 500,000, like. But he's not looking for a few thousand bucks from anybody.
Speaker 2:No. And that's why he would call Trump change. Yeah, trump change.
Speaker 1:Trump change express, anyway. So what they want to do, though, is they want to at this event, the specific purpose of this event, and they have this thing. It's fundraising, but they have this thing called the IES freedom medal of honor, or freedom medal of valor in Tom Cruise's case, I think that's what they call it Right, they made a special title just for Tom Cruise. Yeah, it was just a Freedom Medal up until that point.
Speaker 2:Right yeah, so anyone who won that award was a Freedom Medal winner.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and most of the time these people were doing Scientology outreach like getting people into passing out way to happiness books for Scientology and getting thousands and thousands or millions of way to happiness books passed out.
Speaker 2:Depending on who you ask and changing the language to you know make it sound better than it is.
Speaker 1:Sure, I doubt anyone ever passed out millions.
Speaker 1:A lot of movie magic happening in these videos we're doing oh my gosh, now we used to my team used to produce a lot of these videos when I worked in the cinematography division and the events division at Golden Era Productions basically to show other Scientologists how much these Scientologists are doing, to shame them into giving money, because they're not going to spend all year passing that way to happiness booklets. They're not going to open a drug rehab facility in Russia and then do 10 more and do anti-drug lectures. They're not going to do any of that, but they got a couple bucks in their pocket. Maybe just give us the money. If you're not going to do all this, just give us some money. The reason I'm setting this backdrop is because they basically are showing these people. Every year there was three Freedom Medal winners and usually there'd be one. Maybe there'd be an anti-psychiatry winner, a Narconon, a drug rehab winner, or Way to Happiness or Applied Scholastics, which is their education facility. It'd be usually one of those things.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Criminon.
Speaker 1:Criminon, exactly the criminal reform and all of these Criminon Narconon are really just the Narconon program in a drug, the purification rundown and some other Scientology courses in a drug rehabilitation setting or a criminal reform setting. But it's all the same Scientology courses, just repackaged different ways to to to be it for those specific things, right. And then applied scholastics is just L Run Hubbard's study technology. I use the word technology loosely because that's what they call it, but um, not that we think it has anything to do with technology.
Speaker 1:No, and it is strange that use of that word in retrospect, and the only reason I bring that up is because that's also setting us up for a bunch of stuff that we're going to read.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Anyway, so that you have these people that are being invited to this event and most of the people that are being invited and they're going to travel to this event have got a few bucks. You're not flying from italy or spain or copenhagen to go into the middle of nowhere in england to hang out for three or four days right, unless you got.
Speaker 2:So they do bus in people to inflate the attendance numbers.
Speaker 1:They do, but this is how the event goes. The first night is the event, yeah, okay, and they might have some other ancillary events kind of in and around this first event. But they have the first event and then I'm going to go, I'm going to, I'm going to Mark's camera for this. They have the first event, which is the IES event, and that's where they give out these Freedom Medal Awards, and then the next day is an event called the Patrons Ball, and the patrons those are people who have at least given $50,000. It used to be $40,000. I think they upped it to $50,000. But that's how you become a patron, right? It's 50,000?.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know, used to be 50,000. Last I knew, yes, they keep moving the bar.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it used to be 50,000. And when you give them 50,000, you become a patron. And when you become a patron of the IAS, the International Association of Scientology, then you're allowed to attend the patron ball. And the patron balls got all the celebrities and all the, the Jenna Elfman's and the Bodie Elfman's and the Danny Masterson's and the uh, you know, whoever is a celebrity, uh is there, and usually the rich Scientologists are obviously there.
Speaker 1:And and it it's like, uh, it's like a networking group and you can hang out with the big, big guns, the big guns, and then, um, at this event, they get pressured to give more. Everybody, if you're there, you're giving money. It's not. You're not going there without knowing I'm gonna get hit up for some dough.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Okay so and they get you all riled up the night before with all this awesome things that Scientology is doing and this is what Tom Cruise is doing and he did this and he did that and and then it's sort of like um. It that's the setup for this video that um Tom Cruise is in, where there's a video. It came out after this event and it's basically the video shows David Miscavige talking about Tom Cruise a little bit introing the video, and then they they made this video, which is the freedom metal video, but just for Tom Cruise. Right now. This year we shot three other videos. We were still there when this happened. We were in Scientology when this happened in 2004. And there was there was actually three um metal winners that we shot. They did all their stuff. We shot the videos and those videos were going to be at the event. They did all their stuff, we shot the videos and those videos were going to be at the event.
Speaker 1:And then, sort of a few months leading up to the event, tom Cruise did a whole bunch of stuff with the Ideal Org program with David Miscavige. They're doing all kinds of stuff. He went to apply the grand opening of an applied scholastics facility in. I want to say it was in Kansas, um is in the Midwest somewhere. Uh, uh, uh, uh uh. Scientology applied scholastic like a teacher training center where they would teach educators about Scientology study technology and um, hadn't he also gone to the Madrid ideal org opening that same year.
Speaker 1:Yes, and he did. He went to the.
Speaker 2:Which was one of the first.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's another. I don't even know. Maybe we'll get into that for a second. So Tom Cruise actually changed a lot about how Scientology operated during the 2000s and that kind of morphed into what it is today, right, kind of morphed into what it is today, right, where, um, they used to just have or Scientology organizations and strip malls, little podunk little places, and it'd be next to the between the dog groomer and the spa, the, the tanning salon or whatever or the brewery, or whatever and there's a Scientology organization in unit three and they have a little course room and sometimes they even have a sauna in the back and in a strip mall place.
Speaker 1:Yep completely well, tom cruise is shooting movies all over and now he's really in the early 2000s. He is really getting into scientology he's jumping on couches yeah all that he's yeah, and he is going xenu crazy for Scientology.
Speaker 2:Yeah, really good look for Scientology. Good job, David.
Speaker 1:His space cooties are all in a flutter and anyway. So he is telling David Miscavige man I'm shooting a movie and I'm trying to. I want to bring some of the people by for the movie, but your organizations are in between the dog groomer and the tanning salon. I can't bring them there.
Speaker 2:And let's call a spade a spade.
Speaker 1:They're complete shitholes 100 carpet ruts down the middle of the hallway. All that good stuff.
Speaker 2:Smoke stains on the ceiling, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:People were smoking in these places full time Scientologists and Sea Org members. They love them some cigarettes. Smoking in these places full-time Scientologists and Sea Org members, they love them some cigarettes. So Tom Cruise says why don't we make? Why don't I just give you a bunch of dough and we'll make?
Speaker 2:a new place in London or wherever I'm going to be shooting a movie, or New York?
Speaker 1:or Madrid, and then I can bring them to these places. Well, L Ron Hubbard very clearly laid out in policies what's called an H-C-O-P-L, a Hubbard Communications Office policy letter that said we don't do that. We don't buy big old buildings and spend a lot of on quarters, because that's not what people are here for. They're here for the Scientology.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Well, Tom Cruise, maybe he didn't read that one, but he tells me he knew better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's like hey, you know, you and I, dave, we're the, we're the rock stars here. What do we listen to this FUBTARD for? Okay, so he tells Dave, we got to spruce these places up If you want me to bring in Steven Spielberg in here while we're shooting World of the Worlds, you got to think it's got to be something better than this. And so that is what. That is actually how the Ideal Org Scientology, ideal Org program was born.
Speaker 1:Of course, david Miscavige massaged all these other L Ron Hubbard writings to make it like Hubbard thought of this. No, no, him and Tom Cruise cooked this up. Okay, so they're doing that. They're doing. They open Madrid, they open New York and they open London, because those are all places where Tom Cruise is going to be shooting a movie, where he wants to bring somebody by, and I think actually the Spain one was. I want to say there was a Penelope Cruz connection to that one, because he was spending a lot of time over there and and by the time the org was done, I don't even think him and Penelope were even together anymore?
Speaker 1:I don't think so, or they broke up shortly thereafter or some nonsense like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, so. So that's that I'm trying to think if there's anything else I need to set up for this. You got the IAS event. You're trying to get some money out of these guys. You got the ideal org program, which Tom Cruise just like we need to just get. And oh, the other thing is that Tom Cruise is like I could just give you. Every time I make one of these movies, every time I make a Mission Impossible or a War of the Worlds or Oblivion or whatever movies he's doing, he's like I could just give you the money. We could open 10 Ideal Orgs every single time.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Just pay for them outright. And there is a rumor I've never seen the financials, but there is a rumor that he basically made that London one happen. Tom did. And then him and Tom got to talking and they were David Miscavige and Tom Cruise and they're like well, why don't we just make the Scientologists pay for it? Like, why are we paying for it? Why is Scientology paying for it? Just make them all pay for it. And so then what they did was, instead of selling Scientology auditing and Scientology counseling what they call auditing and getting money from that and then making a profit and then saving that money and spending it on all these buildings, which they have billions of dollars from doing that over the years, they basically just switched over to like, no, just all these guys to give us the money.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:And the breakdown there is that nobody wants to do that. And up until then, I mean, I remember when in the late 80s we were doing some stuff with Kirstie Alley and she gave $300,000 to Narconon for the Narconon-Chilocco drug rehabilitation facility in Oklahoma and up until that point that was the biggest that was. There was no bigger donation than 300,000. 300k from Kirstie Alley, that was a lot of dough. Oh, my light went out. Oh, shoot, I broke the light. You did. I had to put a battery on it. Shoot.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's a bummer.
Speaker 1:We got problems here, folks Dead power supply, okay, yeah, so 300K was a ton of debt, yeah, and so to get these guys to give a million dollars, even Kirstie Alley wasn't given a million dollars.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and again, as you pointed out, up until that point fundraising was not their business model.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that's the other thing Hubbard said. Don't do fundraising business model oh yeah, that's the other thing Hubbard said. You don't do fundraising, you can. He actually said the only thing you want to take in money for is courses or counseling. That's it. You're not taking in money just for nothing. That's in Scientology, and Hubbard's eyes that's what's called out exchange.
Speaker 2:Exactly.
Speaker 1:You're getting, you're giving something and you're getting nothing. That's called out exchange. So Hubbard was was specifically had outlawed and said you cannot do this. This gets us, this will get us into trouble if you do fundraising. So of course, David Miscavige figured out a way to caress the something, or they just don't mention that.
Speaker 2:Right, exactly. They just say, hey, we're just going to get money from you guys. I mean, he died, hubbard died in 1986. So what's he going to do?
Speaker 1:Papa's gone, we can do whatever we want now. So I think that sets it up pretty good. They switched over from this business model of delivering Scientology courses like how to become a counselor, and getting counseling or auditing, as they call it in Scientology donations and then also specifically getting in donations for the IAS and getting in donations to build their organizations. Even though Scientology could probably very well all of these organizations that are not ideal organizations and they need a new building and it needs to be renovated. Scientology could just pay for all that. No problem, they could do it right now with all the money they could have. All the organizations could be done. But there is one bottleneck and that is everything has to go through David Miscavige. For any single organization that gets done, david Miscavige has to approve the space plan, he has to approve the carpet and the design design and the tchotchkes to go in the course room, and that all has to go through him. And I think that truly is the bottleneck of why they don't do more of these, because they have the money.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:But they're also trying to get the Scientologists to pay for it, so those could be the two main bottlenecks.
Speaker 2:Well, the other factor is, yes, they have the money in reserves to pay for that. But I think most every executive in Scientology, especially David Miscavige, his statistic is money in reserves. So if they spend all the money his statistic will be down and can't have that.
Speaker 1:That's a good point. Claire brings up is that, David Muscat, every Sea Org member and Scientologist that's an employee or a staff member. They have what's called a statistic and their success or failure is tied to the statistic. If the graph has a certain trend, then they're in affluence or they're in power or they're in normal or whatever. But if it's down, they're in emergency or danger or much worse.
Speaker 2:Or non-existence. Non-existence.
Speaker 1:Anyway. So David Miscavige's personal statistic is is it Sea Org Reserves or is it Scientology Reserves? I think it's Sea Org Reserves.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think Sea Org Reserves yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:And of course that doesn't count the reserves that the IAS has.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying. That's why I think it's just Sea Org Reserves. The other thing to note is that the IAS has a policy that they never spend the principal. So if they get in a million dollars, they're not allowed to spend that million dollars, right? So if they get in a million dollars, they're not allowed to spend that million dollars, they're only allowed to spend the interest that the million dollars creates. And so that's probably up to several hundred million, if not a billion, in IAS.
Speaker 1:And they're only spending the interest. They never are allowed to spend the principal. This is key to know. Okay, so what's this policy we're going to do? It's called keeping Scientology working, and this policy is a policy that Tom Cruise. I put a link in the description to this, but there's this turtleneck video of him yapping in the video that they made. Oh shoot, I forgot about tell you about the other two videos we can tell. I'll tell you about the other two videos real quick.
Speaker 1:It's not going to take forever to read this video, this policy letter. So there were two videos that were made that were the predecessors to the video which you can actually see on the interwebs, and the first video was shot by, I want to say, larry Jacobs, yep, by, I want to say, larry Jacobs.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Okay, so there was a photographer, a videographer, a video team called a guy named Larry Jacobs. Larry Jacobs had shot, I want to say he probably shot 50% of all the IS metal winner videos for years. He was one of the guys. It was him and a guy named Frank Fenn. They were the two video team leaders and they produced almost all of these Freedom Metal Winter videos for years.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they were gone from the base most of the time, traveling all over the world to shoot those videos.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and they shot other videos as well, but that was the main videos that these two guys did.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:And so the first idea was that we're going to interview Steven Spielberg and Will Smith and anybody who's worked with Tom Cruise, and we're going to get them to tell us how awesome Tom Cruise is. Yes, so they shoot this video and this video is being edited, and then David Miscavige sees it. He's like why are you asking celebrities about Tom Cruise? Nobody gives a shit about these guys. They're not Scientologists.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:And so then, I think, larry Jacobs, he flies the coop, he blows, he escapes Yep, they get him back, and he went to the RPF and I don't think we ever saw him ever again. Last next time I saw him was 10 years later, and he had white hair.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 1:That's a fact.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:Wow, that's a fact. Okay, there you go. Okay, second video. The second video is shot by a gal named Sadie, and Sadie worked for me for many, many years as the assistant cameraman.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And she was on the film team. Well, she became a video team member. I don't remember why, but she ended up. She really wanted to direct and act and do everything, but she wanted to direct and shoot one of these videos and so her video was celebrities again, but it was Scientology celebrities, so they shot the Elfman's Bodie and Jenna Elfman, kirstie Alley.
Speaker 2:Erica Christensen, yeah.
Speaker 1:Danny Masterson. They shoot all the celebrities in Scientology and again they're editing it. Or David Miscavige catches wind of it. He's like why are you shooting Scientology celebrities?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:These guys.
Speaker 2:David Miscavige had nothing nice to say about majority of those recordings he's like what isenna elfman ever done for scientology?
Speaker 1:what is michael pina ever done for scientology? These celebrities in scientology, they do nothing for scientology. They're useless and they're certainly not buying and paying for ideal organizations. So that video gets scrapped. And then eventually Sadie also leaves the Sea organization and I've talked about this before. I mean, it is what it is. Sadie always wanted to be an actress and do all these things, and that career opportunity was stolen by her being in the Sea organization for 30 years. So when she left, she did all those things. And if you want to Google, just say depends ad Sadie. That's all you need to search for and you can see Sadie. It is actually Sadie. The name of the ad is called depends Sadie, but her and her husband, husband Axel, who used to be a lighting technician, are in this commercial. I think it might even be their kid in the commercial, but she's running around, she's at the park, she's doing all sorts of activities she got nothing to worry about because she's got her Depends on.
Speaker 2:Nice. Well, at least she got the heck out of the Sea Org.
Speaker 1:She did get out of the Sea Org and she got a commercial. I mean, it is what it is. It's a Depends commercial and it may be the most embarrassing thing that she's ever done, but they got paid, that's all that matters.
Speaker 2:There you go.
Speaker 1:Okay, so David Miscavige is basically like you guys don't get it. Tom Cruise is on another level, of levels he created, created, he creates realities and he created.
Speaker 2:This reality of tom cruise is the best and baddest scientologist I think miscavige believed that tom cruise was the second most ethical being on the planet 100 he's, he told us I know of course every seer member had to call mr cruise sir, and if they did not, they went to the rehabilitation project force.
Speaker 1:Anyway. So Tom Cruz, he was an honorary Sea Org member.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he really was. Which there is such a. Thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, any celebrity is really an honor. They automatically are an honorary Sea Org member whether they know it or not, there is a policy.
Speaker 2:So many people are recruited to join the sea organization but, of course, a celebrity who has influence and pull to get unsuspecting civilians lured into the cult of scientology, they should stay in their role as celebrity and be honorary members of the sea organization that's right, okay, so david miscavige is basically like you guys don't understand.
Speaker 1:Tom Cruise is basically the next most dedicated Scientologist besides myself.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:David Miscavige. Yes, so he's like I don't care what Steven Spielberg thinks about Tom Cruise. I don't care what Erica Christensen or Michael Peena care about Tom Cruise. The only person who knows how awesome Tom Cruise is is Tom Cruise. He's the only person that can accurately tell you how awesome Tom Cruise is.
Speaker 2:Nothing says humble pie better than that, huh.
Speaker 1:So this video I want to say it was. It was shot by the main cameraman for the film team. His name was john gonzalez yep, he was the cameraman, and I want to say seth price or another sound guy was there, and then I think maybe one lighting person and and that was it really. Maybe a makeup, I think maybe sarnie, or sarnie wiley or sam samantha brown, uh, samantha silcock, samantha mayfield, whatever her current name is jared mayfield I think so damn I can't remember somebody whatever yeah uh, was it anyway, I don't know.
Speaker 2:There's a lot of. There's a lot of multiple marriage gals there.
Speaker 1:Um, anyway, uh, they shoot this video and it's just Tom and them and then they just roll on Tom and Tom just tells whatever he wants to talk about, about how awesome Tom is and how he feels. Well, in this video he talks about this policy letter. This is key because he's basically Tom Cruise is basically telling he knows what this video is. He's going to get an award for a Freedom Medal and the people that are going to watch this are rich Scientologists. So you have to think about that. If you go and watch the video link in the description, if you go and watch this tom cruise winter video, you've got to think about the people that he's talking to are rich scientologists that david miscavige is trying to get a few million dollars out of each of them. Yes, they're not going to become a movie star. They're not going to do all talk about scientology with oprah and uh, matt lauer and all these. No, they're just going to give a bunch of money because they're not going to do any of that.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Okay. So the reason why I wanted to talk about this is so you can see how Tom Cruise and basically David Miscavige custom modified Scientology for Tom Cruise. But Tom Cruise helped him do that by saying listen, I know you're going to give me this award. I'm going to talk about all this stuff and guess who's going to edit this video? It ain't going to be the editing people, it's going to be David Miscavige.
Speaker 1:The video it's, I know it seems sort of chopped up and abrupt and the cuts are weird and all that. This video was massaged and micro edited by David Miscavige for days and days and days. He got a transcript of the entire footage that was shot with Tom Cruise and he literally just highlighted the words that he wanted said and they just cut that in to a video and they moved it all around. So it would basically be like and you, you, when you listen to the video, he says you know you're either in it or you're out. You're either in the game or you're out of the stadium, or you know whatever he says in there. And he is basically telling these millionaire Scientologists you're, you're not doing shit right now.
Speaker 2:Right, I'm doing this, I'm shooting movies, I'm doing this and I did all this Scientology nonsense on top of being Tom Cruise stud muffin number one which is which, by the way, is exactly the same narrative that David Miscavige carried to all of management I'm doing everything and you guys are schmuckos, but you reminded me, david Miscavige even recorded all the VOs, exactly how it wanted to be said, and then had them recorded to match to every word and inflection and everything you're right in the video.
Speaker 1:So david miscavige gets up and says I want to introduce you to somebody who is just only two inches taller than me and but very awesome, maybe almost as awesome as me the most dedicated scientologist. And and then there is a small little video section which is just footage, and there's a voiceover, a VO over that section of the video, and it's a guy named Jeff Pomerantz and he has been a Scientology event video narrator for decades and he goes join us now for the Shrine.
Speaker 2:Auditorium. What's the name of the guy that does it for UFC?
Speaker 1:Bill Buffer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so he's like that guy for Scientology right.
Speaker 1:Is it Bill Buffer or?
Speaker 2:I don't know. Sorry, I didn't mean to throw a wrench in the works.
Speaker 1:Yeah, why are you doing that?
Speaker 2:He's that guy.
Speaker 1:Bruce Buffer.
Speaker 2:There you go.
Speaker 1:Bill I think Bill is his brother that does boxing.
Speaker 2:It's the closest example to what Scientology events are like. That's all.
Speaker 1:Yeah, join us now. And he does hang on that last word.
Speaker 2:At the International Association of.
Speaker 1:Scientologists. Anyway, I should have been on me for that, but I wasn't.
Speaker 1:You should have Anyway it was a lot of face contorting to do that Anyway. So David Miscavige introduces him and then Jeff Pomerantz does that VO and David Miscavige legitimately recorded Jeff Pomerantz's entire voiceover track and Jeff Pomerantz had to match that exactly with the inflection of the words. And that's how much when people say, when I tell people David Miscavige micromanages this, right, that's the level of micromanaging. David Miscavige recorded the voiceover in a studio or recorded it, and then they had to play it for the voiceover artist so that he would match that exactly right, because there's nothing that happens in scientology without david muscavige's direction, approval, knowledge of and involvement in, that's fair to say.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Anyway. So the video sets up who better to tell you about how awesome Tom Cruise sucks than Tom Cruise? So they play the video and Tom Cruise talks about there. He basically says you're either in or you're out. I don't do anything half, I'm all all the way, I'm a hundred percent. And it's just beating in this thing of you're either doing it or you're not doing it, or you're in or you're out. Don't do anything half. This isn't, for it's not easy. You know you have to do it. All of these things and these are what are called buttons. And when you're trying to get some money out of a Scientologist and they don't want to give it to you, you push these buttons and make them feel guilty that they got a few 10, 15, $20 million sitting around and they ain't given 19 of it. The Scientology, it's just doing nothing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and very specifically, they push the help button. That's what they're doing.
Speaker 1:You need help.
Speaker 2:We need your help, the world needs your help, the planet needs your help. Every man, woman and child on this planet needs your help. Everybody you must help.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and these buttons are all in this. Basically, david Miscavige took I don't know a few hours worth of footage and he chomped it down to a several minute little diatribe from Tom Cruise of all of these buttons. And he even says in there you know what I'm doing as much as I can. I need some help. Are you going to help? You know you're the only one that can help. All these things are in this video.
Speaker 2:Are you really doing everything you can to help right now? Yeah, or can you do more?
Speaker 1:Okay, now that gets us to the policy Finally. I know it took 40 minutes to get there, but we get to this policy. The policy is called keeping Scientology working. Now, this court, this policy letter. No matter what you do in Scientology, you have to read this policy letter at the beginning of every single course, even if you've already read it before. Yes, you have to read it again.
Speaker 2:Yes, hubbard mandated that at the beginning of every major training course in Scientology. This was to be the very first policy letter and specifically, it's Keeping Scientology Working series number one. It's the, you know, really one of the founding. It sets the tone and directive of your training in Scientology.
Speaker 1:Yeah, sometimes people say that Dianetics is sort of like the Bible of Scientology. I disagree with that completely. Dianetics was written in 1950, and it was basically just Hubbard throwing some shit at the wall and he had this whole thing about the engrams are making you do things you don't want to do, the subconscious mind and all this other stuff and very shortly, I would say within 10 or 15 years, he had evolved into space cooties. The space cooties were the things that were doingology working is the most important single document that Scientologists consider. They have to follow that no matter what.
Speaker 2:Yep absolutely.
Speaker 1:Whatever you do, you cannot not do KSW, and even so much so that a lot of courses that you do in Scientology not only do you have to read this, sometimes you have to do a demonstration with clay at the clay table. You have to do lots of demonstrations about how the policy would apply to whatever course you're doing, and then in some courses you actually have to memorize the entire 10 points of keeping Scientology. You have to. Basically, someone just says what are the 10 points of keeping Scientology working, and you just have to rattle them all off and you can't go to the next thing on your course. Until you can do that without looking at it, just from your memory, you have to read the 10 points.
Speaker 2:Getting the correct technology applied consists of one having the correct technology to knowing the technology.
Speaker 1:That's enough, babe. You're freaking people out. Yeah, look at that guys.
Speaker 2:Sorry.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I wish I could get rid of it. You're triggering me, honey.
Speaker 1:Holy moly, guys, this is what I got to deal with. You see what I'm saying. She's been pre-programmed.
Speaker 1:I got to undo a lot of this programming anyway. So let's read this thing. Yep, let's get to it. Um, do I have? A? Um? Oh, there, it is okay. Oh, let me go back one because this is so, just so. You guys, this is a standard policy letter in scientology. Some of you may be new here. Some of this is 50 of the people that watch our channel are not subscribed and don't normally watch our channel. So you, you, half of you are new, so welcome. Yeah, welcome. Welcome to the crazy terrain.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1:So I'm not going to read. You know, I will say when there's another thing that you have to do with. A lot of people have to do, like if you do something wrong and you get in trouble, you might have to do what's called a method nine word clearing of KSW and you have to read this entire thing from start to finish with another person sitting across from you watching you, and if you blink or you fidget or you scratch your arm or you stumble on a word or you, hesitate or you hesitate for half a beat.
Speaker 1:The person that's sitting across from you will say, uh, okay, let's stop right. There. Is there a word or symbol that you didn't fully understand?
Speaker 2:that's it. Is there a word or symbol there you didn't fully understand? And it's not.
Speaker 2:No, it's not an answer, by the way yeah, you know, you're gonna find a misunderstood word you're gonna find one you're not gonna keep reading until you clear a word and you read every definition, use every definition in sentences, clear the derivation, look up any idioms, use those in sentences and so forth. And yet you're right. This is very often method nine word clearing is very often part of an ethics handling. So they'll say you have to method nine word clear keeping. Scientology, working series number one. In fact, there were many times David Miscavige ordered everybody on the entire base to me.
Speaker 1:I remember doing it at least like five or six times oh, I did it.
Speaker 2:I had to method nine word, clear this policy easily 30 times and being in religious technology center, because keeping scientology working was a part of the purpose of so we had to Chinese school those 10 points every day for eight years.
Speaker 1:There you go, guys. That's why she's the way she is now probably Okay.
Speaker 2:That's why I'm recovering from being the way I was. Thank you very much.
Speaker 1:Okay, so I'm just going to kind of take you through this. This is the way all policy letters are. I just want to kind of take you through this. This is the way all policy letters are. I just want to kind of set it up because people are like this is kind of weird, right?
Speaker 2:Yes, it is, and it's green on white, which is policy letters. Technical bulletins are red on white.
Speaker 1:Yes, and Sea Org flag orders are black on white. They have a whole format for everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, so it says hubbard communications office st hill, manor, east grinstead, sussex, hco policy letter of 7 february 1965, reissued 15 june 1970. Re-mimeo st hill students association org, sec hat k soup, hat d's of p, hat d's of t, hat staff member hat franchise, issued may 1965. Now that was pretty fucking rock solid for an m9.
Speaker 2:I just feel bad for everybody listening. That's like what, what?
Speaker 1:now this first section. This is the date, okay. And then when it says re-mimeo, you're right. They're using mimeos up in scientology, not copy machines. Freaking mimeos up in Scientology, not copy machines, freaking mimeos.
Speaker 2:In fact, copy machines are not allowed.
Speaker 1:Hubbard said that you weren't allowed to make more than 10 copies because it was prohibitively expensive and also they were on a ship in the middle of the ocean and there wasn't an Office Depot barge just floating by, so they only could use like a freaking can of toner back in 65 or 1970.
Speaker 1:It was like $7,000. So they used ink and they used Mimeos. If it was more than 10 copies it had to go on a Mimeo. Now I tell you, at the Int Base, fast forward to 2000, the year 2000, at the base you couldn't make a copy that was more than 10 copies. If you had a formula, like if you had a liability formula, you had to pass out to two, 300 people to get signed. You had to get it plates printed and Mimeo the fricking thing in the year 2000. Okay, so this just means that this is just the distribution of this policy letter, which is sort of a moot point at this point because it basically every single Scientologist everywhere has to read it on every single course, regardless of what this says, and that's basically why it says St Hill students. That's how it essentially got onto the courses. And then, somewhere along the line, Hubbard just said you got to do this as part of every course.
Speaker 2:Yep, so really it's just those. Those are all just titles in organizations, and even franchise is not used anymore. Yeah, that's like what a mission is called now, like beginning introduction, you know, yeah, that's the other thing. Get into Scientology.
Speaker 1:Scientology evolves over the years, but the policy letters don't. So, even though those things aren't called that anymore. And there's another policy letter that says we're not calling these franchises anymore, we're calling them missions Well, you can't change a policy letter from the past, so it still says what Hubbard said it was going to supposed to say. Now I wanted to show this because this policy letter is also one of the very few policy letters that I know of that has, like one of these big warnings at the front of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you want me to read it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can read this one, babe. Good job, here we go, let's see, let's see if she flunks, we're going to, if she stumbles or does anything that should be a flunk, I'm going to actually stop her and flunk her in the middle of it. Let's see. Let's see how she does.
Speaker 2:So lovely Note. Neglect of this policy letter has caused great hardship on staffs, has cost countless millions and made it necessary in 1970 to engage in an all out international effort to restore basic Scientology over the world. Within five years after the issue of this policy letter with me off the lines violation had almost destroyed orgs.
Speaker 1:Okay, now I'm going to stop you there.
Speaker 2:I didn't stumble.
Speaker 1:You said policy letter and you didn't read PL.
Speaker 2:Oh, come on now.
Speaker 1:Would that be a flunk? Yeah, it would be See, I'm telling you, guys, I did it for the benefit of those listening. I know, but we're doing a mock M9 right now, Anyway. So if she did read policy letter instead of PL, as it's shown in the documents, that would legitimately be a flunk. Okay, I'm going to pretend that you didn't do that and I'm going to let you continue on it. Quickie grades. You Pretend that you didn't do that and I'm going to let you continue on it.
Speaker 2:Quickie grades Go ahead and start it. Quickie grades Quote. Quickie grades unquote. Entered in and denied gains to tens of thousands of cases. Therefore, actions which neglect or violate this policy letter are high crimes resulting in COMEVs committees of evidence On administration administrators.
Speaker 1:Oh you so flunky. You said CommEvs and then you said what CommEvs were, and then you just boofed it right there. Is there a word or symbol there that you don't fully understand? Anyway, go ahead.
Speaker 2:Our high times, resulting in CommEvs on administrators and executives. It is not quote entirely a tech matter. Unquote as its neglect destroys orgs and caused a two-year slump. It is the business of every staff member to enforce it.
Speaker 1:Okay, now I did want to point something out. This is the first sentence of the policy letter in the note, and it's all about money, basically saying, this neglect of this policy letter has cost us countless millions.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:This is about money, guys. That's all it's ever been about. Yep, that's all it's about is.
Speaker 2:That's the business model of Scientology is money money, money and control and leverage and destroying families and hurting people and well those are just all the. That's's just the that's just a wake.
Speaker 1:That's what's left in the wake of trying to drum up the do-re-mi. Yep, okay, now let's go to the next page. Okay, this is right below that where it says all levels. That's just right below that. Note yeah, policy letters are on legal size paper and they don't really fit the YouTube wide format.
Speaker 2:No, they don't.
Speaker 1:So we had to break this one into chunks so you could read it properly. Okay, so it says all levels keeping Scientology working, hcosec, which is the Hubbard Communications Office Secretary, and that person is the division head of HCO which has department one, two and three, which is let me see if I can do it, department one is communication nope, oh routing in person routing and personnel. Department two is communication and department three is inspections and reports.
Speaker 2:There you go, and inspection and reports is like the police of the organization yeah, in fact it's called HCO because HCO has the authority of Hubbard to enforce ethics and policy on the entire organization. They are within any organization. They are the police arm of that organization. Remember that they had the policy on HCO bring order.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's another policy, babe.
Speaker 2:I know Okay, but it's relevant for context sure you say so.
Speaker 1:Okay, so the hco area sec or the hco sec is it's and it's now it's called the hco area sec, right uh, yes, yeah, hco area, yes exactly see, I know my stuff here, guys.
Speaker 1:Um, sec or communicator, hat check on all personnel and new personnel has taken on. That's another thing that they've had to do. If you were on staff or you were in the C-ORG, somebody from HCO could just say, hey, mark, let me talk to you for a second. You'd be like, oh, what's up? And they go. I'm just going to give you a hat check right now on the KSW and they just do just a spot quiz on ksw in the middle, middle of tell me the 10 points of keeping scientology working.
Speaker 1:You're in the middle of packaging cds and somebody wants to know what are the 10 points of keeping scientology working and if you stumble for a long, and then you got to go read it.
Speaker 1:Right. Then they don't. They're. They're not like I'll come back. They're like no, I'll be back in an hour. Read it now and come back. And I want to know what misunderstood words you found. Yes, okay, so it basically just says a bunch of mumbo jumbo, hubbard, and he's talking. He basically says in this policy letter that any failures in Scientology, any. This policy letter is pages and pages. Guys. We're not going to read the whole thing.
Speaker 1:It's just, I was thinking we would read the whole thing and then when I pulled it out I was like, oh no, this is going to. This will take six hours. I want to do a 10 part video series to read this one policy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's going to hurt our brain. Yeah, you can get your Google take a week off after doing that. I can get your Google food on and you can just look up this little journey of a gem right here and but yeah, like you said, it is very important to understand that every Scientologist had has read this policy letter many, many times 100%, yeah, and it.
Speaker 1:And I really would say, no matter what you ask a Scientologist, they will know this Correct. Of any other, they might not know a counseling technology.
Speaker 2:They might not know about Xenu. They might not know counseling technology. They might not know about Xenu. They might not know about body thetans.
Speaker 1:They will know about this. And this is Tom Cruise's mantra.
Speaker 2:Completely.
Speaker 1:This is his sort of.
Speaker 2:You know what?
Speaker 1:His code is built in this policy letter is his whole life. Is this code? Yeah, I do think this code?
Speaker 2:yeah, I do think my. My opinion is that our follow-up part two of this should be just playing some snippets of that video, of the tom cruise video and yeah I'm reacting to it and talking through it okay, we'll see about that.
Speaker 1:I don't know, I don't like to show. I'll tell you guys, every time I do a video of somebody else's we get, youtube just gets all over us, and I mean we, even though it's we're commenting on it, and we're I just don't over us. And I mean we, even though it's we're commenting on it and we're re. I just don't like doing it. So you guys go watch the video. And if you guys go watch the video, maybe we'll just read the little quotes and then we'll react to it, or maybe we'll react to it. It gets demonetized, whatever, I don't give a shit, it'll be worth it. Tell you what we'll do it.
Speaker 2:If it gets demonetized, ok, then it was my fault, trevor said Mark and Claire reading KSW so we don't have to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, ok. Ok. Religions, governments, capitalism, communism, socialism, how all that never works because they don't have the correct technology Right. And when you hear Scientologists talking about technology, technology technology, study technology, humanitarian technology, drug rehabilitation technology, it's from this. This is where they, this is where this has been.
Speaker 2:I will say. There are a few choice sentences in this policy letter that talk about, for example, the whole agonized future of this planet, every man, woman and child depend on what you do here and now with and in Scientology. I mean it's insanity.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's insanity that you knew. You basically read that entire thing perfectly verbatim and like I said I wish I could undo it, but I can't. Okay, we're going to get to the juicy bit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's get to the juicy bit.
Speaker 1:These are the 10 points of Scientology.
Speaker 2:And see I even had the beginning sentence correct.
Speaker 1:Getting the correct technology applies.
Speaker 2:One having the correct technology. So of course Hubbard gave, gave us, gave Scientologists I don't want to say us, because that's.
Speaker 1:He didn't give it to us.
Speaker 2:He didn't give it to us. And we didn't take it it to us and we didn't take it um so gave scientology. He gave scientologists the correct technology. Yeah, one and only technology.
Speaker 1:Whenever he says technology, just replace that with scientology. That's basically what it is. So, having the correct technology yes, scientology. Two, knowing the technology, knowing scientology, knowing it is correct yes, scientology is correct.
Speaker 2:Meaning never questioning it, never having a critical thought, never violating any of the rules, never talking bad about anyone. Well, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1:As we go down you'll see. Basically, you're getting brainwashed. First you have to have the technology, then you have to know it, then you have to know that it is correct.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Then you have to teach correctly the correct technology Right, which is now that is now.
Speaker 2:You have to proselytize it to other people.
Speaker 1:But that's now bringing it in to the organization and how they study it and how they train other people on how to do it. And then five, applying the technology. So if you know that Scientology is the best thing since sliced bread, but you're not doing it, then that means you're not applying Scientology to your life. Like if you have a failing business. It's like hey, what's wrong with you? You have the, you have all the technology to have a successful business. You're not. You're not doing that.
Speaker 2:You're out KSW.
Speaker 1:You're supposed to be giving us a million bucks and you don't even have a pot to piss in right now. You got to get your shit together. Yep, let's get, let's get, let's get on it. Get on the stick, jack.
Speaker 2:Yep. Then six is seeing that the technology is correctly applied, so enforcing on yourself, your life, your friends, your family, anyone you're associated or connected with, that they are doing Scientology, learning Scientology, applying Scientology. All of that Yep. Seven hammering out of existence incorrect technology.
Speaker 1:That's right Now. That is anything that is not Scientology.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:People have to understand that. So when Tom Cruise is talking shit about psychiatrists, it's because that is incorrect technology, and anything that is not Scientology-based is incorrect technology.
Speaker 2:Or even doing something not exactly as it's written in the policy, then you're squirreling.
Speaker 1:That's right and you're out KSW. If the policy letter says your daughter is an SP because she's connected to her mom, that's an SP. You've got to disconnect, right, you cannot not do that. Yes, even though if you're Tom Cruise you could get away with doing that. But you know you're the only one that can truly help and you've got to apply KSW. So you gots to get rid of those SP family members.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Okay, what's the last ones? You weren't hammering I think Okay.
Speaker 2:Eight knocking out incorrect applications. Nine closing the door on any possibility of incorrect technology. Ten closing the door on incorrect application.
Speaker 1:Okay. So now, if you are a Scientologist and you do Scientology in an aberrated or way other than the policy letters or the HCL bulletins dictate, then you are applying it incorrectly incorrect application of Scientology, and also because you're not doing it right. That's also incorrect. It's incorrectly so it's an incorrect technology.
Speaker 2:Right, or if it's not getting the expected result. That's also an example.
Speaker 1:And people who do that are in two categories. They're called squirrels, they actually hubbard. Actually, if you alter or do scientology in a way that is not on policy or as hubbard dictated, they call that squirreling. Yep, okay, and that's why when they were going after marty rathbun, when marty rathbun originally left, he was like David Miscavige is a shit stain. He's doing this all wrong. I actually know what Hubbard wanted and he wanted it this way and they sent the squirrel busters. You can look this up on the internet, I'm not making this up. He sent the squirrel busters to go after Marty and they have squirrels on their t-shirt with a red X through it, the red line through it, yeah, which was a campaign.
Speaker 2:By the way, it's not even a new campaign. That was from the 80s Squirrelbusters.
Speaker 1:Yeah, squirrelbusters.
Speaker 2:They had the squirrels with the red circle on it. That's where that originated from.
Speaker 1:Can't make this stuff up, guys, come on. Oh my gosh, guys, come on. Okay. So this policy letter, this is tom cruise's bible. If anybody wants to know what's going through that dude's head, at least 10 points of keeping scientology working. And if you watch the video, the turtleneck video, he actually talks about ksw. At least once or twice in the video he says you know it's like ksw, you gotta either you're doing it or you're not. And there is actually the funniest video. I can't remember who it was. I think it was jerry o'connell, a comedian act, a comedic actor. Yeah, he did a spoof video. There was a lot of spoof videos, yeah we should do a video about the spoof videos.
Speaker 1:Yes, some of the spoof videos are amazing, but in jerry o'con.
Speaker 1:he's like you know, it's like, it's like KFC you got to get, you got to get a bucket, you know you got to get the family meal, you know. Anyway, there's a whole bunch of them. And also he's like you create, create your own realities. There's one of the guys who did it. It was for a movie called I think it was called the fly, I can't remember. It was like a fake ad that they did for this movie. And the guy goes you know, I could. I could create planets. I've eaten planets, I've had planets.
Speaker 2:Don't forget the other part of that Tom Cruise video that was so outrageous and that the public, the people in general, were like what the heck crazy town is this? It was the whole thing about. There's an accident. Yeah, yeah, you know, you're the only you're the only person that can help and people are like what about paramedics?
Speaker 1:They're like what about the ambulance? They? Can't freaking help. They don't think I'll put you on a stretcher.
Speaker 2:You're the only person that can help. Really, Are you sure about they? Can't freaking help? They don't think I'll put you on a stretcher. You're the only person that can help really, are you sure about that it? Was the best. What's wrong with you?
Speaker 1:So the fallout from this video basically created Anonymous going after Scientology. That's what created that whole movement. Was this one video being taken off the internet, which it didn't even get taken off the internet? I think Mark Bunker took it down because he had to change something and then Anonymous went wild. Anyway, it's Jerry O'Connell. I saw somebody in there said Jeremy, it's Jerry O'Connell. I think he even has. I think he's still doing stuff.
Speaker 2:I think we can take that policy down now. By the way, you think so?
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, gosh, golly, gee, willikers, batman, sorry, anyway, I batman sorry, um, anyway, I wanted to let you guys know the backstory besides that. But behind that tom cruise turtleneck video um, also this year, 2004, in july I don't think people know this either in july or yeah, july, or it was july. It was july because Tom Cruise's birthday is in July. Scientology threw a $300,000 to $500,000 birthday party. It cost Scientology $500,000 to throw a birthday party for Tom Cruise on this cruise ship called the Freewinds.
Speaker 2:It's more like a boat. Yeah, it's not her people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, we've been on cruises and when the cruise ship a real cruise ship pulls up against the free winds, it might as well be a tugboat.
Speaker 1:But yeah, they threw a party for him and there's a video of him at this party dancing and singing and all that that got leaked on the Internet, I don't know. And and then there's a video that's on our channel which you can look up, which is where Tom Cruise and David Miscavige it's right after he just did you got that old time rock and roll. Yep, tom Cruise did a whole dance set, did the splits, mid dance, did all this stuff. Right after that birthday party they went backstage to the green room and there's a video on our channel. Right when they get back there they're giving Tom a standing ovation and applauding him for him having his birthday party there, like, and that he did the most amazing performance in the world by singing the old time rock and roll. Anyway, you can look up that. We'll put that in the link as well. But that birthday party happened just a few months before the turtleneck video. And so Dave and Tom in 2004, they were on a year long bromance because Dave was going to.
Speaker 2:That's why David Miscavige had to find him a wife to.
Speaker 1:A girlfriend.
Speaker 2:Gently break it off, take it easy.
Speaker 1:They wanted to find him a girlfriend first. Sure, that is when, and when he was at the IAS event, he was still with Nazanin Bonati. He was still with her when they did the when in October and by December January they were already working on Katie Holmes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but there was a different lady in the in the audience. I thought with him, for the at the actual event with Naz was was right before that though that's right in october.
Speaker 1:But yeah, for the event. I think it was a yolanda yacara, I can't remember her name yeah anyway, it was some other spanish, uh, because now he was doing some stuff in spain, um, and then before that was penelope, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 1:But for this year 2004 and 2005 were like serious bromance, like for sure, going to real madrid games and hanging out with david beckham and tom cruise in the stands with him and connor and the kid and you know, and and uh and shelly wasn't in a lot of these pictures. It lorise was in a bunch and shelly was in a few she was definitely in in 2004.
Speaker 1:Still in the picture, yes, but yeah but then in 2005 and in 2006, when these pictures are coming out, shelley's not in any of them, it's just Larisse as assistant. Yeah, anyway, we could tell you all kinds of behind the scenes Tom Cruise dirt, but we wanted to tell you why he, where he gets the Tom Cruise crazy eyes. It's from this policy letter and it's from this is basically how they got all that.
Speaker 1:Oh, and by the way they got millions and millions of dollars from playing this video to the Scientologist, because this was one Tom Cruise had done that applied scholastics opening and that was the only thing he was in really where he was a Scientologist talking Scientology, and even that was that was really only thing he was in really where he was a scientologist talking scientology, and even that was was that was really meant for the public, for the mass public, so it didn't have a lot of scientologies in it. This video is the very first video that went out to scientologists where tom cruise is speaking scientologies. Right, and so they were just like, oh, I heard he was a Scientologist, but I never seen him.
Speaker 2:This is the real deal. Now he's woo-woo. Oh, and let's not forget the other choice sentence from KSW. Number one from this policy letter is the whole thing about turn that wandering.
Speaker 1:Wandering, wandering gaze into a dedicated glare Into a fixed dedicated glare.
Speaker 2:Only the tigers survive all of that nonsense. So yeah, fanaticism defined is exactly what Keeping Scientology Working, series number one, very clearly outlines.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you got it. Yep, Do we want to do? I've been covering my face, my beautiful face, up with the microphone. You're flowing.
Speaker 2:Maine it's doing good guys. I mean, I've been getting my face, my beautiful face, up with the microphone. You're flowing Maine.
Speaker 1:It's doing good guys. I mean I've been getting it trimmed and everything. It's still. I'm going for Santee Claus by December. I think I could pull it off. Do we want to do some giveaways?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then yeah, well, let's, yeah, let's do a giveaway. Then we can go run through some questions. Yeah, and then do one last giveaway.
Speaker 1:We've been away for a week or two guys, we were doing vacation stuff, we were traveling.
Speaker 2:All kinds of stuff We've been busy, little bees. So it's been a very, very busy summer.
Speaker 1:Throw in a few extra minutes for this one, we'll see what we can do. Yep, what are we doing then? 85 people, guys, 85 comments.
Speaker 2:Remember to oh no.
Speaker 1:Could be more comments, but 85 people. Yes, I'm sorry, if you're watching on X or Facebook or some of those other platforms, I think the comments only come in on YouTube. So if you want to enter, if you're watching on X or if you're watching on Facebook and you're like why do I never get picked? It's because the way the algorithm no no, the streaming platform only picks the YouTube.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It has nothing to do with the algorithm.
Speaker 2:Okay, whatever?
Speaker 1:She's making up stories now guys, I meant to enter.
Speaker 2:you have to type a comment into the YouTube platform.
Speaker 1:There you go. Is that better? Yes, and to be fair, the comments do help the algorithm, but they have nothing to do with the giveaway. Okay, let me get up onto the other screen. Here I've got a whole system where I've got another screen over here that's above the camera that I'm supposed to be looking at. Okay, I'm doing the draw. Oh, you guys can see it. I'm hitting the draw button. We'll do two.
Speaker 2:No, I said we're doing one, then we're going to answer questions and then we're going to do another one.
Speaker 1:at the end I hit the button guys, it's happening. I'm not even going to put Claire's camera on.
Speaker 2:Oh, thanks a lot.
Speaker 1:Mark Fisher was this close.
Speaker 2:Mark won a few weeks ago.
Speaker 1:He did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he won the Zinu and the Body Thetans. Oh good for him. I didn't remember that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, can we show that there? We go right there, yeah, there you go Well congratulations, SP Danny.
Speaker 2:Yes. Let's go here and do this you got to. Let me give SP Danny the spiel. Okay, but that's the.
Speaker 1:Xenu and the Body Thetans. That's the desk mat. If you want to pick up one of the Xenu and the Body Thetans desk mats. It's basically like a 30-inch by 24-inch mouse pad, but it keeps your desk from getting all worn. If you work at your desk all day, every day.
Speaker 2:Somebody asked for a version. That's just the image of the band.
Speaker 1:That's on. Oh, now I'm going to get it. I'm going to unplug my headphones. Let me get up.
Speaker 2:Okay, so SP Danny, congratulations on winning our giveaway. Please send me an email claire at blownforgoodcom with whatever you would like, from either our BFG merch store or the SP shop, and I will send you a giveaway link or mail it to you, whichever works.
Speaker 1:Okay, I got one of these special jobbies in here. Look at this. This is a Xenu and the Body Thetans concert tee. That's what Xenu looks like, if you didn't know, or what he looks like right now for this piece of merch. And those are the Body Thetans, basically his backup band, and I didn't know this, but, according to Grok, zinu plays the upright bass and then it's got all the tour dates on the back. So this is for the 2025.
Speaker 2:You want me to read them off.
Speaker 1:Everybody can see March 13th, clearwater, los Angeles, aruba, east Grinstead and New Year's days in Hawaii. That's a little Easter egg egg for the zenu people, um, anyway, you can pick this up on, blown for good support the channel um, or you can get one of you one of those mats um and um. Yeah, we like it. Congratulations, sp danny. Okay, did you start some comments?
Speaker 2:uh, clara did, thank you clara thank you, as always to clara and katherine, are awesome mods who help us with everything. Okay, paul question why can't a bunch of people that are in oh are in, overthrow scientology strengthen numbers that's a good question.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is, that comes up a lot yeah, um, I mean, david miscavige did that. Yeah, basically when David Miscavige, hubbard never wanted David Miscavige to take over Scientology, that is 100% a proven fact. Within the Sea Org there was never any way he was giving it to Dave. Dave really wasn't in touch with Hubbard as much as a lot of other people were and a lot of other people that Hubbard had kind of mentored and did stuff with over the years.
Speaker 1:David Miscavige just happened to be one of the people that Hubbard did allow power for him to have some power and he seized it and kind of put things in place and when the old man kicked the bucket, he, he, he sees the moment and basically he got rid of the competition.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and what's the most blaring example of that? None other than Shelley Miscavige herself, who had worked directly with Hubbard since she was 11 years old 11 years old, I mean, she was one of his messengers. So she has way more experience working directly with Hubbard even than David Miscavige.
Speaker 1:So there's other people too, norman.
Speaker 2:Starkey Mark.
Speaker 1:Yeager, Ray Midoff. There's other people that did work with Hubbard, the brokers Pat Nanny broker Anyway. And also, by the way, Hubbard was still trying to get rid of body thetans from himself when he died in 1986. He still thought, even though he'd done OT8 and OT7, the operating thetan levels seven and eight, where you learn that you're a god and that you created the body thetans um, he still was trying to get him out of him and he was trying to shock them out of him. So I'd be interesting to think what ot9 and 10 are. Maybe the e-meter? You have to get an extra. You have to go down to uh o'reilly's and get some car batteries to hook up to your e-meter so you could. That's what cupboard was doing. He was trying to get this guy named sarge to hook up car batteries to an e-meter so that they would shock Hubbard when he found a body thing.
Speaker 2:Well, not so they would shock him, but so they would get rid of his pesky body, things that hadn't already gotten rid of.
Speaker 1:He wanted to shock the body things, but the body things were in him, so he was getting shocked, no matter which way it went down. He was holding on to electrodes. Okay, let's do another question. Hopefully that answered your question. Paul Swatch, the direct diecast guy.
Speaker 2:Yep. Harvey Denton question Do you think Tom Cruise knows about the whole Shelley's captivity, et cetera? 100%, very definitely, 100%.
Speaker 1:Well, I'll tell you this uh, miscavige in meetings in the hole would tell us that he just got off the phone with Tom and then he told him all the stuff and Tom said he volunteered to come down and beat your asses for me so I wouldn't have to do it. Yep, and he told us that in the meetings in the hole.
Speaker 2:So he knows Tom Cruise, according. To.
Speaker 1:David Miscavige. Tom Cruise knows all the dirty secrets of what's going on.
Speaker 2:And he absolutely knows about Shelly being put in, you know, whisked away.
Speaker 1:And well, yeah, because Shelly was there when they were hanging out and then she was at his birthday party that we just talked about.
Speaker 2:She was at she was at everything, she was everywhere with David Miscavige all of the time for the 14 years leading up to that. So more than more years than that actually. But yeah, okay, agt mom question what do you think David Miscavige said to the brokers to make them give up leadership? Well, he threatened Pat Broker with.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So while Hubbard was in isolation in Creston, california, he was having, he thought Scientology, he thought David Miscavige was stealing his money and, to be fair, david Miscavige did lose 30 million of his money on a bunch of Oklahoma oil wells that were scams and a whole bunch of other stuff.
Speaker 1:So Hubbard wasn't wrong that Dave was stealing his money, of course, but he thought Dave was stealing his money and or other people, Scientology was stealing his money. And so he had them bringing him a banker's boxes to chalk full of cash. And they were bringing them and in this place in Creston they started putting him in his bedroom and then his bedroom was like a hoarder house but instead of like newspapers and Depends and other stuff, there was just banker's boxes filled with cash and it was so much that they couldn't even get to his bed anymore. And they said, hey, listen, we got to start putting dough in the barn because your bedroom's a little full. And the story was that when Hubbard died, dave went to where Hubbard was living and that's where Pat Broker and Annie were. And then he basically told Pat Broker, I've got you taking cash over more than $10,000 over state lines, which is a federal offense over state lines, which is a federal offense, and so I think this is how the story goes, but in the Sea Org this is how the story goes.
Speaker 1:So who knows what the truth is, but that Pat Broker just filled up the back of his truck with bankers boxes and was like, okay, fine, I won't give you any problems if you don't give me any problems. And he just rode off into the sunset and that was the end of Pat Broker. And thenie tried to escape to go join up with pat and she was intercepted and she was brought back and I think she remarried, uh at least once or twice.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she married jim logan that's right, jared, but she also married, uh, I guess, charlie rush, but that might have been before that, I don don't know. Anyway, she was married a couple times, but she then became just Annie Tidman, and she lived at the international base until the end of her life when she passed away from cancer. Yep, okay, one more question, then we'll do another giveaway.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, we can do a few more questions.
Speaker 1:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker 2:Lady Jane out Question Is this like the 10 commandments of Scientology? Yes, I would say so.
Speaker 1:I mean it's kind of the I would say not the 10 commandments, because you know the the way to happen, the way to happiness is actually like the 10 commandments, it's 21 precepts it's 21 and 10 of them are the same as the 10 commandments. Basically do not murder, don't covet the they the neighbor's wife don't be promiscuous, promiscuous, take care of yourself yeah, some of others how you would want them to treat you.
Speaker 1:yeah, Don't yeah yeah, whatever we don't have to do all of them Like brush your teeth is one of them. I would say there's multiple commandments in Scientology. Brush your teeth is actually one of the way to happen is precepts.
Speaker 2:No, it's not. It's take care of yourself.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but in part of take care of yourself is brush your teeth Shower. Yeah, take a shower, sleep, brush your teeth. Hubbard couldn't brush his teeth, no matter what. He couldn't. Even that dude could have just got some work done. You know, he didn't have to have those rusty chiclets that he was rocking. Okay, thank you for that, lady Jane. Now, okay, let's find technology. Quote unquote just Hubbard's writings yes, very definitely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, it is.
Speaker 1:That's the answer to that, it is anything in anything that Hubbard wrote is technology. That's basically Scientology technology.
Speaker 2:Yeah, based on his research.
Speaker 1:Yeah, based on his research, and also, by the way, he did do research. I know there's a lot of people that are saying he didn't do research. He did do research. He was doing all sorts of funky stuff with what's his name? Jack Parson, oh yeah, and they were doing rituals and pain drug hypnosis.
Speaker 2:Alistair Crowley.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they were following the teachings of Alistair Crowleyley and Aleister Crowley didn't want anything to do with Hubbard. He was like screw that dude, he's a wackadoodle, but he was doing a lot of funky stuff.
Speaker 2:If you're a Scientologist read Messiah, or.
Speaker 1:Madman and.
Speaker 2:Barefaced Messiah, yeah, barefaced Messiah by Russell Miller yeah.
Speaker 1:You will find out that basically Hubbard's technology is.
Speaker 2:He went through other technologies or other forms of thought on different things and he basically cherry picked all of those things and made that Scientology, hypnosis, brainwashing made that Scientology, hypnosis, brainwashing, particular focus on ways to control, leverage, indoctrinate program and take advantage of innocent people and use their people's inherent wish to help other people and help other people do better to turn them into androids that would do his bidding yeah, I'm trying to find some questions from people.
Speaker 1:Here we go.
Speaker 2:Okay, brian question is Tom Cruise aware that Scientologist numbers are dwindling and that they can't get new people into the business? I mean church? Yes, business is exactly right. Uh, I'm sure he is, he's got to be right. Yeah, I mean, you'd have to be hiding under a rock to not be aware that Scientology is shrinking.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I will tell you, when Tom Cruise did this whole thing in 2004, 2005, when he started going on the Scientology, his great Scientology tour, like they were doing war, they were shooting War of the Worlds and Tom Cruise had a Scientology volunteered minister and on the set of the movie. And then when the movie came out and he's supposed to promote it, he's talking about Scientology and basically I think it was Paramount. I want to say it was Paramount Sumner, sumner Redstone. I think it was Sumner Redstone. He used to be the head of Paramount. I think his daughter, sherry Redstone, is now the head of Paramount.
Speaker 1:But either way, summer Redstone was like dude, I am paying you to talk about Scientology, we're trying to make some money here with the movie, okay. And so he got slapped around a little bit and then he doubled down and they were just like then screw you, we're not doing this. And then he basically learned I can't talk about Scientology when I'm doing movies. I got to keep that on the down low and he's got to do that doing other things, and he doesn't really do other things unless he's doing movie promotion. So these days he don't talk about it much. He kind of keeps his mouth shut about Scientology, which is kind of crazy for the dude who's the most dedicated Scientologist in the world to then go hush hush on Scientology. If you know what I mean, true, what kind of question is this?
Speaker 2:You know what I question Claire. Does Mark need a nap?
Speaker 1:I do need a nap, I always need a nap, but I don't need a nap. But you know what I mean, jeez Louise.
Speaker 2:We finally we work and everything else. We've actually had a really relaxing weekend. Yeah, the first time in a really long time. Yeah, I'm well, rested right now, okay, just because he's a little spicy every once in a while doesn't mean always. Sometimes it does, but not always. He's good, he's good yeah come on, take it easy, okay, lillian lillian question what is the contingency plan in case Miscavige get run over by a bus? Yeah, there isn't one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's no, he's not setting up. Lillian, I see your little Easter eggs. Thank you.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, look at that.
Speaker 1:Anyway, there is no contingency plan because David Miscavige took out all of the people that could possibly take over from him and the people that are left. They all know the dirty deeds about all the other people that are left, so he's already kind of poisoned everybody against each other. Yes, and he siloed so many things. Nobody knows what's in all the silos, except for Dave Right. There's the Church of Spiritual Technology CST silo. There's the RTC silo. There's the CSI Church of Spiritual Technology CST silo. There's the RTC silo. There's the CSI Church of Scientology International. Rtc is Religious Technology Center. That's the Scientology organization that Miscavige is the head of he silos.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Author Services IAS yeah all these things are siloed and I don't think there's one single person who knows all of the silos besides david besides david miscavige, no, not even shelly and not even the lawyers used to.
Speaker 2:Shelly used to, because she was there for everything, but she's not anymore so he could have moved things lou is the only other person that knows close to what miscavige knows yeah, probably, you're probably right. Because she's with him Right, doing all the stuff, doing all the good stuff. And maybe doing other stuff, we don't know.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, good question. Okay, do we have anything else? Can we do another giveaway? One more question.
Speaker 2:Yeah, one more question. There you go. Perfect, sorry for those. A real question from. I still don't understand the clay table. How does playing with clay help? Are you just forming what you think question question question looks like. So yes, actually the. So there's two things in scientology that use clay. The main one is clay demonstration, and this is linked to the barrier to study that is called lack of mass. So you're supposed to literally, if you're, let's say, let's say you're doing a clay demonstration of the misunderstood word, so you're going to make a person and every piece of clay has to be labeled with what it is. You cannot put any of the concept that you're demonstrating in clay on the label.
Speaker 1:So you can't write sentences. It just has to say if you're going to make a cake, you got to make a cake out of clay and you got to put a label on it that says cake.
Speaker 2:Or if you're showing somebody having a thought, then you have to do a circle in clay and the thought has to be shown in clay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you can't write a piece of paper and put it in the bubble. You got to write in the clay, like when you do a clay table.
Speaker 2:No, clay demo, Clay demo, not to be confused with clay table.
Speaker 1:I know, but when you go, but the table that the clay's on called the clay table. You're right. Anyway, you go to the clay table and there's all these different colors of clay. When you first start out, there's like red and orange and green and blue and red and it's like the rainbow of fruit flavors. Okay, and clay, and you usually there's like a rolling pin and some scissors.
Speaker 2:And we have to note too, it cannot be Play-Doh. That's strictly forbidden.
Speaker 1:It has to be modeling clay and it cannot even be plasticine. That's right. It has to be modeling clay. Yes, that's made for like artists that want to make like a model or a sculpture or something yeah, I mean, not like clay that you put in a kiln yeah, no, it's modeling clay yes, modeling clay and and um and but the.
Speaker 1:I just want to say this thing because when, when the clay table, whenever a building, a new building gets done in scientology, they get all new clay. Okay, that's just how it is. You got to start with new clay. If you got a new building, you got to start with new clay. Well, at the Int Base, the clay was so old that it's like it had morphed into. It's just this kind of Sedona reddish, orange, dirt color.
Speaker 1:Sometimes it would just kind of have color streaks through it, but it would even have dirt in it yeah, dirt and there, and sometimes there'd be a label in the clay. So you'd be rolling out a piece of clay and you'd be like, oh, what's this?
Speaker 1:and it says man man, or it's, or it's some broad's hair that just got rolled into the clay. You're like nasty, but but the clay would. Eventually, it would be mixed, and when you put it, when you or at the end base I love telling this story you would sometimes a clay, uh clay demo could take you two, three hours to do so.
Speaker 1:Your course period is two and a half hours yeah so the way it used to be at the end base in the desert 110 degrees during the summer, during the day sometimes, I think the highest was 125, but the clay table's outside and you're making a clay demo at like a at 10 o'clock at night when you're. You studied from? We studied from what?
Speaker 2:Seven to nine, 30, seven to nine 30.
Speaker 1:So you're, you're in the course room, it's in the desert, it's eight o'clock at night. You start up a clay demo and it's cold outside. It's in the desert, it's cold at night, hot during the day. Anyway, you make a clay demo and it's like it's nine o'clock. I gotta go nine 30. I gotta go. I gotta go back to post. I gotta go back to work at nine 30 PM and work for another two hours before we secure and um, it's like, okay, you got to put a note on it saying save, save my clay demo.
Speaker 2:I got to finish this thing tomorrow during study time from 7 to 9 30 tomorrow yeah, which technically you weren't supposed to, because you remember, you were always supposed to clean up your space that's right, but if you were in the middle of a gargantuan clay demo, they would basically let let it slide. They would make rare exceptions. I was a supervisor for five years remember.
Speaker 1:Okay, take it easy, don't buy my hair. Okay, so you put a little save note on your clay demo. You go home, you go back to work, you stay up for another hour or two, you do your work, you go, you work. All the next day you come back to the course room and there is a giant puddle of clay where your clay demo was. Yeah, because all that shit melted in the 110 degree weather. And now not only do you have to start your clay demo over, but you have now just mixed all of those colors of clay into one piece of clay.
Speaker 2:You know, you just reminded me of something about clay demos yeah. So the supervisor would have to come over and go through your whole clay demo and guess what it was. Yeah, that's right, and guess what it was that you had done a clay demo of, and if you guess wrong, it's flunk.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you have to basically redo the clay demo until that person gets it. They're not allowed to look. Well, no, they guess.
Speaker 2:So when you, at the end of doing a clay demo, you make a label and you write on the label it's called an overall label.
Speaker 1:Yes, an overall label An overall label, not an item label.
Speaker 2:An overall label and you flip it over and then you call for the supervisor and say, okay, I'm ready for my clay demo, clay demo checkout yeah, now I'm gonna do it, let's do it.
Speaker 1:Let's ask the scientologists out there did you write overall label on your label? I uh, I didn't I would sometimes write overall label on the overall label so that they wouldn't be confused with another label that might be there. Sometimes you would just have a label and we just blink, yeah, and then the person that was checking it.
Speaker 2:On the table in front of the clay demonstration.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then the supervisor would read through everything Okay. And then a man and a ball Okay, this is the cycle of communication. Flip over the label. Oh, flunk.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 1:You know, I didn't mind doing clay demos, yeah well the only bad thing about a clay demo, in my eyes, is you get a lot of clay under your nails and they have these little sticks that they were for like poking eyes in the clay demo people and making mouths and drawing within the clay and and you'd have to take those and dig. It was like a manicure set but the wood you'd have to dig all that clay out. I didn't like that part but I did like hanging out and and doing doing some clay demos. Okay, let's do another giveaway.
Speaker 2:All right, and then we will wrap it up for today.
Speaker 1:Congratulations again to SP Danny Yep, claire might have given you the spiel, I didn't remember, but I think I was doing something. Here we go. We're going to draw again. I don't know, I guess we'll just see how many are. Oh, it says there's another bunch of entries. Okay, we're going to see.
Speaker 2:Oh hey, laura FM is in the chat.
Speaker 1:Oh, she almost won too, harvey Denton.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's so fitting, since he had a great question today. Congratulations, Harvey. Send me an email claireatblownforgoodcom with a link to the item of your choosing and I'll send you a giveaway link. So there you have it, Easy peasy.
Speaker 1:Awesome, okay, do we want to do a few more questions? Sure, let's you a giveaway link. So there you have it, easy peasy. Awesome, okay, do we want to do a few more questions? Sure.
Speaker 2:Let's do a couple more.
Speaker 1:We're here, let's do it.
Speaker 2:Thanks to everybody joining us today, taking time out of this fine Sunday to hear us yap about the crazy, abusive cult known as Scientology.
Speaker 1:I'm looking for a good one, okay.
Speaker 2:Here's a good one. Okay, here's a good one, all right, pecker decker question. What do you think of the film battlefield earth?
Speaker 1:oh, my god, this is such a great. This is such a great question because when we were there, um and this you might even still be able to find this. I don't know if somebody has uploaded it, but as part of the battlefield earth movie, we did makeup tests and costume tests with John Travolta and we shot those. Golden Era Productions shot those.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and as a result of which you actually have a copy of Battlefield Earth signed by none other than John Travolta, who signed it as Terl, who's the bad guy?
Speaker 1:the main alien character in the movie. Yeah, now here's a crazy thing. I don't know if a lot of people know this. We might be like blowing the lid off of it right now. Do you know what I mean? Yeah, battlefield Earth is the story of Scientology.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And so not really Mission Earth, I don't know about.
Speaker 2:Mission Earth.
Speaker 1:Mission Earth is more just space porn for L Ron Hubbard.
Speaker 2:He wanted to battlefield Earth is the main good guy is Johnny Good Boy Tyler. And he's fighting against humanity is hiding in the mountains of Colorado.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I to be. I mean, this is probably, you know, an unpopular opinion, but I read the book when I was 13 years old. At the same time, I was doing the purification rundown. As you know, I read a lot of books. Yeah, I didn't think it was that bad. The movie, on the other hand, oh my goodness.
Speaker 1:Anyway, the story of battlefield Earth is about Scientology. Yes, humans are fighting against the psychs, the cyclos. The aliens in the movie are called the cyclos.
Speaker 2:And the cyclos keep humans as pets.
Speaker 1:And they brainwash them.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And they program them, yes, and they basically treat them badly.
Speaker 2:And they keep them with collars like electrified collars and all that and cages and so forth.
Speaker 1:But the psychologist, the psychiatrists, the cyclos, the aliens. The cyclos are representing psychiatrists. They're called the psychs, the cyclos. Yes, and psychiatrists and psychologists are called the psychs in Scientology. And so, and the, and John Travolta plays.
Speaker 2:Terl. Psychologists are called the psychs in Scientology and so and the and John Travolta plays Terl, who is the main bad guy in the movie. He's the bad alien yeah.
Speaker 1:He's just basically just an opportunist alien.
Speaker 2:Yeah, who played Johnny Goodmore Tyler in that movie? Barry?
Speaker 1:Pepper. Oh that's right, barry Pepper was the sidekick of John Travolta. I can't remember his name, his character name.
Speaker 2:I don't remember either.
Speaker 1:Anyway, and also John Travolta's wife at the time. Kelly Preston played his girlfriend alien in the movie as well.
Speaker 2:A lot of people don't know that as well.
Speaker 1:Hey, I'm full of fun facts, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:But also another fun fact, since he's asking what we thought of the movie. Oh shit, show know what I mean. Um, but also another fun fact, since he's asking what we thought of the movie oh uh, we had to. Every, every staff member on that property had, were tickets were purchased and we had to.
Speaker 1:We were all mandated to go and see the movie three times in a row. We were bussed there in c-org buses. We were brought and we were even taken to.
Speaker 2:I think it was Temecula.
Speaker 1:I didn't. I went to Hemp, we went to Hemp. I'm pretty sure?
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, it was spread amongst different movie theaters to have more of an impact.
Speaker 1:Oh, you're right, Because all everybody couldn't go to one.
Speaker 2:That's right, they bussed like.
Speaker 1:RTC to one place and gold went to one place. Anyway, we all were bought three tickets. We didn't buy the tickets no we did not.
Speaker 2:We were given and let me tell you, I mean, you know me, you give me a hard time about this all the time. I work hard, from the moment I get up until the moment I lay down and we watch movies laying in bed. And it takes five minutes for me to fall asleep. So it takes a really good movie and a lot of sleep for me to stay awake during the movie Not in the movie theater, but in bed, okay.
Speaker 1:I remember that almost everyone who went to this movie slept at least through two of the showings At least.
Speaker 2:And then what's even crazier is that after we saw the movie, david Miscavige wanted to see feedback. Feedback which basically mean meant you had to write a glowing review story or like oh, how amazing it was, and this and this and this movie was done being edited.
Speaker 1:He micromanaged this whole movie. Okay, john Travolta was, I think, a producer on the movie, but David Miscavige was the executive executive producer of this movie.
Speaker 2:Barbara Ruiz from Author Services was very, very involved. So was Javier.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but we were seeing dailies at the base Right. They would shoot the footage and then that would get sent to David Miscavige and sometimes David Miscavige would be like you want to see something and he'd show us some of the dailies he was getting on a movie we saw. Was that the Last Samurai we were seeing?
Speaker 1:Last Samurai dailies we were seeing we would. Tom Cruise would send him his dailies and John Travolta, tom Cruise would send him his dailies and John Travolta. By the way, john Travolta and Tom Cruise not friendly, but in Scientology they're not best buddies, if anybody wants to know. But when David Miscavige was done micromanaging the shit out of this movie, when it was done he told us in meetings this was the best movie ever made. He said this is the best movie that's ever been made. Okay, then the movie comes out and everybody's like this is the worst movie ever made. Then tom cruise calls up david miscavige and he's like dude, what the fuck with john? And dave's like yeah, the sea sucker, he's such so out ethics, such a piece of shit. He. He threw John right under the battlefield earth bus. He did it's like I didn't have shit to do. I didn't even know what he was doing. And meanwhile Miscavige micromanaged every fricking part of that movie ever.
Speaker 2:Anyway, when you're the boss, you can change the narrative anytime you want.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that movie history that movie is an analogy, or whatever the word is for something that is meant to be about scientology. Yes, there's probably some other word that would be a proper or better explanation, but yeah, um, okay, I think we're good. I think we uh we had a good time. Um, we answered a lot of good questions.
Speaker 2:Maybe our uh social media oh look, who's back dr x, hello, nice, good to see you um we haven't been here for a while and, um, we miss all the the frequent flyers and all that.
Speaker 1:Oh, I gotta put I guess I. Oh, I was said that I saw a super chat besides the oil scam?
Speaker 2:how many investments quote unquote do you think david miscavige has invested in and lost money on, but no one knows about? Could this be one reason he quote fundraisers unquote so much besides wanting more money? Since Scientology is all about money, that's a really good point. That probably does have a lot to do with it. Didn't he lose a ton of money or miss an opportunity on treasure hunting? I mean, he's been doing all kinds of things.
Speaker 1:Well, no, okay, so there's a. There's a book. This is from years ago. Um, there's a book. It's called the deep blue sea. That's what I'm pretty sure. It's called the deep blue sea and they it's about these scientists that were studying ocean patterns and they basically reverse engineered a way that if they knew about where a ship sunk, then they could use the tidal wave patterns and all that to figure out where it will be now based on science, like, oh, in 1865, this boat sunk with all this gold and that all the reports from the people and all the written accords of the time say it happened. Right about here, then it should be here. And they were fundraising, they were trying to get some dough together and they actually went to Scientology. This was, I want to say, it was in the 80s.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's what I think, and they went to.
Speaker 1:Scientology. This was I want to say. It was in the 80s yeah, that's what I think and they went to Scientology and this is in the book by these guys. They wrote a book about this.
Speaker 2:Including that they went to Scientology. Yes, oh, there you go. It's in the book.
Speaker 1:And the people they met with were Lyman Spurlock. Rest in peace.
Speaker 2:Even though he did write knowledge reports on us all the time.
Speaker 1:But that's true, he didn't like us that much. He said I knew there were up to no good After you escape.
Speaker 2:he wrote a knowledge report on me Cause we lived in the same house. We had a room with a bed and our dog in there.
Speaker 1:And they were in the next bedroom over.
Speaker 2:Yes, and Lyman said I always knew there was nothing good going on behind that door. Always knew there was nothing good going on behind that door. We were sleeping, dude, if we ever slept like dude. Why, why, why so harsh I?
Speaker 1:knew they were. Anyway, yes, rest in peace, Lyman.
Speaker 2:Hopefully you're at peace now.
Speaker 1:Anyway, the other guy was Pete Bleca.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:And we were in a meeting one day and Dave is the one who told us the story and he said um, what about the time? You guys turned down the blah, blah, blah? Anyway, these scientists were fundraising. They came to Lyman and Pete, who were working at Author Services at the time, which they were the ones that had the millions and millions of dollars, Because that is the organization which collects royalties from Scientology on all of. Hubbard's property on all of his written and any work that he's done recorded lectures everything.
Speaker 1:Okay, and Pete and Lyman. So the story Dave tells is that Pete and Lyman turned these guys down and then whatever. That's the end of it. Well, these guys, they start plucking sunken treasure out of the ocean full time and the whatever, the 10 million they wanted from scientology would have been a billion based on how much these guys made. Wow, like they, really they, they slayed it yeah anyway.
Speaker 1:But, um, he had pete blacka and lyman come into the meeting while he was telling this story and then he said, oh, you know, tell these guys what you guys did. And they said, yeah, we didn't do the deal. Okay, well, pete Blekka worked for me in Sydney when, at this time, Yep, I remember.
Speaker 1:Anyway. So after the meeting I go and I asked Pete. I said, pete, what's the story? Is that true? And he goes no, and I go. What do you mean? He goes? No, we wanted to do it. Dave told us not to do it there you go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that makes way more sense, he goes, yeah.
Speaker 1:Lyman and I were like he was like Lyman and I were like 100% on. It was like this is a genius, this is going to work. So maybe somebody has a copy of this book. It's called the Deep Blue Sea. I'm pretty sure you can get it on Amazon. But either way, I'm going to see if I can find a copy of that and maybe we can read the section about the Scientology involvement. And I don't know how much money these guys made, but I'm pretty sure it was in the billions of dollars or the gold that they've recovered since. Great question yes, dr X. I don't know of any other things that he lost besides the 30 million on the oil wealth scams. But that's only one of the stories and also the only reason I know about this story is from Pete Blecker.
Speaker 2:Nice, by the way, professor Carr-Kahn here, says Lyman was a great guy in the 1970s before he joined the. So yes, I'm sure he was. Many people were great people before they joined the CRO, but also to be fair, lyman was a chill dude most of the time.
Speaker 1:He was, of course. After I escaped he got nasty and wrote a report, but he never wrote. I don't think he ever wrote a report on me the entire time I was there and he was the international finance director for a lot of times and I was getting money out of him for movies and stuff like that. All the time. He'd be like, hey, what do you really need? And I'd be like I really need 350 000.
Speaker 2:He'd be like yeah, lyman was it he was a chill guy yeah um oh what, what? No, no, never mind, you're laughing, I saw, xenu in the in the oh clara's uh, one of the moms has got some.
Speaker 1:Xenu action in there. I don't think we missed any more super chats. Thank you for that, Dr X.
Speaker 2:That's very generous, nice to see you.
Speaker 1:Okay, I think we did it. We're good. We made it to the end and guess what?
Speaker 2:We will be back.
Speaker 1:We'll be back next Sunday, right, we'll be um, I don't know, am I trying to be back? I would like to say two things.
Speaker 2:Number one we've done a number of um appearances on other channels, so when those things come out we'll just link to those as community posts. Second of all, thanks to the many different people you got a link to my tony thing.
Speaker 1:I did my uh, oh, yeah my what group therapy yeah?
Speaker 2:podcast. I did one of those with him too.
Speaker 1:We'll post those in the community.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then the other thing is thanks to the people who are sending in Buzzsprout fan mail. I've mentioned this before. Buzzsprout does not provide us any contact information to be able to respond. So if you would like us to respond, then include an email that we can, or just say you can read this if you would like us to respond, then include an email that we can you know or just say you can read this if you want on the comment because we don't want to read. Yeah, we don't know.
Speaker 1:People write to us all the time. We don't know your story, we don't know, we don't want to read. If you comment on youtube, then you don't mind, but if you send us fan mail or if you send us an email, uh, we're not going to read it unless you specifically ask us. Would you mind reading this? Or, if it's okay, if you want to read this, because sometimes people who are writing to us might be Scientologists that aren't out of Scientology.
Speaker 2:And if we go like hey, thanks a lot.
Speaker 1:Billy Bob. One, two, three and he go like dude. My kids are in the Sea Org, you can't.
Speaker 2:And then that's it now he doesn't get to talk to his kids, we don't like oh man, now all these super chats are popping up.
Speaker 1:Who's that?
Speaker 2:oh, it's jacob harkey one last super chat because I joined late. Hello, all good to see you, jacob.
Speaker 1:Thanks for joining us and then we got a um socky mix, sock face sorry I was late.
Speaker 2:I was watching the gooniesies in the cinemas for its 40th anniversary, nice, you know who's in the Goonies.
Speaker 1:A lot of people don't know who Josh Brolin. He's the big kid in the Goonies, really. Yeah, he is the older teenager in the Goonies. There's a lot of big people in the Goonies.
Speaker 2:I don't know that I ever actually got to watch that movie from beginning to end.
Speaker 1:We should watch the Goonies. You haven't seen the Goonies.
Speaker 2:It was media blackout. They weren't letting us watch movies in the cadet org.
Speaker 1:And what's that other guy?
Speaker 2:Hello guys.
Speaker 1:We got to see that. Okay, nice, there you go. He's the older brother Kaz. He's the older brother there we go. Awesome.
Speaker 2:Um cool, Cool it's been a fun one. Thanks again to our mods Clara and Catherine. Clara says Mark just stocks Billy.
Speaker 1:Bob dude, I know Billy Bob one, two, three. You know I was saying Billy Bob one, two, three and I think somebody actually made their scrutiny of Billy Bob one, two three.
Speaker 2:You know it's so funny. One time somebody said well, how, how do I reach out to this person or that person without them knowing? I was like you can just make you know Billy Bob email. And so next thing you know, I got an email from Billy Bob. I was like oh wow, they took me quite literally.
Speaker 1:Jacob says Josh Brolin had some funny interactions with Paul Haggis in the book Going Clear. Yeah, you know what else we actually ran into, josh Brolin and Diane Steamboat. Springs. Else we actually ran into josh brolin and diane steamboat springs. In steamboat we were on a ski trip in like 2006 or 2000.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think I was pregnant at the time 2006.
Speaker 1:I want to say it was in 2006 steamboat yeah, and we ran into josh brolin and his wife at the time, diane I can't remember her last name, but we ran into them in the um um, like the ski rental place.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I remember, I was like hey.
Speaker 1:I know you. Yeah, I'm going to ski with my family. Yeah, me too. Okay, that's it. We're going to kill it. We're done, we're going to end it. Um, thank you guys. Um, yeah, thanks for supporting us. Thanks, and we will see you on the next one Yep, probably next week. Yeah, we're doing other stuff too. We're doing lots of other channels and we're doing podcasts with other people.
Speaker 2:So we'll post those in the community page if we missed it. For the foreseeable future, we have some stability on Sundays for the next few weeks, so we can get back into a routine.
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