Scientology's KSW: The Mind Control Blueprint - Scientology Secrets #9

Marc and Claire Headley take a deep dive into Scientology's critical "Keeping Scientology Working" (KSW) policy, revealing how it creates a no-win situation where followers are trapped in a cycle of self-blame while protecting Scientology from criticism.

• KSW establishes ten points that form Scientology's mental control system
• The policy includes Hubbard's chilling statement: "We'd rather have you dead than incapable."
• Every Scientology course begins with studying this policy, reinforcing the conditioning
• KSW creates "fanatical Scientology" with no room for moderate practice or questioning
• The policy uses apocalyptic language about saving the planet to justify extreme dedication
• Scientology redefines words like "reasonable" to control members' thinking
• The policy serves as the justification for disconnection and attacking critics
• Hubbard portrays himself as uniquely able to "rise above the bank" unlike ordinary humans
• When Scientology doesn't work, KSW ensures members blame their "misunderstood words" or application, never the technology itself

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Transcript

Introduction and Beard Removal Announcement

Speaker 1 0:12

Hey guys, welcome back to the channel. Welcome to another episode of Blown for Good. Scientology Exposed or is it Exposing Scientology?

Speaker 2 0:21

Scientology Exposed.

Speaker 1 0:22

I'm joined today by my lovely wife Claire. Hey, hey, hey thanks for being here. Well, I think everybody's.

Speaker 2 0:34

We might as well just go out and talk about it, since it's big news everywhere.

Speaker 1 0:37

The elephant in the room? Yeah, beard, for gone is he's gone.

Speaker 2 0:41

But never fear, he's still blown for good.

Speaker 1 0:46

I couldn't uh. It was it's too hot, guys, it's too hot, I'm I'm a wimp when it comes to heat. I gotta, uh, I gotta, I gotta stay cool.

Speaker 2 0:55

So I had to lose the beard yep um we have, we have a happy dance from the, from the wifey, yay.

Speaker 1 1:03

Yay, yeah, she was not a fan.

Speaker 2 1:06

You know, I support you in many ways and whatever you want to do, I'm pretty much willing to tolerate a lot of things, and teamwork makes the dream work, as they say, as we always say. But yeah, yay for beard being gone for good, at least for now. I'm not going to jinx myself here. Yeah, yay for beard being gone for good at least. Well, at least for now, I'm not going to jinx myself here.

Speaker 1 1:29

Yeah, while we're waiting for people to show up, we don't normally do lives on Saturdays, but there's scheduling issues and it was do one today or skip a week.

Speaker 2 1:40

So we figured we'd do it today. Yeah, I kind of messed up last week because I was like, oh yay, we're going to be here every Sunday. And then right after that I went and looked at your calendar. I was like man, I forgot Sunday was out.

Speaker 1 1:56

Um, we like to, while we're waiting for everybody to show up, uh, we like to uh see where everybody's uh watching from. Um, it gives us a few minutes to allow people to get their notifications and then kind of get to wherever they're going to get if they want to watch. So we'll put up a few of those right now and, yeah, see where you guys are watching from.

Speaker 2 2:18

Sounds good. All right, we have Anita Hi from the Netherlands, nice Elron's Cupboard. Good morning from Darwin. Down Under Peeps. My contacts are a little blurry, sorry folks. Techie Hi from Flyover Country, usa. Hey Techie, I forget who that is Janine Taylorsville, Kentucky, Nice Kaz, high from the land down under Nice.

Speaker 1 2:51

Double down under.

Speaker 2 2:52

Yes, exactly, bear's mom, Indiana, nice. Tracy howdy from Wyoming, carla high from England Yay. Karen Hay from Northern California and Monkey Paws hi from Central Victoria, australia. Necessary Trouble is here from Montana, yay. And then, whoever that was, from Vermont oh, mar hi from Vermont, there we go. Joseph hi from speedway, indiana, nice thanks for joining us. We appreciate everyone being here this fine saturday yeah, oh, here we get some more actually believe it's already august.

Speaker 2 3:34

Karen from montana uh, something forklift you, I got in the live this time. Hi from la county, awesome, poodle bone. Hello from new york city and monica, florida, all right. Ag agt mom, north carolina, hereiladelphia, pennsylvania, nice. Gracie. Hello from new york, betsy sue. Greetings from cameron, north carolina, jack shaw. Howdy from henderson, nevada, nice. Apostate alex in the house in turb in charge international association of suppressive persons, uk reporting for duty. Hi, alex colleen, long beach, california, nice. And lupita from scorching, texas. Mark has been in some very, very hot destinations lately. Uh, denny sue hi from detroit, jdr. Hello from palm coast, florida, nice. Uh, ddk hi from beautiful rhode island, the ocean state here's another one.

Speaker 1 4:54

Um, actually I'm going to save this for another thing later, okay all right, uh, sherry lynn, hi from ontario, canada, nice witness.

Speaker 2 5:00

Hello from Hi from Ontario, canada, nice Witness. Hello from SoCal, nice. Love it Down the road a bit. Well, there you go.

Speaker 1 5:11

Yeah, where are the Dutchies at?

Speaker 2 5:14

Yeah, anita. Yeah, exactly, netherlands. Well, we did mix it up. Yeah, you know, rebecca, the planetarium goblin Hi from a very rainy sunset beach, north Carolina. Awesome, petrina. Good evening from Reading, uk. Awesome Greetings from Ann Arbor, re Johns.

Speaker 1 5:38

Awesome, okay, cool.

Speaker 2 5:40

We covered it.

Keeping Scientology Working Breakdown

Speaker 1 5:41

We did. We did a lot. Yes, we covered it. We did. We did a lot. Yes, um the last video, we did. We talked about scientology's policy keeping scientology working and we just read 10 of the points of keeping scientology working the 10 points. Yes, yes the 10 points the 10 points.

Speaker 1 5:59

But that's all we. That's all we really covered. We didn't cover, we covered. You know a little bit about the front of it, whatever, but we got a ton of uh feedback from that video and that video actually did very well. Surprisingly, compared to I, sometimes when we read scientology documents people are just like, oh my god I mean, what a snooze fest.

Speaker 2 6:17

and they're just like, and not, and not only that, our, our brains start going into like malfunction mode, like Like, oh my gosh, please stop. We left for a very good reason, yeah.

Speaker 1 6:30

So we figured that we would cover the rest of the policy, because there's some other crazy stuff that he talks about in the policy. Yeah, and again, this is Scientology. This is this. Keeping Scientology working is their layout of this is how we're going to do it. If we just do these things, it's a done deal. We're going to clear the planet. Scientology is going to clear the planet. When you hear Scientology say they're going to clear the planet, what that means is that they're going to make every single person on the planet get up to the state of clear within Scientology. So, essentially, to clear the planet, every single person on the planet needs to be a Scientologist, right? So clearing the planet, it's like getting everybody up to clear. But if everybody's a Scientologist, then they're done. They got it. Everybody's in. They've been trying to clear the planet since 1950.

Speaker 2 7:23

Yeah, I don't think it's going so well.

Speaker 1 7:27

They haven't cleared a zip code yet. They haven't cleared a postal code, much less a planet. You could take any city that has the most Scientologists, like the top five Scientology populated cities, and they haven't cleared any of those cities at all. And we've discussed this math not a strong suit of the Scientologists.

Speaker 2 7:51

No, and we're going to be discussing more of their math deficiencies in this in today's episode. So there you go.

Speaker 1 7:59

Yeah, so, yeah, so I guess we just get right into it. Let's, let's pull this thing up. Make sure I got it on the right page. Here we go. So this is the. Uh, I don't know why all these boxes are all around it.

Speaker 2 8:11

Yeah, I don't know either. It's probably my bad.

Speaker 1 8:15

Cause I was highlighting, I was highlighting. It's my bad it doesn't look like that in real life. It just has boxes around it, because that's the way we made it. We wanted to accentuate the text areas with an outline board.

Speaker 2 8:27

Call your attention to the various boxes of text presented herewith.

Speaker 1 8:33

Yeah, anyway, we covered all this in the last episode. This is the policy letter. It was originally written in 7 February 1965. So this is probably the end of the Dianetics era of Scientology. They were still talking about engrams and the bank and overcoming the bank and the trap of the reactive mind and all these things.

Speaker 2 9:00

Yeah, and you make a really good point. For context, this is approximately four years before the creation of the C organization, where members are required to sign billion year contracts.

Speaker 1 9:11

Yes, that's exactly correct, Claire.

Speaker 2 9:14

I know.

Speaker 1 9:17

Okay, so that's the first page. Then we went through these points and then remember this is going to in the policy letter he just talks about numbers. After we go through these points. And then remember, in the policy letter he just talks about numbers after we go through these 10 points. So when he says, this all requires 7, 8, 9, and 10, and mostly 9, but a lot of 10, and that's what he's talking about. He's talking about these points.

Speaker 2 9:42

Which is why we highlighted these points, because you have to pay close attention in this moment for any of the next quotes to make any sort of relevant sense.

Speaker 1 9:53

Yeah, so we figured we'd read these last. These are the last four points of keeping Scientology working, series one Right. Seven hammering out of existence incorrect technology. Eight knocking out incorrect applications. Nine closing the door on any possibility of incorrect talk oh, is there a word or symbol?

Speaker 1 10:13

you didn't nine, closing the door on any possibility of incorrect technology, and then ten, closing the door on incorrect applications. I was trying to figure out what the last line is, because I have a menu that covers up the last line, so I had to. I was my mind was pre-reading the next line.

Speaker 2 10:30

Yeah sure, that's what happened. Sure, I don't have a misunderstood word.

Speaker 1 10:34

Yeah sure, sure, you know if you guys didn't see the last video. If you're reading a Scientology policy and you stumble or you stomp or you pause or you scratch your nose or you scratch your butt or anything like that, that means you have a misunderstood word. Any Scientologist that's watching this knows this. And the other thing I do want to say this we do have a lot of Scientologists watching the channel. For sure. We tell people that all the time. Oh, there's Scientologists watching the channel. But this last week I don't know if a lot of you know this, but this last week was National Human Trafficking Day like to help victims of human trafficking and on that day we got a call in of somebody who portions of people that contact the aftermath are people that saw videos on the interwebs and the billboards. The billboards are making a close second to that main one, because we've had, we've been doing videos for years but and we've done TV programs and movies and all kinds of stuff, but yeah, the billboards are working.

Speaker 2 11:52

Yeah, for sure, absolutely. And we learned something new this week that I thought was hilarious was that there are people in Scientology. Of course, we all know that in Scientology you're not allowed to watch anything negative, uh, or read anything negative or anything on the internet, and very commonly Scientologists are interrogated as to what, what if they watched blah, blah, blah oh, that's right, I remember, and so we found out this week that there are a few Scientologists who the way they got in contact with us is that they were watching Scientology videos on YouTube.

Speaker 1 12:28

But official Scientology Correct yes.

Speaker 2 12:30

Not, not, not, not anyone exposing Scientology abuses or anything else, but like authorized Scientology viewing on YouTube and then they fell asleep or, you know, went somewhere else or whatever. Something happened and before you know it, what do you know? They're watching Scientology exposed channels. So all of that to say just a friendly reminder if you do enjoy our content, please subscribe to the channel, because it does help with the algorithms getting our content out to the people who most need to hear it.

Speaker 1 13:07

Yeah, the algorithm thinks if they want to know about Scientology, then they should know everything about Scientology.

Speaker 2 13:14

I mean, hey, let's apply Hubbard's multiple viewpoint system and hear all of the content that you could possibly hear about Scientology Wonderful.

Speaker 1 13:24

Yes, ok, I lost my cursor.

Speaker 2 13:28

Oh, there you go, so we're stuck with me, folks. This is now the Claire show.

Speaker 1 13:33

I did it again. See, look, I'm over there.

Speaker 2 13:34

He's blown for good.

Speaker 1 13:36

I got to figure this out.

Speaker 2 13:37

Oh, my goodness, yeah, literally. So we're sitting in this studio and Mark is at his laptop and his mouse is now on the other side of the room, on a different screen I don't know how I did this.

Speaker 1 13:49

Is that the? Bts have taken over it's the craziest thing, I know it's not. They take. Oh, here we go okay, we're good okay, we're gonna go back to. Uh, I was trying to hide a comment and I I went off into the other universe here so remember.

Speaker 2 14:03

Seven hammering out of existence incorrect technology. Eight knocking out incorrect application. Nine closing the door on any possibility of incorrect technology. Ten closing the door on incorrect application.

Speaker 1 14:16

Perfect and.

Speaker 2 14:16

I would also say that this is the primary policy that Scientology uses and that Hubbard intended to gaslight Scientologists into thinking that any issue they might have with Scientology is because they're doing it wrong and it's all their fault and their crimes and their this and their that. And also, while we're on this page, anytime you get a committee of evidence, always one of the charges is violation it's a high crime. And always one of the charges is violation it's a high crime, violation of any of the 10 points of keeping Scientology working.

Speaker 1 14:49

Yeah, so basically anything you do wrong in Scientology.

Speaker 2 14:53

It's because you did something. No, no.

Speaker 1 14:55

But it's one of these two things. No matter what the category of what you did, it falls into one of these things. For sure you didn't do it, you didn't know it was correct.

Speaker 2 15:03

You didn't believe it. You said something bad about it. You had bad thoughts about it.

Speaker 1 15:10

You had a critical thought about it whatever, yeah, yeah and I do want to say this before we move on to the next page is that, which is a very good point, these points that Hubbard had laid out? It does. It makes you second guess any doubts or anything you have, and it defaults to oh, I must've done something wrong because I have the correct technology. I just didn't correctly apply it or I didn't teach it correctly or I didn't so. But but you already know you have the correct technology, so it can't. It couldn't be that because you know that. It says knowing it is correct.

Speaker 2 15:47

Right. So so, even if you think, hey, this doesn't work, that is a violation of 0.3, knowing it is correct.

Speaker 1 15:58

That's right, and the only reason I wanted to bring this up is because I will put a link to it in the description. But Chris Shelton did this video a message to Scientologist. I'll put a link in the description, but if you just go to Chris Shelton's YouTube page, it's one of the videos he did within I want to say within the last three or four days.

Speaker 2 16:14

Yeah, and you also posted it on on our community. Oh, that's right, I did.

Speaker 1 16:18

I posted it on our community page on the Bone for Good channel. But the thing I wanted to say is that he answers like if you're a Scientologist, he gives you a very matter of fact, straightforward explanation of why things happen in Scientology the things that you wonder, hey, why is this happening? Or you have doubts, or whatever. And I just thought it was a very powerful video to somebody that was contemplating leaving or was having doubts about Scientology. So make sure you check that out. It's pretty good, okay. Next page oh, then we highlight those four things. We did that, okay.

Speaker 2 17:11

And then six, seven pages long.

Speaker 1 17:13

Yeah, but you highlighted this one thing. But I actually want to read this top paragraph because this is key. So it says this is L Ron. Excuse me, this is L Ron Hubbard writing this. This is L Ron Hubbard writing this. So he says we will not speculate here on why this was so or how I came to rise above the bank.

Scientology's Blame Game and Mind Control

Speaker 1 17:34

So the bank is the collection of engrams you have. These are these negative thoughts and experiences and pain that happened and all these commands that are basically in Dianetics. Hubbard tells you that it's these engrams, which that live in your subconscious, that are controlling what you say and do, and you don't even know that it's happening. It's just on autopilot. Your, your, your, your subconscious mind, the reactive mind, is making these decisions for you and it's basically overpowering your analytical mind. Okay, later on, just a few years later, you find out oh, wait, a minute, these are body things, they're aliens that are doing that, and that you, not only the engrams are like whatever, but you created the engrams and you actually created the reactive mind, correct? And then later you find out that your body thetans are the ones that are making you do all kinds of nonsense.

Speaker 2 18:38

Yeah, which is why, when you reach the state of clear, you ain't off the hook in terms of paying for Scientology counseling, and you have a lot more to still to do.

Speaker 1 18:48

Yeah, so. So he basically says he was able to rise above the bank, okay, and then he says we were dealing with only facts and the above is a fact. Oh, I didn't switch back over to me, sorry, claire's like pointing at me. We are dealing with only in facts and the above is a fact. The group, left to its own devices, would have not evolved Scientology, but, with wild dramatization of the bank called, quote unquote, new ideas would have wiped it out. Supporting this is the fact that man has never before evolved workable mental technology and emphasizing it is the vicious technology. He did evolve Psychiatry, psychology surgery, shock treatment, whips, duress, punishment, et cetera ad infinitum. Okay, so he this, is it right here? He's basically saying I was able to do it, nobody else was. If I would have left it up to you, schmuckos, you would have jammed it up and, to prove this fact, everybody else who's ever done this also schmuckos, but basically anybody. That's our competition, schmuckos.

Speaker 2 20:00

Yeah, but also too I. I'm sure many people have heard us talk about how Scientology is anti-psychiatry, anti-psychology.

Speaker 1 20:09

Here's just one of thousands of examples of Hubbard's statements about it, documenting that fact that we have climbed out of the mud by whatever good luck and good sense and refuse to sink back into it again. See that 7, 8, 9, and 10 above are ruthlessly followed and we will never be stopped. Okay, so this is key, because 7, 8, 9, and 10 10, that's basically Scientology, saying you have got to focus on 7, 8, 9, and 10. And that they will not be stopped. This is the way they're going to clear the planet. This is the way they're going to take over the whole situation.

Speaker 1 20:58

Now let's just remember 7, 8, 9, and 10. Hammering out of existence incorrect technology so that means psychiatry, psychology, any of that. Knocking out incorrect applications. That's getting rid of the SPS, because the SPS are the ones that are trying to change Scientology or get Scientology to stop disconnection or stop doing this. So you got to get rid of the SPs and then closing the door on the possibility of incorrect technology and then closing the door on incorrect application. So those are the keys seven, eight, nine and 10.

Speaker 2 21:34

Yep. And then don't forget the last sentence relax them, get reasonable about it and we will perish.

Speaker 1 21:43

Okay Now in Scientology, reasonable about it and we will perish. Okay Now in Scientology. Reasonable does not mean reasonable, it means the opposite of reasonable.

Speaker 2 21:50

It does Like many things in Scientology.

Speaker 1 21:52

Yes, so, in the real world, when you say, oh, that's reasonable, that means you've looked at both sides and you've, based on the facts present, you have been able to determine the course of direction that we will go in.

Speaker 2 22:08

Right.

Speaker 1 22:08

In Scientology. Being reasonable means you don't do the Scientology thing and you basically you listen to other people's excuses and let it be done that way. Like I say, oh, we can't clear the planet because that's too many people, we don't have enough time, and if people die every 80 to 100 years, then we'll have to start all over again and we'll never do it.

Speaker 2 22:35

That's being reasonable if you go along with that, that's right.

Speaker 1 22:40

Okay, do we need to read this? Yeah, we can read this last thing. Who cares? He says. So far, while keeping myself in complete communication with all suggestions, I have not failed on 7, 8, 9, and 10 in areas I could supervise closely, but it's not good enough for just myself and a few others to work at this.

Speaker 2 23:02

Very nicely done honey to work at this.

Speaker 1 23:08

Very nicely done, honey, anyway. So again he's like hey, I can't be the only one doing this, we got to get some big, big brain individuals doing this as well.

Speaker 2 23:14

Yep.

Speaker 1 23:15

And that's. And then, like Claire said very shortly after this, the C organization was formed, where you signed the billion year contract and you got got to be doing some KSW up in there too.

Speaker 2 23:27

Yeah, and it is also interesting to consider for a moment that just the evolution from Dianetics the early days and the I should say the devolving into fanaticism and hardcore belief which we're going to go through. A lot more of that here.

Speaker 1 23:54

Yeah, that's true. Oh, and the other thing is, in a lot of different cults, religions etc. There is a. There is like, what do you call it, when you're just like a fanatical? There is a fanatical version of that thing where you say this is the word, this is the gospel, and it can never, ever be different and it can never change, and it doesn't matter if we've evolved or we know now. That's not right. No, it says in the original teachings we've got to do that, and so this policy sets up Scientology that if you're in Scientology, you're in the fanatical version of it. There is no other version. You cannot be a non-fanatical Scientologist. You have to follow it to Hubbard's, every single, down to the word. If he said don't wash windows with fricking Windex and paper towels, you gots to be using newspaper and ammonia. That's just how it is. Okay. Why don't you read this next one? Because I don't want to be just the, the, the, the yapper hog here.

Speaker 2 25:02

All right, so and again, this is just the. We could go through the entire paragraph, but this is the part we've decided to cover.

Speaker 1 25:09

No, you've got to read. Just read the whole thing.

Speaker 2 25:11

Okay. The common denominator of a group is the reactive bank. Thetans, without banks, have different responses. They only have their banks in common. They agree, then, only on bank principles. Person to person, the bank is identical. So constructive ideas are individual and seldom get broad agreement in a human group. An individual must rise above an avid craving for agreement from a humanoid group to get anything decent done. The bank agreement has been what has made earth a hell, and if you were looking for hell and found earth, it would certainly serve. War, famine, agony and disease has been a lot of man. Right now, the great governments of earth have developed the means of frying every man, woman and child on the planet. That is bank. Oh my god, that is the result of collective thought. Agreement. The decent, pleasant things on this planet come from individual actions and ideas that have somehow gotten by the group idea, for that matter. Look how we ourselves. I have it covered up.

Speaker 1 26:17

Are attacked by public opinion media. Yet there is no more ethical group on this planet than ourselves. And this is another where he puts this little fricking bug, little bee, in your bonnet. He says yet there is no more ethical group on this planet than ourselves. So when you're breaking up families and you're stealing $80,000 off the credit card of an elderly, dying woman, Abusing children with slave, making them do slave labor, separating them from their family, their parents. Most ethical group on the planet.

"We'd Rather Have You Dead Than Incapable"

Speaker 2 26:54

Yeah, forcing people to terminate pregnancies, destroying family bonds, using tax-exempt dollars to attack people who are just sharing their experiences from a life lived in Scientology yeah, they are allegedly the most ethical group on this planet.

Speaker 1 27:15

I got to show this real quick Question was the name of Hubbard's Thetan barbiturate. Also, how do scientists deal with the contradictory information? Oh, scientologists deal with the contradictory information as they go up the line as individuals in your experience. Well, that's the thing they're not allowed to have contradictory information. That's not it.

Speaker 2 27:39

And this goes back to your description of reasonable Like you can't have a differing perspective or anything contrary to Scientology, so they literally just shutter it off. You can't as we've said many times, you can't insert logic into this like actual logic, because it just doesn't work.

Speaker 1 27:59

Yeah, okay, next page.

Speaker 2 28:02

Okay, squirreling.

Speaker 1 28:03

Also, if you go like this, you just where's your mouse, you just click, the thing goes off.

Speaker 2 28:08

Oh, perfect. Thanks, honey, oopsies, oops, I just moved the whole time. Squirreling, going off into weird practices or altering Scientology only comes about from non-comprehension.

Speaker 1 28:20

Okay, now that's key right there. So if you don't do Scientology right, it's because you don't understand it Right. It's non-comprehension which is making Scientology not work.

Speaker 2 28:33

The misunderstood word.

Speaker 1 28:34

Again, every time that this, this policy letter just strings you along to all these different things. Oh, if you have doubts, that's because you didn't have. You didn't know it was correct. Oh, you didn't work when you did it, exactly how you were supposed to do it. That's because you don't understand how it works. So there's always an out for Hubbard and Scientology. There's always an out for them.

Speaker 2 28:56

In fact, we've talked before about the three barriers to study, one of which is the misunderstood word, which is the most important one, and one of the symptoms. Like symptoms, what do they call it? The indicators of a misunderstood word.

Speaker 1 29:14

Yeah, the symptoms.

Speaker 2 29:15

Yeah, I know there's a word that's in the policy that I'm blanking on, which is a really healthy sign for me Indicators. No, but that's okay. But either way there's symptoms.

Speaker 1 29:24

Manifestations.

Speaker 2 29:25

Manifestations of a misunderstood word. One of them is a blow unauthorized departure like.

Speaker 1 29:33

Literally the reason somebody would altogether escape is because of a misunderstood word that's not talked about very often well, they do say that it's over some withholds, but over its and withholds before and overt and withhold was a misunderstood word.

Speaker 2 29:48

Yeah, all roads lead to Rome.

Speaker 1 29:51

All roads lead back to the course room or interrogation or a dictionary?

Speaker 2 29:57

Yeah, confessions and using words and sentences.

Speaker 1 30:03

Yes, yeah, this should be called. Somebody said this should be called. All the ways we blame you, it's never us. That's exactly that's why I wanted to bring this up, because if you meet any Scientologists in the world, it doesn't matter, they're all. If you say what's the most important policy in Scientology, this is something they will always give you the exact same answer.

Speaker 2 30:25

Absolutely. There's no other policy If they believe in God, or ask them what Scientology believes in. Ask them anything, you'll get a million different answers.

Speaker 1 30:35

But ask them what's the most important policy in all of Scientology unanimously this policy and even, like we said in the last video, when Tom Cruise there's one video of him yapping Scientologies and he mentions KSW twice In this little few-minute video, he mentions this policy and references it throughout the entire interview.

Speaker 1 30:59

And this is key because this and remember we said in the last video every single time you could do a hundred courses in Scientology and on every single one of those courses, this is the very first policy ready letter you read Yep, no matter if you've read it 20 times before, you're still going to read it. And sometimes you're still going to get what's called the star rate checkout, which is where they quiz you and they ask you to demonstrate things, and they ask you they. Basically anybody who's been in Scientology for a minute, they know all of the words in here that the newbies don't know. The real definition like reasonable. That's a great one, because you say, oh, it's from being reasonable, and a newbie would think, oh, okay. So the reason we got into this mess is because people were thinking clearly and making proper decisions. No, it's because they were going with the easy route.

Speaker 2 31:50

Yeah, no way to way to insert devilish semantics to twist people's minds.

Speaker 1 31:59

Yeah, and if you, we were doing it. Uh, an M nine and I wanted her to continue and say okay, go ahead and continue from usually.

Speaker 2 32:06

Yeah, start at the beginning of that sentence and and uh, read on from there from usually that sentence from usually yeah, oh, okay.

Speaker 1 32:15

I'm telling you to do that. Okay, okay, hold on. She's like thinking we're going to have a conversation about that part. I'm like, no, get to reading.

Speaker 2 32:21

Uh, usually the non-comprehension is not of Scientology, but some earlier contact with an offbeat humanoid practice which in its turn was not understood. When people can't get results from what they think is standard practice, they can be counted upon to squirrel to some degree.

Speaker 1 32:39

Squirrel again. We covered this in the last video, but squirrel means when you monkey with it.

Speaker 2 32:47

Yeah, exactly, you had your own recipe.

Speaker 1 32:49

You had your own ingredients to the recipe.

Speaker 2 32:52

You're, you know, flying doing your own special thoughts You're adding your own.

Speaker 1 32:58

Let your freak flag fly, Betty.

Speaker 2 33:01

But people often ask us why is it called squirreling? And this is the policy that says Hubbard's definition of squirreling. Of course he doesn't explain the derivation as to why he's that's such a negative connotation on poor, innocent squirrels?

Speaker 1 33:16

I bet you that dude was just in the park in the early days eating a bag of nuts and some squirrels just freaking jumped him. You know they took his nuts oh, my goodness.

Speaker 2 33:25

Okay, uh, let's see. The most trouble in the past two years came from orgs where an executive in each could not assimilate straight Scientology. Under instruction in Scientology, they were unable to define terms or demonstrate examples of principles, and the orgs where they were got into plenty of trouble. I would think that's what we should call a wrong. Why that's not why were got into plenty of trouble. I would think that's what we should call a wrong. Why that's not why they got into plenty of trouble, but whatever.

Speaker 1 33:53

Well, they got in trouble because they were doing Scientology. Scientology is not fun.

Speaker 2 33:58

No, and worse, it could not be straightened out easily because neither one of these people could or would. Duplicate instructions Is duplicate. Duplicate is a different definition too.

Speaker 1 34:15

Yeah, I mean, in Scientology they have this thing which is called the communication cycle, and when you say something to somebody, it's important to understand that they duplicate, that they understand what you're saying, so it doesn't mean to make a copy of it, right? Duplicate in Scientology? I think that is its own definition. I don't think that's a real world definition. Okay, so if you say, do you duplicate what I'm saying, it doesn't mean do you duplicate what I'm saying? No, it means it's still means do you understand?

Speaker 2 34:46

please don't talk to me like that.

Speaker 1 34:47

You're triggering can you imagine it? I, I never say, I don't ever say that no, no, did you duplicate what I said?

Speaker 2 34:56

I mean, it sounds like freaking android robot language yeah, did you duplicate that, oh my gosh, okay, well, if, if I have copy and paste.

Speaker 1 35:05

I can duplicate shit all day. Come on, take anything.

Speaker 2 35:09

All right, let's see here, so go ahead and continue on from hence. Okay. Hence a debacle resulted in two places directly traced to failures of instruction earlier. So proper instruction is vital. The director of training and his instructors, and all Scientology instructors, must be merciless in getting four, seven, eight, nine and 10.

Speaker 1 35:35

See again, he kind of flips the script there and he throws four in out of nowhere.

Speaker 2 35:38

Yeah, which again. At least, we reoriented you to seven, eight, nine and 10 at the start of this video. We're not going back to four. Now you understand why.

Speaker 1 35:45

I think it's applying correctly. Correctly, the correct technology.

Speaker 2 35:47

Yeah.

Speaker 1 35:48

Is it? Let me see If I win, guys, let's see.

Speaker 2 35:53

Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 1 35:56

It's not going back Teaching correctly the correct technology.

Speaker 2 36:01

There you go, there you go.

Speaker 1 36:02

I was off by one word. That's it. I'm going to the gulags. Okay, let's go back to here. Let's it. I'm going to the gulags. Okay, let's go back to here, let's go Now. I got to click all these things. I did. Oh wait. Oh no, I didn't, I went too far.

Speaker 2 36:12

Oh yeah, you did Okay.

Speaker 1 36:14

Okay, we did this one. Yeah, we did.

Speaker 2 36:16

No. Yeah we did you were at the end.

Speaker 1 36:28

Yeah, you had a misunderstood. You didn't comprehend it. Yeah, and when you don't comprehend it, you can't duplicate and follow instructions. Debacles ensue.

Speaker 2 36:36

Yeah.

Speaker 1 36:37

Did I cover? Is that it? That's what we're at, we're up to speed.

Speaker 2 36:39

That's exactly where we're at.

Speaker 1 36:40

Damn Damn Sam Okay.

Speaker 2 36:42

I, since we're down on a mod today. Okay, when somebody enrolls, consider he or she has joined up for the duration of the universe.

Speaker 1 36:55

This is what Tom Cruz is talking about in the Black Turtleneck video. He even kind of hints to this whole thing that's in here and he kind of reg regurgitates L Ron Hubbard and then says it in his own words in the video. So just read that whole dang thing.

Speaker 2 37:12

Yeah, okay, um, never permit an open-minded approach. If they're going to quit, let them quit fast. If they enrolled, they're a board, and if they're a board, they're here on the same terms as the rest of us. Win or die in the attempt. Never let them be half-minded about being Scientologists. The finest organizations in history have been tough, dedicated organizations. Not one namby pamby bunch of panty waist dilettantes have ever made anything. It's a tough universe.

Gaslighting Scientologists with KSW Policy

Speaker 1 37:48

the social veneer makes it seem mild, but only the tigers survive, and even they have a hard time yeah, in the video, in the tom cruise video I think, he says oh, it's wild and woolly out there, or something like that.

Speaker 2 38:00

Yeah, I know, and it's even.

Speaker 1 38:04

It's even stranger in retrospect to think about that video and think about, like no wonder the real world was like this dude has lost his marbles but he's using Scientologies and he's talking as if he were talking to Scientologists, because that black turtleneck video was never supposed to be seen outside of Scientology. It was going to be played at the 2004 international association of Scientologist event and it was only going to be watched by Scientologists, right? So okay, did we get it? Did you get where?

Speaker 2 38:49

did we get to? No hold on.

Speaker 1 38:51

We got to get to this one because this is good, this is really good. You got the Namby Pamby Pattiway Stilatons. You got that yeah.

Speaker 2 38:57

We'll survive because we are tough and are dedicated. When we do instruct somebody properly, he becomes more and more tiger. When we instruct half-mindedly and are afraid to offend, scared to enforce, we don't make students into good Scientologists and that lets everybody down. When Mrs Patty Cake comes to us to be taught, turn that wandering doubt in her eye into a fixed, dedicated glare and she'll win. And we'll all win. Humor, her and we all die a little. The proper instruction attitude is you're here, so you're a scientologist. Now we're going to make you into an expert auditor. No matter what happens, we'd rather have you dead than incapable did you read that last part?

Speaker 1 39:43

we'd rather have you dead than incapable that's scientology for you.

Speaker 2 39:47

But oh, let's not forget, we accept people of all religions we're the most ethical people on the planet yes, uh, yeah, whatever it's literally like we'd rather have you dead than incapable, that's.

Speaker 1 40:03

that's a direct quote from L Ron Hubbard. Okay, next page.

Speaker 2 40:10

Okay, next page. We're not playing some minor game in Scientology. It isn't cute or something to do for lack of something better. The whole agonized future of this planet, every man, woman and child on it, and your own destiny for the next endless trillions of years, depends on what you do here and now with and in Scientology. This is a deadly serious activity and if we miss getting out of the trap now, we may never again have another chance. Remember, this is our first chance to do so in all the endless trillions of years of the past. Don't muff it now because it seems unpleasant or unsocial to do seven, eight, nine and 10. Yeah, and this. This, by the way, this particular paragraph. The reason I highlighted this one is because this is what they use to make people sign billion year contracts.

Speaker 1 41:05

Yes, they do, and and I did want to say that when this policy letter was written it was in the 60s. So they just come out of a bunch of wars, you've got atomic bombs, you've got nuclear technology, the Soviets are launching rockets and they go into the moon, all kinds of stuff's going on. And this is a thing that Scientology, this is a button or like a um, it's a weakness that they push on people Like it's like hey, you need to join the Sea Org. And it's like oh, I want to be a, I want to be a surfer, I want to be a ski patrol. And they're like dude, no one's going to, you're not saving anybody with. You know, surfing the whole planet's going to be crisp charcoal and what's that going to be Right? So it's always like we're under this we're under this deadline that is going to happen any second.

Speaker 1 42:02

That this whole place is obliterated.

Speaker 2 42:03

Yeah, this is Scientology's ultimate call to action. The planet is going to be destroyed. This is your one chance in millions of years to make a difference and do something about it. So just become a slave.

Speaker 1 42:15

Yeah, and they want you to basically be like if it goes wrong it's your fault because you didn't do anything. And the drugs, crime, mental illnesses, you know, any problem in the world Scientology can solve. So if you don't do this, you're you're. You're basically setting it up to fail by not doing this Right. And so when the when they're trying to get you to give money, when they're trying to get you to join the Sea Org, when they're trying to get you to join staff or like a two and a half or a five-year contract in a local Scientology organization, they just jam this down.

Speaker 1 42:56

And especially for the younger folks, they know their parents have been in Scientology most of the time and the parents can't give any more money and so they kind of want their child to go into it. And if your child joins up for the Sea Org or for staff, then you get like a sort of little bump in your status because of that. And if that person ends up in RTC or at the international headquarters, then you're basically like a rockstar Scientology parent that you raised somebody that went all the way to the top of the C organization and you get extra street cred because of that. For sure.

Speaker 2 43:35

I mean that's what happened with my mother. I've talked about that before she. She was in the C organization until I was 10 years old and then she left and, um, so she was had to pay a freeloader bill, do lower conditions and so on and so forth, and she had to do extra steps to be authorized years later to do the upper advanced operating Thetan levels of Scientology. And in her package of documentation she included that she'd allowed her 16-year-old child to go off to an unknown location where she had no awareness of, where she even worked for 14 years and had signed over guardianship. So yeah, she's a good Scientologist.

Speaker 1 44:19

Yeah, well, and that's the other kind of thing that's a little silly in this. This is basically like everything's going to die and we're all going to the planet's going to be gone if we don't get the planet cleared, like right now. Right, and, and Hubbard and many other Hubbard policies he talks about, like we don't have decades to do this, we have months and years. Okay, and oh, claire, just boofed everything.

Speaker 2 44:44

Hold on a second? No, I didn't, I just took the policy down.

Speaker 1 44:49

Oh, we don't, there's no more slides. Oh well, then you go. You hit this button.

Speaker 2 44:51

I know that's what I was working on until you called me out so rudely holy moly, so I gotta deal with this.

Speaker 1 44:57

It's like I'm just kidding okay, anyway, it's always like we got to do it. Now we got. This thing was written in 1965. Exactly Nothing's happened. Nope, we're good. Yep Shit, sure, yep Shit happens. Yeah, but Scientology ain't stopped nothing.

Speaker 2 45:17

Nope, there are more ex-Scientologists and ex-SEERG members than there are Scientologists. Yeah.

Speaker 1 45:24

It's ridiculous. Yeah, it's ridiculous. So even if you're a Scientologist, there are less Scientologists now than there were in 1965. That should tell you something, guys. You ain what it is.

Speaker 2 45:44

They make it somebody said that in an extreme call to action.

Speaker 1 45:48

Fly by. Here it is. Yeah, jesse, jesse Bluma. Thank you, jesse.

Speaker 1 45:53

Manufacturing a crisis is an effective tactic High pressure groups, politicians and salespeople use. Yeah, if you don't go my way, bad shit's going to happen up ahead. There's a roadblock up there that only I know about, and if we go this other direction, we're not going to hit the roadblock. Nothing bad's going to happen to us.

Speaker 1 46:12

And that is how Scientology, that's how they get these people to do it, and once they get you in, that's all they need, guys. They just need to get you in there and they just need to get you a little. You're wrapped up in all this stuff, and then you get a family member in, and then you get maybe you move over to a Scientology company. That's it. You're stuck Because if you don't go with the flow, you're going to lose your job. You're going to lose, now, the person that you got into Scientology. So this is what happens to parents. They think this is the way to go. They get their kids in, they get the family in, and then they go up the bridge and they're like oh my God, this is a bunch of nonsense. And now they're screwed because-.

Speaker 2 46:54

They're deep in Scientology's spider web and they're stuck.

Speaker 1 46:58

And this is what happens. When we talk to people, when they call in or they contact the Aftermath Foundation, we hear from these people and they're in this web of nonsense and there's no easy way to not navigate the web, because that's the way it's designed. It's designed to lead you down a path. It's like the. It's like Chinese finger cuffs you can put your fingers in, but you can't be pulling them out. Okay, it's only you can only go, that you can only keep going in Scientology. And if you jump out early, then you jump out a low right and you jump out on your own and you jump out with as little as possible because we've taken all your money, we've, we, we, everybody that's in your life's in Scientology. So when you leave you and that's the key thing I want to make sure people understand, because a lot of people say, if you're in Scientology and you're not in the C organization, just leave. It's not that easy and that's why it's sort of like yes, of course, the C org members are probably the most vulnerable, I would say.

Speaker 2 48:04

For sure, and because and primarily that's because Sea Org members are the most isolated, the most controlled and are the most cut off from access to the outside world and access to their family, who are not in Scientology and all those other elements that generally in the course of someone's life is a positive influence and a foundational building block of a, you know, a human being.

Speaker 1 48:33

Yeah, and and also, when a Sea Org member leaves, most of the time the only place they'd ever have to go is to their family, right, and so if their family's in Scientology, then they don't really have a way to go. If you're not in the C organization and you're like I don't want to do any Scientology anymore, a lot of you could just not do Scientology. And it's not going to be the end of the world. You still can't be talking shit about it. You can't be telling other people that you had some sort of epiphany, that this is a bunch of nonsense. You have to keep playing the game. You got to play along, to stay along.

Speaker 1 49:16

If you're in the Sea Org, there is no way to not play along. You have to do whatever you're told because you've got nowhere to go. And the thing I wanted to say about that is that we can't call these people, we can't email these people. So the billboards is kind of one of the few things that we can get. We know they have to go from where they live to where they work, and if they see something on the way, great. And also people say, well, what if it's not, why are we have these other ones all over town. Well, sometimes Sea Org members get sent out to do stuff.

Speaker 2 49:48

Yeah, and and also on that front. The other reason is that very often in places where there are a lot of Sea Org members, there's a lot of Scientologists.

Speaker 2 50:00

And so if you have a family member who's in the Sea Org, then then you know, oh good, there's a resource that I can help my family member get out. In fact, we've told this story to. The last time we were in Clearwater, we were at a restaurant, you know, and we were just sitting down, a bunch of us having dinner, and this woman was looking over at us and and it became obvious she was trying to say something to us.

Speaker 1 50:28

Even the restaurant staff were like hey, we've seen this, she was trying to say something to us. Even the restaurant staff were like, hey, we've seen this woman a lot since you've been here and she keeps clocking you guys, Do you need us to do anything?

Speaker 2 50:36

And then and she, this woman, came up to us and said my child is in the C organization. Thank you so much for everything that you do and, um, for being there as a resource to help when my child is ready to get out. So that's the other reason. It's just awareness and knowledge of the programs that we have to help people. So totally. Yeah, which we have an exciting announcement coming soon at the end of this episode.

Speaker 1 51:05

Well, we can just say right now this is where we're at, we're not at the very end.

Aftermath Foundation YouTube Announcement

Speaker 2 51:09

So, starting tomorrow on the Michael J Rinder Aftermath Foundation YouTube channel, myself as board president and Phil Jones, as our new executive director, will be starting the Foundation Feed series, where we will strictly and purely and only be talking about the work that the Michael J Rinder Aftermath Foundation does. We'll be diving deep into all the programs testimonials,000 subscribers, at which point we can then host Aftermath Foundation fundraisers there for anyone who wants to support our work, and even if you just want to support by clicking the subscribe button, we include the link to the channel in our video description. So we really hope you can join Phil and I tomorrow on the Aftermath YouTube page.

Speaker 1 52:08

What time is that going to be?

Speaker 2 52:09

It is going to be at 2 pm Mountain Standard Time.

Speaker 1 52:12

Okay, there you guys go. You heard it here. Okay, let's do. Oh, we got some super chats, we'll read those real quick and then we'll get to a bunch of these questions.

Speaker 2 52:21

Yes, all right. Debbie Baker, love the both of you. Thank you, debbie. We appreciate it. Thank you for being here and supporting the work that we do. Oh, somebody. Oh, look at this. Okay, betsy Sue Love the new Michael J Rinder Aftermath Foundation video clip Beautiful. Yes, as we just mentioned, we're going to be putting up a lot of new content there. It just makes things way more straightforward to have a dedicated foundation channel where we talk about that and, of course, everything that goes on on that channel is in support of the Aftermath Foundation directly. So the channel is not yet monetized. When it does, any funds raised will go directly to the Aftermath Foundation.

Speaker 1 53:06

Yeah, I think we need to get up to at least 10,000 subscribers as one of the monetization milestones, and then we need to get a lot of watch hours, so we're going to be putting a bunch of content up there. I just had a good idea. I think we should just recut any of the survivor stories. We could recut those with an intro, an Aftermath intro and outro, and then put those up on the channel as well. Brilliant, yes.

Speaker 2 53:34

And specifically the 10,000 subscribers for anyone who's curious about that specific number. The Aftermath Foundation is an authorized nonprofit through YouTube. However, for a channel to originate a fundraiser in which Google and YouTube cover all of the fees, so generally, when someone does a super chat, for example, youtube takes 30%. When you do a fundraiser through YouTube, they cover all the fees. So every single dollar donated and support goes directly to the approved nonprofit through YouTube. So it's a really great functionality and it makes so much sense to use that platform to share the successes and the work that we do.

Speaker 1 54:19

Yeah, totally, when we do a fundraiser for the aftermath, it works that way.

Speaker 2 54:24

Yes, it does.

Speaker 1 54:25

But then if you do a super chat or people watch the video later, it's just. It's just a little convoluted on where all the funds are going. But if it's an aftermath channel doing an aftermath foundation, a foundation video, and everything goes straight to the aftermath.

Speaker 2 54:40

Yeah and um, any other channel that wants to support that fundraiser can do so. So, for example, it will originate on the Aftermath Foundation YouTube channel and, of course, bfg and anyone else. Any other channels that want to support the work that we do can do so.

Speaker 1 54:58

And they could list that as the receiver of any funds that get donated.

Speaker 2 55:03

Exactly yep.

Speaker 1 55:04

Awesome. Okay, let's keep going with these questions and super chats here.

Speaker 2 55:09

Okay, todd Johnson, I approve the beard removal. 15 years younger. Yes, my handsome hubby is back. I mean, I love the beard honey. I really did. He does not.

Speaker 1 55:21

Shannon. Thank you, that's very generous Shannon. I was wondering. I didn't see any Shannon comments and then there she is.

Speaker 2 55:28

Yes, yay, shannon, debbie Baker, we did that. One Love the both of you. Thank you, debbie. Okay, good Then I think we'll cut up on those.

Speaker 1 55:35

Okay, Now there's a ton of great questions, yeah, and and comments. Techie said I lost my beard to be in the film history of an e-meter and you just confirmed that I know who this is. I thought I. I thought I recognized the screen name from years and years ago.

Speaker 2 55:53

Yes.

Speaker 1 55:53

Um, okay.

Speaker 2 55:54

Thank you for being here. All right, lillian, what is your take on the new Tom Cruise relationship with Ana de Armas? De Arma, I'm not sure how you say it.

Speaker 1 56:03

Yeah, you did, you did fine. Okay, you did so you didn't. Saskia, chewing that one up, I'm sad. I really liked Anna to Armis I know her from. She was in the John. She's been in a there's a John wick movie with her in it, yes, and she's been in all kinds of other stuff. But I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 2 56:22

Hopefully she'll get her Google foo on as you like to say.

Speaker 1 56:26

Yeah, I mean, there's no way. There's not a million people telling her like whoa, pump the brakes.

Speaker 2 56:33

Yeah, but it is what it is, guys, I'm telling you, if you're anyone who didn't know who she is now definitely knows who she is and is very concerned about her safety.

Speaker 1 56:42

Yeah, but if you, I don't know, it's a weird thing. There's no better hookup. You're going to get more gigs, or at least you think you're going to get more gigs and you think you're going to be more successful. And if this person's that successful, I don't know, I don't even know that it's true. I mean, it does look like they're getting a little handsy with each other. So, you know, I don't know People. I mean, if Tom Cruise does anything, somebody sends me an email and says what do you think about this? And I'm just like I don't know.

Speaker 2 57:20

Oh, this is a good one. Linda P Golan just said the gossip people are calling TC with Anna a showmance.

Speaker 1 57:27

A showmance, a showmance, oh, here it is.

Speaker 2 57:29

Oh, that's funny.

Speaker 1 57:31

Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I don't know, yeah, I don't. Uh, I would say to Anna, I would say it's time to GTFO. You haven't gotten. There's no big problems right now. You can get out. Right now. We'll be the least resistance.

Speaker 2 57:44

Okay, I have a message for Anna. Judge a man by how he treats his children and look at Tom Cruise's actions as a father, and that should tell you everything you need to know about who that man is.

Speaker 1 57:57

Yeah, well, that's a good point too. That's, that's a. That's a good point, I know Also this is another great point Scientology is the expert on relationships. Okay, they're the experts. They know how to have a successful relationship, and that's why L Ron Hubbard never talked to his kids.

Speaker 2 58:18

Yep.

Speaker 1 58:19

He let his wife take the fall for his criminal actions.

Speaker 2 58:23

And when asked about his third wife, he claimed he didn't have a second wife.

Speaker 1 58:26

Yeah, yeah, no. When he when asked about his second wife, he said I never had a second wife, even though he was on his third wife. So technically she would have been his second wife, the one his third wife. But he said I never had a second wife. What the hell? He's on his third wife. I never had a second wife. It's the best. There's an interview. We got to find that, we got to clip that, but my gosh. And then he ended up banishing his wife when she got out of prison and she died alone in Los Feliz of all places. Yeah, and then you go. Okay, that was Hubbard, it was a long time ago. Oh, what's Miscavige up to?

Speaker 2 59:07

Yeah exactly.

Speaker 1 59:07

His family is all jacked up His brother, his dad, his family is destroyed. His brother, his dad, his family is destroyed. And the few Miscaviges that are still in Scientology? They ain't never going to be anything of anything because they've all been giant screw-ups according to him. So he ain't doing much better. And then what's Tom? Tom Cruise? This is like marriage number three. No, this would be marriage or relationship, marriage number four or relationship number 500.

Speaker 2 59:41

Who knows?

Speaker 1 59:42

Yeah, who knows, but yeah, he's not doing too good in the relationship department, and that is Scientology guys and yet Scientology is a workable technology and you must know it is correct.

Speaker 2 59:53

Gosh the contradictions is never end. Apostate, alex. This policy is what makes scientology totalitarian and extremist, aka dangerous yeah, this is where you have that fanatical scientology. There's no um, there's no way to not be a fanatical science in the words of L Ron Hubbard you win or die in the attempt. You know.

Speaker 1 1:00:18

Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:00:19

That's what he said, paul. Well, I never actually caught a live. Young Claire and your new unbearded technical assistant, yay.

Speaker 1 1:00:29

That's it, an unbearded technical assistant.

Speaker 2 1:00:33

I was just waiting for the comments about you know. Anyway, whatever, I'm not even going to go there, nevermind Todd Johnson. Besides Mark's book, which tells the Miscavige years barefaced Messiah, gives a very good feel for the life and bizarre things he did over the years. Yes, I never um skip an opportunity to recommend that book to anyone wanting to know the true history of L Ron Hubbard. Really good point.

Speaker 1 1:00:57

Yep, what do we got here?

Speaker 2 1:01:00

Betsy Sue question does Scientology use a special Hubbard dictionary or Webster's? Yes, that's a great, that's a really good question.

Speaker 1 1:01:08

There's two Scientology dictionaries. Well, there were when we were there. They might have a new one now, or we would know if they did.

Speaker 2 1:01:15

Yeah, there's the red, one red cover. That's the technical dictionary. So that is, you know, like this fat and is where all technical related words.

Speaker 1 1:01:26

Like counseling and auditing.

Speaker 2 1:01:29

And reactive mind and so on and so forth. And then there's a different dictionary for all organizational policy related words. Some words, a handful of words, are in both dictionaries, but not for the most part they're distinct. So when you go to study in a Scientology course room, you get your course pack, your check sheet, a technical dictionary, an admin dictionary and whatever English language dictionary you also use. So you know it takes up a huge amount of real estate to study Scientology.

Speaker 1 1:02:03

Yeah, and they do actually have Hubbard, and Scientology routinely updates it, but they have, like, what are the approved dictionaries to use? Because some dictionaries to use, because some dictionaries don't have derivations in it? Right, and whenever you are clearing or looking up or or finding out a misunderstood word in Scientology using the dictionary you have to use, you have to learn every single definition of the word. So if the definition that you need is the second definition, you have to then clear the other 18 definitions and use them in sentences and then find the derivation and all that good stuff and then, only then, you go back and read that and with all that God forbid you yawn, yeah if you yawn.

Speaker 1 1:02:51

If you're ever in a Scientology course room, do not be tired and yawn, because if you yawn, then that means you have a misunderstood. That is a manifestation of having a misunderstood. Word is that you're sleepy or tired, or sometimes yawn.

Speaker 2 1:03:07

So let me ask you this Do you agree that most Sea Org members are expert at hiding a yawn, so you literally cannot see that they're yawning?

Speaker 1 1:03:18

Yeah, so I was good for I'm very good, but I have a tell. Okay, I don't know if you guys can see this, but his nose flares up.

Speaker 2 1:03:29

That's his till.

Speaker 1 1:03:30

That's my whole face getting scrunched up. My nose gets white right here If I yawn. No matter what I do. No matter what I do.

Speaker 2 1:03:39

I hate to say honey, but you're out of practice.

Speaker 1 1:03:41

I am out of practice, but I used to be able to sit there and be at the table and not do it, but no matter what my nose would. But I'll tell you what. Even that, okay, you're sitting there, you're studying, you have to, you have to pull off a yawn and just do one of these and then you just take it off. You know, yeah, no, when I was doing. It's funny that I, when I met Claire, it was one of the times that I studied in the course room the longest is when I was doing. This course called the key to life in Scientology and on the key to life, basically what you do. L Ron Hubbard believed so much that the misunderstood word was destroying the entire planet that he wrote an evaluation on why the world was failing, and it's called specifically why Sea Org members were failing to get his orders done.

Speaker 2 1:04:34

Not unlike David Miscavige's reason for creating the hole, by the way, but yeah.

Speaker 1 1:04:39

So what he did was he did an evaluation. It was called the World Out of Communication, eval. Yes, and the reason the world was out of communication? You guys are going to love this because this is basically the solution to all mankind's problems. Who knew the world? The reason the world is out of communication is because it has misunderstood words. But they're not just any misunderstood words, they're small common words like a and this B, two at these are the words 80 of them in that book.

Speaker 1 1:05:16

Yeah, so on this course, the Key to Life. They actually got Disney cartoonists to make basically a giant children's picture book of the definitions of all small common words and every single possible definition of every single one, and it's called the key to life. And you have to, you just have to basically do what we said an M, nine word clear. You sit across from somebody and you sit there and you just do, you go hey, and then you go person, place or thing or this or that or you know whatever. And then, um, if you mess up, what do you do when you mess up?

Speaker 1 1:05:58

well, when you're, you can't look up a word yeah, no um you have to look up the word in the book. How does that work? I don't remember that they have they.

Speaker 2 1:06:06

There's a glossary at the back that's right, there's a glossary word that's used in the small common words book yes is in the glossary because, yeah, what? During the time that you're doing the key to life course, you're not allowed to read any, any other policy not even a dictionary. No, not a dictionary either.

Speaker 1 1:06:23

Yeah, You're not allowed to read anything besides that book, because then you'll get more misunderstood and it'll slow you down. So you have to only read these words and then make sure you understand every single word. And when this came out in the late 80s the key to life and the life orientation course David Miscavige was actually in charge and he actually is the one who releases them and he goes out on the stage and he's like this is going to blow Scientology wide open. And this is it. This is the thing Whenever Scientology releases a new course or a new book or a new lecture series from L Ron Hubbard, it's always gonna be the.

Speaker 1 1:07:04

Thing you know what we we? There was six bolts holding the the top down and we got rid of five of them, but we didn't know there was a sixth bolt and this is going to blow the top off. And then it never does. Ever does. Scientologists that are watching this? Where's the key to life? It got released like 30 years ago, ain't?

Speaker 2 1:07:24

nobody doing it.

Speaker 1 1:07:25

In fact, Miscavige has since canceled the key to life course, because it was screwed up by a bunch of people that used to work for Hubbard and even though, even though the course was developed based on Hubbard's evaluation, like you said, and he was the one who oversaw it being released the last time People have amnesia in Scientology.

Speaker 2 1:07:45

Especially David Miscavige, who's trying to forget.

Speaker 1 1:07:48

Oh, Phil's here.

Speaker 2 1:07:49

If you ask a Scientologist how they've improved things, they'll usually talk about anti-drug stuff and other things, but never how the tech improved things. Yeah, really good point. That is exactly that is true.

Speaker 1 1:08:00

Yep, they say we get people off drugs and then you go, like then why are you shutting down all the drug rehab? Is it because they were killing people there? People were dying in that place? Yeah, yep, that's why they don't have Narconons anymore, or very few, okay. Anything else, we got any other good ones here that I missed. Oh, this is a good one, okay, london.

Speaker 2 1:08:21

What happens if you're dyslexic?

Speaker 1 1:08:24

Yeah, nothing different, same old, same old Well no, you're going to read the they're talking to. I think that came when we were doing the M9 portion.

Speaker 2 1:08:31

Oh, yeah, like if you're dyslexic.

Speaker 1 1:08:32

And also, by the way, Tom Cruise claims that he was dyslexic, or he was diagnosed as being dyslexic and so he could never read and he could never learn things. And now he's like I fly planes now and you're like OK, I'm not sure if you left Scientology that your plane flying ability would leave Right?

Speaker 2 1:08:56

Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 1 1:08:56

And also he seems to be on the outside of the planes whenever I see him in the movie. If he's flying them, he should be on the inside. That's where the flying gets done.

Speaker 2 1:09:04

Yeah, might have skipped a step in pilot school Stay in the plane.

Speaker 1 1:09:08

Yeah, don't be climbing on the wing, dude Get in it.

Speaker 2 1:09:10

Yeah, yep, yep. Love and Life. Did you guys ever hear how Miscavige reacted to your both escaping? Oh, to be a fly on that wall, lol.

Speaker 1 1:09:20

Well, she was there when I escaped.

Speaker 2 1:09:32

Yeah, and he was like get him back. Yeah, he was like he blamed it actually on management executives and said that David Miscavige said, after Mark had escaped, that Mark was one of the only people getting his orders done, and to get him back, pronto. That's why I had to kind of put a pause on my escape plans because, you know, if I, if they're bringing him back, as David Miscavige ordered, then of course if I make an escape, then we're going to be passing on the highway and the end result will still be the same We'd never see each other, ever again.

Speaker 1 1:09:55

Yeah, and they did play that. That was the story for a while, like, oh, you got to come back, everything's good. And this is. Davis said this none of this is on you. This is 100% not on you. On you, on me, yes, not on me. It's on these guys that mucked this whole thing up. Yes, even though he's the one that kind of wrote that dispatch to me. That was like what has he been up to? If he has, though, I don't have the submission, even though he did have it, it was just not to him yet. It was like being bounced up between people that were supposed to read bureaucratic nonsense.

Speaker 1 1:10:26

You can read my book if you want to know about all that craziness. Okay, let's do, let's do. Oh, we got to do a giveaway. Yes, it's a giveaway, yes, it's a giveaway. And then we'll do a few last ones. Oh look, salty beach girl laurie caught the end of a live on my birthday, happy birthday. There you go. Happy birthday, there you go. Happy birthday. Happy birthday, yes. Happy birthday, yay.

Speaker 2 1:10:48

Good job, salty, yes, okay, um, there's so many things okay, so we're gonna do a giveaway, and then can we give away. Can we play the um aftermath trailer at the very end? You want to do that?

Speaker 1 1:10:58

sure we can do that, yeah okay, there's 73 people that have commented. Anybody who's commented, you're automatically entered in to the giveaways. We don't have any keywords anymore, it's easier. Just you comment, you, you're in. Um, so I'm gonna draw. We got 73 people that have commented so far in this video and there we go Draw. I hit the button, there it is. Oh, I always liked this Cause. Then you get to see all these the frequent flyers and we get to see anybody. Oh, uh, uh, uh, shannon, did she win?

Speaker 2 1:11:31

before. Yeah, like months and months ago.

Speaker 1 1:11:34

Shannon.

Speaker 2 1:11:39

Congratulations, shannon. Yay, shoot me an email, claire, at blown for goodcom with what you'd like, so good job.

Speaker 1 1:11:44

Congratulations, Shannon.

Speaker 2 1:11:45

Yes.

Speaker 1 1:11:47

They have a lot of merch too. She sends me pictures with with wearing merch, or they've sent me things. Good job, shannon. Okay, okay, let's just see.

Speaker 2 1:11:58

So yes.

Speaker 1 1:11:59

Music from.

Speaker 2 1:12:00

Mars. Recap of oh, music from Mars. How many of those language books have been translated into how many languages? Yeah, I don't know, like Dianetics has been translated the most.

Speaker 1 1:12:12

I think like 50 languages.

Speaker 2 1:12:13

Yeah, something like that A lot.

Speaker 1 1:12:15

Yeah, swahili Urdu.

Speaker 2 1:12:18

Yeah, and ironically we have some great book news coming. I'm not going to spill the beans on it. We'll save those stories for when we do the making of Bloom for Good episode.

Speaker 1 1:12:28

I like beans, don't be spilling any beans, keep them on the plate or the container or whatever they're doing. Okay, what do we want to play? Oh, you want me to play the video.

Q&A and Channel Updates

Speaker 2 1:12:37

Okay, we'll play that, just a reminder to anyone who's joined us late please join us tomorrow over at the Michael J Render Aftermath Foundation YouTube channel where myself and Phil Jones, as our new executive director, will be starting a new series on that channel called the Foundation Feed, where we will be talking about all the many different programs, what the Aftermath Foundation has been working on testimonials, survivor stories, you name it.

Speaker 1 1:13:06

Okay, good, and with that, this is. It's just basically like a little intro to the channel and maybe we'll use it as the intro to videos and stuff like that. Here we go, I like it. There you go. Simple, sweet, simple. It's a. Thank you, mitch and Jeff and everybody who worked on that. We've got all kinds of new good stuff coming up on the Aftermath channel and on the BFG channel. We have some stuff we're going to be cooking up, some new stuff we're going to be cooking up yes, and let's cover one last question here oh my goodness okay uh, katrina.

Speaker 2 1:14:02

I worked at a coffee shop a few miles away from the int base in san jacinto. Scientologists wearing their seorg uniforms would come in. Who is who is allowed to leave the base for shopping like this? Really good question it.

Speaker 1 1:14:15

It is. Yeah, Usually it's going to be people that have jobs that take them off of the property.

Speaker 2 1:14:23

So or or the handful of staff that own cars, which is a very small percentage.

Speaker 1 1:14:29

Yeah, but even I've heard that even those people aren't really allowed to drive around just willy nilly anymore. They have to cause they live on the property now.

Speaker 2 1:14:36

So it's so. It's not really.

Speaker 1 1:14:37

It's changed a lot since, since the 20 years since we escaped but like, even like purchasers that have to go in and buy things from the hardware store or suppliers in town, um, and you bet, if they get off the property they're going to go somewhere and get some food, because the food is not. It's not the the best, it's not horrible all of the time, but it I mean Burger King or Jack in the Box was like a lifeline for many years to be able to get a bacon, western bacon cheese or whatever they have over there Jack in the Box, jack, whatever, I don't even know what they call it anymore.

Speaker 2 1:15:13

My personal favorite was the sourdough breakfast sandwich. Egg rolls, we'd get egg rolls, cheese sticks, onion rings, sourdough breakfast. I mean gosh, when you're starving, when you literally like I. By by the time I we left, I was, I weighed less than a hundred pounds, like 25 pounds less than I weigh right now, and, my goodness, a sourdough breakfast sandwich that would like sustain you for another week.

Speaker 1 1:15:41

It literally was like oh, I'm good to go, I'm power, I'm repowered up for like, another month here.

Speaker 2 1:15:47

It's like Mario mushrooms, um, anyway and, by the way, you reminded me with this question, reminded me of the famous Hillary Desitel, who's the public relations officer for Golden Era Productions. She was another example of someone who would go out to town, for example, like when she went to Walmart to buy Suri Cruz's baby present when Suri had been born.

Speaker 1 1:16:11

That was one of the biggest spy versus spy operations that we ran was we did a cover story in I want to say what. Maybe there was some magazines, but I think it was in like the new york post or something that like on tuesday she's buying stuff for surrey because tom is going to come to the property and surrey's going to come to the property, yeah, and she's buying them. The most famous Scientologist she's going to Wally's and like got to get some toys for that Suri, she's got to get some really high quality items. And then on Wednesday it was in the New York post that she was shopping. What a what an operation.

Speaker 2 1:16:50

And the ultimate irony is the only reason we knew that information is because we were actively working on breaking out a Sea Org member at that time.

Speaker 1 1:16:57

And we had a spy that was going to the property and we'll put a link to that in the description, or maybe I'll make it one of the recommended videos at the end when they come up. And but but yeah, he, our spy, his wife ran into her at the Walmart Right and that's how she was blabbing that she was buying Siri presents. Yep, okay, here's a good one. We could use this. We can send Leah a screenshot of this.

Speaker 2 1:17:28

Heidi question Could you get Leah to do a video for the new channel? Yes, we will absolutely work on that. I'm sure she would love to.

Speaker 1 1:17:36

I don't know if she can do videos in the middle of her lawsuit.

Speaker 2 1:17:39

Yeah, so if anything, she's very, very supportive of the work that we do and we have a lot of upcoming things that um yeah, we can also clip videos that she's done on our channel where she talks about aftermath, and just put them on the channel. Yes, great idea.

Speaker 1 1:17:54

Okay, guys, I think we did it.

Speaker 2 1:17:56

I think we made it to the very end.

Speaker 1 1:17:57

I'm going to try something new I'm going to put. Let's see what happens when I do this. I can put it up on the wind, a window up on the screen. Now they've upgraded the streaming platform so when somebody does a comment it will automatically go up onto the screen. So when I run the outro video, if you guys comment, you'll see there it is. You'll see your comments on the end of the video. It won't be big and across the bottom, but they'll just scroll there. So if you want to guys want to say hi to somebody or you know an ending message or whatever, you can put it in there, um and then um, your comments will be on the video for in perpetuity.

Speaker 2 1:18:39

Yes, so don't forget to join Phil and I tomorrow at 2 PM mountain standard time.

Speaker 1 1:18:45

On Michael J Rinder aftermath foundation YouTube channel and we put a link in our description for the aftermath and we'll put links to everything else we talked about in there too. And then, um, yeah, we'll put a link to that video. So if you want to watch it, um, just go in the description and if this video if you're watching this on a replay, you know, in 2027, the link to the video is going to send you over to the other thing Perfect. Okay, guys.

Speaker 2 1:19:10

Sounds good.

Speaker 1 1:19:11

Till next time.

Speaker 2 1:19:12

Bye.

Speaker 1 1:19:14

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