Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
Marc Headley worked at Scientology’s secret desert compound, which houses all Scientology management, for 15 years. The 500-acre property is located deep in the California desert. The local townspeople were told lectures and films were made there. But is that all that was happening? It is the location of a multi-million dollar home for L. Ron Hubbard, built two decades after his death. It is the home of Scientology’s current leader, David Miscavige. So what really happens at the Int Base? Are the stories on the internet true? How does Scientology conduct management of its day-to-day operations? Could stories of armed guards, weapons, staff beatings, and razor wire fences be true? If so, how could a facility like this exist in modern-day America? Hundreds of staff tried to escape over the years. Some succeeded but were never seen or heard of again, and most failed. Why were people kept here? What really went on at the headquarters of Scientology? This is the story of what happened behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology.
Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
Scientology's Surveillance Machine and other Questions - Scientology Q&A #45
Marc and Claire Headley discuss their upcoming joint podcast interview, their first time sharing their full Scientology experiences together, and answer audience questions about the inner workings of the organization.
• Recently recorded a two-part, 12-hour podcast interview covering both Mark and Claire's escapes from Scientology
• Latest information on Shelly Miscavige shows she was registered to vote at a remote Church of Spiritual Technology location in Petrolia, California
• Office of Special Affairs can track escaping members through airline reservation systems and has intercepted people during escape attempts
• Sea Org food was so bad that sneaking out for Jack in the Box at 3am was considered a major treat
• Religious Technology Center roles included Inspector General positions for Ethics, Admin, and Tech, which have since been eliminated by David Miscavige
• Former members still struggle with habits formed in Scientology, particularly eating quickly and working constantly
• No clear succession plan exists for leadership after David Miscavige, likely creating organizational chaos when he dies
• Scientology claims to accept members of all religions but gradually prohibits any religious practice outside of Scientology
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Hey guys, welcome back to the channel. Welcome to a new episode of Blown for Good Scientology Exposed or Exposing Scientology. Why do I always mix it up?
Speaker 2:It's just one of those days. Happy Sunday, everybody.
Speaker 1:I'm joined today by my lovely wife Claire. There she is.
Speaker 2:Here I am.
Speaker 1:We did a few little tweaks in the studio, so let me know in the comments if you can hear us and see us and all that happy hoo-ha. It appears that people can hear us because they're telling us already where they're watching from Perfect, wildly and quickly.
Speaker 2:Very good. Thank you, folks. We appreciate your participation here at Alone for Good Scientology Exposed.
Speaker 1:Is it Scientology Exposed or is it Exposing Scientology?
Speaker 2:I thought it was Scientology Exposed.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, we'll go with that for now. Um, we do like to do a thing where we find out where everybody's watching from. It gives just a few minutes for people who've got the notification to get off their ass, get to a computer or their phone or whatever they're doing, or if they want to stay on their ass, it's okay too.
Speaker 2:Yeah that's probably a better viewing spot.
Speaker 1:Yes, I see somebody who's like channel name is Scientology exposed. Okay, thank you for telling us.
Speaker 2:Thank you.
Speaker 1:Thank you, trevon, on I don't know why I always get get it mixed up. I think because Mike's channel was called something very similar.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes and I think we had to kind of do something, got our wires crossed, yep anyway.
Speaker 1:So, uh, do you want to give some shout outs to uh, to all those people?
Speaker 2:yes, sir, sherry. Hello to all from moorhead, minnesota, happy to catch another live. Well, we sure do appreciate you being here. Thank you, uh, trevon on. Good evening from the Netherlands. I love our Netherlands friends. Gretchen, philly. Hello from Philadelphia. Mary Kay, london.
Speaker 2:So much going on football on the TV, baseball on the iPad and this on my phone. Talk about multitasking, lol. Hi from Albuquerque, new mexico. Yes, we, we have on our agenda for today to watch the broncos game. Just saying, uh, manon, hi all. Greetings from the netherlands. I'm on the replay crew, spend the weekend with my three-year-old granddaughter, um, so this nana is knackered, knackered. Yeah, there you go, heather, hi, heather. Hi. Mark, hi. Claire Bear, looking forward to this. Love from California. Thank you, heather, appreciate it. Cher. Hello from the Netherlands. Deborah. Good afternoon from Wisconsin Dells. Happy to catch a live. Awesome, we appreciate you being here. Poodlebone, hello from New York City, nice, sarah. Hello from Liverpool, uk. Becky, big brother fan. Good evening from the UK. Yay, uk represent. Valerie. Hi from British Columbia, israel. Hi from Arizona. Carla hi from England, nice, love it. Brian. Hi from Portland, oregon, nice. Lindsay. Hi guys from Kilseth, scotland. Wow, very cool. Not so fast, mark Monica, florida. I would like the volume a little louder, can you?
Speaker 1:turn up your TV or your device. Do we have to turn up our device?
Speaker 2:here I'll turn it up a little bit. Okay, there we go.
Speaker 1:Is that louder?
Speaker 2:Sounds louder to me.
Speaker 1:Okay, we'll do it. Okay, let's do this. I'm up for requests.
Speaker 2:Lindsay, we did that one, we're good. Hi from Scotland, jess. Happy Sunday from Claire's hometown of Manchester, uk. Woohoo, mancunian at heart, nashay. Hello Headleys. Greetings from Philadelphia, watching while I'm sewing a quilt Wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 1:Nice, yes, okay, I think that's good. We've already got 100 people in here. That's my limit, since it goes over 100, I'm like we're good to go.
Speaker 2:Oh hi, Salty Beach Girl Laurie, Good to see you here. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 1:I don't have that. Oh, here we go, there we go.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there we go. Salty Beach Girl Laurie, I made it. I seem to be rewatch crew lately. Hope everyone is doing well. Yes, everyone is doing well. Yes, we're doing well. We're a little the worst for wear this week, but other than that everything's good. Okay, hi from Sweden. Hello.
Speaker 1:Nice, ashley. Hi from West Virginia, love your channel. Well, thank you, okay. Well, today we're going to do something a little different.
Speaker 2:I think you say that every time.
Speaker 1:Well, that's because we're always doing different stuff, I guess, uh, yeah, how about that? Um, we did a here. Let me put this let me see if there's a way I can go to uh, double, double jeopardy here yes, and what walmart does that?
Speaker 2:there we go betsy, sue, hello, thanks for joining us okay, so, um, we traveled this week.
Speaker 1:We were gone for most of the week.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And we did a podcast and I will tell you, I've never been on a podcast like this podcast we were on this week.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:We recorded for two days, for basically two. It'll be a two part podcast.
Speaker 2:It will be. Yes, but it was like 10 AM to 7 PM and then 10 AM to three 30. And then we've we literally left and went straight to the airport. Yeah, it was a lot so we'll put a.
Speaker 1:We'll put a post out on the community tab when that comes out. Yes, it will. I'm almost sure it'll be in two parts and I think they air one part on Monday and then the next part on Wednesday, I think they said. So we'll see how it is, but we'll put that out. But it is the first time that both Claire and I have done a long form interview of our sort of history, our story in Scientology, and then kind of a little bit of the aftermath after we got out.
Speaker 2:And also both of us talking simultaneously.
Speaker 1:Not simultaneously. We took turns. I let her talk once in a while.
Speaker 2:Really yeah, once in a while, as is the modus operandi. Let me get a word in edgewise. No, but my point is it's the. It's the first time we've done us both talking about, respectively, you, you escaping, me escaping, and how, what that all looked like together together, that will actually air. We have done it before, but it never saw the light of day.
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, we did that, we did. We basically did the exact thing we did for ABC Nightline.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And then that show was nuked by ABC when it was almost ready to go. Yeah, but this is probably going to come out.
Speaker 2:We'll see it is going to come out.
Speaker 1:If it comes out, I don't know if it's going to come out this Monday or if it's going to come out next Monday.
Speaker 2:I think it's. We don't know exactly when. We'll let everybody know once it comes out. I'm very excited to see.
Speaker 1:They had recorded other interviews so it was in the pipeline of the other stuff that they have to release. So when it comes out, we'll give you guys a heads up. Yeah, today. So the thing we wanted to do today, we haven't done this.
Speaker 1:I think the last time we did this was in March of this year, where we did just a Q and A, where we just answer people's questions about Scientology.
Speaker 1:So if you have a question that you've been dying for us to answer about Scientology, bleep, bloop it in the comments down there and we're going to have the mods are going to be going through and if there's a good question in there, we'll star it and then we will go ahead and try to answer it as best we can.
Speaker 1:We haven't done these in a long time because we've had so many other things to talk about and do and also, if there's other things that you'd like us to cover, put it in the comments. We did do a lot of Q&As. I think we did almost like over 40 episodes where we just answered people's questions, or we did a regular episode and sometimes we do a little Q& a at the end. We're just going to do a Q and a for this whole episode and, as always, I think I got to put this in there. There we go. If you tell us where you're watching from, not only does it give us a sense of where our viewers and listeners are at, but it also automatically enters you to win a fake Navy, davey doll, okay.
Speaker 2:Coming up on Christmas. It makes for a good theme to just have a little fun with a pretty dark topic, Right?
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. So yeah, I think that's it. If you do have a question, if you just write question and then write it, that way we can pick it out from you. Know, bill from Philadelphia. We can just see oh, question, question, questions makes it a little easier for the mods so they know you've got a question.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Um, so let's put up the first one here.
Speaker 2:Okay, sounds good. Sounds like a plan. Becky, big brother fan Love Good. Sounds like a plan. Becky, big brother fan Love. A Q&A. Remember Mike and Leah's podcast, q&a 2. Always so interesting. Yes, the Fair Game podcast. For anyone watching who hasn't listened to that, it's a great series. I think there was close there's close to 90 episodes if I'm not mistaken All fascinating conversations and I will say from that podcast I I really saw the benefit of having conversations with people from other cult-like or culty organizations. It's always so eyeopening to hear other perspectives and to to draw parallels and so forth. So Awesome.
Speaker 1:Well, here's a good question, good question. It kind of answered the question that was right before it too, about Shelly Yep, so I was just going to put that up Question.
Speaker 2:Any updates on Shelly Miscavige? Nope, not not that we know of.
Speaker 1:I think the last time we talked about Shelly was when we found the the legal record that her voting registration, her driver's license, had been. Was it a voting it?
Speaker 2:was her driver's license, but I think that there's a default in California when you renew your driver's license to register as a voter and unless you uncheck that box it just happens automatically. So she was registered to vote in Petrolia California, which is the Church of Spiritual Technology.
Speaker 1:That's the group or the organization within Scientology that digs giant holes into mountains and puts all of L Ron Hubbard's works onto titanium plates and gold records plates and gold records and then buries them inside the mountain so that, if there is a nuclear war, the only thing that will be left will be the Hubbard all of the technology that L Ron Hubbard wrote.
Speaker 2:Because, of course, if there's a world ending event or any kind of catastrophe, your first priority would be to retain we're going to need to know how to get those touch assist fired up, those funky, weird massages.
Speaker 1:So she was at a location in Big Bear. They have a Church of Spiritual Technology CST location in Big Bear, running Springs. It's near it's Big Bear-ish adjacent, and then, based on this voter registration, updating it showed that she'd been moved to even a more remote CST location and those locations usually only have a handful of people at the most that are stationed at them. And it was her and, I think, two or three other people that all had the same registered voting address that were at that location and I think one of those we didn't even recognize the name.
Speaker 2:No, exactly, and I will say it's debatable if they just took her there to renew her driver's license, knowing that it would become public record, or if she was actually there for some period of time, but given the public attention correctly. So on the question, where is Shelley Miscavige? Thanks to Leah Remini's police report back in what was that? 2013 or 14. Um it, it's not. It's not. Either of those options are a likely scenario. I would say.
Speaker 1:Okay, yep, we have a question.
Speaker 2:All right, we have a question. Let's do this. Oh, ottman question how many reports did the reports officer RTC concern? Rtc is Religious Technology Center, the highest ecclesiastical organization in Scientology, run directly by David Miscavige. Religious Technology Center is the police organization of Scientology, also referred to as the Inspector General Network, and it was Hubbard mandate that in every single organization on the planet there was a reports RTC reports box where people could put in reports, and then later there was an online form for that which has-.
Speaker 1:When you say there's an in every single organization has an RTC reports officer box. It's just like a wood box with a hole in the top of it.
Speaker 2:It's a sealed yeah, it's a locked box because the idea was that somebody anyone in a Scientology organization should be able to report corruption or any kind of other matters of RTC concern without it being intercepted.
Speaker 1:Also, if you're reporting on something that's happening at that organization, you don't want the head of that organization to get your report and then delete it or shred it before it gets to RTC.
Speaker 2:Exactly which has happened. Gosh, now I lost my train of thought.
Speaker 1:So how many did they get? Yes so was there a stat or was there? Do you remember any of that? Wasn't serena mckelvin the reports off for a while and then and then, following her um marina pazotti was the rtc reports officer for a while and then tammy wyckoff.
Speaker 2:Now tammy leak was um the rtTC reports officer for a long time Did Tammy Wyckoff get married to Chris Leak? She did, wow, yeah, right after she escaped and was intercepted and then brought back.
Speaker 1:And also Roanne left as well. Roanne was married to Chris before. That, that's right, and she escaped. Wow, this guy. If you want to escape and you're in the seer at the base, it seems like you need to get married to this kid named Chris leak, because those gals are getting out of there.
Speaker 2:I see what you're saying, I see where you're going with that, but so, yeah, it depends depending on the time. At least in the time I was there, there were reports coming in like hundreds per week and those would all get summarized and copied to David Miscavige, Shelley Miscavige and executives in Religious Technology Center. The RTC reports officer would sometimes respond to those not necessarily always just depending on the topic at hand, but yeah, that's how many were coming in during the time I was there.
Speaker 1:Okay, good.
Speaker 2:All right, jess. Question With so many lawsuits against Scientology, do you think they will have an effect in some way with the ultimate collapse of Scientology? We've always believed that every single lawsuit exposes new information and establishes precedence, and so, like in our lawsuit, certainly it had an effect and just builds on public record. So, yes, I do. You know, I don't know. We've hoped for a long time that significant things would change. It's been a slow roll.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think one of the other things is that Scientology, even though it exposes more things, they're then able to steal themselves against those things While the lawsuit is going on. They undo everything that makes that a reality, that what's being brought up in the lawsuit. They either stop doing it or they do it more discreetly.
Speaker 2:Yes. Or they changed their contracts to um to enforce, for example, quote, unquote, arbitration and all these other things that were were not even a a thing during our lawsuit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly, we didn't have. We did. That wasn't even a that wasn't even an option that was considered in our lawsuit, because their contracts at the time and this is a good point, their contracts at the time were illegal, so they weren't able to enforce illegal contracts. So they modified everyone's contracts and then had everybody re-sign them so that they could be more fluid with the current laws at the time. I like this question. People ask this question all the time, but one of the things we have to sort of assume on YouTube is that some of the people are watching, have never heard the question or never heard the answer, so we'll go ahead and do it.
Speaker 2:All right, cher. Sorry if this question has been asked a million times, that's okay, but do you have any idea who will be the next leader of Scientology when Miscavige dies? Yeah, we were talking about this this past week and Hubbard did not have a clear, documented succession plan, and neither does David Miscavige. Um, it's.
Speaker 1:It's just ironic to me that by the nature of it he, david Miscavige, expects to retain power.
Speaker 1:Forever. The other thing is that you have to understand that David Miscavige is the singular person who knows everything about the Scientology organization because he runs the lawyers directly from Religious Technology Center. He also runs a lot of the Office of Special Affairs activities that's digging up dirt on people. He's the one who oversees that. He oversees all the different silos of Scientology, of the Scientology organization and including all of the different Scientology organizations. Because, ironically, he was put in charge of a project to do a corporate sort out of Scientology so that L Ron Hubbard couldn't be charged or arrested for for his, for his endearment, for elron hubbard's endearment. And so when hub, when hubbard directed muscavige to do that, he basically was doing that full time up until hubbard's death and then when hubbard was gone, he was basically the one holding all the bags that nobody else knew what all these different things were.
Speaker 1:So and then one other point is that he has shit-talked all of the other executives that are that used to run Scientology. He has exposed all of their crimes to all of the other executives. So whenever there's a, he's done this, miscavige has said I want you to tell me who can be in charge of this organization and this organization and in the process of just doing that, not in charge of religious technology center but just within the, it being in charge of lower Scientology management organizations they would always fight over who could do what, because they'd say, well, remember, you did this, so that disqualifies you. And then that person will be like well, you did this, remember when Dave said you did all that, so you can't be in charge. So it's just a weird thing, where none of them are really none of the lower executives that would take over, none of them have enough knowledge or power or sort of immunity to say I'm the one who's going to take over, and it wouldn't just be a total cluster.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so it's definitely safe to say that when David Miscavige dies, it's going to be a complete cluster to see what happens next. So who knows?
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is a good one. I always like food questions.
Speaker 2:Of course you do.
Speaker 1:Yeah, of course I do.
Speaker 2:Question.
Speaker 1:Look at me.
Speaker 2:I didn't mean it that way.
Speaker 1:It wasn't like it wasn't a question.
Speaker 2:Was there ever any food you had during the sea org that actually was healthy tasty?
Speaker 1:You know I did like the fried rice. I'm a big fan of fried rice. Every once in a while they make a decent fried rice. It didn't have a lot of peas and carrots the proportions were off, but it was a tad tasty.
Speaker 2:Okay, I can't say that I have.
Speaker 1:I put the camera on you while I talked, and then, while you talked, I put it on me.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's okay, it happens. I can't say that I have any significant food memories. That's not what stands out.
Speaker 1:I do remember. I do remember one thing that we would get, that was very, very tasty.
Speaker 2:What.
Speaker 1:Jack in the crack.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Completely. If we went to Jack in the box, I would get we'd always get the same thing you would get a breakfast sourdough.
Speaker 2:Sourdough breakfast sandwich.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we would get not onion rings mozzarella sticks. Yeah, and egg rolls and egg rolls, and sometimes, if I was feeling really randy, I'd get myself a double bacon cheese.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, but that was kind of on the down low. We weren't really allowed to do that, but because you had a motorcycle I could zip down there. It was the first restaurant within like 10 minutes of the property that I could jam to go through the drive-thru on my bike and zip back before anybody knew I was gone. Yeah, so when you're operating on very little money per week, you can't afford to go to Jack in the Box very often.
Speaker 1:That's true. That's basically like a month's worth of Sea Org pay to get a good Jack in the Box, but you would always radio me on the Nextel radios at like three in the morning. Yeah, I'm just getting off work. You want something?
Speaker 2:for Jack in the Crack, you know anyway.
Speaker 1:You know the other thing that I used to do and I used to for for I don't know if I've ever told this, I might have, but because I was in charge of a film crew, we would have to go on location and we would do location shoots. So I almost always had a van a golden era productions assigned van to drive. But the only way I could get that is that same van had to be used for a three o'clock run. That would take all of the religious technology staff. It would take them home at three o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1:Yes, 3am, and then I and in order to keep the van, I would have to drive those people home at 3am even though I still had to get up at eight and bring my own crew. I had to take them on a shoot or whatever, but I'd be able to get that van at night. And religious technology center people at the base are the most senior and sort of no-nonsense people at the base and going to Jack in the Box was basically not allowed. It was forbidden, yep, and I would take the RTC staff to Jack in the Box on that 3 o'clock run Like I would basically be like.
Speaker 1:You corruptor, I basically would be like you guys, sure, you just want to go straight home, or maybe we make a pit stop. And most of the time they'd be like let's make a pit stop, mark, and we would just hit that, drive through and uh, and and, and sometimes I'd be like what do you guys want? And then they'd tell me, and then it'd be like what do you want? I'd be like I want this. They'll be like we'll take care of it, and then they get me my stuff and the stuff for Claire and Nothing tastes better than Jack in the box at four o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 2:Let me tell you, even if it's cold when you've been living on Sea Org food it's like the bomb. Yeah so it's uh, it's kind of sad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so the only the only reason I wanted to say that is that gives you a. That gives you a scale of how tasty the Sea Org food was. That Jack in the box is basically the best meal you're going to get in a week, compared to whatever you ate at the property that entire week.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and, and the fried rice did not even touch your current.
Speaker 1:That's true. I have a black stone and I make a mean fried rice, chicken fried rice, fried rice, beef fried rice. I do it Hibachi style.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a hit. It's a hit at our house. Yeah, okay, that's a good question. I like food questions, food-based questions. Okay, we already answered.
Speaker 2:Clara says her fried rice is better than yours.
Speaker 1:I don't know how she can say that, if she hasn't tasted it. Pretty sure she has Vietnamese. I want to say she has Vietnamese heritage, so let's not go like that. Okay, you should have better rice than me. That's how that works. Let's not pretend that you didn't have an unfair advantage, okay.
Speaker 2:Question what was the statistic of IG Ethics RTC and IG Admin RTC? That's a great question.
Speaker 1:So I'm trying to remember, but IG Ethics definitely had to do with Well you have to explain these things Not everybody just grew up was born with Scientology nomenclature programmed into their brain.
Speaker 2:So IG Ethics was Inspector General for Ethics.
Speaker 1:And that post was directly below David Miscavige, correct. There was IG Admin, ig Ethics and IG Tech. And that's gone now, they don't have that anymore. No, and that's gone now, they don't have that anymore. That was when L Ron Hubbard knew about RTC. They had those and the idea was that you'd have these independent people that wouldn't necessarily be able to be compromised by other people and they had their own sort of domain and David Miscavige he absorbed those and he absolved those, and the people that were on those posts will tell them. So chairman of the board religious technology center was David Miscavige.
Speaker 2:Is to this day.
Speaker 1:Well, yeah, but at the time when they had these posts and then below him was IG ethics and that was Marty Rathbun.
Speaker 2:For the most part. At some point it was also Mike Sutter. With the top executive posts they would rotate very frequently and that's fair to say, of any of the posts, so when one person would get put on heavy manual labor as punishment, someone else would step in. But Marty Rathbun was the, I think, the longest tenure on that post.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then IG admin was a gentleman by the name of Mark Yeager. For the longest time he was the commanding officer of the Commodore's messenger organization and that is the. That is basically the management body that is is of getting L Ron Hubbard's orders and his directives done and compl the technical areas of Scientology in the Commodores Messenger organization under the post of Senior Case Supervisor INT. And then he became IG Tech. Mark Yeager became IG Admin and Marty was IG Ethics.
Speaker 2:And then I want to say in the late 2000s maybe, or the mid-90s, mid-90s, late mid-90s, late 90s- yeah, because by the time I was moved into Religious Technology Center, Mark Yeager was now the head of the management organization and Ray Madoff was in charge of tech at that level. They were no longer in religious technologies that are.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so to get back to the statistics, yeah, so IG ethics had to do so.
Speaker 2:There was an ethics statistic called situations found and handled and so it was a cumulative of those that statistic and a situation would be any like non-optimum situation. So, for example, a lawsuit against Scientology is a situation and I mean you can't really say it's found. It's more like served, but handled is means it's shut down and concluded, but handled is means it's shut down and concluded. So that was IG ethics had to do with situations found and handled for all of Scientology and situations that were such that it would impact, for example, Scientology's nonprofit status or things of that level.
Speaker 1:Was that reports off? Was the reports off under IG Ethics at that time?
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Okay, so that would make sense. So they get a report in and then, if it's nothing, they just go whatever. But if it's something, they got to find out what exactly is going on and then handle it.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Yes, okay. And then IG admin had to do with the number of executives who were what's called permanently posted. That means that they've done their full hat, they've studied all policies relating to their position, they've they're successfully performing the duties of that post and they've received false purpose rundown, which is to remove, find and hand, find and remove any evil purposes towards scientology and david miscavige yes, that's right.
Speaker 2:Um, so it had to do with, essentially, the structure and performance of scientology is what measured religious technology center Center, For example. Religious Technology Center also had a statistic that was called value of services delivered for advanced levels. Because Scientology owns or sorry, Religious Technology Center owns the licensing rights of the upper operating thetan levels of Scientology. So therefore, anytime somebody gets through the upper levels, Scientology again I keep saying Scientology instead of Religious Technology Center. Religious Technology Center gets money from that. Okay.
Speaker 1:Well, I guess the answer is none of us were those posts. So most of the time, unless you were doing the post, you're not necessarily going to remember what the statistics of another post are. I do know that when I was in manufacturing and I was checking the quality control of the cassettes coming off the line, those giant reels of tape were called pancakes and I was the pancake quality control. So my statistic was number of pancakes checked and passed. So yeah, I know what a good pancake is like. It's basically the morals.
Speaker 2:I'll never forget, though, one of the rare times we visited my mother, who did not even know physically where we worked, and it was like when you were first meeting her for the first time, and she was like, oh, what's your post? And you said pancake QC. And she was like, wow, they monitor the quality of pancakes, as in breakfast pancakes.
Speaker 1:And I'm like damn straight Skippy. That's why I'm doing so well.
Speaker 2:It's funny to me that that kind of illustrates perfectly how clueless she was on the lives we were living. I don't know. Yeah, it's just crazy.
Speaker 1:This is a good question and we did talk about this in length on this interview that we did.
Speaker 2:Yes, jess. Question Do you think Miscavige actually believes in Scientology, hubbard, or just likes the power he gets from being COB chairman of the board? Yeah, my answer to that is that I truly do not. I think that Miscavige's entire drive is by the power that he wields over people and over the money and everything else, because and again, we're saying this based on my personal experiences and observations Like a hardcore Scientologist, I think it's fair to say studies Scientology 12 and a half hours a week, goes in session, meaning getting counseling of Scientology and is constantly moving through the levels and doing what they're supposed to do. David Miscavige hadn't received counseling since 1993.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, I'd agree. I'd also say that, while that is true and I think that's pretty accurate, I would also say that I think hubbard really did come to believe in space cooties, the body thetans and all that because at the end of his life he was trying to get them to hook a meter up to high voltage so that they could he could zap body thetans that hubbard this is Hubbard that he still thought were he couldn't get rid of- yeah, Though I would argue that didn't have to have to do with belief so much as I had to do with psychosis, because also you know there were anyway.
Speaker 2:he was engaging in things that no, no Scientology person would be allowed to engage in, with drugs and other things.
Speaker 1:He was also writing space porn for the last few years of his life.
Speaker 2:So I think that's where I say I don't know. I don't necessarily know that it had to do with Hubbard's belief. So much as you know. You know, yes, I think that was an element of it. But also, a lot of psychosis and paranoia does a lot to pervert a person's mind.
Speaker 1:Good.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay, here we go.
Speaker 2:All right, linda. Hello at blown for good. Scientology exposed. So what was the first food treat when you blew, mark and Claire?
Speaker 1:Did we go to Denny's? We did, I think we went to Denny's and again we talked about this in the podcast.
Speaker 2:We just did so. You know Mark picked me up from the bus station after a very epic escape with his help that I couldn't have done it without Mark and you know it was like yay, we're free and it's like okay, want to go to Denny's, we have some things to talk about.
Speaker 1:Like yeah, you left me behind claire hadn't eaten for like almost two days at this point I was.
Speaker 2:I was in bad shape, so, yeah, that denny's was um that wasn't really a food treat.
Speaker 1:It was just food which was a treat. Yeah, it was just any food.
Speaker 2:We didn't really have a high bar at that point it was just the fact that we're allowed to go to a restaurant or not even allowed. It didn't even matter at that point. It was the first free choice we were making.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to think, I don't know, that we've been to a Denny's.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we have.
Speaker 1:Since then.
Speaker 2:We have. Yeah, we have. Yeah, not very often. Yeah, we have.
Speaker 1:Yeah, denny's is not my favorite but if we're on a road trip and there's a. Denny's or if you know it's just like 3 am Like Denny's will work or IHOP or whatever.
Speaker 2:But we haven't been to.
Speaker 1:Jack in the Box a lot, that's for sure.
Speaker 2:Well, no, because I got food poisoning from Jack in the Box when I was pregnant with our second son and that did it for me no more. Our second son, and that did it for me no more. Um, I have not eaten it since. It was miserable. But I will say that the first memorable meal that that when we got out, was um, because we were living with mark's dad for the first two or three weeks until we got our own apartment and we went with bernie and his wife at the time and your aunt and we went to I think it was an Olive Garden.
Speaker 1:No, it was Marie Callender's.
Speaker 2:Marie Callender's, are you sure? No, it was an Italian restaurant, macaroni Grill or something like that, something like that. Yeah, either way, it was an Italian restaurant and it was the first time that we were going out for dinner with other people and we ordered our food we literally inhaled engulfed it engulfed it yeah, like we did not know how to you know eat normally.
Speaker 1:Oh, it was we were just a vacuum, a human vacuum cleaner inhaling food.
Speaker 2:It was more like a human vacuum cleaner inhaling food.
Speaker 1:I think it was because there were years where we basically had 15-minute meal breaks. Yeah, and even if you didn't have a 15-minute meal break because we worked on a giant property, you weren't really allowed to go to the meal before the meal. You had to the meal included travel time. You had to the meal included travel time. So, even if you had a half an hour by the time you got there, you only had 10 or 15 minutes left, and then you have to bush your table, and so you would eat, like in five or 10 minutes you would basically eat an entire plate of food, bush your table and then get back out to muster and so it's just a thing where years of that.
Speaker 1:You just that's how you eat. You just gobble. It's like a dog. When you give a dog a bowl of food and you make so they even have these, these dishes now where they're kind of grooved so they have to kind of work to get the food so they can't just inhale it. Yeah, that's what seer members some seer members need after they leave. They need a dish that the food is like it's not easy to to eat.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and there's another piece we haven't talked about. Becky, big brother fan, just commented on this too, and I was going to bring this up. Not only does your 30 minute meal break if you have 30 minutes, like Mark said, oftentimes it would be cut to 15 minutes Not only does that include travel time, but also many members of the C organization smoke cigarettes, and that's also the time that they were allowed to smoke cigarettes.
Speaker 1:Well it was. You could smoke a cigarette if you were on the way back to your workspace too, but after a meal is a common cigarette break time, so you eat for two minutes and then you smoke for five minutes and then you go to mustard.
Speaker 2:It's all about prioritizing what matters. Yes, I did see another good question in minutes and then you go to mustard.
Speaker 1:It's all about prioritizing what matters. Yes, I did see another good question in here and then I had to go fold that up.
Speaker 2:Oh well, while you find that just a reminder, this stream will redirect when we end to the Michael J Render Aftermath Foundation YouTube channel. We hope you will join us there. We'll be having Phil Jones and I will be having a very interesting conversation with Ian Rafalko. I'm looking forward to that, and that will start in 20 minutes.
Speaker 1:Awesome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, all right. Question Can Office of Special Affairs surveil members travel and how do they do it? Very definitely yes, they absolutely can.
Speaker 1:We did talk about this as well, and there is a document I'll see if I can find it, but I've seen it on the intern webs before which. It was a document that was circulated within the Office of Special Affairs. That's Scientology's Dirty Tricks Department. Their predecessor, or the name that they had before they had the Office of Special Affairs, was the Guardian's Office and they were convicted of perpetrating the largest infiltration into the United States government in its history. And what they had, the Office of Special Affairs had a list of all of the major airlines and what the frequent flyer toll-free number was, frequent flyer toll-free number was.
Speaker 1:And they had instructions of exactly how to find out if somebody had booked a flight or if there was somebody who had escaped or whatever. And they would say, hey, listen, I don't have my number, but this is who I am, this is my social or any details is my address? And then I just want to know if my last flight is going to credit into my frequent flyer miles. And then they would tell you oh, yes, thank you, mr Smith, the last flight you have was booked from Los Angeles to Denver and you have been credited with that flight. And then they hang up and they're like, okay, smith's on the way to Denver, credited with that flight. And then they hang up and they're like, okay, smith's on the way to Denver.
Speaker 1:And then they know and they know which flight it is and everything. Now they have, there's a Sea Org member at the international headquarters. This used to be done by a gentleman named William Delderfield, who was a young kid who had grown up at the ranch or in the Sea Org.
Speaker 2:Cadet Org. He was born into the sea organization. He's the son of ken deldafield. Rest in peace and denise delda and denise yes and lost had, who had been in the sea organization for decades and worked with hubbard and everything else yeah, yeah, and so he was the.
Speaker 1:I think it was called the Travel Reservations in Charge or something I can't remember.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1:Travel IC or something like that.
Speaker 2:Something like that.
Speaker 1:And he had because Scientology booked so many flights. They used to actually go through a travel agent which was it was called Magic Travel. I don't remember the gal's name, I think it was like Leanne or Denise or something and it was this woman who ran this travel agent. She did all of Scientology's travel, flights and bookings and everything. And then eventually Scientology just became their own travel agent and they got access to every major airline ticketing system and when you're in the ticketing system you can't really see all of the full names.
Speaker 1:But if you know the name you're looking for, it's very easy because they just have the first initial and then, I think, like the three letters of the last name, something like that. And it's very easy, if you know who you're looking for, to be able to find them on the flight and then you can move seats. They used to be able to do this. They used to either be able to move seats or delay you like bump you to another flight, especially if you didn't have a travel agent. It would be like, oh, they're travel agents moving the flight and they could also just see if you'd booked a flight and if somebody escaped they'd be like, okay, where do they? They'd go through your life history and see okay, he's got family in Kansas City, denver, los Angeles, so he's not going to fly to Los Angeles, so it's either Denver or Kansas City. Okay, good, let's see what flights there are to Denver or Kansas City. United Delta American up.
Speaker 2:He's on a United flight. Check those flights for said last name and information. He's on a United flight. Check those flights for said last name and information. And yes, we, I mean we have seen it many times that they'll interfere with especially travel plans for somebody in the process of escaping, and so for example, they bumped someone off a flight and had that person's mother fly to where that person was on a layover to intercept them.
Speaker 1:So yeah, yeah, like this person escaped from Clearwater was on a flight. They had a connecting flight and when they got to their connecting airport their next leg was canceled or they got bumped somehow.
Speaker 2:They'd been moved to standby. They'd been moved to standby.
Speaker 1:They'd been moved to standby and they didn't get on the flight. And then, while they're waiting to get on another flight, that person's mother, who works in Los Angeles, is magically at the airport.
Speaker 2:Shows up in Texas.
Speaker 1:There's no way you can do that unless you have those abilities to see where they're going.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and to be able to move them to standby so they miss the flight and then put them onto another Nevada bus station. There were already five to six staff members waiting there, knowing that I was getting off that bus and, like, as I stepped off the bus, I hadn't even walked into the bus station and boom, they're standing right there to to take me back.
Speaker 1:So you know yeah, their trickery knows no bounds.
Speaker 2:Right, okay, question Someone could be Jewish and a Scientologist? Yes, since it is an ethnicity as well as a religion. So my answer to that is Scientology always says oh, we accept people of all religions and all beliefs, but they accept them. But that doesn't mean it's allowed to stay that way. And that's.
Speaker 1:That's a good way to put that, because they will say um oh, you can be of any religion and be in scientology. Scientology is an applied religious philosophy. You don't have to, not do, but as you stay inology, you very quickly find out that you can be of Jewish heritage, but you ain't doing any, you ain't getting up to no Jewish religious items. You're going to be doing Scientology and that's it. And if you do another religion or philosophy or any of that, in Scientology it's called squirreling and they define it as mixing practices and it's actually I think it's either a misdemeanor or a high crime mixing practices, yeah, and so in Scientology there's a lot of emphasis on suppressive persons, which is the two and a half percent of the population who are antisocial personalities, but also potential trouble sources.
Speaker 2:And there are potential trouble sources A to J, which includes mixing practices as one of those forms of potential trouble source, and also open-minded meaning oh, I'm just here to try this out. That's another form of potential trouble source.
Speaker 1:They don't want you trying it out. You're either doing it or you ain't doing it? Yes, exactly so good, that was a good question. It was a good answer. Thank you for that. Nashay's an extraordinary machine. Okay, let's see. Oh, here we go, here you go.
Speaker 2:Matt Denny in the house question how long did it take to break some of the habits you learned whilst in like eating quickly, for example? Yeah, that's a great question. Some of that is still a work in progress.
Speaker 1:I think it's fair to say yeah, I think we do take a little bit more time to eat. I don't think we're not going crazy. No, I mean we still eat pretty fast for regular folk.
Speaker 2:We're not slow eaters, no, Like when we go for our anniversary dinner. It's not a long affair, let's say. But you know we were very deliberate about trying to take time to adjust. We were talking about this on the podcast. We just did like the first. I remember the first few days like just being like I get off work at 4 PM, like now what there's like eight hours until midnight, like what do I do?
Speaker 1:You know it's, it's uh that is another thing I would say is not working all the time is a hard, hard habit to break, because you're used to. You're basically being used to being measured by your productivity and if you don't produce, then you're basically kind of like a lazy person.
Speaker 2:So you and you have to always be doing something productive and working towards. You know like it's not acceptable to just sit and read a book or sit and watch a movie or sit and play a video game, like that's not a thing for a member of the C organization.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you wouldn't be. I mean even. Yeah, I think even now I have to be like I had to. I used to have my office at the house and I had to move my office to my shop and kind of undo any office I had at the house so that I wouldn't work at the house just all day and all night. I would have to travel to my warehouse or my shop work during the day and then leave that and then come home.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I still have my desk in our house, my office in our house. So all the time on the weekend, mark will be like where are you at? I'll be like I'm at my desk. What you doing?
Speaker 1:Just doing some email, yeah, and I have to be like it's Sunday. Get out of there.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Stop working. Yeah, no, it is a. That is still a work in progress. I think the eating we're fine. We do eat fast, but not one minute that was. It was literally like if you just had a trough and you just dump the plate. That's how it was in the Sea Org. You just shovel your food in as like you would. I would eat with a big spoon most of the time, just so I could shovel the food in. Okay, good jobs, good jobs. Okay, it's let's do. I think we should do giveaways now.
Speaker 1:Okay, good idea, and then if we have a little bit of time, maybe we'll do another question, but before I have to teleport all we're trying to my office, speaking of which these Davy dolls, these Davy dolls, this is the big push right now.
Speaker 1:Davy dolls, everybody needs a Davy doll. If you don't need one, your dog or your cat would love one. We like to put these in a gallon lock, a gallon Ziploc bag with, you know, maybe a teaspoon or maybe a tablespoon, if you're feeling really randy of catnip, and you just let him kind of marinate in that overnight and then you give that to your cats and they will love you forever, if they don't already, and they will also love davey forever. We do have some video, I think, of our cats just attacking davey little davey
Speaker 2:doll just we can share one of those videos, yeah, one of One of these days. It's pretty comical.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, let's see Can I do this. Let's see if I can click this button. Oh, double Claire's. There we go.
Speaker 2:All right.
Speaker 1:Okay. So so far we've got 95 entries, so hopefully you guys can see that up there I'm going to do the big old draw here. Okay, listen, if I win, or Claire wins, or one of the mods win, that's not us, that's StreamYard, and it just picks from the comments randomly. Okay, I'm just saying that because we have had a lot of inside man winners lately. Okay, here we go See. If you don't see your name flash by then, that means you haven't commented. Okay, oopsie, catherine Olsen also won the other week too. Rebecca B in the house. Okay, rebecca, you know what to do. You can email Claire at Claire at Blown for Good.
Speaker 2:Yep and send me your address.
Speaker 1:And then she is going to send you your own fake Navy Davy doll.
Speaker 2:Yes, there we go.
Speaker 1:Oh, we should say what we're going to do. That's a good point. So we did the winner we did it, we're good. Okay now.
Speaker 2:Congratulations, Rebecca B.
Speaker 1:We've got this here, skadoosh. Look at that, the fake Navy Davy doll photo contest.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:We are going to have you guys take pictures of your fake Navy doll if you want. It's just a game. There's no, no one's going to get punished if you don't do it.
Speaker 2:Nope.
Speaker 1:But if you do do it, you could win a prize.
Speaker 2:No, fake Navy Davies will be harmed.
Speaker 1:Okay, so this is how we're going to do this. We're going to have three winners at the end of each month. Okay, so you send us your photos. You go to blownforgoodcom, the contact us page. There's a way you can submit an image and you can write a little blurb and say who you are and maybe what the situation of this photo is that you've taken, and it just basically just needs to have this little guy in it. If it's on top of the Empire State Building, well that's pretty cool. If it's in Australia with an oceanfront view of the harbor also very cool.
Speaker 2:We have found that, contrary to Scientology's statements, these little fellas tend to you know.
Speaker 1:They bring joy and happiness.
Speaker 2:They bring joy and comedy, not alarm and distress. Yeah, joy and happiness is what we're into In fact, the last person we gave one of these two was just enamored, like he really was.
Speaker 1:Actually I was kind of surprised because you know, some people could be a little sensitive about this little navy davy doll fake navy doll but um, yeah, I kind of like it on said extra points for fake navy davy at the local scientology org.
Speaker 2:That I completely agree with because it never I always appreciate seeing how empty the Scientology organizations are. I'm all for not having new people dragged into that dangerous organization, while our focus is getting people out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know it's just all of that. So we're going to have three winners every month. Yeah, you know, it's just all of that. So we're going to have three winners every month.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:Three winners every month. We're going to have fan favorite. So if you post it on X and you get a thousand likes and four comments and the next fan favorite gets 800, the thousand one wins. So the more people you can share it to and get it liked by, that is what we're going to consider the fan favorite of that month.
Speaker 2:Yeah, here I put up this comment from Clara. I helped design these, so you should know it was designed with intentionality and attention to dead eyes. I mean details, exactly. Well said.
Speaker 1:So there's going to be the fan favorite, which is really going to be determined by the, by the statistics of how many times it's been shared, yep. And then there's going to be Claire's favorite photo and there's going to be my favorite photo and the first podcast that happens in the new month. So let's say, for September, we're going to get all these photos in. People are going to send us screenshots. Look my thing, got a thousand retweets or whatever, or this or that or the other thing, or shares or likes or whatever the metrics are. And then we're going to have Claire's favorite and my favorite favorite and we're going to announce those in the podcast or the video. That's the first one of the next month, so that would be October's after September.
Speaker 2:Yep. So Sunday, october 5th, is when we'll announce this first round.
Speaker 1:Awesome, okay, and then what do you get? Oh, what do you? What do they look like? These are ones. We did this with the bobbleheads Mike, mike Rinder's bobblehead. It was very popular and we got a lot. I mean, we got hundreds and hundreds of photos sent in and there was some shoops as well.
Speaker 1:I'm a big fan of shoops. That's when you Photoshop something to be silly. Now, with AI, shoops are just out of control. So if you've got a good shoop that could go, you could submit Shoop's or or AI generated stuff. Oh, Claire's just like decided that she's gone. Okay, Bye, Claire, she's got to go to do the other thing, the prizes you're going to.
Speaker 1:You can win a Mike Rinder or a Leah bobblehead, one or the other. We I was saying in an episode we might do the signed ones. The signed ones are really for fundraising and we kind of got them from the. They have a signed headshot. The Leah one has just Leah's signed headshot and the Mike has just Mike's signed headshot. But there is like a deluxe package that supports these all support the Aftermath Foundation and the spshopcom package that supports these all support the aftermath foundation and the sp shopcom. But, um, then there's one with Mike and Leah that they've both in the headshot and they've both signed it and it's a Mike bobblehead and a Leah bobblehead. So that's like the deluxe package. So we're going to save those for the fundraising. So you can just win the bobblehead on its own. Um, you can pick. If you want the Leah one, or if you want the Mike one, or if you just want more Davy dolls, we'll send you more Davy dolls as well.
Speaker 1:Submit photos, go to blownforgoodcom slash, contact us and you can tag us on at blown for good on X so we can see it, because we'll retweet it too. If we see it and if you get, if you tag us and we're able to see it, that might help your chances of being the fan favorite. You know what I mean? Awesome. Well, that's going to do it for today, guys, If you stick around, you'll go right into the Foundation feed number seven. They're going to be doing an interview today and, yeah, hopefully we got to enough questions and you guys like this and let us know in the comments if you want us to do more Q&As or you want us to do David Miscavige stories or what do you want. We're watching, we're looking at the comments and we try to pay attention to that stuff. Thanks, guys. We'll see you next week. Until next time, Thanks for watching.
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