Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
Marc Headley worked at Scientology’s secret desert compound, which houses all Scientology management, for 15 years. The 500-acre property is located deep in the California desert. The local townspeople were told lectures and films were made there. But is that all that was happening? It is the location of a multi-million dollar home for L. Ron Hubbard, built two decades after his death. It is the home of Scientology’s current leader, David Miscavige. So what really happens at the Int Base? Are the stories on the internet true? How does Scientology conduct management of its day-to-day operations? Could stories of armed guards, weapons, staff beatings, and razor wire fences be true? If so, how could a facility like this exist in modern-day America? Hundreds of staff tried to escape over the years. Some succeeded but were never seen or heard of again, and most failed. Why were people kept here? What really went on at the headquarters of Scientology? This is the story of what happened behind the Iron Curtain of Scientology.
Blown for Good: Scientology Exposed
Scientology's Brutal Leader: Personal Encounters with David Miscavige - Scientology Secrets #13
The curtain is pulled back on Scientology's enigmatic leader as Marc and Claire Headley share firsthand accounts of David Miscavige from their combined 30+ years inside the organization's headquarters. Their candid stories reveal a man obsessed with control, prone to humiliating outbursts, and increasingly paranoid about those around him.
From bizarre personal encounters (like Miscavige mocking Marc about a Depeche Mode singer's suicide attempt) to shocking revelations about his daily routine, the Headleys paint a vivid picture of what happens when absolute power corrupts absolutely. Miscavige emerges as a micromanager who demands compliance reports for even the smallest tasks—like placing rubber mats under urinals—while simultaneously keeping his inner circle small and suspicious of everyone else.
The conversation takes particularly illuminating turns when discussing Miscavige's unusual relationship with Tom Cruise. According to widespread reports, Scientology's leader accompanied Cruise and Katie Holmes on their honeymoon, raising eyebrows about the nature of celebrity treatment within the organization. The Headleys also detail how Miscavige lost $30 million of L. Ron Hubbard's money in bad investments, including fake oil wells and bogus treasure hunting schemes, yet managed to blame others for these financial disasters.
Perhaps most disturbing are the accounts of physical and emotional abuse. Claire recounts being forced to drag Miscavige across a room while he held onto her clothing, telling her and other executives they were his "ball and chain." These personal stories provide crucial context for understanding how Scientology operates under his leadership and why former members continue speaking out despite the organization's reputation for aggressive retaliation against critics.
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Hey guys, welcome back to the channel. Welcome to another episode of Blown for Good Scientology Exposed. Is it Scientology?
Speaker 2:Exposed. We go through this every week.
Speaker 1:I'm joined here today by my lovely wife Claire.
Speaker 2:Hey, hey, hey, everybody, Good to see you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we've got a fun episode for you guys today. We're going to talk about the leader of Scientology, david Miscavige. The leader of Scientology, david Miscavige, and we're going to tell you personal stories about maybe things we witnessed in private with him, or maybe things we witnessed in public with him, or even things that we witnessed while we were in meetings or just in our day-to-day lives and working at the international headquarters of Scientology in Gilman Hot Springs, california, and I just wanted to bring up a picture of good old Davey just to let's see, do we have it here? There we go? Oops, that's what David Miscavige looks like right there. For anybody who is wondering if this picture is Photoshopped, this is not a Photoshopped picture. This is an actual picture that Scientology published of David Miscavige in a magazine or some sort of thing, and you can see that he's got quite the Sea Orgorg uh campaign ribbon collection going there he sure does, like I think they should.
Speaker 2:It should be going further down, but every one of those is a mission campaign bar that's right, so it's for various different things. And then I think he also has the star which was like awarded only by elrond personalation or a very well done from the Commodore. Yes, that's right. He's one of the only Sea Org members that have that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and there's actually a Sea Org issue. Maybe it's on the interweb somewhere. I've seen it. Obviously, I saw it when I was in the Sea Org. But it actually explains what every single one of those ribbons is. And, to be honest, david Miscavige could very likely claim to have double this amount of ribbons, because these are only like building the winter headquarters, building the summer headquarters for Scientology, building Golden Air Productions, building the L Ron Hubbard Music Studio, building all the manufacturing lines at Golden Air Productions All these different things equal a Sea Org accomplishment that you've got. And all Sea Org members in the early days, probably up until the 2000s, were encouraged to wear these when we had like a special ceremonial where we would wear our whites. Those were our spiffy Sea Org duds.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, before we get into our talk for today, should we give a few shout outs to the people joining us.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, we can do that, we can do that. I forgot. Some people don't like it when we spend the whole first five minutes of the video saying where everybody's coming from.
Speaker 2:I know there's just a reason we do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we like to acknowledge the community.
Speaker 2:And also just let people show up. You know it is a Sunday.
Speaker 1:That is true, we're not slave drivers. Okay, here Let me put us up into there we go there, we go there we go and then you can read these things. Why do you look darker? For some reason.
Speaker 2:I don't know.
Speaker 1:I don't know either. Hold on a second. Let me do something.
Speaker 2:While you mess with that here, I'll put this up. There you go.
Speaker 1:Oh no, I can't do everything at once.
Speaker 2:Yeah, doodle Dom. Hello from Cologne, germany. There you go.
Speaker 1:I don't know how to do this. While I'm in it, let me see. Here we go. Let's see, does this make you? Nope, I'm brightening up another camera somewhere here. Let's just see this for a second. Okay, there we go. Now I know what to do.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm in Double player.
Speaker 1:Replicate. There we go. That's a little up, okay.
Speaker 2:Okay, amy, I should be prepping for work, but here I am. Yay, cher, hello from the Netherlands. We love our Netherlands people. Mary Kay London, hi from Albuquerque, new Mexico.
Speaker 1:We got London from New Mexico and then we got Cupcake from London.
Speaker 2:There you go, Love Food Kitchen. Look at the ribbons on that uniform. I bet there's one for best sweater in the Sea Org no swearer. Oh, swearer, yes.
Speaker 1:Sweater would be good too, because in that we Stand Tall video he's wearing that Hermes Funkadelic sweater.
Speaker 2:Yeah, swearer, for sure he is definitely, and I missed the other part, but that's okay. Definitely he's a sweater, for sure he is definitely, and I missed the other part, but that's okay, definitely highest hair on TGX. Most sounds like he has an entire mouthful of marbles when speaking. All right, good evening all from Nova Scotia. Hi, caitlin, becky, big brother fan Reading, berkshire, nice. Jennifer from Mississippi, thomas from Rendsburg, germany. Awesome. Hello from Washington, code Monkey. Hello from the Shadow, the Ventura Ideal Org. Ali good evening or Al. Good evening from England.
Speaker 1:It's Ali.
Speaker 2:Oh, it is Okay. My contacts are a little blurry today. Christopher hi from Los Feliz.
Speaker 1:Los Feliz, that's in California, right near the Celebrity Center.
Speaker 2:That's where Mary Sue Hubbard lived until she passed.
Speaker 1:That's right.
Speaker 2:In banishment Grace Case. Hello from Austin, texas, first time making it live. Yay, jack Shaw. Hello from Austin, texas, first time making it live. Yay, Jack Shaw. Howdy from Henderson, nevada, zenuwight. Good afternoon from Austin, texas. Awesome. Hi guys and gals from Reading, UK, petrina Manon, netherlands, rl, finally catching a BFG live stream from here in Seattle. Awesome, thanks for joining us. Chaotic Canuck. Hello from Canuck. Hello from Ontario, canada. Rose. Hello from the Willamette Valley.
Speaker 1:Willametta.
Speaker 2:Willamette.
Speaker 1:Willamette.
Speaker 2:Dave Miscavige, SP, Hi from Santa Barbara California. Boomaskatchewan, saskatchewan yeah, there you go, joseph hi from speedway, indiana awesome, I was just in indiana recently.
Speaker 1:Yep, um, okay, so are we good, we're gonna. Can we talk about david davy? Can we talk about Davey? Can we talk about one?
Speaker 2:other thing first.
Speaker 1:Oh sure.
Speaker 2:So we mentioned last week that we did another podcast on another channel and we will post this on the community page, but part one is coming out tomorrow.
Speaker 1:Monday.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Monday, yes, tomorrow Monday.
Speaker 1:Monday tomorrow. We'll put a link to it on the community page, and it's good. It's good, we'll put a link to it on the community page, and it's good, it's good. You'll like it.
Speaker 2:It'll be great, definitely one of the longest we've ever done, if not the longest. Okay, what are we doing now?
Speaker 1:Okay, so let's see if we can put you back. Put us back. What do I do here? Oh my goodness, babe, there we go.
Speaker 2:There we go, there we go.
Speaker 1:There we go. She's so many fancy things now I'm trying to think why it goes dark on her for some reason like that. We'll never know. Okay, so, yes, let's show Davey here. So this is David Miscavige. Oh man, I see, it's that one I wanted. This is a picture of him that Scientology released, and he is David Miscavige is chairman of the Board Religious Technology Center, which is the highest organization in all of Scientology that controls everything. And David Miscavige is also the captain of the Sea Organization yes, which he is also the captain of the Sea Organization.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Which he is also the leader of the Sea Organization.
Speaker 2:Correct.
Speaker 1:And he doesn't like people to know this more recently.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:He doesn't like people to know that he's a captain in the Sea Organization the fake Navy. The Scientology's fake Navy. They wear naval uniforms. The Scientology's fake Navy. They wear naval uniforms. They have naval ranks and ratings, birthing, chow hall, midnight rations, everything that Hubbard could steal from the Navy. He introduced that and made that part of the sea organization.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:And, like I said, just so you know this is not Photoshopped you can see those are the bars he has when he's wearing his whites, but when he wears his blues he has a slightly different suit up, but he still has the star, but because his lapel, or whatever that is, covers it, he puts it on the other side. I think let's see, does he have it like that in the other one too? Maybe he does. Oh, that's an RTC thing, the one over there. That's the RTC.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah, the RTC pen.
Speaker 1:Pen. So maybe he just puts the star above that and he puts the star on the other side. Maybe he's been commended by L Ron Hubbard more than once, so he can rock as many stars as he wants. Yep, rock as many stars as he wants.
Speaker 1:Yep, anyway, and then, just so because you guys already saw it, I messed it up and I had it up there still from when I was laughing at it before we started. That is, I mean, our little fake Navy. Davey doll, don't forget, you're going to get these on the spshopcom. These go to support the aftermath, helping people escape Scientology. Get their feet back on the ground. And Clara.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm going to pull this up. Clara says I made the colors on the Davey Navy doll uniforms match as closely as I possibly could. Lol. Yes, clara, you're amazing.
Speaker 1:I mean, even the campaign bars are different colors. I mean that's some detail there. Folks Look at that. But you know what? The real fake Navy Davey? He doesn't have Velcro hands. I don't know if you know that, but this guy See, look A little AMSR for you guys. A little fake Navy Davey, Fake Navy grabbers, those are his grabbers. So the real David Miscavige doesn't have that. He can't grab onto things like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, he also doesn't have the decorative hat, so we took some artistic license with that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and this guy's got a good star collar. You see, that little kind of elf thing he's rocking. I don't even know why they did it like that. Is that the way they are? Is that the way the elf on the shelves have something like that?
Speaker 2:too. They have that collar thingy.
Speaker 1:Oh, Is that the way? The Elf on the Shelves have something like that too. They have that collar thingy. Oh, so they have matching collars, him and the Elf on the Shelf. Mm-hmm, so that's another selling point. Guys Didn't even know it, but I'm a poet and I'd love to show it right here.
Speaker 2:When we first came out with these we were joking because our kids they really got into elf in the shelf, much to our chagrin. It was very stressful because the days that we would forget to move the elf then like it was like oh he, he, maybe he got touched by accident or the dog licked him and now he needs a cinnamon sugar bath to restore his magical powers yeah, there's all sorts of.
Speaker 1:So then, magic, a lot of magic surrounding these elves.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but when we came out with the Davy elves we're like maybe if they're misbehaving, the elf won't come back, but Davy will.
Speaker 1:No, but I also think you're not supposed. Humans aren't supposed to touch the elves on the shelves because they have magic and you don't want them to lose their magic. If you touch them, they lose their magic. If you touch them, they lose their magic. Davy has no magic no, he has no magic, he's just he's. His magic is creating smiles that's what his magic is and um and make and spreading happiness.
Speaker 1:But he is a mischievous little doll yep okay um should we tell some Davey, fake Navy Davey stories? We should sell some Dave and Miscavige stories.
Speaker 2:Yes, let's do that.
Speaker 1:So I was there at the international headquarters from 1990 to 2005. And I probably went to I mean, I went to a lot of meetings, but you probably went to a lot more meetings than I did. But you were also not always at the international headquarters. Sometimes you were in Florida, yep, and so you might have meetings with him there in Florida as well.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:So why don't you? You want to start with a meeting, or what's a good story.
Speaker 2:You want to start with so, okay, the first one that comes to mind just chronologically. Yeah, so, okay, the first one that comes to mind just chronologically. Yeah, so we were married in August 1992. Yeah, and we've talked about how many times over the years, constantly off and on throughout those years, that David Miscavige was pressuring us to divorce.
Speaker 1:Yeah, or he was just making fun of us that we were married.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Or making fun of you that you were married to me.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's right, like the one time when he was just making fun of us that we were married Right, or making fun of you that you were married to me. Yes, that's right.
Speaker 1:Like the one time when he was like oh, you're still married to him. Yeah.
Speaker 2:But the first one that comes to mind was New Year's of 1992. We would all go down to LA for the event, get bussed down there.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then there would be a party afterwards at a hotel.
Speaker 1:The Bonaventure.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's right Was it, the Bonaventure.
Speaker 1:There was another one we used to do too.
Speaker 2:There was another one I don't remember.
Speaker 1:Park Plaza.
Speaker 2:No, I don't know.
Speaker 1:Biltmore.
Speaker 2:Biltmore yeah. It was like downtown LA, like really downtown LA.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's right, like the kind of downtown LA that people don't even go to. I totally forgot about this.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah, and so there were a few In the early days. It was at those events, at those hotels, that staff were allowed to drink.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:So there was a time that one staff member got completely drunk and was wandering around downtown LA lost.
Speaker 1:Yes, that's right and there was one guy his name was Spike Bush and he got drunk and he was going a wrong way down a street in downtown LA and he got pulled over by the cops and the cop said sir, didn't you see those arrows back there? And he goes arrows. I didn't even see the Indians. And the cop let him go, so turn around sir.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh my gosh, some people got a little lit up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anyway, so's a turnaround, sir.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:Some people got a little lit up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, anyway. So at that event it was like protocol. Basically it was expected that you would go up to David Miscavige and say Happy New Year, sir, and whatever you would do. So you and I went and did that and he kind of looked at us both weird and he was like so you guys, brother and sister, or husband and wife, and we were like what and didn't even know that your sister was somebody completely different.
Speaker 1:Yes, he did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, anyway.
Speaker 1:Because my sister also worked at the headquarters there. Yes, and he knew the headquarters there. Yes, and he knew who she was. Yeah, and we did have the same last name at that time.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Anyway, another good story was fast forward 1995, I want to say, Was it 95, or was it 94 or 93 when I got back from Denmark and all that other stuff?
Speaker 2:That was 93, 94.
Speaker 1:Yeah, let's say it's 94. Yeah, there's an event that somebody can easily look up and see what it is on the internet, but it was right before a SeaWorld day it was, so it was probably August of 1994.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And and I had just gotten in big trouble with him in Florida which is a whole bunch of other stories, but it's in my book If you want to read those. Those are long, those aren't going to make it into a short video like this.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:But me and this other guy got sent back from Florida for messing up a film showing that he was doing, because we were basically playing it for somebody else before and we had to turn off the subs in order to play it for them. And then, when we played the actual film, after he announced it, we forgot to punch the subs back in. So there was no low end on the soundtrack. There was no low end on the soundtrack and he was really mad because he spent like six months fixing the low end of the movie soundtrack and we couldn't hear any of that Anyway. So we got sent back it's called getting sent back to the base in a body bag. We basically got bagged up and escorted back to the property by security from Florida for messing up, not playing this up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so what did that look like? Did you actually have a security escort on the flight home?
Speaker 1:No, they took us directly to the airport. They put us on the plane like a kid, and then somebody met us at the other end kind of thing. Yeah, Unaccompanied minors. It was that kind of drill, but for adults. Yeah, and in more severe cases they do send people on the plane. Yes, if they thought we were going to escape, they would have sent somebody with us to sit with us on the plane.
Speaker 2:Both of you were married.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we were both married and both of your wives were at—. His wife worked for David Miscavige.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's right, and my wife worked in well at that time you weren't in RTC. No, I was in Golden Era Productions.
Speaker 1:Anyway. So we get back. I'm in big trouble. He announces he basically what they call a base briefing. He tells the entire crew of the international base at an assembly where it's mandatory that every single person goes to that and he basically told everybody I was a shit stick and told me basically tells the story of how we screwed up his film opening and embarrassed him and embarrassed the Sea Org and embarrassed Golden Arrow Productions and blah, blah, blah Anyway. So the next day it's Sea Org day, which is the one day off you get as a Sea Org member.
Speaker 2:Well off. Well, you got to play team games. You got to do team games, you got to do stuff, but you're not working. Yes, correct.
Speaker 1:But yes, you are in.
Speaker 2:It's like the only day of the year that you don't have a battle plan.
Speaker 1:But you have to participate in mandatory team games with everybody else that you work with all day, every day anyway, yeah, tug of war yeah like we haven't done enough team activities over the 100 hours a week, Anyway. So we're sitting. So then they have an event and if you're a good Sea Org member, you get the day off, you get to play and all that stuff.
Speaker 2:And you might even get promoted. That's the one time of the year that you're. Well, it's not the one time of the year, but it's the usually designated time of year where you are allowed to submit basically a whole package proposal showing how you've been performing. You don't have nasty knowledge reports written on you, you're on schedule, you do your study, you're advancing your knowledge of Scientology, your statistics are up and you can submit to the OSB right.
Speaker 1:The Officer Selection Board.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Officer.
Speaker 1:Selection.
Speaker 2:Board to apply for a raise in rank. So post swamper petty officer, first class, second class chief petty officer, midshipman warrant officer ensign.
Speaker 1:Lieutenant.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's right, lieutenant.
Speaker 1:Junior grade.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Lieutenant, junior grade Lieutenant, and then it's a bunch of nonsense, guys.
Speaker 1:And there's not not a lot of, there's not a lot of officers floating around, and the ones that are floating around dingleberry brains, they're not, they don't deserve it, nobody. It's all just a bunch of made-up stuff. But if you are, uh, if you're close to david miscavige and you're getting stuff done, then you're gonna get uh rank. You'll get promoted, yes, but you can also be easily demoted. In an afternoon. He can say you, you lose all rank, you're a swamper again. And he did that to the entire property at one point yeah he took everyone, demoted everyone blanket to the bottom in one briefing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anyway, so, anyway, so, but the next, so I didn't get promoted. Spoiler alert he does a roast on me the night before for the base briefing. And then the next day is Sea Org Day. People get. They do ceremonies and give out rings for people who've been in the Sea Org for 25 years or more. They used to give them the rings. Now Catherine said she had to pay for hers and it was a pin or something like that, but she had to pay for it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it wasn't a ring. Yeah, the rings were getting too expensive For 25 years to get a ring, and then they do a bait and switch and now it's a pin that you have to pay for, or something like that.
Speaker 1:Anyway, claire and I remember this like it was yesterday, claire and I are sitting on these bleachers outside and it's almost nighttime at this point.
Speaker 2:It's very late in the day and it's funny that you mention that because literally like you start talking about it and I remember exactly where we were.
Speaker 1:Right where those trees, that kind of parking area was.
Speaker 2:Behind the studio the gym, the studio gym, yeah.
Speaker 1:Anyway, we're sitting there on the bleaches, Everybody's kind of left and I don't get to party or have any fun at this thing. I have to go back to the galley and scrub the floors or something like that. Yeah, and you had just gotten back, you were restricted to the property I hadn't seen you in months, well, almost like a half a year or more, because I was in Denmark before I was in.
Speaker 2:Florida, so I was just trying to see you just for a few minutes.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So we were just sitting there on the bleaches and he walks up and I'm just like, oh man, here we go, and he walks up and he goes rough week, huh. And I go, yeah, and he goes. Even your guy tried to take himself out. And I'm like my guy, and the day before the lead singer of Depeche Mode had like an OD or something like that, a drug overdose, or you try to commit suicide or something like that. And he knew that and he knew that I was a big Depeche Mode fan. And he's like, yeah, even your guy tried to take himself out and I was like my guy, what are you talking about? And then he says this and I'm just like, dude, what is wrong with you, man?
Speaker 2:That's what you're thinking. No, yeah, I didn't say anything.
Speaker 1:I was like yeah, yeah it happened too, and um, and then he just laughed, he just walked off and was laughing.
Speaker 2:But that was the time too that he he said oh yeah, you're still. And like oh, you're still married to him yeah, that's right, like wow and wow.
Speaker 1:And then he left.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Anyway. So he's just a fucking douche canoe. He's an asshole.
Speaker 2:He does asshole-ish things. And factor in this was 1995, before things started getting really, really bad. We've talked before about the first time you saw him physically abuse a staff member, the first time I saw him physically abuse a staff member.
Speaker 1:For me it was 1996. Yeah, for me it was in like 1990. Right, right, like, a few months after I was there, he beat up Mark Fisher.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Peeling the onion on YouTube Mark Fisher and Janice Grady.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Okay, you reminded me of another one. So this was another Sea Org Day, and now I was working in Religious Technology Center, and so David Miscavige would always keep a very close circle of only his most trusted confidence around him, which at that time included his wife Shelley Miscavige. At that time included his wife, Shelley Miscavige, Larese Stukenbrock, Marty Rathbun, Greg Wilhair, those kind of characters, and other than that he would very less and less. He was becoming more and more isolated from the rest of the general staff.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And more and more paranoid that they were out to get him right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he would every meeting he would. If the water bottle had been cracked, he would just throw it and say give me a new one. It's not been opened because I don't know what you guys are. He would tell us in the meeting I know you guys are going to poison me one day it's not going to be today and you just get a new bottle of water and you just be like dude. We're not like where do we get access to poison? Come on, we don't have access. If we had access, that'd be a whole nother thing. We don't have access to poison.
Speaker 2:Oh, my goodness, Anyhow. So this was. I remember it was either 1997 or 1998. But either way, it was one of the few times that all the RTC staff, after the Sea Orc Day ceremony, went to the ship.
Speaker 1:And we're just kind of mingling there with our- the ship is the Clipper Ship, the Star of California. It's a Clipper Ship that is built in the middle of the desert with masts and a deck and there's a pool inside the deck and a whole thing. There is a Clipper Ship when you're driving through the desert, with masts and a deck and there's a pool inside the deck and a whole thing. There is a clipper ship when you're driving through the desert. If you look off, if you're going east on Highway 79 through Gilman Hot Springs, you take a peek over to your left when you're driving through and there's a clipper ship there.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:And that's where that was RTCs and David Miscavige's sort of like personal space where they could hang out. Yes, mostly David Miscavige, but also RTC would have small like events or org awards or something they would have at that part of the property.
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly. So we were told oh, go to the ship, for I guess there was snacks. I don't remember there being food, I just remember the Martinellis, because we weren't allowed to have champagne, so it was Martinellis.
Speaker 1:They do a lot of Martinelli toasts in the Sea Org station. You drink a lot of apple cider, sparkling apple cider, in your Sea Org career to have all the events and everything.
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly. Anyhow, David Miscavige was talking to Marty Rathbun, Greg Wilhair, Norman Starkey and Larissa and Shelley were there too, and we were all in the uniforms, having just come from the ceremony.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And he was going on and on about how Norman Starkey knew where the body bags were. Yeah, marky knew where the body bags were and he didn't elaborate on that to say exactly what he was talking about. Yeah, but it absolutely confirmed my understanding that there were a select few people that knew deep, dark, dirty secrets.
Speaker 1:About Dave. Whatever those were, yes About Dave, exactly yes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was very apparent over the years that he knew a lot about them. In the past, david Miscavige knew the secrets of all the other executives and they, but they also gave off the vibe that they knew shit about him.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And that's a good. That's a good point. There was a. I like that. That's a good story because that makes me think of this story, which is we were in a meeting with David Miscavige and he said he was trying to dunk on Lyman in the meeting and Lyman Spurlock had been. He worked at Author Services with David Miscavige when David Miscavige was chairman of the board. Author.
Speaker 2:Services.
Speaker 1:Yes, which is like LRH's agent organization that collects royalties for everything that Scientology uses.
Speaker 1:Every time they sell a course, every time they sell a lecture, every time they sell anything that has L Ron Hubbard on it, they have to pay a licensing fee or royalty to author services.
Speaker 1:And so david miscavige was talking about how these scientists came to david miscavige and author services and said hey, we want to, we want you to invest in this project that we're doing. That's going to make billions and billions of dollars. And david miscavige said okay, so Pete and Lyman, go meet with these guys and find out what it's all about. So Pete and Lyman meet with these scientists and they're also treasure hunters and they basically told Lyman and Pete that they've studied ocean currents and where treasures will have drifted or will, they should have landed after and be located after so many years, based on the records of when it crashed and where it crashed and all these other things. And they're going to go look in these spots and if they find them, then they're going to be rich from digging up buried gold and all the treasures that were on these pirate ships or whatever, or merchant ships, whatever it is shipwrecks.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And Lyman and Pete are like this is amazing. This is like a sure thing these guys are going to do it. This is a solid thing. Anyway, David Miscavige had just lost $30 million of L Ron Hubbard's money in bad investments that he had done. I think it was mainly tied to fake oil wells in Oklahoma, like they got sold wells that didn't exist or something some sort of thing, but it was $30 million poof gone and so they need to come up with this money.
Speaker 2:They bought, purchased real estate rights for Mars and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:Space cooties scammed them out of a bunch of do-re-mi, Anyway. Oh, I got space cootie noises. I don't know if you guys can hear the space cooties, but they're landing on our house right now.
Speaker 2:Let us know if you can hear that. Yeah, mark loves his sound effects, oops.
Speaker 1:Might be some space kitties around here somewhere.
Speaker 2:Anyway, somehow.
Speaker 1:I hope they can hear that. It's going to look really silly if we're reacting to the sounds and they can't even hear them yeah.
Speaker 1:We'll have to look, okay, so he tells us. The story he tells us is that Lyman and Pete this is Pete Bleca. He used to work for me. After he was busted out of finance he worked for me and set some props he's an amazing carpenter Shout out to Pete You're a good guy. Okay, the story he tells it is that Lyman and Pete thought it was a bad idea and we didn't do it.
Speaker 2:Yes. Okay, and that's the and then no, no, no, and then that's a David Miscavige trademark.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:It's always somebody else's fault.
Speaker 1:He always overrides your good idea. And if it's a good idea and then we don't do it, he said to do it and you said not to do it, or you never had the idea or whatever, who knows. But if it was a bad idea and he said I think we should do this and you said no, no, this is not a good idea. And then you did it and it turned out bad, he'd be like, yeah, claire came up with the most horrible idea and you're just like what? It was your idea, anyway. So we have the meeting. Lyman leaves. Lyman's now a big executive. He's like finance director or he worked in RTC or whatever his post was. Yeah, he was one of the people very, very involved in the legal corporate sort out.
Speaker 2:And getting the IRS tax exempt status and all that, oh, that's a bummer. People could not hear your sound effects.
Speaker 1:Oh, they couldn't. No, oh well, sucks to suck it was fun for us.
Speaker 2:It's just a way to bring some laughter into a dark subject.
Speaker 1:I might end up messing up this whole setup if I do it.
Speaker 2:I will say, speaking of treasure hunting or whatever treasure and all that in Janice Grady's book. She covers the mission into time, where Hubbard remembered where he'd hidden treasure from previous lifetimes, and then they did a mission to go find those treasures. And it was so funny that we recently learned L Ron Hubbard is not the only cult leader that has done that exact same thing.
Speaker 1:Anyway, that's off topic but it just reminded me of it. But the only reason I wanted to tell the story is because then, after the meeting, I went back to CINI where I worked and Pete was there, yes, and I was like, hey, pete, were you around an ASI around this time? And he goes yeah, yeah, yeah, and I go. You know about these treasure hunter things? He goes oh yeah, we so screwed up. We told Dave to do it, but he didn't want to do it and I was like wait a minute. He said you guys didn't want to do it. He goes oh, no way, lyman, and I thought it was a sure thing. We 100% were like we absolutely should put as much towards this as possible. And he was like, no, dave was all worried because he had just lost that money he got, they got scammed and so he was a little gun shy and so they didn't do it anyway.
Speaker 1:The, the the punch line is that there's a book and it's called the deep blue sea and you can buy the book and it's the story of what, how these scientists did this and how they came up with billions and billions of dollars with the treasure. But in the book it tells the story of them going to see Scientology and pitching it to them it's in the book Anyway. So that's like some serious, deep, deep, deep undercover stories.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:David Miscavige's lose $30 million and then doesn't end up getting billions in profit because they didn't invest with these guys. What's another story? Maybe another money-related story that you know of?
Speaker 2:Well, I was thinking of I think I saw somebody ask in chat what does David Miscavige do on the day-to-day?
Speaker 1:What does his day look like?
Speaker 2:Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1:And.
Speaker 2:I thought that we could talk about this because of the fact that his day illustrates how much he runs everything in. Scientology everything, oh 100% In Scientology, but yeah, so he's the only, or one of the only, members of the Sea Organization that's not required to adhere to a schedule. He sets his own schedule.
Speaker 1:Okay, no, he is the only possible Sea Organization member that just does whatever they want, whenever they want.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Of course he is.
Speaker 2:Of course it goes without saying, he is the boss.
Speaker 1:He's the boss of the fake navy, so fake navy davy gets to do whatever the fake navy davy wants right.
Speaker 2:So during the years that we were there, um david miscavige slept in one room, shelly slept in a different room and um his one of his stewards would wake him up in the morning yeah or usually around noon, I would say noon is usually when we started kind of after lunch morning after lunch is usually when it'd be like up dave's up, he just got somebody, just got a call or something.
Speaker 1:Then you know like up be ready yeah, it's on.
Speaker 2:yeah, like he never came around in the mornings Because management.
Speaker 1:That was safe. That was a safe space.
Speaker 2:Yeah, nine to noon it was the only time that you weren't like, didn't have to be on edge.
Speaker 1:If you need to get any work done, do it then, because the rest of the day you're going to be in meetings.
Speaker 2:Yeah, exactly. So yeah, he would start with, you know, coffee, breakfast, whatever in the Loa Villa, which is where he lived, and he would handle his morning traffic right. That's what it was referred to, as was traffic, and read the reports from Office of Special Affairs.
Speaker 1:Daily reports of all the legal threats, all the attacks.
Speaker 2:The data pack yeah, so any press that came out, any anything? Oh, osa update yeah, the.
Speaker 1:OSA press update.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:They would have a pack sent to him from every single publication magazine. Anything in the world that they mentioned Scientology, it had to be in this pack. Anything in the world, yeah, was in this pack that went to him. And so if there was a story that got run in the AP Newswire, there might be 30 articles. It would just be every single one that went out in every single market and exactly what it said. And then sometimes there'd be a little cover note or a little summary from OSA on what's being done to deal with this If it's particularly inflammable, like they're beating people they're doing things.
Speaker 1:What did I say?
Speaker 2:Inflammable.
Speaker 1:That's right If it's inflammable.
Speaker 2:That's even worse.
Speaker 1:Inflammatory. Anything anti-Scientology would be in the press update and if there was something good, it was usually in the very, very back and it would just be like, hey, Christmas Winterland is opened up and Scientology sponsored it. Yay for them. And there'd be like one or two of those, but almost all of it was bad.
Speaker 2:Yes, completely. It was all N theta as it's referred to in the Scientology.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's got to be on his desk when he gets up. That's right. It's got to be right there in the middle of the desk waiting for him. And then also there'd be who, if anybody escaped the property that day or the day before, and all the people that were on the perimeter list that were being watched, that might try and escape from the property.
Speaker 2:Yep.
Speaker 1:The reason it was called the perimeter list is because if they breach the perimeter, they get on the perimeter list.
Speaker 2:Yep Exactly.
Speaker 1:Oh, we got a super chat, debbie, thank you for that.
Speaker 2:Oh, thanks.
Speaker 1:What's it saying?
Speaker 2:Love you both. Love Mark's personality. Yeah, he's special Good I'm good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's special I'm good, I'm good, damn I'm good. Just ask me, I'll tell you.
Speaker 2:His favorite saying in the world. He says that at least 10 times a day.
Speaker 1:Oh, she sent a super sticker too.
Speaker 2:Oh my goodness. Thanks, debbie.
Speaker 1:Maybe she didn't know. She sent the first one. She was worried we didn't read it. She just doubled down. Thanks, generous of you. Yeah, so that's just the beginning of the day.
Speaker 2:Just the start, yeah, and then oftentimes like, if there's specific projects he's running, he'll have a daily report from them. He'll have a daily report from Religious Technology Center. Very often he would have a daily report from the management executives.
Speaker 1:He'd have a daily report from Golden Air Productions.
Speaker 2:Yep, that's right.
Speaker 1:He'd have one from the landlord office of all the properties and all the renovations and the ideal orgs that are being built, yep. He'd have one from Flag on where they stood on all their different programs and building projects and anything that's happening there.
Speaker 2:Yep. He would have daily reports from the Religious Technology Center representatives, like the ones at FLAG, the ones from UK, the ones from Australia, europe. Yeah, exactly so like piles and piles and piles of things to read up on.
Speaker 1:And then he'd have one from CST on all of the preservation of the technology, the gold discs and the nickel plates and the titanium capsules. And then he'd also have one from author services.
Speaker 2:Yep, and then if there were specific legal situations or specific things that he had issued orders on to get you know whatever, then he would have specific reports on those as well.
Speaker 1:Ah yes, the International Association of Scientologists.
Speaker 2:Yep, and then let's see. Then usually first up he would have calls with attorneys on legal matters and everything else before he started making the rounds for meetings. He would take care of those things next and that would just be with, like Marty Rathbun, sometimes Mike Warren McShane and Shelley and Larice.
Speaker 2:Nobody else got to see or attend those meetings, those calls with attorneys specifically, and then most often he would then go meet with management executives on whatever the flap of the day was If it's an upcoming event, that would become the theme of the day was like if it's an upcoming event, that would become the the theme of the well, if there was an event coming up, we would usually be having meetings.
Speaker 1:The whole event executive structure would meet with him in down in the cine conference rooms, lodges, the lower lodges, and that's another video we should do. We should do the tour of the base, the drone footage.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, we've talked about that. Yeah, we keep forgetting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so we would meet there, and that meeting could start around 5 o'clock and go until midnight, yeah, and then the next day it would be like why didn't you get anything done? It'd be like we were with you the whole night and we told everybody what we were supposed to do, and they were.
Speaker 2:It was midnight, everybody went home and now it's morning, and sometimes those meetings would go until like three or four o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 1:Sometimes you'd literally get out of the meeting. You're like there's no more buses, there's no more anything. Now, somehow we have to figure out how we're going to get home, or we're just going to, and then what else? What about how? He would normally be up till like three or four in the morning every night? He never was. He never. It wasn't like 10 o'clock peace out, bitches. It would be like you would be in a meeting with him at 2.30. And then he's like and he would always complain too Like, yeah, now, when I'm done with this, I've been meeting with you guys all day doing your jobs. When I'm done, I have to go and do my entire days of work that I was supposed to do for my job.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and his office was always full with stacks and stacks and stacks and stacks and stacks of submissions, even down to, like, the replacing the carpet in the bathroom.
Speaker 1:No, when they put those mops under those rubber mats under the urinals. So if somebody tinkled on the floor it wouldn't show up on the floor. He had to order that and get a compliance report and then say, good, very well done on buying some rubber mats and putting them under the urinals.
Speaker 2:Yes, because anytime he issued an order, it was absolute priority that that order had to get complied with and a compliance report submitted to him to show him that his order had been done.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so if he went into the urinals at 2 o'clock in the afternoon in the dining hall and then Axel Axel was the MCI sanitation engineer- yes.
Speaker 1:Massacre Canyon Inn. That's where it was our dining hall's name, because there was a massacre in a canyon that was right near the inn that it used to be, so they called it MCI Massacre Canyon Inn. And this guy's mopping in the floors and Dave walks in there to take a a leak and he goes you should really put some rubber mats under these. That's like, let's say that's like, at 2.30. By dinnertime somebody has gone out, bought mats wherever you buy piss mats from for urinals. They've gone out and gotten those. Put those in there. Axel has to write a compliance report. What was ordered? What was done?
Speaker 2:Don't forget First he has to get the purchase order approved.
Speaker 1:Well, usually if Dave says you need to buy it, then you buy it.
Speaker 2:He's just going to pay for it out of his pocket, out of his $40 a week.
Speaker 1:Yeah, to comply. So then he has to send a compliance report what was done no, what was ordered, what was done. And evidence report what was done no, what was ordered, what was done.
Speaker 1:and evidence and almost always evidence is just a polaroid yep here's a picture of a piss mat under urinal and then that goes to david miscavige and then david miscavige is like, see, this kid gets what I, what I want done. And it's like, really, he asked for a piss mat, not a goddamn 7 000 cds in the next two seconds yeah, exactly, yeah.
Speaker 2:Okay, I think we should do some questions.
Speaker 1:Oh, you do. Yeah, because once again folks CDs in the next two seconds. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, yeah. Okay, I think we should do some questions.
Speaker 1:Oh, you do.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because once again folks did you point this live to the Foundation Feed episode.
Speaker 1:I didn't, but I can.
Speaker 2:Okay, good, yeah, so after this, in 15 minutes, phil Jones and I will be doing Foundation Feed Series number eight, talking about news and updates of the Michael J Render Aftermath Foundation. We hope you will join us there. Mark is going to fix it so we will redirect automatically, which I appreciate the support, honey, thank you.
Speaker 1:Oh, I did do it.
Speaker 2:There you go.
Speaker 1:In my infinite wisdom. I already did it In your infinite wisdom.
Speaker 2:All right, so we'll do some questions, then we'll do a giveaway, and then we can do a couple last stories before we're out of time.
Speaker 1:Okay, here we go. Okay, I'm just going to put up a starred one here and it's a question.
Speaker 2:Okay, this is a genuine question. Do you think he is, or has been, on drugs? So many stories make him sound like he's on cocaine or steroids with all his energy and anger. Yeah, steroids wouldn't surprise me.
Speaker 1:Human growth hormone. Well, he was definitely jamming that HGH nonstop.
Speaker 2:Yeah, for sure. Alcohol is what I know for sure.
Speaker 1:I think McAllen's or McAllen's I think, I think so yeah. Tom DeVock would know. Tom DeVock would go up there and he'd be like, hey, have a drink. And then Tom be like, okay, yeah, and he would cheat. Well, they played some game. I don't know the game, I've never played it. It's the one with the little like the little beads that go around, has like the triangles. I don't know the name of it backgammon yeah, maybe I don't know.
Speaker 1:Anyway, he would cheat, and if you, if you didn't let him win, he'd get pissy yeah yep, but I don't know about the drugs other than hgh yeah, for sure and he was. There was a time period where he was doing a ton of working out and, yeah, he was trying to be dr buffenheimer smith because he was hanging out with mr risky business buffenheimer smith.
Speaker 1:I like that one yeah, well, mr, risky business is like ripping it up full time, yeah, and dave was like, hey, uh, what's up with that? And then tom's like, well, hey, dr, flabby, flabby, stabby you gotta yeah, his david miscavige's um questionable friendship with tom cruise bromance bromance, please, that's absolutely a huge element of shelly miscavige's disappearance right it was she's like dude, you went on the freaking honeymoon. What's up with that? Yeah he went on Tom Cruise's honeymoon with Katie Holmes. David Miscavige went on the honeymoon.
Speaker 2:Third wheel much.
Speaker 1:On the honeymoon.
Speaker 2:Oh my goodness, it's gotta be. I mean that's just no, I know and like-. That's not normal in the regular world, much less in the Scientology world. Nobody thinks that's normal.
Speaker 1:Nobody is like yeah, bro.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that totally makes sense, of course I'm coming. Where's your wife?
Speaker 1:Oh man, screw her. Just me and you, Ben. I don't need my wife on this trip. They did bring Tommy Davis and Jessica Feshback. They went too.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But they were like kind of being their assistants, I guess, or whatever they were calling it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, Tommy Davis was definitely being Tom Cruise's assistant.
Speaker 1:Scientology assistant, Assisting in all things. He was a member of the Sea Organization and he, literally, was his assistant. You know what's also funny If you look, if you just look up Tom Cruise, david Miscavige, honeymoon there's pictures. But there's a picture of Tommy Davis. He has I think it's on this arm. He has a Sea Org symbol tattooed on his arm.
Speaker 2:Oh dude, I totally forgot about that.
Speaker 1:Tommy Davis does yes he does. At least I have Depeche Mode.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know Like wow, really the Sea Org who does that. He's actually the only person. I don't know of any other person in the Sea Org who's ever had a Sea Org?
Speaker 1:you don't get a tattoo after you join the Sea.
Speaker 2:Org. So here's the burning question.
Speaker 1:Oh, my goodness.
Speaker 2:Do you think he still has it now that he's not in?
Speaker 1:the Sea Org anymore. I don't know, that's a rough one. Would he have gotten it lasered? You could get him lasered off now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know, but still, that's a lot. That is a lot. But yeah, david Misca cruises honeymoon with katie holmes, yeah guys inappropriate okay, yep, yep, completely all right, let's do a few more questions. So we have 10 minutes left basically oh, here's another one okay, code monkey. Fun aside, I know this episode is hard for you both. No one should forget david miscavige verbally and physically abused. You too, yeah, for sure well, yeah, he's.
Speaker 1:that's why I say he's a douche nozzle. Why do you think we're telling this story, the worst that he ever did to me personally? Thank you for that Code monkey. Is that code monkey?
Speaker 2:Yeah it was code monkey. The worst he did to me personally was that it was more like absolute intended humiliation and degradation than actually like being punched or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and degradation than actually like being punched or something. But there was a time that myself, warren McShane, who is the legal RTC guy, fleur Thomas, who is Larissa's sister, and Antonella Teasy was there too, who she's now one of Shelley's dedicated handlers. So it was us. So we were called up to the upper villa, which was where David Miscavige's office was at the time, and he was just going off on us about some I think it was during the time of the Lisa McPherson lawsuit pending and all of that. So he was commonly flying off the handle and he literally said to me stand in front of me. And so I stood in front of him and he grabbed the back of my pants and made me just drag him across the room and he's like pull harder, pull harder. And I'm like. I'm literally like it's like horse and cart type thing And-.
Speaker 1:He was holding on to you, but he wanted you to walk and pull him around.
Speaker 2:I had to drag him across the room and he's like this is what you guys are to me. You're my ball and chain. That was what he was trying to illustrate.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Anyway, like you said, douche canoe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, screw that guy. Okay, oh, here we get another super sticker angel cat.
Speaker 2:Thank you, people are doing, thank you for that guys we don't usually. I mean, that's not, we appreciate it yeah, we do, we appreciate um we don't do memberships on this channel because we want anyone to just be open. Open platform if you if you want to support our work, great it's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't even think we were. We were thinking about. I was trying to like, what if we got a sponsor or something like that? That would help it. We could do more stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But then I was like, who are we going to? We have to get like Delete Me or something like you know that gets your information off the internet. It's a Scientology, can't get it. We go for mando or, uh, you know, some deodorant or some kind of uh nonsense. We'll see um, but if somebody wants to sponsor the channel, yeah, feel free to contact us. For sure, um, we can't make any promises, yeah, um, should we do the um? Remember, we are gonna do. Oh, did I have to take that one off there?
Speaker 1:you go we do still have the fake Navy doll contest going, guys. So remember, at the end of each month we're going to collect up all the photos. We've been getting tons of photos in from people.
Speaker 2:We have Thank you to everyone who's been sending photos. So yes, we will.
Speaker 1:Oh look, I can be in both shots at the same time.
Speaker 2:Look at that, oh look, I can be in both shots at the same time.
Speaker 1:Look at that.
Speaker 2:Movie magic.
Speaker 1:We're going to pick some winners at the end of each month. You just send a picture with your funny Davy doll and the prizes are. You get to win a Mike Rinder or a Leah Clara just commented.
Speaker 2:She said I know this company called Mode. They could sponsor you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, no, that's not happening. Okay, what else Should we do a giveaway? Yeah, let's do a giveaway.
Speaker 2:Okay, and again, while we're doing this contest for September, we'll pick the winner. The next live we do in October, so we'll take submissions up until we do the draw and then we'll start over again.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm doing it. Oh, I saw Shannon. Oh, shannon got two things. It dumped her. Oh, code Monkey almost got it, jeangal.
Speaker 2:Jeangal, congratulations or.
Speaker 1:Jeanygal Yep or Jeangal.
Speaker 2:Jeangal.
Speaker 1:Or whatever way you say it, which we don't know how.
Speaker 2:Yes, congratulations. Yeah, send me an email claire at blownforgoodcom with your address and you will be receiving a fake Navy Davey.
Speaker 1:Fake Navy Davey to the rescue.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're trying to get rid of these things, guys. I got too many of them. We got to get rid of these things, guys. I got too many of them, we got to get rid of them.
Speaker 2:We've gotten rid of a ton. We have, we have the rest to get rid of.
Speaker 1:We got to get rid of all of them.
Speaker 2:They're limited edition items. When they're done, they're done.
Speaker 1:We're not making any more after this. I'm getting out of the merch storage business.
Speaker 2:And I'm getting out of the merch shipping business.
Speaker 1:I just yeah, realize, every time you order one of these, I packed it, claire shipped it. That's how it works. And yeah, we are anxious to move all these out, and so the aftermath can get those the support it needs, and then we can help people with it. Yep, okay, dalton wants one? I'll tell Dalton.
Speaker 2:I'll bring him one. Yeah, there you go, we got you, dalton.
Speaker 1:Okay, want to do last questions.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, quick, we got five minutes left before I have to enter the portal and go. Okay, okay question why did LRH base the Sea Org on his pathetic Navy career? Yeah, I know, good question, but the actual, actually my answer to that is he was getting in so many, so much trouble with various different government agencies that you know lightning. The bright idea that he had was hey, if we're in at sea in multiple different ports, then we will be able to evade said government agencies and said governmental oversight and we will become Fabian, as is referred to, meaning could be anywhere, at any time.
Speaker 1:Not to be confused with Fabio, which is a totally separate thing. When we were. When he did that, though, I think he had such a bad go of it in the Navy as a subordinate.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:That he was like. Well, what if I'm the Commodore?
Speaker 2:Right, then you can do whatever you want. That's right. You can make it go your way.
Speaker 1:I'm running this.
Speaker 2:You can rewrite history, which he's a huge fan of doing.
Speaker 1:That's right. I'm running this whole flotilla now.
Speaker 2:Huge fan of doing.
Speaker 1:That's right. I'm running this whole flotilla now.
Speaker 2:Yep Up there. All right, folks, it's been real.
Speaker 1:It's been real, we'll see you next week. Okay To those of us joining us shortly Thank you, hold on. I got to make you go away here.
Speaker 2:All right, make me go away.
Speaker 1:Poof. There you go, she's gone. Um, I, we, they can hear you snickering though. Um, yeah, don't forget guys, uh, submit your photos for the fake navy davy contest. Um, go to this uh website blowforgoodcom. Slash forward, slash, contact us and you can submit the photo there. You can give us a little blurb or contact if you want us to uh know who you are. So if you win, we can send you a prize. And yeah, that's what's doing. Oh, I put the wrong thing up again. We got an empty chair there, chair the Claire chair. Let's see, maybe we should.
Speaker 1:This is from Apostate Alex. Maybe we should start sending him a daily SP report updating him on the number of people who have left and increasing pressure from government officials. He's getting that report anyway. Osa's doing that. Yeah, no, we don't need to report anything up. We just do what we do and he'll find out. He'll get the memo. Oh, yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Alex had these dolls in the UK and he brought them to his protest that they are doing at the St Hill Manor, east Grinstead, sussex, and they said that these caused alarm and distress. That's outrageous Alarm and distress. This guy doesn't do anything except for bring whimsical happiness and smiles. Um, yeah, that's uh, that's pretty ridiculous. Um, what time is it? Where am I going here? Oh, yeah, I'm getting rapid up here. Um, thanks for joining guys.
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