How A Denver Comedy Night Helps Scientology Survivors Rebuild

A comedy club might be the last place you’d expect to hear real escape logistics, but that’s exactly why Comedy For A Cause worked. Claire and I recap our first in-person fundraiser at Comedy Works South in Denver, including a quick walkthrough of the venue, how the silent auction came together, and why this mission matters for people leaving Scientology who suddenly face lost community, lost income, and even family disconnection.

We break down what went right, what we’ll improve next year, and why donated support from venues, volunteers, artists, and sponsors can turn a fun night into direct help. We also share the impact number that still blows our minds: about $13,000 raised, money that can translate into transportation to safety and other Aftermath Foundation programs like peer support, education grants, crisis help, and more.

Then we jump into listener questions that go deep fast: why some Sea Org members can’t simply “quit” and have to escape, how suppressive person declarations get weaponized, and the internal language Scientology uses to police behavior, including “interbulated” and “non interbulation orders.” We also unpack OT level beliefs around Xenu and body thetans, the repeated bait-and-switch promises, and the intense security culture around OT materials. Plus, we share updates on upcoming projects and new book news in the broader cult recovery community.

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Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:12

Hey guys, welcome back to the channel. Welcome to another episode of Blown for Good, Scientology Exposed. I am joined today by my lovely wife, Claire.

SPEAKER_00 0:22

Hey, hey, hey, everybody. Thanks for joining us this cold, snowy Sunday.

SPEAKER_01 0:27

I know we got snow here. It was like we had we had like drinks in the driveway on Friday night.

SPEAKER_00 0:33

And it was like 70.

SPEAKER_01 0:35

70s. Maybe high 60s. And uh snow today.

SPEAKER_00 0:41

Yep. There you go.

Comedy Works Venue Walkthrough

SPEAKER_01 0:44

Um we've got a fun episode for you guys today. Um we basically wanted to show a recap of the Comedy for Cause event that happened a few days ago. And um so Claire put together some slides. Um we've got a whole little deck here. But when we went um live while we were there right before the event, um, I showed a little video that gave a tour of Comedy Works. And so if you hadn't seen the other video pre-event live stream we did, um we wanted to show you guys that here. So let's see. Sound good? Yep, that's good. Let's see if this works here. Welcome to Comedy Works Denver. This is Comedy Works South at Landmark, and uh, we're having an event here tonight. I wanted to show you guys around. So come on in. Caden, my middle son's videoing this. So this is the box office where you can take it. Um, this is where people will be coming in. There's a bar over this way, and then um the event were happens up here. Come on. Come on. So this is where the event is. Don't pan over too far because we don't want to get too much sunlight in there. Um you can see there's Catherine and Chris Shelton and Helen and Matt Pash and Claire and Clara, and they're all setting up for the event. And then over here and uh there's gonna be dining over here. And then also dining in here if you made a reservation and you want to get something more than just eau d'herbes and uh snacks and stuff. You can actually just have a whole meal in here. Uh let's go down to the comedy stage. I'm gonna have a corn hearing. I'm looking up and down the stairs on the stage. The stairs, it's a lot of stairs for up and down three or four times in a row.

SPEAKER_00 3:08

You're huffing and pooping.

SPEAKER_01 3:09

I am. They got the they got Claire's video plane up there, the aftermath video. Um you put your phone in a pouch and lock it up, so there's no recording. And then uh this is the stage in here. They're just testing, getting the video plane in here, too. This is it. You got all the seating down here, and then there's also a balcony up there, uh, a whole balcony across the top. And um, yeah, so this is Comedy Works Denver. This is our aftermath uh comedy for a cause event. And um hope you guys like it. That's it. That's it.

Why The Fundraiser Exists

SPEAKER_00 3:56

That's it. Yes, great job. All right, yes, so Comedy for a Cause, our first ever in-person event. Goal of the event for many people leaving Scientology, the loss of community, financial stability, and family support can be overwhelming. Funds raised at this event go directly toward helping individuals take their first steps towards independence, safety, and a self-directed future. So, yes, it was a it was a great, a great venue, great event, great turn turnout. We it was awesome to have so many people come together. Um, it was just a really there was no negatives.

SPEAKER_01 4:35

Yeah, there was a few people there that we just didn't know. And so there was a f it was a few people that were like, Well, these are people we do not know, or or we haven't met in person. Yes, and so we were sort of like, okay, we'll see, we'll see. I thought for sure that there at least had to be one or two OSA people in there. For sure. Yeah, but who knows which two of those people.

unknown 5:04

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 5:05

They didn't cause any trouble, so maybe they were debating whether to submit an application for aid, you know?

SPEAKER_01 5:11

Yeah. Okay, so yeah, I did that. Yes, the tour.

Silent Auction Setup And Lessons

SPEAKER_00 5:15

We did the venue tour, yeah. So we so for anyone who didn't join the live stream on Wednesday, so the event was on March 11th, Wednesday, March 11th. Um, and it started at 6. We had the upstairs dining area, we had the whole silent auction, um, all a lot of baskets laid out. We had some items that were for in-person bidding and some that were also included online. Um, so we'll organize that better for next year. We learned some good lessons from that. But really, uh typically at an event like this, the silent auction is for attendees. But because we wanted to broaden it to involve the community and everything else, we that's why we opted to do the online option, which was really good.

SPEAKER_01 6:03

Yeah, it was because and also just depending on weather and how it ends up people trap people's travels and stuff like that. So um it's good to be have some people on the interwebs get a chance to.

SPEAKER_02 6:16

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 6:16

It was also good for us to do so that we could see how much we could handle as an organization on putting together an event and all the different things that went into it. So it was a good kind of first uh whack at it. And um and whenever you're doing a fundraiser, you want to get take in more money than you're spending on the fundraiser, and we well, well exceeded that. So that was also we we had we had a lot of things donated for from people to make this happen.

Comedy Works Support And Comedy Memories

SPEAKER_00 6:50

And absolutely, I want to focus for a minute on Comedy Works, and our good friend Wendy Um use of the space was donated, which was absolutely huge. If you live in Colorado and you haven't visited Comedy Works, there's two locations actually, one in downtown Denver, and this was this one is Comedy Works South, but it's our personal favorite.

SPEAKER_02 7:13

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 7:14

Um, it's absolutely awesome. You can go there for dinner, and if you make a dinner reservation and you have tickets for a comedy show, it's like the the uh insider information that you'll get. You'll get like from your dinner reservations, you get straight into priority seating, no waiting in line.

SPEAKER_01 7:33

It's we've seen a lot of good shows. We've we saw uh probably 50 shows there.

SPEAKER_00 7:41

Yes, including ones that were the material was used for Netflix specials.

SPEAKER_01 7:45

We saw a Dave Chappelle show, and I'm pretty sure that one it was a long, long show. He had a bottle of booze and cigarettes and a pack of cigarettes, and he pretty much got he was sharing doing shots with the audience.

SPEAKER_00 7:59

Yeah, that's I remember that one because man, there were two people in the front row that he was going to town with. It was so, so funny.

SPEAKER_01 8:07

But also that show was through like pretty much the majority of three Netflix specials. Yes. So it was a long show, and it was hilarious. Maybe the best show I've ever been to in my life.

SPEAKER_00 8:19

Yeah, and we've been to some really funny shows there.

SPEAKER_01 8:22

Yeah, we have a lot.

SPEAKER_00 8:24

Um, but yes, so Comedy Works South, there. Wendy's support of our cause and our mission is just so, so meaningful. Her staff is amazing, the facility was amazing. They did great.

SPEAKER_01 8:35

Yeah, and she even showed up for a little bit. Yes, I know. It was so good to see her. Made an appearance.

SPEAKER_00 8:41

Yes, absolutely. And oh, and also shout out to our staff and board members who showed up. Of course, the amazing Clara, Katherine Olsen, Katherine Christensen, um, both came for the event. Uh and yep.

SPEAKER_01 8:57

And Catherine also made a lot of things for the event as well. Yes. Artwork and pictures and all kinds of things she could she brought in.

SPEAKER_00 9:05

Yes, absolutely. As did um other survivors like Serge Obolinsky, um, drew an amazing uh he did a pen drawing for our auction, which was just awesome. And Shannon Komodo also did a really awesome um, donated an amazing piece of art that she created. Um, she said I could say her name. So you're looking at me funny, like I'm like, no, we're good. We're good. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 9:34

You know, there is a cut in the middle of that video, and it's because there were some people I was not supposed to show on camera that were that need to not to be seen by the camera. So there's a big jump cut right in that video, in the middle of that video, and that's me splicing in another take of some some of the video.

Donors Art Merch And Auction Items

SPEAKER_00 9:52

It's all good. You you took care of business, so I'm grateful. And um, okay, yeah, so also special thanks to Mitch Brisker. He did actually two versions of um uh a promotional video for the event, one for pre-event, one for to be played at the event, which was amazing. They had TVs in the lobby at Comedy Works where the video was playing, and then we also played it. I I gave a speech at the start of the event, and then we played the video for the for all the attendees, which was awesome. Um, and this is our team photo before the event. Amazing crew, like I said, our team of volunteers took a photo on stage before the event. Yeah, there you go. Um, auction items. We had custom embroidered Eddie Bauer jackets with our logo. There's me modeling them with um our board member Helen. Uh, those were they're super cool jackets. Really, really nice.

SPEAKER_01 10:52

I know. You guys were like, hey. I was like, ooh, I why are we giving these away?

SPEAKER_00 10:57

I know. I bid on one and then I got outbid, which was kind of funny.

SPEAKER_01 11:01

I bid on I re I bid on one of the um one of the auctions and I kept getting outbid by people, and I was like, this is crazy that they want this.

SPEAKER_00 11:12

Yep. And then there was um Marcus, a cracker liquor gift basket, which was donated. Yes, you did. We I think we have oh yeah, there you go. You're there. It's that's the photo you can see there. That was donated by Cam Kansas. Super grateful for all of Kathy Mannweiler's help with the event. And um, yeah, so that was the cracker liquor basket. Uh this was the piece of art that Shannon donated. Um, it's kind of hard to tell, but it's um like 3D media. Um so yeah, anyway, super cool. Um that was also, yeah, that was also pretty awesome. There was like 40 bids on that, I want to say.

SPEAKER_01 12:00

It was pretty awesome. It's literally textured in the what it's painted kind of thing. It's it's it's amazing.

SPEAKER_00 12:08

Yep. And this is the artwork from Surge. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 12:13

Yes, it's got, I think that's the Cinerama Dome, and that's the uh I think it's the Bonaventure. And that's the Staples Center. I don't know, I'm guessing. It's very cool.

SPEAKER_00 12:27

Yeah, anyway, very appreciative. He was so excited when I asked him.

SPEAKER_01 12:31

Right.

SPEAKER_00 12:32

He was like, Yes, I'm on it. I'm doing it. And so, you know, the SP shop sent him money for art supplies and and all that. So anyway, he got it done. And then okay, he loves that stuff too. Yes, honorable mention, John Christensen's Xeno and the Body Thetans hand-drawn poster, which we have um right behind you now. Did you see I added that?

SPEAKER_01 12:52

I did. Yeah. I put it, I put the light behind it instead of the light in front of it.

SPEAKER_00 12:56

Oh, okay, good.

SPEAKER_01 12:57

So you can see it.

SPEAKER_00 12:58

Yep. Anyway, that was also absolutely amazing.

SPEAKER_01 13:02

Oh, I should show that on the big screen here. So people are like, yeah, whatever. We didn't see anything.

SPEAKER_00 13:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 13:07

Put it, it's right there.

SPEAKER_00 13:08

There you go. Other way, there you go, right there behind me. It's very cool. Yeah, very cool. And then the other photo there, that's Catherine's artwork uh from Castle Rock, Colorado. Beautiful, beautiful shot. That's one of my favorites of Catherine's Colorado series that she was included for the auction.

SPEAKER_02 13:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 13:31

So so far, we still have donations coming in, but we were all told we've raised$13,000, which is amazing.

SPEAKER_01 13:39

For be able to get all those things done and also come out on top was amazing.

SPEAKER_00 13:46

And that goes to help that amount can help transport 26 survivors to safety. Um, and also obviously, we have so many programs, education grants, our online support group, um, peer support, our crisis line, the billboards, etc. So um all very meaningful funds that will go to very good use. And we're just so grateful to everyone who came to the event, everyone who who joined the live stream before the event, everyone who helped us to be able to pull it off. Uh, we learned so much really important lessons. We did.

SPEAKER_01 14:24

It was perfect for it was perfect for the the for the first kind of one.

SPEAKER_00 14:30

Yes, it was.

SPEAKER_01 14:31

It was um like we've had meetings and like meetups before, but this is like we actually had to put on a show. We had to do a whole lot of stuff.

SPEAKER_00 14:40

And we talked to so many people. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 14:43

There was a lot of people there from all over, too. Yes, from I want to say at least six or seven states we had people coming in from. And um, is there another slide?

SPEAKER_00 14:54

Maybe even more. Uh yeah, we'll go back because we'll get to that later.

SPEAKER_01 14:58

Oh. Um the um my cousin and her and my aunt and her family a lot of family members were there in the audience, and I didn't know they were there because they didn't come for the dinner, they just came for the show.

SPEAKER_00 15:13

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 15:13

And um and I was like, Oh my god, what are you guys doing here? And they're like, Oh, we wouldn't miss this for the world. And we I was like, Oh my goodness. Yes. Anyway, and I was sitting there talking with them, and then some some of the ushers came through and said, Hey, you gotta get out of here. There's somebody sitting here. And it was the mayor of Brighton and his wife that was sitting right next to them. And I was like, Wow, this is wild.

SPEAKER_00 15:34

Yes, yeah, and and for context, uh Tony Ortega did an article about the mayor of Brighton last year because the city of Brighton had made May 9th Dianetics Day, and and actually Wendy from Comedy Works is the person that brought it to my attention, and we immediately jumped on this to meet with the mayor of Brighton to tell him how woefully misinformed he was.

SPEAKER_01 15:59

How wild is that if that she gets a notification when something related with Scientology happens? She pays attention. Anyway, she saw this article, and otherwise we never would have known about it.

SPEAKER_00 16:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:10

It was like in the paper kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00 16:12

Yeah. Anyway, we went and met with him in his, you know, respectfully, he was incredibly responsive. He was absolutely mortified. And so he met with myself, Mark, Chris Shelton, and Bruce Hines, and we explained to him, you know, all the things he didn't know about the connections between Dianetics and Scientology and the abusive and destructive practices of the Scientology organization. And of course, May 9th is no longer Dianetics Day in the city of Brighton.

SPEAKER_01 16:44

Yeah, they rescinded it like before it ever got done.

SPEAKER_00 16:48

Yes. No, we're talking about Brighton, Colorado.

SPEAKER_01 16:51

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, not yeah.

SPEAKER_00 16:52

Not somebody asked Brighton, UK.

SPEAKER_01 16:54

Oh, yeah, no, sorry.

SPEAKER_00 16:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:56

Um, and then also um, I think we even gave him a copy of my book.

SPEAKER_00 17:00

Yes, we did. Yeah. Yeah, and we gave him a whole like folder of, you know, a fact sheet about all the very problematic issues in Dianetics itself. And more to the point, he I mean, it wouldn't be hard to establish a connection, but it was carefully played from by Scientology at the outset with no reference to Scientology.

SPEAKER_01 17:23

Yeah, they never mentioned that at the end of the year. None. So, of course, an author of a self-help book kind of right.

SPEAKER_00 17:29

Exactly. The modern science of mental health as it's you know pitched.

SPEAKER_01 17:34

Bestseller and translated into 77 languages.

SPEAKER_00 17:37

Yeah. Anyway, so yeah, a lot of amazing people came to the event. Um, people that, you know, and also not just um former Scientologists, but other cult people recovering from cults and um some of the things.

SPEAKER_01 17:52

Denver Steve was there.

SPEAKER_00 17:54

Oh, yes, yes, that was awesome. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 17:57

Denver Stevo and his wife came. Yeah. Um yeah, it's fun stuff.

SPEAKER_00 18:01

Yeah, we had a really good turnout. We were lucky to have amazing weather, so there was no snow interruptions or, you know, this time of year as a roll of the dice. So everything went perfectly.

SPEAKER_01 18:13

Awesome. Can I show this other slide now?

SPEAKER_00 18:16

Yes, you may.

SPEAKER_01 18:17

Okay, there we go.

unknown 18:18

Here we go.

Annual Plans And Book Updates

SPEAKER_00 18:18

Thank you to all who came to the event, bid on items, watched the live stream, donated, and or continue to support our mission. Yes, thank you, thank you, thank you, everybody. Um, okay, announcements. We're hoping to make Comedy for a Cause an annual event. Stay tuned. And a little bit Colties, Sarah Edmondson and Nippy Ames released a book this week. You can purchase it on Amazon, a little bit colty. I'm so looking forward to reading this book. I ordered my copy last night off Amazon. And Sarah and I will be um doing an interview once I've read the book on this channel. So you can look forward to that. And yeah, so there you go. That's that.

SPEAKER_01 18:58

Awesome. Is that that that's it? That's the last one.

SPEAKER_00 19:01

Yep. Oh, yeah. And um, I put up a community post yesterday since I very often get asked about my book status, and since I'm absolutely, if it kills me, I'm gonna finish it this year. Hopefully I didn't drink that, but um, so I put up a sub stack which will also be added to my claireheadley.com website um to make book announcements.

SPEAKER_01 19:29

How do we have our domains?

SPEAKER_00 19:30

I can I I know the answer to that. No, you bought yours, yeah, which is it's kind of funny in retrospect. I think what it's one of the first things you did when we got out the minute we had any kind of disposable income.

SPEAKER_01 19:43

That's exactly right. The very first thing I did was like, I gotta buy the domains on myself, otherwise they're gonna jam me up.

SPEAKER_00 19:50

Which is so funny because you know, who would have thought like eight years later, they had to come up with a different strategy of the whois series because your name was already gone.

SPEAKER_02 20:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:01

Anyhow, I think I somewhere in there, you got your domain, and I was like, Well, wait a minute, I should get mine then. So I got mine and I didn't ever do anything with it until a couple of years ago, and I was like, Didn't even point to BFG?

SPEAKER_01 20:15

No, no, unbelievable.

SPEAKER_00 20:17

I know. So now I have I have just a holding page where you can sign up for you know um for the a book mailing list, but now I'll have the Substack embedded there too.

SPEAKER_01 20:29

You could probably do the pre-orders through there, too.

SPEAKER_00 20:31

Yes, yes, that's what I've already um planned. So, you know, because some people prefer watching YouTube or, you know, they're not books are not really their thing. Um, but either way, that's why I figured having a dedicated place for news and updates would be a really good thing. So yay.

SPEAKER_01 20:51

Awesome.

Live Q And A Starts

SPEAKER_00 20:53

Yep, yep. All right, so that covers uh that. So we can pop in your questions, we'll we'll get to all that. We didn't didn't have a huge amount planned today because we're honestly still in recovery from from the last week of so many things going on.

SPEAKER_01 21:10

Oh my god, me too.

SPEAKER_00 21:11

Yeah, I still have a tax deadline coming up. I'm like, and my book and and and and and and but I did commit to attending howdycon. Hopefully you can too.

SPEAKER_02 21:21

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_00 21:24

Uh HowdyCon 2026. I think it's um anyway, it's on Tony Ortega's blog in terms of location and date, but I want to say it's September 18th to the 20th. I think it's in Connecticut, I'm not sure, but I know that um the the um any proceeds from that event will benefit the Michael J. Rinder Aftermath Foundation, which I'm super grateful about. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 21:48

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_00 21:49

Yes. Apostate Alex will be there.

SPEAKER_01 21:52

Wow. When is it when is it?

SPEAKER_00 21:53

September 18th to the 20th. I put it on the calendar.

SPEAKER_01 21:56

Okay, we'll see.

SPEAKER_00 21:58

Poor Mark.

unknown 21:59

Uh

SPEAKER_01 22:00

I'm already flying all over the ding dang place.

SPEAKER_00 22:03

I know that's why I didn't commit you to do it.

SPEAKER_01 22:06

Look at like 49 states now, right? I know. I know. It's like Hawaii, the only holdout.

SPEAKER_00 22:12

Right. Um Yeah, even Alaska is off the list now.

SPEAKER_01 22:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:16

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 22:17

Okay, here's a question. I think it's about a comedian.

SPEAKER_00 22:21

Question. Have you guys seen Kath Kathleen Madigan's stand-up? She's hilarious. No.

SPEAKER_01 22:27

I haven't seen her stand-up, but I used to listen to I used to have Sirius Radio and she was on there nonstop all day, all night on uh one of the comedy channels on there. Um here we go.

SPEAKER_00 22:40

All right, Angela, I was thrilled to read your substack. Can't wait for your book to come out. I'm reading Mark's book at the moment. Yay! Thank you, Angela. We shipped your Davy doll to you, so hopefully you enjoy that. Oh, yeah, we got stuff. I'm behind on responding to emails, but I will get Clara's gonna help me with that too. It's just a lot. I'm not complaining.

SPEAKER_01 23:01

We had a lot of uh SP shop and blown for good merch has been going out, and a lot of Davy dolls. So every time you buy one of these Davy dolls, this little guy here, this little feller, uh fake Navy Davy, Captain Chucklesworth, Captain Whack from TGAC, whatever you want to call him.

SPEAKER_00 23:20

Um was the leprechaun title?

SPEAKER_01 23:22

Uh I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 23:23

Yeah. Anyway, whatever. It's funny.

SPEAKER_01 23:26

Yeah, dopey lep dopey wannabe leprechaun guy. Um anyway, all the proceeds from that go to the Aftermath Foundation as well. So SP Shop is one of the main contributors.

SPEAKER_00 23:38

Yes, and S the SP Shop was also an event sponsor.

SPEAKER_01 23:42

Yes. Yes. The SP Shop has been a very, very large uh contributor to the Aftermath Foundation.

SPEAKER_00 23:50

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 23:51

Okay. Uh but does it show that? Uh yes.

SPEAKER_00 23:58

Okay, one love. I'll be buying Claire's book to pair with Mark's book. Love it. Awesome. Nice. Thank you.

SPEAKER_01 24:04

Gonna make sure the in Scientology they made books and they never ever thought about the spines. Yes. So all of their books, the spine the the the foil or the stamp or the letters on the spines, whether in a paperback or a hardback, would go they would they would move up and down if they were on a shelf like that.

SPEAKER_00 24:27

Right, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:27

So we gotta make sure whatever yours has got matches mine.

SPEAKER_00 24:30

Mark's OCD will go bonkers if uh if I don't have that exactly lined up, right? Yes, but um I will be within the next month, I'll be releasing the cover, the title on the sub stack, um, and news and updates. Um it's it will have a two-month production time. So um anyway.

SPEAKER_01 24:55

Cool.

SPEAKER_00 24:56

It will be good, it'll be awesome.

SPEAKER_01 24:58

Awesome, and then we got a few people uh telling us what's going on.

SPEAKER_00 25:02

Hi Claire and Mark, greetings from the Italian Alps, though I'm originally from Stockholm, Sweden. Wow, that's amazing! Thank you for joining us. Yeah, uh, love and life question How far did Miscavige read in Mike's render Mike Render's voice in honor of him for this event get in Scientology? And if he hasn't done the OT levels, how do you guys think he learned about Zenu? Oh no, he has done the OT levels. He was OT7 um in 2005. He had not, I think he was, I don't remember, in Jesse Prince's The Expert Witness book, he talks about how tr how much training Miscavige did. Yeah. But there's a story I want to say that Jesse has in there where Miscavige trained as an auditor as a teenager and ended up yelling at his um the person he was counseling and uh getting in a lot of trouble. Surprise, surprise, right? That should have been fair warning that uh nothing good was coming from this kiddo.

SPEAKER_01 26:07

Yeah, they used to uh Ron Miscavige uh told me that uh when he was young and they were in Scientology, they would call him uh N Theta Enrique and Theta. Enrique and Theta.

SPEAKER_00 26:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:20

That was a joke, because he was such a such a like just rotten and mean. And they called him Enrique and Theta.

SPEAKER_00 26:29

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 26:30

N Theta in Scientology means just kind of like uh uh upsetting things that are upsetting people.

SPEAKER_00 26:37

Yeah. And theta is it comes it comes from interbulated theta, yeah, which basically means like you know, b you got bad uh bad juju.

SPEAKER_01 26:48

That's true. In Scientology, they have this word interbulated. Yeah. And that basically means like if I went up to a Scientologist and they said, Oh, what's that book? And I said, Oh, it's a book about how horrible Scientology is. And you know, I talk about Zenu and the body thetans and all that, they would that they would be interbulated by by hearing this.

SPEAKER_00 27:08

Aaron Powell And and how would they respond? It would be like this Mark, stop interbulating me. You're interbulating me. I'm gonna write a knowledge report on you.

SPEAKER_01 27:19

Anyway, but in Scientology, if you kind of jack with another Scientologist and you troll them or mess with them or just anything, they get interbulated. And also, when you get interbulated, you're not supposed to go in session. You have to get un you have to can't be interbulated when you go into session and get the counseling.

SPEAKER_00 27:38

Trevor Burrus, Jr. Yeah. And if you're a repeat offender, they even have a sheet of paper that's called a non-interbulation order, which by the way was part of my expert witness testimony explaining what a non-interbulation order was in the Danny Masterson trial. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_01 27:55

Yeah. It basically is Scientology puts out a notice to all the Scientologists in that area. Hey, listen, if some guy's talking about Xenu or they say, listen, you can't talk to this guy. And if he causes one more person to be interbulated and they report him, then he will be declared a suppressive person.

SPEAKER_00 28:17

Right. Yeah. It's kind of like your last the the last uh threat of expulsion and everything else. Uh right before. Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:28

And it basically shuts down, especially if he's telling the truth about David Miscavige or Scientology or L. Ron Hubbard or whatever it is.

SPEAKER_00 28:37

Scientology calls the truth black propaganda. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 28:41

Yeah. They have a word for the truth, but they are. Um yeah, that's crazy.

unknown 28:47

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 28:48

Crazy stuff.

Why Escaping The Sea Org Matters

SPEAKER_00 28:49

Yep, absolutely. Okay, moving on here. Uh hello from Malibu. Hello. Nice. Hi, Mark and Claire from Australia. Nice. Thank you so much for joining us. Hi from California. Uh question. Can you please explain the necessity to escape Scientology? I mean, would they have physically barred you from leaving and imposed forced confinement if you had simply said you were leaving? Okay, so backing up for a minute, we were Mark and I both were had signed billion-year contracts and were in the C organization. That's number one that you need to understand. Number two is that we were working at the headquarters in Gilman Hot Springs, California, which is not only extremely remote, but also extremely guarded and secure. So um, so it's not necessarily that every single Scientologist would have to escape, but members of the C organization know. They are not allowed to just escape, no matter where they're physically located. And Scientology wields over you as a member of the C organization that they can declare you a suppressive person, which means that you'll lose every friend, every family member, um, every associate, oftentimes Scientologists were uh sorry, um, yeah, Scientologists work for other Scientologists, their friends are other Scientologists. So Scientology wields leverage and control over its members by virtue of those factors. Now, circling back to our circumstance, you want to talk about what happened to you when you tried to leave?

SPEAKER_01 30:31

Well, yeah, they ran me off the road on the motorcycle.

SPEAKER_00 30:34

Yes. And had a a random passerby not called 911, you would not have succeeded in escaping.

SPEAKER_01 30:43

Yeah. Basically, I mean, they took the keys from my bike, and then we're gonna go and then we're gonna drive back to the property.

SPEAKER_00 30:48

Right. They were gonna bring you back. Um, and and there is a copy of that police report in the paperback version of Mark's book. But e and even in that police report, the officers say how they called for backup because there were four security guards in the security SUV that ran you off the road, and they felt the police officer, the responding police officers felt they needed backup.

SPEAKER_01 31:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 31:14

Which says a lot to me.

SPEAKER_01 31:16

Yeah. And and also for us, we were declared suppressives before we ever spoke out or said anything about Scientology.

SPEAKER_00 31:23

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 31:24

I wanted to make sure that's clear. Like, yeah, we we were living in Kansas City, and she was working at a pizza restaurant, and I was fixing computers, and the day after Claire escaped is what my entire family were told they could never speak to me ever again.

SPEAKER_00 31:40

The day after I escaped, I don't think I'd even arrived in Kansas City yet. I was still on the Greyhound bus.

SPEAKER_01 31:47

That's right. And they also did that without telling us anything, and then continued to negotiate with us in terms of not declaring us for five months. They made out like if we did this and we did this and we did this and we did this, then we might not get declared. But they'd already declared us before they started doing any of those talks and notified all of our family members.

SPEAKER_00 32:17

Yeah, and very specifically, Greg Wilhair, who was at the time David Miscavige's right-hand man, told us in an email that we have a copy of that our suppressive person declare was on hold.

SPEAKER_01 32:31

Yeah, that was meanwhile, when was that?

SPEAKER_00 32:33

That was like our entire family had been told they could never speak to us ever again, which they haven't.

SPEAKER_01 32:39

Yeah, that was like in March. Right. We'd already been declared for three months by the time.

SPEAKER_00 32:44

Oh, and then my favorite, I'm being sarcastic, of course, was also in March. We got a phone call from Warren McShane, Mr. Deputy Inspector General for Legal Affairs Religious Technology Center, saying, Oh And and corn on the internet.

SPEAKER_01 33:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:01

Uh and w a professional liar for David Miscavige. That's his his uh what he's most well known for.

SPEAKER_01 33:08

That's how David Miscavige talks about it.

SPEAKER_00 33:11

Yes, not me. That's not my description, that's David Miscavige's description. Anyhow, Warren McShane calls. This is after, you know, two months after Greg Wilhair told us it was on hold, which was a lie.

SPEAKER_02 33:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 33:24

Now Warren McShane calls us. We're three months into a lease on our apartment. We both have jobs, um, all of this. And Warren says, so um, you asked what what was the deal. All that has to happen is sorry, it's so nuts thinking about this in retrospect. Warren. So, yes, uh, if you come back and do the rehabilitation project for us, it will be canceled. Like, bro, I have slept for more in the last two months than I slept in the 15 years prior. Yeah, I also watch like more movies than I watched the entire rest of my life. I have a job. I've learned that there are really good people in this outside world.

SPEAKER_02 34:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 34:11

And guess what? I'm not flipping burgers, though I'd be happy to.

SPEAKER_01 34:15

Um She was flipping pizzas.

SPEAKER_00 34:17

I wasn't, I was a pizza restaurant waitress.

SPEAKER_01 34:21

She wasn't even flipping pizzas.

SPEAKER_00 34:23

Talk about, yeah, talk about surreal. Like going from being in the hole, yeah, escaping, being a little bit. Never getting a chance to eat. And three days later, I'm working at a pizza restaurant taking orders and all this. It was literally one it's to this day.

SPEAKER_02 34:39

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 34:39

The like it's like I went through a portal to another world.

SPEAKER_00 34:46

Right. A really nice world, by the way.

SPEAKER_01 34:50

Yeah, I remember sometimes you'd get off work early, or it would be like it in the middle of the week, maybe it was a little slow, and then you would basically just come home after lunch, kind of thing.

SPEAKER_00 34:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:00

After the lunch rush. And then it would be like, what do we do?

SPEAKER_00 35:03

I know.

SPEAKER_01 35:03

What do you want to do?

SPEAKER_00 35:04

I know.

SPEAKER_01 35:04

What do we what we're like, why have you take we don't have any money, but we don't we can do whatever we want. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:11

Yeah. We had like 10 hours to kill. We were like, wow, this is this is a really unusual feeling.

SPEAKER_01 35:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 35:17

Anyway, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:18

That was a long answer for whatever that question was.

SPEAKER_00 35:20

Yes. All right. Hi from the Innerbanks, IBX on the Albemarle Sound, North Carolina. Albemarle Sound, North Carolina, named after George Monk, 1608 to 1670, the first Duke of Albemarle. I've heard Albemarle. Heard Claire try and pronounce it a while back. Albemarle. Oh my goodness. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 35:46

Keep them coming, folks. Keep them coming. They're the best. If you live somewhere that's got a weird name that Claire might not be able to pronounce, please write in and say that. So we're going to be able to do that.

SPEAKER_00 35:57

Oh my goodness. Good evening from the Netherlands, Trevan. Thank you so much for joining us. Katie, my first live after lots of podcasts listening. Hi from Ferndale, Michigan. Awesome. Thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate it. Good to have you here. Hi from the Willamette Valley, Oregon. Catherine. Hello from Lisbon. Nice. Old Techie. Hi from snowy Nebraska. Hi back from snowy Colorado. Manon, Heil from the Netherlands. Awesome. Hello, Mark and Claire. Hello from Pennsylvania. Congrats to all on what seemed like an extremely successful first event. Yes. Tracy, howdy from Wyoming. Hello from Tennessee. Happy Sunday. Claire Bear, Mark, and Gang from Washington. Good evening, all. Happy UK Mother's Day. Oh, nice. Happy Mother's Day to anyone watching from UK. Hello from Auckland, New Zealand. Betsy Sue, greetings from Cameron, North Carolina. Hello from the Netherlands. Nice. Netherlands in force. Represent. Hello from DK. Nice.

SPEAKER_01 37:02

Oh, here's Apate Alex.

SPEAKER_00 37:04

Apostate Alex in the House, Deputy, joking and degrading in charge. Human Emotion and Reaction Unit, International Association of Suppressive Persons, UK reporting for duty. Sir.

SPEAKER_01 37:15

Yeah, he needs to work on that title, man. That's a lot.

SPEAKER_00 37:19

I didn't want to, I mean, you know.

SPEAKER_01 37:20

That's a word salad right there, dude. He really jammed him in. Every single thing. Yes. Besides unit.

SPEAKER_00 37:27

The only thing he could have, you know, he said he could have promised not to cause any ARC breaks or you know, those kinds. Oh gosh. Or he's finished his OWs.

SPEAKER_02 37:34

Just keep reading.

SPEAKER_00 37:35

Angel Cat. Hi from Sunland, California. We're in the middle of a heat wave. It's supposed to be in the 80s. Wow. That's crazy. Question Will be Will there be new episodes on the Aftermath channel? Yes, Vernon. Thank you so much for asking. Um, obviously, we've been a little tied up with pulling off this first event, but um, we already have some amazing thoughts, ideas, and plans coming. So we will get that picked back up again and resume. So if you haven't subscribed to the Aftermath Foundation on YouTube, please do so. Hit that notification bell, and uh we'll put up some announcements here on the community page at BFG as well, so that you're notified when those pick back up again. But we're looking forward to that too. Angel Cat, thanks for all you do. Thank you so much. We appreciate you.

SPEAKER_01 38:26

Super chat.

SPEAKER_00 38:26

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 38:27

Haven't seen one of those in a while. Here you go. Uh oh, here's here's a Betsy Sue question.

SPEAKER_00 38:33

Question If they get interbulated, wouldn't that mean they haven't mastered their reactive mind? Yes.

SPEAKER_02 38:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:42

Again, go figure out. You can't insert too much logic into this because once you start poking holes in it, it you it's like popping a balloon.

SPEAKER_02 38:50

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 38:52

Uh hi from North Texas. Nice. Thank you for joining us.

Interbulation And Scientology Humor

SPEAKER_01 38:56

Oh, here we go. That's a good one.

SPEAKER_00 38:59

Question Love and Life. Is there such a thing as Scientology humor? Like, would a Scientologist attend a regular comedy show, or would there even be a Scientology comic, or do they just completely lack joy? Yeah. We were talking about this.

SPEAKER_01 39:16

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:16

We've been talking about this because of the comedy show.

SPEAKER_01 39:19

There's a funny thing that Hubbard said as a joke, which I do think is funny.

SPEAKER_00 39:25

One thing.

SPEAKER_01 39:26

Yeah, one thing. That I thought was funny. You know, everything that I read, there was one thing that I particularly stuck out as me as funny. Do tell. Is he gives this uh back-handed compliment and he says, They said you were fit to sleep with pigs, but I s no, they said you weren't fit to sleep with pigs, but I said you were.

SPEAKER_00 39:46

Oh boy.

SPEAKER_01 39:49

As a what? Anyway, that's it. That's that's the only thing I can think of that gave me a little bit of a. Well, that's what I'm saying. That's the only thing that barely could make it on the radar fun.

SPEAKER_00 40:02

Yeah, no, there is a policy, or actually it's a um it's a red-on-white reference written by Hubbard that talks about jokers and degraders. Um, and as a result of that, um usually anytime someone would make jokes, they would get a knowledge report written on them for joking and degrading. And oh no, Catherine and I were talking about this when we got back from the comedy show. We're like, why does it have to be joking and degrading? Like, what if you're just joking? Or what if you're just degrading?

SPEAKER_02 40:34

Oh, that's true.

SPEAKER_00 40:35

Why do they have to be lumped together?

SPEAKER_02 40:37

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:37

As like automatically, if you're joking, you're joking and degrading.

SPEAKER_01 40:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:43

Anyway, it's just a weird weird oddity. So yeah, they lack joy.

SPEAKER_01 40:48

Did I show this one?

SPEAKER_00 40:50

Uh Brian, it's another lovely day in Portland, Oregon, and another empty day at the Portland org. Yay!

SPEAKER_02 40:57

Nice.

SPEAKER_00 40:57

Hooray. Uh, my fur first live. Oh, yeah, we did this one. Thank you for joining us, Katie. Um, Claire, didn't you you tell us that Shelly was upset with David Miscavige because he didn't do auditing? He stayed he started after she was disappeared. So, yes, I did say that and so this was in 1998. David Miscavige was losing his mind at the time.

SPEAKER_01 41:24

Just uh I mean he lost his mind all the time, but at this particular time it was because of He was having several tire uh little tantrums on a regular, regular, regular basis.

SPEAKER_00 41:35

Yeah, it was just a matter of what's it gonna be today. Um but at this time um the wrongful death of Lisa McPherson had a pending uh several pending lawsuits, actually. I think there was a criminal one and a civil one. Um and Shelley.

SPEAKER_01 41:53

Oh, there you go.

SPEAKER_00 41:55

No, how do you do not just uh Well, he's my son, so it bypasses all of that. Back to the question.

SPEAKER_01 42:04

I'm gonna say real quick. Grayson went on a trip. Yes, and he went by himself.

SPEAKER_00 42:12

He flew on the plane as an unaccompanied minor.

SPEAKER_01 42:15

Yeah. And he's he's not on the plane five minutes, and we get a picture of him sitting in the cockpit with the the person in the PIC.

SPEAKER_00 42:25

Yes, pilot in command.

SPEAKER_01 42:26

Pilot in command.

SPEAKER_00 42:27

He was in the second pilot seat.

SPEAKER_01 42:29

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 42:30

We were like, dude, this kiddo, he's super lucky. And then, yeah, anyway, he's having a blast. It's spring break, and um He's having a good old time. He's been yeah, he's having a really good time. But back to the topic at hand. Yes, in 1998, Shelly Miscavige was working to try and get David Miscavige some counseling, auditing. Um, in fact, he was going to go in session with Angie Trent because Shelley stated she was worried that David Miscavige was having a psychotic break. Um, and I don't know actually for sure that he did ever go back in session after that. To my knowledge, from what I've um heard in the last 20 years, if he did any auditing, it was auditing or counseling that he did on himself, not with another person involved.

SPEAKER_01 43:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:22

That's called solo auditing.

SPEAKER_01 43:24

Yeah. And he also he was redoing all the OTA materials and all he knew he was redoing all those materials. Yeah. And they would make packs and this and that and the other thing. So he was seeing them, whatever it was that you're supposed to do.

SPEAKER_00 43:40

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 43:41

Okay. Yahoo.

SPEAKER_00 43:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 43:44

Um it says is that why he disappeared her? I don't think that's why he disappeared her. It was a it was a number of things where she was basically doubting uh that he had it all together kind of.

SPEAKER_00 43:54

But Tom Cruise was a huge part of why she was disappeared, because she disapproved of their bromance. So Uh there's that.

SPEAKER_02 44:02

Yep.

OT Levels Xenu And Body Thetans

SPEAKER_00 44:03

Question. I've been following the aftermath for years and always wondered if some people leave after reaching the highest OT level with all that crazy Xenu and spaceship madness. Yeah, so Xenu comes into the picture when you do um the third upper level, the OT3. Um but to answer your question, yes, there are the I think the drop-off when people get to the highest OT level, which is OT8, is higher than any other level. Also, it's more expensive.

SPEAKER_01 44:34

But like Yeah, the percentage I that's true. But the percentage of people in Scientology, there is a large drop-off after clear. There's a large drop-off of after OT3. Yep. And then there's a a completely crazy drop-off on OT eight. Because if you've made it all the way to OT eight, the chances of you staying a Scientologist at that point are very minimal because there's nothing past that.

SPEAKER_00 45:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 45:02

And there's nothing for you to do.

SPEAKER_00 45:03

They've played all their cards. Like nothing left to show.

SPEAKER_01 45:06

Yeah. There's also been 27 different bait and switches. Like, oh, you know, I know you think you got rid of your reactive mind, but actually you created your reactive mind. Yeah, or then all these first you have to get rid of all these N theta thoughts, these N grams.

SPEAKER_02 45:25

Yep.

SPEAKER_01 45:25

And then now you have to get rid of aliens that are that have problems like that. Isn't that one where you they say no that aliens have uh different things that you have to get rid of that? Like if they did drugs or they didn't aliens this listen to this, guys. This is real. After you get rid of all the engrams, and then after you get rid of a bunch of aliens and you find out what they're doing, then you find out some of those aliens did drugs. And that's why you're doing weird stuff. And you gotta get you gotta somehow what do you do to the alien? How do you get him if he's already done drugs? What do you do?

SPEAKER_00 46:06

Yeah, no, so we need to back up for just a minute. OT3, the wall of fire. Yeah, you're it's like I I want to say, I think it was like a thousand hours is the minimum on that level that you're doing on yourself, and you're telepathically finding these body things that have stuck themselves to you. And sometimes they're clusters, which means that they're like combined, they're stuck to each other.

SPEAKER_01 46:31

Like 10,000 alien aliens.

SPEAKER_00 46:34

It could be unlimited, it could be two, but they're like compacted together. So they they've become one identity, but to help them escape, you have to unpack them first. But hold on, back on on topic. For OT3, the wall of fire, you do these thousands of hours, and when you're done, it's because you have no more body things. So, yay, you made it through the wall of fire. Boom. Okay, let's go on to OT4. But wait, there's more. You couldn't find them because they're associated with drugs and this, that, and the other thing.

SPEAKER_02 47:12

So it masked them.

SPEAKER_00 47:13

Yes, it masked them. Exactly. That's a good way to put it. You just weren't ready to find those ones yet. You thought they were all gone, but actually But on OT3 you got rid of all your aliens. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 47:24

And the end phenomena is I don't got any more body thetans messing with me.

SPEAKER_00 47:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 47:29

Okay. Just want to this is a these are major baitens, which is for sure.

SPEAKER_00 47:34

Um so then so then you get all you address all the ones that have issues with drugs, um, and then boom, you're done with OT4. Because OT4 is the OT drug rundown. And then OT5 is NED for OTs, new era dianetics for OTs. So now you're anyway, it's so complicated.

SPEAKER_01 47:58

But but you keep getting rid of aliens all the way up to OT7.

SPEAKER_00 48:02

Yes, all the way through OT7.

SPEAKER_01 48:04

So that's a lot of aliens.

SPEAKER_00 48:09

It is.

SPEAKER_01 48:10

We're talking, it could be thousands, tens of thousands, or millions of aliens that you have to get rid of.

SPEAKER_00 48:18

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:18

Millions.

SPEAKER_00 48:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 48:20

In one person.

SPEAKER_00 48:21

Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 48:23

I'm telling you, folks. This is not cool. Um, anyway, uh, I'm telling you, when the aliens come back to Earth.

SPEAKER_00 48:33

Trevinon says, it all makes sense now, Claire. Where do I sign up? That's why I say, this is why I say that it's the most elaborate case of the Emperor's new clothes. So this is why I say that.

SPEAKER_01 48:47

Anyway, if you're getting rid of aliens and so oh, and also, by the way, OT3 can take a couple of months to a year. You gotta do a thousand hours. Is that what you said?

SPEAKER_00 48:58

Yeah. Oh T three, yeah, minimum.

SPEAKER_01 49:00

Okay, so that could take a year or two.

SPEAKER_00 49:02

It might have been 300 hours. I don't remember. But I remember a specific amount of hours.

SPEAKER_01 49:07

That takes, let's say, a few months to a year.

SPEAKER_00 49:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:10

Then OT4 is very quick. It's basically just like a course where you learn about all this nonsense that you we just talked about. And then OT5, you do that, right?

SPEAKER_00 49:19

That no, so OT5, okay, yeah, that's a good point. So OT3 up to OT3, so one to three is solo auditing. So you literally are holding the cans yourself, you're keeping notes on yourself, you're writing worksheets, you're doing the commands, you're communicating with your body thetans telepathically.

SPEAKER_01 49:37

You're doing space coody conversations.

SPEAKER_00 49:40

Yeah, it's it's you're not saying anything, but you're doing like you're giving the command. Like, do you have an ARC break? And if you you look to see if you get a read, and if you do, but it's all like you're not saying anything.

SPEAKER_01 49:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 49:54

But you're writing down the doing the commands, but you're doing them in your mind. Yes. And you're sending your intention to the space cooties.

SPEAKER_00 50:02

Yes, and you're keeping track of what the needle on the dial is doing and all this. So that's OT1 to three. OT4, you do with an auditor. So somebody is delivering that to you.

SPEAKER_01 50:13

And they're asking you, hey, what about any have you? Do you have any space cooties that have done drugs?

SPEAKER_00 50:18

That's not the command.

SPEAKER_01 50:19

Do you are your spleen where your space cooti junkies are?

SPEAKER_00 50:24

How are your space cooties doing today?

SPEAKER_01 50:26

Um, and and your space cooties could be doing any kind of drugs.

SPEAKER_00 50:31

Yeah. Yeah. So usually the way that it starts is there's an assessment that is done of like uh that consists of all the drugs you've ever taken.

SPEAKER_01 50:41

Um and so you make that list for them.

SPEAKER_00 50:44

No, they make it for you from your folders because they have a record of every drug you've ever taken.

unknown 50:50

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 50:50

So then they even include other drugs too, as I rec recall.

SPEAKER_01 50:55

So that like if you like Novocaine?

SPEAKER_00 50:58

Oh yeah, for sure. LSD, Angel Dust.

SPEAKER_01 51:01

Novocaine and LSD are a little different.

SPEAKER_00 51:03

Well, I'm not sure.

SPEAKER_01 51:04

Okay, one's for a tooth, maybe.

SPEAKER_00 51:05

I know. I know I've the other one. Do you know what's funny? When I did the purification rundown, and then when I did the OT drug rundown, literally the only drug I had taken uh was Novocaine. I didn't even pure.

SPEAKER_01 51:22

I hadn't even drinked Did you get a numb mouth ever when you were in the to in the sauna?

SPEAKER_00 51:26

I did. And you know what's weird? I mean, this is a niacin thing, it's not a pure thing.

SPEAKER_01 51:31

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 51:32

But I had had extreme sunburn, of course, because look at Mark calls me Casper the Friendly Ghost. And so there were some burns that came out that uh from when I was when I got really badly burned when I first came to the US.

SPEAKER_01 51:47

Okie dokie.

SPEAKER_00 51:48

It was weird. Anyhow, but so OT4 is somebody, you know, you're the auditor, I'm the pre-clear. We're doing OT4 drug rundown. OT5 is the same, it's with an auditor, they're doing it on you.

SPEAKER_01 52:00

OT6 is But OT5 isn't isn't is the drugs again? OT5?

SPEAKER_00 52:04

No, that's new era diagram. Oh, that's right. That's new. Okay. And then uh OT6, you're now doing your more advanced training as a solo auditor to be able to audit yourself. And then OT7, again, you're solo auditing yourself.

SPEAKER_01 52:20

But to get rid of space cooties again.

SPEAKER_00 52:22

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 52:22

What is what's what is happening on OT6 and seven with those space cooties now?

SPEAKER_00 52:27

There's just more of them.

SPEAKER_01 52:28

But I thought you got rid of them already two times before. You got rid of them on OT3, you get rid of them on OT4, you get rid of them on OT5, and now we learn about how we're gonna do more solo auditing, and now boof, we got more space cooties. Yep. Another round of space cooties. Wow, it's like the fifth invasion. It's like what is this? What is slot?

SPEAKER_00 52:50

It's a lot, it's a lot, it's a lot.

SPEAKER_01 52:52

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_00 52:56

Anyway, that's not where we plan to go today, but that's all right.

SPEAKER_01 52:59

I know, right? Um dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun. This is the best, this is it.

SPEAKER_00 53:06

Okay. With such a dead end conclusion on OT8, how was he expecting to continue his cash flow? I know. Well, you know.

SPEAKER_01 53:14

This is where the donations and the statues. By the way, look what I did.

SPEAKER_00 53:19

Oh, look at that. I didn't even notice that. Oh my gosh. I love your stand for it. That's very fancy.

SPEAKER_01 53:28

You know, I figured out why it was so heavy.

SPEAKER_00 53:30

Why?

SPEAKER_01 53:30

It's marble. The whole bottom base is marble. That whole stand. Look, see how it's engraved? I thought there was a metal plate on there, and I was gonna get a new metal plate to take out all this Scientology nonsense and put on some nice.

SPEAKER_00 53:46

Can I read what's on there? That's ridiculous.

SPEAKER_01 53:48

Sure. You can read it if you can read it and go over there.

SPEAKER_00 53:52

Okay, it says the International Association of Scientologists, Platinum Meritorious. Quote. We rise.

SPEAKER_01 54:04

No, we risk for the first time.

SPEAKER_00 54:06

No.

SPEAKER_01 54:07

Yes, we rise for the first time in man's history to a new freedom.

SPEAKER_00 54:12

Unquote. L. Ron Hubbard. We rise for the first time in man's history to a new freedom. Whatever. Like, what does that actually mean? Maybe I mean that could have been said by, you know, the first astronauts, the first pilot.

SPEAKER_01 54:30

Anyway. And then it has the people's name on it who gave them. I think this is a million dollars.

SPEAKER_00 54:36

Yeah, I think so.

SPEAKER_01 54:37

Somebody if somebody knows out there, we did a video on it. We should have remembered. Um, Platinum Meritorious is uh I think it's a million buccarinis. Um my God. Yeah, so that's how they're getting all the money is from getting people to pay one million dollars.

SPEAKER_00 54:54

But guess what? That trophy says that they are champion, true champions of freedom.

SPEAKER_01 55:00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 55:00

True champions of freedom.

SPEAKER_01 55:03

Oh, this is a good one. Apostate Alex has figured it out.

SPEAKER_00 55:06

Why hasn't OT9 been released yet? Because OT789. See, you know what? Laughter is oxygen. Thank you for sharing that with us, Alex. That was quite funny.

SPEAKER_01 55:20

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_00 55:23

Okay. I think we did it. Okay, awesome.

SPEAKER_01 55:26

What time is it? We got it. We got it. Let's see. Let me I gotta get this over here. Oh, we can do a few more questions.

SPEAKER_00 55:32

Okay, awesome.

SPEAKER_01 55:33

Now that I've got them stuck down here.

OT Material Security And Volunteering

SPEAKER_00 55:35

Oh, Jackson's in the chat. I just it went by, but maybe you can pull up his thing and I'll we can read it. Hey Jackson, thanks for joining us. Uh double wide trailer out by OGH, old Gilman House. Michelle Yeager was the first student to use them, anywho. All right, no, that was not the comment I meant. This one. Hold on, I got it. Hey, you two, just got off work. Y'all are reminding me of the first OT course packs, Karsten, who was a security guard, and I designed and built so they were electronically monitored while stored, and while one was on course in the double wide trailers. Oh, yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 56:16

Yeah, basically after the Michelle was the first one to use them.

SPEAKER_00 56:20

Yes, after the OT level materials were stolen, um, they created a very elaborate security system whereby you literally had to plug in the material, you had to go into a room, the door had to lock behind you, and you had to plug in the materials before you could even open them.

SPEAKER_01 56:38

It was very and uh when there was a time where you had to take the course pack from the shelf, you had to take it to your desk. Once you unplugged the course pack, you had 30 seconds or you know, certain little limited amount of time to get to a desk and plug it in at the desk. Otherwise, all the doors in the O OT level rooms would all magnetically lock shut up.

SPEAKER_00 57:06

Yeah, and security would be called automatically and all that.

SPEAKER_01 57:08

They had the same things for the films. They had Mission Impossible.

SPEAKER_00 57:11

That was probably the inspiration for Mission Impossible. They had you know the the the thing where Tom Cruise is coming down on the wire in the room to steal the thing or whatever it was, I don't remember. And I'm not definitely not gonna watch it again.

SPEAKER_01 57:24

We had to see it three times, babe. I remember.

SPEAKER_00 57:25

I know.

SPEAKER_01 57:26

Um when uh when you would put in a 16 millimeter film, the binder was the thing that plugged in. So as soon as you took it off the shelf and would open it, you have to put the film up and then close the thing and put it. It was like for a 16 millimeter film.

SPEAKER_00 57:43

Yeah, you had and and it was one of these things like you once you took it off the took the materials off the shelf, you had 60 seconds to plug it into the table, otherwise the alarms would go off. It was very, very elaborate.

SPEAKER_01 57:56

Yes. Oh, here's one.

SPEAKER_00 57:59

Uh is there anyone we can contact in Australia to help the Aftermath Foundation? Um if you send an email to contact at the aftermath foundation.org, then we can help you. I'm not quite sure if you're if if that's meaning to volunteer for the Aftermath Foundation or if there's someone who needs help.

SPEAKER_01 58:17

But either way, can't they go to the volunteer page on the Aftermath Foundation and sign up as a volunteer? Yes. They still have that?

SPEAKER_02 58:23

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 58:24

Yeah, so you can just go to the site. You go to the aftermath uh website and the link's in the description below. We should put a link to Sarah's thing below too, the book.

SPEAKER_00 58:33

Oh, yes, absolutely. Yeah, we talked about a little bit Colti's book. We'll add that link, the Amazon link to the video description. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 58:42

We did it.

SPEAKER_00 58:42

Oh, yes, to volunteer. Yes, go to the um aftermath website. Yes. Thank you, Sasha. I appreciate the clarification. Oh question. Here, I see one more question that I can answer.

SPEAKER_01 58:54

Jam it. Do it.

SPEAKER_00 58:55

Okay.

SPEAKER_01 58:56

Do what you need to do.

SPEAKER_00 58:58

Uh, question Will Claire's book include pictures? Your wedding video really put it into perspective that you were kids and all this nonsense. Oh my gosh. I mean, and that's already when Are you gonna be pictures in this book? I haven't decided yet.

SPEAKER_01 59:13

Dr. D.

SPEAKER_00 59:14

Rail and it's the end of his uh Dr. D Rail Patience uh Patience allocation for the yeah. Um No, you we weren't. Anyway, just gonna say, wow, you thought I was young then. You should have seen how old I was when I was.

SPEAKER_01 59:32

There's a link, and we'll put a link in the description.

SPEAKER_00 59:34

Oh yes, thank you, Clara. Back on track.

SPEAKER_01 59:36

Yeah, back on track. Basically the aftermath foundation.org forward slash volunteer.

SPEAKER_00 59:40

Okay, hold on. One last one. Becky, if you cruise, you lose. Sorry, couldn't help myself.

Closing Thanks And Support Links

SPEAKER_01 59:50

Okay, it's been real. Cool, awesome. Um, if you guys want to um say thanks, bye, make funny comments, whatever. Um, I usually will put those on during the outro because I'm still sitting here until that thing ends. So uh anyway. Till next time, guys. Thanks.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:09

Bye.

SPEAKER_01 1:00:11

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