Space Cootie Detector Built By Ten-Year-Olds

You’re told the Scientology e-meter is a “religious artifact” and a precision guide for spiritual counseling, but nobody ever wants you to look inside it. So we do the one thing Scientologists are NOT allowed to do: we open an e-meter on camera, read Scientology’s own technical definitions, and then compare the mythology to the wiring, boards, connectors, and the policies that keep members paying and compliant.

We talk through how the e-meter is used in Scientology auditing and confessionals, how needle reactions steer questioning, and why certain reads like a “rock slam” can have terrifying consequences inside the Sea Org. We also explain why the FDA disclaimer plate exists, what “silver certification” is, and how the whole “high-tech” narrative holds up when you factor in rushed production, calibration backlogs, and the reality of off-the-shelf components. If you’ve ever wondered how an electropsychometer becomes a tool of control, this is the practical breakdown that makes it click.

Then we pivot to the newer Mark VIII era: online check-ins, bricking, tracking, and the way hardware and surveillance can merge into a closed system. Along the way we answer live questions, cover the infamous pinch test, and share behind-the-scenes stories from Golden Era Productions that put the meter’s price tag in a totally different light.

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Transcript

Welcome And Why Open It

SPEAKER_04 0:25

Hey everybody, welcome back to Blown for Good, Scientology Exposed. I'm here today with my lovely wife, Claire.

SPEAKER_00 0:33

Hi, everybody. Happy Sunday. Good to see everybody here. Thanks for joining us today.

SPEAKER_04 0:39

Today we have a very exciting episode.

SPEAKER_00 0:42

We sure do. Oh my goodness. Buckle up.

Scientology’s Official E-Meter Definition

SPEAKER_04 0:46

So we promised that we would get an e-meter and we'd open it up for you guys and show you what was inside that little puppy. And um, before we get into the e-meter, we got it right here, ready to be ripped open. Um why don't you tell them their Scientology, um they have a dictionary. They have actually a few dictionaries. They have a management dictionary and then they have a technical dictionary. Yeah. And why don't you go ahead and read them the definition of an e-meter per their dictionary?

SPEAKER_00 1:16

Yes. All right. So here we go. E-meter one. The e-meter is a religious artifact used as a spiritual guide in the church confessional. It is an aid to the auditor, minister, student, pastoral, counselor into a communication locating areas of spiritual travail and indicating spiritual well-being in an area. Hubbard electrometer, an electronic instrument for measuring mental state and change of state in individuals as an aid to precision and speed in auditing. The e-meter is not intended or effective for the diagnosis, treatment, or prevention of any disease. Oh, but OT5 cures cancer. Not, but according to L. Ron Hubbard.

SPEAKER_04 2:08

We'll do a little bit more.

SPEAKER_00 2:09

All right, we'll break it down. Okay. Three. Use to verify the preclear's gain and register when each separate auditing action is ended. Electropsychometer is another word for it. The meter tells you what the preclear's mind is doing when the preclear is made to think of something. The meter registers before the preclear becomes conscious of the datum. It is therefore a pre-conscious meter. It passes a tiny current through the preclear's body. This current is influenced by the mental masses, pictures, circuits, and machinery machinery. When the unclear PC thinks of something, these mental items shift and this registers on the meter. There you go. That's in Scientology on, or actually Hubbard's words, on the e-meter.

FDA Raid And The Disclaimer Plate

SPEAKER_04 2:59

Yeah. Well, now this part that they said where it doesn't diagnose or cure any medical ailments, they had to put that in because in the 50s, the FDA raided a Scientology uh center, I think it was in Washington, D.C. And they took all the e-meters. Because at the time, Hubbard was slinging this idea that if you were clear, then you would you wouldn't have any ailments. You could cure any of your ailments. And the way they were getting people clear was they were using an e-meter. So in order for them to get the e-meters, there was a legal case that went on for years, but they actually had to put a plate on the back of the e-meter. It says in the in the law, in this in the thing, that it actually has to be on the front of the e-meter that says this device doesn't do any of this. Scientology kind of snuck around and put it on the back of the e-meter.

SPEAKER_01 3:55

Yep.

Confession Tool To OT3 Alien Hunting

SPEAKER_04 3:55

But it says right on the e-meter that it doesn't do it doesn't cure any medical illnesses, and that's because the FDA required them to put that on there. Uh mental issues. Anyway, but the way the e-meter is positioned in Scientology is as a highly technical precision instrument that they use. And to be fair, most run-of-the-mill Scientologists don't know that this is also a space CODI dividing rod. They don't know that. They only know when they get uh confessionals that they ask you a question, you're holding the cans, the the auditor or the counselor or the interrogator has the meter in front of them and um and they're running the meter and they're asking you questions about something. And depending on the way the the e-meter reads, they go down a line of questions, questioning or they say, Oh, what was that? What did you just think right there?

SPEAKER_01 5:09

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 5:10

And that's how they sort of zero in on your transgressions. Now, once you get up, when do you start auditing? When do you start auditing when do you start using this as a space cooti dividing rod? When do you try to hunt down aliens with the e-meter?

SPEAKER_00 5:26

Um on OT3.

SPEAKER_04 5:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 5:28

So on Operating Thetan level three.

SPEAKER_04 5:31

Okay, good. So if you are talking to a Scientologist and or if you're a Scientologist, you're watching this and you're like, that's not for finding space cooties. That's because you ain't to OT3 yet. When you get to OT3, that's when you learn how to find space cooties with this thing. And the the reason they had to keep upgrading, this is how David Miscavige sells it, and this is how it was explained to me. And to be fair, I have I am trained. I did that professional TRs course, and I did the e-meter course where you learn how to operate an e-meter, and then I did a method one co-audit, which I had to audit somebody else for many, many weeks and weeks and weeks, every single day using an e-meter, and we were actually clearing misunderstood words. And the only way you can be done is if you have a floating needle.

SPEAKER_01 6:22

Right.

SPEAKER_04 6:23

And so we would have to go for hours and hours on this thing. And I was with another person, and and this is all in my book. I'm pretty sure I wrote I did tell spike I did explain all this in the book, too, right? Most of it. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway. Blow for good behind the iron curtain Scientology. Um anyway. So I know how this works. But not only do I know how it works, I shot every single film that Scientology produced on how the e-meter works, how to use the e-meter, how to use the e-meter in drilling, in coaching.

SPEAKER_00 7:00

You need to every every needle reaction, the e-meter reads for every needle reaction of the e-meter, exactly. Which there are multiple.

SPEAKER_04 7:08

And if you go in on our channel and the videos that Mitch Brisker and I did where we talk about that, we talk about how when you're filming how the e-meter works, you can't use a real person to make those reads. And what we had was we had an old laptop, an old Mac laptop, like a really old MacBook, like the ones that were black plastic, like an oldie. And it had all these sound files in it. And instead of hooking up the cans of the electrodes that the person holds, we just plugged an audio cable into the same exact jack. It's a TRS jack, a tip ring sleeve or a guitar plug, for example.

SPEAKER_00 7:49

Okay, now he's nerding out, folks. Anyway. Here we go.

SPEAKER_04 7:52

Anyway. Um, so we would plug that into it, and when when something was supposed to happen on the needle while they were filming it on th 35 millimeter film, I would just push play on the laptop, and it would make the exact needle, the needle do the exact read that we needed it to do.

SPEAKER_00 8:10

So this was even like pre-simulator.

SPEAKER_04 8:13

Oh, 100%. There's there was no that now they have a thing for when you're when you're in Scientology and you're learning how to use the e-meter, they have a box, and that's where they got the idea for this. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 8:24

I know, that's what I'm realizing as you're talking.

SPEAKER_04 8:27

And they put it in a box, and you could just push a button and it would do the read, the exact read the way it was supposed to look.

SPEAKER_01 8:33

Yeah.

How Training And Filming Faked Reads

SPEAKER_04 8:34

Anyway, all that to tell you that they bill this as a very highly technical precision instrument that can only be worked on by C org members that are highly trained in how the e-meter works and how to calibrate it and all that stuff. Right. And the where that happened was in the manufacturing division of Golden Era Productions, which I also worked in. And many a time, the Scientologists that use these, they have to get them certified every year. Every year they have to send it to Golden Era Productions and it has to go through the uh the e-meter uh production line and it has to be tested and calibrated and make sure it's all up to snuff. They charge you$150 plus shipping.

SPEAKER_00 9:25

And this was known as silver certification.

SPEAKER_04 9:29

Yeah, the silver cert line.

SPEAKER_00 9:30

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 9:31

Now, for many, many years, nobody would send their e-meters to Golden Air Productions because if they sent it there, they'd never get it back. Because Golden Air Productions just had stacks and stacks of these e-meters everywhere. And so and it used to be at Bridge Publications in Los Angeles used to do this, and then they moved it to Golden Air Productions in the middle of the California desert. And um because that'd be so much easier to get in and out of. So when they when they would send them in, it would take sometimes months or even a year for them to get their e-meter back. So David Miscavige instituted a new rule, and that was any e-meter that came in had to be in and out of Golden Era Productions in 48 hours. And it was called the 48-hour line. And so if the 100 meters came in, a hundred meters had to go out in the next 48 hours, and they would log them the time they came in, and if one meter went over, then everybody in the meter department, their stats would be counted as zero or minuses or penalty points or whatever. Now, there was only so many people that worked on this line, and the same people that were responsible for checking and making sure existing meters that were being used by Scientologists were up to snuff, but they were the also the same people that made new e-meters for new people that wanted to buy them. And the way that that area was staffed, they could either do one or the other. They could never do both. So if if orgs were running out of e-meters and Goldenera needed to make more, then they'd have to work on making them. And then if a whole bunch of e-meters came in, they it was like, nope, we're not making new new meters because we've got to get these, we only have 48 hours to get these things. And so it was always this constant struggle. So what they did, this highly precision instrument. In Golden Air Productions, we'd have this thing called all hands. Now, in the C organization, anybody who's in the C organization in Scientology, those are the billion con billion-year contract folks. They all have all hands. Whatever area is not pulling their own way, everybody piles into that area or division, and they do the work that those people are supposed to do until everything's caught up.

unknown 12:05

Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00 12:05

Yeah, which is according to the policy on not duns, half duns, and backlogs. This is Hubbard writing on what you do if there's any kind of a backlog in an organization.

SPEAKER_04 12:18

And they he specifically says in there, you call in all hands.

SPEAKER_00 12:22

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 12:23

Okay. So well I thought this was a tr a highly precision instrument that only trained. Yeah. So now here you go. You got this guy who's been calibrating e-meters and s or sealing e-meters or making the wire harnesses or whatever. That's his job. He knows what he's doing.

SPEAKER_00 12:46

Well, but maybe.

SPEAKER_04 12:47

Well, for the most part. They they've done hundreds and hundreds of them. They get pretty good at doing what they're doing.

SPEAKER_01 12:52

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 12:52

But then this guy he can't do that many. So what you do is you get the guy who cuts the lawns. He comes in and he just takes over. Yep. He doesn't work on e-meters. He d he doesn't even know anything about it. But the guy who does do it says, hey, you check this, you check that, you hook it up to this thing. If it says it's good, you pass it on to the next station.

SPEAKER_01 13:17

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 13:18

And then the next guy, oh, that's the guy that that he's electric. He's an electrician. He normally is installing outlets in new buildings or or fixing broken outlets.

SPEAKER_00 13:27

Hey, I did all hands too.

Silver Certification And The 48-Hour Line

SPEAKER_04 13:29

There you go. Or some ginger from the qualifications division jumps in. Now I myself, because I was a quality control over manufacturing, so I had to be trained in how to do every single one of those stations. And so I knew how to do wire harnesses, I knew how to do wave soldering to make the circuit boards. I knew how to do sealing. I know how to do all plastics. I knew how to do every single part of this thing. And because I worked in the manufacturing division for many years, I was at many an all hands where we would jump in and do the same thing.

SPEAKER_01 14:03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:04

But then it became such a regular occurrence that they could never keep up.

SPEAKER_01 14:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 14:12

But David Miscavige himself came up with the ultimate solution. Instead of worrying about always having an all hands or having to get people from other divisions to come in, let's just have the kids from the ranch that lived about 15, 20 minutes from the property. Instead of doing all that nonsense school stuff during the day, they just drive over to the base, get dropped off, and they make they can make e-meters all day. And so for many I would say for at least a year or two, maybe longer, maybe shorter, there were 10-year-olds making these things. 10-year-olds, 12-year-olds, eight-year-olds. If you were a kid and you were at the international ranch, the children of C organization members that were pace posted at the international headquarters, they were the ones making these e-meters. They were making the wires, they were putting the boards together, they were doing everything that the Sea Org members that had been there for years and years and years were doing. And this they got trained the same way. They said, hey, here's a solder iron, here's the parts you need to solder, here's get going, here's what you do. Okay. So the fact that they touted it as this highly precision device, it was not treated like a highly precision device.

SPEAKER_00 15:35

No, no, nothing says precision instrument like illegal child labor.

SPEAKER_04 15:42

Now, oh I got some I got some show and tell stuff. So let me just make sure I've got my my props here. Oh yeah, here it is. Sorry. Sorry, guys. Just a little discombobulated here. Okay. Have we explained it good enough, I think?

SPEAKER_00 15:59

I think so.

SPEAKER_04 16:00

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 16:00

If we didn't cover anything, drop your questions in the chat and we'll cover that at the end.

SPEAKER_04 16:06

Okay, let's get to it. Now, when you're in the Hubbard Electro Meter Manufacturing, it's called HEM.

SPEAKER_00 16:12

Hem.

SPEAKER_04 16:12

Hem. That's what we called it. Hem.

SPEAKER_00 16:15

Scientology loves a macronym.

SPEAKER_04 16:17

They do. Now, if you're in HEM, all of the desks are covered with like this kind of foamy workstation. And you had to and you did have to strap in to like a grounding wire when they first built the place. Nobody ever strapped into those golden those grounding wires. After the first six months of this place being open, they're just like, whatever. Oh, totally forgot about this. If you've ever been to a precision electronics manufacturing warehouse, they have tile. And the reason why they have tile is because if you have carpet, when you walk across carpet, you you generate static electricity. The entire Hubbard Electro Manufacturing Assembly line and calibration line, all carpet, baby.

unknown 17:12

All carpet.

SPEAKER_00 17:14

Anyway, they had so did anyone ever get electrocuted?

SPEAKER_04 17:17

Is that why they're no no if you have static and then you touch a chip or if you touch a blow it. It's not good for it.

SPEAKER_00 17:25

Yeah. Okay.

All Hands Chaos And Child Labor Claims

SPEAKER_04 17:26

You don't want to let the smoke out. Anyway.

SPEAKER_00 17:30

Oh dear.

SPEAKER_04 17:31

But they had soft workstations because you don't want to scratch the e-meter when you're working up on it.

SPEAKER_00 17:36

Yeah, especially not the gold, silver, bronze plated.

SPEAKER_04 17:39

Oh, those you had to have cloths and it was a whole other thing. Anyway, we're going to switch over here, guys. You ready for this?

SPEAKER_00 17:46

Okay, now the fun begins.

SPEAKER_04 17:48

There you go. And and I I do have a soft, I have a Xeno in the Body Theta's desk band under here.

SPEAKER_01 17:53

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 17:54

Um let's just make sure we get the good view there. Okay. So this is a Mark Super 7 quantum. Okay? And this is what it looks like. Okay, so this is the needle dial. This is where your needle's either a rock slam or a floating needle or a tick or a long fall or a shortfall or long fall blowdown.

SPEAKER_00 18:17

There's a data bop. There's a lot.

SPEAKER_04 18:19

There's a lot. Yeah. You don't need to know all that. If this thing moves around a certain way. Yeah. This thing certs moves around a certain way, you're either good to go, or you're not good to go. This is the tone arm. This is what adjusts the needle on the dial when it moves all over the place. And you've got to adjust to keep it in the in the in the middle of the dial here.

SPEAKER_00 18:42

And then this is a Well and also on the for the tone arm, constantly throughout when you're keeping worksheets, because when you're using an e-meter, no matter what you're using it for, you have to keep worksheets and say exactly what's happening. Yeah. And you have to say what reactions happen, what the position of the tone arm was, everything.

SPEAKER_04 19:01

So this right here, and there's all these little readouts in here. One of these is just date and time.

SPEAKER_00 19:07

The top one is date and time.

SPEAKER_04 19:09

Yeah. This one is where the tone arm is.

SPEAKER_00 19:12

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 19:12

And then this one is the total amount. So every time you bring the tone arm down like this, it counts here. It keeps a count of every time it went the other way. And this is the total tone. When you're done with something, you have to report what the total tone arm action of the session was, and it'll give you a little reading here of what the total was.

SPEAKER_00 19:37

And that's TAA. Tone arm action.

SPEAKER_04 19:41

Telling you guys, we're we we know what our we know what we're talking about here. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 19:45

We're a bottomless well of useless fun facts.

SPEAKER_04 19:48

And then this is just the sensitivity, whether you're low, normal, or high, on, off, and test. You can see this one's just got a little bit of juice left in it. It's just just oh, give me some.

SPEAKER_00 19:58

It's not quite better than a doornail, but it's pretty darn close.

SPEAKER_04 20:01

And this, when you first start the session, you put it on 2.0, and it's supposed to be right on set. And this is what you do to trim it to make sure it's perfectly on set when you start.

SPEAKER_01 20:11

Yep.

The Mark Super 7 Tour

SPEAKER_04 20:12

Okay. You guys want to get into this? Let's get into it. Okay. Now that was pretty good. It's easy to get into the phone. Oh, also, by the way, you get this little fun thing here. Now you guys might be saying, Well, how can you operate this thing and look for space cooties? Well, they have this little plug here in the back. Okay? And that plugs into what's called a remote tone arm. And when you're in a session hunting down space cooties, you're by yourself.

SPEAKER_00 20:44

Yeah. So literally you are holding the two cans in your one hand.

SPEAKER_04 20:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 20:50

Um, and therefore you can't also be operating the tone arm. So you have a a remote tone arm that connects, and that way you can adjust it with your thumb.

SPEAKER_04 20:58

Oh, you can adjust it with the hand that you're holding here, too.

SPEAKER_00 21:02

Right.

SPEAKER_04 21:02

You can adjust it with the hand that's holding the cans because your other hand's writing.

SPEAKER_00 21:08

Uh yeah, that no, you don't mess with the one holding the cans. You sure? I'm sure. I did what, 300 hours of freaking hunting.

SPEAKER_04 21:16

Holy, that makes a lot of sense, guys. Anyway, so you have this little thing that you plug into it. That's also where the charger is. And then there's another special fancy connector right here, this little black guy. It's a little micro DB9 connector. And that would hook up to a system called the look listen in system. And so if you were operating a meter and you were sec you were security checking, interrogating somebody, it would be recorded. And not only would they record the video on two different cameras, they would have a camera that showed the e meter dial and the close up of everything that was happening on the e meter, but then they'd also have a camera of the person and And then they'd have a microphone in the desk or somewhere in the room that could pick up all the everything that the person's saying. But then they would also record the exact needle reaction on the e-meter, and all of that would be saved into a file that they could then play back.

SPEAKER_01 22:16

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 22:16

And they could play it back on an e-meter to see exactly what it did. So they would know. Because sometimes the auditor says, oh, this happened, and that's not what happened.

SPEAKER_00 22:26

Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 22:27

So then they have to double check.

SPEAKER_00 22:30

Yeah. In fact, starting in gosh, what was that? I think 1995 is when or 94-95 is when the camera usage in auditing sessions became a huge thing.

SPEAKER_02 22:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:43

Because there was a there was also with that the onslaught of a massive amount of auditors being sent to the rehabilitation project force for falsely calling floating needles.

SPEAKER_04 22:54

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 22:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:55

Yeah. Okay. So if you want to rip this puppy open, there's these two little bumpers, three little bumpers on the back. You just peel those out. And then um there's just a Phillips screw. Just a thrillip screw, and he's I already done took them out. Let's get into it.

SPEAKER_00 23:10

We're so prepared.

Remote Tone Arm And Look Listen In

SPEAKER_04 23:11

Okay, now here's what we got, guys. Now I don't know how familiar you guys are with electronics, but these are some ancient, ancient technology circuit boards here. I brought well, I'll sh I'll just explain it to you. See, these are all the connectors. This is all made by the wire harness department. All these little these Molexes that are here that connect to the different the different knobs and the dial and all that stuff, those are all made at Golden Air Productions. And then they they make these cables up and then they solder them to these individual parts. Now, if you're 10, maybe you know how to solder. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 23:55

I don't know how I don't know how many solder classes you went to when you were 10, but um our kids know how to solder, but I don't think that's really uh Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 24:04

Well, yeah, but our kids solder things. They do they solder for because that's what they do. Um dear. Anyway, what we got in here, this is the battery right here. Okay. There are I wanna say it's about three or four um I wanna probably like C batteries. That's probably what they would be equivalent to. It's a pack of just batteries. It has a a cable coming off of it that you plug in. Um this is the dial. This is the back side of the dial. And on this one it says OKED right on the dial. It says okay. Does it have an initial? I don't know. It might have an initial, it might have somebody's initials under there. I could open that up, but who cares? Um now this is the motherboard right here, this big doggy right here. And then there's another board under here, which is the daughter board. There is a display.

SPEAKER_00 24:59

Is this mother and daughter board?

SPEAKER_04 25:01

Yeah. Well, because this is a little one. It can't be the motherboard. If it's a little one, it's got to be a daughter board.

unknown 25:06

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 25:07

Um and then you've got your charge board here. This is your uh charging circuit here. Um, this is the interconnect to that special um connection that goes to the uh whatchamacallit?

SPEAKER_00 25:21

The look listen in system.

SPEAKER_04 25:22

The look listen in system and the remote tone arm. So the one of these controls the the needle, just like if you were controlling it on the meter. Yep. And then the other one is feeding into that circuit. So it's it's telling that what it was.

SPEAKER_00 25:39

Somebody says, Radio Shack lives.

SPEAKER_04 25:41

Oh yeah, no, this is Radio Shack is way above this. Okay, folks. Um Okay. Now, the thing I was going to show you guys is that not only is this ancient, if you go and open up used to be if you tried to buy an e-meter on eBay, there was somebody from uh basically volunteer Scientologists that were buying up everything and then they would just send it into the church so that that none of this stuff got out in the wild. But if you go on eBay right now and search e-meter, Hubbard e-meter, or Scientology e-meter, there's five or six of those puppies right up on there right now.

SPEAKER_01 26:18

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 26:18

And some of the ones that are up there are the Mark VI meter, which came out before this.

SPEAKER_01 26:23

Yes.

Cracking It Open And Parts Breakdown

SPEAKER_04 26:24

The Mark VI meter is almost identical to this one. Almost. And a lot of these circuit boards and a lot of this tech is still was from the Mark Super or Mark VI meter, and then they made a Mark VII, and then they upgraded the Mark VII to be a Mark VII quantum. Which they just put some extra circuit shit in here. It did that, that's all. It was nothing else. They put a they they redid some electronics and they slapped a badge on it that said Super 7 quantum.

SPEAKER_00 26:57

Right.

SPEAKER_04 26:58

Now, a lot of these parts on these circuit boards, they are Oh, wait a minute.

SPEAKER_00 27:04

You just reminded me. So when they released the quantum, yeah, didn't they have an option where instead of forcing you to buy a whole new e-meter, they would upgrade your existing e-meter and then put a new label on it.

SPEAKER_04 27:17

Yeah, that's when all the trouble started. Because now you gotta make new e-meters. Now you gotta silver cert e-meters, and now you gotta turn all those old meters into these new quantum meters. Yes. It was a giant cluster.

SPEAKER_01 27:31

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 27:32

Okay. Now, circuit boards. All of these parts, these big honkin parts, they have little electrodes on on them that go into the circuit board, and they have to be all those parts have to be placed into the circuit board, and then it rolls along a solder bath and it solders all those connections. And then they have a saw at the end that cuts off all the extra leads that are going through the circuit board, and it just makes them come out just a little teeny bit. That is an old type of circuit board technology. That's not what we do anywhere now for the most part. And the reason and what I wanted to show you was this is a circuit that my company made in 2006.

SPEAKER_01 28:22

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 28:23

This is a circuit board that my company made in 2006. This e-meter was certif was given a silver cert. This one that we have could have been from a storage unit, could have been from eBay, could have been from anywhere.

SPEAKER_00 28:37

Could have been from the dumpster, you know, whatever.

SPEAKER_04 28:39

Yeah. This one, I mean, I've got a million-dollar statue somebody had. Okay. That was a million bucks it cost them to get that. This was only$3,500 to$5,000.

SPEAKER_01 28:49

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 28:49

Okay. This circuit board doesn't have those kind of parts, except for these parts that are that need to have some rigidity to them. All of the rest of these are surface mount parts that are soldered right on to the top of the board. And you can see these parts on here, these little teeny ones I'm pointing to. How close can you get? Um, those are the same parts that are on this, except these are just nineteen seventies, nineteen eighties style, and these are this is 2000 style. So even a circuit board that I made for my company before this was made was still higher tech than this thing.

SPEAKER_00 29:29

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 29:30

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 29:31

So now So precision is relative. This is precision.

SPEAKER_04 29:36

Yeah, I mean, oh my god, look at this. This so this button, look, this this thing is just wiggling loose. It's not even tight.

SPEAKER_01 29:42

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 29:43

Somebody flunked the rune on this. All these things just pull off. This is like a volume knob. You see? This little trim knob, somebody didn't tighten that nut good enough. And that's why it just popped off. And these things, these things are oh, these are just a giant pain in everybody's ass. Um there you go. Now it's back on. But these all pull off. Oh god. When you're fixing the e-mir, you take all these off. Because you gotta get out, you've got to get in. There's a special tool for pulling these out, but I can do it with my with your fingers.

SPEAKER_00 30:14

There you go.

SPEAKER_04 30:14

See, so um it's just a bunch of pots, of potentiometers that change the electrical value that's going through that part. Now, this is the Mark Quantum, this is the Mark Super 7 badge they put on there. This is literally, look at that, it's popped right off. Uh just pop this on. It's just got a little bit of 3M double stick glue.

SPEAKER_00 30:35

Honey, Clara said, I bet Mark could rebuild it and contact Xenu directly.

SPEAKER_04 30:39

You know what? Xinu, he is so far above any of this tech. I don't know how they would find him with one of these, man. He's an he's a galactic overlord. Capable of light year travel, okay? We shouldn't be making this guy mad. We should be like taking him out the meals and stuff.

SPEAKER_01 30:58

Jesus.

SPEAKER_04 30:59

Whining and dining.

SPEAKER_01 31:00

Whining and dining, exactly.

Old Electronics And Cost Markups

SPEAKER_04 31:01

Anyway, so it's really simple, guys. It's literally not that big of a deal. And you know what's kind of funny? One of the people that watches our streams, his name's on the patent for this thing. Okay? It's not, it's not. He he's probably the first to tell you it ain't that high tech.

SPEAKER_00 31:24

Nope.

SPEAKER_04 31:25

Now, the this e-meter with all of these parts made by children and parts ordered on rush basis, because you know, we'd be we'd be making something, and then there they don't have a five, whatever this is. They don't have a four-pin Molex. We ran out of four-pin Molexes. That's it. Everything shuts down. We can't make anymore. We don't have any more four-pin Molexes. And so they'd have to rush order some a hundred pack of four-pin Molexes or whatever it is. Now you got you got three three pin, and these are big ones. You got f uh four pin, which is a big one, then you get this little smaller size one that's got a six-pin on it. There's a gazillion of these.

SPEAKER_00 32:09

Aaron Powell This reminds me of the kits that they have now for kids, like, oh, learn to build circuits when you're four years old.

SPEAKER_04 32:16

Those are more high-tech than this. Okay. Anyway, they would there the logistics of putting these together was horribly planned, and there was always something that they were running out of and had to order rush.

SPEAKER_01 32:32

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 32:32

Okay. All that said, doing it that way, when they averaged out the cost to build one of these, it came up to$400. It was not supposed to be$400, but it ended up being$400.

SPEAKER_00 32:47

It wouldn't have been$400 if they planned efficiently and tracked inventory and did all the things that normal widget companies do, right?

SPEAKER_04 32:56

Totally.

SPEAKER_00 32:57

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 32:57

Anyway, David Miscavige went into great detail basically dressing us down because it cost$400. It should only cost it should have only cost around$150,$200.

SPEAKER_01 33:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 33:12

But all those extra things made it cost more. Granted, they were still charging$3,500 for these things back in the day.

SPEAKER_01 33:20

Right.

SPEAKER_04 33:20

And these now are outlawed. I'm pretty sure. You can't use these anymore. You have to use the Mark VIII quantum.

SPEAKER_00 33:28

Right. And there's no upgrade to make this into one of those.

SPEAKER_04 33:32

Yeah, and I do want to say this. When these were being made, the other meter was already out. They already had made it.

SPEAKER_00 33:40

Right. But they hadn't released it.

SPEAKER_04 33:42

They hadn't released it, but they had it. And it was in a warehouse in Los Angeles, thousands and thousands of them. And they didn't come out with it, but they let everybody buy up the stock of all the old e-meters, the Mark 7 e-meters. And then as soon as they ran out, but that's probably how it went. When they ran out, then they were like, okay, good. Now we can release the new one. And then they're like, oh, that that old one's bad now. I bought that thing two years ago. Nope. Piece of junk.

SPEAKER_01 34:10

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 34:12

Trevor Burrus, Jr. They were, I think at one point, David Miscavige was thinking about making like an e-meter eBay that was run by Scientology. And it would it would be a way for Scientologists to sell their old e-meters, and then somebody in Africa could buy it. Or somebody in a in a place where they couldn't afford to get a$5,000 quantum. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_00 34:34

Right. Remember pretty in I think it was the early 2000s when they did a comeback of the Mark V for that purpose.

SPEAKER_04 34:44

Well that was really for student auditing. The Mark V was for people that were learning how to use the e-meter.

SPEAKER_00 34:51

I thought it was for um economically challenged areas.

SPEAKER_04 34:55

Aaron Powell Maybe. It wasn't that cheap either.

SPEAKER_00 34:57

Aaron Ross Powell No, it was not.

SPEAKER_04 34:59

But you know what I will say? Much higher tech than this one. Yeah. Because we made that one new. And it didn't have all this nonsense in it. It was very, very simple.

SPEAKER_01 35:08

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 35:09

Anyway, it didn't have all the digital readouts and all that stuff. So it really didn't have that much computer processing happening in there that this one has to have for all really for the silly LED displays. And all the counting and all that. The counter on the Mark V is was mechanical. When it would count down, it would it would be mechanical. It would have a little dial that kept track on the actual uh mechanism.

SPEAKER_01 35:36

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 35:37

Anyway, the most expensive part of this is this dial. I'm pretty sure these dials, at least the dial alone, used to be like 70 bucks or 90 bucks or something. So majority of the cost was in this one item. And they would they would get rejected all the time because they'd have a dust in there. These are specially made for Scientology. There's not uh there's not another thing that has this dial like this, and it has a non-glare uh surface, and it's very fancy for Radio Shek, ham, ham radio kit. Um and then um what else? Hmm. I think that's really about it. Now, this new, like even this one says Mark, yeah, Mark 7 Charger right hand. Oh, yeah, that's what I was gonna say. So not only do they have right hand versions, this is a right hand version. So if I'm an auditor, I'm oh here, it's got a little kickstand in the back. If I'm an auditor, here I'll just this way. You put it on the kickstand, and then you operate it with your left hand here, and then you take the session notes with your right hand. So this is a right-hand meter. Now if you're a left or if you're a southpaw, this whole thing is flipped to the other side. That's right. And then so you can operate it uh with your left hand and your or your right hand and then your writing with your left hand.

SPEAKER_01 37:08

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 37:08

Um, this is a special edition. This one says, give me that. This one says Planetary dissemination version. So this was a special one that they charged more money for. Special. And the and the and what makes it special is this little thing right here. You take this off, it's not special anymore. Put that on it. Special. Um they would have them in different colors. Like this is like a uh, I want to say this is like a speckle. It's it's got like a kind of Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 37:45

Most of them, the the basic series is just a matte like matte black or matte white or you know, not sparkly like this.

SPEAKER_04 37:55

And Golden Era Productions is doing everything. So in this one, there's an area in Hem, the Hubbard Electro Manu Meter Manufacturing. And there was a dude in there named Niels. It's a really tall swede. And um and he was this Niels? Yeah, it was Neils. He got out of there.

SPEAKER_00 38:16

Okay, good.

SPEAKER_04 38:18

And he would put these little inserts in here. So you see this is a plastic injection molded piece. We would get that done outside. They would they we would just say, give me, we're doing the they're doing a the the planetary the PDU version, planetary dissemination unit. We need we need to work up uh 400, 500 of those PDU meters. Uh and then they would just get this color. We'd pick the color, and then this one's got some some glitter in it. Probably went by what's that place? Joannes or Hobby Lobby. Dump some glitter in the mix. And then you get a PDU version, you charge an extra$1,500 for that puppy. Now, this one, um that's the only that's the only thing that made special. When we did the gold ones and we did all that, that Neil's was sanding. He'd have to sand, they would still order the same plastic out of the same mold, but this has got a finish to it. So we have to sand all that out. Sand all the individual buttons. They would never you can't make new ones because they have to make all new molds.

SPEAKER_01 39:20

Right.

SPEAKER_04 39:20

So that would cost money. Yeah. So we're not gonna do that. We've got we've got labor. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 39:25

Slave labor. Let's use the slave labor.

SPEAKER_04 39:27

Get some get some 4,000 uh 4,000 sandpaper and some water and just wet sand all those for five days. Um and then they would plate them gold or silver or black obsidian or blue meridian or periwinkle blue or whatever that what they were making. They did have a periwinkle blue one, right? They did have a periwinkle blue. It was like a light blue.

SPEAKER_01 39:48

Yeah, they did.

SPEAKER_04 39:49

Yeah. That's the only reason why I know the c color periwinkle, except for in the movie Snatch, Brad Pitt's character is trying to get a uh get a caravan for his mom, and he wants to get it in periwinkle blue.

SPEAKER_00 40:01

There you go.

SPEAKER_04 40:02

Anyway, that's the only other time I've heard this the color periwinkle in my life.

SPEAKER_00 40:05

Oh, I love periwinkle.

SPEAKER_04 40:06

Oh, good, babe. Good, good, good, good. Remember that? Um, here's so here's all these potentiometers right here. This whole stack of them. This is how they just have- Oh, you can't see it.

SPEAKER_00 40:18

Yeah, there you go. There you go.

Rock Slams And Lives Derailed

SPEAKER_04 40:20

All these these all these pots are what the calibration and quality control area. If anything was off, they would use these to adjust the sensitivity or the needle dial was doing something. They do all that right here. Now, I want to say it was in the 80s. Before this one, it was when they had the Mark 60 meter. Like I said, there wasn't a lot of quality control happening on these things, and they were already pretty sketched when they started. But what happens if you have a short or you have an intermittent connection? Now, if you have a device like this, your most common cause of an intermittent connection is gonna be those solder joints. If you do a cold solder joint, or if you didn't have it you didn't do it right.

SPEAKER_00 41:12

So what's a cold solder joint?

SPEAKER_04 41:18

It's like welding, you're heating up metal and changing the properties of the metal, and you're adding metal and it's bonding to the metal.

SPEAKER_01 41:28

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 41:29

When you're soldering, you're taking two pieces of metal in most cases, and you're putting solder, which is like a it's kind of like a very soft, like lead-like material. And you heat that up. That melts really quickly. It doesn't melt, it just changes its property and it turns to a liquid instead of a solid.

SPEAKER_00 41:53

When it turns out that doesn't count as melting?

SPEAKER_04 41:55

No, because what happens is when it gets to that high temperature and it sort of goes into a liquid, now it's flow, it flows through the connectors, the wire, whatever. It flows over there and that's how it creates the bond.

SPEAKER_01 42:11

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 42:12

Now if you're heating up the solder, there's a part where it's getting heated up, but it's not hasn't done that, it doesn't flow. It doesn't turn into that liquid like you.

SPEAKER_01 42:22

I see.

SPEAKER_04 42:23

And if you solder something when it's just about to do that, and then you take it off, it it hasn't gotten to the correct temperature to do that flow and it and and connect the two metals to each other.

SPEAKER_00 42:35

Aaron Powell So that's called a cold solder.

SPEAKER_04 42:36

That's a cold joint.

SPEAKER_00 42:38

And if you have a cold joint because you didn't let it flow, so a cold solder joint joint is a bad thing, not a good thing.

SPEAKER_04 42:45

It's horrible because it's brittle.

SPEAKER_00 42:48

I see.

SPEAKER_04 42:48

And it can just break off. I see.

SPEAKER_00 42:50

When it doesn't flow, all makes sense now. Thank you. Yeah. Didn't know how it was going to get through.

SPEAKER_04 42:57

Anyway, um if if there's anybody clarifying that, honey. If there's anybody out here who knows how to solder, or the dude that has the the uh the patent on this is watching, you can you can check my work in the comments.

SPEAKER_01 43:11

Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_04 43:12

Um this sounds like the type of conversation to have with Dalton on a regular basis.

SPEAKER_00 43:18

Aaron Powell That I have with Dalton on a regular basis.

SPEAKER_04 43:22

Okay. So now um this is why I bring up the cold solder joint thing.

SPEAKER_01 43:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:28

Because in the 1980s, there was a thing, and maybe it was even in the 70s, I don't know. There were many periods where if you're on the e-meter and you're getting one of these interrogations, there's a needle reed that's called a rock slam. And the needle just goes like, here, I'll try to do it with my finger.

SPEAKER_00 43:47

It's erratic slashing back and forth, like hitting both sides of the dial, like completely uh unhinged.

SPEAKER_04 43:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 43:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 43:56

Yeah. Somebody just brought up a great point here.

SPEAKER_00 43:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 44:00

It said uh Oh, it's gone now. Thunder before oh Thursday before two.

SPEAKER_00 44:07

If it gets too hot, it can burn the contact also.

SPEAKER_04 44:10

That's right. So there's a there's a happy medium because if you keep it burning, you're soldering the wire to something. And if you cook that, then it unsolders itself from whatever it's got internally. So you gotta do it right. You gotta as soon as it flows, you gotta get off that thing. You don't want to you wanna cook that, or you'll cook the wire, or you'll cook that. So it's it's uh there is a little bit of technology to doing it that maybe a 10-year-old doesn't master in the first uh few years. Oh my god. Excuse me. Anyway, but if you have one of those rock slams on the needle, that means you got some evil purposes. Whoever you're doing, whoever you're working with on the e-meter there, that means they've got evil purposes against Scientology, David Miscavige or L. Ron Hubbard.

SPEAKER_00 45:00

Right. And that means And when that when that needle phenomena appears, the very first thing the counselor or auditor is supposed to do is note it on the worksheet and then switch into test mode, unplug the cans, and do a test on the on the meter.

SPEAKER_04 45:22

Yeah, but allegedly.

SPEAKER_00 45:23

That's that's the thing.

SPEAKER_04 45:24

Here's the thing with the cold solder joint or any part of this thing that goes wacko. Not necessarily something you can easily make it reproduce. Right. It's sort of when it was in that position, even the temperature of a room getting colder or hotter can actually change the electronics. And they can cause those things to then create that phenomenon. So they could take this e-meter into another room to go check it, and it doesn't do it because it's in a different environment and the temperature's different and the position was different, and the person wasn't yanking on the cans, or it could be anywhere from where the hand the cans hook into the e-meter. By the way, I wasn't lying. This is a TRS. That's a tip ring sleeve guitar plug that they're using right there. That that's another thing. There's nothing in this that ain't been somewhere else before. This is all off-the-shelf parts, except for this plastic and everything. Everything else, you can just order. Even the dial, you can order this same dial, just doesn't have all the fancy Scientology stuff on there. But they're using these dials for other things.

SPEAKER_01 46:31

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 46:32

Now, so what was happening was if you're in the C org and you're uh and you and you're getting a meter thing and the and you get a rock slam, uh RPF. Yeah instantly. It's not not even questioned. My own mother went to the RPF because she rock slammed on an e-meter. And they sent that e-meter in and it had all it was all whacked out, and she still stayed on the uh RPF. Right. So um and it it would happen to people all the time. People were kicked out of Scientology because it was a bad e-meter. That's happened. Yes. On I'd say over a hundred people in their life have had it ruined because they had a shitty e-meter they were using.

SPEAKER_00 47:19

And the crazy thing, too, is that technically, if you have a rock slam on the e-meter and you get sent to the rehabilitation project force, in order for you to then graduate from the rehabilitation project force, you have to find the evil purposes associated with that rock slam and get the exact same meter reaction during the course of that that then shows that it's been handled. Yeah. And you want to know how many times that has happened? Ever?

SPEAKER_04 47:49

How many?

SPEAKER_00 47:50

That I know of? Zero. Oh, with this. It has never happened that the exact same meter reaction has recurred when dealing with the evil purpose that allegedly, I mean, it's such it's anyway, it's all garbage.

SPEAKER_04 48:05

Well, it's all muckety muck woo-hoo anyway. But the fact is that this is a giant turd bucket. Okay? It's filled with turds, uh and they're just in a nice plastic container. Looks like a and it is a giant POS that you should not risk your f future eternity on. And if I were you, I wouldn't be going hunting for space cooties with this thing either. Okay. Now, when you're doing Scientology and you're you're a newbie, you get interrogated on this, and they they ask you questions, not really interrogation style, but they ask you repetitive questions, and you don't have to answer the questions with your mouth if you don't want to. You can just sit there because they're not really paying attention to what you say anyway. The auditor's looking at the needle on this to see what it does when they ask you the question. And the way they teach you is that if you say, was there an earlier similar? Or whatever, was there an earlier similar miswithold?

SPEAKER_00 49:10

Then the answer is never no.

SPEAKER_04 49:12

I know, but at the end, right when I go withhold, right then. Whatever that needle does, that's what you're looking for. Okay? And the way Hubbard explains it is that if you have proper intention, attention, and and attention on the PC, when you ask the command in the exact way, you have that little uh accent up, that little inflection at the last word to make it a question, when you do that exactly correctly, the person will get that and the needle will read whether or not they answer the question with their mouth or not.

SPEAKER_00 49:52

Right. Because as in the definition that I read, it's a pre-conscious me um device.

SPEAKER_04 49:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 49:59

So it knows that there's something there before you know there's something there. That's right. Allegedly.

Why You’re Forbidden To Open It

SPEAKER_04 50:04

That's right. That's how they want you to think. Now uh so basically you got a machine that's being put by either put together by the guy who normally does it, or maybe the groundskeeper, or a 10-year-old. Or me, or any rando ginger that walked into the joint. And um, and they're touting it as this highly precisious precision machine, it costs$400 to make badly, and then they're charging$3,500 for it. And I think near the end they were charging$5,000 for these, the special like this one probably cost$5,000. Somebody could probably look it up somewhere. This puppy probably went for$5k. And even though it's$400 worth of parts, horribly put together now and slave and child labor. Yeah. Uh so really I'm gonna blow your mind, guys. Scientologists have never seen inside this thing. It's illegal for them to open them up. If you're if these some of these parts get loose, and if it's got a rattle to it, and you take a screwdriver and you open it up and you don't seal it the proper way, when they get it and they see something in here that they didn't know they didn't put in there the way it is, like all these Molexes, not all of them, but a bunch of them, are hot glued. Which begs to differ. Why aren't all of them hot glued? Like this one's hot glued, this one always falls out. This one's hot glued. These other ones are not hot glued. This one, ooh, that one just came right out. That's the battery. Oh no, that's the neat that's the dial. Anyway, if one of these falls out and you can hear it rattling in there, you can't take this thing apart and pop it back in. You gotta send it into Golden Air Productions and pay the 150 bucks to get it silver certified, and they put a new sticker on the back that gives you a new date saying you're reset, you're good for another year. And uh and if and this is the best part. If you don't touch that meter for a year, and then they finally get you to come in to do some kind of course or something like that, and then you pop it open and it says that it's out of silver cert, you've got to send it back. And the organization, if if if somebody's found using a meter that's not been silver certified, they gets in trouble.

SPEAKER_01 52:24

Yep, for sure.

SPEAKER_04 52:25

So it's very, very, very important for Scientologists to never look inside and see where the this is where the this is wizard shit in here, guys. This is behind the curtain.

SPEAKER_00 52:37

It's like the don't look up movie, you know?

SPEAKER_04 52:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 52:39

Just don't ever it's just a magical device to talk to your body thetans and don't ever look inside, don't ever understand anything about it.

SPEAKER_04 52:49

I'm we're going deep, guys. We're going deep. We're here. We're here.

SPEAKER_00 52:53

Just pulling out the tools, guys. It's time to do that.

SPEAKER_04 52:55

I don't know if I can do it with this. I don't have a small enough one. Oh, I wish I did. Um I had the one for the back. I didn't pull out any side. But you know, it's just a crappy circuit board. Yep. Now, I would venture to say that most of these circuit boards are very close to the Mark 6 E meter circuit board that they had in the in the early uh in the 70s and then the very early 1980s. I want to say the Mark Super 7 came out in the early 1980s, mid-1980s, and then the Super 7 came out in the 2000s, the quantum.

SPEAKER_00 53:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 53:34

I don't remember when the quantum came out, but it came out uh it came out while we were thinking it was in the late 80s.

SPEAKER_00 53:40

I thought it was for like at around the same time as the release of OT8, which I believe was 1988. Now I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 53:48

I want to open this, but I don't want to.

SPEAKER_00 53:50

Oh, 1996. The same thank you, Catherine. So it's Catherine said it came out in 1996.

SPEAKER_04 53:56

The Mark Quantum. Super Seven Quantum.

SPEAKER_00 53:58

Yeah, so I'm thinking of the Super Mark Seven.

SPEAKER_04 54:01

Okay. This is the FDA plate I was telling you guys about. It can't read it really, but it says by itself, the meter does nothing and is solely for the guide of ministers of the church in confessionals and pastoral counseling. The electrometer is not medically or scientifically capable of improving the health or bodily function of anyone, and it is for religious use by students and ministers of the Church of Scientology only. Hubbard E meter I'm not using this thing. Hubbard, e-meter, and Scientology are trademarks and service marks owned by RTC Religious Technology Center. And are used with its permission. Well, golly gee, Willakers. And then this section is the silver cert sticker. I have it covered up in case the poor person that this was linked to. Um they don't want to. I mean, they're probably gonna go through every one of these PDU meters and see where it went. But I mean, these things you these things turn up in storage units all the time. Exactly. And there's six on eBay right now. So get over it, Osa. Don't the this one you don't have to worry about. Okay. Now, um, let's see if anybody has any questions while I got this thing here. Let's leave it open too.

SPEAKER_00 55:16

Yeah, there we go.

SPEAKER_04 55:17

Also, if you need to work on an e-meter, Xeno and the Body Thetan desk mat is a very high-quality surface to work on. Um, actually, let's put it like this. There you go. This is where we find the body thetans. This is what we find it with. This is perfect for this because look, it is this is the body the I call it the space cootie dividing rat, but this is how you smoke out the body thetans, and we're using the body thetan des mat to work on it.

SPEAKER_00 55:43

Yeah, Catherine said you need a new Xeno and the Body Thetans des Mat. We have more coming soon. The 2026 Xenou and the Body Thetans merch. Yeah. Coming soon. World tour. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 55:54

World tour t-shirts.

SPEAKER_00 55:55

AKA. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 55:57

We'll let them see when it comes out.

SPEAKER_00 55:59

All right.

SPEAKER_04 55:59

Okay, let's see if we've got any people. Do you have any? Do you have the cans? You want to grab those cans over there?

SPEAKER_00 56:05

Uh, sure.

SPEAKER_04 56:06

I just unplug yourself.

SPEAKER_00 56:08

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 56:08

Here, I got you. Okay, you're good. There's a whole kit of them over there. Get the old ones. We'll save the new ones for the new e-meter.

SPEAKER_01 56:18

They're the old ones.

SPEAKER_04 56:19

And they're in that case right there.

SPEAKER_01 56:20

Oh, yeah, yeah.

The Mark VIII And The Bricking System

SPEAKER_04 56:22

Okay, now listen, guys, while Claire's away for a second, I'll just tell you, we have gotten our hands on a Mark VIII quantum e-meter. Now, before you get all excited about the project, um, I don't want to open that one up today. We might show it to you as a little sneak peek at the end of this. But um we were able to get our hands on one. And again, these things turn up. Some of these people, not not not actually some, a high percentage of these people that are on these operating Thetan levels at the top, OT9 and OT seven. Some of these people are getting up there in age, and sometimes when they leave, they don't uh they don't have a proper uh wealth plan or uh uh what do you call it, an estate plan in place to make sure that their emir gets over to one of their fancy dancy members. Here, let me plug over the case.

SPEAKER_00 57:24

So here we have the cans.

SPEAKER_04 57:25

Claire's got the cans, so she's got it right there. And I I I I tell no lies, guys. Look, that's a guitar plug.

SPEAKER_02 57:32

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 57:32

It's actually not even a TRS. It's just a TR. No, it's a T S, tip and sleeve. No ring. Just tip and sleeve, baby. So it's really just two conductors, which makes sense like two cans.

SPEAKER_00 57:46

It's supposed to fit in the palm of your hand.

SPEAKER_04 57:49

You gotta show the people.

SPEAKER_00 57:51

I am.

SPEAKER_04 57:51

Oh, but both both hands.

SPEAKER_00 57:53

Okay, here we go. There you go. So it has to it's supposed to sit right there so that it can comfortably fit in the curl. Like even the can size is an exact specification that you have to figure out what cans you can comfortably hold where your hands will not get fatigued, and it just sits naturally in the curve of your hand and then look. In the curl of your fingers.

SPEAKER_04 58:20

This can cord just plugs in right here. That's it. You're you're up and running.

SPEAKER_00 58:27

And then if you're doing um, you know, Thetan hunting by yourself.

SPEAKER_04 58:31

So what they call solo.

SPEAKER_00 58:33

There's a divider that just keeps them just separate so they don't touch because if they touch together, it slams the meter, the needle on the dial. So you hold it like this, and then you operate the tone arm with the other hand. Yeah, now and and you give the commands telepathically and you watch for the reaction of the needle.

SPEAKER_04 58:56

Yeah, now hold those for a second, because I got I got an idea.

SPEAKER_00 58:59

Oh boy, this is a little triggering, honey. I don't know what you have in mind, but I swore I would never do this again the rest of my life.

SPEAKER_04 59:09

We're going on a space cootie, huh? With the mark. This is a Hubbard Professional Mark Ultra 8. This is a fancy one. Now, these, unfortunately, these are higher tech than that other one.

SPEAKER_01 59:24

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 59:25

And if you don't send it into Golden Era Productions after a year, it it has a time bomb in it. Has a kill switch. Has its own internal thing that says, you gotta silver cert this, but you don't have to silver cert it by sending it into Golden Era Productions. You gotta plug this into your computer. And now when they made these, they made these in the 2004s when they designed and built this. Because I was still there when these were already being made.

SPEAKER_01 59:53

Yep, I remember.

SPEAKER_04 59:54

They didn't come out till like I think 2011. But there's a DB9 connector in here. Now, anybody who knows, if anybody's got a computer, anybody, look on your computer for this connector. It ain't there. This is not a VGA connector that's a DB25, that's 25 pins. This is a DB9, nine pins. This is an RS232 connection that connects this meter to that look and listen in system that I was telling you about, so they can record what the needle is doing while you're getting interrogated. But it also hooks to your computer, and there's a and you go to their website when this is connected and it runs a check on your thing, and that's how they know who's got what meters. Now, this one, it don't got no sticker. That's so Scientology doesn't know who this came from. Now, I don't know how.

SPEAKER_00 1:00:51

Trevan Don says, Mark geeking out about the connectors. I'm like, I know, right?

SPEAKER_04 1:00:55

Well now, but check this out. This one works.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:01

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:03

Now, I'm not gonna say that I figured out how to bypass that time bomb. But this one works. And this is an old one. It hasn't been used much. It was very dusty and dirty. Oh, but here, this is what I want to do. I want to get clear on those cans. For some reason they moved it over here, which I'm not exactly sure why they did that. But either way.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:22

No, that's where it was before.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:24

No, I just pulled it out. It's on the other side. Look.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:27

Oh yeah.

unknown 1:01:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:28

I know what I'm talking about. Oh, maybe this is a is this a lefty? It's a lefty.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:37

It is, yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:38

See, look, guys.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:39

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:39

Lefty.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:41

There you go. You're getting to see it in real time. Just what we were just talking about.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:45

Yeah. There you go. I figured it out all on my own. So this is a lefty. Okay, so now look. I got her on there.

SPEAKER_00 1:01:56

Oh, look, Mitch said if an unauthorized person connects to the website, they brick the meter.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:01

There you go.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:02

I ain't gonna connect it to the website. I have my rings on.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:06

Oh, that makes it rock slam too if you got rings. Don't worry. Let's see a rock slam.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:12

Come on, get in there and get some of that. Oh, come on. Let's see.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:14

You could do one. You could show everybody. I'm not a lefty, so I'm doing this all backwards, but get get in there and get some of that.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:22

I'm holding them.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:23

There you go. See now look. That's her. That's Claire right there. See? Do you have an evil purpose against your husband? Oh, shut up. Um, anyway. So GTFO.

SPEAKER_00 1:02:34

Damn it. I love how I'm like, oh, let's do a pinch test, and you're like, no. And then you're like, get on the cans. I'm like, oh yeah. This is great.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:43

We can show people what it looks does. So you see this part where right here where it says session TA? So every time it goes up, it does nothing. But when it goes back down, see how it's it's yeah, I don't know if you guys can see that, but there you go, right there. When I go down, it adds to that number. And that's how you keep track of the tone arm. And then if you want to zero it out for a new session, there you go. Now it's zero. Now trying to think of what else here. It says does everything the same way. Um but yeah, so that's how so next week or neck next week, because I'm out of town again, but the next time we do one of these uh e-meter videos, we're gonna open this one up.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:31

Yep. And we did get an easy bake.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:34

Oh, I gotta show that now, right now. Let me get it. Let me get it. Guys, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:38

Here, I'll I'll see if um I can do some questions while you perfect.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:42

Get in there and get some of that. I'll be right back.

SPEAKER_00 1:03:44

How come Tom Cruise isn't offering clandestine comments here in the chat? Yeah, exactly. Uh recall the last pinch and the needle would drop. The famous pinch test works. Yeah, so you get the person on the cans, you adjust it, the sensitivity and everything else. Then I would pinch mark like a good firm solid pinch, like enough to burn just a little bit, but not to leave a mark. And then with him holding the case.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:16

A lot of people be like, ow!

SPEAKER_00 1:04:18

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:18

You want to do one?

SPEAKER_00 1:04:19

No, I don't right now. You sure? No, yeah, I'm sure. We we can record. I I didn't want to do it live. Oh I was I was thinking we would record it ahead of time, just whatever. Because just the show. But then, yes, the command is recall the moment of the pinch, and then you think about it, and the needle goes boing, and literally like think about it for a minute. That's allegedly proves that this works. That's it.

Easy-Bake Design And The Pinch Test

SPEAKER_04 1:04:44

Anyway, okay, so this sorry, get the mic back over here. Okay, so this is the e-meter. Now, I want to tell you guys, Scientology did not come up with this. This this design. They hired a product designer to design this thing.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:01

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:02

Now I I know this this uh the person that they hired did work at other places designing products. Okay, and she came up with this design.

SPEAKER_01 1:05:14

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:16

Now, I'm not saying that she worked for Hasbro, but guys. This is the this is the this is the easy bake oven. Okay, look at this thing. Here you couldn't, you couldn't there.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:35

You couldn't put put it under the No, you put it up there.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:37

Put that up in front of your face.

SPEAKER_00 1:05:39

Oh, okay. Look at this.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:40

Come on, guys. The designer uh obviously ripped off the easy bank. Look at that! That's it's uncanny. Telling you. And guess what? This is a special easy bank, you can't get them like this anymore. We had the this is a 2011 special edition. We had to get.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:01

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:02

Anyway, Scientology.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:05

You done messed up.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:07

She might have even did that design because she did this in 2004.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:12

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:12

And then never released the thing. She probably thought it's never going to come out. Let me uh the EasyBake guys basically said we need a new look. And she was like, I got the perfect thing. And she just she already did all that.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:25

Someone said it's a 2031 model of George Foreman Grill.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:28

Yeah. Really is, guys. Telling.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:32

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:34

So we'll open this one up at a later date. It hasn't been bricked. See, here's the thing. As long as I keep this thing charged, I think we're good.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:44

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:45

I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:46

Drop in the comments if you want us to show you a pinch test or not. I'm not particularly dead set on it. Oh, I don't care.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:52

I'll do it.

SPEAKER_00 1:06:53

All right. All right.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:55

Okay. Whatever. We're showing people what what it is. How they what that might be a little bit of the cheese they put in the trap. Someone goes, let that thing know it you pinched me. What else does it know? Well, it knows where your space cooties at.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:08

Oh my god, you just pinched me and it knows you pinched me. That's great, crazy.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:12

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:14

Anyway, it knows where the space cooties are at and it knows when you get pinched. And it knows when you've been sleeping and when you've been bad. Um so yeah, so that's it. Oh, and this one has its own little meter check thing. Yeah, you're supposed to put a little resistor on there. We could do all that. We could do that next week, too.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:33

Yeah. Or next time. Are you gonna be out of town next week?

SPEAKER_04 1:07:37

I don't remember.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:38

No, you're not.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:38

I'm not?

SPEAKER_00 1:07:39

No.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:39

Okay, good.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:40

I mean, it might be a a a tad close. What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_04 1:07:44

Well I 100% will be.

SPEAKER_00 1:07:46

No, I mean, excuse me, sir. I book your travel.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:51

Oh, yeah, you're right. I will be back. Never mind. She knows what she's talking about. I had to space, I had to spaced out all these space cootie talk, they were taking over my calendar.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:02

Um anyway.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:04

Mark just asked me when to show up, and I tell him. So I'm telling you, you will be here on Sunday.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:09

Same old, same old shitty connector. Um the story I was told.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:14

Oh, Sunday's Mother's Day. That's right.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:17

Yes. Yes, I forgot that. Okay. Good point.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:20

Good point.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:21

Okay. Now, I was told that when they made this in the early 2000s, the designers who designed this threw this in, this DB9 connector. Because whoever was working with them, I want to say it was Russ Bellin from the Church of Spiritual Technology, because it was him and another guy that were running that.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:44

Yep. That tall dude Tom Vorme. Tom Vorme, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:48

Or uh Willis. Tom Willis.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:51

Yeah. Both of them actually were.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:53

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:08:54

Anyway, they said you should be putting a you should put a USB connector in there. And the USB connector was going to drive the price up. And they'd already told Miscavige how much the price was going to be.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:06

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:06

And so they used this old connector. Now, even in 2004 when this was happening, and I was getting to this. Anybody who's got a computer, look and see if you got this kind of connector on there. Not with nine pins. There's tons of computers that still have VGA ports for monitor cables. That's a DB25. This is a D B9, RS232. Almost any computer that has to do some kind of control protocol or RS232 is USB. And in order to make this work, you gotta put an adapter that's a DB9 to a USB A.

SPEAKER_01 1:09:47

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:09:48

Or B. I don't know. Anyway, you gotta put an adapter cable on this to connect it to your computer. Yeah. Because these can these no computer, no modern computer will have this on it. It's not happening. Anyway, so they made these inferior even though they could have updated them for like to save like 13 cents.

SPEAKER_01 1:10:13

Right.

Live Q&A On E-Meters And Control

SPEAKER_04 1:10:14

Um anyway, this one charges. It's up and running, it ain't bricked out yet. Oh Jesus, it wants me to set the language. See, that's the fancy thing. That's what you get with the Mark VII. The frickin' time can be in your language. What's on here that needs to be oh, the menus and stuff, I guess. In your language. You can switch. Let's see what languages they got. Menu.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:41

That's fine. We'll do that when we do the breakdown. Let's do some questions. We're already running long for today. Oh, we are. Let's do our questions.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:48

Anyway, guys, I tried to show you. I tried to show you.

SPEAKER_00 1:10:51

And I shut it down. It was all me. Blame me. Let's get some questions.

SPEAKER_04 1:10:55

Let's get some questions. Let's put this back on Claire. She can you want me to highlight some of them?

SPEAKER_00 1:11:00

Yes, please. Good idea.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:02

Okay, let me move this out of my way. I gotta get get back in here again. Okay. Um here we go.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:08

All right. Uh my folks still have a computer that uses cartridges. Maybe that one has the connection with it. Yes, exactly. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:16

Well, to be fair, that could be a zip zip disk. And even when zip disks were out, they still had USB. Because some of those zip drives were USB.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:25

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:26

Anyway, but yes, thank you for that, Elizabeth. Um what are we doing here? Here we go.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:33

Okay, Mark, which of those connectors hook into the read simulator? Well, Jackson. Hey Jackson.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:39

It's that same one, that DB9 connector, hooks into the Reed simulator.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:43

Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:44

Well, not actually. The read simulator just plugs in to here.

SPEAKER_00 1:11:51

Yeah, I was trying to remember.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:52

So instead of plugging in the cans, you just plug it into there and it plays the sound file to the e-meter.

SPEAKER_01 1:11:57

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:11:58

The look listen in system is what connects to that other port because it's reading the signal from the needle. It's not it sends and receives. But you can replay.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:10

And before the read simulator came out, the c when you were doing your training, you would just simulate the reads with your hands, but it's not the real thing. So whatever.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:24

Blah, blah, blah.

SPEAKER_03 1:12:26

Here we go.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:28

Okay. So auditors are surveilled via meter communic computer connection to specific website. Meters 5k a pop. Yep. Yes and yes. Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 1:12:40

When this thing gets bricked, it says it puts a message up here. And it says this meter needs to be certified. It says go to hubbardemeter.org. Somebody can look it up, but I'm pretty sure it's hubbardemeter.org.

SPEAKER_00 1:12:59

Yes, it is.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:00

And it and then you go on there, and then it's like you want to recertify your meter, and you fill out all your deets and your social and your uh your firstborn's trust account, and then you hook right into the Scientology system and your um your ACH information and all of that nonsense.

unknown 1:13:18

Ah, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:19

Okay. Um Yeah, look at that.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:22

Okay. Is that a serial jack mark? Like for a PS2 mouse?

SPEAKER_04 1:13:27

Exactly. That's exactly it's an RS232 connection, and it just This meter will self-destruct in five minutes.

SPEAKER_00 1:13:35

Exactly.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:36

It connects to your computer and then then it tells them which e-meter it is because they want to be doing some they they want to get down and find out how did one of these get out in the wild.

SPEAKER_01 1:13:48

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:13:48

So they got to track down which model it was, whose was it, and who uh gave it to these guys. And so when you plug that thing in, it pings and goes, hey, I'm in Colorado. And uh and I'm, you know, meter 5502. Now, Scientology.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:11

Oh, somebody said, Claire, don't forget how this connection also monitors your IAS membership current or not. Interesting. I didn't know that.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:20

Where's that?

SPEAKER_00 1:14:20

Uh here.

SPEAKER_04 1:14:21

You got a star these. I don't get I don't get the the live, I only get the stars. Here don't forget how this connection also monitors your IS member current or no. That's true, because if you go like, hey, I need you to beam me up, Scotty, and they say, Well, you need to beam uh you need to beam 5K our way. Uh you you ain't you never paid up your IAS membership or whatever.

SPEAKER_00 1:14:42

Yeah, here, let me answer this question. Love and life. Claire, did you have your own e-meter while doing OT levels in the Sea Org? No, I did not. Um, if you're only sometimes getting$46 a week, buying one of these turret balls is not a top priority. So I never owned one, actually.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:00

I don't want to say too much, but I'm pretty sure that uh Catherine had one.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:05

Yes, she did.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:06

And she left it behind. She didn't bring it with her.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:10

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:11

Which that has not been a problem.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:13

Mm-hmm.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:14

Where the where were the plastic parts made? Some place in Corona or something like that. Some place in California. Yeah, in California in the inland valley.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:24

But the meters you were talking about, the Ultra Eight meters.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:28

Okay. Oh, yeah. That's a good point.

SPEAKER_00 1:15:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:15:30

Okay, so remember how we were saying Excuse me. Remember how we were saying that this whole time, these E-meters could only be made by Seward members. Right. Because it was a very highly precision technical device. Well, obviously that was a bunch of bull. Now, this meter was made in Japan in the same place they make Sony Walkman's. That's supposedly the very high quality production line.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:02

I thought it was Thailand, no?

SPEAKER_04 1:16:04

They don't make I'm pretty sure Sony is in Japan.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:07

No, I know, I know. I I just thought or Taiwan. I don't know. I'm trying to remember what I remember.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:13

Could somebody tell me where they made discmans or walkmans? The whole thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:17

No, I meant the e-meters. I know. The Ultra 8.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:20

The s the thing that David must that the CST guys were saying was that, oh, Mr. Miscavige, this is going to be made by the same people who made discmens and walkmans. And that's Sony.

SPEAKER_01 1:16:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:35

Um but yeah, you're it's true. They could have had Sony could have a manufacturing plant.

SPEAKER_00 1:16:41

Um apparently Sony is throughout Asia, according to Karmetsky.

SPEAKER_04 1:16:47

Yeah. I don't know. That's what there's a lot of geopolitical nonsense that goes on with uh electronics manufacturing between China and Taiwan and Oh Mitch said Taiwan for sure. Oh, there you go. There you go. Mitch said Taiwan. Oh yeah. Because he was there too. Yeah, Taiwan and Japan don't have issues. It's Taiwan. Is it Taiwan? Yeah, it's Taiwan and China that have issues. Anyway, so yes, if it was tie if Mitch says it was Taiwan, he was there. And they probably shot all kinds of videos about this thing. Yep. And also, remember when I told you guys we shot all those films? When we shot all those E-Meter films, they all had this guy in it, the Mark Super 7. So when that thing got outlawed and everybody had to switch over to this one, they had to redo all of those films for like the twentieth time. Because first they had first they were old and shitty, then they had SPs in them, then they had SPs in them, then they had SPs in them, and then they had to get a new meter.

SPEAKER_01 1:17:51

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:51

Um and they had to redo all the e-meter reads and the everything had to be redone. And that's probably why Mitch knows so much about that, because that was one of his things. I keep trying to make this thing nice for the camera, and it it's not even on anymore. Um, let's keep going.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:10

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:11

Uh oh, here we go.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:13

Trevanon, no way to get around the silver sorting for this new one.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:17

Well, that's the thing, Trevanon. Technically, this model should be bricked right now. And it's not. So I'm not gonna say there's a way to get around it, but obviously, if you are a technically knowledgeable person, there's probably a way you could get around it. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:18:38

Um if you understand anything about the parts and its operation, which is um more information than 95%, 98% of Scientologists who use this thing have an understanding of.

SPEAKER_04 1:18:53

Those people that are hunting down space cooties, they're not allowed to even open this up. Even though they know all about the space cooties and they're hunting them down with these things, they still aren't allowed to be messing with this thing or doing anything with it. So and that's the other thing. If you're supposed to be auditing and your e-meter needs to be recertified, and you haven't recertified it, and you're telling them, oh no, I'm going in session, I'm doing all this, they know that ain't true because you ain't checked in yet with your with your little computer with uh your little go to your Hubbard website and check in with this thing.

SPEAKER_00 1:19:30

Now in very 1984-esque.

SPEAKER_04 1:19:33

In the nineties, they wanted Scientology, uh, Scientologists, they encouraged Scientologists to set up an I am a Scientologist webpage. Right. And the the Scientology folks had this great idea that they'd send everybody a CD, like you know those ones you used to get from AOL or or Compu Server, whoever sent those things out. Yep. And then uh to get on the interwebs. Well, they were sending them out for people to set up their website. And when you'd put all your info into this software and you'd install your website, it would install a filter on your computer that would write would report back to them if you were looking up Xenu and the Homeboys or if you were trying to hook up any uh any uh Xenu and the Homeboys and the body Xenu and the Body Thetans uh merch.

SPEAKER_01 1:20:23

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:20:23

Uh they could get all that and they'd do that. And then somebody, you know, some ex-scientologist or critic or somebody found out they were up to that and it went out and it was a huge flaparama. It was a big deal.

SPEAKER_00 1:20:35

Yeah. Okay. This question is what do they tell new walk-ins that the e-meter does? So, yes, that's where they do the pinch test for new people to say, oh, this is a you know, super high-tech device that we use that uh is revolutionary in the field of mental health and saving you. And the pinch test is supposed to demonstrate that and sell you on the fact that the fact that this device allegedly reads your thoughts and helps um uncover areas that need to be addressed.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:10

There you go. Um I don't know what this means, but it says best viewers upcrowd.ru.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:17

Hmm. Don't know.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:19

I don't know either. I don't know.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:20

Don't visit any websites that are questionable. Don't know what that is, but thank you.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:25

It's R U, so who knows? Yeah. Um Yeah. All right here. OSA, pay attention.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:32

Yeah, hey, OSA, pay attention. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:34

Um anyway, no, I know that a PS2 connector is round, but this is a similar type of ancient computer technology that no longer exists.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:44

Um there are people.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:47

Bill said, I'd give Miscavige a pinch test so he would never forget. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 1:21:52

Yeah, here we go. Bunch of e-meters on eBay.

SPEAKER_00 1:21:55

The first one says lightly used LOL jokes on you. Get that, OSA. Lightly used.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:01

Yeah. Only 10,000 sp space cooties have been uh been around.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:05

Oh god, when we were getting ready for this, I was like, gosh, it made makes me shudder to even want to contemplate how much how many hours I spent using one of these turd balls. Ugh.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:17

Yeah. Oh, here's a great question.

SPEAKER_00 1:22:19

Okay. Question. How did Scientologists react to the cheap plastic ones that they paid ridiculous amounts for? Sorry for so many questions, but this is fascinating. Yeah, you just don't ask. It's mind-numbingly um forbidden to just you don't you don't talk about that.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:37

Yeah. But to be fair, the one before this one was even shittier than this one. Right.

SPEAKER_01 1:22:44

It was a vast upgrade. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 1:22:47

They the the when they made this new one, David Miscavige told us all that this whole thing to be made custom by the same people that made the Walkman's was$40. That was the product cost for this e-meter.$40. They're selling it for$5,000. It cost$40 for them to make this.

SPEAKER_01 1:23:14

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:15

Um so yeah, it's it's it's a big hunk of junk. Um, the new one, we'll see. I've never even seen inside a manufactured one. I saw inside the test ones they were making, but I never saw.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:26

Yeah. So that'll be that'll be interesting.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:29

I'll I won't open it until you guys are with me. Well, actually, let me see.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:32

We'll do it together live, folks.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:34

Oh, this one's got five screws instead of six.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:37

Oh my goodness. Look at that high technology.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:45

Um anyway. Okay. Yeah, this is powerful OT technology. Yes, there you go. Oh, we got a super chat in high.

SPEAKER_00 1:23:52

Oh, nice. Oh, it's Dr. X. Oh, let's see.

SPEAKER_04 1:23:55

Uh hold on.

Speedrunning Trend And Protest Strategy

SPEAKER_00 1:23:56

Question. Will you guys talk about the speed running trend at any point? It has spread all the way to Edinburgh, Scotland. Oh, so much for that.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:03

Oh, sorry. Where was it? Oh, I missed it. I was trying to find the super chat. Sorry about that, guys. Thank you, Dr. X. Hey folks, electronics connectors, chem lessons, and debunking meter BS is better than an LR. Sad that lives get ruined for bad wiring. Oh my goodness, yes. Thank you, Dr. X. I know. It's it's it's cur it's craziness. Yes.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:23

Good to see you here, Dr. X. Thank you.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:25

I'm so sorry I I got rid of that thing. Uh it's okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:28

We'll come back to it. Well, here, let me let me show this one meanwhile while you look for it. Amy, e-meters don't read mines, quote unquote. They the e-meters don't read mines. They measure electrical resistance tied to the auto autonomic nervous system. Interpretation is subjective.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:47

That's pretty accurate.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:48

It is pretty accurate.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:49

A lot of people, the the actual original e-meter.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:55

There's the question I got cut off.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:57

Okay, go for it.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:58

Well, now you took it back.

SPEAKER_04 1:24:59

Oh, sorry.

SPEAKER_00 1:24:59

You took it off again. So now I can't read it. There we go. Will you guys talk about the speedrunning trend at any point? It has spread all the way to Scotland, but Scientology were expecting it and had police on standby.

SPEAKER_04 1:25:13

Yeah. If you're running into somebody's place of business, that's trespassing for at the minimum.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:20

Right. I the way that I could think about this is like, what's what's the purpose? If the purpose is to stop Scientology abuses, great. If the purpose is to help people trapped in Scientology, let them know that there's help on the outside, okay. But I don't see that any of this is geared to that. To me, it seems geared towards um, like you said, trespassing.

SPEAKER_02 1:25:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:25:46

Okay, so that's really just giving fodder to Scientology to shut down protests. I mean, if I'm wrong and I'm missing something, I I'm all ears. To be fair, I but like everything we do, there's a reason that we do this. There's a reason, and we have that goal in mind. Like, what are we what are we spending our time doing this for? What is the goal? Um, you know, what who are we trying to help? An inoculate exactly. Exactly. I don't know. I maybe I'm missing something. I just I just think it's feeding, it's literally providing Scientology fodder to shut down pro protests more broadly.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:23

To be fair, it's basically like ding dong and ding dong ditch in Scientology.

SPEAKER_00 1:26:27

Right, which we've always told our kids not cool, dude. Not cool. I mean, for what? I know.

SPEAKER_04 1:26:33

Anyway, it's the ding dong ditch of yeah. It's that kind of level. It's not, I mean, it's silly. Um and to be fair, whenever this these tort sort of things happen, they usually blame it on us on our websites, that we were the ones that incited it. And we're like, what?

SPEAKER_00 1:26:54

And again, if I'm missing something and there is some glorious purpose to this that doesn't help Scientology, then I'm missing that. You know, I I'm certainly glad that raising awareness about Scientology and their abuses, that I'm fully on board with. I do I'm just not seeing how that this trend is accomplishing that personally. Here's some Steve.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:21

I guess that's good.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_03 1:27:22

S tier.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:23

All right. Not sure. I might have a misunderstood word. Well, I'm just kidding.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:28

It's not Z tier. It's all the way up to S.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:31

There you go.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:32

Super, I don't know, superlative.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:34

We'll have to ask our kids. Super fragilist to be eladocious. A later gen than us. On God.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:42

Thank you for that, Steve. That was uh very generous of you.

SPEAKER_00 1:27:45

Yes, thank you.

SPEAKER_04 1:27:46

Um oh wait, here's a good one. Tom Cruise. Did you read that one while I was messing around?

SPEAKER_00 1:27:54

Does that make Tom Cruise Claire's grand auditor? Oh my god. What were we talking about in that podcast? The six degrees of Kevin Bacon.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:03

Six degrees of Kevin and Bacon. Boom. Two degrees right here, baby.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:08

Well, no, but I was already first first degree because I I had to put Tom Cruise on the meter.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:13

First degree?

SPEAKER_00 1:28:14

Second degree. I'm I'm already second degree because I put Tom Cruise on the meter. Tom Cruise put you on the meter. I put Tom Cruise on the meter.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:21

But you also put me on the meter, so you're also two.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:25

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:25

One and two.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:26

Yes, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:27

Anyway, that's six degrees of Kevin Bacon shit's fucking real.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:30

Yeah, there you go.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:31

Don't be messing with that.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:33

We'll talk about that some other time.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:34

Um okay, let's see. Oh, you want to do that? Jen Alpha. Um so out of date. I'm trying to get to I'm trying to get to I'm trying to get to them.

unknown 1:28:43

Okay.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:44

You can do this, honey. No one's unstarring them after I read it.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:47

Uh okay. Sorry.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:50

Okay, we will do all this on the next slide.

SPEAKER_00 1:28:52

Can we also show what a floating needle looks like? Yes, we can.

SPEAKER_04 1:28:55

When we do the when we take this one apart, well, it's hard to recreate it.

Bobblehead Giveaway And Community Shoutouts

SPEAKER_00 1:29:00

But I'm sure there's we can find a video on YouTube, I'm sure, of a floating needle or something. Whatever. We'll figure it out.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:06

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:07

We'll take that under consideration and get back to you.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:10

I'll try to figure out how to do it. But it's just a it's just the needle floats.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:13

I mean, what's that's that's oh, and before I forget, don't forget that we are doing another bobblehead giveaway today. So get your comments in to be considered for that.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:25

And who won last year?

SPEAKER_00 1:29:26

Just automatically. Our replay crew winner is none other than Tori Magoo. So congratulations, Tori. It saw your comment. I sent you an email. I already know all your details, so that will ship to you tomorrow.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:40

Tori is some super old school uh person exposing Scientology on the internet.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:46

Been doing it for since 2000. Yeah. Twenty this is 30 years on. 25, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:52

Yeah, 26 years. She's that's what she started, 2000?

SPEAKER_00 1:29:55

2000, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:56

She's been doing it for a long time.

SPEAKER_00 1:29:57

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:29:57

And she actually was one of the people that was uh tasked by OSA, the Office of Special Affairs, Scientology's Dirty Tricks Department, uh previously uh busted for the lar largest infiltration of the United States government in its history as the Guardian's Office. Um the Office of Special Affairs had an Internet uh group of Scientologists that knew about Xenu and all that. So they could go on the Internet and when people were doing stuff, they'd get into their groups and they would report. Some of these people would be agents to just capture what was going on on the Internet message boards and report back to OSA. And some of those people were spike in the deck. They would get involved and they'd cause conflict in these anti or ex-scientology kind of groups and they'd stir stuff up and they'd say and they'd use information that OSA had about somebody and they'd say, Oh, did you know this person was doing this? Did you know that person? And they'd create infighting, and then that way everybody's just fighting with each other. They're not talking about getting rid of Scientology or exposing Scientology.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:10

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:11

Okay. Here's a good one.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:12

Okay, question. Can a Scientologist sell their meter to another Scientologist at a discount?

SPEAKER_04 1:31:19

Sure. It's happened all that happened all the time.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:21

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:22

If you had um, let's just say you're a regular run-in-the-mill Scientologist and you have two e-meters, every Scientologist is supposed to have two. Because you're supposed to have one in your session when you're when you're an auditor or counselor in Scientology. If that one goes kaputsky, you just got to grab another one from under the desk and plug it in and get ready. There's a robbery.

SPEAKER_00 1:31:44

There's a whole checklist for setting up a session, and it it's mandated that you cannot start the session until you've done that full checklist, which includes having a spare meter.

SPEAKER_04 1:31:54

And that spare has to be charged and ready to run. Before the session, you've got to check your current meter and you gotta check that other one.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:02

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:02

Because that's the worst feeling in the world, folks, is when you're Tom Cruise and you've got this Mark Hedley guy in front of you, and that meter goes kaputs, and you pull that other one up and it's dead because you haven't plugged it in in two years.

SPEAKER_00 1:32:13

You're gonna be going to cramming lashings. Boo hoo.

SPEAKER_04 1:32:17

Yeah, so but yeah, no, Scientologists. So let's just say you had two, and then they came out with one of these new fancy dancy numbers here, and they really hard sell you on it. Look, you gotta do this. I'm gonna the Sea Worg members, they're always telling the the public, dude, I gotta get this sale, because if I don't, my stats are gonna be done down and it's gonna uh the whole world's gonna end for me. Um and they pressure them into buying this one. Well, now you got three. So now if somebody needs one, you'd be like, hey, this is my chance. Hey, I got a I got basically a lightly used one here. Give me a thousand bucks it's years. Now, if you go on eBay right now, Scientologists, if you need an e-meter and you don't got an easy access to one, two forty-nine gets you on on eBay today. Free shipping, if you're if you're lucky.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:09

The range is two forty-nine to five hundred, depending on which model. And like we said, at least when right before we started talking here, we went on eBay and there were about six of them. And someone else I saw checked that too.

SPEAKER_03 1:33:21

Yeah. Oh, here's somebody asking.

SPEAKER_00 1:33:24

I may have missed the explanation, but what does brick mean when it comes to the e-meter?

SPEAKER_04 1:33:29

That just means that Scientology has a time bomb built into the electronics of either switch. A kill switch, a time bomb, whatever you want to say, um, that renders it inoperable unless you hook it up to your computer and dial into the Scientology website and you get basically it does a diagnostics check and they say, okay, your meter's good to go. And they're basically just using it to kind of check up on you and keep track of these little puppies. Make sure they they don't get out into the wild on some crazy SP YouTube show. Good job, Osa.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:04

Yes, there you go.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:05

You're really doing it, Osa. You're really doing it. Um Okay, what else we got? Um we could show uh you know what? Let's do the giveaway.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:16

Yep. Sounds good.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:17

And then we'll just read you know where people are coming from and any other last questions.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:21

Perfect.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:22

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:22

And we'll do a part two on our e-meter deep dive exploration here. So there you have it.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:29

You do do something for a little bit because I gotta find this thing. I don't usually do this live, and now I'm gonna have to do it live.

SPEAKER_00 1:34:37

All right, let's do it. We're gonna do it live. Okay, hold on. Let me get to here. Uh we're doing it live.

SPEAKER_04 1:34:47

Um ready? Yep. Okay, here we go. Okay. See if it works. Okay, that'll work. Okay, I'm doing it. 79 entries.

SPEAKER_01 1:35:00

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:01

If you don't if you don't comment right now, then you're in for the uh you're on the replay crew. In the replay crew. Yeah. Here we go. Oh yeah. Oh yeah, get in there. Get in there. Oh yeah, right there. Oh, Mitch, you almost got it.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:15

Oh, Thursday before two.

SPEAKER_04 1:35:17

Shelly Horner.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:18

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SPEAKER_03 1:35:29

Nope. Okay, you're right.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:31

Cheryl, please send me an email, Claire at blownforgood.com. Send me your address, and we will and and the oh, and which bobblehead you'd like? We have Mike and we have Leah. So there you go.

SPEAKER_02 1:35:42

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:43

Thanks to Dr. X for the donation of Mike and Leah bobbleheads in honor of Mike Render's birthday, which was April 10th.

SPEAKER_03 1:35:49

So awesome. Here we go.

SPEAKER_00 1:35:51

All right. Hey there, Mark, Claire, and Mods and Chatters. I will catch up on the replay, but wanted to say I'm so looking forward to tonight's topic. Volcano, volcano green lava orange.

SPEAKER_02 1:36:01

Right.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:03

Thank you, Becky. Uh Power lies to Paralyze. Best title ever. I'll be watching on the replay. Yes, that was Mark through and through.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:11

What was the title?

SPEAKER_00 1:36:12

Uh Scientology's Device for Talking to Aliens or something. Oh, that's perfect. Nailed it. Amy, good afternoon from sunny Wisconsin. Good to see you here. Happy Sunday. Thank goodness for the stream. Saves me from watching the Yankees with my husband, LL. Hi, Mary Kay. Trevinon, good evening from the Netherlands. Uh Gabriel Alexandre 6283. Hello from still cold Romania. Xenu is my homeboy. Wow. Thank you for tuning in.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:42

Yo, Zenu, go Xenu.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:44

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:36:45

Um.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:47

Question. Can non-scientologists buy a used e-meter? How much is a new e-meter? And I think we answered that.

SPEAKER_03 1:36:55

5k for a new one.

SPEAKER_00 1:36:57

And yes, you can at least as of this moment in time. We'll see if they get gobbled up by OSA. They used to see how much the we'll we'll use this as a gauge of how much OSA is paying attention currently. How about that?

SPEAKER_04 1:37:09

They used to be a thing, whenever any kind of old Scientology book or e-meters or films or videos or laser discs or anything that Scientology had out there that they didn't want in the wild. Yep. If they showed up on eBay, the Scientologists would gobble them up and then send them into the church. And I think they used to do that with e-meters. I don't know why they're not doing that anymore. Maybe it's just too it's just too many.

SPEAKER_00 1:37:37

Oh here, I gotta do this one. Okay. This is funny. Love and life. Did people ever decorate the e-meters? Just imagining someone coming in with a Xenu sticker, LOL.

SPEAKER_04 1:37:47

I will tell you guys. Oh God. We'd have to redo, we'd have to redo, we'd have to scrub the whole thing down with this plastic cleaner to get all the the you know, you know when someone smokes and they're you know, there's like kind of like that orange-brown just kind of hue of the nicotine and the tar and everything. Mainly the tar, I think. It's like a cigarette soot kind of tarnish. Um we'd have to do that. Lots of people would put stickers on them. You know, like when you um when you're in school and you do a good job and you get one of those little stars, they'd have those on there. Like to kind of for some Scientologists, I think they needed little cheat sheets, so they'd have a little star by the buttons that they had to push to when they did it and stuff. We they'd come in on the meters all the time.

SPEAKER_00 1:38:47

Seriously?

SPEAKER_04 1:38:48

Stars. Sometimes there'd be marker that somebody would just write their name. Because that was another thing. When people when Scientologists used to send their e-meters in, well, it comes in and it has a package with it.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:02

It's in the case.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:03

Well, it's however they send it in. Usually it would be in the case, but sometimes they just send it in a box and then it'd have paperwork that would go with it. And if that paperwork, because they take off this plate to put a new plate on, and that's got the serial number on it. If that paperwork stack got separated from the e-meter, you're never getting your e-meter back because they don't know who it belonged to. So some people would write with magic marker like a sharpie, just right on the front, Billy Bob. And then that way they'd get the they know they're it wouldn't get lost.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:36

Yep. Uh we did that one? Yep, we did that one.

SPEAKER_04 1:39:40

Um, ooh, Lisbon.

SPEAKER_00 1:39:41

Hi from Lisbon, nice. Hello, hello. Hello from somewhere along Interstate AD in California, Toons Malloy. Nice. Greetings from Cameron, North Carolina, Betsy Sue, hello from London, Satan's Thayton. Hi, all from England, nice. Howdy from Wyoming, hi Tracy. Hello from Austin, Texas, Grace Case. Um, Valerie, hi from British Columbia. Watching from California. Hello, hello. Hello from Auckland, New Zealand. Nice. I love it. Hello from Henderson, Nevada.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:17

Oh, here's a good one. Oh, here I'll do this one and then we'll do another question.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:20

Okay. Hi from Kington, Herefordshire. First chat. Been watching since COVID. Wow. Well, thank you for chatting.

SPEAKER_03 1:40:27

Nice.

SPEAKER_00 1:40:28

Good to have you here. Uh Amy, and how many solo courses did one do and pay for? How many versions? I think at least three that I did. Yeah. Well, built into um, so if you're talking like, let's say, you know, you did the OT levels in the 80s or 90s. Then you did solo part one and solo part two. Those are two different solo auditor training courses. So that's two. And you do those before before you start the OT one to three.

SPEAKER_04 1:40:59

That's right. So then before you find out about the space cooties, you have to do those courses to learn how to audit yourself.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:06

Yes. So that's two that are just, you know, basic. Then OT six is also um, and I think that one is part A, part B, part C, if I'm remembering correctly. But so so part A and part B are also considered. So OT6, part A, and Part B. So now we're talking about four solo auditor courses that you've done.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:29

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:30

Then in 1996, with the release of Golden Age of Tech, then you now had solo certainty course for the lower level and solo not certainty course for the upper levels.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:45

So that's five so far.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:46

Six.

SPEAKER_03 1:41:47

Okay, six, if you say so.

SPEAKER_00 1:41:49

And then who knows what since then. But so at the time we left, there were six. And probably that everyone's had to redo all of those several times over. So a lot is the answer to that question.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:01

Yeah. And so to be fair, so you have to learn about uh you use the e-meter in all of the a lot of the Scientology counseling, all the way up before the OT levels.

SPEAKER_00 1:42:14

Aaron Ross Powell Correct. Yeah. It's so so really the same.

SPEAKER_04 1:42:17

But somebody is with you doing it.

Solo Auditing Courses And OT Logistics

SPEAKER_00 1:42:19

Correct. Yeah. So if you're looking at the bridge to total freedom, ARC straight wire is the very bottom one below grade zero. And that's where you start using the e-meter in Scientology. And on the other some of the you know, subsidiary, shall we say, or uh, you know, preliminary or other things, like method one word clearing uses an e-meter. There's other things. But from the bridge perspective, ARC straight wire is the first level that requires use of the e-meter, then grade zero, grade one, grade two, grade three, up to the state of clear. And after the state of clear, when you start the OT levels, is when you're now using the e-meter on yourself.

Tom Cruise Early Access Story

SPEAKER_04 1:43:01

Yeah. And oh my God, I totally forgot about this. Now this is crazy. And if Scientologists knew this, they would be super pissed.

SPEAKER_00 1:43:11

Oh, good.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:13

When the new meter was made, it was made in 2004. But there was no way that they could release them because they had to redo all the films and they had to redo all this other stuff.

SPEAKER_01 1:43:26

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:43:27

You know who got one of these before anybody else? Tom Cruise. And what we did at Golden Era Productions is we took the guts from the brand new Super 8 Quantum e-meter in 2004. We took the guts of this and put it, we uh he had a bunch of them and we put it into old e-meter cases. Uh-huh. So he had the new e-meter years and years and years before any other Scientologists. And the only other place I think we did that was for Florida. They also made a bunch for the Florida um location where they where they were doing auditing people. They had them as well.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:13

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:13

And here's the crazy thing, guys. They were the beta testers for this thing. So they had an they had a new e-meter, but it had different guts. And they didn't know, they knew they had special e-meters, but they didn't know what was different about them. And they were kept track of. But Tom Cruise was the very first Scientologist to get one of these new e-meters. And I want to say they came out in 2011. I don't know if somebody commented.

SPEAKER_00 1:44:42

I think Catherine said 2013 was when they were finally released. Okay, so yeah, they were made. I mean, we were still there and we were hearing about how they were forty dollars and they have stock of them and they and we were shown them.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:55

We saw them all the time. They had them all over the property.

SPEAKER_01 1:44:58

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:44:58

Um and we and we had the new ones at the property.

SPEAKER_01 1:45:01

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:02

So they were out in 2004, 2005, I think that's when they started getting a quantity of them.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:09

Oh yeah, Catherine said 2013 was the release of Golden Age of Tech 2 and the new meter.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:15

So that means Tom Cruise had the had a new Mark VIII quantum at least 10 years before almost 10 years before Scientology got regular. These million buckarooists got their hands on one.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:29

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:30

Oh, here's a good one.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:32

Mark, how many times did you hook up just with Tom Cruise?

SPEAKER_04 1:45:37

I love how you use hookup. Uh I was plugged into his e-meter.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:42

Um, I I hooked him up. No, you didn't. I did. When did you?

SPEAKER_04 1:45:47

Oh, yeah, like when just word clearing. You weren't interrogating me.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:50

No, I did a review session with you for key to when you were on key to life.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:54

Okay, great, baby. Before we were married. I didn't even remember that.

SPEAKER_00 1:45:57

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:45:58

Anyway, no, whenever you get I I like I said earlier, when I was y very young, I think I was probably 14 is when I learned how to use an e-meter. Um, I had to go, my mom insisted that I go and do the e-meter course. And I did it after school. I get off at 5 30 from school, travel back down to from La Cresena to back down to Hollywood. And then I think it was course was 7 to 10.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:27

7 to 9.30. Two and a half hours.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:29

7 to 9.30.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:30

And I'd go do um, I think it was 10 because there was a break in there somewhere. Are they break included in the two and a half hours? Um anyway, and I went on course and I did this course in in Los Angeles.

SPEAKER_00 1:46:43

They stopped doing breaks, by the way.

SPEAKER_04 1:46:45

They did? How are you gonna get those Cheetos in the middle of a big play?

SPEAKER_00 1:46:51

There's only a break if you're on full-time study. So then you're 9 30 to 12, then you break for lunch, 1 to 3 30, that uh or what was it?

SPEAKER_03 1:47:00

You're right. I think you're right.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:01

It was a 15-minute afternoon break between the two periods. Anyway, whatever.

SPEAKER_03 1:47:05

I'm just gonna go out and say it.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:07

Blah, blah, blah.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:08

Gonna lay it all out. Uh I took breaks and I wasn't supposed to take breaks.

SPEAKER_00 1:47:15

The the the Might have been a there were there were frequent occasions when you'd even during the two and a half hour staff study, Billy Bob would be like, Oh, can I go to the bathroom? And then we'd be like, Billy Bob's been gone for like 30 minutes. And then someone would have to go check the bathroom. Oh, hi, Bella.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:36

Hi, Bella.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:38

Um Yeah. You had to if to leave the course room, you would raise your hand.

SPEAKER_01 1:47:44

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:47:44

Like it was like a like a school. You'd have to raise your hand and say, put your hand up. And then the supervisor, that's the person watching over everybody. Hey Bella. That's a German shepherd. She's sniffing out the Hi. Sniffing out the cootie, cootie detector. Okay. Bella, you just you just entered. She literally just opened that door.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:05

I know. She's like, anyway.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:12

If you wanted to get no if you wanted to get up in the middle of the course period in that two and a half hours, if you wanted to leave the course room, you have to raise your hand and say, hey, I'm supposed to go here at this time, or I'm supposed to do this. You can't just walk out. That's a blow.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:26

Yeah. You don't want to be blown. If you need to go to the bathroom, you have to tell the supervisor, I need to go to the bathroom.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:32

No blowing. And that way.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:34

That way, if you need to go to the bathroom ten minutes later, it's a firm no.

SPEAKER_04 1:48:38

Yeah, they keep they keep track on those uh those little breaks. And I will say, more than once, I might have had some uh some legs fall asleep, taking a little long, too long of a break in the middle of that course period.

SPEAKER_00 1:48:52

Yeah, it's a dead giveaway when you come back from the bathroom and you have your hand prints imprinted on your face. It's like dude, not a good look.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:01

When you're in the Sea Org and you're working, basically you're working, you're getting up at seven and you're getting to bed maybe at midnight or one. And you're listening to Hubbard on the on the cassettes, or if you're reading pages and pages of Hubbard, the chances of you falling asleep is pretty high. And if you fall asleep, that means you had a misunderstood word, and that's a whole mess of trouble you don't want. So you go to the bathroom and you do that little nap time, and then you come back. But sometimes people would walk in and they'd have two big hands, like they'd have they'd have hand prints on their face when they walk back in and you're just like, oh shit, dude. Billy Bob, you gotta, you gotta wake up, get the circulation flowing, and then come back in.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:49:49

Okay, oh here we go.

SPEAKER_00 1:49:51

Okay. Isn't he imprisoned in a mountain like in Superman?

SPEAKER_04 1:49:54

You know what, Thursday before two? You have you were on. You were on it. Yeah. I she's talking I say she because she's got Aria's uh she's a she to me now. I don't know what to tell you Thursday before two. Um Thursday at two o'clock is by the way, that's when Scientology ends their week. So Thursday before two is when all the stats have to be made. So this is all inside baseball with this guy or gal or whoever it is. Aria uh killed the White Walker, King the White Walker King. Anyway, um Lord Zenu in in in Hubbard folklore in OT3, he says that the loyal officers captured Lord Zenu and they imprisoned him in a mountain with electric bars on the on the cell. But here's a little thing that Hubbard didn't know they used ever-ready batteries to power that gate. And those I mean, we're talking like old alkaline battery technology, not great. And as soon as they wore off, Zinu just walked right out. No problems. So he's out now.

SPEAKER_01 1:51:06

He's right here. Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:08

Get in there and get some of that right there. Hey, Zenu. Hey, take it easy.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:12

There you go.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:13

Um, okay. Uh I think we're good. Let's do a few more questions and we'll bail.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:18

Okay, fair enough. A few more questions, and then we'll let you all get back to your Sunday. How do you beta test it? Not like there is a proper QA plan with expected outcomes and use cases. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 1:51:30

Well, no, like this language thing. Somebody could have said, I don't I can't tell what's doing on here, and they could have said, Oh, we could put that menu in different languages.

SPEAKER_00 1:51:39

But for the most part, the beta testing was literally just you would be using one of the new e-meters. You used them at the base, right? Oh my god, this is so precise and like unlike any that's what was expected. That was beta testing.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:04

Yeah, but they would they would people they wanted people to use them and see how they were get their feedback.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:12

Yep. Because this feedback was expected to be nothing but glowing.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:16

Well, yeah, but if you're looking for space cooties and you're only finding five or six a day, and you get this thing and you're up to 30, 40, 5,000 space cooties, this thing really this thing puts up numbers. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:30

Uh, but uh what's to say the people using it solo don't fudge their own session, Dr. X? Right. Good question.

SPEAKER_04 1:52:43

When you when you're doing at least OT seven, it takes years and years. You have millions and millions and millions of space cooties in you, right now.

SPEAKER_00 1:52:53

Everybody and when you're solo auditing at home, you're absolutely right. There's no way that they at least, I don't know, maybe it's changed now and they you require you to video. I doubt it. But you are when you're training to become a solo auditor at FLAG, you absolutely have to video a solo session to prove yourself as a solo auditor. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:15

But every time you go in one of these sessions with yourself, you keep worksheets. So it has the day, what you're doing, how many clusters of cooties you found, all the information you write down.

SPEAKER_00 1:53:28

Yeah. And and by the way, as part of your six-month check, you're interrogated to did you falsify a session worksheet or did you do anything that you shouldn't have done? Anything that's out tech.

SPEAKER_04 1:53:41

Yeah. If you get up to nonsense and you're just you could even just make the worksheets and write up everything like you did it, and then just put that in and keep doing that. So there's a paper trail. So then when you go for when you go for your six-month check, this folder that you have for all of these things, it's called a PC folder, a pre-clear folder. And even when you're an OT, you still have the folder, except now it's an OT folder. It's still the same folder. They just call it something different. It's a manila file folder. Um, legal. Um, and um when you have that, you keep all those worksheets in that. And then when you have to go for that six-month check, you have to bring that folder with you and turn it over to them.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:30

To the case supervisor.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:32

And they go through it and they rev they go through all these and they're like, oh, this guy's putting up shitty cootie numbers. He's gotta work harder. He's pulling three or four. He needs to pull three or four thousand, not three or four, not a handful.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:44

Yeah. Oh, here we go. Amy answered my question. Perfect. No, you only video a flag, and when you finish, and of course, every six months they interrogate you to see if you falsified. Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_04 1:54:54

We're right on track, guys.

SPEAKER_00 1:54:55

Yep, there you go. Not not a whole lot has changed in the last 21 years.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:00

Well, no, they can't change it. Hubbard said it was supposed to be that way. That's the way they got to do it. David, this gavage only gets to tweak things that he wants to do that Hubbard didn't ever said to do.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:08

Right.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:08

Not the stuff he said to do. Um Okay, let's do a few more questions.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:14

All right. Okay. A few more questions here. Okay, Mark, I think you said the 2013 e-meter originally had a serial port in it. What happened there?

SPEAKER_04 1:55:23

So they it still does. So I was told that once they made these, that this was old and it was gonna be they had to put an adapter in there, and that was a big old problem.

SPEAKER_00 1:55:35

Yeah. And the because it can't be released as like cutting-edge technology and then like, oh, whoops, we have an old connector here, and here's an adapter.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:43

Yeah. So but so the story I was told is that they were gonna have to open up every single one and switch this to a USB.

SPEAKER_01 1:55:50

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:55:51

And I assumed that's what they did because they would it would be silly to have this thing in there, and everybody has to use an adapter and it's old school and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:01

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:02

But it doesn't look like they updated it. And I have Intel on a meter that's brand new and it's got the same exact thing in it. So I don't know if they've switched them and I don't know. If anybody out there has got a brand spanking new one of these little uh market easy bake oven ones, then um then yeah. Send me a picture of it. You don't even have to send it in, just send me a picture of the back if it's got USB in it. Yeah. Or send me a picture that it it doesn't. You mean I'm just saying uh I don't know that they they're a recent sale, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 1:56:40

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:40

They didn't make that many. They didn't make that many.

SPEAKER_00 1:56:43

No.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:44

I want to say we didn't when they made these new ones, they didn't make more than five, ten thousand of them.

SPEAKER_01 1:56:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:56:52

And even when we did the old e-meters, the Mark 7s, I don't think there was more than 40,000. They were in the 40,000s on the serial numbers at when we left, or uh, you know, before even before we left. I think they were in the high thirties or the low forties. So that's another thing. If there's millions and millions of Scientologists, there'd have to be millions and millions of e-meters, and they're just eight. Nope. They didn't make they didn't make one million of these when they came out. They made thousands.

SPEAKER_01 1:57:27

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:57:29

Okay, here we go. What's people didn't fudge their own thing? Serial port, how do you beta test it? Okay, here we go. What's this one?

Final Questions And Wrap-Up

SPEAKER_00 1:57:39

Question. Did the people in the hole have stats? Number of confessions beaten out of people, etc.

unknown 1:57:45

I don't think.

SPEAKER_00 1:57:46

They didn't have those kinds of stats. The ethics department had the stat of situations found and handled. Um but in the whole there were absolutely they called it group confessions, group seances, um, you know, group beatings. Uh anyway. Trevor Burrus, Jr.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:07

The the situations found and handled is an interesting stat because you're always finding situations, but you're not always handling them.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:14

That's right.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:15

So like I'm a unhandled situation. Because I mean we were situations that were found and we ain't never been handled.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:23

Or rather, not found. We escaped and we've got to be. Well, they found it then. They found out there's a situation then. Oh boy, sucks to suck, Osa. What can we say? All right, I think we're good for today, honey.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:36

We are. It's we will this is a long one.

SPEAKER_00 1:58:38

Catherine said, you two are the biggest unhandled situations in all of Scientology. Yeah, true story. No, no, no, no, no. Listen, true story. We were told once by a friend of ours that they were told they could talk to any suppressive in the world, just not Mark and Claire. True story.

SPEAKER_04 1:58:56

Yeah, but even better. We ran into some Sea Org members very shortly after we left.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:02

I want to say in 2006.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:04

A few times we did. There were a few times.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:06

And they were very nice to us.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:08

Yes.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:08

Oddly enough, we didn't know why. They were like, oh, hello, sir, and uh like we were still executives.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:14

Yeah, it was super spooky.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:16

And then we found out from somebody who escaped after that that they told the Sea Org members that we worked with that we were on a special project for RTC or CSGO.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:27

At CST, which is most most likely were Shelley Miscavige's.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:32

Yeah. They said we were on a special project to not let them know that we escaped. Right. I mean, obviously some people knew we escaped, but they told the general staff.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:40

They kept it on the DL.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:41

Yeah, they told the general staff because we both disappeared at the same time.

SPEAKER_00 1:59:45

And we were both, I mean, within that ecosystem of that base, everybody knew who we were. I mean, we'd been there for you know 14, 15, 16 years. So, anyhow, there you go.

SPEAKER_04 1:59:59

Yeah. Yep. Situation found, not handled.

SPEAKER_00 2:00:03

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:04

Okay, here we go. What do we got? Let's get let's end it.

SPEAKER_00 2:00:07

That was amazing. Looking forward to the next one. This is really interesting. Thank you. We're glad you enjoyed it.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:12

Are we gonna do Mother's Day?

SPEAKER_00 2:00:14

I don't know. I mean, we're we can't do Saturday because that's the day that we're both traveling back from a work trip. So we'll figure it out. Maybe we'll just skip it for Mother's Day and let everyone enjoy the holiday.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:29

Like somebody was mad, we didn't do it on Easter. I think we were that Sunday we were out as an Easter.

SPEAKER_00 2:00:36

We'll um we'll just take a beat and we'll get input from our amazing mods. Yeah, we'll get it. If you guys have a preference, drop a comment.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 2:00:44

I'm kind of I'd like to celebrate Mother's Day.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:48

Mother's Day. Let's not do crazy stuff. We call it the crazy place. So our neighbors and everybody that knows us.

SPEAKER_00 2:00:54

Yeah, maybe we'll record we'll release a pre-recorded thing. I'll get with Clara. I have some ideas.

SPEAKER_04 2:00:58

Holy moly. There you go.

SPEAKER_00 2:01:00

That's a that's a good idea. That's a that's a happy compromise.

SPEAKER_04 2:01:03

Anyway.

SPEAKER_00 2:01:04

Yeah, Clara approves. Yay.

SPEAKER_04 2:01:06

Perfect.

SPEAKER_00 2:01:07

Awesome.

SPEAKER_04 2:01:08

Okay, guys. Well, as you know, I do like to put up uh your comments. Goodbye. Thanks for whatever at the end of the video when the outro plays. So if you want to get in there with some nonsense, this is the time to do it.

SPEAKER_00 2:01:19

Thanks to everybody who joined us today. We're glad you enjoyed this special edition e-meter deep dive.

SPEAKER_04 2:01:26

And we will do another one with the new one.

SPEAKER_00 2:01:30

Yep.

SPEAKER_04 2:01:31

And uh and we'll have to think of another great title for that one.

SPEAKER_00 2:01:34

Yes, there you go. We already have the title.

SPEAKER_04 2:01:36

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