Situationship to Soulmate
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Situationship to Soulmate
Interracial Relationships: Our Story and Advice as an Interracial Couple
Welcome to the Situationship to Soulmate podcast, your guide to navigating the complicated world of dating, relationships, and sex in your 20s.
In today's episode I bring on my very first guest....my boyfriend Colin! As an interracial couple, we had to overcome both of our own preconceived notions and stereotypes about the idea of dating outside our own race, as well as push past the judgement and ignorance that is still alive in our society today. We've chosen to use our experiences from our 2 year relationship to spark important dialogues about race and relationships. Join us as we unveil real experiences of navigating the nuanced world of interracial dating and general misconceptions we've had to confront.
The evolution of our relationship has been quite a learning curve. From understanding the concept of white privilege and its implications on our relationship to navigating cultural differences, we've grown tremendously. Hear how we deal with differences in food preferences and communication styles, and how our relationship has become more natural over time. This is a candid conversation about love, race, privilege, and the constant journey towards understanding and acceptance. Join us for this intimate conversation and gain insights into the often overlooked dynamics of interracial relationships.
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I have a special guest here with me today my boyfriend Colin.
Speaker 2:So glad to be here and on the podcast. I've been following this since the beginning and it's really awesome. So, yeah, why don't you tell him a little bit about why you got a crusty old me to be here today?
Speaker 1:Yes, he is my number one fan and definitely the person who convinced me that I should actually start this podcast. I was like either I'm going to record a podcast or you can join with me, and so we're just sitting in our living room recording this right now.
Speaker 2:The microphones are barely here.
Speaker 1:This is just a typical Sunday afternoon for us, but no, the real reason why I asked him to join me on this episode is because I thought that it would be nice to talk about what it is like being in an interracial relationship, because we are in an interracial relationship and it is both of our first times ever being in a relationship with someone who is a different race than us, and so, yeah, we're just going to talk about how that's been for us and, yeah, some things we've learned, so why don't you tell the listeners out there I'm not reading a script at all About your racial and ethnic background Shels.
Speaker 1:All right, so I am white. I think anyone who would pass me on the street or see me would just see me as a white woman. But I am also a quarter Mexican. So my mom is half Mexican. Her dad was Mexican and her mom was white and my dad's white. So I'm one quarter Mexican.
Speaker 2:So I am half African American, half Romani or Roma or Gypsy, if you're not familiar with the correct term, romani people. My mom is African American from Texas and my dad is Romani Roma from England. Actually, most people when they see me on the street think I am just straight up African American. Maybe sometimes the occasional person will think I'm like Dominican or something or speak to me in Spanish and I'm like I don't know what you're saying. But most of the time, because I've got curly hair and just my facial features and things like that are more African American looking to the average person. That's what they think.
Speaker 1:So yeah, basically, to the average person looking at us, we look like a couple where one is white and one is black, but we thought it'd be fun to share, you know, some of the more, more of the details. So yeah, I guess, speaking of like you know, talk about this idea of like the average person looking at our relationship or us, I'm curious what do you feel like were some of the like, stereotypes or stigmas that either you'd heard you had heard other people have about interracial relationships before we started dating, or maybe, if you had any yourself that you have?
Speaker 2:I feel like there are a lot of stereotypes that I heard. The one that immediately comes to mind is like people only dating one type of person like, oh, that kind of person dates white girls, or that kind of guy only dates black girls, or only days Asian girls, something like that. Like people you know being kind of like, put into this box of like who they can have feelings for or be attracted to. And I definitely saw people who subscribed to that belief were like oh yeah, I'm not, I'm just not into white girls, I'm just not into black girls, or x, y, z. And then, on the flip side, like if a white woman is dating a African American man or a man outside, it's like, oh, they're just going through a phase, or it's exotic to them, or it's different. Or like, oh, like, oh, they only like athletes, or they only, like, you know, tough guy, like, just like.
Speaker 2:A lot of like racial stereotypes, like undertones, that kind of like definitely stem out of insecure men of different races.
Speaker 2:Like usually kind of coming up with these ideas of like, oh like, you know, I mean like you can go back to examples of like African American men, like traveling to other countries 100 plus years ago and like, see, like in the media and a lot of those countries, like white countries, like in those countries, saying things about them like like oh, these savages and that kind of stuff and like, oh, they're gonna like sleep with our women, and stuff like that and like that rhetoric still exists to a large degree. There's still this idea of like, oh, like, if, like a white woman is like with a black guy, it's because he's athletic or like a rapper or dangerous or something. And like I'm I'm from like a small country town in central Texas. Like you know, my neighbors had goats and cows. Like I'm not I don't really fit that at all, but I'm. I know that there have been people who've seen us walking on the street and thought that or thought like, why is she with them?
Speaker 1:or you know so I'm curious for you, since you grew up with parents who are in an interracial relationship, do you feel like it was, it seemed more normalized to you growing up, or did you still kind of have some of those stereotypes or or things in your head?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So it was a mix the perfect word to use Because, on the one hand, like yes, my parents are in an interracial relationship, on the other hand, they both came from cultures where there was definitely a lot of isolation as far as like kind of dating within the same ethnicity and, like you know, both of them were kind of the first in their family to be in that kind of relationship and I think, because they both came from groups that were marginalized, that's how they found their connection. So it was like almost not really even talked about when I was younger, although I think there was kind of an assumption that I would probably date somebody who was either black or or or Romany. So for me, like you know, because of that family background, I knew in my heart, like because I saw them in an interracial relationship, that it was fine, it was normal. But I still had to kind of get over the societal stereotypes and things and maybe some unspoken pressure from both of those cultures, and realize, like you know what if it worked for my parents and it works for other people and if it just happens that the person I like is not African American or Romany, like that's just me and like maybe we should talk a little bit now about like our own backgrounds. As far as like dating and I didn't start dating until I was in college and I do think like the interracial experience of dating is actually part of that I went to a boarding school for high school and it was predominantly white, but it was the best educational opportunity for me.
Speaker 2:You know, like I said, I'm part African American. In my hometown the mascot of the high school there was the rebels, and no, it's not talking about Star Wars rebels or anything like that. It was literally Yosemite Sam in a Confederate gray outfit. So my parents were like you're not going to school here. So I went to boarding school for high school, predominantly white boarding school. You know it was for a prep school, it was somewhat diverse but it was predominantly white and I was kind of thrown into this environment, not really knowing much about dating. It was just kind of a difficult experience for me navigating that and there were a lot of stereotypes amongst the students because you know we were all dumb teenagers around dating. People immediately were like, oh, are you going to date this girl or that girl who was black, or like what do you think of this girl.
Speaker 2:So for college I went to Cornell. It's a school in the Northeast and it's like predominantly white but there was a much larger African American population than my high school and I really enjoyed that experience because I got to explore that side of my heritage a little bit more. And I was in my first relationship there, which was with a black girl and it was, you know, not like so many first relationships. It was not perfect. I definitely made some mistakes, we definitely made some mistakes, but it was a learning experience.
Speaker 2:And again, it was kind of like the assumption was I'd be with somebody from my own background and I remember conversations in that relationship about interracial dating where it was kind of both agreed like oh, it's pretty unusual to do that, like we're kind of in a more normal situation. But I remember the back of my mind thinking like why? But I didn't say anything because I was a shallow idiot. And when I got out of that relationship I just thought a lot about that and thought a lot about, like you know, was I even in that relationship because I loved that person? Not really? Like it was just a college relationship, and you know we're all figuring it out, but like it was just interesting Like I was in a predominantly African American world as far as my friends and that was just like kind of what I pigeonholed myself and was pigeonholed into.
Speaker 2:So that was sort of my experience until you know, maybe the past five years or so. But what about you? Like I mean, you know, I went to that school, I was in the Northeast, there were more black people there and, like you know, when I went to grad school there were Romany people there too. But you went to a school in Texas, more like kind of like old South, like old guard, kind of strats school. So like what was your experience like?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean I, both my high school and my college I feel like we're pretty similar to each other and that they were both predominantly white. You know, it was like white rich kids was kind of the like stereotype of the kids that went to my high school and my college and luckily I found a group of friends that were, all you know, pretty normal down to earth people. But yeah, I think, similar to what you're saying, I think I it was it. I think it was always assumed that I would date someone who was white and also because these schools were predominantly white, it was like it was like just that was who I was surrounded by.
Speaker 1:But I do remember, like you know, conversations you have with other girls where you're all talking about oh, what's you know? Everyone always asks you like, what's your type or what you know, and it was always like the assumption was that we were talking about white men, because it would be like, oh yeah, I like blonde, you know, I like blonde guys with blue eyes, or I like this or that, and it's like you know, looking back on it I kind of cringe, but at the time it just seemed normal and but I do remember my friends would always Not going to ignore it Me, but they would kind of like hound me about, like well, what is your type physically?
Speaker 2:It's so crazy. I had the same experience, like I remember, like maybe a month into school, like I was hanging out with like some, some like women friends of mine in my program and they were like, oh, so what's your type? And I was like, uh, I like, uh, artsy girls, because I'm a musician. And they're like what, what the heck does that even mean Like artsy, like like artists, like like painters? And I was like I mean, if they're, if they're a passionate painter, sure Like. And they're like, yeah, but like physically, like what's your physical type? And I was like I mean, I don't know, I guess I'd have to be like attracted to them, but I don't really, I don't really know until I know, you know, I don't really know until I know, you know and they're like okay, whatever you're a lot.
Speaker 1:I feel like that's exactly how I was too. I was like I always felt like I was more attracted to just the feeling I got when I was around someone, or like their energy or their personality. Yeah, kind of like what you're saying. It's like I knew what it felt like to be attracted to someone, but I but it wasn't like, oh, I'm attracted to him because of the color of his hair or the color of his eyes. It's like it was like a case by case base, you know. But but yeah, looking back on that, it's like, oh yeah, I was just kind of assumed that myself and all my friends, we were all just dating from a pool of other white people. So because of that, or maybe because of other factors too, I only had relationships with white guys.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So it's interesting like how we both kind of came out of those situations and then somehow found each other. So I guess we should talk a little bit about that and just like what our experience has been kind of in our first and hopefully only interracial relationship definitely had some fears going into it as far as, like, am I going to be like too different from what you're used to? Or, like you know, is there going to be that culture shock that is going to make this like, like, make it difficult to be compatible, like, did you, did you have any of those fears or any fears like?
Speaker 1:that I definitely think I had similar fears as far as like like.
Speaker 2:is he going to know all the Taylor Swift songs? I know?
Speaker 1:Yeah, but you know the strong white culture of. Will he be okay if I wear Uggs and leggings every fall? No, but I think I, I think my fears were more around how I would be perceived by you as far as, like, I think I do remember when we first started dating, I was really worried about am I going to say the wrong thing, or am I going to accidentally say or do something that that is offensive or that is racist, potentially, and just not even realize it? And yeah, and then I think I did have some of the same fears as you as far as, like you know, will it just just, will this just seem too different to him, since you had been in a relationship previously with someone who was black and like, would this just feel uncomfortable to you for some reason?
Speaker 1:But at the same time, I think, like through our conversations, I knew that you seemed like a very open minded person. Like we kind of talked about the fact that, like, neither of us had like a specific type as far as physically, you know, physically, or I mean you basically just said that your type was just me. So that was great. You're like, yeah, once I saw you, I was like yep, no, gentlemen. Yeah, take note. Yeah, but yeah, I definitely think it was probably a case of like fear of the unknown, you know, like fear of something that is new and different, but at the same time I didn't feel it didn't feel that scary to me, I don't think.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I agree. I think like I also just remember feeling like, oh you know, am I, am I going to make her worry too much about like being racist or something, or like I hope she's not like somebody who is constantly afraid of that, or like, on the flip side, is like such a social justice warrior that like it's just always talked about, like, oh, are you comfortable, are you safe? Like do you feel like this is an okay spit? Like you know, just like, oh, my God, and I feel like we both did a good job of making each other feel safe in that regard Like you never really like brought up race in like an uncomfortable or forced kind of way, like if it was a genuine question you had, you would ask me, and I think that was important is, like you know, feeling comfortable to ask and and also me feeling comfortable for you to ask. Like building that kind of rapport I think was really important early on in our relationship.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I feel like you definitely did a good job of being like. You can always ask me anything. You don't have to feel uncomfortable or weird if you do have a question about something. But then, yeah, you also said that you felt like I didn't treat you differently because of your race.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's just because I'm a huge freaking dork.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just treated you differently, like you were, you know unique.
Speaker 2:So how would you say, since those early days, those days of y'all, how has it been as far as like being in an interracial relationship for you?
Speaker 1:I would say it's been a lot easier and just more normal than I thought you were going to say.
Speaker 2:I would say it's been a lot.
Speaker 1:I did kind of pause between it's been a lot, it's been horrible, it's kind of no, I think, like you know, when you talk about like those fears we had before the relationship, and then now I'm like, oh yeah, it really isn't something that I think about that often, like it's not. Like I wake up every day feeling like, oh my gosh, we're so different. We've definitely had a few more difficult conversations that we needed to have and, yeah, like you said, it neither of us feels uncomfortable asking questions or talking about things when we need to, but it's not something where it's like every single day we need to be bringing up the fact that I'm white and you're. Yeah, like it doesn't really. I feel like on a daily basis it doesn't affect our relationship, but every now and then there are things where it's like, oh yeah, that maybe someone looked at us or treated us differently because of that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would say, for me I feel the same way, like I don't really think about it much, if at all, unless like there is like a cultural difference and I try to be cognizant of that.
Speaker 2:And you know, I mean I just really feel comfortable around you to be myself, and like I don't have to act a certain way or talk a certain way or like eat a certain way, because you know, I mean, I know there's obviously we'll get into that in a minute but you know, I just don't really feel like I have to change who I am. And that was like a really great realization, especially because when I was in my previous relationship I felt like I had to change who I was, not at all in terms of culture, cultural stuff like that was fine, but just in terms of like behavior and like attitude and stuff. I feel like she had like kind of a kind of an idea of like masculinity and stuff like that, and I certainly was not really into her idea of masculinity. I'm glad that we both, you know, have really not had to change for each other.
Speaker 1:I am curious to hear how you think we've worked through any of these differences that we've had, or like what do you think are the main differences we've had and how have we worked through them?
Speaker 2:I definitely think one difference I noticed or like not even difference, but like thing that we had to like kind of establish or talk about was just like the idea of like white privilege and like what it means. Because I think, like you know, growing up in a African-American and a Romani household, like you're just always taught to like watch your back and be careful and just be aware that, like sometimes things will not work out for you or not be ideal for you because of who you are, and that has nothing to do with who you are, but it's how people perceive you or treat you because of that, and you know, some people will get treated differently or better than you because of their own background, and so you know there have been certain times where things have come up where it's like, oh, they were nicer to you or they talked to you or treated you a certain way because of privilege. And I remember early on in our relationship, you know saying that and I know at first right, like you had some difficulty with that term, right.
Speaker 1:I didn't respond in the best way when you that conversation we had early on, when you kind of brought up the idea of me having privilege or you know specific situation or something we went through where that like showed my privilege a little bit, I think I I think a lot of people see that as like oh you're, you're saying that there's something wrong with the way that I was raised or there's something wrong or like almost like a judgment on me or on my family, and I think I took it in that way instead of being like no, actually you're right, that is just a fact that any person who's white does have that privilege that people of color don't have.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so when you say like privilege is kind of one of the big differences between us or one of the hurdles we've had to go through as far as like having conversations around it, I think so, but I think you have done an incredible job, like a plus job, of just like learning and when you realize, oh, this is something I actually don't really know about or understand, or like I'm not really understanding what he's trying to say, taking a step back and really like trying to educate yourself or at least hear my perspective, and I feel like that's actually helped me learn too about your perspective and like you know your view of like wait a minute, like you know, when I hear him say privilege, I think, like you know somebody who's like intentionally acting a certain way because they're white, or like somebody who's wealthy, you know, or like privilege in that sense, and like you know just learning like from me, like no, no, no, privileges, like multifaceted.
Speaker 2:I think I really appreciated that from you and I feel like it really like helped us with trust and I think it was also a lot easier than we both expected to actually have that conversation, at least for me.
Speaker 1:I think from the beginning of our relationship, we've been able to have really good conversations about a lot of different topics, and so I think, yeah, that was kind of another example of that of like, oh yeah, we are basically comfortable to talk about anything together, but well, okay, so privilege aside, do you think there are other things like that we kind of had to had to work through, or like interesting kind of challenges?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think one kind of lighter one, I guess, would be like food, the types of food, that which like in some ways you know. Obviously I'm not saying that every single white person eats a certain type of food or every turkey sandwich, or every kind of black person eats a certain kind of food.
Speaker 2:She doesn't want to say. She doesn't want to be racist.
Speaker 1:I'm weak, but yeah, no, I think like there was certain foods that, like you had growing up that I did, that my parents never made, or like I mean, I guess the funny example is that I cannot handle spicy food at all and you love spice.
Speaker 2:Yes, I come from two cultures that love spicy food, especially Romany people Like it's, like you're two years old and you're eating ghost peppers.
Speaker 2:Let me tell you and I'm just kidding it's not that spicy, but it's pretty spicy.
Speaker 2:So that was, yeah, that was definitely an interesting hurdle, but I feel like that was a good experience for me to be like okay, yes, you grew up in a strong, in two cultures that strongly emphasized it. Yeah, but, like you know, you got to learn how to cook for other people and like be accommodating and like you can still season that thing, you know, if you really want to, but for you and like for her, like maybe a little bit less, and like I don't know, it was a good lesson for me on like you know, being, like you know, like obviously I feel like I've introduced you to some different flavors and cultural things. It's just like you have to me. But we've also, like been, you know, tried to be cognizant of like, okay, like that's his favorite thing, it's a little spicy, I'll take one for the team and have a bite. Like me, like, oh, that's her favorite thing and I usually have it spicy, but she doesn't like it that way. Let me make sure and make it the way she likes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I do feel like you were good about not being judgmental, or, like you know, I felt kind of like nervous at first of like, oh, is he gonna be like this? This white girl like can't handle any spice on her food. But no, you've been really nice and you've been like, and we've been cooking together more, which has been fun, because you will, you will ask me, you know kind of, for my opinion, I'm like, oh, what, what kind of seasoning do you want to do? And I have been trying more stuff with or or. You'll be like, okay, it's a little bit spicy, but I just want you to try it.
Speaker 2:And yeah, and I was like my tongue is on fire. No, okay, maybe I just thought of another one Maybe this is the last one which is like tone and like just kind of like the cadence of the way people talk. Basically, like I know a lot of. Maybe this is like somewhat of a stereotype, but I definitely grew up with this experience of, like you know, in people of color's homes like sometimes there's like different kind of vocal emphasis on words, so sometimes things can sound a little bit more like shouty or like urgent than, like you know, maybe the way that you grew up or like the environment you were in and like yeah, I definitely think that's been something that's come up over and over in our relationship, where it'll be like why are you talking like that?
Speaker 1:And you're like what are you talking about? Like, or I'll be like it's just your tone. Like your tone, you sounded annoyed or you sounded mad, like I thought you were mad at me. It's like to like, in my head it's like oh, if someone is talking louder than usual or saying something with a lot of emphasis, like that means that they're angry or they're yelling.
Speaker 1:And that is something that I've had to work through or work on, you know, since we've been in a relationship and it's just been a matter of me kind of reminding myself like everyone has different styles of communication. Everyone has different tone and different ways of talking and different ways of saying things and like yeah, I think we've done a good job of just having good communication around it. At any time that I feel like I'm like oh, for some reason, I thought your tone sounded a certain way. I will just tell you that and then we'll talk about it and you'll be like oh, no, that's not what I meant, and then it's fine. So do you feel like you have any advice or anything that you've learned from being in a relationship with me that you'd want to share with the listeners.
Speaker 2:Absolutely, and thank you again for having me on here. Let me commandeer the show. I think the first piece of advice I have is if you feel a romantic connection to somebody, do not let racial stereotypes or pressures stop you from loving that person. Simply let that person's consent, or lack thereof, stop you from loving that person. Don't make decisions on who you like based on what you think other people will say. Make them based on your feeling.
Speaker 2:They're definitely where girls I was attracted to when I was younger. I was like, oh no, I probably can't date them because what would people say or what would they think, or what would that person themselves think of somebody like me wanting to date them, and that's ridiculous. There are so many people in this world who are probably way more similar to you than you think, who could be from a different background, and it's just worth a shot. You shouldn't let this weird taboo that again stems from really horrible old stereotypes from 100, 200 or more years ago get in the way of your happiness. That's the biggest piece of advice I have, at first at least.
Speaker 1:I'm glad I had you on here. I knew you'd be good at this. Yeah, no, I feel like part of what you were saying too, which is something that I mean I agree with all of it, but I felt like an element of what you were saying was like don't you really have to like not care what other people think? In a way which I think is a lot harder when you're younger like you know, like you shared when you were in high school and stuff. Like people just always asking you oh, do you like this girl? Just because she was black or whatever. But I think as you get older, you kind of learn to not worry as much about other people's perceptions or judgments. So I definitely agree that that is important and then I would just say don't limit yourself based on either who you've previously dated or the type of people your friends date or whatever I think you know. On dating apps which I know I'll do probably several episodes specifically about dating apps, because there's so much to talk about.
Speaker 2:Shout out to anybody who's never used one, including myself let's go, yeah he is a unicorn, he's never been on dating apps.
Speaker 1:But yeah, I think there's so many people that get on a dating app and set their preferences to only show them people of a certain ethnicity. And you know, some people might say like, oh, everyone has their preference, everyone has their type or whatever. Just like some people, like people who are tall or whatever. But like, I just think, yeah, kind of like what you were saying, colin, like don't limit yourself, and because you basically are cutting out an entire group of people or multiple groups of people based on one factor. So, yeah, if you're out there using dating apps, I would just encourage you to get out of your comfort zone a little bit. If you feel like your comfort is dating someone of your same ethnicity. And yeah, I guess the only other thing which I'm curious to hear if you agree with this or not is that I think Interesting aren't they? Like actually, no, I disagree.
Speaker 1:I feel like, in general, interracial relationships are not as different as people would think they are. Yeah, kind of like what we said earlier, like I feel like it was overall, there's not there wasn't as much of a learning curve or as much of like there weren't as many differences between us as maybe we would have assumed before we started dating. So, yeah, that's just another. I guess another thing to think about is, like, if your fear is around, kind of like what I said, like the comfort zone or the idea of like there being so much, so many differences between you, yeah, I would argue that there can be just as many differences between two people who come from the same ethnicity or background.
Speaker 2:Absolutely Like going off of that. I would say look for people who are similar to you. You know and I mean similar to you who you are as a person, not your background, not your parents idea or your friends idea of who you are, who you are. Find somebody who's like you, who likes to do the things that you like to do. Don't think about what the idea of who you should be is. Think about who you are and who you want to be with based on that. That's what it is, because I guarantee you, if you go into a relationship being phony or asking for somebody to fit a mold, that isn't really even what you're about or what they're about. Something is going to break, something's not going to work. There's going to be some sort of tension. The foundations are weak. It will not survive. Focus on what you need and what you're looking for and find somebody who's looking for the same things or similar things, and don't be afraid if they look different from you.
Speaker 1:I feel like we pretty much covered everything we wanted to cover. Hopefully you all found this episode enlightening or interesting, intriguing in some way. I'm definitely going to get him to come back on again.
Speaker 2:Put me in the hot seat, the seat that makes this noise.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the squeaky chair in the background. Yeah, so I think now we're going to go cook some dinner and maybe he'll make me eat something spicy. We'll see.
Speaker 2:Don't knock until you try it. She tried grits this morning, folks.
Speaker 1:I didn't eat grits for breakfast, but, yeah, thank you for joining me.
Speaker 2:and any last words, last parting word, I really wish I'd known about this podcast like 10 years ago, so I'm so glad you're doing it.
Speaker 1:Oh, thank you. Well, I'm so glad you encouraged me to do it, and I really wouldn't be doing it if you weren't so supportive.
Speaker 2:Enough making the audience third-wit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, anyway, talk to you next time.
Speaker 2:Bye. No, you hang up first.
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