Queerly Beloved

Exploring Heaven on Earth with Andrew Sartory

• Wil Fisher • Season 3 • Episode 12

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In today’s episode, I have the joy of speaking with Andrew Sartory, someone who began as my mentor and coach and who I am now honored to call a dear friend.

Andrew loves supporting people in creating and running businesses, and leading organizations from a foundation of true peace, joy, and alignment. He guides people toward generating wealth and income in ways that feel authentically joyful and fun, all while maximizing their positive impact on their organizations and the lives of the people they serve  

My coaching journey with Andrew was a roller coaster ride filled with leaps of faith, intense challenges, profound breakthroughs, and joyful celebrations. He helped me uncover shadows I wasn’t aware of and consistently supported me in viewing life through a spiritual lens, a rich topic we dive deeply into during this conversation.

Andrew shares insights on genuinely living a "Heaven on Earth" experience—embracing the beauty and joy in every aspect of life, including the tough stuff. We explore the powerful concept "I Am One With Source," discussing how embodying this belief transforms perspectives and softens judgments. We even bravely tackle how to approach politics through a spiritual lens of unity and love, with Andrew passionately sharing his conviction that love is always rising, despite external appearances.

Andrew also generously shares his practical and playful personal framework for creating a heaven-on-earth life, anchored by his three sacred pillars: Peace, Presence, and Pleasure.

This conversation was especially sweet because we recorded it together in person—a first for this podcast. If you’d like to see our conversation visually, please check out the video on my YouTube channel! https://www.youtube.com/@willfullyliving4357

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Wil Fisher  0:02  
Hello, Andrew, welcome to queerly beloved, my friend. Thank you. I'm so happy to be here. It's so fun to be doing this in person. It's my very first time doing this a maiden ver, a maiden voyage of in person interviewing. So thank you for inspiring that it's going to be kind of interesting. I feel like watching the video, like paying attention to the video and where the microphone is, but I think ultimately we're going to forget all about that, or I am anyways,

Andrew  0:32  
I know I'm just going to look at you. Okay. Yeah, that totally works. That totally works.

Wil Fisher  0:38  
So yeah, let's begin. And let's start with the first question I asked all my guests, which I didn't share with you, as I do some of my guests before we went on. It's a creative question, and it's a fun question, and it is to tell me who you are in this moment, but tell me by describing the perfect drag avatar that embodies that?

Andrew  1:01  
Oh, my God. Oh my god. The perfect drag avatar that embodies who I am in

Wil Fisher  1:08  
this moment, on this day, like a repulse Drag Race Queen. But it certainly could be.

Andrew  1:16  
I'm so overwhelmed with the potentials and possibilities. Let me

Wil Fisher  1:20  
know if you want me to start,

Unknown Speaker  1:22  
okay, if you want me to start, I

Wil Fisher  1:24  
can start. I can come do mine first, if you like, Oh, uh,

Unknown Speaker  1:29  
well, sure, okay,

Wil Fisher  1:31  
let me breathe into

Unknown Speaker  1:32  
it.

Wil Fisher  1:35  
Ah, yes. On this day, on this Friday, I am feeling like this kind of rainbow bright I'm feeling this like rainbow, bright avatar. And it's in part because I just came from a hot breathing yoga class, and I'm still getting accustomed to all this color on my skin, right? I just finished this tattoo, and so in Bikram, I'm staring at myself, you know, checking my posture, checking my positioning. And so I'm with myself and my body. I'm shirtless, and I'm aware of all this new color on my body. And so I'm feeling connected to all that, that brightness and that color that is on my skin in this moment, but also is shining through in other ways. I also just launched a new, awakened hearts retreat. So I've got other things that are like shiny in my field, right? And I'm just feeling this kind of shiny, bright beam of light that's coming through, and it's multiple colors. And so this queen is seeing her wearing this very flowy rainbow dress. And it's almost like her dress is made of rainbows. So it's like a flowy dress made of rainbows. And she from the top up, she's got, she's like, shirtless male chest, and she's got, like, a flowy unicorn kind of mane of rainbow hair, like hair made out of rainbow. And, yeah, she's got these beautiful light blue eyes, and she's just twirling and dancing and shining her light. I love it.

Andrew  3:16  
I love it. I love it. I love the dress made of rainbows. Yeah. Thank you me too. Well, I was, well, I was just envisioning just like, a lot of white and flowy, long brown hair and but when you where I and this is like a great segue for I think we'll be talking about today, because when you say who I am today, well, I'm like, today. Well, I'm like, Well, I am one with source. I Am One With All That Is, and that's true every fucking day. So, like, how? But today it's all I've experienced a lot of emotions already today, a whole lot of emotions, a lot of super happy emotions. We're like, oh my gosh, my mind is blown. Like, this thing unfolded in a way so much better than I could have ever imagined with two of my top business partners, wonderful and and then also just feeling some heaviness today at points and so, like, how would that fit in the drag. It's like, now I'm seeing, like, I'm in this white Floyd dress, and like, I've, like, got like an anvil in one hand, and I'm just able to hold it all and then just like a lightning rod in the other hand. Just like, yes, so that's, that's my drag. I love it. Powerful.

Wil Fisher  4:40  
Yeah, I love that. Yeah. So let's get into that, because we've already we've already teased it this idea of I Am One With source, I Am One With All That Is, share more about how you hold that belief, how you how you embody that and. Yeah, and in what ways does that impact your your your life, your day to day? I know it's a big question to start, but, you know, she brought it this queen, she invited it in, so we're gonna go there. Ooh. So

Andrew  5:14  
wow, wow, wow, wow. Well, it's been something I've been practicing for a long time, and it's something that I hold and embody. It. No two days look the same. Every day is completely unique, which is very trippy. So slowing down for me is so important a lot. Like, like, you know me, I'm, I'm, I'm the self proclaimed, like, slow down King. Like, that's I was like, so I don't know if I've ever had a full hour long conversation without slowing down and taking deep breaths at some point.

Wil Fisher  5:56  
Okay, but it takes a breath.

Andrew  6:01  
So much of it is perspective. It's perspective. How many masterful people do you know who have spoken about the Now moment is all we have? Like, I'm not like, I'm not the first person that has said we are one with source, sure, right? I learned that from other people, sure, and then, and there's so many master wil people that have come before me, you know, like Eckhart, Tolle, Buddha, Jesus Christ, and you know, all these principles, the kingdom of God is within and and so I've always thought like, well, how what is it like to actually live this and believe this? Like people talk about these things because they're meant to be lived and practiced, not just like talked about and then forgotten about when we go to work or when it's time to make money or pay bills or have a relationship with somebody. It's like, I've asked myself this for a long time, what does it mean to actually apply this to every single aspect of my life, like eating food indulgences, if I'm choosing to watch porn or not? And yeah, I know that. Yeah, no,

Wil Fisher  7:21  
it gives me a lot to work with in that what is so exciting to me in what you describe and what I've been able to observe and learn from you, you know, as a mentor, as a teacher of mine, is this level of commitment to embodying the belief or the paradigm of we are one with source and an easier way for me to look at it. And maybe it doesn't resonate with you, but it's to be seeing the world through a spiritual lens, on the day to day, on the minute to minute, right? And I feel like for my path and many other folks I know who are committed to a spiritual path. They we I'll just speak for myself. I will find opportunities to see through the spiritual lens, and especially if I'm really struggling with something, I'll be like, Okay, how can I pull up and really see this from a spiritual lens. And I also will see something through a spiritual lens when there's a great, miraculous thing that happens, or some fabulous synchronicity, and I'm like, wow, spirit is so present. But what I see you doing differently is it's a next level commitment, where it's like everything is through a spiritual lens. Like every moment is through a spiritual lens. And that's what I feel very inspired by, is that level of minute to minute commitment to I'm seeing this through a spiritual lens, because I know that I am source, and all is source.

Andrew  8:57  
Yeah, I absolutely agree with that. And I wonder, how would you define what does it mean to see things through a spiritual lens? If I can ask you

Wil Fisher  9:05  
a question, well, so I would say you can absolutely ask me questions. I would say that it's seeing things through this lens of I am source, and all is source, and everything that is happening is source, which, put another way is, I am God, and all is God, and everything that is happening is God, and God's work. And put another way is, I am love, and all is love, and everything that's happening is love at work, love in action, love in play. And, yeah, I mean, so I think when I think that that's a concept that people can understand mentally, but to embody is where the real challenge comes. And so I'd love for you to share about how that's been for you to apply that spiritual. Lens and that idea of I Am Love, actually, first of all, does that resonate with you?

Andrew  10:05  
Yeah, I was gonna say from all those are true. And the one thing that had to be true for me was like, God has to be love, like, like, because I've, I've had lots of moments where I wasn't, I was struggling with my faith and things and, like, I remember praying to God, like, Okay, God, like, I'm going to believe in you. I'm going to give you all I've got on one condition, if you are an unconditionally loving God, like, if you're not love God, like, I can't set me free, but God and so, but that was, you know, a little while ago, and I don't remember it's anyway, so, and

Wil Fisher  10:50  
were you able to when you, when you made that cry, that prayer to God, I'm I'm here. I'm yours, if you are unconditional love, what? What did you what was the next step there for you?

Andrew  11:02  
Um, I mean, I can't even remember exactly when that was like, because I've made that prayer many times, like, like, I might have literally been coaching you at the time when I was making that prayer, like, having, because I told you behind the scenes, other faith stuff I was having, sure, but for me, I'll share kind of how I'm seeing things now even more clearly that is helping me embody it more beautiful. So if, if God is love and God created all of us. Love created all of us. God created him, humans like himself. Love created love like itself. So like we are all love at the core, like we can't be anything but love and so and I love, when I think about Christ and the Second Coming metaphor, I love. It's like it already happened. The second coming already happened. That love, unconditional love, Christ, energy has risen up and so many people all over the world, and you. And from my understanding, Jesus said we are going to do miracles just like he did. And even more, and and I think we already are, depending on how we look at it, we already are like we're navigating so much in today's world and the human realms that Jesus didn't even have to think about. And so it takes a lot of mastery to be a loving, sovereign being, to lead others to access more of their love, which you do? So great. Um, and so the way I see it, like, we'll talk about the 5d perspective, a bit like there's a lot of chart. I've heard about people talking about 5d for years, but I really just started getting it like this the last six or so months, but it's so it's being able to understand, like, yeah, it's all love. Like, if someone's angry or upset, it's coming from love. If someone's and this is where it's like, I've asked myself the tough questions, like, if someone's whatever it is, like, it can't it can't be conditional. So that means, if someone's literally murdering someone, there is love in that and and that's that's where people are like, whoa, like but it's so the way I see it, it's love is rising up in all of us all the time. Every moment of every day, more love has risen up in the world now than there was since we started this podcast. Like the world is more conscious and more loving now than it was 10 minutes ago. And when I think about that, that's trippy and amazing, but we were born into these human bodies, with these human perceptions and these human realities, and human minds, and our minds are just trying to respond to the love that's rising up in us, and sometimes we don't fully know how to do it in a way that feels loving, like and and so because we're human, and we also identify with our human body and we identify with the human bodies of our loved ones, we want to protect ourselves. We want to protect our family. And so that's been one easy thing for me to understand. Like, if anyone's doing anything that you like, murder, really heinous things, or they're somewhere, somewhere down the line, they think that that's what they need to do to live a better life for themselves. Or. Or to help someone else have a better life. And a lot of times they and that's where, like, I also aim to be completely non judgmental. It's been part of my journey to just know, like, I can't know what someone else's soul journey is. People get to be responsible for their own decisions. I think we're all sovereign adults. I mean, there I'm talking about adults. There's children in the world, and that's a whole other dynamic. And also the principles still apply, but maybe there's more nuances photography, but I think we have an adult audience, sure, but I always think about the people who have who are parents and they have young kids, they're like, Well, what about okay, yeah, my mind always goes to like, how people, because it are gonna poke holes at Yeah, because I know I tend to talk big themes, right? And I know it's as you know, it's all, there's 1000 more. There's 1000s of moments that happen each day, and there's 1000s of ways these can be applied. Of course, I don't feel like I fully answered your question. You answered

Wil Fisher  16:09  
a lot of questions. So one of So speaking of poking holes, I can imagine a person listening to this might hear that bold statement of there's more love on the planet just in the time that we are recording this podcast, that love is ever growing, right? And I think that a whole I could see someone pushing back at is, yeah, but when we look at the news today, there's so much chaos and so much trauma, and there's, you know, just today, there was like a fight in the Oval Office, right? And so at the highest level of leadership in this country, we are seeing something that most people would identify not as love. And so what is it that helps you feel like you can hold on to this belief or this way of being, that love is always growing? What kind of proof do you look to? What? What, what? Where do you? Where do you find results that help you stay solid in that yeah,

Andrew  17:10  
perspective for me, like, what is in my actual reality and my actual lived reality? Like, who are the people I'm actually talking to, the people I'm seeing? Am I having loving experiences with them? Am are i Seeing? Am I seeing the people in my life thrive in like, new ways? And for me, it's like and it used to not always be this way, so that's why I had to practice so much faith. A lot of it was practicing faith without evidence, yes, so that's one piece I've practiced a lot of faith without evidence, which is kind of, you know, the magician, yeah, that we've talked a lot about, yeah, works together, but now it's like so with the news and stuff. And also, I believe, above all else, after Burke, I believe

Wil Fisher  18:11  
love it's love.

Andrew  18:14  
It is love it that's another funny thing, like, because I believe, like every day of our life can feel like the best day ever, because we're growing more conscious every day, we get to have new wisdom and and we're the sovereign creators of our reality, and the more conscious we are, the more joy and love and abundant feelings we can create. And so I've literally had thoughts of like, oh, that means anytime I burp or fart, it's like, the best burp ever. Yeah, it's the best part ever. It's the best trip to the bathroom I've ever had in my life. Wow, and, and I'm not Yeah, so it's just fun things to think about for me. And it's not like I think about that every single time I burp or fart, sure, but that there's a

Wil Fisher  19:00  
opportunity in every new moment than it is about coming back to the the moment. This moment is the only moment, and when we are able to connect with that level of presence, then that does make sense to me, that would be easier to hold on to this perspective that love is ever growing, even when someone else might be staring at the news and feeling the exact opposite, right?

Andrew  19:31  
And one thing for politics that has been so helpful, for me, so helpful has been really trying to come to a true place of understanding of both sides. And so I've so I met my husband volunteering for Bernie Sanders. So I was like, very like I was a hardcore Bernie Sanders supporter, like I felt so much rage. And. Anger towards the main candidates that were not Bernie Sanders and and now, as it was coming along, this time, I'm like, and there are like major players, you know, there, there was Joe Biden, there's Donald Trump, there's RFK Jr, when he was running independent, there was and then Kamala Harris and I was like, what was wanting to see the perspectives and like, like, people love. People are really voting for Joe Biden. People are really gunning for Trump. People are really gunning for RFK, Jr, yeah, everyone that's really cheering for someone, they're doing it because they think that person's going to be the best person to lead the country. It's coming from love. You could also say, yeah, there's lots of fear. There's Oh, people were voting for Joe because there's like anyone but Trump. So this fear but, and they were, and it was coming from love, ultimately, at the core, and then obviously Kamala and I made a prayer that I was like, I want to feel unconditionally, peaceful and happy and loving towards all of the candidates no matter who wins. I want to be able to feel like because I also reminding myself and and I know there's a perspective like, Well, yeah, you're a privilege, so of course you can make that statement. And I also believe every sovereign adult, no matter what skin color you are, no matter what sexuality you are like, we all have the ability to sovereignly create our own heaven on earth experience through our mind and consciousness. And so I knew that no matter who became president, like my own, continuing to have the best days of my life is completely up to me. If the person I really wanted to win one, it doesn't make my life any easier, if the person I didn't want to win one doesn't make my life any harder. And in the news, it's like when I see something and it's I don't spend a lot of time looking at the news anymore. I used to a lot. And what I would just so what I would just tell someone is, remember that, like your life is here to be enjoyed, like everyone's life is it's like your life, it's no one else's life but yours. It's here to be enjoyed and and it's, it's, yeah, I there's so many, it's such a sensitive topic. And I know there's like, so everyone has different perspectives and stuff. And so it's hard for me to say, like, blanket Lee, how to approach it, sure, um, but like, like, I can see why. A lot of really, really, really loving, loving, loving people voted Republican. I can see why a lot of really, really, really loving people voted Democrat. And and it's like, it's, and I can see the perspective of, like, pick your poison and sure, and it's, and it's like, which news Are you watching? Is the news sharing the whole side of the story? Because when I was really looking at both sides, it was kind of eye opening to me. It's like one side has just completely said this side is the devil, and it just feeds that narrative, and it tries to make you hate the other side, like, like, I I've seen some stuff on MSNBC that I completely disagree with, like, where a moderator was basically telling people in the LGBT community that, oh yeah, if you have a relative who voted Republican and then just boycott your family. And I'm like, That's not and I'm like, that's like a Harvard trained psych psychotherapist saying that and spreading this divisive message, wow, like, and it's not so black and white where like, the like, I just don't buy the narrative that anyone who voted Republican hates gay people and is attacking gay people like I You could if you want to play devil's advocate. Okay, anyone who voted depending on what research and what story you go to, and I know a lot of people won't like this, but it's like a Republican might say anyone who voted Democrat is like, trying to poison children with, like, un moderated vaccine schedules, you know? So it's like, it's, there's lies on both sides, right, right and and there's and no side is it? You could anyone. You could make, like, 100 page documentary and novel about how each side is so evil, so correct. Stopped, and so terrible, it's like, but is that the fun thing to do, and the fun thing to focus on that is

Wil Fisher  25:06  
that the solution too? Right? It's like, when we, one of the last interviews I had was with Micaiah, who, you know, and I, we spoke a lot about bridge building rather than bridge burning, and that that's, we're in a world right now with a lot of bridge burners, yes, then we see host, you know, is a great example of that. Like that people think that the solution is to completely distance and create more division, because they're so they're so shocked and horrified by the actions of others, right? What's a different way that we can do it?

Andrew  25:39  
Yes, and this is okay. And at the same time, I'm so glad there are activists, sure. I'm so glad there are activists that are blowing whistles, that are When, when, like someone in when, like the Iowa I again, I'm not the most reversed and what's actually happening, but I think I saw like an Iowa Republican person legislature, like they passed a bill to get rid of, like, civil rights protections for trans people in Iowa, yeah, and I'm so glad people are protesting that and stuff. What I this is what I had to do. And I was so into the Bernie Sanders thing, and because it was so easy for me to watch the news, news news news, news, what I told my and but watching the news and getting mad about it and just posting angry on Facebook doesn't help anyone. Really help anyone if you really care, if you're so angry that you really care, it's like for every 30 minutes or you just been watching the news, volunteer for 30 minutes. Take action like actually take action. And when you're doing that, you're gonna meet people who think similarly to you, who you're probably gonna get along with really well. And I met my husband that way. There

Wil Fisher  26:54  
might be some fun in that exactly going back to exactly enjoy this life, exactly be find joy in our protesting Exactly,

Andrew  27:03  
exactly. And I've had so much joy in that, and like volunteering, going knocking on doors, and yeah,

Wil Fisher  27:10  
it's more empowered approach Exactly. Yeah, much less of a victim approach, and more of an empowered approach. I love, right? So let's move on from politics back into the it's still another potential like poke at this, this perspective, right, which I really appreciate that when you're describing your drag avatar, you also mentioned that there, in addition to the beauty and expansion and excitement and joy that you've experienced today, you've also experienced heaviness, and so I'm curious about how you wrap your head and your heart around some of these more challenging emotions like heaviness, and how how they fit in with This idea that we are living heaven on earth.

Andrew  28:02  
So from the heaven on earth perspective, from the 5d perspective, it's like all is well, like all is good, right now, no matter what's happening, like everything is love, whether this body is here in an hour or not, like everything is lost, like, like the soul lives on, you know, and, and so it's part of it's like getting To and see the beauty in it. And, it's something I'm still getting even better at. But I was telling so having coaches is really helpful. First of all, like I was in a session with the person serving me right now, and Ted Smith, who, you know, and it was funny, like, Okay, this is silly, but I was having the thought, like, when I was in my like, stuff like, I feel like everyone in my life is happier than I am. And so it's like, I just, like, voiced it and allowed myself to say I feel that way. But part of it's, it's knowing that I can have feelings and thoughts, but these are not permanent, and they don't define me like so it's, it's having, it's having, like, a higher awareness of, yes, I'm having thoughts of sadness, or yes, I'm having feelings of annoyance. I'm Yes, I'm feeling judgment towards someone or towards myself right now. And I know it's all happening for me. It's all rising up within me so that it can be recreated in the light in a higher form of consciousness. It's. And it's, and it's all, yeah, like, and so it's, it's being able to have a higher awareness that it's, there's nothing wrong that I'm feeling this way, you know? And again, it's easier said than done sometimes, sure, but the better we get at it, the longer we practice it, the easier it gets,

Wil Fisher  30:24  
beautiful. And I also love hearing that for you, it has obviously taken time to get to this level of embodiment and and you're still on that path towards more embodiment, right, towards more being closer to enlightenment. We might even call it right when we're talking about living in this presence of God and acknowledging it in every moment that is moving up towards enlightenment, right? And so I appreciate you expressing that even within this committed perspective, that there's a way to still be with that, that that possibility of challenging negative thoughts are still part of it, yeah, and we are not our thoughts, and we are not our emotions, and they are not permanent, and There's something of value in having them. There's still love boiling up in in having them. One of the things I thought of when you were sharing this was because it relates back to this idea of everything all is well. And another way to say that is all is perfect, right? All is perfect exactly as it is right now. And I the closest I've ever come to understanding that truth in my head and my heart was with the assistance of five Emil DMT, but there was a moment where I was like trying to have the right music for my experience. You know, it's a very short experience, and I was in this very sacred space, held in a circle with these two amazing medicine women who were serving me and and I was, you know, trying to make sure that my mat was perfect and the music was perfect, and everyone was praying in the perfect way, and everything was like, all my preferences were in place so that I could have this, like pristine experience, and then, like, something happened with the music. I don't it was, like the wrong music or something. And so what happened in that moment, though, was like this realization that no matter what had happened, that it was all perfect. And it was like it hit me like a ton of bricks of just like, it is all perfect, no matter what. And I literally was in a bathtub, like, after I got back from the retreat, I was staying at a friend's place in San Francisco, and I, like, was in the bathtub sobbing for hours, and, like, for days after that, anytime I would think about that concept that it's all perfect, I would just stop it was like, it was like so much for my conscious to wrap its itself around. And it still is. And I, you know, it's very hard for me to go back to that level of knowing that I had it, you know, in that moment, of course, and in the days that followed, but it because I had such a profound experience, I'm able to still recall it logically, but it feels like something that I see in you is that you're able To embody it more onto the day to day. Yeah? Thank you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Does that inspire any other thoughts around It's all perfect or or even moving more into the 3d 40 5d you know

Andrew  33:56  
so well you sharing that now is it's what's present for me is where I have even more opportunities to embody it even more, yeah, and, and that's, that's A beautiful part of it is, and, yeah, it's so one thing that I've been realizing more is how many extra thoughts I have in a day where I'm trying to think about something in the Future, or wondering what somebody else might think. And, and I even told you this like, this is my first time doing a podcast in a really long time. And I was like, what are all the hundreds of people going to think? And, and when you were said you were in the bathtub crying. Saying it's like, when we look back at our past and think of like, how much we resisted things or struggled or worried about things, and then it just turned out to be okay.

Wil Fisher  35:16  
Like, so Okay, so well. Like, it's so fucking

Andrew  35:22  
much energy and time did we spend stressing that? But, and I could say that we didn't need to, but we did. It's so It's all perfect that we did that in the past. And, and so, like you said, you said, it's taken me a long time to get to the level of embodiment I am now and and that's absolutely true for everybody, sure, whatever everyone's embodying like, we're all the culmination of our lives experience, like, right here, right now,

Wil Fisher  35:53  
and perhaps past lives experience as well. Yeah, yeah, serves lives experience as well. It's a lot Yeah, lead up to this moment, yeah,

Andrew  36:03  
but yeah, we could talk about how this 40 5d

Wil Fisher  36:07  
Yeah, one piece that I wanted to pull back to I just recalled is this thing that I heard You say around practicing it before you fully had that faith. It's almost like a fake it, fake it till you make it kind of thing. Can you share a little bit more about how that has been for you? Like, how do you kind of trick yourself into it's almost like trick what the way I'm receiving it is almost like tricking yourself into faith.

Andrew  36:43  
Okay? So I wouldn't say it's necessarily tricking myself. It's like, it's like, what do I want to believe in? You know what like? And I've taken a lot of times looking at principles and learning how energy works too, like, like, like, I've studied like, Bruce Lipton, and a lot of energetics too. And, you know, law of attraction, all those things a ram Hicks and, yeah, there's, yeah, that's what

Wil Fisher  37:27  
just came up for me, as you explain that, is that perhaps it's a matter of recognizing this is possible. People are talking about this. People are writing books about this. This has been these concepts and ideas have been passed down and have been present for humanity for a long time. And I don't know for sure that they are absolutely true, but I would like them to be, and I'm going to choose to to move into faith around them and see, yeah, like, almost as an experiment or something, yeah.

Andrew  38:04  
And I think you're like, and you're really great at doing this with me, like, you're really great at, like, finding the holes that I haven't quite found the words to explain yet, sure, but it's, I think it's also a matter of, what are we focusing on because sometimes the evidence is like the evidence actually is already there in countless, countless, countless ways and and when I if, yeah, it's so I'm also finding it's more challenging for you to talk about the past And the future now than it used to be. Wow. Like, yeah. Like, for energetic attraction coaching, we were leading a new like, aligning with your dreams and visions. And I used to always feel like, imagine, like, three months from now, a year from now, where you're going to be out. I can't do it anymore, like my body won't let me so, but I can help people invoke power and sovereignty right now, like access the power, the love, the radiance you already have within you now, and feel it more now and amplify it more now. So, okay, this was a helpful thing for me, because I had a lot of stuff around, okay, what if God does punish gay people? What if that's true? Well, I had the, this is going to be advanced stuff.

Wil Fisher  39:34  
Yeah, great. So, okay, we've already done something pretty advanced. Okay, okay, I

Andrew  39:39  
realized I said, like, well, even if that is true, if I were to just go and divorce and try to date a woman now, I would have been doing it from an energy of just trying to get it right so that I wouldn't get punished. That wouldn't be the highest sovereign energy that would have been like that little a. Obedient child, and it's like, okay, and, or if, if hell does exist and gay people go to hell, well, what do I know about living life on earth now, and peace and joy, and how to and I understand whatever, if I'm in a peaceful and joyful energy, when I create something here on Earth, I get to stay in a peaceful, joyful energy with that creation, with that relationship. And I know like energy attracts like energy. The more peace and joy I'm embodying, the more peace and joy other people around me get to have, and they also help me have more peace and joy. And yeah, just kind of rambling, yeah,

Wil Fisher  40:47  
no. I mean, you know, again, I feel like what we're talking about is the power of presence, the power of this present moment. And then when we apply this message of we are meant to experience joy on this planet, then how do we go about playing that game of enjoying this present moment? And sometimes we might be playing that game with this idea that you go to hell if you are gay. So okay, I'm still going to play the game of like. I'm going to be as joyful and at peace as I can in the present moment, but I'm going to do it even with that information right here, right and and how is that going to impact it? But maybe I can actually let go of that possibility and really just commit to this other paradigm. And it's like, it's a lot of like playing with different possibilities, but continuously coming back to the present moment, to the spiritual lens or the the knowing or embodying that I am source, and everything is source. And then the third piece would be coming back to this commitment to living the most joyful life possible.

Unknown Speaker  42:07  
Yeah, yeah, those feel

Wil Fisher  42:09  
like three tenets of this idea of living heaven on earth. Yeah, living the best day ever. Yeah. And what am I missing? Or what? What am I so?

Andrew  42:21  
So in my framework, and, and it's also for a lot, like, I know a lot of times when people hear me talk, they think I'm talking I sound selfish sometimes now and like saying, like, I don't care about the mishaps or the the challenges other people face, sure, especially

Wil Fisher  42:40  
when we think about, well, it's just our job to be as joyful as possible, right? Yeah. Well, what about the people who are being authorized Exactly?

Andrew  42:49  
And what I what I believe is the most peaceful, joyful version of ourselves is the most positively impactful version of ourselves, like the version of ourselves that makes the most positive impact in the lives of others is a part of us that has is experiencing the most peace and joy. And people have heard like you gotta put your own mask on first. But so the three pillars of my framework are peace, presence and pleasure. So peace is the first one, and so it's, in a summary, it's like radical acceptance, radical acceptance of everything that is happening right here, right now. Yes, if we're resisting something that's happening in this moment, if we feel if we're judging it, if we feel like it's not good, or if we just can't accept it, then we're not going to be at peace, like, and it's like, what we resist, persist, right? That was, that was just one thing I wanted to add. And then, yeah, presence, and so many amazing people talking about presence, and that's what Jesus talked about, like the I am, like, I am, that I am the i amness. And that's, that's what we all are and and so if we all come from source, and we all come from love, like we all have access to all of the wisdom of Jesus, the Buddha, anything and everything amazing archangels, like, within us all the time, all at once,

Wil Fisher  44:27  
because I am, yeah, I am all of that yeah, and

Andrew  44:31  
simultaneously, like, we're no valuable than, like, a speck of

Wil Fisher  44:34  
dust. I am the speck of dust. I am Archangel wil Metatron. I am, yeah, it's

Andrew  44:41  
Yeah, and that's why it's just so fascinating. Like, we're, like, we're so like, in our bodies, there's a there's galaxies within our body, like, just within our human body, there's galaxies, and then, and then our human body is, like, one of Bill. Ends on this one rock that's surrounded by other rocks even bigger.

Wil Fisher  45:06  
Yeah, no, so it's okay. So now we just hit the piece and we hit the presence, and now talk a little more about pleasure. So

Andrew  45:14  
pleasure is and that's like getting to experience joy and pleasure in all things like, like, sometimes when I feel, if I have, like, a good sad cry, like, this feels so fucking good. Oh yeah, like, I love just like, and, and more recently, I was feeling really angry, and I was like, This is really fun. Like I was in my car by myself, and I was actually, I don't remember, I was angry at my husband. I was by myself and, and I was just like, so as you know, sometimes we'll just do like, we'll just, like, leave voice notes and rant, like, just to get it out. And I was doing that like, in my own channel, not to my husband, but like, ranting, being angry, letting it out. And I'm like, this is fun. Like, I'm just letting this out, this anger out. And I know I fucking love my husband. I know everything's good and well, even though I'm feeling angry as fuck right now, yeah, and it's perfect. It's great.

Wil Fisher  46:28  
Oh, good. And you can even find pleasure in it, yeah, yeah.

Andrew  46:33  
And then, and then I also believe when we can slow down and be present, like, like, let's just practice something now, even for the audience. Like, yeah. So it's just like, just connect with what's present right now around you in this moment. Like, just notice the amount of pleasure you've been feeling so far in this conversation, the joy that has been happening and so for you and me Wil, just like all the conversations we've had that have led up to this moment with each other, the house that we get to be in right now, there's these beautiful plants that I can just tell these plants love and adore us, and we love and adore these plants, Right? If I kiss your plant? Yes, no. Okay, yeah. Ah, okay. And there's just so much richness now, the fact that we have the ability to record a conversation talking about love and consciousness and and the fact that people want to listen to this, and the fact that anyone you listening to this, you are strengthening these ideas of love and the consciousness. And when you you're doing a service to the world by taking in these messages, it's like, how much more pleasure do you feel now when we just slow down and acknowledge some of these

Wil Fisher  48:18  
things? Absolutely? Mm, Mmm, yeah, right. I feel like I can feel it expand in my body and in my cells and in my in my vision, even it's like, yeah, so so much to receive pleasure from in with all the senses, with all the the knowings, with all the thoughts, all the feelings, and to remember that there's availability for that always in every moment, even in these moments, like you were saying, when we feel really angry or when we feel really sad, Like, what if we can find pleasure in those moments? Yeah, that feels great. I love this. I love this. So we've covered a lot of topics. One of the things that we had talked about prior to jumping on was this concept of 3d 40 5d and it's one that I have hear people in the spiritual spaces speak about a lot, and it's one that I've never really, you know, gone down that rabbit hole, and I feel like it's something that you do play with, and I'd be curious to hear some of your thoughts about it.

Andrew  49:40  
So yeah, so the 5d is very much what we've already been talking about. Like all is, well, yes, there's nothing bad happening. Like Heaven on Earth is already here. It's pure love. It's like being able to see everything as pure love. What? And one thing that's it's like thinking about baby. And children, like, when you see children being angry, you don't well, maybe you punish them, but you don't

Wil Fisher  50:08  
lose love for a baby, yeah, a baby like you just love it like it's perfect, exactly. Love it. It's life, it's just expression

Andrew  50:14  
and just being able to see. We all have that in us too, you know, and and we're adults who are more powerful babies and so and we're and we're not at the same time. Like, thinking about babies, they just summon so much to them, and they don't have to do anything. Like, so that's 5d like, I don't have to do any work. Like, I'm whole, I'm complete. I'm already healed. I don't need to heal anything. I'm already perfect, whole and complete. I don't I've I don't need to heal. Like, I just get to play, have fun. I don't have to work hard if I want to work hard at something like, for me, I, you know, I love to, like, do handstand training and stuff like, yeah, you could say that's hard work, but I'm just doing it for the pure fun of it, sure. And I love challenging myself in that way. So, so 3d and this is 5d that's five and down to three Yeah, so we'll go down to 3d so 3d is like, so it's like, This is who I am. It's I kind of view 5d and 3d as the same in a way, but the 3d is just not seeing it as pure love. But it's fixed, okay? And this is a new link. This is a the way I'm sharing this with you right now is the first way I've ever spoken about this. Okay, cool, 3d and 5d are fixed, like this is how it is. It's unchangeable. But of course, in the reality, things are changing, but it's all this, you know, like, of course, like things are moving around, like this is changing, but it's all pure love, and that's fixed, okay, 3d is like, nothing I do will, like, help me. Like, it's like, it can, I can't even talk about it. It's like people that are really in 3d are probably not investing in, like, coaching work or going to therapy, sure, like pretty much anyone listening to this is not living in 3d Sure, most of the time. Sure, we can all have moments where we have 3d thoughts, just like I can have the three thoughts. I view it as perspectives, yeah, and frequencies. So it's like victim, like, if I'm born into a family without money, I'm nothing I can do is going to help me have money no matter what I do. Yes, oh, my family has diabetes and is overweight, I'm going to grow up and be overweight, you know, like, nothing I can do. Yes, um, that's 3d 40 is like, the energy of transformation, okay? And

Wil Fisher  52:53  
it's like moving more into possibility consciousness, yeah, yeah.

Andrew  52:57  
And so that's like, what a lot of like, the coaching work is healing work like, like, a lot of

Wil Fisher  53:03  
people move out of 3d into 40, or at least, be in 40 frequency, more frequently,

Andrew  53:10  
yeah, yeah. And it's, and it's usually like, Okay, if I change this, or if I heal this, if I invest in this course, then I'll be able to get this outcome. Or, yeah, okay, it's,

Wil Fisher  53:28  
there's results, there's, it's like, yeah, yeah. It's meant to yield results,

Andrew  53:33  
yeah, yeah, because my life will be better when I have that other outcome, and this is what I want to change about myself so that I can have that outcome,

Wil Fisher  53:41  
yeah, so future focused, yeah, yeah, okay, whereas 5d is back into the present, yeah. Oh, that's perfect, right? It's very

Andrew  53:49  
present, like moment by moment, like trusting the energy, like doing what brings me joy, no matter what the outcome is like, I'm gonna do this whether or not it makes me money, like or yeah, I'm gonna eat this, because this is what feels best for me to eat right now.

Wil Fisher  54:10  
Yeah. And so what are some of the things that have helped you move more into 5d I mean, I know you're not always living in 5d but I see you sometimes in that space. And also, what are these? What are some practices that help you more frequently see through the spiritual lens? And come Yeah, present moment,

Andrew  54:36  
I feel like more and more like, I guess, like 80 to 95% of my day, like, I'm having the 5d perspective now, like, it's like talking to other people that are in 5d perspectives. So helpful, having conversations with others that are embodying it more and learning it more. And it's you. Right? And it's not about like doing practices to get to 5d. Yeah, yeah, interesting, and so it's right. So it's like

Wil Fisher  55:11  
surrendering into

Andrew  55:12  
Yeah, yeah. The biggest thing for me is slowing down, taking deep breaths. Like, and because it's so easy to speed up and get kind of the next thing, the next thing, the next thing is nice, like, slow down and, like, take three deep breaths. Let's

Wil Fisher  55:40  
just do that. Okay, okay, do

Andrew  56:04  
and stillness and simplicity. Stillness and simplicity are two. Have been two of the biggest, biggest keys for me. I think I'm probably going to create a course around stillness and simplicity at some point nice, but I do talk about it and integrators of light and love a lot, a lot of stillness and simplicity, messages and so stillness and simplicity, so slowing down is often important for that, and just remembering who we are, it's like a great affirmation. It's just like, I know who I am, like just I am love, all is well. I am love, all is well. And some other affirmations I like is there's no place I would rather be than right here right now, like there's no place I would rather be than right here right now, there's nothing outside of me, or even inside of me, absolutely nothing can make me any happier than I already am Right now, because I'm so perfect right now, whatever emotions I'm feeling is perfect. Whatever is happening with my bank account is perfect. Whatever people are thinking about me is perfect. Nothing. I don't need anything to change for me to be happier. So just like, these are the and it's like, Okay, now, now, if I really loved and valued myself right now and every minute is so precious, how do I want to enjoy the next minute? What do I want to think about or focus on the next minute? Do I want to look at the news, or do I just want to sit here and keep breathing a little bit longer. Do I want to go for a walk?

And it's a frequency, like, and that's why I had to, like, slow down so I could even, like, tap into tap into it more you see what I mean? Yeah, absolutely.

Wil Fisher  58:20  
I love it beautiful. Thank you for sharing that. Thank you for inviting the stillness, inviting us to to move into that space. Yeah, it's feeling like a beautiful place to start wrapping things up. Is there some final thoughts or final words that you'd like to share with the listeners today.

Andrew  58:45  
How is this where people like promote things you can, but I'll be

Wil Fisher  58:49  
doing that in the intro and outro as well. Okay, you're super welcome too. Yeah, it's fine, okay, yeah,

Andrew  58:55  
sorry. I should have asked that beforehand. Wherever you are, just remember your peace is so important. You experiencing love for yourself so important. It's so great, so helpful, not only for you, but for the planet. Yeah, I'm so grateful to be here, if anyone wants to dive deeper with a lot of these principles, integrators of light and love, is a great community that I host. And yeah, people can find me on Instagram or Facebook, or for gay men who want to master their love lives, I'm a part of a program called energetic attraction coaching, which is phenomenal. And yeah, wherever you are. Just hope you enjoy your next now moment wherever you are.

Wil Fisher  59:52  
Yay, beautiful. Thank you so much, Andrew, this has been a true pleasure.

Andrew  59:57  
Thank you for having me.