Awakening the Intuitive Self with Juan Francisco

In this episode I’m joined by the radiant Juan Francisco, a gifted psychic medium and tarot reader based in New York City. After experiencing a spiritual awakening in his twenties, Juan stepped fully into his intuitive path, eventually launching his global podcast Third Eye Sight. His work has been featured in Women’s Health UK and The Cut, and he brings a deeply grounded and loving presence to the world of spiritual connection.

Together, we explore Juan’s fascinating journey from conservative Christian spaces to becoming a trusted intuitive guide. He shares what it’s like to deliver sensitive messages from spirit with care and integrity, and how developing self-trust has been key to deepening both his psychic gifts and personal healing.

Juan reminds us that spiritual connection is available to everyone, not just the “gifted.” Through stories, laughter, and wisdom, he offers practical tips on how to recognize synchronicities, listen to your intuitive hits, and begin building your own relationship with the unseen world. Whether it’s playful games with spirit or powerful rituals, Juan makes it all feel accessible and alive.

And in one of the most moving moments of the episode, Juan offers me a psychic reading, bringing through heartfelt messages from my loved ones on the other side (including my Grandpa Bill). His channeling touches on writing, creativity, and how our past, present, and future are beautifully intertwined.

This episode is filled with insight, emotion, and spiritual nourishment. Enjoy!

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Transcript

Wil Fisher  0:02  
All right, Juan, I am so glad to welcome you to queerly Beloved. Thanks for being here. 

Jaun  0:09  
Thank you. I'm so excited to chat with you, especially after listening to your podcast, and so happy I I've discovered your podcast. It's great. 

Wil: Oh, I'm so happy too, and I'm excited to get into your podcast, too. I just started listening to it. And yeah, we definitely have a lot in common with the focus of our podcast, and it's great to get to share this moment together today to co create something. And so yeah, I'm super excited for the reading that we're going to do about midway through this conversation, but I do want to ask you a few questions before we get into that, and I'll start with the question I start all my interviews with, which is, who are you today in this moment, but tell me by describing a drag avatar that embodies that.

Jaun: Okay, so I'm usually all about being spontaneous. But I have to admit, I knew our interview was coming. I have heard other episodes. I'm like, I need to think of a good avatar. So I kind of did totally fine work. But the first thing that came to mind is the phrase cool, calm, collected. And I'm bad at names, okay, but I thought of Coco collected.

Hey, know. I envision her being in terms of representing where I am right now, I see her being like a beautiful woman of color, dark hair, I guess, similar to my features, like dark hair, Tanner skin in just a forest of nature. And she's wearing these, these green garments matching, almost like camouflaging into the nature around her, the forest around her, but then the her skin tone and her black hair is like a stark contrast to what's around her. So it's like being part of something and also separate at the same time, like one with everything and also not individualistic. And I think just maybe looking like that stark contrast a reminder to me of like the chaos of what could be going on right now, my personal life, or just in things out there in the world, but trying to find my center. And for me, nature is extremely important. Even living in New York City, I live near a park. Thank goodness. I feel very lucky to live near a park and just went for a walk with my dog, and it just this. This avatar kind of harkens to that reminder I always have for myself to ground in nature where I can find it in the midst of the contrast that's going on. I love that. I love that we are calling in Coco. I love this Coco and this, this invitation for cool, calm and collected. It definitely is an invitation so needed during these turbulent times. And yeah, I mean, it's, it's another way of saying peace, right, cool, calm and collected. It's like, how can we find that grounding, that, that grounding in steady peace in our lives, and Coco is going to help us through it. So absolutely, we can't always find it outside of us, but we can try the best we can to find it inside. For sure, yes, yes, exactly, yeah. So I also love how you describe that she blends in with nature. She almost camouflages and yet she also stands out. You know that there's this unique expression that is important for her to bring through, and there's the oneness, right? Those two things are happening simultaneously, and, yeah, it inspires my drag avatar today, which also blends in with nature. I'm feeling a lizard vibe in my drag avatar today.

Wil Fisher  3:44  
So I'm in Palm Springs, and the desert heat is hitting me. I mean, I'm inside an air conditioning, but just walking outside, just now, I'm feeling that sun, and I just am imagining myself as this lizard who is just flat against that ground you know, really connecting with earth and blending in with the beautiful colors of the desert, and still holding their own space, right? And when you see that lizard who you've been looking in the same location, and not notice it until it just moves its little tail and, like, Wiggles along. It's like, that's, that's who I am in this moment, I'm just like this, this, this lizard kind of waiting to to move and to find my way through the desert and through these times. I love that. And I have to say, I feel like lizards are underrated. I don't know if that's a silly statement to make, but feel like underrated. They're beautiful, cool animals and yeah, definitely remind us to ground, that's for sure. Yeah. Liz of energy and Coco, they're here. They're present. All right. So yeah, I'm so excited. You know, one of the things that I found so fascinating about learning a.

About you is how you have started your journey in your relationship with spirit through very conservative Christian, Christian background, you know, as a born again Christian, and that you are now a psychic medium, and it's just a pretty extreme Then and Now journey. So I'd love for you to just talk the listeners through that a bit and share whatever you feel called to share of about that journey. Sure,

Jaun  5:26  
and I'm sure I've told you this before, but I call myself double whammy. I'm gay and I'm psychic, like, there's, there's no, there's no women with the with the traditionalist church signed by me. Yeah, I grew up in a pretty spiritually progressive family, but they happened to send me to a Catholic school for middle school, and then a very, very, very conservative Protestant High School. I grew up in South Florida, in Miami, which already has its own socio political things going on. It tends to be very conservative in Florida. And even though I grew up in this spiritually progressive family, hearing things like, oh, like your uncle, whom I'm named after, who passed before I was born, you know, he's around you, your grandmother's around you. They're watching over you. I heard things like this all the time, and I felt very comfortable saying things like that to other people. And then when I entered, I mean, I would say Roman Catholic school, there was a little more openness with conversation like that, even though Roman Catholics will not, or traditionally, the church will not green light mediumship. I think there is a mysticism to the Roman Catholic Church, that it's like a yellow gray area, yellow light gray area. So in Catholic school, I actually came more into my own. I became more confident. I had a lot of struggles in the school I went to before was made fun of. A lot was made fun of for the way I looked, for my race, for my effeminate nature. And when I went to Catholic school, for some reason, which feels very contradictory to see out loud, I felt more comfortable, maybe because of the spiritual basis of the school. But then I went for high school to a Protestant, I think, slash Presbyterian, to be specific kind of high school. And that is a whole other ball game. I felt like in Catholic school, the majority of the message was, if you're a great person, if you're a good person, you go to heaven. Whereas in most Protestant denominations, it's you believe in Jesus Christ, you go to heaven. If you don't, you go to hell. And homosexuality, you know, it's just, uh, I was, I wasn't in the closet gay kid. I had a lot of a lot of issue of being a gay person, and I didn't really feel comfortable myself until the age of 21 don't have my first relationship. And in Protestant high school, I really used the religion I was being taught in that high school as a way to cover myself up, to stay in the closet. And I think I was so afraid of going to hell that I started believing and practicing this religion I was being taught to kind of save myself, in other words, like pray my own gay away. Unfortunately, and fast forward, years later, I read the book Conversations with God by Neal Donald Walsh, which absolutely changed my life. The in like a Spark Notes 32nd version the premises that this man in the 90s, he is a writer, but he's writing about his life's problems and his struggles, and he's writing to a God that he doesn't know he really believes in. And then he starts feeling like something is starting to write automatically through him, and he's channeling God. And that's what these books are. And whether you believe in that earned that premise or not, they are pretty brilliant books, and they really changed my life and set me on a path between that having my first boyfriend at 2021. I was really coming into my own. And now fast forward to three years ago. I How old was? I don't know. Forgetting my age, 29 ish, I guess. To start with some context, I've always been fascinated with the paranormal and the supernatural. Grew up watching a lot of the ghost shows, which are silly now looking back, those kinds of shows, but they were fun and they piqued my interest. Was fascinated watching mediums. Growing up, even though I had become very religious, I still had this fascination. And three, four years ago, COVID happened, and everything was in lockdown. I had a tarot deck that I had purchased for myself the year before at a Christmas Holiday Market in Bryant Park in Manhattan, and I started practicing readings. And I did this reading for a good friend of mine, who's also a reader. And in the middle of the card reading, I just felt someone that she knew who was she was very close to. I just started feeling his energy, and I knew his name already based on past conversations with her, and I knew that, I knew that he had been unfortunately murdered, and by just started feeling a message coming from him, and it's the first time that had ever happened in a card reading or in my life. Mm, hmm. And after the reading ended and the Zoom closed, we were not meeting in person, I felt his energy staying with me, and I started feeling and seeing these images in my head, almost like memories that weren't mine, but were theirs together. And long story short, even though this is a long story, so

Wil Fisher  10:19  
just to clarify, were you communicating this to her while it was happening? Or did you close the zoom and then you were like, Oh my gosh, this is still happening.

Jaun  10:29  
Yeah, it's, it's a little bit of both. So when I was what happened is I had, I had flipped a tarot card and got the strength card, and I knew that the strength card has many meanings, but one of them is its association with the zodiac sign of Leo. And I just told her, is there a Leo who's very prominent in your life for good or for bad? And she mentioned his name, I recognize that name, and I just started telling her a very encouraging message from him. And then the Zoom ended. And then I started feeling these things. And I did mention one of those things to her, and she validated them. I had seen the two of them in a car singing to a song together, and I just instantly felt like, okay, there's a special song that has a meaning for her. And I texted her immediately, it was the same night, and she said, Well, I just bought we both had a favorite album, and I just bought that vinyl version of that album last week. And then I started feeling the way he passed, and I waited a week to tell her that, because I really, I was very new to this, and I was, I was not scared. I honestly felt like, who am I to be saying these things or feeling these things like, I don't I'm not a medium. This is like for special people like the Long Island Medium, or Tyler Henry, people were born with this. And I talked to a mutual friend of ours about this, because this mutual friend knew this person who passed also, and she said, I think you need to tell her, just you need to tell her. And so I did, and I actually had looked up some news articles after I felt these sensations and found out that he did pass the way that I felt. And so when I told her a week later, it was just I told her all of that in my process of how I was very concerned about re traumatizing her, because I really want, I like, to be careful about those things. And so she really did appreciate it. And from there forth, funny enough. Two months prior, I had seen on the app, the website, meetup. I don't know if you've heard of it, a psychic mediumship circle, practice circle. And two months before this happened, I thought, oh, I can get a free reading from a medium. But then this happens. I thought, Oh, wait, that's for mediums who want to practice. I'm going to join it. And four years later, I'm still going to that circle almost every Tuesday. Amazing. So I just started developing from there. Wow.

Wil Fisher  12:47  
That's so brilliant, wow. And so these gifts started coming online, and so you started practicing there. And I'm just curious what was it like for you to start being more public with it, to, like, tell your friends and family that, I mean, you talked about the double whammy of gay and and medium, was it also a bit of a coming out process to share with people that this was something that you were doing.

Jaun  13:12  
Well, I'm I'm very blessed that my family is still very spiritually progressive family, and when I told them what had happened, and what I was exploring, they were very excited for me and and when I told my friends, they were also excited for me, some were like, Oh, that's cool. Like, I don't know what you're talking about, but that's cool. And some other friends were really, really into spirituality and intuition, tapping into intuition. Were really, were really excited for me. This is still something like, just now, I'm starting to share it with people at my nine to five job. I don't go around and say, Hey, I'm also psychic medium. Like, if I'm asked what I'm doing in my spare time, I may mention it. I'm still very careful about it. I think that's work I have to do within myself. But for the most part, if someone asks me, What do you do the New York City question? I'll say I'm a publicist, and I also work on the side as a psychic medium, and I'm learning how to not have any shame or be afraid of a stigma. Sometimes you get reactions, and if you know that's I'm not for those people, and that's okay, and they're on their own journey. That's

Wil Fisher  14:19  
it. That's it beautiful? Yeah, I'm glad that you're really coming into ownership of it and claiming that gift and then sharing it with the world, not just in your practice with clients, but also in the podcast. I think it's beautiful to see how and you've done it in a pretty short amount of time. So there was one part of the story that piqued my interest, which was, I think you mentioned that this person had been murdered, and then later you're saying that you were experiencing feelings around their death. So was that like painful? And you also said it wasn't scary. So I'm like, how could that not have been scary? Was it if you could just explain a little more about what that was like, or in other experiences where you're feeling, I. What these people may have felt,

Jaun  15:01  
sure, and I'll give, I don't know if you do constant warnings, but I'm going to get a little bit graphic, um, given the nature of what I'm going to talk about, but two things I had known about this person before. I had this reading, gave this reading to this friend that ended up becoming a mediumship reading. I knew his first name, I knew how around, how old he was, and I knew that he was murdered at, uh, by gunshot, those things, and where he was murdered too. I knew it was in the Coney Island area, yeah, um, outside of that, I didn't know any other details. And this reading happened. And then after the reading this, the night keeps going, and I'm starting to feel, you know, after getting the music symbol about the both of them, I started feeling a really intense pain in my left or right, I think was my left temple. It was just a piercing headache, but it wasn't, it wasn't. What's interesting about the way I feel spirit and the symbols and the sensations is I'm not actually feeling pain. I'm just feeling a sensation, but I know it's piercing, if that makes any sense, it's like a knowing. And so I just started getting this really intense headache. And then I started texting this mutual friend. So there was a third person on this call with us. We're doing, like, readings for each other, and they're very close. And I started texting his friend. I told her, I'm feeling this. Do you happen to know if this person, if he was shot in the head, and he, she said, I think he was, and I had the idea of, okay, let me see if there was a news story on him. And then I looked up news articles, and he was shot in the head by gun, gunshot. And so I didn't feel scared, and that's how I know that this was spirit trying to do a work of healing in order to share a message with my friend who was the recipient of the message. I felt, what I really felt was insecurity, because I think I was very I felt very insecure about taking on the responsibility of sharing something so important from the other side. And I think at that time, I also was a very same person, obviously, but also very different person. I wasn't as confident as I am today, but on a really long journey the past couple years of loving myself more. And at that time, I really didn't know how to love myself, and therefore I didn't trust myself. And I think feeling these things from a spirit, and already being a person who couldn't trust themselves and their own intuition, I had a lot of doubt, and I had a lot of fear about disappointing somebody if I were to share these messages with them, or disappointing spirit, and really asking myself, like, who am I? Who am I to experience this? I'm not special. But of course, I personally believe we can all do this. I really think we all are mediums. I believe we're all psychic, especially, and it's about just trusting ourselves. And that's what I needed to do,

Wil Fisher  17:56  
amazing. Yeah. And at some point I want to talk more about that idea, that theory, that we all are mediums, and hear more about how one can develop those capabilities. But before we get into that, I just want to acknowledge that. I imagine sometimes when you do have these messages come through, it can be challenging to to share them, and I'm just curious how you've navigated that. Like, if there's a message that you feel like, oh, this person maybe isn't going to want to hear that, or how are they going to receive that? Do you, do you hold back? Or, like, how do you, how do you navigate that?

Jaun  18:33  
Yeah, I think I wonder, if, wonder if it was really meant to be for me to be a medium, because I work in communications in my nine to five I do think there are two important points here. I think number one is as a psychic medium, I think what's great about development and training is you learn how to communicate in ways that are respectful to your client or your sitter. And then number two, I think as a psychic medium, respecting when a client does not want to talk about something is very important. So with the first thing, topics have come up in readings I've done, whether it's someone who unalive to themselves, or it's the soul that's happened for me personally, where I've I've channeled the soul, a soul who was, how do I put it, a pregnancy that was not carried to term, and it's the soul of that of that being. So topics like these are very heavy, and I think there are ways to approach it and bring them up that are that are more respectful and more conscientious of how the person is going to receive them. I can tell you one of my biggest pet peeves, and I've watched quite a few psychic mediums, whether it's on social media, on Instagram, live or been in group, group situations where psychic mediums bring up topics that are really delicate but in ways that are just way too forward and nonchalant. So I think it's our responsibility to be very to be empathetic and conscious, as much as people a lot of people call. Themselves empaths and do this work, some of them don't really act like empaths in the work they do. And then the second thing is, if I bring up something, whether it's a breakup in a card reading, I bring up the topic of a breakup they had, or I bring up like a pregnancy that wasn't carried to term, and the client tells me they would rather not talk about that. I will respect that. And I believe spirit understands every person's journey. And I am not as the channel. I'm not here to be someone to force, to force the client to think about something, to address something, they have to be ready for it. And I think that's also in in the spirit, no pun intended, of not re traumatizing somebody. I One example I heard in a group was someone brought forward another person's, I think, step father or father, some father figure and said all these things about him, which were true. But then the client, the sitter, said, You know, honestly, I didn't have a very good relationship with him. He was actually pretty mean to me. But the medium who was talking double down and said no, but he wants you to love him, and I'm here sitting like that's not our place to tell someone that maybe she'll arrive at that place where they in her life when she decides to. But these are things that I think psychic mediums have to take responsibility for and be very cautious of Yeah, it

Wil Fisher  21:21  
makes a lot of sense, you know, because it is a, I know it's not therapy, but it's a therapeutic practice and process, I imagine. And in therapy, the therapist isn't going to demand that you talk about something that you're not ready to talk about. They might ask you gentle questions, but they're going to also allow you to steer the ship, you know? Yeah, and I love earlier you were talking about developing more trust, developing more self worth, and how in doing those things, it's actually helped to bring the gifts more online. And I think that's something that we can apply, not just to mediumship and spiritual gifts, but to all areas of our lives, where, when we are able to fully own our worthiness and trust in our capabilities as these brilliant people that we all are, then we are better able to actually offer the gifts that we're meant to offer,

Jaun  22:16  
exactly, Totally And

Wil Fisher  22:18  
so actually, along that theme, I imagine that helped you start to Yeah, to deliver even more effectively. And I'm curious if there were ever times where there were big moments of affirmation or or something like that that helped you feel even more confident in it. Do you? Do you have any examples of like, Oh my god. This is this, oh my God. Is this stuff is real, you know, that kind of moment,

Jaun  22:45  
yeah, and it still happens. It still happens where I'm like, Wait, did that just, did I just say that? Did Spirit just do that? Um, well, I have to say, first and foremost, that. And this is something I heard you mentioned in one of your episodes that I listened to recently. Our guest of yours mentioned about healing, doing healing work from the heart center. And that is something that I had a mentor named Daisy um, she she's at Earth Angel crystal here in Queens, and she taught me how to get out of my head with mediumship. Because I was largely for a year or two, I was channeling and giving healing messages, relaying healing message from spirit. But I was really trying to think too hard and figure things out as I was channeling, and I kind of would get in my way sometimes. And she really taught me how to read from the heart center and really feel, not just think about what I'm receiving, but really feel it and let that dictate how I communicate the message. And doubled with that. I was doing a lot of self healing work, inner child healing work, and loving my inner child, and therefore loving myself more. And just those two things combined really helped me increase my confidence. And so I'm trying to think of a, I mean, a recent example. I had a reading with a client a couple weeks ago where I told her, like the first thing I said off the bat, like we I gave her my intro speech. And the first thing I said was that there had been a gentleman. I'd been seeing the energy of an older man behind her in her room, a very authoritative and loving, protective gentleman. And I keep seeing cars going around in a circle over and over and over and over again. I said, Is there something of race cars, or did he work with cars, like cars? And she said, Like, I literally told who this person was before I hopped on this reading, mentioned race cars because he, he was an aficionado for race cars. So when things like that happen, I'm like, What the heck? And it's because I I do believe that someone doesn't have to completely love themselves to do healing work. I do believe that. I also do believe that when we work from the heart center, I think it's number one shows that we're vulnerable being our true selves and being with within ourselves, with ourselves, and then. Number two, it's just a place from which we can share these messages that are it did just resonate. I personally found that they resonate more deeply with a client or a sitter, because, listen, it's wonderful for me to mention race cars. That's cool, but then what has to follow that is a message that really lands with the person listening that really helps them see something in a different way, or helps them feel like, oh, this person who's passed really is around me, and so I am an evidential medium. But there's nothing like a message that hits at someone's core, in their heart center, that, to me, is way more important than Did your grandma have a gold watch? Oh my gosh, she had a gold watch. That's great. That's supporting. That's the supporting role,

Wil Fisher  25:42  
sure. Oh, I love that so much. That makes so much sense to me. And I love this technology of the heart, right? And that I believe that with spiritual matters, the heart is that the telephone line, right? Like, that's how we speak with spirit, that's how we receive from spirit and offer our words of wisdom, our love, through of Spirit, through us is through the heart, and it's especially important right now. You know, I feel like helping people to cultivate more heart intelligence is one of the most important motions, one of the most important movements of today, because we've gotten so bogged down with our mental capacities, and it has created so many problems. And so I love that you really see the value of that in your work. And yeah, I think it goes beyond just on the spiritual in the spiritual spaces. You know, I teach a class to high, high profile leaders in corporate spaces, and it's, it's called conscious business, and it secretly is about them tuning into their hearts and actually leading with their heart more more so than what they've been doing in the past, which is all mind based.

Jaun  27:04  
Yeah, we live in a culture where tapping into we live in a very anti feminine energy culture, and to many people, feminine energy, and I guess it is, it is feminine energy tapping into the heart, the part of us that is a caregiver that wants to be empathetic towards other people, and we live in a culture that's very anti anti woman, and so it makes sense. In this culture, we're discouraged from wearing our hearts on our sleeves. It's considered weak, but it really is a strength. It's a sign of resilience. I think,

Wil Fisher  27:36  
absolutely okay, great stuff. So juicy, and let's now segue though into the reading. If that feels good to you, sure.

Jaun  27:45  
Let's do it. Okay. So I also start with my speech that I always give to clients and sitters. The way I feel spiriting A message from the spirit is they'll show me images, or they'll have me feel sensations in my body. Maybe they'll bring up a memory you have with a certain soul on the other side when they were in the physical world. If I ever bring up anything that you don't want to talk about or that you find to be an uncomfortable subject, you can let me know, especially since we're, you know, we're recording a podcast episode, and I want to, you know, respect confidentiality and privacy. Um, spirit understands. I understand. And if there's ever something I say, if I do say something that does not resonate, you can just say I don't know, or know that doesn't resonate. It won't offend me. I'm not here to be 100% accurate. I'm here to work from the heart and to be the best channel I can be for spirit. And then the last thing I'll say is, if they bring up anything in the body that I feel a sensation in, I'm never going to tell you or diagnose something to you. I'm just gonna tell you what it feels like, and you do the information what you feel is best for you. Great. You have any any questions? No. Thank you. Cool. Okay, let's see. I am going to tell you something though, we spoke what two weeks ago, and I wasn't going to start with this, because it's very it's very like trying to be evidence based, but I think it's important. After we talked a couple weeks ago, I immediately started seeing the symbol of either fountain pen or a very like a someone special pen, and what I was feeling was like a legacy of writing. And I don't know if you do write or you're planning to write a book, but I do feel like this is connected to someone on the other side who was known for writing, would that resonate with you? Hmm,

Wil Fisher  29:24  
I mean, I am working on a book, and the topic of this book is connected with someone on the other side, yeah, but not necessarily like a writer that I can think of, yeah, definitely an artist. There's definitely, like, some artists, yeah,

Jaun  29:46  
okay, it might be the first thing you said, I'm going to dig a little deeper. So also, what I do, I should do, I should have explained that I do breathe into the messages. So if you hear me inhale and exhale, you or anyone. Listening, I promise is not being a creeper. Awesome. This, this pen that I'm seeing, the symbol of this pen and writing feels connected to an older gentleman. Okay,

Wil Fisher  30:20  
so some older gentleman in my life that have passed, I mean, I certainly my grandparents, my grand fathers.

Jaun  30:28  
Now this is very common, I think, amongst a lot of us who have grandpa grandparents who at least lived in the US, maybe many other countries. But this grandfather wears a military jacket. So this person would have served in the military, wherever he would have lived. But there's something I don't know what it's called when you have, like on a military jacket, the little flaps that button at the shoulders, but there's something specific about buttons, like someone's collecting buttons related to this person.

Wil Fisher  31:04  
Cool. I really know my my grandpa, who I was thinking of, served in the military, and, yeah, probably wore a jacket like that. I don't know specifically what his jacket looked like or or the buttons piece totally

Jaun  31:18  
fine with the button. So I it's like, I see I could, you know, when people have, like, a jar of buttons. So it's either because it's on a military jacket, it could be the gold button itself, but it could also be some kind of a token related to the military or some kind of emblem. So are you aware of someone keeping a physical emblem related to your grandfather?

Wil Fisher  31:44  
Hmm, not exactly. I don't know. So my grandfather died when I was, you know, in college, which was, you know, 20 plus years ago. I mean, as you mentioned that I was starting to visualize this, this jar of of buttons. But I don't know if that was just happening because you were mentioning it, or if that actually existed, but my memories of him and sort of what he might have owned are a little bit fuzzy.

Jaun  32:16  
Got it? Let's see what yeah, he's taking me now to, I want to say like a lake preserve, or somewhere where I'm near a body of water in the middle of nature, and I feel like I'm a young boy and I'm with him, like he's taking me somewhere. Now, whether he would have been present for that with you or not, I do feel like there's a lot of like, would your family have some kind of excursion related to nature or take you all to, like, a park, let's say, for a reunion or something like that.

Wil Fisher  32:52  
Yeah, definitely. I connect with him in nature. So when I think about him, I think about being up in Julian, being, you know, my last memory of him is actually him. I'm sitting on the back deck of his house, and we're, you know, in this really beautiful garden. And I'm, I'm, I'm cutting flowers to make floral arrangements for a, you know, a event, I guess we were doing Easter or something, and he was out there sharing with me his military stories, actually, which I had never really, had never really thought about the fact that he had served, you know, until that moment when he was sharing with me, and That was my last memory of him. Oh,

Jaun  33:41  
beautiful. So I do feel like there is a strong connection with your grandfather's soul when it comes to your artistic crafts and writing. And I don't know if the soul that you have in mind is your writing is your grandfather, but it could be that soul and also your grandfather. I do feel like there's something about your grandfather serving as a kind of first of all, I should, I should preface by saying I do believe that when our loved ones pass, they can be maybe they're not our official titled spirit guides that we have, but they do serve as guides. And so I see your grandfather like a sort of amused as you are embarking on your projects. And I something else I've been feeling about you is I do know a lot about the work that you do, like with Easton mountain and some other workshops you do, but I don't know if I've ever noticed if you do things of body movement, because I see body movement in your practice, whether it's something New or something you might explore soon. But I do feel like your grandfather, he has a hand in how you express yourself through the written word, as well as how you move your body. There's an inspiration there.

Wil Fisher  34:53  
Cool, yeah, that's epic and unexpected. I mean, he's certainly, I. Yeah, he's a playful, he's very playful kind of coyote kind of energy about him. I don't know if I would say that I got to experience him as, like an embodied type of person, but I could imagine that being possible too. And, yeah, and embodiment, so, like physical work is something that comes into play sometimes at my workshops with very little and I and it's a huge part of my practice. And so it's inviting to hear you say that

Jaun  35:33  
wonderful. Would you say that? I did? I have heard your past podcast episodes, and I think I remember hearing that you grew up in a religious household, so that's something I remember you mentioning, right? Somewhat

Wil Fisher  35:46  
religious, yeah, my my parent, my mother, was Methodist, and you know, I'd go to Sunday school and stuff, and then I had these neighbors next door who were Mormon, and I would go to Mormon church with them too,

Jaun  35:58  
right? So this grandfather we're talking about, he wants to bring up church, or the church, institution of the church. So would this? Is this your mother's father? Your dad's my dad? My dad's dad? Yeah, okay. He still wants to bring up something about the church and taking some kind of I uh, responsibility for how the actions he took in raising his family might have trickled down to how you were then raised, and taking responsibility for how you might not have felt seen in The environments that you grew up in, in certain ways. And it's not to say that this is not about judging your grandfather. It's just about, you know, as psychology one on one would say like we are the product as children of the things we're growing up around. And so your parents were once children, etc, etc. So he's taking some responsibility for that. But he seems like someone who you mentioned he has a coyote energy. And I wonder if you meant that he was like that in physical in the physical world. But he is also showing me, even though he is a support, he has a support for the on the other side, for how you express yourself artistically and in the physical world, it feels like there was a little bit of rigidity when it came to the way he saw some things, and that's where he takes responsibility, or how that might have influenced the family. Okay,

Wil Fisher  37:30  
yeah, I appreciate that. And, yeah, and certainly he, you know, he was a older white man, so he was a, pretty sure he's like a conservative Republican, but he was also still loving and playful. But yeah, that's helpful to hear. Now,

Jaun  37:49  
it's funny, if I've never seen this before, but your grandfather's there, his energy is there, and then I see this light, almost like general bounce over and join him. So this, I'm going to assume I'm going to explore this more. This is a grandmother energy. So is, is his partner? Is your grandmother past who would have been his partner? Yeah. And

Wil Fisher  38:11  
so it'd be, I'd be curious to know which of the two grandmothers. So there was the woman that I'm related to, which is my dad's mom, but I didn't meet her because she died when my dad was a teenager, and then the woman that I did experience as my grandmother, was his second wife.

Jaun  38:33  
Okay, this woman feels very tied to a Europe, like an Eastern European, or something like a, like a deep European ancestry. So I'm, I don't know if this woman would have been like if her parents came straight from Europe, or she herself was from Europe, but I feel like a very strong bond, like, for example, let's say like she was a first generation American, or she still had a lot there, a lot of traditions from the homeland, where her family came from, that were carried over here. So would that make sense for one of these grandmother

Speaker 1  39:09  
figures? I'm not sure which one that would be, to be honest. Um, because, because I don't know my, my step grandmother's, I don't think she's that first generation. I don't, yeah, I don't, I don't know if, which one that would be. Let's keep let's keep on digging. So

Jaun  39:25  
I'll tell you that what I saw that made me feel that is I was seeing. I thought it was like, it was Russian looking, but almost like these garments that looked more like pastoral and like from Europe. That's what I kept seeing, almost like, what is that those dolls, I keep thinking, keep thinking of. It's a small world in Disneyland, very specific dolls that are like a doll inside a doll inside it exactly, exactly, yeah. It's like that, those kind of colors and patterns. Parents, that's what I kept

Wil Fisher  40:00  
saying. Okay, so that makes me think of my step grandmother. Yeah, my grandmother, gay, yeah.

Jaun  40:05  
Okay.

She's bringing up, she's bringing up something significant about her hair, and I'm feel like I'm going to the hair salon with her because she wants to take care of her hair. So was, was her hair something that was either very important to her towards the end of her life, something that she wasn't able to like she had she couldn't go to the hair salon, or something like that. Well, in general,

Wil Fisher  40:38  
she'd like to be well kept. So, okay, yeah,

Jaun  40:42  
that must be what it is. She wants to say, No, this is, this is the you said. Step grandmother would have been this grandfather's second wife, right? Because what she's saying really melds wil what he was saying about being that you can pray to Him for inspiration for your creativity. She wants to talk about how beautiful your inner child is, and how she wants, she wants to remind you of like, don't lose sight of that inner child energy, and don't be afraid not to say that I think you are Juan, this person thinks you are. But don't be afraid of being silly, or being of relishing in silliness and just that pure joy. Because she, she, you know, it's interesting how she appeared to me. First is like, here's her grandfather's energy, and then she's like a beam of light that goes, bu, it's like, very playful, very light, and she just has a lot of appreciation for that inner child that's still within you. She's taking makeup. Did she like, I feel like I'm rubbing stuff off your chin as a little boy and so, like, would she always get lipstick on you when she kissed you? And, like, rub it off of

Wil Fisher  42:09  
you? Or that sounds right? Yeah, that sounds right, sure. Okay, so

Jaun  42:14  
that's just her validating the message she just shared that she, she she on top of just loving you so much that she, she really wants to remind you of tapping into that inner child part of you. Okay, I love that so much. Yeah, and just and that, that feeling I got of like someone rubbing my someone kisses me on my chin or my cheek and rose a lipstick off of me, just that very, I feel like, very cared for. And she says it's important that you do that for yourself, to care for yourself just the way I used to show you that love. Show yourself your own inner child, that love as well in that adult for yourself.

Not sure how much time we have left, but I, I guess going forever,

Wil Fisher  42:58  
maybe just, maybe just one more piece, and then we'll Sure,

Jaun  43:01  
sure. I think this might be a young soul. I don't think it's someone in the physical world who's young right now, your grandmother brings forward this younger soul, and it feels like a younger male soul. So is there a younger male who pass before their time. Okay? Now this soul is presenting to me as an adolescent. It may be so I don't know if this person you know pass in adolescence or this. It could be the soul just presenting themselves. But before you say something about that, let me see what else I get on top of the New York City noises, you're here see

This young soul when I started just breathing into who they are and what they have to say, I immediately got and I want to be careful how I say this, because I'm not about appropriating any cultures, but if it's being shared with me, it's important something about indigenous, Native American cultures, the theme, or The topic of that comes up with this young soul. But I almost feel like you mentioned your grandfather being coyote energy. This young soul has a lot of animal energy associated with them. And almost feels like if you were to tell me that you that there is a soul that whom you used to know in the physical world, who you feel appears in animals to you, I wouldn't be surprised, wow, because it's especially like like eagle or like something in flight. I feel with this, with this soul, but not just ordinary birds, something specific, like an eagle and. That's why I mentioned indigenous culture, because there's just something that this is reminding me of, like what indigenous people, some indigenous tribes, believe about, about animal spirit, energy, spirit animals, right? Which I'm not very knowledgeable about, but that's just what I'm what I'm getting do.

Do you associate with this person? I saw their skin change, almost like lose some color. So is this something that this person went through, through an illness or some kind of condition?

Wil Fisher  45:39  
Yeah, I mean, the person that I'm thinking of is, so, I am part Native American. So indigenous, oh, okay, so that certainly resonates. And the person that I'm thinking of is not a relative, but he also carried some indigenous ancestry, and I definitely can see the possibility of him visiting me through animal energy. And it's interesting because just two days ago, I was in a breath work shop, and this image of the eagle came through, and I actually saw an eagle tattoo on my back. And Eagle is, like one of my first spirit animals. So, wow, yeah. So that feels powerful.

Jaun  46:26  
And I think there's a reason your grandmother brought forward this soul. She is sharing so much of that caregiver, grandmotherly energy with the soul. So he's making me feel, is it a male Yeah, he's making me feel like, I don't know how much he opened up to you or shared about his life with you, but he could have, he said, You know, I maybe I didn't have the type of in my in my close circle of family, or the people that I grew up with, I didn't have like, that kind of caregiving around me, or maybe I was feeling like I was missing something, like I was missing unconditional love before I keep going, would you say that this would, this would make sense for his life experience? Um,

Wil Fisher  47:16  
yeah, yeah, it would, yeah. Okay.

Jaun  47:20  
So this is just to validate that when you had that experience of seeing the eagle recently, and it was that it was real, and that now I know that, now I know why he brought up indigenous culture, Native American culture. So this is all to validate that when you have those experiences, you know, they're real, but he's definitely a big part of that. And if I do believe we have a spirit team, it's a team effort, and I don't think any soul works alone, but I think when it comes to specific things like that, that's when those specific show souls, excuse me, are able to shine through they shine themselves through those moments, and so just know that those moments are real and that he's behind them. And your grandmother is like, she's like, playing ringleader with him. Okay, now you come over here. We're gonna have you speak. She's like, let's, let's, let's make this guy. Let's make this guy happy. Let's put a smile on his face tonight. So there's a lot of support for you. And I do want to, before I end this reading in this episode, I want to say that I really want to keep driving home writing. There's something very important about you continuing to write that your grandfather brings up again and that you are divinely supported in that

Wil Fisher  48:37  
awesome oh, I love that so much. Thank you so so so much. That's super, super helpful and beautiful.

Jaun  48:45  
Thank all them, and thank you for trusting me. I appreciate it a lot. It's an honor.

Wil Fisher  48:49  
Yeah, absolutely, yeah. I feel super inspired to, yeah, to get back on this book that I've not been focused on for quite some time. And yeah, my boyfriend just finished his book, and it reminded me, oh well, I've got one that I started and didn't finish yet, and all of this feels very in synchronicity with that. So thank you. Wonderful, wonderful, amazing. Well, let's I do want to keep asking a few questions as we wrap up. If that's okay with you, if you've got the time still. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I mean, you know, one of the things that we started to touch on was this idea that we all carry some of these mediumship abilities, these psychic abilities. And, you know, I also am really aware of queer folks who have similar experiences as you have maybe been under institutions that have not celebrated their queerness or their uniqueness and have then rejected spirituality and then potentially rejected their spiritual gifts. And I'm just curious if you could speak a little bit about your perspective on the idea that queer folks maybe carry certain. In gifts that were meant to share, or what that that that journey might be in reclaiming them? Any thoughts on that?

Jaun  50:08  
Yeah, absolutely. It's it is such a journey. And I first want to say to like the queer person listening like you are valid in feeling that way about religion and about spirituality, you're valid and feeling that way we we can't help just responding to the environments we grow up in, these environments that are not that don't feel safe for us. And so, you know, I'm of the personal belief that I I'll put it this way. Sometimes on social media, I will see a post that implies that we are awake and atheists are asleep. And I personally don't drive with that, because I believe that all roads lead to heaven. I really believe that, and I believe everyone is on a journey, the journey they're on for a reason, and everyone is value fulfilling the way they do about religion and maybe not going going down that path in this lifetime, I get it, and so I don't believe there is a wrong way to just be and as a queer person, knowing firsthand what it's like to grow up in those environments and try to pray my own gay away, it's completely understandable why someone may find all of this, may feel nervous delving into this stuff and the way that I would someone asked me, Juan, like, how can I encourage myself to go down this path or to explore this part of myself? I would say, look within. Because the answers really are from within. The inspiration is around. So the way I'll put that also, is all that you need to know about yourself and how you are part of the Divine. These are answers you can find within yourself, and you can look to towards the world outside, the world around you, to just see mirror reflections of that it's like when you're walking down a nature path. And nature is amazing. And even today, in a New York City Park, where you don't really get exotic trees, usually, unless you're in the Botanical Gardens, but you're just you get these trees. And maybe other people would just think are, oh, they're just average trees. But when you really just pass through and look and just find a bird in them, it's like, wow, these things just work. And maybe, if these things just work all around me, there's something there. There's this there's this fuel that, this engine that I am is relying on this divine energy, and just happen focusing on that, and focusing on on the soul energy that fuels you, and seeing that as part of just everything that is. I don't know if I'm talking gibberish, but I think again, just finding the answers within and looking for the inspiration outside of you. And I think that it's easy when we delve into this journey to look for answers outside of us, for the answer outside of us, whether it's through sex, whether it's through a certain preacher or a medium who we think is like the closest to God, I've been there. I've looked at people that I thought were who are experts in what they do, but I thought their word was the Word, and it got me into a lot of confusion. Looking to outside sources for our truth, it's just not going to work, but looking to them for inspiration is different. And I do believe that mediumship psychic abilities. These are gifts, but I think they're gifted to all of us, and it just looks different person to person. You know, for me, I'm bad with names. I've tried doing names of spirit, and I just am not good at it. Maybe that will change. But for other people, they say, was he Bartholomew? Like, they get it, like, okay, cool, that's okay. Some people, they smell things when spirit is around them. I don't it's different person to person. I like to say this. I like to put it this way. There's Adele and there's Lady Gaga. They're both phenomenal singers, in my opinion, but they've sound different from each other. Adele cannot probably sing every lady Lady Gaga song, and it it won't sound like it makes sense. Maybe now, Lady Gaga, I think could sing any adult song. That's my own personal opinion. But they're both different singers. They're both talented. They both have amazing skills, and they work hard at it too. They're born with it, and they kept it, continued developing and trading it. That's how I think psychic abilities and mediumship is. We're all born connected to the Divine, connected to people. On the other side, it's all about just developing it in the way that is unique to you. And I always tell every client the end of a reading, the only way I'm able to and I'll say this to you, Wil, the only way I'm able to channel your loved ones is because you bring them with you. They're not here in a waiting room with Juan in his studio apartment waiting for wil to hop on you. Bring them with you. And the same goes for psychic card readings, or tarot card readings. Like psychics, I believe, are only able to read someone's cards because they're tapping into the answers already in that person's energy. We're just helping to bring them out of you. Word that mirror reflection, that inspiration, that's so I don't know if that answered your question a roundabout way, but and more. Are,

Wil Fisher  55:00  
yeah, yeah. And so to be a little more practical, are there any things that folks can do to maybe harness these skills? I mean, you know, I love how you go to this Tuesday meetup. Maybe there's things like that, or other practices that people might explore.

Jaun  55:21  
Yeah, sure. It can be as simple as asking spirit for signs and then letting go, because I think when we're asking for signs, we expect something in the next day like tomorrow, show me a blue elephant on a truck. Just ask for your sign from spirit, just as a sign that you're in going the right direction. And then let it go, and it may come to you in a week, two weeks, three hours, just let go of the result. I think, for lack of better word, like testing your connection to spirit, I don't love that word, but just like proving to yourself that, yes, you are connected when it comes to developing your ability, like, let's say, to read other people, or to read situations. Maybe playing like a like, this is gonna sound a little silly, but there is a psychic. I don't know who it is, who posts like, Guess the marble color on Instagram could be something as simple as asking for signs playing a marble game, or something as more involved as joining a group of people, joining a club, or a circle of people who are like minded, who are passionate about this, or interested in it as much as you are, and practicing alongside them. Ask a friend, Hey, can I read your cards? And let's see what happens? And yeah, you know a lot about your friend, but you never know what may come up and see, you know, see, see what comes of it. I think reading a lot of books, if you like to read books or listen to a lot of podcasts, those are two things that really are big part of my journey. For me, podcasts, like a mediumship matters, by Hannah McIntyre, open the door, by Haley B those are two podcasts I can think of off top of my head that really helped me along on my journey, because I felt like there were other people out there who want to talk about this stuff, like you wil, who understood what this journey is about. So finding your inspiration in different places, and I think joining groups, finding a mentor, having a mentor was really good for me. It really get to know somebody well before you ask them to be your psychic or mediumship mentor, and being open to that process as well. And I think there are all of this just being open to being open to the parts are going to be tough. Because I think in, I personally think in true psychic niche development, you face parts of yourself that may feel a little bit uncomfortable, and it's about again, getting to that place where you are being authentically yourself, because if you show up authentically for yourself, you'll show up authentically as an intuitive worker, and you're not afraid to go places where it does get vulnerable, but it's necessary.

Wil Fisher  58:02  
Yeah, it all starts with self. Yeah, that's beautiful. And I love we're the channel we are. Yeah, I love the practice of looking out for synchronicities, you know, asking for signs. I definitely there was a moment where I was really doubting, and I was like, You know what, I'm gonna just start paying attention to synchronicities, and I started to, like, note them on my phone. And the more that I would notice them, the more that they would happen. And then sometimes I would just add a little extra bonus. And you know, I'd have a thought of, like, what sign do I want today? And the thought of a hippo would come up, and then I would forget about it. And then suddenly, you know, hours later, there'd be some truck with a hippo on it or something. So yeah, those those games are fun, to help harness it, to help believe in it. And you know, we talked earlier about the more that we trust in ourselves, the more that our gifts are able to come online. And the same is true. The more that we trust in spirit, the more that spirit is going to talk to us. And so we have to give it a try. We got to explore. We got to experiment. So thank you for that strong invitation to do so, yeah,

Jaun  59:05  
and to your point about noticing the synchronicities. You know, in addition to asking for signs proactively, let's say you haven't asked for any signs, and you just experience something, or see something, and then you feel something. Don't ignore that feeling. I one thing I can, one example I can think of is I was walking my dog against always in nature, but walking my dog, and I saw these two white butterflies, these two small white butterflies. And I've lived where I've lived for, like, three, four years. I've never noticed these white butterflies, but I guess they're now rampant these days. But I noticed them. And then I had a reading with a client within the hour, and I told her, you know, I did see these two white butterflies, and I can't, but feel like it's somehow connected to you. And she did it at first. She said, I don't know. I don't really know. You know, I'm not I do associate with butterflies, but two of them, I don't know. She emailed me the next day and she forgot she had two white butterflies as a tattoo. Are you kidding me? And so, um. When those things happen, I wasn't asking to see white butterflies. Spirit was obviously trying to send the message for me to then relate to that person. But whether you're a working medium or psychic or not, when those things happen, you just see something and just something shifts, or you feel something different, lean into that and just I personally recommend just say Thank you universe. And I believe the universe works with gratitude and it reciprocates, yes,

Wil Fisher  1:00:23  
beautiful. I love that too. Amazing. This has been so much fun. Any final words that you want to share with folks? I'm going to have all your links in the show notes so people can check out your podcast. They can check out your work and connect with you.

Jaun  1:00:37  
Well, thank you so much. I appreciate that, and I this has been so great, and I love your podcast and what you're doing with your guests and and I just enjoyed so much. And I think the if and no one takes anything away from this, if they take anything away from this, I mean to say, I would love for folks to just remember that you have the ability to stand in your power to feel self empowered, and that you don't have to seek something outside to feel that empowerment. You have all the power you need. And I'll say power again. You just you have the power to connect. You are all you are already connected. You may not feel like you are, but it's already there. All you have to do is just lean into it and tap into it. It's not far away. It already lives within

Wil Fisher  1:01:22  
you, beautiful. Thank you so much. Juan, thank you. Wil.