NSW Department of Education Sports Unit: Part 1 of 4: The Hidden Educational Powerhouse: Physical Activity in School Leadership

The vital connection between educational leadership and physical activity takes center stage in this compelling conversation with the NSW Department of Education's School Sports Unit. As school leaders navigate competing priorities, understanding the wealth of support available through structured sporting pathways becomes essential for student wellbeing and academic success.

Andrew Hooper, who bridges the Primary Principals Association and Primary School Sports Association, reveals how these organisations collaborate to deliver Australia's longest-running gifted and talented program. With over 125 years of history, the PSSA offers critical support for principals implementing effective sport programs, from legal guidance to skills development and event management. The conversation highlights how engagement with local PSSA representatives and subscription to the Sports Unit newsletter can transform a school's approach to physical activity.

Peter Banks then unpacks the six arms of the School Sports Unit: representative pathways, disability inclusion, teaching resources, swimming programs, Premier's Sporting Challenge, and policy guidelines. The spotlight falls on the School Physical Activity Health Check—a powerful tool already used by 350+ schools to baseline their programs against research-backed standards and develop improvement plans aligned with school excellence frameworks.

The discussion clarifies common misconceptions, particularly the important distinction between representative pathways and local participation opportunities. Banks emphasises that principals are ultimately responsible for local sporting arrangements and should actively engage in governance structures to ensure alignment with school values and priorities.

Looking ahead to 2025, the Unit's commitment to live streaming 32 state sporting events demonstrates their dedication to equity, particularly for rural and remote communities who can now celebrate student achievements regardless of location.

Ready to enhance your school's approach to physical activity? Subscribe to the School Sports Unit newsletter, explore the professional learning options in the Teacher Resource Hub, and consider how strategic engagement with structured sporting pathways can build both student wellbeing and staff leadership capacity. 

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Chapters

• 0:00 Introduction to Sports Unit Series
• 1:43 Andrew Hooper: PWSA Role & Resources
• 6:19 Sport Pathways & School Implementation
• 10:21 Peter Banks: Six Arms of Sports Unit
• 17:22 Professional Learning & Health Check
• 22:09 Principal Engagement in Sports Programs
• 28:44 Looking Forward: Live Streaming Events

Transcript

Drew: 0:00

Welcome back to Professional Learning's the New South Wales PPA Educational Leadership Podcast. It's great to have your company. This podcast aligns to the values of the New South Wales Primary Principals Association, that is, the values of principal wellbeing, principals as lead learners, as well as supporting principals to lead school operations. If you enjoy this podcast, don't forget to subscribe for further updates. Now let's get into today's latest episode.

Drew: 0:34

Welcome to our special four-part series with the New South Wales Department of Education Sports Unit. We've created this as a special yes, four-part series as there is so much content and information to share. We look forward to sharing this four-part series, which is approximately 30 to 35 minutes depending on the episode. And if you're listening and thinking, how does the school sport unit align with professional learning? Well, it's a great question. The short answer is there is a lot. There is so much evidence-based research science around the brain, alignment with your school excellence framework, well-being, benefits of sport and retention, supporting student with disabilities, as well as practical and sound advice based around current policies, just to name a few. So, with all that, we look forward to sharing this four-part series, as I said, of approximately 30 to 35-minute podcast episodes. References to all of the material shared will be in our podcast notes to explore further In part one.

Drew: 1:40

Our guests are Andrew Hooper and Peter Banks. Let's start now. Our first guest is Andrew Hooper, here with us today. Andrew Hooper is our PWSA representative for the Primary Principals Association. Welcome, andrew. Thanks, drew. Andrew. Let's start with what is your role in two parts in the PWSA as well as the PPA.

Andrew: 2:03

Yeah, I have a very exciting role. So I'm part of the Primary Association (PPA) as the rep, which is Primary School Sports Association, so I float between the two organisations as the principal rep and I communicate information that is vital for the running of schools and information for principals between the two associations. I have a huge passion for sport and I really want to make sure that that stays forefront within education and with principals when they're organising things within their school.

Drew: 2:35

Yeah, very pivotal, very important role and tell us what sort of support can the PWSA offer and the PPA offer to support primary principals or the PPA members?

Andrew: 2:48

The New South Wales Sports Unit has got a lot of people involved in a lot of things that can really support principals in managing different things within the legality side of things, within running programs, support with skills-based how to help with running major carnivals, to just developing themselves as a coach or a manager. They oversee the whole lot of our sport within our New South Wales branch and they're there to support and help principals, as well as teachers and our schools, and their main passion is making sure that kids get that opportunity to participate and follow the pathway programs.

Drew: 3:28

Yeah, such important to ensure, particularly the why goes back to supporting students in our schools. But it's just the navigation, andrew, of getting through all of that in terms of where to go to. Where would you recommend? Do they go to their local representative through the PPA? Do they go through their representation through the PWSA? Can you give us some sort of navigation, which way, which is the best pathway for principals who want to implement sport? They want to implement it correctly? Give us the roadmap or the best way forward that they can access these resources.

Andrew: 4:06

So every local Association has their own PSSA group which is run by the teachers within their area. We really need principals to get involved and support those locals. But also within the PPA we have a PSSA which is a sporting representative in every PPC group and they will give a report at each of their term meetings and they'll bring issues back to the PSSA or through to me that I can take back through either the PPA or so. We've got a chain there and there's a system that people can follow and there's lots of support out there. So we're really trying to get that information out to people to show them what's at the sports unit. We want people to make sure that they subscribe to the newsletter because that comes out once a term and it's got a wealth of information and knowledge within that.

Drew: 4:56

Yeah, there sure is lots of resources and information. That's very valuable In terms of the opportunities and contributions. What are the opportunities that the PSSA can offer to provide value to schools and school leaders?

Andrew: 5:10

Okay, we run a lot of programs for beginning teachers to upskill them so that they can help run carnivals at a regional, state and school level. So we give that opportunities as a trial program and we support those young beginning teachers in that area so that that skills within those schools for a long time. We also, you know, offer coaching clinics, we offer pathway programs for students and we just give a lot of opportunities as much as we can. So we're adding sports in all the time you know and really making giving kids those opportunities.

Drew: 5:44

Yeah, I mean leading those events are leadership skills in themselves, aren't they? You're often imagining that prospect of running an athletics carnival, running a swimming carnival. It's a whole skill set in itself. To bring a team, bring a school, You're not only leading your teachers and your staff, but you're also bringing that community involvement, which it leads to a really good outcome if done successfully.

Andrew: 6:09

It certainly does If you've got a teacher that can run a successful swimming athletics cross-country carnival. They build their skill set because they're working with students, other teachers and parents and the wider community and building those skills in that way are essential to building a teacher's repertoire and skill set.

Drew: 6:29

Yeah, absolutely. Now let's go to the PSSA space in terms of pathway. Pssa has been around for so long now. It's been an integral part of New South Wales public schools. Can you give us a sort of an overview or a pathway for principals who want to support their students in their school, and what are the best pathways that you've seen in your role?

Andrew: 6:56

Probably the biggest thing is that principals need to be at the forefront in their schools and making sure that they give kids opportunities to attend trials, whether it's at a district level or whether it's at a regional level, and support those kids going along in that program and also supporting their staff if they want to get involved in managing or coaching teams as well. So it's a matter of them publicly and, I suppose, within their school, promoting positive involvement within sport, because it's probably one of the best HPGE programs that we have within our system and giving those kids that opportunity. You know it's vital for those students and for all students to keep a healthy, active mind as well. It's a part of, you know, wellbeing as well, a lot of giving those kids opportunities with sport and within our pathway programs.

Drew: 7:46

Yeah, certainly is, and I'm glad you mentioned the high gifted and talented program, because that is exactly what it is. It's been one of the longest high, high gifted, talented program running in in public schools. Do you know, without putting you on the spot, how long this program has been going for?

Andrew: 8:01

Oh, we've been going for over a hundred and you know 25 years, so it's been around and it will be around for a long while. It's one of the oldest programs going around in our education system and it's vital to one of the cogs in our whole system.

Drew: 8:16

Yeah, absolutely Looking forward to further promotion. What are the things that our leaders need to be aware of in terms of PSSA?

Andrew: 8:26

Our leaders just need to make sure that they're supporting teachers within their schools, supporting students to go away and try different sports. That's what it's about in primary school is trying as many sports as you can and getting involved and just having fun and building the skill set within our students, but also our staffs, and just giving those opportunities. So principals need to make sure that they promote and nurture the teachers and the students to have a go at those different sports.

Drew: 8:54

Yeah, that's exactly what it is. It's all about having a go part of being participation. It's so important part of being in primary school to have just access to sport because outside of school there's a lot of barriers.

Andrew: 9:09

There is. There is a lot of barriers and we run sporting programs better than anyone else. We have that control, we have that overarching, I suppose, structure and routines that we set up within our schools every day so we make sure that sports are run fairly and equitable and we give every child an opportunity when we're running events. Yeah, fantastic.

Drew: 9:31

Any other final thoughts or insights or tips and advice for principals listening in.

Andrew: 9:38

My biggest thing is, you know, I would download the school sports unit newsletter. It comes out once a term and there's a wealth of information that'll support schools within their system. So that's probably my biggest advice and just make sure that they keep supporting school and sport within their school and if they have any issues, to please contact either myself or Brett Thurgate. We're the primary principal representatives and we can help sort out any issues that you need to sort out.

Drew: 10:04

Fantastic. Andrew Hooper, everyone our Primary Principals Association, pwsa sport rep giving some very sound advice, so I encourage you to reach out to him, Andrew. Thanks for your time today.

Andrew: 10:17

Thanks, drew, absolute pleasure.

Drew: 10:20

Okay, our next guest is Peter Banks, who is a leader of the school sports unit at the New South Wales Department of Education. Peter is responsible for leading the department's school sport programs and initiatives, so I'm looking forward to really unpacking the work that he leads through the New South Wales Department of Education. Okay, well, welcome, peter Banks. Great for you to join us today. Thanks very much, drew. Let's discuss. Great for you to join us today. Thanks very much, drew. Let's discuss firstly, your role in the sports unit. Could you give us a background to, or our listeners a background to, what your role is and how it can support principals?

Peter: 10:57

Yeah, absolutely. I'm the leader of the school sport unit and my role is really to oversee the six arms of the unit and assist the staff that run those arms to provide the best support that they possibly can for principals and staff around the state. Those six arms if we go through them, we've got the representative school sport arm, which sees children be able to move from school through zones, through their association and onto state representation in their chosen representative sport. That that's a unique program really from around the world because it allows students, through a funnelling system, to be their best, commensurate with their ability. So wherever their ability tops out, that allows the students to fulfil their dreams in their chosen sports. Our disability and inclusion space is the second one of our arms. We're really proud of the work that's being done in that area. We've got two dedicated disability and inclusion officers and I'm sure that both Peter and Anthony, who I know will be coming on later, will talk to you around that. But it's a real growth area of ours and something that we feel passionately about and there's no doubt that it's one of the joys that I've seen in my role in the last five years. The growth of that space yeah, terrific teacher resource hub. Third of third of the arms, where we provide support for principals and staff around physical activity and ways that they can meet the mandate of 150 minutes of physical activity per week in their schools, which is, of course, really important. There's some great resources there which have been developed over the last five years.

Peter: 12:32

Swimming and Water Safety Program Many of our colleagues in schools are involved in that program and certainly we would encourage, wherever possible, because it is a life skill, that colleagues really consider that to be something that they'll put on their school calendar regardless of where they're at.

Peter: 12:48

And there's been some resources developed that sit on our website too, to support those schools that potentially may not be able to get to the water on a regular basis. Premier Sporting Challenge most of our colleagues are aware of that program and it's been in operation for 14 years. Great numbers involved and we know that the slogan of more active more often resonates with schools and resonates with teachers and, of course, therefore principals as well. And then the last of our arms is our policy and guidelines, which I've left that to last because I think from a principal's viewpoint it's the one that they need to be aware of and there has been some significant updates in that space, which probably will be addressed by Lissette King, our policy advisor officer, a little bit later. But I think it's fair to say even in my time as a principal I wasn't fully aware of the support that is offered through the school support unit, and particularly in that space. So really vital that our principal colleagues are well versed in what's available there.

Drew: 13:45

Yeah, so important. And those six arms, just what you've unpacked, all of those crucial part of the sports unit Sitting as a principal. They're thinking these are fantastic programs, but how Peter do as a principal they're thinking these are fantastic programs, but how Peter do as a principal, how do they successfully implement those arms? What advice would you give to principals?

Peter: 14:06

I think the key messaging here, drew, is to have two or three staff members within a school that you have dedicated to, potentially, maybe, each one of those arms. Where say you're aware of the programs? I think the first, the first issue is, you know, some colleagues aren't fully aware of the programs and the support that we can potentially offer, but certainly it's every principal's obligation to support all facets of education and sport and physical activity is vital and we know also that the links between physical activity and well-being are irrefutable and our programs, you know, play into that, you know, certainly strongly yeah, a lot of research and evidence clearly backs that up in terms of educational outcomes for students.

Drew: 14:52

Yeah, it's a real navigation, so it's a it's a communication piece in terms of making sure to try and point where would principals go. Do they go to the sports unit website as a first point of contact?

Peter: 15:06

That's a great question. I think one of the really easiest things to do is to include the school sport unit icon as one of your essentials on your dashboard. Principals have a lot of other essential items there as well and that's just an additional one. But it certainly can eliminate some of the googling into random space if you can go directly to the source and also certainly at the school sport unit.

Peter: 15:26

We pride ourselves on being really responsive. So if you know, we get a phone call, an email, we follow up as soon as we possibly can and the staff that we have here are really happy to assist principal colleagues, endpoint them in the right direction in whatever area that they're looking to gain information in. But that would be the first step, no doubt, is just having that on your dashboard, and I think also principals have an obligation, in my opinion, to encourage staff to be involved, to support staff going out to our programs, because the skills that they learn in going out to our programs there's no doubt that they're transferable to other elements of education. The leadership that they can gain through mixing with other teachers, dealing with other students and their parents in a range of settings, assist them when they're developing in their own career and they take those skills back to their own school and they become better educators back in their own school. So it's a win-win situation.

Drew: 16:27

Yeah, they sure do. Those skill sets do definitely transfer and you can apply those to the many leadership frameworks. Peter, I was going to go into the professional learning space because that's a key component through the association but through the sports unit. Can you guide us in terms of any professional learning through those six arms, potentially that you could navigate principals or those who are willing and able? Principals have navigated towards that website where to go for professional learning opportunities.

Peter: 16:59

There's a couple of our courses which I'll point out to principal colleagues. Initially, and a hot topic at the moment right around the world is concussion and our school sport unit worked with a children's hospital to develop some professional learning in that concussion space and I'd like to think that we're not just department leaders but industry leaders in the provision of professional learning for our staff around there. We also know that most concussions don't occur on the sporting field. They occur in the schoolyard kids running into poles of various nature, running into each other.

Peter: 17:30

So some knowledge around what to do and how to identify a concussion and what to do after a suspected concussion is really vital and there's a really informative professional learning opportunity there for principals and their staff and it's really, I think, valuable for all members of a school, whether they be through to your office staff, to your teaching staff, and I think it's a valuable one that principal colleagues should consider having their staff complete. It's an online course, can be done in two hours and certainly, from my perspective, any teacher that's taking a team away or going to school camp. I think that would be really valuable for them to do and then, in the school setting itself, all I think your office staff should be well versed in the signs as well, and there's some great follow-up sheets that have been developed as well, so I'll point in that direction. Also, the School Physical Activity Health Check yeah, tell us further about that.

Peter: 18:29

So it fits into the HPGE framework nicely and really it's about capturing baseline data for your school, getting an on-balance judgment about where your school sits in the provision of sport and physical activity across the school. So it operates a little bit in a similar vein to the school excellence framework where there's delivering, sustaining and growing and excelling, there's markers that as a staff, as a stage, as a community group, as a student voice that can have input, and then you make an on-balance judgment about where your school sits and that helps then with the provision of where your school really sits in the delivery of physical activity and then what improvements you could make to see that change over the course of your school excellence cycle.

Drew: 19:21

Fantastic, that sounds like a really valuable resource that school leaders not necessarily are aware of and could could unpack. Has it been? Has it been? I'm hearing it saying that would be a fantastic resource. Has it been accessed?

Peter: 19:35

Yeah, we've had over 350 schools access it to date and using it. Whenever we go and deliver professional learning around the school physical activity health check certainly it gets very well received. It's backed in research.

Drew: 19:49

Yeah.

Peter: 19:50

And I think the fact that we give markers of where to next has been really well received by principal colleagues and staff around the state too. And the notion of an on-balance judgment is a good one because often the teacher in a school that loves PE, who loves sport, they have one view of the opportunities and maybe a community member may have a varied view.

Drew: 20:15

So this requires those collaboration over staff meetings with senior executive, led by the principal, to get that true on-balance judgment around collecting genuine baseline data and ultimately a good, fantastic outcome for the school, the school students and the community to see where your, where your school, is at with an evidence-based research framework. So that sounds really exciting for colleagues who or are interested in that, or should say further resources in the sports unit resource hub yeah, there's uh, so many drew that we haven't got really time to go through.

Peter: 20:51

I mentioned all of them, but certainly there's been in the policy space, I guess with some changes in permissions and not necessarily looking at those mandatory.

Peter: 21:03

They're not mandatory changes to policy, but what they are is a streamlining of what's important in putting notes together for kids. I think is really important. So there's some really great flowcharts have been developed to assist, you know, principals and their delegates to understand, depending on the event that the kids are going to, what sporting event, what inclusions they have to have in their permission notes to go out. So just some more direct flowcharts around that have been really helpful as well. We've just held eight drop-in sessions and there's been over 1,300 principals and delegates drop into those. So I think we can't deny the importance of that work and what that speaks to me is that we know principals and their delegates and all staff members are so keen to do their best and to look after the welfare of kids, which I applaud, and it's about for us getting the information out there and hopefully this podcast is just another way that we can do that.

Drew: 21:58

Yeah, absolutely, and in terms of those numbers, 350 is still a good number. But in terms of the broader sense there are 1800 members through our association as well. So definitely room to grow in that area. Peter, in terms of other opportunities through the sports unit you've mentioned, through those key six frameworks as well, are there any other, any other information that our our school leaders or principals, any tips and advice to be aware of that you could give our listeners?

Peter: 22:30

well, there's a's a couple of things, drew, that I could touch on, and I guess the first is and I have mentioned it briefly is the support that principals can give staff members in their school. We can't run the majority of our programs without the volunteer teacher support that comes out of schools, and certainly we understand that at the moment finding casuals is difficult. Budget cuts are affecting everyone, but the opportunities that are provided kids when they come out to our programs and we know how important it is for staff and staff well-being too, when they actually can participate in our programs I think speaks volumes about the importance of them. So if I could make a compassion plea to principal colleagues to really get behind and back in their staff members that wish to be involved in whether it be representative school support, whether it be taking kids to disability inclusion programs, running the premier sporting challenge at their school, or swimming and water safety, I think that would be a great place to start.

Peter: 23:31

One thing that I can mention that I think is sometimes confused is the notion of what's become part of the vernacular of PWSA. I have to be clear that inter-school sport that happens between one school and another school on a Friday afternoon is not part of the representative school sport pathway. It doesn't allow for the progression of students to go from their school to their zone association etc. It's allowing a participation opportunity for children from school A to play against school B. And the reason I raise that is because we often get questions from principals how can my teachers select their team? We've had a disagreement about who should be selected, all these sorts of questions, but really that's a principal's discretion about who is selected and even the sports that they run.

Peter: 24:21

Because at those local zone levels the principals, our principal colleagues, are in charge of the zones. So if there's 14 schools within their local zone, the decision makers within that zone are the school principals. When those zones have meetings and delegates are there, check with the principal and ask the principal how either he or she wishes to vote on that issue, because the school principals are the decision makers and they carry the can for one of them to stay in those zone situations. And I think we just need to be aware that our influence at the school sport unit really starts at the association level and from a representative pathway, it's the pathway programs that we are involved in. Yeah, now there is other forms of representation, like you could argue that knockouts, for example, are representation slightly different and I'm happy to provide some advice around that later. But I guess the key for me is understanding that critical difference between pathway and participation.

Drew: 25:39

It's an important point you've raised, Peter, because that I'm sure you get lots of information or emails or phone calls about that very notion and what is say, pathways, as opposed to your Friday afternoon sport or whenever that time that is agreed to. I guess what I'm hearing is principals need to really step in to understand what is happening in that space at the local level and be aware of what is being voted on, because it ultimately has a knock-on effect and impact in their school context.

Peter: 26:13

Absolutely. We've seen situations where principals have almost been blindsided about a decision that's been made at their local level. Yet had that vote come back to the school for the principal's input, a decision may have been completely different. So I would like principals to you know they have to be armed with that information that they are the decision-makers in that space. To your first point, drew, it's quite funny.

Peter: 26:33

Every Friday afternoon at about four o'clock the phone will ring at the school sport unit with a parent wanting to dispute a netball game's calls between or it could be rugby league or whatever the game is between school A and school B. That could have occurred 500 kilometres away from where we are. We have no knowledge of that and that's the sort of example that we can point out to principals around that sort of local competition, local participation and an understanding of what that is. I also think that it's great for principals to either, if they can't be on their local zone executive because of time constraints, there should be a principal delegate from that group of schools as the highest ranking departmental official to sign off on such things as risk assessments and provide advice and counsel about issues and situations that may be difficult for, dare I say less experienced staff members. Yeah, yeah for dare.

Drew: 27:31

I say less experienced staff members. Yeah, yeah, and absolutely because of all those variables, peter. That is why principal representation needs to be part of those local decision-making processes. Yeah, absolutely, really good points.

Peter: 27:45

We've got some gold standard sort of suggestions around that. So for any principal colleagues that would like to get in touch with me, we can sort of either come to a local zone meeting or meet with groups of principals around that very matter.

Drew: 28:00

Fantastic, Fantastic to hear In terms of other looking forward, in terms of it's been a huge year this year. What are some highlights that principals should be aware of for 2025?

Peter: 28:12

Something that I haven't mentioned, which I think has been a highlight, which will continue again next year, is our live streaming.

Peter: 28:17

We live streamed over 32 events this year and we know anecdotally, but also we've had written support around just how well that's received by principals and their school communities. And certainly if you've got a child at your school that's off at a state event, we know that often principals will put on the vision of that child participating in whatever event, even in their school hall or in classrooms, to allow other students at the school to fully have the experience about what they're doing. And it's aspirational as well For other kids back at the school, who may be younger, to strive for where that particular child is at that current moment. So I guess you know there's something that to look forward to and you know I'd encourage principals if they've got, you know, a student or students offered either a team or individual event, to actually tap into that facility. It's free, it's not free total, but we understand the value of it and are committed to that, certainly at least for another 12 months.

Drew: 29:18

Yeah, that's a terrific resource and I can imagine communities coming together and I'm sure you would have received a lot of positive feedback through principal school communities as well. So fantastic initiative. Did you say 32, peter 32?

Peter: 29:31

events this year and be the same next year in various places around the state. We often get contact from a parent that says that only one of the parents could attend the state championship and it was great that dad could be on the tractor harvesting and watching either his son or daughter in an activity, and I think sometimes we might not fully understand how important that is to families as well. So that's been something that we're really proud of and I think is really been beneficial for our rural and remote colleagues and also obviously remote students and families to be able to access vision of their child's event just through whatever device they have it there yeah, terrific, fantastic initiative and great to know that that will continue into 2025.

Drew: 30:24

peter, it's been a pleasure unpacking. We could go further into this and I'm sure we could come back to further initiatives as well, but those six main initiatives that you've outlined are giving advice to us to access it through the sports unit and to navigate and support Any final tips for our principals listening in, no, just to really appreciate the work that principal colleagues do, fully understand the complexity of the role, fully understand how a principal is stretched in many different directions and understand that this is one of those directions that we're asking for a little bit of stretch.

Peter: 31:02

But I think the benefit of being involved and the benefit that you'll see for all your kids and, of course, staff, will far outweigh what goes into it. But just want to say thank you, drew, for, you know, allowing us to promote our programs in this in this way.

Drew: 31:20

We thank you very much oh absolute pleasure for us as well, just to highlight the opportunities that sport brings to students, but also the, the navigation that principals, as you said, being pulled in different directions with different measures, as you would be aware of as a principal. So it's important to bring it to light and show the importance and particularly can really shine through the importance of the high, gifted and talented policy that sport units. The sport unit does run. So thank you for your time. Thanks very much, drew. Well, that concludes part one with our guests Andrew Hooper and Peter Banks. In part two of this podcast series with the sports unit, we will hear from Anthony Moyes and Michael Kirwan and the impact of their work in New South Wales public schools.