The one with god warrior Marguerite Perrin

This week, David braves Disney on ice, Gavin learns about football, our listener is preggo, Gavin has GOOD NEWS, we rank the top 3 people we wouldn't answer a call from, and this week our guest is god warrior and gay icon Marguerite Perrin, who talks to us about dark-sided stuff, how the gay community supported her during a tragic time in her life, and what the future looks like at the Louisiana county fair.

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Transcript

unknown: 0:00

Oh no.

David: 0:03

This is episode 129, Gaben. Do you not understand what I'm literally setting up to do? Do you not understand how storytelling?

Gavin: 0:13

Sorry.

David: 0:16

Starting over.

Gavin: 0:16

That's fine. That's fine. All right. And this is Gatrio. Oh my God.

David: 0:35

So I want to tell you a story, Gavin. Are you ready? I'm just sitting here with my mouth shut and my ears open. Except for right then. So my family and I, along with some friends, went to Disney on Ice. Yes.

Gavin: 0:52

So jealous. So jealous. I've never been. Is it as good as it was in the 80s that when I didn't get to see it?

David: 0:58

I feel like I went when I was a kid and I don't think it was called the Ice Capades or Campbell Soup Tour or something. But I don't really know.

Gavin: 1:04

What did you say? The Campbell Soup?

David: 1:05

Yeah, it was called the Campbell Soup Tour. And they would take like whoever got second and third place at the Olympics that year. Right. And they would go on tour and make, you know,$100 a week. But um no, so we we bought tickets because we saw it was coming to town, and it was like, you know, kids, our kids should have that experience. And so the tickets were like medium. You could buy really expensive close-up VIP tickets, but also you could buy like$50 kind of faraway tickets. And so that's what we decided to do.

unknown: 1:34

Right.

David: 1:34

Well, Gavin, I knew I would have to battle the souvenir mafia. Oh, I knew, I knew I would, right? I knew that was coming. So I was prepared. What I wasn't prepared for was the absolute audacity of the Disney Aw nice people and what they're charging. I want to let you, I wanna, I'm gonna interview you, Gavin. Gavin, okay. Uh, you want to buy a snow cone. Now, a snow cone comes in a plastic cup and you can choose Olaf or whatever.

Gavin: 2:03

And um souvenir cup that you get to take home.

David: 2:05

Uh-huh. Correct. How much is the snow cone?$12.$24. Gavin, do you want a spoon for your snow cone? That's extra. That's six dollars extra for a spoon.

Gavin: 2:21

Is it a light up spoon or does it change colors with the temperature?

David: 2:24

So there's$30 for your snow cone. Um, Gavin, how much is a soda? Um seven dollars.$45. Wait, what? Gavin,$45. And my favorite. You know the little plastic bubble ones that you like click the button, it's like LED or whatever?

Gavin: 2:45

Yeah.

David: 2:46

$50. No, no. Gavin, when I saw those prices, I almost lit the building on fire because I knew. Listen, we we've all gone to theater and like we're all being upcharged. We get it. The audacity of either the Prudential Center in Newark or Disney on Ice, probably both. I yeah, I honestly couldn't believe it. And of course, now I have to argue with my children because they want the light up things, they want the Olaf customers. Of course they do things, and I'm cheap as fuck. And I'm like, no, you cannot. I'll buy a hundred of them on TMU for$2. You just have to wait eight weeks.

unknown: 3:22

Yeah.

David: 3:22

Right. So, anyway, this this is this is the majority of my story. Is like, I I I can't believe it.

Gavin: 3:28

It is being a parent in this era is so infuriating for exactly the reason that you just said, because so much of the joy is sapped from both the parents and the children. Because the children, of course, are seduced by all of this consumerism, and the parents want to give them a wonderful experience, but we are forced to be like, also, who can afford this shit without complaining about it, right? Yeah. Because everybody seems to have the light up bubble wand things with the shape of your head.

David: 3:55

There were bubbles everywhere. And also honest. I would pay$50 if all those dancers landed all their jumps. How was it? First of all, skaters, I'm I I'm a pro artist, but you gotta land more than half your jumps, girls and boys.

Gavin: 4:15

Not just half.

David: 4:16

No, 50% of their jumps fell on their butts. And we're not talking about like, oh, it's funny that Goofy fell and he was like, it's all in character. No, babe. When Elsa falls on a single Sal Cow, I know there's problems. So if you're gonna charge me thousands of dollars for bubble wands, Olaf needs to do a sit spin. Do you know what I mean?

Gavin: 4:35

Also, you everybody needs to realize that David F. And Vaughn is a bitch and he was a skater. And you would have landed, sister would have landed all of her jumps.

David: 4:45

She would have. So anyway, Disney on ice, listen, it was fun. Like they know what they're doing, right? Like it's it's it's visually very interesting. My kids really loved it. But I did I spent the whole time arguing with my children that they couldn't buy all the things, and then they were upset as we were leaving.

Gavin: 4:59

And it just like, you know, at the risk of trying to actually be um contribute to better parenting and making the world a better place. Wrong dust, bud, wrong. Uh uh exactly. Looking back on it, how could you have done that differently, do you think? Do you I mean, you knew that everything was going to be outrageously expensive. Do you think you could have said to your kids ahead of time, by the way, there's gonna be a lot of stuff that you want. Can you just do me a favor? Let's not consume this overpriced shit, and I swear to God, I'll get you four of them when we get home.

David: 5:32

I th I I I love I love the dreaminess of what that is, but I think kids cannot override the fact that there was a flashing light in their face. I will say there were people outside the theater basically selling the same shit, and they were all saying, Hey, it's way more expensive inside, buy it now. And I was like, Yeah, right, guys. Oh no, they were serious. But um I think the only way, maybe, is going in and saying to your kids, you have a$20 budget. You could buy whatever you want for$20.

Gavin: 5:59

Except that wouldn't have gotten them anyway.

David: 6:01

Well, they could have bought a spoon, they could have had three spoons.

Gavin: 6:04

Wait, wait, please break down the spoon situation for me. They were chart six dollars for a spoon. A spoon. Now, did you need did well as I recall those slushies, you could kind of like tip them back and have them smash into your face. Sure. Yeah. But everybody wants to have a spoon. Sure. Oh my God. Just the other day, just the other day, I was with my son. We went through Taco Bell, as one does, and I got a uh Powerbowl, something, and they didn't give me a spoon. And we were driving, and I looked around in the car, and I found an old ticket, like a ticket stub in the car. And I'm like, Well, we are in a hurry, and I'll tell you why we were in a hurry in just a second. We were in a hurry, and so I just used a piece of cardboard to scoop the Taco Bell into my mouth because I am classy AF.

David: 6:56

I will tell you, my friend Amanda travels with a fork in her backpack because she she calls it her her cake fork in case she runs into some cake and they don't have a fork. So she literally keeps a fork in her backpack. That's anyway that it now that is a dad hack. That is a dad hack. But anyway, that that's the end of my Disney on ice rant. I if if you really want to go, it's really fun. But just be prepared. The the extras are fucking insane.

Gavin: 7:21

So I had a very adjacent experience this weekend that was unexpected. Uh, I have neighbors who have season tickets to the Patriots. Now, for those of the listeners out there, for listen.

David: 7:37

For listener out there, just you almost expose the fact that we have more than one listener.

Gavin: 7:42

For listener out there who doesn't know who the Patriots are, just kidding, we're all not idiots. We like to make jokes about how the Patriots are our favorite basketball team, but we know we're all on the same page. Anyway, I was like, hell yeah, I wanted tickets to an NFL game. That's awesome. So they gave us the tickets, which was super generous. I took my son and we went to up to um Foxboro. And we were a little late because he had a soccer game. So actually, we missed the crowd ahead of time, and we missed the first quarter of the game. But um getting there, my partner actually said, Don't uh don't nickel and dime this experience for him. Pretend it's Taylor Swift for our daughter. And I'm like, Okay, you're right. And especially since the friggin' tickets were given to us, I was not gonna um, you know, penny pinch.

David: 8:22

Football is Taylor Swift for men. Got it.

Gavin: 8:25

Okay. Right, Travis Kelsey, right? So anyway, so we saw the Patriots beat the Atlanta Ravens just barely. In fact, it was a game that just kind of fizzled out because uh the Ravens missed one of their extra points, and it was with only about a minute and a half left, and the Patriots just kind of like sat on the ball, basically. And by sat on the ball, you know what I mean. Anyway, my son, I was prepared to spend$100 in nonsensical food. And instead, to quote my son, when I got the I sprung for not the$7 fries, but the$9 um Parmesan garlic fries, he tasted one and he goes, those were mid. I'm like, actually, yes, everything was mid, including, and I still recall, his$12 cotton candy, his$15 dippin' dots, my$14 cheeseburger, and the$9 fries. Um, and my I don't even know how much my beer was because I just tapped and went. And um, I don't know.

David: 9:26

It was I'm such cliche dads right now, just complaining about the prices of things.

Gavin: 9:31

It was losers or we but it how do people do it? I I look around at all of those fans, which by the way, it was less of a manga crowd than I really thought it was. And also, in contrast to a soccer game I got uh uh went to one time with my son where he was screamed at by other people. Like I'm sure I talked about this uh two summers ago, where he was screamed at by the opposite um crowd because he was wearing the wrong jersey. I gotta say, the football fans were actually really nice. There were there were Atlanta Ravens, I guess, fans around us, and um, everybody was like, oh, that was what a play, blah, blah, blah. But they were all like getting along. Anyway, point being, who can afford this shit? That's what that's the whole point of this. The title of the segment is Who Can Afford This Shit? I don't get it.

David: 10:12

Not us. Anyways, we made four cents last week on advertisements. Literally, I don't even post those emails anymore because I'm like, listener has already seen me post them. Like, yeah, but we still every week it's like four cents. It's like we'll get a thing at our message just saying somebody wants to submit an ad for your show. I'm like, great, accept. And they've paid for four downloads or something. It's crazy. Anyway, moving on. Oh shit. Okay, so no more complaining. Let's talk about two really great things that are happening with our listener. Okay, let's do it. First of all, our first listener, um, I won't say his name because I don't know if he wants me to share this information, but um, our listener is pregnant, and him and his husband um have been doing circusy, and uh, we've been kind of in contact since we've started the podcast. And so they are pregnant and they're very excited, and obviously it's very early and all the things, but it's always so fun to kind of relive that part of the experience again with your friends or or whoever. Um, because you know, you find it or your listener, or your listener, because it's scary, right? Like it's a scary time, but it's so exciting and it's all new and everything. So everyone out there, uh, send good uh vibes to our listener who um is expecting their first. And also, our other listener sent us a dad hack of the week.

Gavin: 11:26

Yes, and so Liam listener. Do we want to name him?

David: 11:31

Well, you just did.

Gavin: 11:33

So go ahead. Liam, who uh who has no problem giving us his thoughts and we absolutely love it. Thank you, listener, and please, all listener out there, um, share your thoughts with us. He said, he wrote us on um uh Instagram and said, Hey, I recently came up with a genius dad hack and thought I should share. You know those little pots you use to put pureed food in for your baby so you could freeze some? The ones with lids? Perfect ice cube maker for your Negroni. And he accompanied it with a picture of his drink in front of the television. And I assume that all children were uh asleep, or who cares what they were doing because listener was enjoying his Negroni.

David: 12:11

Well, listener, I have a problem because you said, you know, the things where you'd puree food for your baby of honey. Ah, I bought shit out of plastic tubs off the shelves at the low-end grocery store and whatever was on sale. I did not pure my baby food yes, exactly.

Gavin: 12:26

You you were not, you were not a trad wife, um trad hubs, staying home and making your own puree food. I was not. It is it is not difficult to make your own baby food. It's really, really easy.

David: 12:37

It's really easy. But I will say I do like the point of it, which is like, hey, listen, just because you're out of that baby phase doesn't mean you can't still utilize these things. So thank you, Liam, for sending in your dad hack. Everyone out there, if you're listening, please send us your dad hacks, your top three list ideas, your DILF ideas, whatever you have. We want to hear from you because it really takes the load off of us. And so we'd like you to do the work so we could just sit back and make our four cents.

Gavin: 13:01

Yep, absolutely. Please keep it coming. Yep. So uh moving on, speaking speaking of coming. That's what I was gonna say. I was speaking of coming, who's our DILFO coming? Our DIFO- Okay, we are absolutely following all the trends right now, but hey, why not hop on it, right? Just the way we would love to hop on him. Jonathan Bailey, finally People Magazine's sexiest man of the year and um in the world, or whatever the title is. And he is um the first out gay poster boy for uh People Magazine. So hey, doof of the week. I you know he's gonna be a dad at some point, and he's absolutely gonna be one of our um guests, right? Yeah, absolutely.

David: 13:41

And and he's he seems like I part of his hotness to me, like I think he's traditionally hot, but also I think part of his hotness is he's got this like cheeky, like gooey, like I'm gonna like play tricks on you kind of thing, which I love. Yeah.

Gavin: 13:52

Um, he definitely, I mean, everything uh just he just owns who he is so well, and he's just he looks so happy all the time. I mean, how fantastic! Somebody that charming and that happy, and just the right amount of hair on his chest, and just all the things.

David: 14:08

I mean, well, you know what won't make you happy? Tell me. Our top three list. Gatriarchs, top three list, three, two, one. This week is my week. Um, it is who are the top three people you would not answer a phone call from? Uh, let's do it. Um let's do it. So for me, um, number three um is somebody used to work with eight years ago. Here's why. Because they are calling you because either they have started an MLM or they're now a real estate agent and they're trying to get you to sell your house. If you met with if you worked with somebody eight years ago and you haven't really spoken to them since, and they call you on the phone 100% of the time, they need you to buy they're trying to sell you some shit.

Gavin: 14:58

Yeah, that makes sense.

David: 14:59

Um, number two, uh, for me, uh, my best friend, there's no reason you should be calling me. It's bad news, and I know it's bad news. You would text me or send me a funny meme. There is no reason for you to call me out of the blue. So I don't want to answer that phone call because it means somebody died. Um, and number one, I can't, I would be shocked if this is not in your list somewhere. Daycare. I'm not answering that phone call because I know what it is. Somebody sneezed and you want them to be picked up, and I'm not gonna be responsible for that. So, number one, daycare. What about you?

Gavin: 15:31

All right. Um similar themes going on here for sure when you realize people just want something from you, but then it makes me feel tremendously guilty when I'm like, oh God, I do have to call this person for like house seats for a show or something like that. But I will say, um, number three for me is, and I know that he doesn't listen to the show, my father-in-law. He is a fantastic man, fantastic man, but boy does he not know how to text. And he when he calls, I know I'm gonna be on there for 15 minutes, and it usually is just trying to figure out where the kid's soccer game is. So uh please don't let him know that I have been known to screen that phone call once in a while, that's for sure. Number two, my neighbor. Uh-oh. I have a neighbor who's a great, great neighbor, but he's pissed when our chickens walk over into his yard, but yet he comes over and helps himself to eggs. We have him on video doing so. And I know that he just wants to give us an update on the road, roads or the weather. He's a wonderful old man who doesn't have much to think about except traffic, the weather, and his grass. And so I absolutely uh screen those calls. And in fact, my partner and I have a little competition to see who eventually has to answer that phone and who took the fall on the weekly basis talking to our neighbor. But he's by the way, a great neighbor. And number one, my agent. Admittedly, I'm not an actor anymore. But when my agents used to call, for some reason, I would always just kind of like hunch down and think, oh God, what did I do this time? Which is unfortunately my a lot of my approach to my phone in general is oh God, what did I do this time?

David: 17:06

Because nobody calls with good news. That's the thing. Your agent maybe calls to say, hey, you booked a Broadway show. But Gavin, you did what, seven Broadway shows? No, I called you way more than that.

Gavin: 17:15

And so I was always in trouble for something. Yeah. For something. So somehow I did something wrong, and I just think, oh God, I don't want to know this. So uh yeah, uh, there we are. What's next week? I absolutely have no idea. Hold on just a second.

David: 17:28

I have a I I could steal it from you.

Gavin: 17:31

Um, okay, I'll do two in a row now that you're doing two in a row, okay? Gavin, you know you're never gonna come up with one. We both I will I will chat GPT my way into proving you wrong. Don't you worry.

David: 17:41

All right, so next week, it's gonna be my list again. Next week, what are your top three acquired tastes? Oh, all right, Gavin. This week we have an OG internet legacy in the house. Oh gee! From dark sided stuff to sniffies, grinder, and scruff. This legend has built her redemption story with the help of an unlikely partner, the gay community. And though you may know her as the God warrior on Trading Spouses, we now know her as our newest honorary Gatriarch. From Christian to gay icon. Please welcome to the show, Marguerite Perrin. Hi, good morning.

SPEAKER_00: 18:24

I'm so happy to be here. I'm so happy to be here. Oh my god.

David: 18:28

I I, you know, you you and I chatted a little bit last week, but you I think this is a common story we've we we decided, which is you were obviously in my life, like a lot of people's life, on on the trading spouses as the god warrior. You you were kind of this huge internet celebrity, and then I didn't see or hear from you for like 20 years, and then all of a sudden hibernation. You went into hibernation.

SPEAKER_00: 18:52

I was married to a bear and I went into hibernation.

David: 18:55

Oh, okay. You went married to a bear, you went to hibernation, and then suddenly this woman appears on my TikTok feed and I went, She looks familiar to me. And it was you, and learning about your story and everything, I was like, I'm obsessed with her all over again. So A, welcome to the show. I'm a huge fan, we love you. B, tell me a little bit how you went from this kind of internet fame God warrior kind of thing to kind of where you're at now, which is like a gay icon and a major supporter of the gay community. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00: 19:29

God can orchestrate some magnificent things, right?

David: 19:33

Sure can.

SPEAKER_00: 19:33

You would have told me, Oh my gosh, if you would have told me this 18 years ago, I would have said, There is no way in heck, you know what I'm saying? But you know what? God had a different plan. Uh I don't even know. I mean, I went into hibernation for a little while because whenever the show came out, I'm not gonna kill I'm not gonna lie to you, it was like it was like a character assassination. I mean, I said all those things and it was true, but it didn't necessarily come out seeing everything about me. There's more to me than just a four hour show made for television and money. Okay. But that's okay. I did say all those things. And I think I, you know, people try to like justify it with like clever editing. And I just didn't go that route because it true, I truly said those things. And I was upset. So I see how the American public would understand and like know look at me that way. Uh, because I was kind of scared of the gold girl back then too. When I was watching her, like, what the hell?

Gavin: 20:21

And you were, and that was a while ago. You were a young thing too. Seriously. I mean, you were still we're I don't know.

SPEAKER_00: 20:28

I don't know. I was in Boston, heat wave, the hairdo was like this short bob three gog bob at time. No, no uh air. I looked up, I look like I always say Kathleen Bates on misery. I mean, she was saying I'm wicked and crazy. I was scared of her too. And I saw the commercial for the uh during the World Series and going to a Dallas airport, and I was taking my shirt off and exposing my arms for the first oh like I was dying. Okay, I called home and I said something's wrong here. But, anyways, um I just what happened was I just uh you know, a lot of things happened. I I did a lot of things like went on shows and things afterwards, and the gay community saw me differently. I don't, I can't even explain it. I don't know if it was because I was so outrageous, so crazy, whatever. They found humor in it, they they use it as an escape of watching something, or if you live in a southern state, they totally understood it because southern people do act and react like this, and I'm in a very Bible-belt uh state kind of thing. And I was a new Christian, and I was in, I was just very uncomfortable in where I went. And it's it they did not know it was an accident, it was a God thing that I was sent to this family. They I never let them know that this would be such a problem for me. And the very thing that would bother me like this was the was what I was matched up with by accident. I mean, they were supposed to, like I said, they were supposed to put me on a weight loss uh family, um, bodybuilding family, and it would have been hilarious, a different show because I'm humorous. But once I got there, it was an accident because it was like a problem with scheduling. So they just they only cast them like in two weeks. I had been casting for like a year and a half, I didn't get on the first season, so it was a hurry up and let's like get somebody in there, and it was an accident, it was a God thing, okay? Because I would not be here today talking to you if it had not been that family and what happened. But I love the family, don't get me wrong. I do love, I did love the family. It was just I didn't, I felt really uncomfortable in the things that were going on in that house. But, anyways, what happened was I I had a meltdown and I just took it and and then I danced on the streets of New York and Bob the drag queen called me out. Marguerite Perrot, are you in New York? I've always wanted to meet you. Well, I didn't know who this African-American burly man underneath sheets looked naked. I get home and I'm like, oh my god. I didn't even know he's he was I I didn't know if he was what he was, and I was like, Yeah, he was this man.

David: 22:46

And then Well, you know what? I think I I will say that why one of the reasons I can tell you from my point of view of why you became kind of this queer icon is something we talked about a little bit on the the pre-interview, which is a lot of gay people in their lives have the 2005 version of you in their family, and they often fantasize about the 2025 version of you because their family members changing into that person, the person who has embraced a community they didn't know much about and has become a leader in supporting those people. So I think that is partly why. I mean, you are you're outrageous, you're funny, you're hilarious, you're you're all the things, but I think it's because people see, look, there is there is a there is redemption here, and that's what I want to see in my family. So I'm gonna use Marguerite as a as a surrogate for the love I want from my family.

SPEAKER_00: 23:36

I hear that it's that people are still going through that and feel that's everyone. Oh, yeah, we're gonna be able to do that. When my Ashley passed away, it was the internet, of course. They they they learn about these things. I can't imagine when I die with that. But, anyways, um so they I think they're gonna say more than just I was a trading spouse, this is my legacy. I I'm hoping that's what I'm hoping in this era. That I'm glad I lived this long to be able to see this. I'm happy with me, y'all guys. I'm I'm not kidding you, for the first time in my life. And it's sad to say that because I had a daughter that, you know, has died and my husband has died. This is probably the happiest I've ever been with myself. And why is that myself? You know, I worked on me with self-love. I mean, I didn't even answer your question a while ago. Whenever Ashley passed away, my family couldn't reach me, my my friends couldn't reach me. I put on a face whenever my my kids would come when Brooke would come home from school and Abigail would come home from school and just get through the day. But I was a real basket case. I was I it was one of those things where I can't explain it except say that I died into myself. Uh I was just like a a real this happened with Ashley. It was like, you know, if everybody saw me from the show, my family was most important. I said, I want my God and I want my family, okay? And the very thing that happened was my losing my daughter, and whenever this happened, and it happened like just not even a half a mile from my house. And it was one of those things that I I had already had the gift of discernment. I knew this was gonna happen, I knew it was gonna be hurt, and I knew it was gonna be fatal. I can't I know I did. Two weeks before this, this owl flew over my head and this feeling came on me and I started crying. I went inside and I said, if I could keep everybody in the house, I would because if my husband said, What is wrong with you? I said, I feel death come upon me. Just like that at the plainest day. And uh she wasn't seat belted in her, she had lost a bunch of weight, she looked great. And I was like, I was swimming in my pool, and I we both were like on this regimen, and I was had this thought came in my head, if something would happen to Ashley, I wouldn't know how to contact her friends because she says she's serial dating. And I'm like, whoa, why did I even think this? And um, anyway, it all came to passing. And uh I I just like I said died into myself. When I tell you died in myself, six months I didn't even leave the house. I just was just a dead person. And uh the gay community was unrelentless in a good way because I was watching the internet, I got to watch the internet because I I'm back back in the MySpace era, okay? And so with with with the way things are now, like our show was like out of this, I mean, it was crazy. It broke the internet and it was before you could had all the other things that you can talk to people. So they would call through, I don't know how they would do it. They would call through the computers to me and my phone and my house. We took the house phone out. It was crazy. They would come by the house and take pictures of the house, and and um, so they sent flowers and notes and just no, I mean bombarded to it unrelentless, and this went on for like seven months. Uh and they felt like they knew Ashley, they knew our family, they were in our living rooms, and it was a different kind of connection than from like somebody in a movie store kind of thing. Reality TV and that's a different thing. It was a different feel for it. And I may tell you, y'all, it there was things that made me laugh, it made me cry. It just I went through the morning of Ashley's death. Um, I'm gonna I'm gonna tear up with this, with the gay community, and I'm forever grateful that, and I will never forget that. It they like really saved me, and I mean that with everything in me. And um, and it's a really hard thing because I'm a business owner in a very small town, and even in the last six months since I've become popular, this is all back. There's people that in this new town that I'm doing, they didn't even know it was about the show, they hadn't even seen the show, and I had gotten a big long note on they didn't like my hashtags. You're not a Christian. And I was in New York and I was like, I was just so upset about it. I was like, I'm gonna take all this social media down. I don't, I don't need to do, and then I had like a few few people write me in, mainly gay men. Uh and they did me these stories about how I like, I mean, I don't think I'm all special and all that, a bag of donuts and all that kind of stuff, but for some reason I am to certain people. And um those people really uh if I could just make one person like feel good, or if I had if I go to my life, I don't care if it's one people or two thousand people in that room, everybody's relevant, everybody's important. And some of these beautiful stories and these these every day, I wish one person could get one note like I get on a regular basis because it just makes me feel special. I feel like I'm doing something, I'm helping someone, and it healed me, it heals me every day.

Gavin: 28:09

And what you're speaking about is love. And to me, that is what I'm trying to do. And and that is what religion should be about, and that's what Christianity is should be about, right? So, I mean, are you able to reconcile now why what would be the disconnect or the the message that you would say?

SPEAKER_00: 28:27

I just don't I I don't get it why people are or okay still in 2025 feel like this, and why people that have children and they don't have this love for their children and they still have problems and in question, why are they gay? Or oh my goodness, we're all God's children. He created us, he knows what we have inside of us. I mean, I mean, guys, it's not like oh, they're an alcoholic because they're gay. I mean, come on, this is the being inside, this is their soul, this is who they are, and what's wrong with that? I don't see nothing wrong with it. And it just makes me nuts.

David: 28:59

Well, this is probably partially why you know the the queer community has has not embraced Christianity because you while we we spoke to a pastor a couple weeks ago, and one of the points I said to him was like, Yes, there are some churches that are gay sanctuaries, there are some people Christians like you who are very like uh embracing, but you are not in the majority, unfortunately. You are there is a lot of uh pain that that they have caused, and I think that is another reason why people, at least queer people I think love you, is that there is an access point to the quote unquote good Christians.

SPEAKER_00: 29:30

Now, I I I have said this a million times though. My gay community and the community are more spiritual than I said it on Delta, than the people that I'm next door in church with. And and I really mean that because I talk about God with them, whether I am in a club or whether I'm like because they want to know from my point of view, like, I mean, it's a real it's a real hurt on their heart. Yeah, and I'm like, I don't have the answer. This is a this is a you and a God thing, guys. I mean, he he loves us all. All I know is he's our children, and that's not gonna keep you from not getting to heaven. I mean, really? I mean, who believes that?

David: 30:08

Well, can I can I I I I do want to say, um, I know we don't have a ton of time, but I do want to bring up something that you spoke about, which made me laugh so hard, is you were telling me about your local fair. And I uh I I will I want to hear all about it because I come from a small town and the fairs are everything. But you the way you described it made me laugh out loud. Tell us about a the people getting their money and the camera. I want to know everything.

SPEAKER_00: 30:32

We okay, we live right, I mean, our studio is right in town. Okay, there's a restaurant next door to the tattoo shop little corner, but on the other block is a finance company, and I am telling you they put the big sign out there, fair week. Oh my goodness, come get your loan. Literally, they had it's a oh my gosh, when they brought it up to a whole week, I was like, oh, these people go bankrupt. You should not be a whole week. They have their outfits planned, they have their I mean, I'm sure they bought perfume for every outfit. I mean, this is like the thing to do. It's a family fair, it's a free fair, they call it a free fair, but I am here to tell you they spend their whole this is the this is the month that with tuition with dance classes, you can forget it. Little Susie ate paying tuition.

David: 31:14

Little Susie gives it 10 tickets for the tilt of it.

SPEAKER_00: 31:17

Oh no, oh absolutely. They I mean they line up to do that, and then they all get their camper. And then when I tell you it's not cheap, they have this like set. I mean, everybody has their camper grounds, they go from camper to camper. People lose their husbands, they lose their minds, they lose literally they lose it all. I'm not kidding you with this. And they have great bands out there and the food. Oh my god, everybody gains 10 pounds.

David: 31:39

Oh, just it sounds like a dream to me. Like that to me, that's the kind of that's what I want in a fair. I don't want like a nice fair. I want like the country where like the these rides will probably fall apart, kind of fair. That's one of the it's scary.

SPEAKER_00: 31:52

Yeah, that is scary now. You ain't gonna give me a, I'm not going to do that ride. My girls perform at 11 o'clock tomorrow on Saturday, the the parades on Wednesday, and the pageants on a certain day. And look, I even have paddles in here where when some of my dancers had their paddles ready to uh vote, you know, pick me, pick me, kind of thing. But I didn't go to the pageants this week. And then they have a showdown of the dance competition. Last year, the showdown, and you understand, I represent all of them because I have dancers at every one of them. It don't matter what color wear. So I decided to wear, what did I wear? What color? Oh, I wore black, I wore saints colors because I thought that was safe, okay? Okay, like, you know, that's Bugaloosa's colors. I'm like, oh my god, I wasn't thinking like that. I'm like, I'm cheering on the wrong thing. Yeah, I'm not kidding. So guess what?

SPEAKER_06: 32:37

Mistakes.

SPEAKER_00: 32:39

I'm like, yeah, all my dancers. Um it's a win-win. Whoever wins, I got the Pine, I got the Bernie Frankleton, I got the the uh private school. Yep, all my students, we're not at war. Guess what? It's no longer a competition because there was a war out there last year, so now it's just an exhibition. Everybody dances. That's all these years, all these years. This is what small town is like, okay. All I do, all I do is pray and rebuke. So I'm going to the fair one day.

Gavin: 33:10

All of those feelings are really, really serious because the stakes are so low. I mean, that is small town politics for sure.

SPEAKER_00: 33:18

It is something. You're right. You are right. And you know, I got everybody. I got the sheriff, I got yeah, they're all their dancers are, yeah. And so I I don't know. I gotta be everything's gotta be uppy up y. I gotta do it right.

Gavin: 33:31

You have so many people in your orbit, especially in the in your town, and it's like you're the mother or the grandmother to probably dozens and dozens and dozens of people. What are you talking about?

SPEAKER_00: 33:40

I'm the diva. I am not the boss. She's she's already mom. Are you kidding me? Can you tell me what something the tape sings? Come on, come on.

Gavin: 33:50

I know all the songs, but I can't think of a single title. It's okay. It's okay. I'm okay. I'm about to do that right.

SPEAKER_00: 33:58

I'll tell you Lil Wayne, and I can tell you. I can, but I can't play it in the studio because he's bad. Okay.

Gavin: 34:03

Well, what is your favorite thing about being the diva grandmother and the diva mother?

SPEAKER_00: 34:12

Oh, it's the diva. It's just the diva. It's just the diva. I don't even they don't even call me mother no more. They'll say ma'am, okay? Like a sudden thing. What is it?

David: 34:23

What is it that because you're you're a relatively new grandmother. So I I'm curious of like, yeah, what what is there anything is it better to be a grandmother, better to be a parent?

SPEAKER_00: 34:32

I'm not never gonna be a grandmother. I'm Ilm, okay? I'll be like Madonna. I'm gonna have one name. Okay, Marguerite. Marguerite, okay. Um, what is you you're asking from what did you what is your question? See, you'll attention deficit. And I'm gonna be in a play. Can you imagine? I gotta take attention deficit and that's my what was your question?

Gavin: 34:56

What what have uh how have your grandparents delighted you? Excuse me, did I say grandparents? Please edit that.

SPEAKER_00: 35:03

You know my my grandchild what's delighted me.

Gavin: 35:05

Yeah, tell me what's delighted. Because I am cool.

SPEAKER_00: 35:07

Because look, I've you know, we have the dance studio, and so Millie, Millie's very shy. And uh her daddy came in town, he lives in Dallas, and he and uh Brooks says, Show, show John what you taught Millie. What I see nothing wrong with it. Well, guess what? We get our hands on the ground and we twerk, okay? Because she won't dance in the studio. It's like I'm not the typical, okay. I I'm out the out the box off the chain, okay. It's just that's just what it is. I'm just I am that, so I'm okay with that. But it has brought so much joy to me because I am their favorite person, I am their favorite person, and uh, you know, Brooks one of these that doesn't do anything. It's like, I'm the fun person, I'm the fun mom. That's what I'm the fun people. And it's it's Maxima will say, uh, she goes, You're the God warrior. That's what he says, and he gets his sword out, and we like fight, he fights the god warrior. Uh they look at me, you know. I don't know. I'm I I like this role. I like this role because as a parent, I was very strict. If my kid wasn't home where they're supposed to be and they haven't called me to say where they are, I say, you can stay out as long as you want, do whatever you want to do because I've like instilled these values in you. And if you don't know them by now, you're gonna do a you're gonna do a wrong way, anyways. But I my mama's heart needs to know that you are safe. Goodness gracious, they could not keep that rule. I'm like, at two o'clock in the morning, no good's gonna come out of it. I don't know where you are, everything's closing down. Brooke said so many times the the bartenders and the people, and then would say, Oh, guess what? Your mom and dad's coming in. Oh my god. I'm not like to I wouldn't even dress, I'd put that house coat on them slippers, and I would go right up in there. And so, yeah. Oh, can you imagine me what I would be like? Yeah. Oh my god, that would be amazing. I was the coolest mom. I'm like, I believe in true love weights, and I believe I'm realistic to things, but I'm not stupid, okay? I'm not crazy. And um, let's do things right here. Don't don't I don't want to be surprised with anything. Don't lie to me. There's no reason to lie, okay. Let's just like fess up, let's own it and let's do it. Whoo, hard lesson.

David: 37:20

So you are we've we've talked kind of talked about like you know where you came from and and launched you to kind of where you are now, which is so I know you're you're you've recently kind of come back into the public eye. So I'm curious, like in your mind, what is the next 10 years? Like, where do we see uh you in 10 years?

SPEAKER_00: 37:41

I'll suck, tucked, and plucked. I'm gonna I'm not getting any cosmetic surgery on the face, but my little Botox would help. No, where do I see me? I am doing everything wide open. I'm leaving myself wide open. And like I jumped off the the waterfall when we were in Arkansas. I didn't want to do it. I'm scared of heights, but once I said it, I'm like, my word has to mean it. You're doing it. So I'm doing it. There's a there's some things, lots of things. I'm not doing a bucket list thing because I don't like that bucket list thing. But I'm you know, I'm in this play. I was I was casting in this play, and I didn't know I was being casted in this play.

SPEAKER_03: 38:17

Right.

SPEAKER_00: 38:18

I love the play. It's it's called Miss Dixie, and Miss Dixie owned the first gay bar 1950s in New Orleans at where is. And whenever they started telling me about that, I was so excited about it because it was like when they were telling me about it, I'm thinking, who could play the port? Who could play the port? Not thinking it was me.

SPEAKER_07: 38:34

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_00: 38:34

And I thought, and the more he talked about it, and he said, Well, whenever the police would come in and raid it, they'd pretend like it was a straight bar. And then they'd leave, then it'd go back to being gay. And I'm like, Oh my god, that's great. But she sings. I can't sing all. I can't even hop. Well, guess what? I'm Miss Dixie. I'm taking uh singing lessons and I can sing talk some of them. And I and you know what?

Gavin: 38:55

A diva, a diva does not need to hit all the notes. The diva just stands in the middle and she tells she tells her story through music, and it doesn't even matter.

SPEAKER_00: 39:03

It is perfect, it is a perfect one. I sing some crazy songs. I think my gay community is gonna be very proud, and they're gonna like me.

David: 39:10

We do love musical theater. We do love musical theater. Yes.

SPEAKER_00: 39:14

Uh, one of my songs is called Queer, y'all. Have y'all heard that song? It's hilarious. It's about like she's supposed to like think she's married to this man that's gay and pretends like he's gay, not and then at the end it's like, we both need to go get us a man. It was what it's really hilarious. You talk it. It's it and it's like an interactive play where I'm gonna be down in the orange, but but I end it with uh have yourself a little a Merry Little Christmas, which I wanted on a sad note, and I probably will cry because the words are really absolutely beautiful, yeah. But uh it's it's gonna be fun. So that's what I'm I'm doing things out of my comfort zone. Nice. I'm sure. Uh, where do I see myself? And I don't know, you know, God is opening up some opportunities. I'm not even looking for them, even with you guys. I'm so glad to be on your podcast. I didn't even know this was out there, but there is definitely a need. For what you guys are doing, and I just think it's so wonderful. Wonderful, wonderful. My producer is uh uh married to a man, and he has he has this wonderful, beautiful child, Sebastian, and I was able to go to their birth his birthday party in LA, and it was Lisa Redna there, and no telling who all was up in there. It was like this child is so loved, and so I can't imagine him with any other family than this family. And I mean, just such a magical thing. So I love seeing dads with their children, and I had it you know right there in my face. And it was like, I wish I could my marriage, my my husband was working all the time. I he just he loved, he was a great dad for girls, but but seeing Russell, my producer, with his child and his husband is like a whole new level. I mean, he's just big shy, but when he comes in his child at that birthday party, he's jumping in that pool, he's running around, he's just I love, I love, so much love.

David: 41:03

That's that's very it's that's very sweet to hear, and also the very like I spoke of before, like very healing for I think a lot of the gay community to hear somebody like you say that. So rounding it out, I wanna I don't want you to go ever because we love you and we're we love we've loved having you, but I want to ask you one last question, which is our favorite question is like, please tell us one of those parenting stories that you'll never forget, either as a grandparent or a parent, where like everything went wrong and oh, I was just covered in poop or whatever. What is one of those like I earned my parenting badge moments for you?

SPEAKER_00: 41:34

Oh my goodness. Well, I was known I got titled Mommy Dears, which is really terrible.

Gavin: 41:40

Oh boy. But here's another clue as to why the gay community talks to you, girl.

SPEAKER_00: 41:47

I'll tell it. Okay, my my Ashley. It was with my sister-in-law. We had a I have a niece that's the same age as her. And I am one of these, I will like die for my child, okay? And my sister-in-law and my brother-in-law, you know, we went there was a there was a story. I don't even know what the story was. It's so immaterial. But uh, oh my goodness, the dare is terrible. Anyways, she had there was a lie that I don't know, Ashley's supposed to have said something about Tori. And she told me I did not say that, mom. And I said, tell me the truth now. This is my time to tell truth because I'm gonna go over there and I'm gonna confront it, and you know how mom is. I mean, I'm gonna go dive in here. So I went over there and I talked to my brother-in-law and sister, and I said, She did not, blah, blah, blah, dah, dah. Well, guess what? Week later, I find out that Ashley was lying. And I don't, we don't know. We have a little argument over this, and I'm like, look, let kids be kids, stay out of it, adults stay out of it. And she'd always for six months I've been hearing, I want my hair cut, I want my hair cut, I want to get a short vibe. And I'm like, You're not getting a short vibe, your hair's too beautiful, blah, blah, blah, blah. Well, when I found out this line, I went home and I said, little lady, I don't like to be lied to. You have made an idiot out of your daddy and I, and I and my sister-in-law, it's caused problems between us. This is, I will, you know, I fought for you. I believed in you, I don't play that. You want your hair cut? She had her hair cut like in a ponytail like this. And she was on homecoming court that week. You want your hair cut?

unknown: 43:22

You got it.

SPEAKER_00: 43:24

I cut that ponytail off, okay?

SPEAKER_08: 43:26

Oh ho ho ho. And we're like, here you go, here's your job.

SPEAKER_00: 43:30

Can I tell you something? She remembered that she had never lied to me again. So we don't get it. It works. I'm writing this down. I'm writing this down.

David: 43:37

This is good information.

SPEAKER_00: 43:39

I have to tell you something. It was really something serious. She said, I have a calm down. I have a serious thing to say. You tell me never to lie to you. So I'm gonna be very honest with you. I'm pregnant. And I was like, oh hell, I wish I could just point, just can you just tell me a lie?

David: 43:52

Can you not lie to me again? I'll give you your hair back, I swear.

SPEAKER_00: 43:56

I love you, mama. You taught me not to lie again. I'll remember. But she did. We went to the hairdresser and got uh got it straight, but then I had to go to the council lab because it was like she was telling everybody around school, and I was like, Mama dearest, everybody say mommy dear. But back in that day, say I couldn't do that now.

SPEAKER_06: 44:09

Yeah, oh no, no, no. But back then.

SPEAKER_00: 44:11

She remembered it and never lied to me again. I wish there was time she was lessons learned.

Gavin: 44:15

Lessons learned.

SPEAKER_00: 44:16

So if I see her, because she didn't have a seatbelt on when she when she passed away, I would totally embrace her and oh my god, I can't wait to see her hair, too.

David: 44:24

That is a great, what a great parenting story for all the reasons. Marguerite, you are a joy, you are a light. I am so glad that you came back into my life in the way you did. And I think a lot of our listener is going to be very happy to hear your voice. And please go follow her, watch her new show, get involved. She is a joy. Thank you for demeaning yourself by doing the little podcast. Thank you.

SPEAKER_06: 44:49

Thank you, Margaret.

SPEAKER_00: 44:51

I feel like I know y'all. If I ever come to Louisiana, I cook some good shrimp and grits.

David: 44:55

I'm a nod at that door for sure.

SPEAKER_00: 44:57

I mean that. I mean that.

Gavin: 45:01

So going on a theme here, my something great is neighbors. And it's not just because I got free tickets to the NFL or just because I have a hilarious neighbor who gives us lots of um fodder for hilarity as he wanders around our yard on his own and complains about our chickens. But also, we had huge political gains uh last night. And we, I mean, well, the world. And we had our little municipal elections in the town where I live, and um it was a really uh big moment of camaraderie where neighbors came together really hugging and being thrilled, and we really did have a local Democratic Party. Uh where um it's like this is what we do this for is to have communities of people because neighbors really matter, and I think in an era of disconnection and social media and all the things, it's good to have friends who are nearby even if they aren't your besties. So my something great is my neighbors and even your neighbors. Okay.

David: 45:54

Um my something great is nowhere near as uh nice as yours. So I know every parent out there um is so tired of K-pop demon hunters. Um it has been all the rage for months and months and months. It's all my children will watch or listen to. Totally. Um but I gotta give it to K-pop demon hunters. The music is so good. And in particular, and this is my something great this week, is the song Sodopop. It is just such joyful, silly, boy bandy poppy music. And it just it like the choreography in the movie is like all the shoulder dance. It makes your shoulders dance. And I am not gonna apologize for it. And actually, I'm gonna make it our playout music for this episode is Sodopop from K-pop Demon Hunters.

Gavin: 46:41

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David: 46:50

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SPEAKER_04: 47:27

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