When the Mic Goes Quiet: We Didn’t Quit. We Just Lived.

Have you ever wondered why some podcasts suddenly go silent? After an extended break, we're back behind the microphones exploring the complex reasons behind our lengthy podcast pause and what finally pulled us back.

Our journey began in Dubai where podcasting served as a lifeline through early parenthood isolation. Fast forward to Germany, and everything changed. We found ourselves immersed in a supportive community, busy with weekend travels, family visits, and the evolving challenges of raising a three-year-old who's discovered the power of saying "nine" (no) to everything. With real-life connections fulfilling needs our podcast once served, our digital conversations naturally took a backseat.

Cultural differences played a surprising role too. Where Dubai embraced public sharing and spotlight moments, Germany's cultural modesty created unexpected barriers. As one of us confessed, "I still feel shy to share political views publicly" - a sentiment that reflects broader fears about potential consequences of speaking up. Yet a recent incident where racism touched our family reminded us why voices like ours still matter. Having to explain discrimination to our toddler – far earlier than we ever imagined – rekindled our purpose.

We've realized our podcast serves both selfish and altruistic aims. It helps us process complex topics while potentially creating "that small sparkle" someone else needs. Whether discussing financial markets in accessible ways or navigating cultural transitions, our conversations aim to encourage listeners to become change agents in their own communities. Because ultimately, that's how real transformation happens – through consistent, honest dialogue that inspires action.

Join us as we recommit to consistency and sharing the topics that keep us up at night. We're building something meaningful here, and we'd love for you to be part of it.

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Transcript

Nervous Return to Podcasting

Speaker 1 0:02

hello and welcome to our podcast, the 2am club the honey bunnies.

Speaker 2 0:08

I'm a little bit nervous. I'm a little nervous, I can see that just be yourself, like we always did nothing different I know, but just instead of talking without microphones, we talk with microphones. That's what we wanted to do, right right?

Speaker 1 0:24

Yeah, exactly I know, but it's just like I feel it's a little bit like our first time on a podcast, you know. Okay, you know what I mean, that's how I just feel.

Speaker 2 0:38

Actually, my head is half at work already.

Speaker 1 0:40

How are you doing, my love?

Speaker 2 0:42

I'm actually very good yeah.

Speaker 1 0:44

Mm-hmm yeah.

Speaker 2 0:44

How about you?

Speaker 1 0:45

doing my love.

Speaker 2 0:45

I'm actually very good.

Speaker 1 0:46

Yeah, mm-hmm, yeah, how about you? I'm also very good, just nervous.

Speaker 2 0:52

I could hear the butt.

Speaker 1 0:54

Yeah, the butt was just.

Speaker 2 0:55

What's on your heart?

Speaker 1 0:56

No, I'm just really nervous. Actually, I feel like we haven't done this in such a long time and it feels like it feels like I'm doing it for the first time again.

Speaker 2 1:08

Okay.

Speaker 1 1:09

Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:11

Last time we recorded a podcast was in January, I think. Right, we were walking through the cold and we actually did it outside.

Speaker 1 1:21

Yeah, yeah, exactly, yeah, that's true. It also didn't really feel like a podcast for me, because this is normally how we do our podcast, you know sit down, coffee, two microphones in front of each other. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 1:38

And I think a bit further away, because we can hear all your All right, what? Don't look at me like that. He's annoyed that I'm correcting him. Oh, he doesn't like it.

Speaker 1 1:54

That's not what I feel annoyed, that's really not.

Speaker 2 1:57

What do you feel annoyed?

Speaker 1 1:58

I feel you're a little bit aggressive right now.

Speaker 2 2:00

Yeah, but sometimes I am.

Speaker 1 2:02

Yeah, I know, but I don't know why you are aggressive right now, at this moment, right now.

Speaker 2 2:08

That's just the way I feel. I just said right, my head is halfway at work already, so that just happens, it's fine.

Speaker 1 2:16

No, I totally understand.

Speaker 2 2:17

It's like why are you nervous, right? So it's just feelings we have. I know, but I told you if you didn't want to do the podcast, but I did not say that Just because I feel that way. Right, You're nervous, but you're still going to do it. Right, You're just not going to do it because you have a certain feeling.

Speaker 1 2:32

It's the same thing, really true.

Speaker 2 2:35

So just accept it.

Speaker 1 2:37

No, I accept it, I'm just saying, that's all I'm just saying. But I agree, that's all the same. But I agree I need to go a little bit more back. So what happened? What do you think happened? Why did we stop? Why was this pause such a long pause?

Speaker 2 2:58

I think life happened. I mean, we were very busy, we were traveling a lot and I think we did not really have a routine the first six months of the year For me, also, the whole story of what happened with our neighbor really was a rough start into the year. Not a rough Rough is the wrong description. Strange, strange, yeah, strange, like the whole.

Speaker 1 3:23

I feel this year is a very strange year and, yeah, strange Like the whole. I feel this year is a very strange year.

Speaker 2 3:26

And, yeah, you were sick, you were in the hospital, remember? You were twice already in Hong Kong. Yeah, I was in Japan. So we've been traveling a lot. We had a lot of weekend trips going to Oma and Opa, going to my uncle, going going there. We were in Berlin. So I think if we would just have a look at all the traveling and all the times we were sick and couldn't do something, you know, I honestly think it's just life happened and due to this, we didn't really have a routine and I believe this was quite different in Dubai. We were not that busy. We're not traveling that much. We were had things to do during the day, but there wasn't that much traveling. Right, because where do you travel? I mean, you just go from one part to the city to the other, but here it was really. You know, you have these weekend trips and then, yeah, I think we were just somehow. It's not that you don't have the time right, it's always about you make the time.

Speaker 1 4:24

That's what I wanted to say. I felt it's more. We're so busy with other things that this didn't become a priority anymore.

Speaker 2 4:31

Yeah, we also. We enjoyed the other things which, yeah, sometimes that's how it is right.

Speaker 1 4:36

For me, I feel it was more of a. This year was more an adjusting period, like you know, settling in, getting our groove, trying to figure out who we are here in Germany. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 4:55

Does that make sense? Yeah, I mean, we've just been here a little over a year. You cannot forget that it's actually still rather new, Even for me.

Speaker 1 5:06

Honestly, it feels so much longer because we have everything in place, yeah. But I just feel our, our normal life is kind of now settling into, and we're settling into things right now, you know but I felt, when we're settled before as well, I didn't.

Speaker 2 5:27

I didn't think like we're not settled. I think now the reason why also we sit because we have time to actually breathe and we don't have travels coming up and it's. It's yes, it's a, it's a topic of priority, but I mean, yeah, if you're gone, if I'm gone, I mean we just simply really don't have the time, and then other things became a priority yeah, I think there's also one point for me that was something that I was kind of thinking about was the fact that I felt I didn't have anything more to share about parenting anymore yeah, this, sorry um this.

Speaker 2 6:03

We discussed in the January episode, where we talked about moving away from the parenting, going more in the political direction.

Speaker 1 6:11

I know, I know. And then the thing is with the whole political side there's so much to talk about, that at the end you also don't know what to talk about. Does that make any sense? I just feel there was a lot of things that was happening around and I didn't know what to talk about yeah, yeah, I agree.

Finding Community in Germany

Speaker 2 6:36

I think especially on the parenting side, right, because things are so different now with a three-year-old kid compared to a six-month-old baby yeah, exactly so it's a. It's a completely different picture and I guess so different.

Speaker 1 6:51

You remember that guy in the mall in dubai when we were complaining about baby munanui, and then he was with his little toddlers yeah, three four five year old and then he's like you have no idea, but that's the easiest part of the whole parenting is the baby part yeah, and we're like huh, I still don't agree with that. For me, it's so much easier now, no, but he said it was oh you, oh you, really, yeah, I don't feel it's easier yeah, I know, I really don't.

Speaker 1 7:20

I. I mean, I I understand why you would think that, but I feel it's so much harder now. Now it's actually the raising of a child, his moral compass, who he's going to be as a human. It's a lot more difficult for me. Yeah, the correcting this. Nine, yeah, his answering back, his wanting to push me to my limits and see exactly what he can get away with and where my foot stomps the ground very heavily and tells him and shakes his world and tells him to stop. And then he will just look at me and go.

Speaker 2 7:59

Nine yeah, no, and I can see how this will be harder, um, for a lot of parents, but for me, just this first year, I mean really it was just so tough on me. So this, this adjusting and also not being able to communicate and not knowing why is he crying, why is is he doing this? What's happening?

Speaker 1 8:24

I mean, the crying part is always simple he wants to eat, he wants to sleep or he needs to take a shit or a pee-pee. It was pretty simple.

Speaker 2 8:34

Yeah, that's true, but yeah, I don't know. I just love this age. To be honest, I really love it. Also, I think that dynamics is fun, right. Yes.

Speaker 1 8:46

I mean, he's such a you really can see his character, like today at the drop-off when he walked to us with his hands in his pocket to give us a kiss, like you know. And he just owns a room, he just has this. He's got daddy's cool, you know he's walking and he's like what's up? Yeah, you want a kiss? All right, fine, whatever, you know what I mean. Then he's got your confidence. Owning the whole room is his and when he arrives, everyone comes and says Munanui, hello, munanui.

Speaker 2 9:13

Yeah, Marie was coming. Munanui, do you want to play? That's cute. I mean, they're just cute at this age and I feel.

Speaker 1 9:21

Not all babies are cute at this age.

Speaker 2 9:27

That's feel. Not all babies are cute at this age, that's true, he's, he's particularly cute.

Speaker 1 9:29

I guess all parents say that about their kids though. Yeah, all parents do say that about their kids.

Speaker 2 9:35

Just go through it I am, but you also know yeah, but but there's no need.

Speaker 1 9:50

I didn't cut you, I just breathed I know, that's all, and it's like my breathing is annoying you.

Speaker 2 9:56

No, no, I just I can hear it so much.

Speaker 1 10:00

Then just pass through the hearing.

Speaker 2 10:02

Yeah, I did so continue.

Speaker 1 10:08

No, continue with what you were saying with Marie.

Speaker 2 10:12

No, I just said she was. I just said that I mean all parents probably find their kids the cutest right, because you said, oh, it's not all of them. So yeah, of course.

Speaker 1 10:25

But there are days where I don't find Munanui cute Really, days where he's a little toddler terrorist, he's a little TT.

Speaker 2 10:37

Yeah, of course he's testing. He's testing a lot and that's exhausting. You know, and then he tests us in very, in really smart ways but coming back now to so what we're gonna be now in our podcast, that's a that's an interesting question.

Speaker 1 10:56

I think this is also why the pause was made. There was a transition but we were talking.

Speaker 2 11:04

You know, because I know you didn't want to talk about it, but for me it's important because we did have a pause before and then we started in January but somehow it didn't pick up. Like, why did it not pick up? Okay, one was, we had really very limited time.

Speaker 1 11:18

It wasn't on our priority. I mean why were we recording?

Speaker 2 11:22

Was that the only reason?

Speaker 1 11:23

I think it's a multitude of reasons and what we kind of talked about before right now, but I think the priority was also that it wasn't. It wasn't a priority. And then somehow, I mean, now let's put it this way, was it last week? We said, I mean, we already talked about the fact that we need to go back to do podcast, right, right yeah and the thing was okay. We know we can't do it on the weekend because with munanui it's just a pain in the ass, right?

Speaker 2 12:00

I'm just thinking why did we start in the first place when we started the podcast?

Speaker 1 12:08

I mean, Because we were alone.

Cultural Differences and Podcasting Challenges

Speaker 2 12:10

Exactly, and we felt so overwhelmed with the situation and we were quite honest about it and we felt we were like one of the few ones that are honest about it. And then we listened, you know to, we saw social media and we did not see ourselves reflected and we had all these deep conversations. We're like you know what, how about we share this right and maybe out there there's one or the other person that this conversation can help because he or she can find themselves in the podcast? I think that was just going back. Really, what was the purpose or the reason why we did it?

Speaker 1 12:47

and I think this was loneliness and not wanting other people to be alone.

Speaker 2 12:51

Exactly yeah and maybe because we talked about purpose just yesterday, right when you, yeah, let's just look at our jobs, right? Um, people usually do it better if they see a purpose. So maybe that got a bit lost because we were not that. I think one portion was we're not that overwhelmed with parenting anymore. I think we got very good at it and maybe also we were not surrounded that much by people with very small kids anymore.

Speaker 1 13:28

Okay, all right, I was kind of going with you on the two. For me, now that you brought up this great question, I didn't think about it. The purpose was, but I think what I think right is we were alone in Dubai and now we're in Germany and we're not alone. We have a community around us and I think this was the main difference. I think maybe this is the main difference. And, yes, I agree that we started it to help because nobody helped us and then now we don't feel alone and maybe we lost that wanting to help people again.

Speaker 1 14:14

Right, we're so concentrated ourselves, happy that we're going through this and you know everything is good, and we kind of forgot that. Why we did it. It's a great question. Like I didn't even think about that, but I think this is. This is probably really putting the finger right on the problem, and I think maybe why the podcast is more important now is because we see that there's a lot of problems in the world yeah, I think the urge for us to go back on the podcast was we're seeing those issues and I think that's where also where we started, yeah, this process in january.

Speaker 2 14:54

We're like somehow we need to talk about things, like things are not moving in the right direction. But then again, as you say, we ourselves and I think we have to be that honest with ourselves we might not have had that much of a need anymore because we got a lot out of the podcast when we started. Right, Just having this conversation, speaking to others, that helped us also a lot. It was very therapeutic.

Speaker 1 15:16

I mean. I'm always very honest and open with people when I talk about what I love about doing the podcast. At the same time, I'm learning from other parents that have bigger kids, right.

Speaker 2 15:27

Yeah, exactly, or it's just, you know, make you feel good to share and to see there's someone else having the same issues, problems, challenges, et cetera.

Speaker 1 15:37

right, and I think, as you're saying now, we're that much embedded in a community maybe that need was not there yeah, I think this is a really interesting point of view yeah, quite interesting point and I think it goes back to what I was saying before, where I just felt I didn't know what to talk about anymore the parenting level exactly, and that was the result actually the result was I just didn't know what to talk about because we already can talk about it when we need to and we get help from our community.

Speaker 1 16:10

I think there's also another point, which is germany. It's, I mean, data security. Getting people to come on a podcast is not easy whatsoever. You know like how many times we talked about podcasts people? Our biggest listeners are actually in Germany.

Speaker 2 16:29

Yeah.

Speaker 1 16:29

So I think Germans are a little bit like these voyeurs. You know they like to look, but they don't like to participate. You know they like to look, but they don't like to participate. But, uh, so, and I've also, I'm trying to get people on or and I know it takes time, you know everything is takes a lot of time in germany.

Speaker 1 16:47

Dubai was like hey, you want to be on a podcast? Yeah, sure, of course, tell me when boom, boom, boom and done right, germany, it's like we do. Super interesting, I'd like to listen to your podcast. And then you get back oh, I listen, very nice, cool podcast. And I was like yeah, you know we look for people to be on our podcast and other guests, and they're like that's great and I can feel that they want to, but they also don't want to. It's like I need to warm up to you before I actually do it. So now I feel also there's more people wanting to be on our podcast because they've warmed up to us right and they actually have it in their mind to be a guest on our podcast.

Speaker 2 17:29

I think in Germany the perception is that everyone who does a podcast is trying to make money and yeah, it's just not as as good as in Dubai. Right in Dubai, it's the complete difference. Everyone was like, yes, I want to be on the stage. Oh, maybe this is a way for me to become more famous, make my business better, whatever right, everyone wants to be famous in Germany exactly like here. People is completely the opposite. I want to be flying under the radar, no one should know my name.

Speaker 2 17:58

So, yeah, and I think, and not only that, I mean that's one topic, but I mean we also started just you and me talking. I think, for me having the guest, I mean that's super great and I would love to have it, but I think we can also do it just you know, just the two of us, and also sharing stories that we're hearing. Right, that is also possible, but also when you are in this kind of environment, it doesn't push you to do it exactly.

Speaker 1 18:24

You don't feel as motivated as before exactly so because no one does it you know, in dubai that was like no one.

Speaker 2 18:31

No one takes pictures of their food here yeah, exactly exactly where in asia, or even dubai, that was completely normal right in dubai they did a whole video segment of their food. Yeah, yeah yeah, I mean they even would advertise a restaurant with hey, it's Instagrammable. So that was a big part of everything. So, yeah, I think and that does impact you. Yeah, I mean I love to share this handbag story of mine, you know when I was a young woman growing up in germany, still young, thank you, honey.

Speaker 2 19:03

I would call myself middle-aged, but okay, um. So you know, I was never into handbags and stuff like that, because no one around me was into handbags and it was just not a thing. I mean, yes, you had a nice purse or something, but it was you know nothing fancy with you know Hermes or what. I just didn't know any of those brands. And then I moved to Asia and I saw the women with all these beautiful handbags and you just automatically get interested. I'm like, oh, ok, and I like it. And then you, you know, then you decide for yourself whether you adopt it or not. Yeah, it's not that of course, everything will rub on you, but that was the one thing for me, right? So I started to like handbags and I think this is a bit similar, right? So you're in a country you like, you hear a lot about podcasts and so on, and you hear also people, I remember, I mean our neighbors, we, you know, we even could exchange on hey, which microphones are you using?

Speaker 1 20:04

what's your equipment?

Speaker 2 20:05

so it was a topic a general daily topic and here it's simply not. I mean, a lot of people listen to podcasts again the voyeurism, exactly a lot. And I mean, you know me, I love to listen. I have so many podcasts that I'm listening to. I love it and I've always loved it. Actually, I started when we lived in china and, um, yeah, but but no, somehow you don't know anyone who is doing it, because maybe they're not sharing, they're doing it or it's just not that much of a topic.

Confronting Racism as Parents

Speaker 1 20:25

Do you think that most people in Germany don't think that they're important enough to share information? Do you think that they think that only famous people or very interesting people are the only people that should be doing podcasts or social media, because they feel that their life is not that? I mean, it's like this uh, thomas, right, this professor, he's a professor, but not a professor for ancient, ancient chinese texts, right, and I think this guy is so interesting. We had such great topics, you know, conversations with him, and I tried to get him on the podcast. And again this Sunday I was really bashing him. I was like, come on, we got to do a podcast together. I mean, look at the talks we're having right now Super interesting talks and he's like, no, I'm not that interesting, but I can give you the name of somebody who's super interesting. I'm like you don't understand how interesting and what kind of input value you actually have.

Speaker 2 21:28

I think. But this is also the way we grow up right Very modest, shy, don't show. I think this is very European and specific.

Speaker 1 21:40

I mean, I wouldn't say, french people are okay. Yeah, you know, and I just very german german.

Speaker 2 21:44

Yeah, I think in germany this is and that is maybe also part of our history, right like where you are raised to be a bit ashamed of your country and yeah, always keep it on the down low. And I mean, we, we talked about it right, the the podcast I recently listened to that talked about inequality in Germany. I mean, germany is one of the most unequal countries in the world, which I was shocked because you don't see the rich people, because exactly of that, right, you're not showing. So here in Germany, you just don't see certain things and I think people really don't want it to be seen. Yeah, and that's the same with the podcast and coming on a podcast and yeah, that is. I think that is a big reason. You know the way we are raised. I'm not sure it would be different with the younger generation, because we've been more asking around in our kind of generation, right. So I'm not sure about the.

Speaker 1 22:40

I mean, I think with the younger one. I send you a lot of videos from instagram where you see a lot of young people interviewing people in the middle of the street, right. So I think with the younger generation especially, they're much more mixed and they have more, they're more visibility with social media. So I think for them it's much easier to do that.

Speaker 1 23:03

So yes, I agree, I think that with a younger generation it's going to be easier. I mean, look at that one time where we did the interview outside of the bar and all those young guys were all talking to us.

Speaker 2 23:16

Oh, yeah, I remember, and they all were really talking, right, they were all super talking.

Speaker 1 23:20

I do remember I even told one parent that we don't need to, because they were like oh yeah, but you put it on YouTube and I was like we don't need to film it. I mean, we just do an audio podcast and you don't even need to say your name, you know and you don't even need to say your name.

Speaker 2 23:43

You know, like that was how sometimes in germany it's a very yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah but they also like because, mama nobi, in the beginning they were also like this. Remember the first one but actually they were immediately yes, we want to be on the podcast. And yeah, in dubai. I remember when we asked they're like, oh yes, I remember they loved it.

Speaker 1 23:59

So I remember that they loved it, but I remember in the beginning no, I was shy to ask.

Speaker 2 24:03

I was like, oh, I don't think they would want that, you know. But um, no, I think they. They were like, yeah, why not? So this was quite cool.

Speaker 1 24:14

That was yeah, um, but I think, as we can, see, I mean, I think we're just trying to give excuses on why we didn't continue.

Speaker 2 24:23

Maybe, and I do believe you know the whole purpose topic is really probably the key question what, why are we doing it anyways? And what's? Yeah, what's the purpose? And I think the purpose we had, we, that's just not there anymore. We don't feel alone anymore. We have a community we can exchange, um, if we need to, and and I have, at least for me, the difficulty is a lot less. I feel quite confident in a lot of things that I'm doing as a parent and before, absolutely not I was. I was always super anxious to be alone with Munanui and so on. Yeah, I mean, there are so many things where I did not feel confident at all and I think that changed a lot. So, yeah, I think this purpose and and but I think the topic of, yeah, helping others not and that's actually. Oh, you can see also how egoistic humans just are right yeah, I was just actually thinking.

Speaker 2 25:25

I mean to be honest yes, so selfish, I mean at the point where we felt alone. We're like, hey, okay, let's help others not to be alone. At the point where we don't feel that anymore, we actually also don't think about the others anymore, right? So?

Speaker 1 25:37

it's a little bit hypocritical, because we want I mean I really, and I know you also we really want to change the world. This is something that we really want to do. I mean, on my end, especially with Munanui, I really I want him to have a better world than the one we live in right now. Not that this one is horrible, but Like the incident we had last week me and Munanui, yeah, with the woman telling me and Munanui to go back to our country, yeah, yeah, and then I knew I would. I'm not angry about her saying that to me. This is not my. My anger is not there.

Speaker 1 26:23

What I'm angry about is the fact that I had to explain to our three and a half year old son why people are going to be like that and a little bit about racism, because he's not at that, he doesn't understand it yet, right, so he calls it the booze of how right the mean lady, right, and it's like, yeah, well, some people are going to mean at you because you're different, right, and I, and just I just so angry and sad that I had to do it now. I thought this would come a little bit later, which also would make me angry and sad, but I just didn't think that I would have to do it now. We, you know, like us sitting at the dinner table and explaining that to him yeah, this is and again, and that's now so interesting.

Speaker 2 27:13

Something like this happens to us and we feel again a bigger urge to do something right yeah, but we actually talked about doing the podcast close.

Speaker 1 27:23

We actually talked about doing the podcast before this happened. Yes, in all fairness it's not like it happened. And then we said, oh, we really need to do the podcast.

Speaker 2 27:33

I mean we are always talking about it, right, but I think we just decided on it needs to get back on priority. But yeah, and you know, honestly, I think it's fine if it is like that. I mean, I I'm, I don't have the expectation that we are better than others.

Speaker 2 27:49

I mean, we're just humans right and and I mean and now this was also always the topic, right, when you are someone who likes to help people I mean, actually most people do it for themselves because it makes you feel good, yeah, and this is okay. I mean the outcome is good for both sides, perfect, right. I mean, why not? I think it's just important to be honest about it and I think, um, yeah, it maybe. Maybe we just got that. You know, we had a bit the the rose. How do you call those rose glasses on when you're in love, right?

Speaker 2 28:20

and we're so happy and everything was great, and so we didn't have that super urge to record.

Speaker 1 28:26

I mean, I still love this city, Whatever this woman did. The fact of the matter is, after this happened, our community came together and said that they were sorry for it happening to us. It doesn't represent all the Germans and everyone from our community, our neighbors next door. Everyone came, hugged us and said they were sorry and talked to us, and that for me, my rose glasses are still on because because of that, yeah, in nuremberg, I remember when that woman yeah at the christmas market and I still remember what mama said that day yeah, but why is that a problem?

Speaker 1 29:05

you remember that I don't remember, and then your brother stood up and he's like, yeah, but this is not good, it's not you know like why?

Speaker 2 29:12

Yeah.

Speaking Up Despite Fears

Speaker 1 29:13

You remember, I still remember that the community wasn't there at that point.

Speaker 2 29:17

Yeah.

Speaker 1 29:18

Yeah, and it was. But here in Futh everyone said Mo, I'm really sorry that this happened and it doesn't represent us, and said Mo, I'm really sorry that this happened and it doesn't represent us and I think this is so the community stuck with us, and I think this is maybe for me is going back to helping people and maybe this incident because it's an incident made me realize that we need to we still need to help people in a way.

Speaker 2 29:52

Yeah, still need to change the world.

Speaker 1 29:53

We still need to change the world right.

Speaker 2 29:56

And use our us to maybe contribute a little peace, and I think that's maybe also something because we do contribute to society and to democracy by having conversations, by taking care of the community, by building up a community right, and I think maybe also that was our focus. I mean, it was so nice to see from last year when we arrived we went to the open air classic open air concert. It's a beautiful event here in the city. We're in our park, there's a big public park in the city and they arrange a classic concert and everyone comes with their….

Speaker 1 30:39

Two classic concerts.

Speaker 2 30:41

And everyone comes with their picnic blanket and just sits on the floor on the grass having a glass of wine bringing their food, and just listening on the floor on the grass, having a glass of wine bringing their food, and just listening to beautiful classic music. And it's such a beautiful event and we went last year it was shortly after we arrived here, um and we went all together with munanui I remember he was.

Speaker 2 31:01

He was drinking his milk and in his, in his stroller, but actually even he enjoyed the music. It was super cute. And one year later we go again and we were there with our community.

Speaker 2 31:14

Mama and nobi were there, our neighbors were there, our friends were there and it was so nice to see that growth and then the next day with because it's a kid's concert, right, our parent community came exactly and, um, yeah, I think that's that's what we have been investing in, and we spend our time and I think that's okay and that's why, yeah, the the podcast was on the sideline for a while, but I mean, we do still see the need to to discuss topics authentically and to let others participate in it and maybe make the world a bit better by someone listening to us. And, yeah, let's put this back on the agenda and create this little sparkle somewhere. I don't know a smile, a cry, a laugh, rolling eyes, I don't know whatever emotions we create.

Speaker 1 32:13

A long and angry. I'm sure that there's somebody out there going like oh no, they started again.

Speaker 2 32:22

Exactly so.

Speaker 1 32:24

It's okay any kind of emotion, but I think Just to start the discussion is there anything that during our quiet time because it wasn't quiet, but podcast quiet, right, audio quiet is there anything during this time that really you still think about now that you would have wanted to share on a podcast or that really troubled you or that?

Speaker 2 32:53

yeah, I mean we've always been talking right, because I also, in the middle, started to record some reels about the political situation, right. So I think there were a lot of instances, topics happening, that I would have liked to comment on, to share my thoughts. I did, I started doing it and actually I liked it, but I don't know the priority again, um, sorry it wasn't a priority again yeah, and I also, I mean, I also still do feel shy, I have to say I'm also.

Speaker 2 33:27

I still have respect from this media and, you know, because it cannot only do good and it could also damage me, especially if you become too political. You know, the parenting topic, it's still a bit of an easier one, I would say. Once it starts to be political, it can get very controversial and you know, you know we have a lot of examples where things went sideways and, by the way, especially with women that are put on a pedest and then, you know, thrown off again. And, yeah, I admit that there's also a fear, yeah, a fear of this. Even I would like to share, and I'm always thinking about it.

Speaker 2 34:07

How to share, you know, because I have such a profound understanding of the financial markets, for instance, and I think I can explain it quite well, right, like I'm giving you an example of the comex. Um, I mean, it's a tragedy what's happening there, to be honest, right, but when you look at what's out there about it, it's very economical, it's very, you know, it's presented in a way that people don't feel they understand and then they just stop. And there I feel I could build a bridge, because I do understand what's going on, but I think I'm also down to earth enough to explain it to someone who has no financial market knowledge, and that's often that I think about. I would like to talk about these things. I would like to break down topics that are coming up in the newspaper, where people usually are like oh, these guys again, where they drop out of the discussion because you know what. They also want you to drop out. Yeah, of course they want to make it sound so….

Speaker 1 35:07

They want to bury it.

Speaker 2 35:08

Exactly and, yeah, difficult or whatever that people just don't listen and don't pay attention. That's that's how they right. I mean, yeah, that's how it works and I would love to build that bridge and to make things a bit more clearer for people. But yeah, I'm still also quite shy on this, um and, and I didn't really find the right angle. I don't know there's a right angle. That's also always your excuse. Right before you start something, you need to plan and I need to.

Speaker 1 35:39

I mean, we talked about it with the podcast, our first episode. Yeah, yeah, we just needed to do it exactly.

Speaker 2 35:43

We just needed to do it, and then you get into it and yeah, so so yeah, that's. I think in the quiet time I've been thinking about this a lot. And then also, okay, can we use this podcast for that topic? Do we need to stay on one topic?

Speaker 1 35:55

um, you know, but honestly I mean, there's no I mean, at the end of the day it's a honey bunny exactly whatever keeps us up, right whatever that's a great that right there is the line, whatever keeps us up.

Speaker 1 36:09

This is literally the line of this whole podcast. But, um, I think the thing is like, I'm also very shy because there's also a lot of things. But I, you know, when I do these, these point of view videos where I'm talking into the the phone, I, I really don't like it. I, I, I don't feel comfortable doing it. But I remember my psychiatrist said you just need to do it and just post it and do it, and post it, and do it, and post it, and do it, and post it until it just becomes normal so.

Speaker 2 36:45

So I think that's the difference, right? I mean, you know, I would love to talk in front of the audience, I mean, the more people listen, and so actually your thing is I should hold the camera for you and then you can talk.

Speaker 1 36:55

Yeah, you just don't want to talk alone. No, no, no.

Speaker 2 36:58

Actually, this is really not the point. I have zero fear of talking in front of people. I feel very confident. I don't know, it was always like this, but I have fear of the aftermath. I have fear of the potential consequences.

Speaker 1 37:17

But you don't even know what the consequences exactly I know it's, it's, it's not rational.

Speaker 2 37:21

I'm not saying it's rational or it's, you know, but I have, I have that. Oh, if I say something wrong, like could, like, what's going to happen to me? Does that put me in danger? Does that put my family in danger?

Speaker 1 37:34

I don't that's more. That's more my thought process to worry about danger in the family.

Speaker 2 37:39

This we're pretty good no, no, not in the family. But is it gonna cause danger for my family? I mean, you never know, right. I mean, things are really extreme. I mean, when you see how some things blow up in social media, it's scary, it's really scary. And and and that's what scares me, not the talking of I love to record videos of myself. You know, I maybe shouldn't say it like this, but it's just the truth but I don't think you should be afraid.

Speaker 1 38:07

I mean, I told you that already before and I also tell people this um, if you feel that there's a need to say something, if you feel it in your bones, then you should do it. Yeah, and of course, there's always going to be consequences, but the thing is like you're thinking about the negative consequences but you're not thinking about the positive consequences.

Speaker 2 38:31

Yeah, that's true. No, no, there's going to be less negative consequences and more positive consequences. There's going to be less negative consequences and more positive consequences and I mean it also goes back to what Jan once said you know, the more you have, the more scared you are to lose it, and I think this is a bit the situation yeah, but you know what we?

Speaker 1 38:46

have, but it's not right first of all, it's not right. Second of all, the most important thing we have is you, me and Munanui. Everything else, love is stuff. It doesn't matter. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 39:03

It's all just stuff sorry, mom, I just got a message from my boss she heard you.

Speaker 1 39:14

She's like there's consequences to what you just said right now. She's like there's consequences to what you just said right now, but is it an emergency? This is how authentic our podcast is yeah, exactly, sorry no but it it's going back to what I was just saying. It's all just stuff.

Speaker 1 39:36

We might lose something, but we also and and this is a little bit also the german in you yeah it's always thinking about the negative parts that might affect us, yeah, and not thinking about what positive stuff could actually come and there's always more positive things that come, like the video.

Speaker 1 39:54

When I posted it, it was viewed over 10 000 times oh my god horrible yeah, of course, there was some really bad, super bad comments, like really really racist comments, but 99.8 of the comments was love was peace was. I'm sorry for this happening to you. It doesn't reflect what this is. This is, this is, and most people are always going to be like, yeah, but look at the negative comments and, yes, I did look at it, I was hurt by it. But then I looked at the positive comments and then I was like this is what the majority looks like and, yes, some people would. People would be like, oh, yeah, but Mo, the AFD represents over 20% of votes. It's only 20%. That means there's still 80% of people that are really good.

Speaker 2 40:50

That's right, and I think actually our world is much better than it's portrayed. Yes, and the people they also want it to seem that it's portrayed. Yes, and the people they also wanted to seem that it's very bad of course yeah, and it's always like there's one black apple and you'll see the black apple, but not all the red.

Speaker 1 41:07

Is that the german saying one?

Speaker 2 41:09

black actually, actually no, I I don't know. I think I just used a completely wrong term, but anyways, why?

Speaker 1 41:17

did it have to be a black apple? Good question, it's one bad apple. You know one bad apple? It's not, it's just one.

Speaker 2 41:26

Yeah, exactly, and yeah, it's the same in the classroom. Right, you have like one guy that's making lots of trouble.

Speaker 1 41:33

That was me.

Speaker 2 41:34

Oh, of course, but that wasn't real trouble, was it?

Speaker 1 41:39

yeah, yeah, I mean, it was. I wasn't the best teachers loved me, but anyways, that's off subject, but I I 100 agree with you, but I think it's. You should look at what, what positive outcomes are going to come from that, and I I think this is something that and I love the fact you want to do your videos and I loved it when you did your daily videos, your political stand videos.

Speaker 2 42:06

Yeah, but I think I just published one.

Speaker 1 42:10

No, there was a few of them.

Speaker 2 42:12

Yeah, maybe two or three. Yeah, and consistency is really Exactly, but again coming to priority right, I mean, for me is really also the sports topic. Like I really want to go back to sports. I mean that still is a struggle right to to get it all done.

Speaker 1 42:27

I mean I have a full-time, quite demanding job, little toddler, very demanding husband the easiest husband in the world, and so, yeah, it's just, it's just um I mean, this is where we said, like we put on the calendar podcast, yeah, 8, 30 to 10 on wednesday, and the thing is we need to to set the priority. You just need to be like okay, every day from this time to this time, I am going to.

Speaker 2 43:02

But again, therefore, we have to be at home. If we're traveling, of course that goes out the window. I think all the times we have brought our podcast equipment, we've never used it.

Speaker 1 43:13

I agree with you, but also it wasn't a priority. Yes, yes, I think we just also. It wasn't a priority.

Speaker 2 43:17

Yes, yes.

Speaker 1 43:18

And I think we just need to make it a priority, we just need to.

Speaker 2 43:23

So what's our new purpose? Do we have a new purpose?

Speaker 1 43:25

It's just change the world. I think the same purpose is the same. It's helping people. It's helping people Getting people actually together. Building a community. I remember the other day I was telling you everybody always talks about your network right, your your work network but actually no one really talks about your social network, which is your community. Yeah, they, they think people believe they have a community online. But that online community I mean facebook is literally your online community, and instagram also that was the original idea before it kind of derailed but I think it's.

Speaker 1 44:05

It's being able to build a community around you and also having people build their own community around them. For me, I really see it as just. I really want to help people. That's really what I want. I want to get through, be able to touch people's lives and change their point of view on some things, to not make them feel like it's the end of the world and that they're alone.

Speaker 1 44:38

You know, I have a, a friend. He voted for Trump and I think most people would be like, oh, I wouldn't be friends anymore with this person, I wouldn't talk to them. And I constantly talked to him and he believes in the end of America. There's going to be a war, you know, between a civil war, between the democrats and the republicans. And then I was like you have a child. It's like so what is you know? And okay, fine, but you're not afraid, you don't want to change things you don't want. The world is not as bad as you think it is. And then so your idea is just to bunker into your house and let the whole world burn down, and then you're gonna what rise from the ashes?

Speaker 1 45:28

Why not try to change it on a small level? I'm not talking like big government level. I mean, this would be the greatest thing if he runs for office. I'm like great, go into government, go into politics, try it, do it, change things. Don't just sit back and just accept it. Try to change things on a small level, on a bigger level, and I think this is really what I would like to do. Yeah, I think wanting and speaking to people and making them want to change things around them, I think this is really my purpose To push people, and that's also what I do with you. I really want you to run into politics and I push you because you're the face. I'm too brute for people sometimes.

Speaker 2 46:19

I disagree.

Speaker 1 46:21

No, you're much more.

Speaker 2 46:22

Yes, I am, but that doesn't mean you can't run for things.

Speaker 1 46:25

I think on the local level I can work very good, but on the higher level I'm just too much. But I think that's, I feel that's my purpose and it's the same.

Speaker 2 46:39

like me, I don't for me it's also, I still see our selfish purpose. I think it's nice to come together, you and me, to discuss about things, to take the time with each other, taking a topic, elaborate a topic, yeah, and just talk about it also helping us to structure our thoughts, which there's so many I mean I'm hearing so many people that can't even turn on the news. It's too much, right, and I feel that can also give us a platform to to digest. Still also, you know the whole family scenario, the whole parenting. Honestly, there's still a lot to talk about. You're still quite anxious on certain things, right? You said for you.

Speaker 2 47:16

It's so much more difficult now than before.

Speaker 1 47:19

So I'm not anxious. It's just more difficult because it's it's not difficult in the fact that I don't know what to do no, it's just more difficult in the fact that it's just really exhausting to hear the nine horn all the time you know nine horn for those non-german speakers, as the it's a unicorn that always says nine.

Speaker 2 47:40

It's a play on words exactly because we call the unicorn einhorn and then you just add an n, so it will become a nine horn. Nine horn means a unicorn saying no all the time, which our son loves. I should have never read him that book. No, no, okay, but I think let's wrap it up. I gotta start working. So unfortunately, alright quick.

Speaker 1 48:08

Last thing your. What is your purpose?

Speaker 2 48:14

no, like I just said, I think, to make the world a better place, to share our awesomeness and, by sharing it to even more people, to make it a better world, start people, maybe, start thought processes in whatever way. To be honest, I think, whatever we're're gonna have on our minds, um, we can talk about it and and ultimately, that will create happiness. Yeah, happiness for ourselves, right, I think, and that's still a purpose as well and how are we going to do it? Talking.

Speaker 1 48:54

I'm good at that no, what I mean is how are we going to do it in the fact of we're going to do it through this podcast, right?

Speaker 2 49:04

That's one. I see it as one of the instruments.

Speaker 1 49:07

Okay, then it goes back to the consistency, right?

Speaker 2 49:10

Exactly.

Speaker 1 49:11

And what is the promise we're going to put for ourselves, our listeners, into this? That will be consistent again exactly, and that's the hook, that's the little yeah, the end word. It's being consistent again yeah, I love you, my honey bunny, even when you get on my nerves sometimes, I know see, I started annoyed and now am I annoyed. No, exactly, you're beautiful, I know and amazing, and I really want you to do more videos about what you were saying comex yeah, comex and the Peter Thiel oh this is super interesting another interesting podcast I listen to.

Speaker 2 49:57

Podcasts are great, honestly, and you know what for me? Because there's also so many audio books and I started listening to them. I just downloaded the memoirs from Angela Merkel. Oh, it's so boring, honestly. I mean the book. I'm sure it's great to read, but to listen to one voice reading a book, is completely different compared to really listen to a conversation I think listening to one voice always in your ear is sometimes did you just make a referral to me?

Speaker 1 50:32

I didn't say anything. I mean, if that's how you that's how you received it then?

Speaker 2 50:36

then so be it yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, my baby, I love you too.

Speaker 1 50:40

I love you, my handsome talk to you soon.

Speaker 2 50:42

Talk to you soon bye.