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Hello! My Name is Elder Podcast- Book of Mormon.
Step into the irreverent, controversial, and surprisingly heartwarming world of The Book of Mormon as we unpeel the layers of this boundary-pushing musical phenomenon. From the creative minds behind South Park and Avenue Q emerged a show that somehow manages to be both shockingly offensive and genuinely uplifting – a contradiction we're determined to explore.
Wondering how a musical that pushes so many boundaries became the 11th longest-running Broadway show with over $800 million in revenue? We trace the fascinating development story of how Trey Parker, Matt Stone, and Robert Lopez came together through their mutual interest in Joseph Smith and Mormonism, eventually creating what Matt Stone perfectly described as "an atheist's love letter to religion."
Through our discussion, we discover how The Book of Mormon cleverly references other musicals, from Fiddler on the Roof's "Tradition" influencing "Hello" to The Sound of Music's "I Have Confidence" inspiring "I Believe." We examine the 2020 script revisions that gave the Ugandan characters more agency and depth, exploring how these changes enhanced rather than diminished the show's impact. Most fascinatingly, we uncover how a show that could easily have been merely offensive instead delivers a nuanced message about community, faith, and finding meaning in unexpected places.
Whether you're a devoted fan who knows every lyric or someone curious about this cultural phenomenon, our exploration of The Book of Mormon reveals why this audacious musical continues to shock, delight, and surprisingly move audiences worldwide. Have you seen The Book of Mormon? We'd love to hear your thoughts on how this outrageous musical managed to become such a beloved theatrical institution!
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Hello and welcome to Musical Lyrical Lingo. We're your hosts, Tim and LJ.
Speaker 2:Today and every week we will be discussing musicals, but specifically what they taught us.
Speaker 1:I'm hot and bothered and sweaty all over.
Speaker 2:Oh, because it's the summer.
Speaker 1:It is so warm.
Speaker 2:I know it's up like, but the weather's about to change.
Speaker 1:Us gingers aren't used to it Like we really aren't. It's been lovely, though, aren't it's been lovely all I have to yeah, all I have to do is look at the sun, and I'm a a sweaty mess who's panting and can't cope yeah, no, I'm the same, I don't, I don't cope lies look at the colour of you, it looks like you've been on a holiday in a very very, but this this is factor 50 and you're still that colour because I burn, burn.
Speaker 2:So this is it just going.
Speaker 1:Listen, you don't need to talk to a ginger about burning.
Speaker 2:No, my skin's just like a ginger.
Speaker 1:Like a ginger, You're like ooh. You're like really tanned.
Speaker 2:And I've got a nice wee sun trap.
Speaker 1:Yeah, whereas I'm having to moisturise my scalp because it's absolutely baseball cap. Burned scalp because it's absolutely. Baseball cap, yes, but like Lauren, you don't want to be walking around with a hat on you all the time.
Speaker 2:Because I've got quite thin hair, so I do wear like a baseball cap.
Speaker 1:I know. But I also like. I kind of like I have to get a happy medium in that I do want a bit of colour, okay, you know, because I do look very pale and white most of the time. So I'd like to have a wee bit of sun kissed about me.
Speaker 2:Why don't you go get one of your spray tans again?
Speaker 1:We're never doing that, ever, ever again. Yeah, but honestly, june is busting out all over, isn't it? It is. Yeah, no, it's been lovely and I do think it is meant to be a nice summer, so roll on Is it though, Because this happened last year we had a lovely, lovely end of April, end of May, and then the summer was atrocious.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm going to be hopeful.
Speaker 1:I love it. Can you name any other musical I just said? June is busting tonight all over.
Speaker 3:I can't believe you didn't link the musical link from our previous episode.
Speaker 2:No, it was very good.
Speaker 1:Can you name any other musical theatre songs that reference the sun or the summer mum?
Speaker 2:There's a sun that'll come out tomorrow.
Speaker 1:Very good, the sun has got his hat on Hip hip hip hooray. The sun has got his hat on and he's coming out to play. It's a fun game, isn't it?
Speaker 2:It's a fun wee game. We're all going on a summer holiday.
Speaker 1:Brilliant. One Didn't think of that. I hope you're playing at home. Yeah, you are sunlight and I'm moon, oh, well, are we just staying some? Yeah, because we could go. We'll wait until next week when it's absolutely pouring, and then we'll do the other end of the scale the thunder and the rain.
Speaker 2:Yeah, alright.
Speaker 1:Well, we'll leave it there. I can't think of any more.
Speaker 2:I know, I can't think of any more. I bet you could go screaming.
Speaker 1:Steam heat I got. I know it's got nothing to do with but that's how I felt, darn hot boom, boom. You're rocking this game. Well done, partner. Very good, shall we do some musical theatre news?
Speaker 2:yes, please.
Speaker 1:I feel like there's been a lot probably has. I probably don't have half of it, so do chip in.
Speaker 2:I think I have some exciting news.
Speaker 1:I'm delighted, I'm glad this is us now no it's not really. No, I like it more. I feel the pressure's off a bit.
Speaker 2:Oh right, okay, yeah, it's good.
Speaker 1:Well, we have talked about this a couple of times. My first musical theatre news for this week. Finally, we have a date for the production of Frozen. That was recorded. So Frozen, starring Samantha Barks, was recorded live at the Theatre Royal jury lane in what seems like four years ago. It was in the last year, I know, but they have waited for a very long time before giving us a date. So you can see it on Disney Plus from June, the 20th.
Speaker 2:I know because there was talk that they weren't going to release it until 2026 and I think there was a wee bit of an uproar and then they have gone. Okay, it'll be June.
Speaker 1:Why would you wait that long? That's ridiculous.
Speaker 2:I'm sure we still haven't seen Aladdin.
Speaker 1:That's true.
Speaker 2:Well, speaking of pro shots, next week, next to Normal, will be available in the uk. Do you remember I said to watch. I can't remember which streaming service um, so it has been on pbs, remember I'd say yes, and we were kind of a wee bit um grabbed. It was just announced that it will be on next to normal. Next normal will be available for the uk audiences and when was that next week?
Speaker 1:when was that really? When was that released that news that it was?
Speaker 1:being released Only this week, only like two days ago. So because that's really weird, because one of my other musical theatre news for this week is that, next to the normal, the London West End cast recording starring Cassie Levy, jamie Parker, jack Wolfe that's that young fella who played the son on His Voice is Insane and Trevor Dion Nicholas will be available from the 30th of May. So but at the time of me writing my notes, I had a UK broadcast to be revealed soon.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So there we go there we go yeah, so it must be next week. It's next week, it's the 30th, so they must be releasing them around the same time. Brilliant.
Speaker 1:Happy days, brilliant, and my last musical theatre news for this week. We've got a little bit more information on the scheduling for Paddington.
Speaker 2:Oh, I didn't know that I'm in rehearsals.
Speaker 1:Yes, I'm in the rehearsals now. Wow, yeah, so obviously it's going to be in the Savoy. So evening performances are going to start from the 1st of November. Oh, very good. Yeah, with matinee performances starting the 22nd of November. I thought that was interesting. There's such a gap. Maybe they're leaving the days free to iron out the creases and I thought, interestingly, the matinees will be 2pm performances on Thursdays, saturdays and Sundays.
Speaker 2:Do you know what? It's? A brilliant time of year. What a lovely Christmas present that will be for some people too, it is very exciting.
Speaker 1:I don't think I've been as excited for a new musical as I am for this. It has to be brilliant.
Speaker 2:Magical.
Speaker 1:It has to be, doesn't?
Speaker 2:it yeah, very exciting indeed. There was loads of musicals on in the last week on TV because of BBC Radio 2 Showstoppers.
Speaker 1:I totally didn't realise until I was on one night an. Ep, not our EP, not Aaron, he wasn't doing his one man concert. However, I paid money to see that. Um, the actual Elaine Page. There was like a lot of programs. And then I did watch, uh, andrew Lloyd Webber one, because I actually thought, oh, we need to maybe do one of his soon. It's been a wee while it's been a wee, while you know. Um, what did you watch any?
Speaker 2:I've got some recorded. What have you recorded?
Speaker 3:when am I coming around?
Speaker 2:um anytime, anytime like anything goes was on so I have that re-recorded and stuff um and I can't, can't remember but there's. It's just nice to see musical theatre on TV.
Speaker 1:I know I hear you.
Speaker 2:On TV and I'm loving it at the minute as well. See, you're not on very many socials and you're not on. Tiktok, but there's loads going on like little wee performances here and there for the Tonys coming up. I know it's really exciting.
Speaker 1:It just still really bothers me that we can't watch the Tonys on TV. It's really annoying.
Speaker 2:We definitely used to be able to see a lot on YouTube.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they've cracked down on that copyright-wise, haven't they?
Speaker 2:And it's really annoying.
Speaker 1:I know I would have remembered a Monday morning getting up and getting ready for school and being really late because I was just watching the performances from the Tonys the night before. Anyway, oh, take me back to the old days.
Speaker 2:Take me back to the old. It's Calamity Dame, but I don't think it was originally. That's Take Me to the Old.
Speaker 3:Hills of.
Speaker 2:Dakota.
Speaker 1:Boring snore Hit the snooze button now.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's so good, it's horrific.
Speaker 1:Have we done Clamley?
Speaker 2:Deep. Yes, I'm just checking.
Speaker 1:I'm just checking that's done and ticked off and I never have to revisit it it's done.
Speaker 2:We're doing a modern musical today.
Speaker 1:I know and one that we have all in the room. So EP Aaron is in the room with us. He has also seen this recently. You two saw it first, didn't you? And then I had to rush down to Dublin to see it a couple of weekends ago now. Yeah, it feels like a lifetime ago. I know, actually, a lot has happened since. Yeah, we are talking about.
Speaker 1:Book of Mormon yeah, and before we started recording, I said we're going to have to be careful with this one. Yes, we could be cancelled and this could be the end of the podcast. Yeah, and we don't edit our podcasts.
Speaker 2:No, but Aaron is on standby ready to take notes in case, just in case there's a big edit, yeah, required and I suppose we're not doing a disclaimer as such, but we're just saying we are very aware that this musical is controversial very controversial, very controversial. Um, it has been around for a long time. I think a lot of people know what it's about and we are not necessarily condoning anybody um taking the mick out of religions or anything like that we're just looking at.
Speaker 1:we find this musical entertaining and we're just looking at it from an entertaining point of view and we're just going to take the musical as it presents itself to us. To be honest, I don't think anything we will say will be what anybody would see if they went and saw it.
Speaker 2:Do you know what I mean? So the Book of Mormon yeah, it is a musical comedy.
Speaker 1:No, it's a comedy. Are you serious?
Speaker 2:It is Music, lyric and book by Trey Parker, robert Lopez and Matt Stone. So those that may be familiar with those names we've got. Trey Parker and Matt Stone are famous for South Park.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Team America and Robert Lopez is famous for Avenue Q, but more commonly for those maybe that listen, him and his wife are the singer-songwriters behind Frozen.
Speaker 1:That's insane, and I promise you I didn't have a Frozen musical theatre news for this episode especially. I forgot he was a Frozen jobber. Oh really, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's quite interesting how the three of them all kind of met each other.
Speaker 2:I love that story so much.
Speaker 1:So Parker and Stone, obviously they created South Park and then that new film, team America. I was not a fan of either of those, to be quite honest with you. Apart from anything because they had a character in South Park called Timmy and I went Timmy, yes, and that's what I lived with the whole way through school. To be quite honest with you, like people coming up into my face going Timmy.
Speaker 2:And I'm like, which is probably unfortunate because south park was released in 97, so by the time it kind of got to us was about 98, which was when we started post-primary yeah, so not a good time young boys discovering south park, and that was probably not a good time for you.
Speaker 1:Listen, listen, listen, lauren, I am still getting counseled for the traumas I experienced. But anyway. So, parker and Stone, they went to see a big favourite of the podcast, avenue Q, which obviously Lopez was writer composer with Jeff Marks. Lopez then revealed that South Park Bigger, longer and Uncut was highly influential in the creation of Avenue Q. So it was kind of like meant to be, wasn't it, that all of these creatives met each other.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 100%, 100%, 100%. So and actually what I find really fascinating too is both parties, because we'll say you know the South Park guys and Lopez. They had both had an idea about doing something with Joseph Smith and so I think it was in. Let me just read my notes In 2003, trey and Matt had made had Joseph Smith character and 2003 made the South Park episode all about Mormons. And then after that they were talking to their friend Scott Rudden, who helped on Team America, and he said go see Avenue Q and they met up and they actually just thought that Lopez was a really nice guy when he mentioned I want to do something to do with Joseph Smith.
Speaker 1:For the listeners, tell them who Joseph Smith is, in case they don't know A bit like me, most of what was in Book of Mormon I had no clue about, so just the relevance of that to Mormons is. Leader of the Mormon Church Okay.
Speaker 2:And the South Park boy said said well, if you want to do it, you go ahead. And lopez said well, if you want to do it, you go ahead and they went well, why don't we just do it together? And then it was made, so together wherever we go. So lopez explained he was inspired by south park to make avenue q. Soon they discovered they all wanted to do this Joseph Smith musical in particular. In 2006, Parker and Stone flew to London where they wrote four to five songs.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I have a really interesting fact.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Hit us with this. That needs to be a feature from now on.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Lauren's really interesting fact. Okay, hit me with it.
Speaker 2:My mum and dad used to frequent london a lot, yeah, and we used to go to this restaurant called joe allen. It's still there, but back in the day it used to be, um, used to be like a, an entrance you went to and you went like down the steps.
Speaker 2:It's a little bit more open now, um, and it was where people went after shows yeah, so it was always filled with celebrities and mum and dad were there one night and Trey Parker was there talking to whoever he was with about a new musical, and my dad walked past and heard this, but it was this musical that they were talking about, that's insane. Isn't that crazy.
Speaker 1:Yes, that is very crazy. Also, what's crazy is I didn't even know that place exists. That's insane, isn't that crazy? Yes, that is very crazy. Also, what's crazy is I didn't even know that place exists. Oh my goodness, it's amazing. Why have I not been there?
Speaker 2:Arlen and I went in.
Speaker 1:August Right.
Speaker 2:And I was like, oh, this is, it's not. It looks exactly the same, but the entrance is now different with the touch tower hotel. You would love it, hello, did you ever think to maybe drag me along with? So, um, yeah, but during that time in 2006, um, you know, one of my dad was listening to that conversation.
Speaker 2:No, uh, in 2006, jeff marks, who was actually involved in the avenue q yeah, yeah um, there was some sort of falling out and he was removed from the project, so actually it was the four of them out and he was removed from the project.
Speaker 1:So actually it was the four of them, and then he was he was evicted from the party.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think Jeff Marks just fell out with Parker.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then there's not really a huge mind around it. It just says separated from the project. Dot, dot, dot In 2020, though you mind around it, it just says separated from the project.
Speaker 1:So dot dot dot in 2020, though I didn't know that um book of mormon scripts were like revised and we'll talk about that in a little bit, but um, yeah, pretty much went from 2006 and then that was it, so it is a story that follows two missionaries of the church of jesus christ of latter-day Saints as they attempt to preach the faith to the inhabitants of a remote Uganda village. The earnest young men are challenged with the lack of interest from locals, who are more distracted by pressing issues such as HIV and AIDS, famine, female genital mutilation, child molestation and the oppression by a local warlord. Hence we be very careful when talking about this. It premiered in Broadway at the Eugene O'Neill Theatre on March 2011, starring Andrew Rannells and Josh Gadd.
Speaker 2:This is where they made their names, pretty much Holy moly, yeah.
Speaker 1:And then it garnered critical acclaim and set records in ticket sales for the Eugene O'Neill Theatre. At the time, book of Mormon was awarded nine Tony Awards. Yep.
Speaker 2:In June 2011.
Speaker 1:Yeah, including Best Musical, best Book, best Score and a Grammy Award for Best Musical Theatre Album.
Speaker 2:Absolutely crazy.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So at that around at the same time of Book of Mormon. So I am actually reading this fact from the Book of Mormon programme.
Speaker 1:I see both the programme folks.
Speaker 2:And they say it's like Trey Parker guys. They're funny and like they've kind of compared like their timeline to the Mormon timeline. But when Book of Mormon won its 9 Tony Awards, at the same time more than 150 million copies of the actual Book of Mormon was fully translated into 82 languages and partially translated into 25 more. So it was big, big news for Book of Mormon in 2011.
Speaker 1:Do you think loads of people went to see the show and actually then got the Book of Mormon to read it?
Speaker 2:I mean it could. It could happen. That's what the Mormons did. Whenever Book of Mormon came out. They took an ad in programs and said if anything has resonated with you, we would love to see you Love that and I love that. Good job, I love that Great marketing team?
Speaker 1:Absolutely there. The West End production officially opened March the 21st 2013 at the Prince of Wales Theatre, and it's there still.
Speaker 3:It is, it hasn't moved anywhere, oh, gavin Creel.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Came over from Broadway to open that with Jared Gertner. I think they were reprising their roles from the North American tour that they had done. It was nominated for six Olivier's, winning four, including Best Musical, and Gavin Creel got one for Best actor.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, how we miss Gavin. I know he's being honoured, I think. I think he is At the Tonys this year as well as Brian Stokes.
Speaker 1:Mitchell, yes I didn't know that he had passed.
Speaker 2:Neither did I. I must have missed that.
Speaker 1:And we are definitely right. I probably should have googled that, but no, I definitely read that the two of them were being honoured and I was like why are they honouring Brian Stokes Mitchell? We'll do it after the pod. I don't know if we're wrong.
Speaker 2:We'll mention it in the next. I meant to tell it opened on his birthday, the 24th of March.
Speaker 1:Aaron, it opened on your birthday.
Speaker 2:Meant to be I can't believe it is the 11th longest running Broadway show.
Speaker 1:That's it 11th.
Speaker 2:It seems a bit crazy for what it is.
Speaker 1:Having. But this is the thing. I'm not going to lie to you. I am shocked that a show as controversial and as, like some would describe it as as close to the nail as you could get, I would say the nail is well and truly hammered in there, like, do you know what I mean? I think it oversteps that. That mark I think of being do you know what I mean? Like it is. It is like, oh, my goodness, they have just sung that, yeah, and in some parts, do you know what I mean? Okay, um, so it amazes me that a show as close to them, being on the other side of offensive, maybe Is the 11th longest running Broadway show, with more than 5,000 performances.
Speaker 2:Yeah, $800 million, yes, making it one of the most successful musicals of all time. Yeah, which is crazy, it's crazy.
Speaker 1:It is Now.
Speaker 2:I love what you've just said there.
Speaker 1:Okay, have I said something wrong?
Speaker 2:No, no, no, Absolutely nothing wrong, but I think this is a really interesting point and I'm going to have to pull EP in to discuss it too, because you obviously have seen the musical. I've seen the musical, I've seen the musical, we've all seen the musical in this room and you've said, like this is like over the line and like so controversial. And he walked out of that and was not offended because he watches south park yeah, but I don't watch.
Speaker 2:This is what I was gonna, so he was expecting something completely different to what he experienced.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And then you know. So you used to have different reactions to how offensive and controversial it is Are you coming in to join us? Yeah, oh, he's getting in front of the screen.
Speaker 1:This is so exciting. Come in, friend. Oh, I forgot. You have been on the screen before when you stole my job. Just talk into the microphone talk into here.
Speaker 3:This is not a natural way, we'll pick you up yeah, I think whenever we were going to see it, people were saying oh, you know, you have to have a thick skin here. It's really offensive, and all that sort of stuff. I don't think I was expecting more.
Speaker 1:I'd seen the episode all about Mormons the South Park episode, yeah.
Speaker 3:So I was thinking great episode, by the way and I was expecting something close to those lines, but obviously a wee bit more refined and that sort of thing, and ultimately I came out and was going I'm sorry, it's all right, but I certainly wasn't offended because I think it's kind of like you've been exposed to that sort of exposure therapy is that what it's called. You know we? You see that sort of humor all the time, to the point where it doesn't shock you.
Speaker 3:It's like the first time you swear in front of your granny you know, yeah, yeah, and you're kind of shocked, and then every time you do it not me, neither. But every time you do it after that it has less of an impact but you enjoyed Book of Mormon.
Speaker 2:But it was still very musical for you, wasn't it?
Speaker 3:incredibly musical and a wee bit yeah, but I thought the songs were well written. I thought it was well performed. The stage was fantastic, but it was one of those ones where I had to think on it you know, after then, it was only as I heard we were sitting in a restaurant and we were playing yeah, the soundtrack random soundtrack to play in a restaurant.
Speaker 1:It was, it was, it was the hotel, it was the hotel it was by going to Orlando or something, that one.
Speaker 3:So I was like, but yeah, I wasn't, I wasn't, you know, catching up pearls or anything yeah, I think what you've just said there about it too, musical.
Speaker 1:I think it as a show. Everything is slapped in your face. So the fact that this is a musical we're going to slap it in your face. This is going to be really musical. We want to shock in a way. So for most people who haven't seen South Park, do you know what I mean? I think everything is like throw it in your face All out there. I think everything is like through it, yes, in your face, like all, all out there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think that's where you. We're a fan of Team America, which has some really catchy songs in it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And you would say it's musical because it's a film with songs in it and you know that's technically what a musical is. So you were maybe expecting it to be more of the humorous side rather than the musical side, forgetting that you were going to see a musical. But what did it do that I absolutely loved? It made you say which is your favorite musical what did you say Back?
Speaker 1:to the Future, yeah and who encouraged you to go and see Back to the Future yay, also. And who encouraged you to go and see Back to the.
Speaker 3:Future. It was okay.
Speaker 2:Yay.
Speaker 3:Also Matt Stone and Trey Parker. They obviously have an appreciation of musicals because they write those great songs in the America. And then there's the Mormon episode, but there's also Broadway Broke Down as well, which has Andrew Lloyd Webber and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:I should really watch these episodes.
Speaker 2:I mean We'll watch it one night, but we'll After three bottles of wine.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:It isn't that staffing out one that's on the list.
Speaker 1:I think I painted a wrong picture of myself. I wasn't offended. I'm not offended by it, but I'm also not a wrong picture of myself.
Speaker 2:I wasn't like.
Speaker 1:I'm not offended by it, but I'm also not a prudish kind of person. But I can understand why some people would like people have walked out at the interval. It was quite interesting. We were looking to see what seats were going to be empty after the interval Now, to be honest, there weren't any. Do you know what I mean? But I can like honest. There weren't any. Do you know what I mean? But I can imagine how it could offend some people oh 100%.
Speaker 1:I'm not one of those people, but I can understand how it could.
Speaker 2:Especially in Spooky Mormon Helldream, which is a number in the second act where they bring out some very evil men.
Speaker 1:Yes, but that's one of my musical lyrical lingo. So my brother and I went to see Book of Mormon like years and years and years ago, and he was actually I think he was quite young to be seeing it when he saw it, but he did. And he loved it, but I think he's got more your humour. Do you know what I mean? Whereas I would never watch South Park, or you know, because I just don't find it funny.
Speaker 1:And obviously Jeffrey Dahmer is one of those awful, horrible people that is in Spooky Mormon Helldream and when I saw it, recently, yes, I went, oh my God they're referencing Jeffrey Dahmer and I'm like they must have changed that, they must have updated it, because obviously, since then you've had the big Netflix
Speaker 1:shows and the documentaries and I didn't know who Jeffrey Dahmer was until I watched those programs and I went oh, that's quite clever, They've updated it with horrible people. Everyone was going to know Do you know what I mean. And it was only when I listened to the soundtrack.
Speaker 2:After having watched it again, I went oh no, he was in the original back then, Because we're not American, so he wasn't Not American didn't know who he was, I went oh no, he was in the original.
Speaker 1:Back then it's because we're not American. So he wasn't Not American, didn't know who he was, and I'm going that reference completely would have gone over my head.
Speaker 3:Well, it did go over my head the first time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I learned.
Speaker 2:oh, jeffrey Dahmer was in Book of Mormon the first time, as well as the I also what I think helped Aaron is listening to the soundtrack after you've seen it, because we had great seats at the board gosh great seats. Some of the performances I was a little bit like. Your diction isn't great.
Speaker 1:I hear you.
Speaker 2:So there was a lot of stuff, I think, that dad and Aaron missed, but I know that soundtrack inside out so there's a lot of the words which I found really, really funny and was surprised that they weren't laughing at. And then, when we were listening to the song, he goes oh, that makes sense. Oh, I get that now. So you appreciated listening to a soundtrack after you'd seen a musical, which you wouldn't have done before.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't think the mix was right whenever we went to see it Okay. The backing tracks seemed to be louder, or the band seemed to be louder.
Speaker 1:It was the band. I don't do the backing tracks, do you?
Speaker 3:No, no, live musicians. My arms are back in.
Speaker 1:But the music? What are those? Like unions?
Speaker 3:that will be on the other end of the month and just come down the band seemed to be much louder than the vocals, so I really struggled to pick out what they were saying. And what you said was some issues with diction. Just thinking back there, there were certainly some moments where I went oh, I could see where it was going and I was like I actually recall, you know, for the love of god, I was like, oh, no, no, no.
Speaker 2:I'm saying no, no, no, I didn't see where it was going and I did laugh.
Speaker 3:Oh no, Don't do it. I'm saying no, no, no, no, no. I didn't see where it was going and I did laugh.
Speaker 2:Oh no, you weren't stupefied.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, no. You didn't go out about going like oh, I didn't enjoy that.
Speaker 2:You just I think you were expecting so much and I think that that is interesting whenever you have come from that world.
Speaker 1:you were expecting them to really push it more, but they were just more musical than you expected them to be as well and do you think audiences now know like go to the Book of Mormon knowing kind of what to expect because it's been around for a while? You would like to think so. That's what I'm wondering. I overheard a conversation.
Speaker 3:The people sitting behind us and somebody had bought them tickets didn't have a clue what they were expecting, knew nothing about the Mormon religion, knew nothing about this and what the hell is this going to be about?
Speaker 2:and no, they were into it, they were laughing.
Speaker 3:They were having a great time, which is good. We did want them to be shocked.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just cause. I often wonder, like, what were the first audiences?
Speaker 2:like I have visions in my head. Was it a bit like um, do you know in?
Speaker 3:the producers in the producers where they're?
Speaker 2:um, obviously just before the guy playing Hitler breaks his leg and then the other guy has to come in, so where people are getting up and leaving and the producers are going no, yes, this is what we want. You know the real shock factor? I have visions of that, but I don't think it was.
Speaker 1:But do you think on a hardcore level, like the producers, is a?
Speaker 3:one in comparison to the Book of Mormon, isn't it For?
Speaker 2:offence if you were to be offended, yeah, interesting warm. It isn't it for offense. If you really be offended, yeah yeah, interesting true, thanks, get out no, you can't have a job um. I also love the um nicola, nicola, nicola yeah um. So he's done so many things, but he um draws a chaperone. Aladdin, Something Rotten, Mean Girls, Something Like it. Hot Spamalot, Isn't he the choreographer?
Speaker 1:Yep Director. Did he direct and choreograph? He often directs and choreographs. To be honest, double on this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, co-director and choreographer, so I think that's where it has a really great mix of musical style to it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, I mean personally. I love the fact that you're slapped in the face with the fact it's a musical.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You too, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I love this. As I have said on the pod before, I listen to that soundtrack monthly, really. I just love it. I love the music Okay.
Speaker 1:I love the music. Okay, I love the music. And do you listen to all the songs, do you?
Speaker 3:skip that. You don't skip any songs. No, there's no songs.
Speaker 2:There would be one or two I would skip.
Speaker 1:Not. Maybe I'm a prude. There's one that I I skip.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:The first, the first song that they sing in Africa.
Speaker 2:Yes, okay.
Speaker 1:I do skip that one because I'm just like okay, I get it, I get it, I don't need this, yeah, and I can understand and I I don't think I would sing that one aloud because that wouldn't sit well. Oh, I'm so glad. Yeah, because you know it wouldn't sit.
Speaker 2:It wouldn't sit well with me, but I also appreciate the song like I do as in the songwriting of that. You know, I think it is very catchy and whatever. But yeah, we've talked a little bit about musically now, so are you ready to go straight into the musically? My tongue is all in my mouth there. I'm trying to. Not, I don't know your tongue is all in your mouth.
Speaker 1:I'm glad it is, because if it fell out and it was on the floor we'd be in trouble. We'd be bringing an arm back in. I know, you and me.
Speaker 2:Do you know what the very first thing I actually learnt was I researched why they're called elders.
Speaker 1:I never even thought to do that. Why are they called elders?
Speaker 2:Obviously, the very first song is Hello, hello hello, my name is elder, so elders. Elders hold the office of elder in the mechel zendik priesthood. It is the lowest office. Okay, this gives them authority to perform acts such as administering the sacraments and giving blessings. So this is why, whenever they go out to Africa, they can do the baptisms and stuff, because I always thought that was them overstepping their mark.
Speaker 2:Oh no, that's the point, but it's not they're allowed to do that Because I think in the church that I grew up in it's the minister that does that. It's not the elder. So yeah, I, I just there we go. They're given that name um, whenever they all go to their training camp. Once they complete their training camp, then they get the title elder yeah, I, my biggest music lyrical lingo is.
Speaker 1:I learned about the mormons and the mormon religion and I'll be honest with you, it's still a wee bit confusing to me, like because there's so much to it. Yes.
Speaker 2:Do you?
Speaker 1:know what I mean. Like I'm like I appreciate that I've now seen it twice and I would need you know. I think if I went back a third time I'd be all over, actually the how the church set up, and I'm not even going to be funny.
Speaker 2:I encourage you to watch the episode from South Park. It explains it really well does it because it explains it in a way it's. It's explaining it in a way to be like this is ridiculous. Okay, but it's explaining it so plainly that you get it.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay.
Speaker 2:So it's definitely an episode that you should watch.
Speaker 1:You mentioned. This is ridiculous and they very much play on. You know, like one of the central themes to the Book of Mormon is that many religious stories are rigid and out of touch and silly. It comes to the conclusion that essentially, religion itself can do enormous good though as long as taken, sometimes metaphorically and not literally. Yes, and Matt Stone. I think he was a reporter, maybe no one of the show's creators. What am I talking about? He once was quoted saying that Book of Mormon is like an atheist's love letter to religion.
Speaker 1:I thought that's a really cool and interesting way of putting it.
Speaker 2:Yes, because especially at the very end, or, you know, towards the end, where I don't want to give too much away for people that have seen that, but at one point one of the ladies in africa does turn around and say you didn't really believe that, did you? It's a metaphor and it's like people do you know people do go through the bible or go through whatever you know comfort they have and find something that really, like you know it's oh it, and find something that really like you know.
Speaker 2:It's like that Peter Cage joke where you know you're attending somebody's funeral and you see a packet of cheese and onion floating and you go oh that's our Jim, he loves cheese and onion. Oh it is, that's him. Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 1:Like you're just clinging to like a little bit. And if that's what gets you going and get you through something, and that's okay.
Speaker 2:I think, in life, especially now when life's so tough, whatever makes you tick and whatever helps you get through the day I am fascinated by other religions though, so I actually I wouldn't say I know a lot about the Mormon religion, but I watch an awful lot. So I for years 10 plus years I've been watching a show called my Four Wives, or Sister Wives, which is about years. I've been watching a show called my Four Wives, or Sister Wives, which is about my.
Speaker 1:I've forgotten the name of the show. I can't wait to hear where this is going.
Speaker 2:It's called Sister Wives, a man who did have four wives. He's down to one wife now and I've got Aaron on to Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. It's just drama, it's not really about the goodives.
Speaker 1:It's just drama.
Speaker 2:It's not really about the Mormons, it's Belf. It is Belf. So I do love learning and I love that actually, this musical has made me want to learn more.
Speaker 1:I do love learning.
Speaker 2:I do, but what I also?
Speaker 1:Through all your trashy TV shows. Yeah.
Speaker 2:What I did. What a great source of learning. Sorry, what I did learn from this musical. Good girl is that lots of songs were inspired. By other musicals.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So Hello is similar to Fiddler's Tradition.
Speaker 1:Is this your opinion or is this fact? This is the internet. Your opinion, no, or is this?
Speaker 2:that this is the internet's opinion.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So Hello is similar to Fiddler's Tradition and it's also similar to Bale in Beauty and the Beast. Oh, these are very wide and it's also similar to Springtime for Hitler, except Springtime for Hitler is a political satire. Bale is introducing the character and all her different ways and how. She's a bit strange in the set up and obviously tradition in Fiddler is letting you know about the Jewish tradition.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So already in Hello you know that they are Mormons and that they are oh my God, Lauren, I'm telling you. That's very wise they're interacting, to tell the audience their world.
Speaker 1:I adore you, but I think that's how most musicals start with a number that introduces the selling or the characters.
Speaker 2:It's not on that. I'm finished.
Speaker 1:We need to pause for a wee minute. Listen to Benjamin Button's cast recording. It dropped this week and you're talking about numbers like that. That's introduced and you know exactly where you stand and what's going on and who's who. That one of the opening. I've only literally listened to it today on the way here, one of the first numbers it does.
Speaker 2:That is just brilliant, it's going to be brilliant. I've only listened to the first numbers it does that is just okay, it's gonna be brilliant.
Speaker 1:I've only listened to the first three or four tracks. Amazing, okay, carry on. What else? What were?
Speaker 2:there are references to other musicals yes lion king okay, get that oh because it's in africa but also she sings like the teacher comes out, which is really inappropriate and sings circle of life like yeah yeah, she's like I've never been anyway um be careful and in the song that you were talking about, where he says oh, does it mean like?
Speaker 1:um means no worries for the rest of your day, yeah kind of, but definitely doesn't mean that. There's a few direct Lion King references.
Speaker 2:Yeah, Wicked you and me is defying gravity no no, no, no. This is true. This is true, and especially when he says but mostly me and he goes. I don't understand music but it says they both end in DB major, but mostly me. And he goes I don't understand music but it says they both end in DB major, but mostly me. It's me me.
Speaker 1:There you go. Fair, I'll take that one. That's a good one. There you go, okay. Never thought of that. Well, you know, I'm impressed, pitch perfect there.
Speaker 2:I know very good and the dance obviously in Spooky Mormon Helldream is Chorus Line lies.
Speaker 1:It is that's right. They put their top hats on and stuff. Fair enough, fair enough, very good. And my last oh no, no, oh no, I'm not Sorry.
Speaker 2:I've got two more. Tomorrow is a latter day. The last song is you Can't Stop.
Speaker 1:You Can't Stop the Beat from Hairspray Nice.
Speaker 2:And I Believe.
Speaker 1:I don't take that one at all this one I was actually really impressed with. I can't wait.
Speaker 2:Sound of Music. I have Confidence is the same as I Believe, because they are both based on religious beliefs, both have a what's the matter with me and they both sound the same where it says a warlord who shoots people in the face. What's so scary?
Speaker 1:about that and hers is a captain with seven children.
Speaker 2:What's so fearsome about that? That's fair they're all there, mr Bell that, that wee lyrical line from both. Yes, because it even follows the same rhythmic pattern as well so there you go clever so they did pull a lot from musicals to inspire their musical yeah and yeah, I was like, yeah, I learned, learned a lot about actual Mormon and the angel Maroon Eye.
Speaker 1:Another thing I learned about Mormons. The opening scenes of Act 1 and Act 2 are a parody of Hill Cumara pageant, which is an annual production of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, staged at the foot of Hill Cumara I hope I've said that right in Palmyra in New York. It premiered in 1937, and it was considered to be the flagship pageant of Latter-day Saints Church. It featured more than 700 cast members. It featured more than 700 cast members, 1,300 costumes and a 10 level stage. Tell you what these Mormons know, what they're doing. They know how to put on a production or a pageant. It ran for seven nights in late July and attracted 35,000 viewers annually. This was an annual event.
Speaker 2:Oh my goodness, that's mental.
Speaker 1:And it's like showcased the story of you know the Mormon religion and how it came about, and the pageant was last performed. So it was performed the whole way through until 2019. And I think as a church they went. Let's maybe spend the money that we're using on these pageants elsewhere.
Speaker 3:And that's the only reason it stopped.
Speaker 1:Fair. But that's, I kind of want to see it yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm sure there must be a recording of it Ten level stage. Yeah, there must be a recording of it somewhere.
Speaker 3:Unbelievable.
Speaker 2:Mormons are always portrayed to be really nice people. Yeah, and I, I like that.
Speaker 1:That's what the musical has done in my opinion, like anybody, regardless of religion, if they themselves see themselves as a religious person and they follow whatever religion they choose. Yeah, you would hope they are, because that's actually the basis of any religion. If you're a religious person, you're supposed to be leading by example.
Speaker 3:So yeah.
Speaker 1:But yes, anytime you see them walking around, they seem very smiley and happy. They're very cheerful. How are we? Hello, yep, my name is Elder. They sing about leave in is Elder. They sing about leave in that number. They sing about leaving this book for you to just peruse. And peruse has this, and I'm guilty of it has this common idea of to glance through it quickly, just to look through it. However, do you know what peruse actually means? The actual description, definition of peruse is to read, typically in a thorough and careful way.
Speaker 2:No way. The complete opposite of what we have.
Speaker 1:That common. So I want to know where did that common opinion of what peruse? You know, just peruse that, but actually to peruse it is to read it in a thorough, careful way.
Speaker 2:I wonder, was it because maybe somebody didn't? Or somebody was like oh yeah, I perused that and then somebody else knew, if I remember, that they didn't read?
Speaker 1:it in detail, so it was like, yeah, he perused it.
Speaker 2:I love how you just giggle in the background, because I come off as something ridiculous.
Speaker 3:It's not ridiculous.
Speaker 1:I, I'm ridiculous. I liked it too, and it made sense.
Speaker 3:It made sense on like some of those links to other musicals.
Speaker 1:I'll give you 2 out of 5 how many did you give me? 73 2 by 2.
Speaker 2:We're marching door to door and obviously a direct link to Noah's Ark.
Speaker 1:A direct link to Noah's Ark. Absolutely, it's the song where they are.
Speaker 2:I love also Mission Control, like all the Mormons stand in front of Mission Control and they're told where in the world they're going to go on their mission.
Speaker 1:And the two Mormons who are being sent to Japan. They sing about it being land of soy sauce. And Mothra had no idea what Mothra was. Were you the same? What's Mothra? He's looking at us like we're sick.
Speaker 3:No, it's a giant bomb from the Royal Soul movies.
Speaker 1:Yes, it is the giant. Is it a giant moth from the Godzilla movies?
Speaker 2:Yes, all my research is a part of that. It is the giant moth from the Godzilla movies.
Speaker 1:Yes, a fictional monster first appearing in the 1961 film. Yeah, you smoke your fake cigarette over there, looking happy with yourself. I didn't know that the Mothra was a giant moth. I don't watch Godzilla, too scary.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know. Why would you pretend that?
Speaker 1:Move on quickly. His smugness is rubbing me up the wrong way.
Speaker 2:Yes, I learned, I think, actually from Book of Mormon of our first, where it talks about the planets yeah, I then didn't realize that that was a huge part of their religion. Was the planets um, and jackson was in missouri, yeah listen, I'm not gonna to you.
Speaker 1:It almost took me to see the show the second time round for the song Salt Lake City to be a play on Salt Lake.
Speaker 1:City, which is the holy city of Mormonism but literally the way she said. You know, obviously it's a play on how Ugandans maybe would pronounce Salt Lake City, but I didn't get that necessarily the first time until maybe the end of the song and then the second time when I saw it, I went, oh yeah, this is. This is really clever what you're doing here. Also can I just say I'm glad you have the program, but whoever the girl was who sang that, to be fair I think anybody I'm glad you have the program.
Speaker 1:But whoever the girl was, who sang that, to be fair, I think anybody who I've ever seen sing it, or even on videos, they always have a rocking voice, but this girl was her voice was insane.
Speaker 2:So this is what I'm going to show you. Because I was blown away by this, I'm showing it to you right now she's showing me it's her first job.
Speaker 1:Yeah, nia Nish, I hope I've said that right, but you were absolutely insane. Trained in Mount View Academy Arts and her theatre credits include Book of Mormon, prince of Wales, full Stop.
Speaker 2:She was insane, absolutely insane.
Speaker 1:The voice was crystal. Her voice was crystal clear.
Speaker 2:She was amazing.
Speaker 3:Absolutely insane Stunning.
Speaker 1:Have you any?
Speaker 2:others. No, that's me.
Speaker 1:I thought you would have had hundreds more than me and I was going to be like bowing my head in shame. All American prophet I love they sing. There's a fresh third part out there which was found by a hip new prophet who had a little Donny Osmond flair. Didn't know Donny Osmond was a Mormon, donny Osmond and Joseph Smith bear no resemblance to each other, but they're both Mormons.
Speaker 2:Didn't know that.
Speaker 1:Did you know? Didn't know? Donny Osmond All of the Osmonds are Mormons.
Speaker 2:There you go.
Speaker 1:Can we talk warlords for a minute? This is where we might get in trouble. So the warlord that all of the folk in the Ugandan village that they go to town that they go to are under control and very much scared of their warlord, called General Butt I'm not saying the effing word Naked, but that's what he's called, general Butt, effing naked. Yeah, do you know that that's loosely based on an actual warlord.
Speaker 2:Yes, did you know that? Yeah.
Speaker 1:Whose name was General Butt Naked.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Because he was known for going into combat wearing no clothing.
Speaker 2:As a sign of I'm like really important, so he just didn't want anything?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I read that, and they called his fighters although they were mostly child fighters, which just makes me sad they were. The fighters were known as naked base commandos. Stop laughing.
Speaker 2:Oh, dear yeah.
Speaker 1:But I didn't like.
Speaker 2:I know.
Speaker 1:Very closely linked to you.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:They're not going to come for me, are they? No, no, no, no they're not.
Speaker 2:But you know like you have to remember that the Southport guys are very clever. Yeah, and they're very up to date as well, and they're only going to make entertainment on something that is real.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:Or something that people know about. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:However, it is what is in your head as you're walking out of that, that the name of that character, like we giggled for about two hours after that show just over the name of him.
Speaker 2:I know, yeah, and I think originally, um, they were going to put more of the the lines in the song, but then they replaced the line with I have maggots in my don't that bit, so they did. Yeah, I think they were going to give him a real song oh, were they about that?
Speaker 1:I'm kind of glad they left that one out.
Speaker 2:To be honest, I think there was enough in there for all and I actually love in, I believe right where he like you know, he's got all this courage and he goes right into the generals and he's like what is this? But he's in. It's really like I'm singing and everything's okay and blah, blah, blah and the guy's like what is going on?
Speaker 1:I love when he grabs the warlord's hand and then starts like doing like sways in the air, like it is very funny. And then obviously what happens to the book and that poor Mormon after is very funny, very, very funny. Do you know what it's this? And the boys know what they're doing.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But they also round it off in such a beautiful way, like the end of the. You go out like and like, like. Uplifted which is a really clever, like very cleverly done.
Speaker 2:And I didn't walk out being like oh my goodness, they were really slated Like the more, as in like or I don't know it was. It's strange because you know that they are highlighting maybe problems.
Speaker 1:Listen. They make fun of them the whole way through, but at the end there's a lovely core message isn't there.
Speaker 2:Yes, of community and love and support, being there for one another in hard times. And you know, like the little comments of we have we've seen all these missionaries before and it goes oh, but that was a christian bible. And like this, you know, like actually there's loads of people coming out but they're just not doing the right work and the right support. Well, actually these guys, whether it was, you know professor, professor elder cullingham making stuff up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you're making things up again, arnold, I love it.
Speaker 2:I sing that to him all the time.
Speaker 1:He doesn't make anything up. No, no, no, that's not how we do it.
Speaker 2:It's because I don't understand how somebody knows a fact about everything. They're like you're making this up again, aren't you I?
Speaker 1:think one of my favourite lines is about him subscribing to the book and you get a free set of steak knives.
Speaker 2:Very funny. I just think it is hilarious. Elder Green is one of my faves.
Speaker 1:The next time I go to London on a trip, we're going to go and see it. Oh, fab, yeah, fab, yeah, yeah, it's great. I also love the way he can't get her name right. Oh, so funny. Those were the biggest laughs that they got out of me.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:So funny. I absolutely and it totally took me off guard every single time they did it oh really yes honestly, I almost like I forgot that it was a, a running guy. Yes, and it caught me again, and every single time it was something funnier than the last time and I was like how is he flipping doing this?
Speaker 2:but I also love that because we've seen a tour and we've seen it. They obviously change depending on where they are. So I love that. It was very culturally funny Very much. Because then we were like Nadine Coyle and Bono and all of that stuff and it was just, yeah, it was funny.
Speaker 1:You had mentioned that. Was it 2020? 2020. 2020, they had made some revisions to the script.
Speaker 2:Yeah to the Uganda villagers.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So scripts were revised to give the African characters more to do and more lines, and that all came from everything that happened in 2020. And I didn't see a production. I've sort of only seen a production there and I know a lot of people who have seen it after have said actually the changes they've made in the script has been great. It was not, and actually I don't think it enhanced as in sorry, I don't think it changed any meaning or anything like that. It actually just was better.
Speaker 1:It's even funnier, like some of those one-liners uh towards the mormons are hilarious. There's one woman in particular I think she like did the rafiki bit that you're talking about, like hilarious like I just really love mud hut that you've got you know like it wasn't even things that they said.
Speaker 2:It was also like their how they looked at people and how they like I don't know. Yeah, it was just. I really loved that little community in Uganda. I thought it was great they also had an iPad.
Speaker 1:This, do you know her on her, her iPad, I think, was a typewriter the first and the first time I saw it. So they've updated the technology in it as well, right, because we were like I'm almost sure she didn't have an iPad the last time.
Speaker 2:Okay, that makes sense. That can make sense. There was something else where I was like I felt like there should have been a few e-tweaks, but I can't think of it. Maybe it was the iPad thing.
Speaker 1:No very funny.
Speaker 2:Yeah, very, very, very funny.
Speaker 1:Just on the Vations. Then what are you left with? I believe, I believe Sure is, Are you?
Speaker 2:left with I Believe, I love, I Believe. It's one that definitely gets stuck in my head, yeah, and I think it's a real power song.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I have two One that I've always loved and that's Turn it Off Like it makes me roar, like roar, and one that stood out this time round and almost like I'd kind of forgotten completely about it is the end of Act One. Man Up, man up, yes, man up, like to the point now when I didn't remember this ending the first half. But oh, my goodness, yes, it was amazing, like it was amazing, yeah.
Speaker 2:I thought he was very good.
Speaker 1:He was brilliant.
Speaker 2:I thought he was very good. He was brilliant. I thought that everybody on tour was brilliant, but my one downfall was yes diction wasn't great and the guy playing.
Speaker 1:Don't sing. No, don't do that.
Speaker 2:No, no, I'm not doing that. I was very aware that he was maybe inspired by the original.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:There's a real.
Speaker 1:American twang sound.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And I think sometimes if that's overdone, then you lose diction.
Speaker 2:Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1:And I think that's fair to say.
Speaker 2:But I also think it's very hard.
Speaker 1:Because there was a lot of them had that American nasally twangy kind of type singing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I thought nasally twangy kind of type singing. Yeah, I thought I think because even josh gadd and andrew andrew randall's, they made those characters that it is very hard for you to come in and because people are sometimes expecting that. It's a bit like going to see back to the future and george mcfly not having that voice yeah, you know so it is. It is a bit difficult, but yeah, you know sound wasn't great on a lot of songs.
Speaker 1:Wow.
Speaker 2:But I really enjoyed it. I would definitely go back and see it again, and I have still continued to listen to the soundtrack.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I listened to it after I saw it as well, and then made the decision right, we'll go and see it.
Speaker 2:Perfect yeah, love it.
Speaker 1:When we're in London next. Okay, what would Paddy do to finish this off for the day? Would you sing, like to sing proudly with this Is Me from the Greatest Showman, or reflect on a legacy with who Lives, who Dies? Who Tells your Story from Hamilton?
Speaker 2:Who Lives, who Dies, who Tells your Story?
Speaker 1:you're a big Ham fan yeah we are approaching.
Speaker 2:I know the summer months.
Speaker 1:I may start doing my research For that now, because there'll be a Musical lyrical per line.
Speaker 2:I know it's going to be a big.
Speaker 1:You're all over it. You know all that. I don't know any of that. I may take a fortnight Per song. You better start now. It won't be next week, that's for sure. I may take a fortnight per song you better start now. It won't be next week, that's for sure but tune in next week for one of my favorites tip, tip, tip, tip, tip, tip, tip tip tip, tip. You're going back to these blooming clues again.
Speaker 2:I'm not, I'm just doing a tap, tap, tap tap, tap, tap.
Speaker 1:People think you've lost your marbles. Oh no, hold on.
Speaker 2:They thought you'd lost your marbles About 30 minutes ago With your musical references Shut up.
Speaker 1:Do you hear Aaron Uffrey next week? Because I am not being spoken to in this way. I can't be Until next week. Bye.
