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Casual Camping Podcast
Camping Costs Nothing
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In this week's show, Ade and Tim stand accused of arguing that Camping Costs Nothing.
Listener and friend of the show, Thom, has written a detailed and thorough report examining the use of the word 'Nothing' in relation to cost, weight and occupied space. He argues that nothing does in fact cost, weigh and occupy something. Furthermore, he proposes that on occasion, nothing can be expensive, heavy and take up a considerable amount of space in the car. Sometimes resulting in the need to purchase a van or trailer, which also costs more than nothing.
Ade and Tim counter this report with their usual 'Casual' style of banter that you've come to expect.
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Welcome to season four of Casual Camping Podcast, your home for the best camping discussion both in and out of the field. Here are your hosts, Tim and Aid.
SPEAKER_06Hello and welcome to this week's episode of Casual Camping Podcast. I'm Tim and I'm Aide.
SPEAKER_08We're coming at you right like Cleopatra with some more camping stuff. So thank you for joining us once again. Whether you're on the train on the underground or whether you are just you're doing your daily commute or you're out for a run or whatever, maybe you're just camping in a field. We're here for you.
SPEAKER_06Oh, that's that's lovely. That's that's like a hug in your ears.
SPEAKER_08How many things do we need to copyright, Tim?
SPEAKER_06Earhs, ear hugs. Oh my god. Yeah, we need to bring out our own headphones, call them ear hugs.
SPEAKER_08Yeah. And uh, you know, I think uh I've been camping. I went camping last week, had a cheeky overnight, uh, caught up with uh some friends, had a friend that's turned 50 recently, so and uh I've not been a very good camping friend because you know what, we've been busy with the pod team, you know.
SPEAKER_06We have been um we have been crazy busy really, haven't we? It's been it's been a busy year, Ed. It's been a busy, a busy old year this year.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, and I am by no means uh complaining about it. The wonderful guys from Van Gogh, all the shows that we've been to, the Bushcraft Show, the Bar to Barn that took quite a lot of sorting out and loads and loads of things, and it's been a great, great fun.
SPEAKER_06It has, and and it feels like you know, we're in September now, uh it's becoming it's getting close to the middle of September, and for most people it's the end of their camping season, isn't it? There's a few people on our group have kind of gone, we've packed it all away now, and we've put it all away, and and it's all dry, and it's all clean, and it's all safe, and it's gone away until spring next year. And we're like, WTF? You know, what the fluff? This this camping camping season has no end, people. You just you just haven't bought enough equipment.
SPEAKER_08Hooray, yeah. I mean that that is the thing. So, you know, yes, okay. The cheat it does feel like autumn is on its way, you know. Our long hot summer has changed, and it's raining here in Lemmington Spa, Royal Lemmington Spa, as we speak. Um people are getting their s chimneys swept, Tim. It's getting busy, you know.
SPEAKER_06You're you're you're a busy little chimney sweep, aren't you?
SPEAKER_08You look uh you must have I've been sweeping till seven o'clock.
SPEAKER_06Oh my god, you must have your dancing legs on and everything.
SPEAKER_08I've even got the ringtone. I changed it to uh chimchiminy, chimchim, and it went off while I was in somebody's house, and the whole house just burst out laughing. Going, of course, he's got a chimney sweep having ringtone.
SPEAKER_05I went seemed appropriate, you know.
SPEAKER_06Maybe you need me to just phone you at those sort of times, just let me know. Just send me a message and say phone me in five minutes, and I will I think you need you need something on your van, like an ice cream wagon. So when you're driving round, it's just playing chim chiminy, chim chiminy.
SPEAKER_08I was thinking, can I get brushes on the wheels or something, you know?
SPEAKER_03Oh god.
SPEAKER_08I think I'd look like the child catcher though, unfortunately.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, somebody somebody put an order out on you.
SPEAKER_08But you know, so so one thing that obviously gets me quite excited that the change of seasons means hot tent in stoves getting sort of out, things like that. People that have enjoyed the summer and thought, you know what, I want this not to end. Have a look. Winnerwell have got a 30% sale on on some items, I think. I noticed the other day. Wow, wow.
SPEAKER_06That's a decent. There's a lot of end of season, end of so cold season sales going on at the moment. Um people can really pick up some bargains. And um, and hot tenting is um hot tenting season is is just around the corner.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, hot tenting season. It's the new sort of summer season, really.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, let's work, let's work on that slogan. Yeah, okay. Winter, the new summer.
SPEAKER_08I've used up all my creative juices on the uh earhugs.
SPEAKER_06That's a great that's a great slogan though. Earhs. That's a great name for a product. Oh, if Apple. Have you seen the new Apple um uh AirPods, you know, which should be called earhugs that translate live while someone's talking to you in gibberish? Uh yeah. I've uh I bet they don't work for Yorkshire.
SPEAKER_08Can you imagine if you're just talking to somebody from say Liverpool and they start translating for speaking to somebody?
SPEAKER_06And in your ears, it's going so hello there, my good chap. This is where the Beatles are, you know, the fab four. I wonder if you can set it so please please translate to posh English bloke. Yeah. Oh yeah, that'd be good.
SPEAKER_08Oh amazing. Um yeah, so so there are sales out there. Um, and you know what? Do you know what? Things in a sale, they cost nothing. Nothing. Absolute nothing, bargains. Um, which lead leads us very nicely on to uh we uh we think we need to do a rebuttal this week, don't we?
SPEAKER_06We absolutely do. We need to we we need to come back at a certain individual who's uh who's cast aspersions on uh on our advice.
SPEAKER_08So uh those of you that haven't seen uh you're obviously not on uh Facebook and uh Instagram because it's been posted.
SPEAKER_06There has been an I think I can probably put his video in this bit. I can take the audio off it and put his video in this if you'd like to.
SPEAKER_08Ah, brilliant. Okay, so let us pause for a second and listen to can we say his name? Tom.
SPEAKER_06Tom from Off the Beaten Parts.
SPEAKER_08Tom from Off the Beaten Parts, yes.
SPEAKER_02A recent investigation into Tim and Aid of the casual camping podcast has revealed something quite disturbing. The subsequent report, which is attached, has revealed some shocking findings. But first, we're gonna hear from someone and they'd like to stay anonymous.
SPEAKER_00I was just listening to it on my commute, and then before you knew it, I had seven different callers, four different tents, and there's too much stuff for my house, so I actually ended up selling my house and moving in to all of my camping gear, and now that's where I live. Yeah, uh it's been absolutely shocking.
SPEAKER_06A recent investigation into Tim and Aid of the Casual Camping Podcast The Casual Camping Nothing Audit, an independent investigation into the cost, weight, and spatial requirements of nothing. Preliminary investigative report. Subjects Aid and Tim, investigating authority, an individual with entirely too much time on his hands. AKA Tom. Executive summary The Casual Camping Podcast has over a substantial period of time developed a highly sophisticated relationship with the word nothing. Nothing is apparently cheap, nothing is apparently light, nothing apparently takes up no room in the car, nothing can also, under certain circumstances, justify the purchase of considerably more expensive camping equipment. This report therefore attempts to establish what nothing actually means when uttered by Aid and Tim and whether it is, in fact, something. The investigation uses the brothers' own podcast catalogue and published episodes episode transcripts as primary evidence, particularly attention has been paid to statements involving cost, weight, bulk, packability, unnecessary purchases and the phrase I don't need it. This is a preliminary forensic audit, not a claim that every episode has been word for word analysed. Where an amount is listened uh where an amount is listener reported rather than independently verified, it is labelled accordingly. Product prices and specifications should be treated as snapshots rather than permanent values. The nothing scale. Zero, genuine nothing, genuinely free, weightless and dimensionless. One, negligible nothing. Technically something, but nobody cares. Two, casual nothing, small enough to say it's nothing with a straight face. Three, noticeable nothing, now requiring a pocket, bag or justification. Four bulky nothing has entered the vehicle loading process. Five absolute bollocks has its own bag, storage system, justification and probably a YouTube video. Following the preliminary findings one, nothing has a price. Sometimes that price is zero, sometimes that price is fifteen thousand pounds. Two, nothing has weight. Once it needs a bag, it is probably no longer nothing. Three, nothing has volume. If it affects vehicle packing, it is spatially significant. Four, nothing reproduces. One's useful one useful item frequently leads to several related useful items. Nothing and five, nothing creates something, especially when listeners are involved. And six, nothing can be surprisingly expensive. This is the most serious finding to date. The three dimensions of nothing. Financial nothing, it cost nothing. Actual question, did you subsequently buy anything because of it? Weightless nothing, it weighs nothing. Actual question, would you still say that after carrying it for five miles? Spatial nothing, it packs down to nothing. Actual question, where exactly is the nothing stored in the vehicle? Final statement. Aid and Tim, the evidence is becoming difficult to ignore. Your definition of nothing appears to differ materially from the accepted definition used by ordinary people. A normal person hears nothing and imagines an absence of measurable matter, cost or volume. A casual camping podcast listener hears nothing and apparently ends up with a new tent, stove, cooking system, van and a £15,000 invoice. Therefore, until further evidence is submitted, this investigation concludes. What the F do you actually mean by nothing? Respectfully submitted the investigating authority and inv an individual with entirely too much time on their hands. Some definite accusations there that our maths doesn't add up. Um because obviously uh most things we say cost nothing.
SPEAKER_08They cost now. And and like I'll I'll explain myself when I say yeah, it costs next to now. You know, one, it's a Yorkshireism, you know. We're a bit tight in Yorkshire, so you know. Uh two, if I put it on my credit card, it's cost me now.
SPEAKER_06The never never is now, isn't it? Really?
SPEAKER_08You know, it really is, you know. Doesn't never never translate to nought.
SPEAKER_06In the Yorkshire dictionary, aye, it does.
SPEAKER_08And so also, Tim, you know, you and I are very good at selling on things.
SPEAKER_06I'm I'm probably a little bit better at it than you if you're you are you are you are I've been meaning to sell some stuff and it's still in the garage.
SPEAKER_08Yeah. So also then, if I've sold something that you know I got cheaply or for now, and then I sell something that gives me some money to go buy something else instead of paying off that never never credit card, then it's cost me now. Absolutely. That makes per perfect sense to me.
SPEAKER_06Yeah, complete sense. And if you find an absolute bargain that was previously really quite expensive, well, that's cost nothing, then has it really? Although, yes, it might have actually cost you something in relative terms, it's nothing, it's nothing, absolutely compared to what it was.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, yeah. Now, now obviously our our dictionary skills and vocabulary are maybe not as good as they should be, but I do stand by the fact that when I say it cost now means uh if I spent money 10 years ago on something that has then gone, you know. So if if I I'll use my Van Gogh tent that I used to have, I bought it for 230 quid, I kept it for 10 years, now the same sort of tent was worth a lot more, and I sold it for 235 quid.
SPEAKER_06Oh my god. That cost me an out. That literally cost you an out, that cost you nothing. That's that's a perfect illustration of camping economics.
SPEAKER_08Camping economics, you know, if anybody's worried about that next little purchase or something's turning up, this bit is the bit that you need to actually just save and have in the background so it subliminally lets your other half know that something might be happening.
SPEAKER_06It's um you know, now now it can mean nothing, now it can mean a small amount, and now it can mean quite a lot, but only if it's in comparison to even more. And yeah, and I don't understand where the confusion is in that because that makes no that that makes complete sense to me, all of which aids psychologically into allowing me to facilitate more camping purchases.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, yeah, and and certainly for me, uh, where I've gone and taught myself out of something because I go, no, it's too much, and then they go, It here's uh uh a free shipping or uh it's 20% off this weekend only. I go, well, that's that's like now in itself. So the justification of I've I've been good and talked myself out of the top end purchase, I've now got a discount. Well aye, of course I do it. Aye, aye, you uh it's um I mean I'm I'm obviously going to debtors prison at some point soon, but you know you're gonna you're gonna wind up on a boat to Australia, aren't you?
SPEAKER_06With all them spiders.
SPEAKER_08Can can you take me to Iceland instead? I'd go there. Mind you, yeah, expensive beers, no.
SPEAKER_06Very expensive beers, and uh and it's winter camping all year round there. Yeah, and they don't they don't have lots of trees, so you can't even get a wood burner. But doesn't everybody get like a four by four Jeep? Isn't that like the rules? I think yeah, I think every car's a monster truck. Just to balance it all out. It's just to balance it.
SPEAKER_05Bigfoot and the muscle machines, up to date, up-to-date cartoon reference, therefore, yeah. 1980s cartoon reference.
SPEAKER_06It's uh I loved that cartoon, Bigfoot and the muscle machines. It's um I'm sure it was voiced by Hulk Hogan. Um I might have been mashing two things together there, but I think it might have been.
SPEAKER_08Hey Tim, this this is a rebuttal kind of episode, so you can say what you want. I'm getting onto warm beers in a minute.
SPEAKER_06There's nothing wrong with warm. I mean, you know, when I say warm beers, I don't mean like I've put it on the stove and I've warmed it up a bit. I I just mean it's not in the it's not always in the cool box. You know, if it's like 35 degrees centigrade outside, well, yeah, it's gonna be in the cool box. But to be honest, even then, it's too bloody cold to drink. It's like it makes the teeth go funny.
SPEAKER_08Well, you know, so so this one's uh you know, we we've come back at Tom. I'm gonna come back at Led because he's quite often having a uh a quick little jab at uh warm beers and uh stuff. So the economic not the economics, the uh physicality of drinking an ice-cold alcoholic beverage, surely, in order for your body to consume and uh imbibe the alcohol, your body's then got to warm it up a little bit to get it into your system. So maybe us Brits are just ahead of the game where we go, you know what, I can get drunker quicker with warm beer than you can with cold beer because your body's having to work much harder to get it to absorb.
SPEAKER_06I you see, I don't know the science on that, but it just sounds right, doesn't it? It just sounds right.
SPEAKER_07It does sound right.
SPEAKER_06I think I think you know, I think it does sound right. AI, I've put it into AI and AI disagrees. AI says it makes no difference. Um, but uh warm beer can seem stronger because it reaches peak effect faster. So actually, they'll both get you as drunk, but you get drunk quicker on warm beer. There you go, that's science right there.
SPEAKER_08You you know what AI's just pointed out, and I'm I'm gonna say have this, Laird, if you're listening. In your face. We can get drunker, we're more professional at being drunk than you guys are.
SPEAKER_06So, yeah, uh one study found warm alcohol reached peak um uh alcohol absorption 12 minutes faster than cold alcohol. So we are we are off our face a whole 12 minutes. Well, that's like that's less than a quarter of an hour, you know. We think of think of the mayhem we can cause in 12 minutes. That's me on rum. Buildings will fall, and you're still like I feel a little bit tingly.
SPEAKER_08I'm half pickled anyway. Um but but there you go, you see. We've always said you don't come here for the facts, but now you do read them and weep, people read them and weep. You know, they they they think let's sort out world peace and hunger now. Come on, who we getting at that UN bloody hell stop it with all this peace. Come on, let's make some more people hungry. Oh no, the other way around, isn't it?
SPEAKER_06Oh gosh, this this is definitely sounding more like casual campaigning podcast again.
SPEAKER_05Oh dear, oh man.
SPEAKER_08Well, yes uh when is your next camp?
SPEAKER_06Well, it was uh it was supposed to be tomorrow night uh for a two-night weekend away, but I uh my mates are shitter than your mates, so uh so they uh I've I've been let down. I've been let let down. So uh I I don't have another camp currently scheduled in because the following weekend it's the start of my holiday, so I uh uh I'm going I'm going away. Going away. So uh going away not in a tent. It's um so uh this was gonna
SPEAKER_08to be like the the the sort of the the the end to the summer season of camping for me I was really looking forward to this weekend but it's um my mates are fair weather campers so they don't want to camp in the rain and and it is going to be wet and it does make it mu a bit more miserable you know a couple of couple of weeks ago we were camping with with Charles Chasington of Chasington Towers and um and it and it was wet and uh it didn't make it miserable because actually we had a really good time and it's uh we were great but everything was wet and it took a few days to get it all properly dried and everything so I I understand why why people don't you know they're not rushing to go camping this weekend but um I am gutted I am gutted all the same I really uh I'm so busy at work at the moment I uh I really needed to go and sit in a field but um uh one of my mates has decided well we'll turn it into a beer and curry night so I'm gonna get pissed instead I if you're in a bar you won't be able to control the temperature of the alcohol that you've been served so just put up with whatever it is Tim don't glass nobody okay what's this we don't recommend glassing people obviously no that's why that's why we now have to have that disclaimer at the end sorry oh god did you have a nice camping trip though this week I did and it was it was a a real back to basics while camping site where it was a grass field and they had mown in little pet pitches for people and you could just go find your own and that was it uh so there were three of us and it it was just nice and it was a lovely evening great sunset everybody had a bit of new kit so it was kind of like oh yeah let's have a look at what we've got I was showing off my Van Gogh stuff because I've been camping in the Vango stuff it was brilliant it's good stuff it's great stuff and you know what it packs into that bag and I go oh I'm off camping I might take it this weekend to be honest yeah you've you're going again you're going again again yeah I'm gonna get a shot in the arm from the uh the Geordies uh going up to uh Newcastle to a little kind of festival thing and seeing some old friends and um yeah eating some good food camping in a field and you know uh but yeah it's there's some some music vibes there aren't there as well you can you camping till Monday it's like a long weekend isn't it um it might be I'm working Monday so I'm gonna come back Sunday.
SPEAKER_06Okay okay I said no originally because uh it was gonna be a long weekend so now obviously I realise I'd sound like a right dick because I was I I said no to camping and then tried to go camping with other mates and then I've got let down so you know that's that's that's that's the the way the world goes isn't it the um Tim you there's no way you can finish work on a Friday and drive to Newcastle. No there's no there's no way most most Fridays there's no way I can drive to be honest uh yeah I um play play hooky Tim but those people won't be too sick I'm sure of it there's nothing I can stop about and by the way don't put you know if you were gonna ever start editing that'd be the thing to think about especially if you weren't at work tomorrow okay yeah unfortunately there's quite a few people at work listen to this I really wish they they didn't I can't get away with anything oh man oh god no it's uh so yeah you'll have a you'll have a cracking weekend and uh and it's been Barry's birthday this week hasn't it so happy birthday war bars war bars big bars from the tune um so yes um yeah I'm really looking forward to that you've had a new purchase as well haven't you uh I have yes I have I have I've uh where the flip did you find that because it's still out of stock everywhere I've looked yeah I um uh so I've got the Van Gogh Nomad Smokeless Fire Pit that actually I was given money for for my birthday um and it's not been in stock my birthday was the end of June and it's not been in stock the entire time and I just found one website that had I don't know two or three in and uh it's still out of stock in a lot of places but we played with this way back in March at Outdoor and Social and it was such a great piece of kits that I um I have uh it was on my list really I I wanted a fire pit for the garden that wasn't too big that maybe I could take camp in and I was looking at like a smaller solo stove but then this was absolutely brilliant and uh and totally works as a smokeless fire pit which I was gobsmacked with. So um so I definitely wanted it. It's good it's the perfect size for the garden uh but it also completely collapses and goes into about the size of a briefcase and you can take it out in the field so uh it will make an appearance in the field at some point but at the moment it's set up in the garden and built myself a nice little lid on it although somebody online called it a porta potty you bastard but um you know whoa Tim's not pulling any punches got kicked out of the group I'm joking I'm joking it's all funny Tim with great with great power comes great responsibility I know I know I'll get them back I'll get them back it's um but yeah no so it's uh it's a great a great piece of kit and it is um I bought it it's all it's bought not gifted not discounted it's uh I know Van Gogh have been very very um kind to us with uh giving us a fast and light kit each but I um I bought that I bought that with birthday money still at my age still at my age there's some birthday money which is just nuts really absolutely I uh everybody loves a bit of birthday money it was burning a hole in my pocket for ages but um is it turned out it was burning a smokeless hole in my pocket um and listeners will have seen uh uh my imported from Japan purchase this week your bloody hell bloody hell purchases did they cost nothing oh speaking of nothing obviously it was birthday money which meant it cost nothing cost nothing for that five nothing you say and there therein lies the secret because that cost you nothing cost me cost me nothing you know and actually if it had been a little bit more than than the uh the birthday money it would have still cost nothing because most of it was birthday money so the rest of it would have been nothing but actually you know surely if the higher percentage so it so if birthday money pays like 75% of it and then you just have to put in a little bit extra it's nothing it's nothing absolutely nothing so yeah that we stand by it we stand by it camping economics works it costs nothing it costs nothing yours um yours did yours cost nothing he asks no no that cost quite a bit to be honest you can't import anything from Japan for no but but okay what swung it was your uh uh list of if you you know from the episode a few weeks back about if you know what you know now what would you buy and you went enamel plates yeah and I was like that in the back of my mind went oh them snow peak enamel plates that I've seen once that that Amazon Japan won't send uh because shipping for one plate was like 110 quid jesus that's not nothing that's not nothing no but then I found some other site that went oh yeah no we'll we'll do 35 pound shipping for like a whole lot so wow um and they were cheaper than what Amazon Japan were so I was like hey good so going back to the nothing argument because it's considerably cheaper than another even though it's not nothing actually because it's considerably cheaper and the and the shipping is 70 quid cheaper which then means actually you're kind of getting it for nothing yeah there's there's also yes I mean it's still hurting is uh how much you paid for them but trying to make trying to make you feel better. Trying to make you feel better yeah thank you thank you so the the other thing which I realised that I'm also using as an excuse now is I bought them six weeks ago so it's like in another month which also means it costs nothing that that is is a genius thing so if it came out of last month's pay and you've survived and things are alright this I mean it it took them six weeks to arrive so you know what that is nothing that is nothing that's that's in the past so and the past doesn't matter the past doesn't matter it's um it just matters if you're showing up with nice shiny stuff and you know what Tim we do a podcast we just can't go around in raggedy tents can we no we can't we can't you know it's um we can't we can't do that we people expect every time that we camp that there's something new that we can go oh with this is the new thing it's um and you know what we can't do we go we can't do nothing it's a different nothing altogether is that one now don't not to be confused with costing nothing what we call in this episode nothing maybe we should call it not nothing oh god I feel I'm I'm that shattered I feel a bit drunk and uh I've only had a cup of tea well why don't we go for a minute mindfulness uh play you some sounds of the outside so if you're packing away your tents uh for the season and things maybe this will go up you know what there's gonna be an Indian summer let's have one more hurrah let's get out there welcome to the casual camping minute mindfulness let the sounds of nature take you back to the camping field fantastic fantastic so yeah if you are if you have camp um packed that stuff away or you're you're packing it away stop stop now because you know you want one more trip you know you want to go one more and if you're gonna do one more do two more and if you're gonna do two more you may as well just buy a hot tent because you know relative to staying in a hotel in a couple of months' time because you want to get away well a hot tent's nothing hot tent's nothing and you know where you can buy those nothing hot tents where Facebook marketplace oh they're nothing you know they're giving them away just about we are sponsored by the Chancellor of the Exchequer for trying to get people spending uh we should we should have a sort of maybe a a counselling reference if if if you need to talk to somebody about yeah if you've got a camping addiction you're in the right place welcome friends oh dear um funny yes so so yeah I th I think we've put that to bed and I think that's an excellent rebuttal and whoever the mystery interviewee that didn't want to give his name or or be on camera and they'd altered his voice yeah um that was funny that was so funny he's a funny guy isn't he he's a he's a funny guy he's a funny guy we still haven't actually been camping with him yet and we do need to get camping with him it's um yeah he is a funny guy it's um yeah that well there's Camp Wild coming up I think at the end of this but you're away and I I'm not sure he wants me without the oh get away Ed get away Ed you are so the favourite you are so the favourite so it was obviously a surprise on the last camping trip that you were coming and the delight on on uh on people's faces is uh you are you are you are the favourite i i i understand i understand it's um it's only because i'm a little bit simple oh look at him in his in his natural habitat look at it just like shining his pots and pans thinking he's better is it like people that go to the zoo to see the the red pandas like them them otters that you can hold the hand with the holes in the flu have you seen them like otter viewing things and they've got like little uh holes for otter hands to come through so you can hold a an otter hand that's me that's me in the in the camping fields yeah give him get put a blowtorch in his otter hand there you go stick him in front of the fire there you go aid you know give him a couple of cans to play with warm cans warm cans we want to see the otter get drunk 12 minutes before everyone else I wonder what a leary otter would be because to look so nice all the time don't they yeah I can't imagine there's like an angry otter anywhere they can't be no they've got to be happy drunk something yeah well I think I think um yeah I I think we've succeeded so uh you know take that thought people I've been Aid I've been Tim and uh catch you on the next one we will we will and uh and by the next one you need to have bought something for nothing
