Welcome to a captivating episode where civil engineering meets the thrill of boat-building. Our special guest, Brian Little, differs from your average skiff builder. Beginning his journey as a civil engineer, Brian has seamlessly blended structural precision with passion, creating the esteemed Sabine Skiffs. Dive into the intriguing narrative of a man who once battled the nerves of public speaking and now stands at the helm of a revered boat manufacturer.
Discover Brian's tales of innovation, such as crafting a poling skiff out of plywood and polyester resin. Hear about his audacious adventure of navigating an aluminum jet boat down the Colorado River and his whimsical act of delivering Texas goodies from the sky to friends fishing in Port O'Connor. Every story echoes Brian's dedication to his craft and the undying spirit of adventure.
Sabine Skiffs, the fruit of Brian's labor, are more than just boats; they're a testament to his commitment to excellence. Recognized in the boating community for their unmatched craftsmanship, performance, and elegance, these shallow-water boats are a dream for any angler. Crafted with meticulous attention to detail, they glide effortlessly over various waters, epitomizing stability and style. With their modern design and efficient functionality, Sabine Skiffs are indeed a gold standard in the world of boat enthusiasts.
Join us in this immersive episode as we unravel the life of Brian Little, a master craftsman with an indomitable spirit, and delve into the legacy of Sabine Skiffs. This is a journey of inspiration, innovation, and passion in the heart of Texas.
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Welcome to a captivating episode where civil engineering meets the thrill of boat-building. Our special guest, Brian Little, differs from your average skiff builder. Beginning his journey as a civil engineer, Brian has seamlessly blended structural precision with passion, creating the esteemed Sabine Skiffs. Dive into the intriguing narrative of a man who once battled the nerves of public speaking and now stands at the helm of a revered boat manufacturer.
Discover Brian's tales of innovation, such as crafting a poling skiff out of plywood and polyester resin. Hear about his audacious adventure of navigating an aluminum jet boat down the Colorado River and his whimsical act of delivering Texas goodies from the sky to friends fishing in Port O'Connor. Every story echoes Brian's dedication to his craft and the undying spirit of adventure.
Sabine Skiffs, the fruit of Brian's labor, are more than just boats; they're a testament to his commitment to excellence. Recognized in the boating community for their unmatched craftsmanship, performance, and elegance, these shallow-water boats are a dream for any angler. Crafted with meticulous attention to detail, they glide effortlessly over various waters, epitomizing stability and style. With their modern design and efficient functionality, Sabine Skiffs are indeed a gold standard in the world of boat enthusiasts.
Join us in this immersive episode as we unravel the life of Brian Little, a master craftsman with an indomitable spirit, and delve into the legacy of Sabine Skiffs. This is a journey of inspiration, innovation, and passion in the heart of Texas.
Find Josh on Instagram or Twitter.
Presented by:
Spoke Hollow Outdoors - find them on Instagram or Facebook.
For more great BunkHaus content, check out:
BunkHausPodcast.com | Youtube | Instagram
So we took an airplane. We left out of port right there by the shop. We left out the airport. I got a Yeti panga like a 65, whatever I don't forget their sizes.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I.
Speaker 1:Had a case of Lone Star beer, had a turtle box. I had zoom-o Boudin, zoom-o sausage from Beaumont. Yeah, I bought them water burger like all Texas stuff we dropped down to about 90 foot and about 90, 90 to 80 knots.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I opened the door and pushed this Yeti back out Right on top of them and it hits. It hits the bay, but it hits the bay. It bounces four times and it didn't explode. So I'm thinking it landed good. Yeah, and we circle and we circle and we see the skiffs, you know, converge around this. Yeah, and we go land for Lovacca and we jump in the courtesy car for the airport and we go have dinner with them.
Speaker 2:Welcome to the bunkhouse podcast Broadcasting from the confluence of outdoor recreation and nature connectivity. I'm your host, josh Crumpton, founder of Spokalo Outdoors and the Los Ova hay food truck. My life as a rancher, guide, foodie and conservationist has provided the opportunity to meet some really great people and the bunkhouse is where we get to introduce them to you. Episode number nine. In this episode, my pal Brian little from Sabine skiffs joins me. It was awesome to share a glass of whiskey and wrap with this guy, my amigo, my homie, the Brian little.
Speaker 2:If you don't know about Sabine boats, you better ask somebody because they are legit. I roll the Sabine. They're badass boats. I love it. It's a river skiff but it easily handles the salt. You've probably seen it in the Spokalo feed. We call it the showboat and she is super, duper blue. We get into some of Ryan's adventures, including dropping yeti pangas with supplies to boats out in the Gulf, the wildest places he's navigated to Sabine Boating rivers, and how he made a concrete canoe. That's right. I said concrete canoe. I didn't realize it either. You can make concrete float. All that and of course we're gonna get that story of how Sabine skiffs came to be, as per the usual. Let's get this thing started, ryan. It's good to have you out, man. Yes, sir, thanks for having me, it's been like a couple years, couple years.
Speaker 1:You were gracious enough to invite Kaler Fisher and I To the caboose. Oh yeah, and Fisher was I don't think she was a year old. She turned three this year. So you had us out, put us on some birds Practice birds for Fisher and we were grateful for that. She's become a Heck of a hunter for me, so she's great dog.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you had that pretty gun with you. I did that gun that you should it was.
Speaker 1:That one was a parker reproduction, oh nice, and I want to get into that in a podcast because my love for side-by-sides grew Through people I've met through this. You know building skiffs and bowman propellers. Cory bowman turned me into um, turned me on to antique shotguns turned you into a fanatic shotgun.
Speaker 2:I might a big chucker hunt, yet I have, yet I have yet to.
Speaker 1:I would love to go go with y'all. That'd be fun. We should do that. You know what I?
Speaker 2:have something for you?
Speaker 1:Hold on, just, there's a couple of the Spokalo caboose stickers for you, since you stayed at the caboose a lot of my people, a lot of my fans don't know about the caboose, so there's some history with that. I would love to hear the story of the caboose yeah yeah.
Speaker 2:So the caboose, yeah, we don't. That doesn't get out there very often because that's kind of a friends and family Hangout spot. Sometimes we do an auction or a giveaway here and there where we let people stay at it. But the caboose is a Missouri Pacific Rail car that my father-in-law brought out. He brought three Three semis is what it took to get it on the ranch one of them to hold the caboose, one of them to hold the the rail tracks and Another one with a crane to put them in place. And they brought that thing out here. They had to cross the whole ranch because they couldn't make the turn off the road. I always tell people like, hey, you can come stay in the caboose, and I've been told that I undersell it because people get there.
Speaker 1:This is cool. This is actually yeah. So, before Sabine skiffs, I build rail terminals for a major oil and gas company. Okay, so Building, you know, rail terminals, rail lines yeah, and then being able to stay at the caboose Was that tight, it was cool. Yeah, I did all in to my life. Yeah, so it meant more. It meant a lot to me not just to hang out with you.
Speaker 1:Yeah on your place, but the caboose my previous jobs. It's fun, it's. It meant a lot to me to be able to sleep in that you know and hang out with Kailer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, I hope you come back this this fall and hang out with us again yeah, you should. You should come, we should up on on and you guys should come and stay a couple nights at the caboose. I would love that you so you mentioned that you Were working on rail terminals. You're you're an engineer, right?
Speaker 1:Is that civil engineer by trade? Yeah, growing up, yo, as a kid, you, you think about what you want to be when you grow up. Never in my life did I say I wanted to be a civil engineer. It just, you know, I thought I wanted to build houses. I thought I wanted to ranch, you know, you know what? I was not the type of person that just had his life mapped out, and neither one of my parents with the college, they've helped my older three brothers through, through college and to get the opportunity I had when I did a lot of my peers in high school we're going to be engineers. I hung out with some nerdy, smart, athletic guys, yeah, and they all wanted to be engineers. So I wanted to be like them, thought I wanted to go electrical engineer because my older two brothers were doing electrical stuff. And then when I got into the academics of electrical engineering, I didn't get it. I couldn't see electricity, but it morphed into civil engineering. I, it's almost the same mathematics.
Speaker 2:Yes, so what is? What is civil engineering specifically so?
Speaker 1:a lot of civil engineering more. Or to describe it is roads, sewer, drainage, structure, things like that. Okay, and a lot of the math is similar to electrical engineering flows of electricity and you know currents and things like that but in civil engineering it's more water, you know. So I could see that, I could. Yeah, I just my mind grasped it and understood it better. So, about my junior year of college not gonna say how many years it took to get to my junior year, that's okay, we won't get into mine either.
Speaker 1:And yeah, so I fell into civil engineering and Landed on a civil engineer small civil engineering firm. I think it was like six of us. The one thing that kept me in that area was the hunting and fishing.
Speaker 2:That's what I was about it wasn't.
Speaker 1:it wasn't just the money, it wasn't just the jobs.
Speaker 1:So this is Port Arthur, this is Port Arthur Texas you at this point in time, 21, 22, okay, and then into hunting and fishing already, oh yeah, grew up, grew up on a ranch with my father managed a ranch for a guy. So we grew up running cattle on this place. We hunted. The landowner gave us a certain amount of property on the place for us to hunt Because he knew if he didn't give us that place would probably hunt the whole thing. But uh, but he was generous generous enough to say this. You know 40, 50, 70 acres of this place is y'all's to hunt and do whatever. That's cool.
Speaker 1:So as a kid I rode my bike during deer season With a rifle over my shoulder. My dad gave me free range just as long as my studies were there. I had a rod and reel, a rifle and a bike or a ranch truck or one of our personal vehicles to just go. That's cool. And I would come home, get my studies done or not, as a kid, you know. And a lot of times I would grab a rifle during deer season, go to our little piece where we could hunt. But I always had my fishing pole and I would hunt a little bit. I had buck fever one year where I hunted real hard, but a majority of the time I fished.
Speaker 2:Ducks.
Speaker 1:A lot of ducks. Our type of duck hunting back then was not decoys and setting them out.
Speaker 2:You just jumping them.
Speaker 1:We were jump on. We would set in the evenings and wait for them to come in. But when I got in college in Southeast Texas and met so many people who were in a duck hunting and they're talking about the type of ducks they're shooting and we my brother would shoot mallards with his bow Like we had that many ducks. Holy cow. That's great what I know now about duck hunting. If I knew that when I was 10, 12 to 15 years old I was in a duck hunting mecca, I could have shot so many mallards. Wood ducks were easy because we had they had swamp land in this place with you know, pinnokes, live oaks and the wood ducks were by the hundreds.
Speaker 1:And then you had gadwall pentail and and and and then mallards, though. Yeah, and my brother, we were shooting mallards with a bow and not knowing what we had. It was that, you know. But that's in the 80s, you know early 80s, mid 80s, and if I was the hunter then that I am now, I would be a different hunter.
Speaker 2:It's interesting. I was growing up in Telluride. I I rock climbed, kayak steed. I didn't hunt at all during that time period and looking back on it, there's birds, there's grouse, there's elk man. I wish it's funny looking back on your childhood the places you're at, you don't realize how good we had it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, and we just. But I wasn't into duck hunting then, neither was my father or my brother, you know. So that's why we didn't take advantage of what we had. We had white tail deer out the wazoo, you know hogs were, you know, in the 80s and early 90s the wild hogs were just getting going.
Speaker 2:What you guys could have saved America from the wild hogs. You could.
Speaker 1:Just it's, it's funny that I'm old enough to know what Texas was like before wild hogs, which is kind of a weird, which now wild hogs are everywhere. Yeah, nice, do you have?
Speaker 2:any quail out there? No quail, no quail.
Speaker 1:We didn't, we, we didn't really dove hunt till the late nineties, mid to late nineties. Okay, where we I mean we set aside weekends to dove hunt.
Speaker 2:So let's talk about fishing. Let's circle back on that. So you're in Port Arthur, you're working as a civil engineer, you're fishing. I'm assuming you're getting to some saltwater action.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So you know, growing up bass fishing, I always took my bass rod, I mean in my dorms, my. I only had one, but my rod was in my dorm year round. I never one roll.
Speaker 1:No, it was baitcaster, baitcaster. A baitcaster Went into baitcasting about a year, 13 or 14 of my life. Seeing all the TV shows I figured I'd put the spinning rod away. You know you. You start with the Zepco, zepco 303 classics. You know you move up. My brother gave me a spinning rod when he was in college, at TSTI, which is now, I think, tstc, texas state technical college. Now I don't know if it's still around, but he gave me a spinning rod. I had like a four and a half foot crappie rod.
Speaker 2:You know with a spinning.
Speaker 1:You know something you get from Walmart because you didn't have Cabela's Bass Pro Wasn't even around. Yeah, I didn't exist. I graduated to the baitcaster because that's what all the professionals were using, so I figured I needed to do that. I wanted to get in a fly fishing about. You know, mid to late nineties, when I was in a high school Yep, a lot of my bass fishing friends were. We were all wanting to get in a fly fishing but it was that when that movie came out. I did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, the river runs through it, you said it, I wasn't going to say it.
Speaker 1:You know it is what it is. Yeah, I'll say it. Well, yeah, I just I wanted to fly fish for bass, yeah, and for me to get a fly rod. You know, even then, a cheap fly rod was hundreds of dollars.
Speaker 2:Yeah, there wasn't the entry rods.
Speaker 1:So you know, I didn't get in a fly fish until after college, when I could really afford.
Speaker 2:That's when you bought your rod. Do you remember when you got your first rod?
Speaker 1:So the first rod I got was gifted to me by a friend. I just graduated college. Some of my high school buddies went to A&M and we all graduated college around the same time we went to South Padre, and today one of those gentlemen on that is a business partner of mine.
Speaker 2:Oh cool.
Speaker 1:And his high school buddy gifted me that first fly rod. Yeah, I mean, it was just a Norvis two piece, nice, you know, graphite with a little bit of fiberglass. It was slow, yeah, and that took me about a year or two to use it, which then I gifted it. Gifted that rod to someone Was this a bass rod.
Speaker 2:No, it was a weight, so okay, salt water, so you were using it on salt. Yeah, so you started fly fishing on salt, correct, okay, yeah, that's cool, so fast forward to college.
Speaker 1:My parents said you cannot have a boat, because they knew if I had a boat during college I would just be fishing. I just worked and fished, okay, and I fished, probably two to three nights.
Speaker 2:Were you getting on boats at this point? No.
Speaker 1:No, at that point I had a few buddies that I met through running track and through college studies that. So you were running track in college. Yes sir, I got a track scholarship. Okay, that's what kind of took me to Lamar so and that's a good story. But we can get into that later.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's another.
Speaker 1:But yeah, in the summer times I just fished, I mean I would show up to work, I mean like I had sand wise because I stayed up till two or three o'clock fishing lighted peers and Sabine Pass yeah, that's cool. Oh, so in Sabine Pass, sabine Pass, there was a pleasure peer. Pleasure Island is Island. It pretty much runs north and south and Sabine Lake still there today. It means to huge Island.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and there was a public peer and I swear some of my friends that I met through church and other things that so after so you graduate college, you get your first fly rod as a gift from friends, and but you don't have a boat yet, right? At that time I think I did you got a pretty close to getting my first time frame Same.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean it was in the months.
Speaker 2:What was your first?
Speaker 1:boat. So I wanted a Maverick and wanted a redfish. Okay, so I priced out. A Maverick at the time was HPXT Couldn't afford it, so I decided to build my own in my senior year Wait a minute.
Speaker 2:So you built your own boat, your first boat.
Speaker 1:I was building my first boat, okay, but while I'm building it, I bought this my first boat, okay. So it's it's about the same time. That's pretty cool. And the cool part of Lamar is Lamar University. My senior year, I was voted president of American society of civil engineers Okay, and I got into it sounds like a big deal. Yeah, I mean not really, but it depends who you are. American society. So this is national, it's a national organization, okay.
Speaker 2:And you were president in your area.
Speaker 1:So my solve my junior year I was vice president. Okay, senior year they voted me I don't know why president, whatever, but I got in. When I got in the civil engineering there was a concrete canoe competition, which is a nationwide civil engineering competition against all the high end civil engineering.
Speaker 2:What is a concrete canoe?
Speaker 1:So this is pretty much what started my drive to build the boats. Okay, the American society of civil engineers concrete canoe competition, and it's a nationwide competition. They even bring in schools from Mexico.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's international yeah, pretty much international competition, and all the universities that are.
Speaker 1:I mean, if you're a civil engineering university, you can compete in this. So we're competing against Clemson. Clemson always had a fast canoe and fast rowers.
Speaker 2:These canoes are not built out of concrete. Oh yeah, they are what? And that's the cool part.
Speaker 1:Wow. So you get this set of rules from mixed designs. You can only do so much in it. Then you have to do a display, you have to write a paper and you have to give a presentation. So it's it's training these engineering us engineering students to be engineers in the field when we graduate. Yeah, they give you a scope of work pretty much. Yeah, okay, and you have to follow their guidelines. So I just fell into this problem. I fell into this project. I just loved it because I get to build boats and my senior year being the president in my drive for it. I took that on as my senior project and I was the person in our group that managed our mixed designs the design, the actual shape of the canoe we adopted it from the year before. It was a good shape, it was fast. So I didn't design the actual structure, you know, or the shape of the canoe. Yeah, but I wanted to make the lightest boat that Lamar has ever made.
Speaker 2:The lightest boat out of concrete. You're going to have to fill me out of this from since.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so in the scope of work, you know there's different ways you can do this lightweight. It's almost like a laminate schedule, but they give you these rules and the lightweight comes from the aggregate. So you can use glass spheres, which is they're using sand or rock, use a microscopic hollow glass sphere. That it's. I mean, it's lighter than sand or whatever. Okay, and then there's different additives that we used. You had different water ratios that you wanted to use, so I would. I lived on campus at the time in an apartment, and I found myself in the lab I would have nine, 10, 11 o'clock at night making cylinders, test cylinders. I would go to text dot and break on myself because our machine in our lab was so strong it wouldn't break this lightweight cylinder but the actual concrete itself would float. So when we would cure them, we would cure them in a water bath and we had to set weights on them.
Speaker 2:So you're curing cylinders, Cylinders, because I'm trying to get you know pounds per square inch cylinder.
Speaker 1:Okay, just the same way. I mean, if you poured a concrete slab for a road house, you have to have so many cylinders per cubic yard to test break. You know, and when we built rail, you know rail facilities, whatever for these oil and gas, we broke them at seven days, 28 or seven, someone in 14 days, but at least seven and 28 times. So this is like you let it set, so you have a standard.
Speaker 1:you know, civil engineering society sets these standards for concrete breaks, okay, and you always break them at seven days and 28 days, okay. So you break and as you test all these and of course, I've had feedback from other. You know, years past I had their mixed designs. So I'm feeding off that data and I'm critiquing it to get this lightest, strongest per. You know square inch break that I can Do.
Speaker 2:They have notes like do this and we can beat Clemson.
Speaker 1:That, I mean the whole goal, the whole goal at Clemson and natural nationals and in the, you know, the late nineties, early 2000s, they were building 75 to 80 pound canoes that are 15 foot long. Wow, and previous to me or previous to 2002, Lamar's group I don't want to say it's all me, because I had you know, we had a team right, but me being the guy that was in the lab making these mixed designs.
Speaker 1:Our canoe is, I don't remember it was like 95, 98, 205 pound, but it was still 15 foot long, Wow, this was so today, even a fiberglass or a plastic, you know, you know, rotomoded canoe weighs more than our concrete.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so was this the first boat? This is the boat you were building when you bought your boat, or you?
Speaker 1:know this is. This is in college. This is way before my first fishing boat.
Speaker 2:This is all fun and this is yeah for this competition. Hold on. I want to hear about how the competition turned out. So you're working on this concrete canoe which just sounds like an oxymoron altogether, like how'd you guys do? How did it turn out? So?
Speaker 1:that's the cool part is lightest canoe Lamar ever built. We took it to competition. We what's cool about not just building it, you race it against. I mean, you actually paddle it against other schools? So we gave the presentation. I'm at the time not really a good public speaker probably not these days. I don't get as nervous these days. I could stand up in front of anybody right now. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:But back then I'm bashful, brian, and the night before, in the hotel room, and I'm just, I'm clamming up, I just I can't get this presentation down and I remember one of my best friends, who was vice president, who was my study partner through college, and he's like Brian, what are you nervous about? You know this better than anybody here. Stand up and stand up and tell us your story. Yeah, that's all you gotta do. The next day knocked it out of the park, nice. I mean, just when I started talking, the room just lit up. I could see people from not even Lamar, not my parents, not my peers light up when I started talking about it. Yeah, so I think they could feel the passion, yeah, and I get a little emotional through this.
Speaker 1:Sorry, but um, but that was one of the guys. He just pushed me through it, yeah, and the presentation went good. I was first in presentation, oh, awesome. And uh, you know, we had a paper we had to write one of. I mean, I didn't write it because I'm not good at that, so somebody else wrote the paper, yeah, I you know we fed on the information. They were part of the team, you know, and we got first on the paper. What, oh man?
Speaker 2:Everything's going good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's stacking up and, uh, we had a display that we had a few tweaks in it. And then we go to races. We won every race, but like one.
Speaker 2:What.
Speaker 1:And me and Jason, who's my study partner we were the speed guys we could paddle. Yeah, I mean anyway. So we won all that. We go to final. Um, you had to show it. You know your final presentation, or of the whole canoe.
Speaker 2:I'm on the edge of my seat right now. I'm not raising. This is so I'm looking for a good outcome here.
Speaker 1:It rained on us and it filled up our canoe, which, when you fill up a boat, it's not good. Right, things flex yeah.
Speaker 2:So this is presentation, final presentation final presentation right before the races.
Speaker 1:We show up that morning to the races and our canoe we didn't know it when we traded it and it's we traded it like 30 miles or 20 miles to the lakes with like eight foot eight inches of water in it. It's flexing and concrete flexing is not good, so it had some cracks in it.
Speaker 2:It was in that water.
Speaker 1:We got second place to A&M. Are you Aggies out there? Oh no, Whatever y'all say, we got second by like four or five points out of you know two or 300 points. Anyway, long story short, it was the lightest canoe that Lamar built to date or to that date, I don't know if they built one lighter since then. But yeah, we ended up getting second place to A&M. So, man, yeah, it was.
Speaker 2:It was a good showing that was the first boat you ever built. That was the first one I'm talking.
Speaker 1:When we went to build it. I mean, we had a way we were laying down the concrete. I had Laminate schedules of you know, the structural fabric we were using. Okay, I was studying carbon back then. I was calling vendors all over the ua every week. I would just get on the phone and my my professor gave me a key to his office and I would just get on the phone.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're the kind of guy who dives into things I mean I have known you. I know that you're the type of guy who gets hyper focused. What?
Speaker 1:was cool, is my. The dean of civil engineering saw that and and he, you know he's in charge of all the scholarship money. Yeah in my senior year he's like gave me a scholarship which was just hundreds of dollars, but for me that was food money.
Speaker 1:Yeah to get paid. Dive into this and he's like Brian, that's your senior project. I'm gonna give you this scholarship you don't even know about to help pay for your time. And I don't know it was good to Be paid for fruits of my labor. To you know, because I was representing the university and that canoe went on display and you know not to you know, to win or not to win was heartbreaking, yeah, but it was a life lesson and Confidence builder to.
Speaker 2:It sounds like you gained confidence.
Speaker 1:You're, you're developing a team, you have a team underneath you.
Speaker 2:So you graduate, you got a fly rod. You know you want to boat. You've already built a canoe, so you're building a boat. The two questions one and you bought a boat because you were pretty much just chomping to get out on, yeah, I needed.
Speaker 1:I needed a fish.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I did you build on. What did you wind up?
Speaker 1:buying. So it was a try-hole Bassboat, okay, 15 foot long, that a friend of mine I met a church sold me. They put a brand new 50 horse Johnson on it.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:They sold it to me for the price of the motor.
Speaker 2:Nice. Do you remember how much?
Speaker 1:$3,500. That's great, and I'm selling 80 to $100,000 boats right now yeah, we're getting there, yeah, we're gonna get so. You know this is.
Speaker 2:Texas scooter title. It was flat.
Speaker 1:It was not a, it was a flat deck. Really it was to get me to point a, to point B. It was a tunnel hole run shallow as I could. I Fished that boat for three years.
Speaker 2:What kind of engine would you have on that?
Speaker 1:That one, I got a 30 horse Honda.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 1:I wanted a short shaft, the lightest, 30 horse, and at the time Honda built the lightest.
Speaker 2:Is this a fiberglass hole? Is this?
Speaker 1:this one was. It was epoxy built fiberglass and I actually put some Kevlar in it. Okay and handle the hits yeah, they take.
Speaker 2:So you've got, you've built your boat. Where do you go from here? So you're, you're working as a civil engineer, you're building trained terminals.
Speaker 1:Yeah, at the time I was building I was more Drainage studies.
Speaker 2:Okay, you know sewer sanitary waterline fishing as much as you can all the time, three or four days you real had you built another boat or two before you realized. Man, this is what I want to do.
Speaker 1:So in my V my first scooter was a V shaped, you know bow. Still had whole slap. Didn't really know anything about pulling a boat.
Speaker 2:For people who don't know what's whole slap whole slap you get from.
Speaker 1:The easiest way to describe it is a square nose boat. It's the waves. When they hit a boat it makes a clapping noise. Yeah, not only it Can you hear it, fish can hear it. It starts a pressure wave in front of the boat and it spooks fish. So my first boat After becoming a fly fisherman, I learned I built a boat that's not conducive to fly fishing. Even though I put a pole and platform on it, it pulled like an inner to.
Speaker 2:So you built this to be to fly fish off.
Speaker 1:No, the first boat was to get me to point a, to be you put a bullet and I put a pulling platform on it because it was already built.
Speaker 1:Put a pulling platform on it. Me and a few friends fly fished off of it. I quickly learned and I had the materials. If I'd have built that boat three to four foot longer, it would have been a better Link. The width ratio to track better. Yeah, what it's still at whole slap, unless I did some things to the bow to Stop that. But Over time I learned what it took to make a no-hole slap boat and I Went into production. You know I thought I was in 25 years old, pulled out some money. How I got it that's another story.
Speaker 2:But so did you leave engineering for a little bit to do this. No, you see we're still working as an engineer. Right, you're building this boat. Things get, so I bet my wife.
Speaker 1:She's helping me build this warehouse, redoing floors. We did the office, all this sweat equity into this building. I already had for the first boat. I had to trailer a lot of the motor rigging stuff like that and Kailer and I built our first Poland skiff.
Speaker 2:What did you build this at home?
Speaker 1:So I went from high-end composites I mean the first boat. I mean I literally touched the whole the deck. I mean this boat weighed 550. It was 17 foot long. Yeah, I mean vacuum infused. This is. This was East Cape was just getting going. I probably would have been top three, top four boat builder in the US at the first skiffs.
Speaker 1:Yeah as far as lightweight and stuff, and Because of money and everything else and I know what a whole slap boat can do I bought Marine grade plywood. We used polyester resin which is not good to work in, you know, breathing it and Kailer and I built a couple days when I needed to do big laminates. I'd bring some friends in, yeah, but for the most part Kailer and I built the first Poland skiff out of Akuma plywood, polyester resin and fiberglass. And there was a few boat builders out there that had wooden boats. So design, you know I only need to use quarter inch and half inch bulkheads and a half inch, three quarter inch bottom and I took their design and dumped it down to see how light I could build this boat through.
Speaker 2:I mean just three eighths plywood, so you got a lightweight day, A light I built this 18 foot plywood boat.
Speaker 1:I never waited, but I've painted that boat three times because I was hard on it.
Speaker 2:You still have it.
Speaker 1:No, I cut it up with a chainsaw. You did, we fished it about four to five years.
Speaker 2:Tell me that story, come on.
Speaker 1:We fished it four to five years of fish tournaments in it. I mean high end red fish cup tournaments in that boat.
Speaker 2:So 25 to 30, 25, 25 to 30. You fished it for five years, from about 25 to 30 years old.
Speaker 1:Yes, so yeah, okay, and um, so yeah, I'm late twenties. Kailor and I are married and fished that boat. I was about to build another one and I was like I need to learn from it. I don't see cracks, but I'm wondering is there a crack here, is there a crack there? And I took a chainsaw to it and that was Kailor still remembers. He's like that was hard to watch.
Speaker 2:Oh boy, and this is the first thing you guys ever built together, I'm assuming.
Speaker 1:Oh, I mean I got pictures of us in our first dog, jackson, her first lab that she had in college.
Speaker 2:I mean in the boat. Oh, we need to get some of those pictures and we had.
Speaker 1:You know Sabine was in it, riding in it, or another lab.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, so you had a lab named Sabine which is another story.
Speaker 1:Ultralight boat works was the company Yep, and when, when I was about the end of the wooden boat design, about to build a high end composite boat put to potentially build production molds off of, I formulated an idea that let's name this brand Sabine skiffs, and I didn't. This is like I said. You know what?
Speaker 1:2008, 2007, 17 years ago and um, that boat was titled a Sabine skiff and when we went to pick up our lab that we found on southeast Texascom, you know, free lab. And on the way home Kayla's like, well, we need to name this lab. And we were passing through Beaumont and I said, kayla, what about Sabine? And Sabine skiffs was already you know in my mind, but Kayla's like you know that's a pretty cool name for a dog. So Sabine grew up, since in his past, as we develop Sabine skiffs into the aluminum boats and everything, so she has a yeah, it's a special dog.
Speaker 2:She has a big place in my heart, you know. But um, but yeah, so having a dog named Sabine.
Speaker 1:I'm building Sabine skiff brand from nothing you know, to the industry. It was nothing at the time, so that was kind of cool. When did you build? So you cut this wooden boat up with a chainsaw which is just heartbreaking to somebody.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, but I mean you're.
Speaker 1:you're an engineer, you got to learn. You're an engineer.
Speaker 2:So you're taking this thing.
Speaker 1:I'm always trying to learn from my mistakes or someone else's? Yeah, so you break it all apart?
Speaker 2:Did you build another wooden boat, or is this?
Speaker 1:when you shifted to aluminum, so did you shift to aluminum, so the next boat was, you know, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a a a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a tips To a, a, a little sell someauer at their holidays or a way away from like high to the point of akkor, aer, aer is Prevolution, bowde of impresses. So I told Kara and I said I'm going to make a one off bow that's going to look like a production boat. Okay, so I made one off molds, all this stuff before anyone else on the internet was doing it. While building that boat, another friend of mine had aluminum boat that we fished tournaments in. I just I told him. I said I think I can build an aluminum boat that has no hull slab because the shape has nothing to do with material, didn't?
Speaker 1:it not exist before that point? No one. To this day, I haven't seen a boat that had no hull slab, and I haven't seen an aluminum boat that had no hull slab. Once I put the website up and launched Sabine skiffs, I had a few people email me. Oh no, I had built the first one and I saw pictures of their boat and I'm like no, that boat would have hull slab here. And I argued with these people so fast forward, you know, we built this composite boat and went to other projects and whatever, and moved back to Texas.
Speaker 2:So you decide I'm going to build a no hull slab aluminum skiff and you go to build your first one. Yeah, did it look like the skiffs that we buy today?
Speaker 1:It looked very similar. It did have a variable dead rise bottom. So the boats you have, or you have the boats we build now they're flat bottom. I mean it's one sheet of aluminum on the bottom. The first one was a variable dead rise, so I had a weld all the way down the middle to get the V.
Speaker 2:And a V all the way down the middle of it.
Speaker 1:Which kind of scares you because a weld could fail hitting?
Speaker 2:that much vibration.
Speaker 1:One reason we do a flat bottom boat and some other reasons, but the first one looked and it was in my shop. It's in my shop now actually getting a new motor, is it really?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so you still have. You did not.
Speaker 1:No, a customer Cut that with a torch.
Speaker 2:I sold that one Because you couldn't cut it with a chainsaw.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean Sold that one. Is this the first boat you sold? The first one off boat I did sell, and it's still to the original owner in Savannah Georgia.
Speaker 2:So this is the first out of all these other five the concrete canoe, All these are this the first boat you sold?
Speaker 1:The one off boat I sold. Yeah, okay, all right, which is still with that customer.
Speaker 2:Still fishing it today.
Speaker 1:He's on his thirds of being. He has a carbon on order, so he's bought the first one off. He's a collector. He's bought an aluminum boat. He sold his aluminum boat a few months ago and he has a carbon on order.
Speaker 2:You're building a community as you're going clearly from college to where you are now.
Speaker 1:Some of my college roommates got me jobs, yeah, and they didn't get me jobs because, whatever, it's all because of hard work and determination and your will, yeah.
Speaker 2:You're not just a boat builder, you're a community builder.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And Sabine is a community. Yeah, sabine's gifts is a community. So when's the trigger point? When do you decide? So I'm quitting.
Speaker 1:I don't know what year it was, but it's been at least three or four years ago.
Speaker 2:So this is not that long ago where you really said man, I am Sabine's full time, yeah.
Speaker 1:Kaler. We started a sea deck flooring company, so that's another venture we got into. That was a really good for Texas and we were the first sea deck rep in Texas ever Kaler was.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So she had that up and going and she's pulling an income. It was to this day. She never wanted me to leave oil and gas. I had a super good check, I had everything you know 401k, I had long term incentives, bonuses, things like that. That's hard to walk away from, sure, but what I told her is you know we don't, we we'd never had children. So you know we don't live, we don't need a lot to live on. Right, I mean, at the time we saved, we save a lot. We put a lot of investments.
Speaker 2:You're, you are, no, you're no stranger to sacrifice.
Speaker 1:Right, you know all the talking we've done.
Speaker 2:you were willing to sacrifice, to do the things you love.
Speaker 1:So to take that leap. I mean, she didn't even want me to do it, but her company was going, the skiff company was there to support me and the company with oil and gas was just right. The cells were there, everything was there and it worked out. But even the first year of me working for Sabine, I worked for her. So I'm building I'm actually a labor for her sea deck company.
Speaker 2:Okay, while managing Sabine, managing my so the sea deck is bigger than Sabine at this point.
Speaker 1:At that point it was.
Speaker 2:How about now?
Speaker 1:I'm a little over. We have a competition every year. I've beat her the past two years, okay, but uh, yeah, she creeps up on me.
Speaker 2:So you're building aluminum skiffs, the rock solid. I own one, I love it. I'm glad. I'm so glad that I that I got one. You know we called you and I talked back and forth many times and it just worked out where one became available and you know I was in the right position and it all, it all worked out. But now You're carbon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you fall back, and now we're building this composite skiff which is out of you know all carbon and you have a lot of people going. Well, why are you gonna stop building aluminum?
Speaker 2:Are you stopping? No?
Speaker 1:But they think because I'm building composite boat that I'm gonna stop doing both. Oh, 100%, why not? Why not? We have such a good Following for aluminum, but my background for 20 years has been composites from even college.
Speaker 2:Talk to me about both these boats so clearly. You believe in both materials aluminum and composite carbon. Who's who's the aluminum boat for? Who's the carbon boat for? What's the difference? How does it all make sense?
Speaker 1:so with With your foam core composites, which is how we're building our aluminum boats. What I learned from Andy, I mean he built some of the lightest cell boats in the 70s. He built Composite race car chassis that weighed hundreds of pounds, lighter than aluminum chassis and stiffer, so he's the one that taught me about the foam core composites and things like that. So the aluminum guys or someone who's looking for a rugged boat Whether it's a river skiff that they're gonna take on sandbars and rock gravel bars and run over whatever, that's me.
Speaker 1:Yeah you're gonna drift down a river and if you have to go down a gravel bar, yeah you don't want to have shellcoat and everything taken off.
Speaker 1:So that's our aluminum customers. And you know, in the Poland or not, river skiff, you know your guys on the flats they like it because of the oysters, they don't tear it up at the dock. Some of our guys are older Gentlemen who have kids and they like to. They don't mind their kids running the aluminum boats versus their high-end Yacht finish carbon boat they might buy. And then you have some guys in Florida that have a lot of limestone and Shell bottoms that rip holes in the composite boats. Yeah, east Coast guys you know that are that are fishing the flood tides or super low tides because they might have a six foot tide variation or eight foot, you know. So they like the aluminum boats because of the ruggedness of it.
Speaker 2:What is the wildest, craziest place? You ever heard of a Sabine skiff going.
Speaker 1:One of them I took it down, okay, was the one of my friends and I thought of this plan to take a Sabine from Austin all the way down to Colorado River, to Madagord, or word empties into Madagord of it. Yeah, and we did it. We knew, because of some dams, that we couldn't get around cuz LCR a, we sank it at Garwood. You suck, you suck it. Yeah, it's north of Garwood like no, well, it's south of Garwood proper, south of the Garwood.
Speaker 2:There's a dam down there. There's a boat eater. Sir, it's a boat eater on low flows.
Speaker 1:On high flows, you can go over it. Okay, this was a low flow time of year and we were. We flipped it back where we Actually. Anyway, I lost the jet motor, so I was running a prop motor, so I've had my jet. I probably could have just ran it down this.
Speaker 2:Just got up on plan and just ran it down the top of it.
Speaker 1:So instead of doing it because we had a prop motor at the time of the trip, we just wanted to walk it, the boat down, so it wasn't. It sounds good, but it was pretty. You know it didn't look good on video, but we walked it down the rear end, the transom, called a rock Bow, swung around Filled up with water. Oh no, we called a few guys, I called the rancher, we pulled it out with a tractor and we were on the water the next day got it back up and running Aluminum boat the motor never went under, the whole boat went under.
Speaker 1:I'd say 80% of the boat went underwater. Oh boy, because it was shallow, yeah, shallow, yeah, run. That was a good selling point. I didn't. I didn't mean it to be a good. I thought I thought the boat was gonna break into. Honestly, when we hooked the tractor and a chains up to it, I thought the boat would come apart, yeah, 100%. I didn't and it didn't when we pulled it up, put on a trailer. In the next morning we put in a Bay City.
Speaker 2:So one of the most Like craziest rides was your ride down the Colorado River. But what about? You were Bordered to buy you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so the the year after that we called it. The first one was capital to coast. Oh, austin to the coast, okay, and uh, uh, very, I'll never forget that trip. So the the following year I just jumped in full time. Me and Kayla were working. We're full time. Ultralight boat works and her L and L services see that company. I formulated this plan let's go boarder to buy you. So I'm talking to friends. And then when the time came, kayla and I both agreed that I can't be gone for a week, like I'm needed to do work. So Owen Gaylor, who's on Sabine, his third Sabine, yes, carbon number two. Alex Hozi, who's had his aluminum Sabine, he bought carbon one, the prototype.
Speaker 2:Wow.
Speaker 1:And then two other guys who are Sabine owners also Went and did this trip without me.
Speaker 2:So I'm sitting, I'm sitting back, I'm like I'm on edge all the time. Are you jealous? Oh, 100%, yeah, man.
Speaker 1:Each boat shared their, you know, an iPhone, you can share your location. Yeah, so I'm following them every day while I'm working my holding gas job, running Sabine, and then I'm texting them when you at How's this going? You know, and this one spot, from rockport to they stayed one night at copen obey. I know when they, when they made that pass or that run, that was going to be like the sketchiest, roughest part. You know, I remember watching Alex's little emblem or whatever. You know his location monitor and he's rounding it to go into copen obey and it sets still for like an hour. And I'm having flashbacks of guardwood.
Speaker 1:Damn, I'm like dude. He sunk his boat Going into copen obey and I'm texting and no answer. And I'm texting, I see, oh, and he's smart move. He's running around the south shoreline, coming in, lining up in all smooth, and all of a sudden Alex's location popped up at the house they were staying at. Oh man, like his iPhone gave up or whatever. So you know I'm having anxiety watching them. But that was a cool trip. When they got to port o'connor they decided because of seven days, it's still not long enough to run the coast. You can run it, but it's like a river trip.
Speaker 1:You're running six hours of the eight hour day, you're staying out late, you're tired because the sun's beating you down and yeah they're um, anyway, it's more than a river trip because that's coastal sun, yeah, salt, yeah it's beating a lot, so they decided to stay two days in port o'connor to actually fish and spend time in there, because a lot of them knew that area and one of my customers who lived in a neighborhood with me was starting to fly his own planes and stuff and I asked him. I said um, what do you think if we drop a package out of a plane To these guys in?
Speaker 2:the ocean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and he goes, I'm in. So we took an airplane. We left out of port right there by the shop. We left out the airport. I got a yeti panga like a 65, whatever, I don't forget their sizes.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:I had a case of lone star beer had a turtle box, I had zoom-o Butan, zoom-o sausage from bowmont which.
Speaker 1:I'm friends now with the zoom-os, which is like a whole circle, because I ate that During college, all this stuff, and I wasn't friends with them. I bought all this stuff, I bought them water burger, like all texas stuff, and I'm dropping this and we circled. I can't ever say it but esprit, esprit, intro, esprit, erio, whatever the Bay is there in front of port o'connor, and we dropped down to about 90 foot and about 90 to 80 knots.
Speaker 2:And.
Speaker 1:I opened the door and pushed this yeti back out Right on top of them, and it hits. It hits the bay, but it hits the bay. It bounces four times and it didn't explode, so I'm thinking it landed good.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we circle and we circle and we see the skiffs, you know, converge around this. Yeah, and we go land port la vaca and we jump in the courtesy car for the airport and we go have dinner with them in port o'connor and the yeti bag zipper Popped open. Oh no, so the turtle box was done. So it was just they didn't blow up the innards game. But I'll shout out to turtle box. They built some awesome.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but 90 shell.
Speaker 1:The shell was good, but speakers and all inside from the king cut well. I say, out of 12 of the lone stars, only about four. We're drinkable because the impact just blew them up inside there the water burgers.
Speaker 2:Water burgers wet, it's wet, but we still have pictures of them like Waterberg, they were so hungry.
Speaker 1:It was late in the day. The zoom-o's are still good because they're yeah.
Speaker 2:I like it, yeah, yeah so that was.
Speaker 1:I mean, how many times Do you ever get to drop a package out of an airplane to your buddies?
Speaker 2:Well, I thought that was unless you work for the cartel.
Speaker 1:Yeah and we were. We circled the bay so many times they were probably catching on thinking we were dropping something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know I'm surprised you guys didn't have the DEA.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we tried to land on the islands but we couldn't get clearance. Through some of my customers I probably could have got clearance from the DEA and everything too. But anyway, but yeah, so we went to have dinner with them and who rod, and then we flew back like a night flight all the way home.
Speaker 2:And then did those guys go on from there. They went all the way to.
Speaker 1:Sabine, yeah, in the last day I drove the first River skiff. They landed at my house. Day six and so at bayou vista they slept in my house and then from my house we all left and went from West galfs and bay to Orange, texas.
Speaker 2:Let's do it again man?
Speaker 1:Yeah, owen and I have talked to do the first two carbons, so we'll get your carbon and we'll do all three, do all three carbons.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't know if my river skip could do that.
Speaker 1:I would do it with the jets and be a little slow, but yeah yeah, prop would be 9060. When we get the first two, our first carbons, that will, we'll do it again.
Speaker 2:I'd be in, I would love to. I would love to go on that trip.
Speaker 1:That's a hell of an event.
Speaker 2:We should do that like in September yeah, will dove hunt and then we'll get on the boats.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like right after South Zone opens?
Speaker 1:Yeah, then we'll till hunt these taxes.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, there you go. We go to Campo Paloma. We'll do our Campo Paloma. At the end of our Campo Paloma Will Roll. That'd be so much fun. Yeah, we could do it Ah.
Speaker 1:Talking about hunting. We haven't really hit on you and our bird passion, but yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:We'll get there this one. This one is. So what's next for Sabine? You guys are, you're there?
Speaker 1:So the carbon boats are they're not said, they're not done. We might do a few different variations of boats but we've kind of found our niche in the market. We're gonna stick with it backlog strong, our customers still strong, base coming in and with the composite part of our company we're gonna grow it to equalize the aluminum. We have one Carbon skiff size out right now. We'll make one to two more variations of it, just like we do our aluminum skiffs.
Speaker 2:They're amazing boats. I'm gonna ask you a couple strange questions. One if you're a cocktail, what kind of cocktail would you be? And it could just be a straight booze, it could be a cocktail, what would you be?
Speaker 1:It depends what time of year. Oh man I very much variation with you.
Speaker 2:Comes to your mind and then we'll go from there. We can throw a season.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna go with right now. It's a genotonic genotonic summertime.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like it like a little effervescent yeah, a little lime. That's your personality, that's that's Makes me happy.
Speaker 1:I'm a lucky go guy with my genotonic.
Speaker 2:I like a good topo and to get a lot of this weekend Access.
Speaker 1:I've been told they hydrate you while they dehydrate.
Speaker 2:Well, if you do the mixture right, you ride in the mall right in the way. You know that's. I listen, I make ranch waters and here's what I do. I use key limes and I throw them in and when my glass and I don't pour them out, each key lime stays in, each little half key lime, when my glass is Too full of key limes that I can't make another drink. That's why, no, it's time to go to bed.
Speaker 1:That's a good ratio, you know like.
Speaker 2:That's a lot of key lines. I can't even make another drink in there anymore. If you could run a Sabine Anywhere in the world, where would you run it anywhere?
Speaker 1:so if I'm ever, if I'm ever able to retire and build my Last two boats, yeah, I'm gonna build a carbon and I'm gonna build a river skiff aluminum rivers give carbon. I'm gonna have it on a trailer, a Hinge trailer. The carbon is gonna be on top, the river skiff is gonna be on the bottom. I will likely have a raft on there too. That I probably won't build, but I would probably leave Texas in August and, and I'm gonna hit Grouse elk, I'm gonna circle. I mean, I'm gonna go up, you know, the Colorado, idaho, montana and then I'm gonna hit woodcock coming down Wintertime in Florida. I'm gonna make a circle. So there's not one, I'm gonna.
Speaker 1:The big I would do that I would make the circle and I would Whatever bird hunting I could do that time of year from elk hunting to tarpon and Then come back to Texas. I know that's a long that's a take that rodeo with you? That would be a.
Speaker 2:I've been dreaming about that hinge trailer, so it's doable.
Speaker 1:I mean, it's man, I'm carbon would be on top there's lighter.
Speaker 2:He meant about that.
Speaker 1:You'd have to undo the bottom one.
Speaker 2:Now mind the bottom one.
Speaker 1:But I think I would have three boats. I'd have the aluminum on the bottom, carbon on top, and then I would have about a 10 like a rolled up yeah yeah, Sabine raft might be coming up.
Speaker 2:Sabine drift. We built a pretty sick.
Speaker 1:We built the 10 foot drift boat for my nephews and the Bronfels and they haven't used it potential because they're a little scared, are some of the rapids, but I Want a Sabine drift.
Speaker 2:Let's talk about that. Let's visit about a Sabine drift 12 to 14 foot river jet. I mean I got. I have a garage in Idaho, northern Idaho, near Coeur d'Alene. That's begging for. Sabine drift to be sitting in it when I get up there in the summer. Brian, this has been badass. I mean, this is the history of Sabine Layed down like. I don't know if you've ever laid it out like that before, but it's here not that much and Hopefully you're staying at the ranch and we can go yeah, we'll go a couple beverages.
Speaker 1:Show me the other side. You show me one side of it, the future of the place, and I've always, I've always enjoyed your company. I mean, who can't, when they hang around you and you drive around this place and the vision for it. So thanks for having us, thanks for letting Fisher and Kaler come and hopefully we can revisit and Show you how Fisher holds a little bit better now. Yeah, it's gonna be awesome.
Speaker 2:I can't wait to see her all grown up as a hunter and let's hunt woodcock this season. Oh, we're gonna yeah.
Speaker 1:I have a good Sabine story set up which we're we're launching a YouTube channel called Sabine stories.
Speaker 2:Yes, we're gonna.
Speaker 1:We're interviewing our clients, talking to them about their day-to-day life. You know what they do for a living, their family life. Yeah, why they bought a Sabine, how they set their Sabine up and then we'll either go fishing or hunting with them. And and Mikey who brought, he bought our first aluminum skiff, sold it bought another one. So he's our first repeat customer. Put me and Fisher on our first woodcock and Owen turned me on to him.
Speaker 2:So I mean it's just client, friend, it's a community you have a community of said I've said it a couple times Sabine is a community, sabine skips is a community and. I you know the thing I've hung out with Owen. I love that guy. I did not get to fish with him this summer and I'm bummed about it. Oh and we got to fix that. We can't go another summer without fishing. Let's go hunt woodcock off the boats.
Speaker 1:No, that's, I've got places, and so when I saw.
Speaker 2:I saw a couple of like Glimmers in your Instagram.
Speaker 1:We scouted a lot last year and they're very.
Speaker 2:I'm so into that idea. I mean, I got setters, setters love woodcock. Let's get you guys back here in the fall and we'll shoot a wildly gourmet. That's right. I just let it slip something. I don't know if it'll be out when this comes out. Maybe not, maybe it will, but there it is. Wildly gourmet is a thing we're working on. Let's do it Cool. Thanks for being here.
Speaker 1:Thanks to us. I appreciate it.