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Dani Parker Season 3 Episode 28

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Giovani and Dani P discuss the whoa's of Fantasy Football and then it's all about Bleach Kill the King.  Is the Soul King beyond comprehension? We'll discuss

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Giovani74

Giovanni.

Danielle

Hi, and I'm your host, Dani.

Giovani74

Hi, Danny.

Danielle

Hey, back at it again.

Giovani74

Oh, yeah, we're back, baby.

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next

Giovani74

Did that not work? Did that not work like I thought it was gonna work? We're back, baby.

Danielle

I'm used to it at this point. I

Giovani74

Okay,

Danielle

completely. Not much.

Giovani74

danny

Danielle

my god.

Giovani74

can't think can't think well i'm not doing good right now and this is really fantasy football wise I hate I hate fantasy football. I hate it.

Danielle

Well, you

Giovani74

Well, i'm pretty much just giving money away now. It's like any effort or any chance of me winning In this one league one of my money leagues

Danielle

a

Giovani74

I

Danielle

anyway?

Giovani74

I finish my thought please? Any Any chance of winning is gone. I don't have any chance of winning now.

Danielle

But

Giovani74

on the eighth game losing streak

Danielle

uh, well, I

Giovani74

Right

Danielle

how do you know that already?

Giovani74

eight games

Danielle

yeah, because I mean, it is So if you aren't looking like a winner by now, I guess, you know, you can throw the towel in.

Giovani74

my entire team Was injured week. I was on the two game winning streak then week three happened.

Danielle

with a like a a plus draft.

Giovani74

I did I did I just said Injuries.

Danielle

That's tough There were there was no good backups available

Giovani74

the, okay, the dumbest, the stupidest thing is running a two quarterback league. So now, right,

Danielle

quarterback League

Giovani74

I mean, yeah, so in this league, I'm a two quarterback team. So, we gotta have two quarterbacks, right? Then you gotta have backups for the quarterbacks. What leaves zero quality quarterbacks on the waiver wire. So, I mean,

Danielle

I've never heard anyone doing two quarterbacks. I thought, you know, you have like multiple wide receivers or running backs or

Giovani74

Yeah,

Danielle

I never heard of like having to start or having to pick up two quarterbacks at the same time.

Giovani74

well, it's been done before and it's a bad idea.

Danielle

Isn't this like, you know, I have like a mini rant about fantasy football when

Giovani74

Why do you have a rant you don't play do you

Danielle

it like on the line of, of gambling, they have

Giovani74

gambling is legal?

Danielle

Is it

Giovani74

Yes. Yes, it is Never had heard of

Danielle

have all this talk about, you know, players and whoever else, um, betting on

Giovani74

oh my god.

Danielle

allowed to gamble and they're

Giovani74

I mean

Danielle

do this

Giovani74

last time I looked I am not a football player

Danielle

okay, but are they allowed to have, are they allowed to be in like fantasy leagues and, and do it that way?

Giovani74

I'm sure they can, yeah.

Danielle

Can't they affect the outcome of the game that way?

Giovani74

For themselves? What do you mean? So, they don't want to score a touchdown because the guy is is going to win this?

Danielle

saying, you

Giovani74

What?

Danielle

I mean, I feel like It's all on the same, you know, with my logic right now might not be the best, but

Giovani74

It's not. It's not. It's not. Okay, I'm going to tank myself. I'll cause my I

Danielle

the same realm of, you know, So you could have taken that 250 and do something much more productive with

Giovani74

could've. That part's true. But,

Danielle

it. away to a losing team

Giovani74

right.

Danielle

a league that you're losing in.

Giovani74

You know, you're just like a Debbie Downer now.

Danielle

sympathy

Giovani74

are. You're like, I mean, it feels like this when everything's going wrong, when everything goes right, you know, I'm making all the right decisions, I'm smart, but now you can spend your money better.

Danielle

You

Giovani74

Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Yeah, of course, because I'm losing. Oh my god. Uh, Danny P, what's, what's going on? What's going on? Why are you dumping on me?

Danielle

so sorry,

Giovani74

I think I've talked about fantasy football way too long.

Danielle

there was quite a bit of losing in this episode

Giovani74

Losing in the episode?

Danielle

poor

Giovani74

Oh, Oh, do you want to kick it off? Because There's some interesting things going on in this episode. So,

Danielle

Yeah

Giovani74

start it off.

Danielle

Yeah season 3 episode 28, correct?

Giovani74

Yes,

Danielle

this one is Kill the King.

Giovani74

Kill the King.

Danielle

So what do you think about that title?

Giovani74

The soul king has a sword in his abdomen already so He's the soul king is dying. But there's some interesting things that happens in there especially at the beginning where the Soul King, is it the Soul King eyes

Danielle

I thought it was the Soul King's eyes.

Giovani74

It's from Yuha's point of view. That's why I was thinking it was probably Yuha.

Danielle

Okay.

Giovani74

You see a young Yuha standing in water, Watching his humanoid father, which is the Soul King. And as he pulls out the lichpin, you can see the swirling begin, from Yuhua's point of view, he's just quietly looking at this happen, and you don't know quite what he's feeling.

Danielle

We got the montage of, of kind of cycling through, like his birth to like present day

Giovani74

Right.

Danielle

It's almost like they both were, maybe sacrificed

Giovani74

This was kind of like a abstract interpretation from Yha's point of view. Because when he pulls out the linchpins, then the worlds are separated. Yha, goes into the cycle of rebirth. But the Soul King loses his limbs. So the story of him losing his limbs isn't told. I think that's just Bleach telling the story and letting us interpret it ourselves. Right, and Yuha,

Danielle

much open to speculation and interpretation. And so, um, yeah, I mean, I saw where he did lose his limb. So, you know, it was just interesting, how they were telling that particular, um, of the story or piece of history.

Giovani74

he takes time to say farewell to the Soul King, the one who can see the future of all things. And it just makes me think, if the Soul King can see a thousand years through multiple possibilities, he had to see where he is now with a sword in his chest. So he had to foresee him dying or him being stabbed

Danielle

Okay.

Giovani74

Rebellion as well as the Soul Reapers and, uh, the Quincy, the trials that the Quincy have went through, he saw that. And the Soul King must have been like, this is better than the other futures. That's the only thing I can think of. Thoughts.

Danielle

We have two essentially competing almighty powers taking place.

Giovani74

They both have the eyes.

Danielle

Right, but Is it okay? Well, that's what I'm saying. So how, how does that work? Because he can see into the future, see this particular moment that's taking place Yuhua can also see into the future to see the particular moment taking place. Are they, Is it

Giovani74

Well, we don't know.

Danielle

from

Giovani74

I don't know if Yuha didn't have the almighty back then.

Danielle

I understand, but I'm saying he has it now,

Giovani74

He has it now. Yes.

Danielle

is making moves based off of what he's Can see now,

Giovani74

We don't know how far Yuha is looking into the future. We do know at the opening that he did see Ichigo on the ground, him standing over Ichigo with Ichigo in defeat. So he did see that whatever's going to happen now, Ichigo was going to lose.

Danielle

Yeah

Giovani74

Next up.

Danielle

Okay. So, so, with discussing, like, the, the flashback montage, we just know that Yuha, like he's presenting himself like he just wants to end the soul kings, as he's calling it, his humiliation.

Giovani74

write

Danielle

we also see that what he is doing is causing this, Earthquake like disturbance in all of the worlds. So everybody's feeling, um,

Giovani74

the soul kings

Danielle

to a degree up there. Yeah,

Giovani74

what I was Uncomfortable about this whole scenario is that the soul king? remains expressionless throughout everything he has No facial expression, he's not wincing, he's not smiling, he's not sad, he's just staring. And there's something about watching the Soul King stare like a puppet or a doll, so passive, is so unsettling to me. Because he is stabbed and he's dying and the only thing I can think of is that he has foresaw everything up until now and he knows there's nothing he can say, do, or anything to, to prevent what's about to happen.

Danielle

that's a possibility. It looks like he's encased in crystal.

Giovani74

Right.

Danielle

And so is. I mean, I guess we know he's alive, but what does that mean in, in terms of like how alive,

Giovani74

soul King is portrayed as an object, like a passive object,

Danielle

right.

Giovani74

There's nothing to him that you can tell that he's even alive. One thing I do know is he's not commanding anybody. He's not telling Osha what to do. This guy is,

Danielle

doesn't seem like it. So that's what I'm like, well, if he, yes, he can see into the future and, know everything but how is he affecting it? is, he is he affecting it and

Giovani74

He's not doing it. He's regulating the soul society.

Danielle

you know, so We see that. And friends as I like to say with, along with, um, Orihime's assistance is on the way up do what Ichibei asked to try to stop Yuha. And, uh, I mean, they got up there a lot quicker than he did. But

Giovani74

As you mentioned before the Sarate's falling apart. Mayuri makes A comment and he said something like I wonder did they remove the keystone? What keystone is he talking about? What what do you think?

Danielle

You know, removing the Keystone, aka kill the Soul King, is, seems like he's the one holding everything together. So you take him away and everything starts to crumble apart.

Giovani74

I didn't know what to think. It's whatever's happening. Mayuri Says something smart Because no one else has said anything smart that I can hold on to I can grasp and I can make sense of

Danielle

Well, you know, and that's another thing, like everybody on the ground right now kind of feels for the last two episodes, like I don't want to say they kind of feel useless, but they kind of feel

Giovani74

they do And clueless.

Danielle

right?

Giovani74

Useless and clueless.

Danielle

They feel like there's, no plan. Everybody's kind of shuffling around. Waiting for um, Kisuke to maybe come up with the plan.

Giovani74

As the viewer, like you and me, we get nothing. We get absolutely zero. If Kiske has a plan, he's not sharing.

Danielle

Right.

Giovani74

And I think that's kind of the problem. That is the problem.

Danielle

Yeah

Giovani74

We're like viewers who are just grasping. We know that the Soul King is dying, but what's the fate of the world?

Danielle

Yeah,

Giovani74

Um, Batsby and other Quincy's, they're looking confused. Even down to Earth, you see Uriu's father, Weyuken, and Captain Isshin taking notice to the Rumblings And we don't know exactly the extent of the information that They that they have, but they know that these tremors are not good.

Danielle

Yeah I don't know but Ichigo finally arrives and Yoha is very much waiting for him

Giovani74

Oh, he foresaw this

Danielle

He was like, well, I know you will come in, so let's, let's go.

Giovani74

I'm thinking Ichigo may not do too well because we know that he did foresee it.

Danielle

Well, I mean, I wouldn't be standing around for a fight that I'm about to lose. So,

Giovani74

true.

Danielle

you know,

Giovani74

Yuha kind of dares each to go to attack him with his sopa toes.'cause he does notice he has dual sopa toes maybe the last he saw his sopa to was broken. Ichigo. He just goes straight at Yuhua and starts attacking.

Danielle

He does. And displaying some, some new powers.

Giovani74

It looked good, like it was very explosive.

Danielle

a few new powers that he was putting out there and he also seemed to be dominating.

Giovani74

Right, he uses Getsuga Tenshou and you know, he said it so quietly. Getsuga Tenshou. It was so calming, but very explosive and very powerful. They tear through Kirinji's pond. Yuhua still not doing too well, but not bothered. You know why? Because he foresaw the end already. How cool is that? If you like bad guys,

Danielle

I know, looking at you always makes me miss Zangetsu. Yeah.

Giovani74

you'll never see Sanketsu

Danielle

I

Giovani74

the same way again.

Danielle

but, um, no, but he's, he does seem to be down and out. It looks like Ichigo is, is about to hit victory. And

Giovani74

he uses his Sun Bogen, which is these, uh, massive reishi arrows and Ichigo avoids it or disrupts it. They both power up and it is dazzling to me. It's so fantastic because Yuhua is in this quincey blue, it's vibrant, and Ichigo is in, I think it's gold, dazzling gold, and the light show of them back and forth, it is so amazing to see, it's a huge display of power, and you feel like Ichigo is doing better than Osho, at this moment.

Danielle

Okay.

Giovani74

You had displayed ability he used. Earlier, in uh, season one the qual Christ ichigo blocks that, no problem. Yuha now knows that Ichigo was training with uh, and I'm gonna try to get this word right, Arazu Sando, which is that, path, to test, you know, for potential soul king power. He knows that Ichigo was training, and he also now has the memories and the visions. Of the time before and I think that's the soul king's memories

Danielle

Well, whatever he's gonna do we already we're already clued in that chances are high he's gonna succeed

Giovani74

he is he has not opened his eyes yet. Which is, which means he has not opened his almighty.

Danielle

He hasn't used his almighty power. So,

Giovani74

And then,

Danielle

tables are about to turn.

Giovani74

it's a broken power. It's abstract. If he can see it, it cannot affect him.

Danielle

Wasn't this one of the complaints mangaritas had, when it came to wrapping up Bleach and dealing with Yuhua and this power, it was basically him just kinda sauntering around saying that he knows this and he knows that, but not, like, actually having a lot of action

Giovani74

It's an abstract power. It's just him saying, well, this doesn't affect me because I can see it. And it's hard to reconcile that because, Just because I see it coming doesn't necessarily mean it won't affect me

Danielle

Well,

Giovani74

how do you prevent it from affecting you?

Danielle

I get that. And I did like, as a viewer, they wrote it in a way where, we were, we were able to get The fights. I guess if for the people like myself who do the fight scenes and appreciate the fight scenes, we were able to get that because I feel like maybe a little bit of the previous episode had that like, I have the almighty power. I can do this and things just kind of. magically unfold in the way that he wants and it's just the explanation is just because I can see it all

Giovani74

Right.

Danielle

that can be a little tiresome as a viewer just looking at that all the time. So I do like that wrote it in a way where he kind of didn't use the power

Giovani74

Mm hmm,

Danielle

so then it forced him to have to actually engage

Giovani74

but he was never in any danger of losing the fight anyway, like

Danielle

I'm just saying, just looking at it viewer wise, you know, now it's forcing him to engage, even though we know he's, you know, he already knows he's going to win, but it's forcing him to seem like he has to engage, um, a little bit before he gets back to, I, I see it all. I know it all,

Giovani74

Right,

Danielle

know,

Giovani74

so this fight is very different and it's over really really quickly he just kicks Ichigo's butt and He beat him upside down inside out and they end up back at the soul king's palace With Yuhua standing above Ichigo as it was foretold.

Danielle

Right.

Giovani74

went full circle, he saw it, he had no fear, and it ended precisely like it was going to. Bravo Yuhua! You the man.

Danielle

Rukia and Renji, and, you know, they're hoping that Squad Zero is still alive and they are heading over to Mayuri's, research and development lab,

Giovani74

right. They're looking for some answers. Momo are there. Soiphon and her lieutenant Omaeda. Jushiro Yukitake's taking care of Kenpachi.

Danielle

Right.

Giovani74

So that's that

Danielle

speculating on what's causing the tremors. Kisuke thinks that they're tied to the safety of the Soul King.

Giovani74

And he would be right

Danielle

He

Giovani74

And he would be very right.

Danielle

Yeah.

Giovani74

So this next part, I would like to touch on. I just want to hear what you have to say. Because Yuhua caused the Soul King by his true name, and

Danielle

he did. We got that. Definitely. A

Giovani74

if I pronounced that right. What do you think? Atnius?

Danielle

A D an a us. like Adonis, maybe? A

Giovani74

Maybe?

Danielle

A D an us.

Giovani74

And he is very upset with his father. He has a complicated relationship with his father. He wants to end his humiliation because he's a severed being that's encapsulated in stone. But at the same time, he's angry because his father saw the destruction of the Quincy empire and he let It happen.

Danielle

He chose, yep, he chose to let it happen.

Giovani74

This is,

Danielle

right?

Giovani74

An all powerful entity who's omniscient and omnipotent can let bad things happen to good people. No matter if you follow the Bible, whether it's Hebrew or the Christian Bible, there's always so much trial and tribulation. Why must you do that? This is a story that's as old as time that you talk about a deity and you wonder why so much suffering, why would you let this happen?

Danielle

Right.

Giovani74

And like I said, it's,

Danielle

I don't think

Giovani74

it's so,

Danielle

answers for that yet, though. Heh

Giovani74

that's

Danielle

heh

Giovani74

but,

Danielle

heh.

Giovani74

Yuhua is, Yuhua is angry. Because his people, and maybe him to an extent, have gone through so much, they have been essentially wiped out twice. And, Yuhua brings them back every time, and he's like, why? You can prevent this, but you choose not to.

Danielle

Heh heh. Yep.

Giovani74

And that's why Juha's like, if you're not gonna do anything, I am gonna kill you.

Danielle

Ichigo and his friends, they try to step up, to save the soul king. Yoruchi manages to get some, I guess like these golden threads around Yuha, but he burn them up with like his reishi flames

Giovani74

He just used his Reishi to burn them. And in burning The, the golden threads, some of the flames, inflamed the curtain and you see

Danielle

can see the soul king.

Giovani74

With a sword impelled in his chest. Ichigo.Sees this, and Immediately springs into action. But you Yuha didn't stop him.

Danielle

He did

Giovani74

Yuha was like,

Danielle

encouraged him.

Giovani74

Cause Ichigo doesn't think

Danielle

it was always one of his flaws.

Giovani74

Ichigo pulls out the sword. But!

Danielle

Then he's overcome.

Giovani74

Because Ichigo

Danielle

a trap!

Giovani74

Ichigo's Quincy!

Danielle

like,

Giovani74

He's the, the, the blue fiends or whatever.

Danielle

he forgets that.

Giovani74

His body, or a part of his body, belongs to,

Danielle

You,

Giovani74

to Yuhua,

Danielle

yep. And he

Giovani74

and Yuhua, Yuhua says kill the Soul King, and that's what Ichigo does. Ichigo lifts his sword and splits the Soul King in half.

Danielle

Yep. In

Giovani74

The lower part of the Soul King falls, and this. You can feel this. The world feels this.

Danielle

Yep. All the trembling is at a 10 now. But you know, I feel like the Soul King being cut in half should be more ominous than trembling, don't you? Like, I feel like the sky needs to be turned in black. It just feels like it should be like, you should really know that this is a terrible thing that just took place, like,

Giovani74

Well, that was,

Danielle

trembling.

Giovani74

agree. I agree with that. I do think it was interesting how Juha says it took someone who was Quincy, human, soul reaper, full bringer, and hollow, someone who has all five traits to kill the soul king. And two, when everything goes white, I kind of dug it. I kind of like how they did the end of the world scenario. It's like a a slow burn, right? Hot, slow burn. To me, it felt like it was the end. Well,

Danielle

certainly predicted that because he says that with the destruction of the soul king. You know, all three worlds are gonna cease to exist.

Giovani74

Ichigo's friends had a small part too, looking at their soul passes. It was like, maybe this is a good time to see Ichigo.

Danielle

Ah. Ha ha ha.

Giovani74

go to the Soul Society and meet him?

Danielle

Not, not so much. Do you think that, um, cause, Aizen wanted to kill the Soul King too,

Giovani74

He did, yep.

Danielle

So did he have all of that together to be able to do that? Did you think he had that knowledge that He needed all of that to be able to do it?

Giovani74

Well, I think the, uh, Horyoku, if I pronounced that right,

Danielle

Was gonna like what make up the rest of it?

Giovani74

right, I think, yeah. I mean, I don't know for sure. Maybe,

Danielle

we

Giovani74

maybe he didn't know that.

Danielle

part and uh

Giovani74

But if you go back, the description that Aizen gave to, uh, Ichigo and, kisuke? It was the perfect depiction of how the, the Soul King looks. If you listen to what he calls him, that thing. He was more knowledgeable about the Soul King than anybody else. Maybe besides Kisuke.

Danielle

Hmm.

Giovani74

So that ends the episode, right?

Danielle

ends the episode the worlds are rumbling.

Giovani74

Scariest thing

Danielle

has a plan.

Giovani74

well,

Danielle

Yeah.

Giovani74

It better, because this is episode two.

Danielle

somebody other than Yuhua has a plan, And listen, well, I'll get to that next. Sorry.

Giovani74

So, uh

Danielle

somebody other than Yuhua has a plan, definitely.

Giovani74

Yeah, I don't know how I feel about this episode, There was some good and bad in this, it'd be interesting to hear your best and worst,

Danielle

Well, I don't know if I have a best, I guess I'll do worse

Giovani74

but, let's rate it first, just like, jump ahead,

Danielle

Sorry. Go ahead.

Giovani74

How do you rate this episode?

Danielle

You know, I have to say that my rankings don't feel really high for these first two episodes. I did like the action with the fight scene because I always like the bleach fight scenes the most part. You know, they always get the music, right? They usually do them pretty well So I like that that was quite a bit of everyone on the ground being aimless felt a

Giovani74

that was,

Danielle

um drawn out.

Giovani74

that was, I agree.

Danielle

So I will say I'll give it a solid seven

Giovani74

Whoa, a seven?

Danielle

I don't know

Giovani74

Okay.

Danielle

just, you know, yeah, let me expand a just a smidge, because I feel like, know, they are moving the story along, we got some back history with the flashback, we got, um, Yuham explaining why he needed Ichigo to be the one to kill the Soul King. We got some explanations. So the story is moving forward, I just felt, I still feel like I just, I need more for some reason. Like I feel like I

Giovani74

Right. Right.

Danielle

and the main part of the fight scenes and that action was good. That was fine, but I still feel like I need a little bit more, so I'm going to stick with my seven.

Giovani74

Well, this was a, not a strong episode to me and I struggled with this because I wanted to give it something lower than a six lower than last week's episode, but I decided just to give it a six again. They gave, they breadcrumbed us. And it just basically seemed like the ichigo yuha yorubaha show. It's just okay six six for the best and worst you want the best or the worst,

Danielle

I guess I'll do the worst,

Giovani74

okay You

Danielle

feel like I really have a best but for me Well, I don't know if it's exactly a worse, but I just thought it was kind of Kind of messed up that Oh show Gave this whole spiel to Ichigo about how he needs to step up and help save the soul king because he can't do it and he's the only one he can get to do it and you know it's a whole thing you know and as soon as they're gone basically like Oh, well, you know, they're not gonna win. They're gonna get defeated.

Giovani74

Right.

Danielle

So sad, too bad.

Giovani74

Poor humans.

Danielle

Yeah, so I'm like, okay, so he set them up on what like a suicide mission,

Giovani74

Was not good.

Danielle

that there was no way that he was gonna win. Why, why even do that? You know, I I didn't like that.

Giovani74

My best was Yuhua. I thought Yuhua really stood out in this episode. And he stands out in all episodes. But the glimpse of the almighty being used the way it did. At the beginning of the, uh, show, we see Yuhua standing above Ichigo in defeat. And we didn't know where this was going. But as the fight continues started to unfold and Yuhua said well I foresaw. This already. We got a glimpse to see that Yuhua's really not afraid of Ichigo at any part of this fight Because he saw how it was going to end and it it did end just as he foresaw and in general Everything ended like Yuhua foresaw, even the death of his father, the Soul King. Pretty cool.

Danielle

yeah,

Giovani74

So. Is that it. Danny P?

Danielle

Uh, yeah, I think that's it. Um, We'll see what the outcome is from the soul king being cut in half The next episode everything's rumbling hopefully You know things will still be intact

Giovani74

What's the name of the next episode?

Danielle

next episode is gonna be The dark arm episode

Giovani74

Oh,

Danielle

the dark arm.

Giovani74

the Dog arm. I have thoughts.

Danielle

So, that's gonna be interesting Yeah So,

Giovani74

wrap this up.

Danielle

news or anything for the people?

Giovani74

Uh, no, not this week. I don't have anything. Sorry guys, nothing.

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And

Danielle

Let me start.

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see

Danielle

We're gonna head out then.

Giovani74

All right,

Danielle

We're gonna see

Giovani74

bye.

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one.

Danielle

the dark arm out. All right, bye.