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Paradise Perspectives
Untethered: Breaking Free from Fear with Jen Liss
My guest in this episode is my friend, retreat co-host, breathwork facilitator, and podcast host, Jen Liss. We explore how to break through fear, make aligned decisions, and make decisions that transform your life with Full-Body Yesses.
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Welcome to Paradise Perspectives, the podcast for women over 40 who are ready to move past fear, embrace change and create a life they love. From a Caribbean perspective, we keep it real here, we keep it honest and unfiltered, and we talk about growth, healing and the magic of travel, because stepping outside the comfort zone, whether it's in life or anywhere else, is where the real transformation happens. Now let's get into today's episode. Hey there, my friend, and welcome back to another episode of Paradise Perspectives. In case you are new here, my name is Rizal. I'm also known as the Traveling Island Girl. I'm your Caribbean sister, your island friend, your guide, and today's episode is going to be another special one, so get ready for this.
Speaker 2:So my friend, jen Liss, from the popular podcast On Thetters with Jen, is my guest today, and I have been waiting to get her back on the podcast for a while and we've decided that now is the time to do it, especially because she's not only my friend, she's also the co-host of this year's retreat. So this year's retreat, the Island Awakening Luxury Retreat we are planning, we are hosting it together right here in St Martin in June, and the story of how we met is just incredible. You know, sometimes the universe has a way of bringing people together, kind of like introducing people into your life in the most unexpected ways. So I think it's about a year ago I think it was January last year actually when Jen and I connected by chance, by pure coincidence, and we just clicked. It was over a phone call and we just immediately clicked. You know that feeling when you meet someone and it's like you've known them forever. Well, that was us. We had deep, really deep conversations right from the start and not even six months later.
Speaker 2:She then made a spontaneous decision that would change everything and, I might add, has accelerated our friendship into the tight bond we have today. She booked a flight and she joined last year's retreat on a whim. She just wanted to be there. She felt an incredible pull to be there and she did it. And let me tell you something watching her experience, the island lean into the magic that she helped create at this retreat and helped transform so many women. It was just incredible.
Speaker 2:Now let's let's fast forward to today. Jen isn't just a past retreat co-host, slash guest. She is also my very good friend. She's like a sister to me, and she is the co-host of this year's Island Awakening Luxury Retreat.
Speaker 2:Like I said before, in this episode we are diving into her journey, what it means to live untethered, the power of saying yes to yourself, because that is so darn important and why this retreat in particular might be exactly what you have been searching for. And I also want you to get to know Jen and who she is as a person, and I bet everything that at the end of this episode you are going to fall in love with her, just like I did many, many moons ago Well, not that many moons ago, just the last year on that phone call. I bet you are going to like her as well. So let's get into it. Jen, I am so happy that you could make it. Welcome back to Paradise Perspectives. This is your second time. I think last time I had you on the show was about last year. Can you believe how fast it went?
Speaker 1:I cannot believe how fast it went. I'm so excited to be back with a new, a completely new Paradise Perspective, because I've been to Paradise and back.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh, that is true. This is. You were in the first part of Paradise Perspectives, when it was all about travel et cetera, and now you're in the new version of it, and also you have been to Paradise and back, so this is going to be such a fun conversation I'm sure it's always a fun conversation between the two of it and also you have been to paradise and back, so this is going to be such a fun conversation.
Speaker 1:I'm sure, it's always a fun conversation between the two of us.
Speaker 2:It is so first, before we start, we actually need to do our celebratory dance, like what we do all the time. Whenever you and I have zoom calls, we always do the dance. Are you ready? I'm ready, I'm ready. Okay, are you ready? It's essential.
Speaker 1:It's essential, and I don't know what people see, but I try to go opposite of you, you know.
Speaker 2:Oh, I see what you're doing. I like it. It just brings us into. You know, whenever we do our silly dances it brings us into such a fun atmosphere and we have such fun conversations that follow. So I think the dancing is essential.
Speaker 1:Essential, absolutely.
Speaker 2:So I want you to introduce yourself. Actually, you are, of course, a coach, you are a friend, you are also, of course, a breathwork facilitator. So tell us a little bit about you. Who is Janlis?
Speaker 1:Yeah, well, you defined me by titles. That is who I am and what I do. What I came here to the world to do is help people have more fun. That's what my soul is here to do. The world to do is help people have more fun. That's what my soul is here to do. My soul is here to break through the restrictions that I place upon myself, to hold too much responsibility, to work too hard, to make everything miserable, so that my soul can actually have a transcendent, amazing fun, alive, free experience, and that's what I'm here to do for other people. So, whether it's breathworking, whether it's coaching, whether it's hosting a retreat or traveling or doing anything, that's what I'm here to do. Getting myself to the point of understanding.
Speaker 2:that has been a journey, but that's where I am and I fully know in my heart and my soul that that's what I'm here to do.
Speaker 2:And it's so much fun it is. I am so happy to hear you say it in that way, because I think, like a lot of times, when somebody asks you who you are and tell us a little bit about you, we immediately go to what we do, when we forget about who we are as a person and what we are as a person, right. So, thank you for that answer. I really really love that. So, you, I do want to go back to a little bit about what you do, which is, of course, how I got to know you a little better is through your podcast on Tethered with Jen. I mean, before we go into that, our how we met is just one one of those like, if you do not believe in the universe doing its its work, I mean, that was, that was one of those things. Right, it was just a casual conversation on the phone, on the phone, and then, just months later, I picked you up at the airport. I'm here in St Martin.
Speaker 1:It was just so bizarre it was. Everything is energy. I'm a firm believer in it and I felt connected to you from the first time that we talked via just a random chat. I was like I like her, there's something about her and that's just the way that the world works. There was aligned energy. And then a few months later we had just kind of met and I was like who would I really like to interview on my podcast? And you came to mind. I have you on my podcast. You're like I'm hosting this retreat. A few months later, I'm at your retreat. This is how it works. It was crazy.
Speaker 2:It's so wild. Yeah, but I do have to ask you what made you make that decision? Because it was really. It went so fast and a lot of times when you, when I say that I'm hosting a retreat, you know women will be like, oh yes, I would love to attend, and then it kind of like waters down and you don't really hear from them anymore. Or they do sign up, but it takes a little bit of a push to get most women to say yes to an adventure or an opportunity like this. What made you say yes?
Speaker 1:last year. Oh well, it simply felt right.
Speaker 1:It simply felt right. The ultimate yes for me, all of the yeses that I make now in my life, are because it feels like a full body hell yes. And if it feels a little bit like a no, then it's a no. But if you asked me this, rizal, a few years ago, I would not know what that meant, and so for anybody who is listening right now, who's like I don't even understand at all, how would I make a decision based on that? I get that I fully do. At the same time, you can access that way of making decision making and it will change your life when you start making decisions that feel like a full body yes, versus things that are not actually meant for you because you're deciding to do them based on FOMO or you're deciding not to do it because it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1:That's just getting in the way of you doing the things that are truly aligned for you, and so it's a whole new way. This is a whole new ballgame of decision making. So I mean, for me it was, it was just a full body. Yes, I knew.
Speaker 2:It's so beautiful to hear, because I myself did not even. I think I heard you say that for the first time that I ever heard somebody use the phrase it's a full body yes, was from you, I think it's for me. I didn't start realizing what was a full body yes, or full body no, until I did some work on myself and I realized how to get kind of like in tune with the me, the actual me, the inner me, to actually know when something feels like a full body S and when it doesn't. So, was that the same for you as well, that you have to kind of like get to that part?
Speaker 1:For sure, and it's a lot more simple than we think, though, and I'm so grateful to guides who have been the people who have supported me on this journey. You're that guide. For anybody who's listening to this podcast, it's like we find the people who start to give us the little breadcrumbs that are leading us back home to ourselves, because, yes, you have to know who you are, and you have to know these things in order to start making decisions that are in alignment for you. The problem is that we have been raised, most people, until we hit our late 30s, early 40s, 50s, sometimes 60s. Sometimes, people live their entire lives not ever really knowing who they are. We're living according to the expectations that have been set for us, we're living according to the plan that our parents lived, and we're just mindlessly going through the motions of life without ever stopping to say what do I want?
Speaker 1:And we're living in a new age where we need people. We're all being called to actually pause and say what did I come here to do? The world doesn't need us to just be cogs in the machine anymore. It doesn't need us to run through the motions. We have chat, gpt, we have AI. We have all of these things that are doing the cogs in the wheel for us. We need humans to be themselves.
Speaker 1:So there's a reason that all of us are being called to this right now. We're being called to come back to who you are and what you contribute to the world, and you're going to be so much happier. We're miserable. Mental health is at an all time, like there's a crisis. That is happening because we're so disconnected from who we are and our purpose, because our purpose is no longer to be the cog in the machine. You're not, you're not just pushing buttons anymore. Our parents were happy doing that because they were contributing, but you're not contributing now doing that. So it really is this huge shift that's happening, and I share that because it really adds some context for me to the why this is really important right now and why people are feeling so discontent with where they're at right now.
Speaker 1:You're supposed to feel discontent because, you're supposed to be coming back home to yourself to figure out who you are and what you came here to do, but like somebody who is listening to us right now.
Speaker 2:What would you tell that person? How do you start getting to find out who you are and get to know you? I mean it's a journey and you and I both have been on our personal, you know our personal development and out on this journey, I mean I may have started a little bit later than you did, but what would you tell somebody who's like you know what. I am ready to get there, I am ready to really know who I am and what I am. What would you tell somebody like that? How would you guide them into beginning? What is the first step?
Speaker 1:It's such a great and relevant question to every single person, so thank you for posing it. First, what I would say to you is recognize how much further along you are than you think Because, again, if you're listening to this podcast right now, you are already on the journey. You're introspective. You wouldn't be listening, are already on the journey. You're introspective. You wouldn't be listening to Rizal. If you were not introspective, you wouldn't be reaching for this particular podcast.
Speaker 2:You might be watching the Real Housewives or anything else which is fine also.
Speaker 1:Yes, we all like our fair share of trash.
Speaker 2:TV and watching White Lotus. It's a pleasure. I'm hearing a lot about White Lotus now and I don't have it here in the Caribbean, which really sucks. So yeah, but yeah, but yeah, guilty pleasures. But you are right, absolutely right. You would not be listening to this podcast, or any other podcast of its kind, if you were not open and ready to start your journey. You're actually already on it.
Speaker 1:Yes, you're already on the journey. Like, think of it as if you were going to go to Mount Everest. You have to be healthy enough. If you're going to climb Everest. You have to be healthy enough. You have to be fit enough just to go to base camp. Just to go to base camp is enough for some people, and you're already to base camp, is enough for some people, and you're already at base camp. You've already come a long way and now you're ready to go to camp one, camp two, camp three You're moving your way up the mountain. So just if we don't pause to celebrate exactly where we are and recognize holy crap, I've already come this far. That's one of the biggest things that you can learn on your journey is really pausing to look at the progress that you've made, and then I'll give you step two, so you're already at step one. So I would love for you to pause and celebrate yourself and just take a breath and pat yourself on the back, literally Take your hand right now, and be like dang good job.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was like it's so interesting to say that it's like I was. I don't know where I saw it, but it was today. Just before we hopped on this call, I saw this thing on my screen that was saying you know, congratulate yourself for the hard work you have already done. Your younger self will be so proud of the person you are today. And I think we forget that at times, how important it is to look back and see how far we've actually come. And I had that moment not too long ago when I was like, oh my gosh, the result of three years ago I am that result that the three years ago result was really dreaming of. You know it's, it's incredible when you realize how far you've actually, how much work you've actually put into yourself already.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So often that's beautifully said. So often you're living the life of your former self dreams and you don't even realize it.
Speaker 1:Which is why people really talk about having a gratitude practice, because gratitude helps you to get into the recognition of those things Like wow, I'm really already living the life that I dreamed of. And it's okay to want more, because not only is your former self proud of you, your younger self is so proud of you, so is your future self proud of you. Your younger self is so proud of you, so is your future self. Your future self is also incredibly proud of exactly who you are today.
Speaker 2:She's on the way, she's coming to be this new person, she knows.
Speaker 2:Yeah, she's like begging you to take that step. You can do it. It's so wonderful. I've done so many meditations in which I meet my future self and we have this long ass conversations. And it's funny that you also say about gratitude practice, because that is one thing that I always say on this podcast is how important gratitude is, because it really makes you see everything that you already have in your life. It's like we are. We have this way of constantly thinking that we are in lack because we don't have a certain thing that we've been wanting. But it's so important to ground yourself and realize geez, you know, I, I have everything I need. You have life, you have breath. You have everything you need. You have it in this moment.
Speaker 1:And the more that you recognize that and really feel that, the more that more will come to you. And that is such a catch-22 for your mind to understand, because the mind's like no, I want it, I don't have that.
Speaker 1:All your mind sees is lack because, your mind wants to keep you safe and it wants to keep you right here. But your heart, your soul, the rest of you knows that all of that is BS. It knows that you already are whole and complete and perfect and everything is so good right now and when you start to feel that truly there is so much goodness that is already right here, in this very present moment, that's actually when more goodness comes. So very difficult for our brain to understand this, but for me, I didn't understand gratitude. In fact, you can listen to a podcast episode on my own podcast about how gratitude is bullcrap, because in my own journey I will not take those podcasts down.
Speaker 2:You didn't say that.
Speaker 1:I didn't say it's bullcrap, but not in so many words, but kind of. I was like I don't know how I feel about that word because it's just overused. I didn't fully understand the process, but what fully connected for me. So for those who maybe have resisted a gratitude practice or like yeah, whatever it's feeling it, it is feeling the gratitude when you start like not just am I grateful that I had a delicious lunch today, but I remember how it felt to eat it and to enjoy it. And then I start to feel grateful for the farmer who actually planted those seeds and just feel what it's like to just really be in the moment, even with that person, of like watching them plant the seeds. That's where it starts to shift. It's in the feeling state that things start to shift. It's not all. Of this stuff doesn't operate in the mind, it operates in the body.
Speaker 1:So, that's getting a little bit, that gets a little bit advanced, so we're talking like steps 14. So what?
Speaker 2:I would say for steps two through 13, straight into 14, which I'll do that for you.
Speaker 1:But then we'll come back to step two, really the biggest thing. So it's recognizing number one. I'm already so far. I'm already so far. And step two is what sounds fun to me today? Yeah, what would be fun? What would I enjoy? What do I want to do? When's the last time that you asked yourself that? Because so many of us and me, for most of my life I didn't wake up in the morning saying what do I want to do. I woke up saying I got to do this, I got to do that. Oh, my gosh, I have to.
Speaker 2:We have all this pressure that we wake up with, and that's okay if you wake up with that pressure we create ourselves, though we create that Every single day, when we wake up and say, you know, instead of saying this is going to be a magical, beautiful day, we automatically go into the oh I got to go to that stupid job and I got to do this, and I got to do that, and I have to do this, and I have to do that. And it's just a switch up here, isn't it? It's a switch.
Speaker 1:It is easier said than done. However, I will tell you a story about this, and this will illustrate the reality of how you can flip that switch and how that switch will change things instantaneously.
Speaker 2:I was in a corporate job.
Speaker 1:I don't know if I've ever told you this story. I was in a corporate job and anybody who has watched Severance the show, here's another guilty pleasure. Severance, the very first scene of that movie, is this man and he's in his car and he looks tight, he looks hungover, he looks like he could not, he would want to be anywhere other than where he is. He just looks resigned, he looks tired, he looks like he's just in the pits of hell. That's how I felt one morning sitting in the parking lot of my job. I'm sitting in this gigantic parking lot in my car, full of other cars, all employees are like rolling up around me, everybody's getting up, getting out of their car and I'm just watching. People just like park their car, grab their bag, go inside, walk into big black building that's black on the outside and beige on the inside. And so then I grab my bag and I'm like walking to the car and I'm like I'm one of these little ants that are walking into the building and I felt like that guy, like what am I doing with my life? This is how I feel, just like I don't think I can do this one more day, and that's a Friday.
Speaker 1:On Sunday, I have a coaching call with this coach who I'm working with, somebody who's just like you, offers the kinds of things that you do, the kinds of coaching that you do. And she is my person. And I'm working with her because I'd felt some call to like I even remember telling my family I don't know who this lady is, I just like paid her money Coaching with this lady. So I had already done a step, you know. But I'm just so miserable.
Speaker 1:I had gone to that step because I'm so miserable, like I just I think I'm going to die if I have to walk into this building one more time. And here's what she miserable, I just think I'm going to die if I have to walk into this building one more time. Oh, my God, here's what she says to me, roselle. She said, jen, when you go to work on Monday, I want you to go into that big black box. It's black on the outside and beige on the inside. I want you to sit at your little cubicle and I want you to say what sounds fun to me today.
Speaker 2:And if she was sitting in front of me, I would have wanted to splash my coffee in her face.
Speaker 1:The last question that I wanted to hear when I'm that miserable that I don't want to go into this job, I'm like I just paid this lady $3,000. Fine, I'm going to do what she told me to do, that is what you're telling me to do Really.
Speaker 1:Seriously. Well, I know, yeah, one one hand, and on the other hand I'm like, okay, I'll go do it. I'm like, let me prove you wrong and how bad this idea is. So I go, I walk into the black box and I sit down at my beige cubicle and I go this sucks, this sucks, that sucks. I don't want to work on that. This project is stupid. My coworker won't stop clipping her nails in the morning.
Speaker 1:I'm just looking around at all the things that I hate. And then I turn, I'm looking around and I look over at my boss and I said, huh, chad, what are you working on? And he's like, oh my gosh, this project, let me tell you about this. He starts telling me about it and I was like that sounds fun. So he's telling me about his miserable project and I'm like, actually, that kind of sounds fun. Can I come to the meeting? I go to the meeting and I'll skip all of it, but within weeks I'm leading coaching sessions, and I'm not a coach at this time, but I'm just like having so much fun. I'm leading coaching sessions for employees to help them grow in their careers, asking them all of these cool questions like what are you interested in? What do you like to do? What's fun for you? Like we start doing the things Are you kidding me?
Speaker 1:We build this employee experience program, we start getting all of these cool things going and that has kickstarted everything for me. A door opened up that I didn't know. I didn't know. I liked to facilitate.
Speaker 1:I didn't know that I could help people in this way. I didn't know I had a passion for it. I just knew I hated what I was doing and what was revealed to me was that what somebody else hates he hated. It was fun for me and you found your fun. I found my fun. It was sitting right there it was sitting five feet from me.
Speaker 2:Can we just give universe the universal applause here, because that is just what Golf clap for the universe. That is just magical. I love it when these little things happen when you finally doors open and in the most unexpected ways right, right, so good.
Speaker 1:So even if that question sucks, it's the question yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So I want to go back to your podcast because I have learned your podcast was so instrumental in me learning about a lot of stuff and I think the first ever podcast I know, the first ever podcast that I that I listened to from you was the one where you were talking about receiving and how women especially have such a hard time with receiving, and I remember it so clearly that changed a lot for me. Like you have no idea, but you were instrumental in giving me that kick in my butt that I needed to go from whatever step I was at that time in my life to, kind of like, really go into the next one and the next one and the next one into my. You know the personal journey that I was on. So, and I continue to be so I want to thank you for that. But while on the subject of the podcast, I'm going to ask you what is behind the name actually, on Tethered, yeah, so it started with this story that I just told you.
Speaker 1:It really started with me realizing what was enjoyable in this world for me. And when we talk about women receiving, so many of us don't know how to receive because we don't know how to enjoy, because it feels unsafe. We don't feel safe having fun, we don't feel safe enjoying life, we don't feel at some point. When I was five years old, I put on this beautiful strawberry dress. I loved the strawberry dress. It was so cute, I felt so good in it?
Speaker 2:Why am I getting like a visual of you in this little strawberry dress? I love it Was your hair purple then too, because I kind of like seeing you as a little kid with purple hair in a strawberry dress twirling around.
Speaker 1:I had wished it was In my head. It probably was purple and I had on these little frilly socks and I loved it.
Speaker 1:But one day my mom told me you can't wear that strawberry dress anymore and even though I felt so good and I loved it and to me it still felt like magic to wear it, I looked like Raggedy Ann, like my mom was like you cannot wear that dress to school one more time. You have worn it to the bone. But I didn't understand that. So what was imprinted on me? I give this example because we all have one.
Speaker 2:If you have a receiving problem.
Speaker 1:what was imprinted on me is what I want is not okay. Yeah, and what feels good to me and what feels exciting to me and what makes me feel like a powerful princess, like a queen, that's not okay and therefore, anytime that something good comes my way, I'm going to bounce it off because it's not safe. It's not safe for me to want it. It's not okay. I'm not a good girl if I love the way that things feel, If I want to be surrounded in luxury and to feel so good. I'm not a good girl. So.
Speaker 2:I've got to bounce it off so that I can stay.
Speaker 1:Right, how dare you so that receiving thing is so, so, so, so big, and all of that to say? My podcast wouldn't exist if I'd never asked myself that question about fun and I hadn't started to discover what are the problems Like? What is keeping me from really loving my life? What is keeping me from doing the things that I enjoy? And I was like I am tethered. I am so tethered to misery, I'm tethered to guilt, I'm tethered to worry, I'm tethered to judgment, I'm tethered to just. I'm tethered to worry, I'm tethered to judgment, I'm tethered to just like.
Speaker 1:I kind of like hating myself, I like hating my life. And so I was like I've got to untether, and so that's the name of my podcast is Untethered. What does it feel like to let myself really be free to be me? Wow, what does that feel like? And so that's been my personal exploration for the past few years, and receivership is a big part of that feeling joy, having fun. And the challenge is that when you're having fun, that's when you're showing up in your gifts to their fullest capacity and you don't feel safe to do it.
Speaker 1:That's just a shame for everybody for the world, for you, for all.
Speaker 2:Wow, Is there anything at this moment, the Jen that you are today, after all of the work that you have done? Is there anything that you are still tethered to?
Speaker 1:Oh my gosh. Yes, there's always some new level. It's like, I'm sure, what did they say? Same shit different day. Can I say that? Yes, you can. It's like same shit, new level, because it's the same things.
Speaker 1:We have come. This is my belief. We've come to this world. If you believe in karma and karmic paths and those kinds of things to this world. If you believe in karma and karmic paths and those kinds of things, my soul has come here to break free of a few things and those things are taking on too much responsibility. Not having a good time. Yours might be totally different. Yours could be worthiness, feeling like I'm fully, fully worthy.
Speaker 2:I don't have that one as much. Oh my gosh, ding, ding, ding. How did you know? Yeah, let me just point yours out?
Speaker 1:No, I didn't know that as much. How did you know? Yeah, Let me just point yours out. No, I didn't know that. So, like, what are yours? What are yours? Just to help the listeners Like worthiness.
Speaker 2:What are your kind of stickies? Worthiness would be like one of my big ones at the moment that I'm really struggling with, and I think you and I had this conversation at one point or another where I said I'm really judgy. And I think you and I had this conversation at one point or another when where I said I, I'm really judgy and I wish I wasn't that judgy. That was one thing as well. But I think the wordiness, that's a big one for me and that is something that it has become much, much better. But I think it has a lot to do with my upbringing, of course, but also living in the Caribbean you are. You know, since you were talking about receiving, it starts with receiving compliments. That was always really hard for me, cause I'm not. I don't feel like I'm worthy of that compliment, I'm not worthy of receiving that gift or that anything Right.
Speaker 2:And so many women here in the Caribbean especially, we have a way, like I remember somebody posted on the internet just the other day around Christmas time. They said Dear Caribbean aunt, your fat is not, it's not the same as Merry Christmas, and why she said that is because in the Caribbean that is like the first thing. As soon as you enter somebody's home or whatever, it's like oh my God, you got fat. Like that is the first thing that comes out of their mouth. But also when you dare to step into who you feel like being at that moment and express how happy or those desires that you have, or you dare feel pretty that you have, or you dare feel pretty here in the Caribbean especially you'll get somebody accusing you of feeling or being too much or telling you like, oh, who you think you are. So they got to like bring you down. So that also has taught me for a very long time that I'm not worthy of wanting or having fun or expressing myself how I want to express myself. So that is my tether, is the worthiness.
Speaker 1:Yeah, worthiness for sure. Too much is one related to judgment perfectionism, because we're not going to do something unless we feel like it's going to be perfect, because what happens when we do it and it's not perfect? We will get punished or we'll be rejected from our house.
Speaker 2:We're not a good girl.
Speaker 1:Our little selves thought that if we're not good, we'll die Our parents are going to kick us out of the house and not take care of us. That's how it's imprinted on us is to that severe?
Speaker 2:of a level.
Speaker 1:So of course you're not going to, you know, launch your coaching program not specifically you, but others. It's like we're not going to do the things we're not going to put in for that promotion, we're not going to trust that something good is going to happen to us, because that will be unsafe or it's got to be perfect before that happens.
Speaker 1:And the truth is that we're all it's new shit, new level. It's like we're continuing to work on that same thing and we're being asked, while we're working on that thing, to turn around and lend a hand to others to help them move through their current level of it. That realization is so freeing. That's been one of my biggest released tethers was the perfectionism and how we can show up exactly as you are right now and serve, and that's actually what you're here to do is show up right now. Not I need to get all the certifications and all of the things so that I can finally show up, but show up right now with the gifts that you have. It's not someday, it's right now.
Speaker 1:I heard Jerry Seinfeld recently. He was talking about his comedy and he said I think the problem right now with so many people is that we've taught kids that they need to follow a path and then they'll make money, but we never ask them path and then they'll make money. But we never asked them what do you want to do? What is enjoyable for you right now? We just send them on a path that's going to help them make money. He said I never intended to pursue comedy, it was just enjoyable for me. So I started showing up and I started doing it and then I started getting paid for it and he's like this is the way that you see successful people who do make a lot of money and they're happy with what they do.
Speaker 1:They start with what's enjoyable. But we don't do that. We haven't been taught that and it's not your fault.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, absolutely Well. Yeah, I needed to hear that again.
Speaker 1:Kind of like a reminder.
Speaker 2:And you're worthy to hear that again. Yeah, you're worthy. Thank you, I am. That is one thing that you call her your mentor, and she is a sort of mentor to me as well. Kathy Heller and that is one thing that I got from listening to her podcast is when she said do it messy. Because that is one thing that I always felt was hindering me from taking the next step is because, oh, I'm not ready, it's not ready, I can't release this into the world yet because it's not perfect. And when she said do it messy, that is when I just threw caution to the wind and I was like I'm doing it, I'm doing it the way it comes out right now. And to be able to sit now here in front of you, speaking in a language that is not my own and completely actually dominating this language, without actually having like my little hiccups because I was so in my head when I had to speak in public, this is incredible. And that was because I dared to do it messy. You know, it's just so incredible.
Speaker 1:It takes a lot of courage. I'm curious for you when you started, was it the podcast that has helped you to change?
Speaker 2:that or what has helped you? I had a YouTube channel already in which I was doing it, but the YouTube channel was just me in front of the camera and I always I, you know, I had to get used to being in front of the camera, obviously, and I used to work at the radio station. I used to work at the radio station here at St Martin and I used to be a news anchor. So of course, that is all reading the news, so it's not like it has to come from me, but whenever I felt like I had to talk from myself without a script, I always thought I was going to lose the thread and not know what to say.
Speaker 2:And as a multi-language speaker, I sometimes forget the word in certain languages when I'm speaking that language. And then so it's. I get into my head of oh, you're going to F up, you're going to F up, you're going to stumble on your words, you're not going to remember certain words in English. So I was constantly there. So whenever I was having, like a discussion with somebody, I was always afraid of speaking like I'm speaking now.
Speaker 2:So it took me some time, and it wasn't until I started on this journey that I am now at a place where I am comfortable that we can have this conversation right now and I'm not worried about how my English is going to sound or how many F-ups I'm going to do with a language and how many errors and all of that. So it took a while.
Speaker 1:It takes so much courage to get to where you are, and you're a beautiful model for doing it messy, for continuing that process and seeing the other side of it, what is there and what's available to you. And also here's what I will say is that, as I'm listening to you, mike, I love when some of my friends who speak other languages say, well, you know, in French we would say this, but what it kind of means is this that's so fun for me that I love when people do it, and so it's like we think that we need to do everything right. This is a small example, and I'm not calling anything out.
Speaker 1:I just think it's an example of where you could just say that and just name that, and what happens for us when we just name something is that it opens the door to the unexpected, to a fun conversation that might not have otherwise happened, or to somebody learning something new from you. Oh my gosh, imagine that. So there's a lot of layers to what you just shared.
Speaker 1:So there's a lot of layers to what you just shared, and that's a fun one. That when we can just be honest, but all the world wants us to be as honest.
Speaker 2:Like anybody in a conversation wants.
Speaker 1:they don't want you to be perfect, it's not interesting.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's so true, but you know, when you have formed that belief in your head that it has to be perfect, otherwise, no, it's a very hard one to crack. It's really, really hard to get away from that belief, something that I've been doing for the past 49 years, it's a lot. I want to talk to you about one of the very important things that we're going to be doing in the retreat that we're hosting together in June, and that is Jen the breathwork facilitator. So I want to know first, how would you explain to somebody who has never heard about breathwork before? How would you introduce them to it?
Speaker 1:Yeah. So I want anybody who's listening to this call, and maybe you too with me, to take a deep breath into your nose and now open up your mouth and exhale that breath. Congratulations you have just taken part in breathwork. You are a breathworker. Success that is breathwork. Conscious control of the breath is breath work. We give things names and then sometimes it becomes some like big thing that is breath work.
Speaker 1:Now, what happened in your body when you took that breath? Maybe we just do it one more time so we can experience it again. Nice big breath in Open up the mouth and exhale. What did you feel when you took that breath?
Speaker 2:Release. That release was just so beautiful. It was all of a sudden, immediately I went in a more relaxed pose and it cleared my mind also, because, as we're talking, of course, I got like so many other things that I'm thinking about at the same time. It actually cleared my mind for a second and just brought me to the now, to the right now, this instant and this release that you feel when you let up, let go of the breath. You know that that is, yeah, that is what I felt.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's the experience of a lot of people. When they take a big, deep breath, what we feel is the shoulders release, the neck relaxes, the palms might open up. You might feel your hands just unconsciously open. It's a more open stance, the body is relaxing. You might actually feel your feet for the first time today. You might recognize that you're sitting, that there's something underneath your butt oh my gosh, that is so true.
Speaker 2:You might feel a little bit of tingling. I'm feeling the floor right now beneath my feet. I'm feeling the texture of it and everything that is so amazing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, all of that happens from a single conscious breath. Your breath has a direct line to your nervous system. As humans living in the modern world, we are living in an activated state. It's called the sympathetic nervous system. That is the activated, fight-flight-freeze part of your nervous system. We're in it all the time because we're getting phone notifications, we have artificial light, we have so much stimulation we're living there all the time.
Speaker 1:Breathwork, using breathwork, can help you start to activate the other side of your nervous system. Rest and digest. It's where you become present. It's where your body heals. That's called the parasympathetic nervous system. You can use your breath consciously to shift that and it would start to behoove everyone if you don't do that regularly, to take a nice big, deep breath every time you notice that you're not and just help yourself shift, because we've got to start consciously shifting into that.
Speaker 1:Now what I do as a breath worker I help people to take control of their breath in order to shift their nervous system intentionally while releasing certain beliefs. So we've been talking about belief work. We've been talking about, like the I'm too much, that I'm not enough, that I'm not worthy, that that's the lack of safety. So those beliefs are triggering us to be in a sympathetic state into that fight, flight, freeze around those beliefs. So what I do is I help people to consciously change their breath while cuing certain beliefs, changing those beliefs at the subconscious level through activating a certain part of your nervous system that is allowing you to relax and to open to a new possibility. That's the kind of breath work that I do is transformational actually shifting the beliefs, the sensations, the feelings within our body. There's a lot that goes into it, but that's the work that I do. It's very deep, it's very cool. It will help you conquer fears. It will help you shift a lot of things.
Speaker 2:And it's very low.
Speaker 1:But the kind of meditative and coaching work and the coaching work that you do. They work very hand in hand, in tandem.
Speaker 2:They do. And you came to mind not too long ago and we had a I think I did mention it to you when I was having like such a terrible moment because I received the news through the email that got me into a very anxious state, and I remember that you then said you need to remember to breathe, and I remember the exercises that you've done at the retreat last year and also on those breathwork sessions that you and I had and those that I participated in, and I remember to do that and it of course it takes time to get there, but, yes, it did help bring me to a more relaxed state. You know when I wasn't so anxious and like. So you know, when you're feeling like everything is clamped up and you're feeling like your fists are tight and everything because something is not right, so yeah, it absolutely helps in this life that we want to, from a sympathetic state, yeah, from that fight, flight freeze state that most of us are in all the time.
Speaker 2:We can't. That state is exhausting too. It is so exhausting, it's exhausting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, your burnout and creative ideas and new possibilities physically cannot occur in your brain. You cannot receive them in that state. So learning to reprogram some of these things in our body and to signal safety in these areas where we have current blocks will help you to feel safe in your daily life. And then you'll move through things.
Speaker 1:You'll move through the world in a way that you just previously could not even fathom, and your breath is at the center of that, and that's what many, many new studies are beginning to realize is how important our breath is and how jacked up our breathing is for most of us, yeah, learning to breathe just in your daily life is one side of things, and then there's also transformational breath work that supports us with shifting beliefs, finding new levels of safety within our bodies, and again, that's the deep work that I do and the deep work that we'll be doing at the retreat in St Martin.
Speaker 2:I am so excited to be doing that again because you and I did that last year and it worked so well. We worked so well together on that, and you know my guided meditations with your breath work. It just went hand in hand, like you said. Which brings me, of course, to talking about the fun stuff, because this retreat is going to be insane and I'm, like, so excited for it not just to it to meet all of these beautiful women who are going to choose to say yes to themselves and actually take that scary step, because, let's be honest, for a lot of women it is scary to have to go on their own, take a flight from wherever they are, to then come to a place that probably they've never been to before and be amongst people that they have never met before.
Speaker 2:So talk about fear, and that is like one of my. That is like the main thing that I focus on is letting go of that fear right To be able to do the scary thing that you want to do get outside of your comfort zone. What do you hope that this year's retreat guests are going to experience at the end of it? What do you think is going to be like their main takeaway, or what do you hope is going to be their main takeaway from this?
Speaker 1:My favorite quote is everything you want in life is on the other side of fear. Yes, and it's true. By design, you're meant to have fear at your threshold, and so my desire for anybody who attends this retreat is that she crosses that threshold into a new, powerful, brave, bold, confident state of being. You're a new person from the time that you. You're actually a new person from the time that you transact and say yes and we've already heard that from somebody who's coming From the moment you say yes to something and you decide. Going back to the beginning of this conversation, you're a new you. Yeah, it's new, it's different. You've crossed a fear threshold, you've crossed a barrier, and it's a big, and so we're going to bust through some barriers.
Speaker 2:But can we talk about how big that barrier is? When you finally say you know what I'm doing it and you click on that button on that website and you say, yes, that is big. A lot of people are not able to do that first step. So for you to actually already say yes to it and click on this button, that is already a new version of you. You've already stepped into that new person that you want to be, that person that dares to take the big steps. So that is already amazing. When you take that first step and, like you said yeah, I've worked in this for a while and helped many women make big buying decisions.
Speaker 1:crossing a threshold like this and it is 100% true that you are a new you on the other side and that's actually why you're so afraid to do it. If you're being called to it, because there's some new possibility, there's something really really exciting for you. There's like new juicy level. Your highest self is doing that.
Speaker 1:come to me thing and you feel it, but it's scary because it's the threshold and so once you say yes to it, then it's like here we go, it's a whole new thing. So for me that's like the juice. That's the most exciting thing. At the same time, there is so much goodness in this retreat. It is the best time. You of all people. I've been to many retreats. I've been to a lot of retreats. Your retreat and the way that you put it together and you know everything on the island, like all of the things, it is luxury, it is fun, it is adventure. It is like I can't wait to go.
Speaker 1:I can't wait to be an attendee at our own retreat, because it's so good, but that big transformation to me is the biggest thing because I know what's possible for somebody on the other side of that and it's so exciting. It's just for somebody to say yes to that is really big. How about you?
Speaker 2:You know, what I loved about last year's retreat is hearing the stories. I know you remember there was like there were stories that were like things that came out after this retreat and I saw these women do after when they were sitting on that couch when we were doing our workshops, and they were sitting there and they say I can't do that, I can't do that. And they went afterwards and they did the thing. You know, there was one that was afraid of swimming. She couldn't swim. You remember that moment when she stepped on that lily pad and we coached her on and she sat in the deep ocean on that lily pad on this water. That was just mind blowing.
Speaker 1:She jumped onto that lily pad. She jumped onto a floaty in the ocean. Yeah, she was terrified previously and she said the only thing, remember? She said she locked eyes with me. She was like I locked eyes with Jen across the lily pad. I just happened to be right in her line of view and I was giving her that like we freaking got you, we got you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then that was one of my favorite stories, but there was also another one of somebody that came in and she had so many things that were holding her back from actually doing what she loves to do and I remember her sitting on that couch saying no, I can't do that. When we said, when we suggested that she could do this or that, and she said no, I can't do that. And she just went on to do it afterwards, after the retreat, and then it's just like I'm like what, the same thing that you said you weren't going to do, you're doing. You see that that was just. There was so many minuscule little transformations and really big ones at last year's retreat and I'm hoping that we have that same, if not more, at this year's retreat.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm looking forward to. Because there's no way that you go into this environment and you don't come out changed. No, that's exactly the entire set.
Speaker 2:The process is for that, and thank you for reminding me of all of those amazing stories I'm getting like this big smile on my face now, just remembering everything from last year, because in previous times as a retreat host, I've had a lot of times when I was like absolutely exhausted, because you know it takes a lot from a host to be constant. You need to be on constantly. But at this one I reminded myself to take rest in between when I could, and what happened is that I ended up experiencing the retreat as an attendee how do you say that? Not only as an attendee but also as the host. And that was so beautiful because I experienced all of those little moments and I was so in tune with all of these women. It was just incredible. It was incredible and I'm really looking forward to that again.
Speaker 1:I have to be always on as a host, that's a belief that you yourself, in hosting a retreat, got your own breakthrough moment, for which is what is so cool. We talked about that like showing up in your gifts exactly as you are, you are going to receive Like I see that at women at the highest level Every time they step into their new level of expansion, they're offering it to others. They themselves get an expansion. So it's so cool that that happened for you and that you got your own big ahas, and so did I, and so did everybody at the retreat, because that's the energy of the space, everything's energy. So of course, you're going to have some breakthroughs.
Speaker 2:Yeah, everybody will. So we were talking about that initial fear of actually saying yes to this or to something similar, and how scary it may seem. And, let's be honest, the only reason it is scary and fear starts creeping in is because it is new and you have not never done it before. But if you are feeling called to do it, then you need to. Also, I feel like you need to welcome fear, because fear is actually the indicator to tell you that, yes, this is what you need to do.
Speaker 2:A lot of times, fear is there to you know, to keep us safe, yes, but if fear is popping up, then that means that that is something that is really attracting you to do it. So it's not a stop sign, it's a signal, right, it's a signal for you to say yes to it. But, yeah, it is uncomfortable. Stepping outside of that comfort zone, it is really uncomfortable and you need to learn to get uncomfortable with it. Now, what would be something for somebody who is listening to us, to our chat today? What would be something that you would advise them to do if they are at that crossroads right now, like, should I do it? Should I not? What? If? Can I do this? But I really want to. How would you guide them to get over that initial fear?
Speaker 1:Well, I love a full circle conversation.
Speaker 1:And we just circled straight back to the beginning, which is, take a big deep breath and exhale and ask yourself is this something that I should say yes to? Does this feel like an aligned yes in my body? And now, if you have a question that has come to mind and you've just done this, there's the question is this an aligned yes? What do you feel? Do you feel resistance? Do you feel tightness in your throat? Do you feel tightness in your chest? Do you feel like rejection, like you're pushing something away? Or do you feel a sensation of excitement, enthusiasm, something light or bright, that's kind of lighting up some tingles. Maybe there's a little bit of resistance too, but there's something. Maybe it's happening in the heart space, Maybe it's happening in the stomach and you're just noticing a shift in your body there, and aligned no for me and for many people feels like that tightness, that restriction, that rejection, no, push away.
Speaker 1:Whereas the yes feels there's some tingly there's some lightness. There might be a little fear but there's something different, Absolutely.
Speaker 2:But it's so funny to just say that, because that's one thing that I learned early on in this journey, or when I was doing a lot of inner work is to realize that fear and excitement have the exact same symptoms to your body.
Speaker 2:you know that, you just had that fluttering exactly that, fluttering that butterfly in your stomach, that sweaty palms, your heart beating faster. That is that you. We have learned to say that that is fear. But what is what if it's excitement? What if it's excitement that you're feeling at that moment? You know, just before, just imagine, before you click on that button to say, yes, I'm coming to see Martin, what if that's excitement and not fear? I think that's so important to remember that as well.
Speaker 1:It's so good and so true. This is at a scientific chemical level. The what is being released from your brain and in your body is exactly identical for fear and excitement. It's the story you're telling yourself around it. So I'm excited about this, I'm scared of this. It's probably both, because they're the same thing. So, like you said, you'll know. You just know. You know if something's meant for you or if it's not. And if it's not, that's great, don't do it. If it is for you, awesome. We know, with this retreat in particular, we know that the right people are going to say yes because they're going to know.
Speaker 1:They're just going to know that it's the right thing for them, and if you have questions about it, we're here to answer those questions for you.
Speaker 2:But you're know you, yeah, you will, and so and also, you know, to be scared of taking this trip. Absolutely understandable. But know that Jen has been to St Martin. I am from St Martin, I actually live on St Martin, have been calling this island home for the past 23 years. I've actually and Rufus makes an appearance. Rufus, the cat, is in front of the camera right now. He always has, like the worst moments to appear right, yeah, he always wants to do it.
Speaker 1:He's like I'll be there.
Speaker 2:I was like, who are you talking to? Who are you talking to? But, yeah, so it's so important to know that we are there to answer every single question that you might have, but also to guide you into that process of saying yes and taking the necessary steps. And, with my background in promoting the island and being a travel content creator, I can help you with everything. Travel content creator, I can help you with everything. Like we have a whole list of hotels that you can choose from if you don't want to stay at the what I call the retreat headquarters, which is an amazing hotel, by the way. It is so cool. So I am really, really looking forward to all of that, but I'm also mostly looking forward to just welcoming the woman or the women that arrive, once they arrive and once we sit down together and we get to do all of these incredible.
Speaker 2:oh my gosh. Yes, this is going to be so good. I'm really, really excited about it, and I know you are as well.
Speaker 1:I can't stop smiling since we opened the doors to it, because I'm just so thrilled to be even doing it. And then to know that there are women who are going to be there and getting to go through this incredible experience and getting to enjoy all of the goodness that St Martin has to offer as well, it's incredible. I'm excited.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but it was so much fun when you and I were in the planning stages so we were thinking, oh yeah, this would be cool and that would be cool. What if we did this, what if we did that? So the excitement has been building for us for quite a while and now to be finally saying, to be able to say that, yes, it's open and that, yes, you can go to this website website and you can grab yourself one of the very limited, because that's one thing that we want to do is we want to keep it as intimate as possible, so we want to keep it small. So, yeah, if you go and for you to grab one of those limited spots, it's just, it's an incredible, incredible experience, and we, as the hosts of this retreat, are excited about it because we know the transformations that you're about to go through and have at the end of this.
Speaker 1:So, yes, Thank you so much.
Speaker 2:Yes, let's do, although it's actually linked in the show notes. So, after you've listened to this episode, run, do not walk Run to the show notes and just click on it. It is just one click away for you to say yes to this and for us to welcome you and Samaritan, and I'm really looking forward to that, you and Samaritan, and I'm really looking forward to that.
Speaker 1:You too. I just know that the coolest people are going to say yes, yes, it's just going to be the coolest people that we're going to get to hang out with.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, I just can't wait. I'm so excited about it and I'm so excited to pick you up from the airport.
Speaker 1:Same. You remember last year? I know what to do. I know what to do now. Yes, the only hiccup that we had at the airport was me to do now.
Speaker 2:Yes, the only hiccup that we had at the airport was me. Oh gosh, that was so much fun. I take a walk straight past you and the funny thing was that was the moment when we met in real life, which was so, so special and then just walk straight past you I didn't even see that you were sad. You know the one purple haired girl that you were sad that she wasn't.
Speaker 1:You know, the one purple haired girl.
Speaker 2:Incredible, but yes, so yeah, just go to the website and see what everything is included and to take advantage of the early bird special, because what you're going to get is not only a free upgrade to the VIP package, but you are also going to get so many goodies and bonuses. It's incredible. I'm really excited $700 off right now before April 1st I mean it's a lot, it's a whole ticket, that's a plane ticket right there, you know, yes, so, yeah, so, jen, any last words?
Speaker 1:Fear is there. What you said about fear it's always going to be there and you get to learn how to work with it, and there's no greater thing that you could teach yourself, because that is at the doorway to all possibilities for you, whether you're listening to Rizal's podcast, whether you do come with us to the retreat we hope that you do, because we know it's going to be incredible. Whatever you do, continue on this journey of learning to work with your fear and learning to step into the possibility that's on the other side of it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, good one.
Speaker 1:Thank you, Jen.
Speaker 2:And also female solo travel is the best.
Speaker 1:You learn so much about yourself when you travel by yourself.
Speaker 2:We didn't even talk about that. We didn't even talk about this. I had so many questions.
Speaker 1:We'll talk about it when you come on mine.
Speaker 2:I will. We will definitely. We need to talk about solo travel, because that's another thing that you and I have in common. Yes, yes, we are doing it. I am so excited for that as well. Thank you once more, jen. Thank you so much for your time.
Speaker 2:The best things in life come from trusting your gut and saying yes to yourself, and I wish we remember to do that more often. You know. So, if something in this episode has spoken to you, if you have now taken a liking to Jen, like I told you you would, if you are feeling that pull for adventure, for transformation, or you just need a fresh new start, then let this be your sign. You need to join us for the island's awakening luxury retreat in june this year. You will reconnect with yourself, you're going to reclaim your power, you are going to step into your confident era and you're going to experience the magic of this beautiful island that I call home, st Martin. Spots are limited, so I would love, love, love to have you there. We would love to have you there, so check out the link in the show notes for all of the details. I have packaged it very nice and tidy for you. All you have to do is click on this link and you're going to get all of the information that you need. Remember that we have an early bird special that ends on April 1st, so make sure that you grab those limited spots, because you know, like I said before, the spots are really, really limited because we're trying to keep this retreat very intimate and personal, okay, well, what is left for me to tell you other than you just need to join us and see martin. So, obviously, if you have any questions at all, please reach out. You can find me on social media instagram, tiktok, facebook and I'm there under the Traveling Island Girl, so you can find me under that handle name everywhere.
Speaker 2:And, of course, if you have enjoyed this episode, it goes without saying. Please subscribe, follow, leave a review and, of course, share it with someone who needs a little inspiration today. A review, and, of course, share it with someone who needs a little inspiration today and, who knows, maybe that friend that you're gonna share it with is gonna say you know what we should. Go together, let's travel down to saint martin. I cannot wait to welcome you here, seriously. So this is it for me. It is time for me to bid you adieu. Until next time. Keep saying yes to yourself and the life you are meant to live, because you, god darn, deserve it. Okay, all right, let's hang out together again next week. I will talk to you soon. Ciao for now, bye.
