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hello and welcome to another episode of the Top 100

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Clubhouse podcast

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I'm your host James Henderson and I'm with our editor

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top of the Top 100 golf course.com website

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Jasper Miners how you doing Jasper yeah doing well

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yeah it's great uh

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yeah didn't expect you uh to run into James near London

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today but uh it's nice it was a bit of a change

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and uh yeah nice to get out of the house

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it was a complete utter accident if anything

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it was a a rogue

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road trip and I think everyone needs to do that more

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it may not be the day for golf today North London

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but at least we managed to get a few things done

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when I walked when I first came up to Hadley

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Wood I looked out and I seen James

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uh James and he's like budgie

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budgie smugglers out there oh yeah and his wellies

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hitting a a bucket of balls

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but yeah no it's not a good day for golf

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it's draining

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all it's done is rain all day and I've been wandering

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around that golf course and I got soaked

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but the bunkers are still dry yeah yeah it's a

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it makes it makes a change um yeah North London

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Clyde Johnson has done quite a bit of work and Brett

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have come through the the Renaissance um

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kind of farm system if you will

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and worked their way through the ranks and are now

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architects in their own rights

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and yeah they've done some amazing work here obviously

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Brett's work stateside at Pasatiempo

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a couple of other Mackenzie courses

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there Clyde consults at numerous Mackenzie courses and

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this is one that's flown under the radar

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for quite a while but I think from next year um

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a lot more people are gonna start to hear about Hollywood in London

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yeah hundred percent it's a

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it's a very impressive site it's quite cool

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I did enjoy walking around it um and then we've been

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very kindly looked after by them they've uh

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they've let us film in their clubhouse and for our well

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uh firstly we're gonna cover over all the rankings

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around Christmas time

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Christmas time that's gonna be our year in review

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yeah yeah looking forward to it so yeah been

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been looking forward to this for for a while

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and we got lots I mean it's been a busy year

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top 1 hundred's in a really good place

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we feel like we've got lots of momentum

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and yeah we're excited about the year ahead

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okay so what's happening in the rankings

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what's happening around the rankings right now

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so this week we are putting out the New Zealand ranking

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uh next week uh we're a bit quieter

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I was asked if I would look after rankings uh

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so kind of one year into it and we've effectively

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quite a lot of depth of play in the Oceania region

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and we've given them effectively a carp carp launch

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tell us here's our guidance

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you tell us the courses that match up best to that

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there's been some movement at the top

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really switched on architecturally LED guys

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that are well played helping us out with our rankings

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without a doubt it is our best

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the combination of that is the Oceania

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rankings that will come out so

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not everybody's gonna agree with it even within

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higher than some of the other ones that you would

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perhaps if you were traditionalist in in the sand

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belt in Melbourne uh so

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uh those have their their fans

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but Saint Andrews Beach still ranks very highly um

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so look that that's the best thing about

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these rankings is that it stimulates debate

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really about right it's about having a list

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to go and check out

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you know you you get accusations

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of like all this is just clickbait

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or you guys are just trying to like be different or

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genuinely um we've never made a decision

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on a ranking to just

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make people like incense people to to stir the pot uh

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genuinely we feel that when we make these decisions

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when we put courses where they think they should be

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that is according to what we feel is important in golf

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that's a reflection of it um and Saint

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that you would find in Melbourne

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so it's it's a bit of a Marmite course not everybody

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understands it or gets it or feels that it fits

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pay to play I I think there's a bit of that there um

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enjoyed it but the round was long

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that basically had a load of beers and

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muscle shirts and swimming trunks and that's fine

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that's on offer there but the golf

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that a lot of these people have that a lot that maybe

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a person did have a bad round because it took

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that day but you need to be able to separate

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you you do get a lot of big courses in America

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it's probably not as good as I think it

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that it's almost like it has to be good

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that it has to be good because you put so much effort to get

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it's the only thing that you really have to go on is the quality and caliber of the golf

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that are a bit more rough ready rugged

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uh quirky bold interesting

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those have risen through the ranks and that wasn't any

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because of any moderation from my part

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or the world panel that was we had the right guys

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on the ground who get golf in New Zealand

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who looked at the guidance we gave them

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they played and they put Arrowtown on top now

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a lot of the comments we've had back

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I'm playing a golf course

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that I can't play anywhere else

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where if I go to some of the other ones um

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I can probably play those courses on most

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in most major golfing markets in Europe

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and that's all well and good

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but I think as a traveling golfer you want to be able to go and say I've played a really cool unique

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course that I could only find here

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two people complained about the Arrowhead

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the conditioning

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so you tagged them both in it and said you guys to have a game

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you try not to be too facetious

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when you're getting involved in socials

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but you do like it when and you can try and marry up

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two individuals that you you obviously

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see that they they love golf in a particular vein

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important to them is things like conditioning

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so it's like yeah it'll be very good for you guys to meet and have a game

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hopefully they they enjoy one another's company

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they sure they have a lot in common

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um engaging on Instagram absolutely brilliant um

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it is exciting because there

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you've put a huge amount of work in the last year into the rankings

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years in the past where a lot of the rankings

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have been decided by smaller groups

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a huge amount of days like you organise

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all those days across England to try and develop

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the regional rankings within England

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and it's starting to pay off and it's exciting it is um

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obviously we we had the regional events

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so what we wanna do is basically divide

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England into nine different regions

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and we set up the various events

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because we felt that there was gonna be more individuals

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that we didn't know

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personally through our social networks that would

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be an asset to top 100 and and the rankings

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um so we've had loads of people apply

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those were shortlisted we brought them to the events

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uh we kind of distilled down the individuals that were

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invited and we were left with between probably

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three to five people from each event

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that had depth of play in that particular region

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that had seen kind of the the heady heights of world

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golf uh played world top hundred stuff

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all the way down to like local clubs

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in their own area that you wouldn't see on top 100

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and their input's been particularly valuable

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so historically what's happened is

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that we always did a top down approach

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then they would work into the regions

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and those individuals on the region panel

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would decide the next lot

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and then it would go down to country

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so in this case you would have the world

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then you would have um

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GBI then you would have England

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and then you'd get down into the counties

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and what we found though was that

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if the panels above them

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using that kind of cascade approach

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if the panels above them had a particular slant

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or a view on things and there was only a few people that were contributing

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towards it there was courses that were pushing

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from the bottom up that never got the light of day

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so what we

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decided to do this time was to go from a county level

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so what we did was we asked everybody to

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uh give us their county rankings and

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in the past we've had roughly around 10 people

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maybe a little bit more in some cases

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that would contribute to these various uh rankings

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and they've done a very good job

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uh the foundation that's been laid

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has been brilliant and it's been decades in the making

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um but what we've done now is we've

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invited not just the the local individuals that have

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local play um but we have lots of individuals

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that perhaps were born and bred in GBI

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that have moved to America or

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they play a lot of great golf in America

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and they make yearly visits

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to England Scotland and Ireland to play golf

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and you've got individuals who have played

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the top 50 courses in England the top 50

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courses in Scotland and the top 30 courses in Ireland

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but because they didn't

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live here or because they didn't have

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like 80% of say the the top hundred in England

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we never consider them for a panel uh

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to to contribute towards it

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and that's one of the big changes that we've made

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so this time at last count

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we've had 78 different individuals

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contribute towards GBI so that's

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the the overall GBI ranking

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uh Ireland England Scotland

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um and Wales is a bit difficult uh

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because there's not a lot of people that have played in Wales

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so that panel is effectively stayed the same uh

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although Die's done a really good job but he's built

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quite a good panel already so he was

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he kind of got this already he got it before it even

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started to move to this direction absolutely so

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die's done a really good job obviously

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he's had a lot of help from Brian

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and then we've got a handful of other guys that have contributed

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towards that that have really

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stepped up and tried to get around and play so we're very confident

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with Wales I think that's a top 50 now so we're

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we're happy with where we've got it in Wales and there hasn't

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really been a lot of changes in the top 10 um

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but for the rest of the country as a whole we've got

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like almost seven times more people

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that are contributing towards

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giving us a really balanced

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kind of like broad church approach to rankings and so

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instead of going from like the top down and cascading

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where a lot of the big decisions

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have been made by the time you got down to

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let's say county level um

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in England or

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um let's say Berkshire or

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Surrey or whatever it might have been

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like the top five or six bases

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in all of those county rankings had had been decided

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and so you're dealing with a lot of the lower tier

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stuff

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where when we opened it up and we said look we're gonna turn this on its head

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and you can tell us

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what you think is good from the bottom up

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well who knows

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there if you live in the North East of England

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you're gonna know what's going on in those golf courses

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and what's appropriate

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and how much work they're putting into

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maintaining mowing lines or green sizes or whatever

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whereas a guy who's

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played last time he played it was 10 years ago

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can't do that definition

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well and that's the thing so I think

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when it comes to really high level stuff

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like World Hundred there's not a lot of movement like

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kind of the top 100 courses and maybe the next 50

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contenders

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unless you get some really cracking new builds like

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Tri or you know some some of these big

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they've got top notch architects

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unlimited budgets and great sites

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you can almost put them in and say okay well they

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we're thinking that that'll probably be a contender

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where

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or you get some other grades that have gone through

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significant amounts of restoration so Casa de

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Campo is another one that we've got on our radar uh

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Yale is another one that we're just waiting for so

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again previous top 100 courses

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that should be back better than ever um

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where will they enter again who knows

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will they enter again who knows um

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but then you contrast

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that with say like the corset say the lido

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um where like or Saint Patrick's

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where it just kind of enters

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in and it finds its space and universally it's

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it's almost accepted that it's one of the the greats

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as soon as it opens

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so but yeah getting back to to the UK

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I think what we've got now is a situation where

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we've got so much more data coming in

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it's allowed us to go back to kind of the base level

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and once you start getting those local um counties

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sorted

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then you go up to regions then you go up to country

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then you get fed back into GBI

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and then you kind of align that with the world

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that's really been

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good and it's challenged the status quo and we've

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had the benefit of having a lot more data to see these patterns

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emerge so I'm really excited

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we're working on it now we've kind of got a couple of final

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drafts for um England

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Scotland Northern Ireland and Ireland

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we've got a final draft for GBI

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obviously that will go through a bit of moderation um

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just to make sure that there's no anomalies

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and that it kind of follows

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through the the wishes of of the panel but yeah

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looking forward to seeing that land

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because I think it's gonna be probably the the best yet

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one thing that uh will be raised I definitely

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before anyone says it is uh we are down on Parkland

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and do you wanna give a we

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reason for that yeah it's an interesting one

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it's not that we don't like Parkland golf I mean

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we're both sat here at Parkland Golf Course

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Parkland Golf Course

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and you look around the UK and you've got

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excellent Parkland golf um

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even in just this part of London you've got

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Stoke Park not a million miles

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away you've got the Grove you've got Hadley Wood

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just down the road um you've got Ashridge

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you've got up near Birmingham um

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you you've got a lot of good there's a lot of good

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golf courses and I think the thing to keep in mind

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is that sometimes things are

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exciting or an anomaly for English golf

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so for example like Parklands

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when they're done well there's something different

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from links and heathlands they dominate

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and so sometimes I think from an English perspective is

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because it's new or exciting or different

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it gets a bit of a push up

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where if you go to America and you play Parkland golf

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the bar is so high for Parkland golf

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so when you get someone from an

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that has an international perspective of Parkland golf

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and they come in and look at Parkland golf in the UK

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and they compare it to what they've got locally in

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America

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you would look at Parkland golf in the UK and say

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it's a really good Parkland

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that should be like 75 in England and

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I think what we find is

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especially with the international um rankings they

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they look at the parklands

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that we have here and they say if this was in my own

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state it wouldn't even register in the top 50

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or the top hundred yeah

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but that's actually quite good because what's happening

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is that we're getting a

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a perspective that allows people to

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kind of see from a high level

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all these different types of golf

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and we we get a better perspective so if I'm an

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American and I'm coming over here

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and I go to the UK's best Parkland golf course

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it's probably doesn't compare it to

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yeah most of the high end Parkland in America

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we're here it's

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it's one of the best examples of its kind

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so it's obviously in the ranking

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where actually most traveling golfers would look at

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England and say I want to play

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links and I want to play heathland

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because that's what you guys do and that's what you guys do the best

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yeah so I think there is a little bit of a lean

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towards that I don't know if we've made a conscious

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effort to like weed out parklands

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but there definitely is uh that appetite

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and I think when we have the data

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feeding in from a lot of the international visitors

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um when they look at our Parkland golf courses

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they don't tend to do as well in the rankings

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simply because

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they're comparing it to a really high standard

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well they have much bigger budgets

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hugely more but um money to be able to

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and parklands very expensive to maintain

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to a high standard and I think that's what it is

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so the things that we say make golf great

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so short grass firm turf um

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landforms so topography

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um and turf conditions agronomy things like that

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those things usually either have to be maintained um

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massive investment in it

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and you need to be on a pretty cracking piece of land

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well this so

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the cost of sand capping is millions

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yeah the cost of tree removal is

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infinite because you can't get it

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so you know like it's a

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there's lots of different things that actually are

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within EU uh EU or UK red

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regulation that actually hinder

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the Parkland golf community

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as well it's not actually the quality of the

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golf course

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there's tree removals a big one absolutely so I mean it

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it it's one of those things where it's not that we don't like Parkland golf

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um we we do we think it's great um you and I

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we're heading over to the States

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this year we're gonna play uh

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hopefully quite a lot of golf in in in America

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uh some trips planned and Parkland will feature

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heavily in that yeah and we're

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excited about it yeah big time um

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it's not it's nothing to do

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it's nothing to do with that it's just more of the fact that

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we have to rate things on an international standard

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not on a local standard exactly

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and with that perspective that

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that just changes things and I think what we're seeing

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now is that because we've opened up

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uh contributions to the panel from an

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international perspective the things that England

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does really well Heathlands and links

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are kind of rising to the top so that'll be well

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let's be honest I'm as a Scotsman

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I'm not flying to Florence and eating fish and chips

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right exactly yeah so it might they might have some

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excellent fish and chips there I don't know

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never looked for it hahaha

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and that maybe proves the point

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the other thing that's really exciting

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about what's going on is

530
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,633
so historically top 100 and this has been a bit

531
00:22:37,700 --> 00:22:43,133
controversial uh internally as well is the desire to

532
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,900
realign the rankings and what we mean by that is

533
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,066
that the the rankings will be done geographically now

534
00:22:50,066 --> 00:22:51,633
based on county lines

535
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:55,100
so if you're from Canada it's the provinces

536
00:22:55,100 --> 00:22:58,000
if you're from the States it's the states um

537
00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:58,866
but we effectively

538
00:22:58,866 --> 00:23:00,766
wanted to do that for the website in the UK

539
00:23:00,866 --> 00:23:02,966
previously it's always been done by

540
00:23:04,900 --> 00:23:09,800
golf unions so these were you know effectively

541
00:23:10,666 --> 00:23:15,100
plain jurisdictions that had historic roots

542
00:23:15,100 --> 00:23:18,900
of previously established geographical boundaries

543
00:23:19,633 --> 00:23:22,300
so here in London is a good example um

544
00:23:22,633 --> 00:23:24,600
one of the big unions is Middlesex

545
00:23:24,866 --> 00:23:27,233
it it doesn't actually exist as a place anymore

546
00:23:27,233 --> 00:23:29,200
but we had a Middlesex ranking

547
00:23:29,533 --> 00:23:31,266
and a lot of county golfers

548
00:23:31,266 --> 00:23:33,900
would know Middlesex and knew what that was but if you were a travelling

549
00:23:33,900 --> 00:23:37,666
golfer from abroad or America

550
00:23:37,666 --> 00:23:39,533
and you wanted to know what was a good golf course

551
00:23:39,533 --> 00:23:41,066
in London you wouldn't

552
00:23:41,066 --> 00:23:42,800
know that you needed to look at the Middlesex

553
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,300
ranking to find out I don't think I could point

554
00:23:45,300 --> 00:23:46,400
Middlesex on a map

555
00:23:46,433 --> 00:23:49,033
so and and that and that's the point so

556
00:23:49,233 --> 00:23:52,933
you know if if as a British person or a Scotsman

557
00:23:53,033 --> 00:23:55,900
was was near London looking for golf um

558
00:23:56,233 --> 00:23:58,800
you know if Middlesex wasn't in your general

559
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,366
awareness or consciousness

560
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,233
then it would be very difficult to find the golf course

561
00:24:02,233 --> 00:24:04,566
you wanted to play so we've taken a stance where

562
00:24:04,733 --> 00:24:07,033
we we know the golf course is predominantly

563
00:24:07,033 --> 00:24:09,733
used by individuals who are planning golf trips

564
00:24:10,100 --> 00:24:12,566
whether that's internationally or within country

565
00:24:13,133 --> 00:24:17,066
so we felt that it was best to align the rankings

566
00:24:17,066 --> 00:24:18,833
with geographic boundaries

567
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,100
so we will have a a London ranking

568
00:24:21,100 --> 00:24:25,200
we will have the major counties represented and the um

569
00:24:25,333 --> 00:24:27,933
the regions as well but interestingly

570
00:24:27,933 --> 00:24:30,066
one of the things that come up is not just London

571
00:24:30,066 --> 00:24:31,566
that's one of the major changes

572
00:24:31,666 --> 00:24:34,700
but the North West you mentioned it previously

573
00:24:35,033 --> 00:24:37,900
um but counties like Merseyside

574
00:24:38,233 --> 00:24:41,300
Merseyside might just be the best

575
00:24:41,500 --> 00:24:43,633
golfing county in the country

576
00:24:43,633 --> 00:24:45,933
I've been saying it for years so everybody

577
00:24:45,933 --> 00:24:48,000
talks about like Surrey Barkshire down in London

578
00:24:48,133 --> 00:24:50,166
um and it's true

579
00:24:50,333 --> 00:24:53,733
um there's great golf there and it's really top heavy

580
00:24:54,066 --> 00:24:55,466
um barkshire

581
00:24:55,466 --> 00:24:57,900
probably has the best Surrey probably has the deepest

582
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,566
but like when you look at the North West and Merseyside

583
00:25:02,866 --> 00:25:03,433
basically

584
00:25:03,433 --> 00:25:06,000
from Hoylake up to Birkdale and all those courses

585
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,166
on that coast it's incredible

586
00:25:07,233 --> 00:25:08,933
there's like 10 or 12 golf courses

587
00:25:08,933 --> 00:25:12,000
there that you would happily go and play oh um

588
00:25:12,133 --> 00:25:14,400
unbelievable all in one county yeah

589
00:25:14,433 --> 00:25:16,600
and it's the first time that we've been able to

590
00:25:16,900 --> 00:25:22,400
effectively do a a ranking for Merseyside proper so

591
00:25:22,833 --> 00:25:24,666
I think that's quite good where you

592
00:25:24,666 --> 00:25:26,866
you start to get some of these things emerge

593
00:25:26,866 --> 00:25:27,733
where previously

594
00:25:27,733 --> 00:25:29,266
you've got courses that are being compared

595
00:25:29,266 --> 00:25:32,500
against each other that have never been ranked before

596
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:34,133
so when you rank this course

597
00:25:34,133 --> 00:25:35,333
against that course and you

598
00:25:35,333 --> 00:25:37,166
were previously in different rankings

599
00:25:37,533 --> 00:25:40,133
um now there's that question of well

600
00:25:40,266 --> 00:25:42,000
is this course better than this course

601
00:25:42,700 --> 00:25:46,200
and that's given us

602
00:25:47,700 --> 00:25:50,200
a a lot of interesting data but then the

603
00:25:50,200 --> 00:25:52,366
results of that have been really interesting as well

604
00:25:52,500 --> 00:25:56,166
so I'm looking forward to seeing how that plays out um

605
00:25:56,700 --> 00:26:00,500
it's it's a bit of a change it marks a a difference

606
00:26:00,500 --> 00:26:03,166
um people probably see things a little bit differently

607
00:26:03,900 --> 00:26:07,266
but it's good it's it allows us to look at

608
00:26:07,266 --> 00:26:09,566
the golf courses that we've been ranking historically

609
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,800
in a new light with fresh eyes

610
00:26:11,866 --> 00:26:14,233
with a lot more people contributing

611
00:26:14,333 --> 00:26:17,166
and the results I I wouldn't say we're

612
00:26:17,533 --> 00:26:19,700
revolutionary they were probably

613
00:26:19,700 --> 00:26:22,300
evolutionary yeah but in a good way

614
00:26:22,333 --> 00:26:23,833
it's a very exciting time

615
00:26:23,900 --> 00:26:26,233
yeah it's very exciting time and

616
00:26:26,666 --> 00:26:30,233
just from being part of that process and I know you've

617
00:26:30,233 --> 00:26:31,000
done

618
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,933
almost all the work so apart from the people that have handed in their

619
00:26:34,933 --> 00:26:35,733
thoughts

620
00:26:36,100 --> 00:26:38,100
and watching it develop and grow

621
00:26:38,100 --> 00:26:40,933
over the last year has been very cool to

622
00:26:40,933 --> 00:26:42,966
see that development and

623
00:26:43,266 --> 00:26:44,666
you turn to me occasionally and

624
00:26:44,666 --> 00:26:46,200
say oh what do you think about this and say

625
00:26:46,233 --> 00:26:48,433
well that's pretty fucking cool ha ha ha ha ha

626
00:26:48,666 --> 00:26:50,700
yeah that's I like that that's cool well

627
00:26:50,700 --> 00:26:53,400
and it's it's those kind of the things that um

628
00:26:53,466 --> 00:26:55,166
you get excited about right

629
00:26:55,466 --> 00:26:57,633
and and I'll be honest with you like uh

630
00:26:57,633 --> 00:27:02,766
as far as contributing my thoughts towards the panel um

631
00:27:03,466 --> 00:27:04,700
once we've got all the data

632
00:27:04,700 --> 00:27:07,666
in and we sit down and look at it of course

633
00:27:07,666 --> 00:27:09,300
there's a couple of things where

634
00:27:09,300 --> 00:27:10,533
by and large like a panel

635
00:27:10,533 --> 00:27:11,733
will say I think this course

636
00:27:11,733 --> 00:27:13,033
is better than that course

637
00:27:13,233 --> 00:27:17,700
and I look at it and I say personally I don't agree um

638
00:27:17,733 --> 00:27:21,366
but these it's not my panel it's not my ranking

639
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,500
you know I I can do my own ranking but no one's

640
00:27:23,500 --> 00:27:25,433
interested in that um

641
00:27:25,633 --> 00:27:27,633
yeah it's just a bunch of random things

642
00:27:27,633 --> 00:27:30,300
random golf courses no one's ever heard of it's working

643
00:27:31,466 --> 00:27:31,600
with

644
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:34,033
lots of livestock and like why your fences are around

645
00:27:34,700 --> 00:27:38,000
so the average green speed is 3 3

646
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:40,566
yeah exactly

647
00:27:40,933 --> 00:27:43,566
and and and no one would really want to play

648
00:27:43,633 --> 00:27:45,633
the type of golf that I I really

649
00:27:45,633 --> 00:27:48,900
enjoy or how I enjoy it I mean it it's a it's an

650
00:27:48,900 --> 00:27:51,066
interesting one I I was looking at the English

651
00:27:51,066 --> 00:27:53,600
ranking this morning as we were putting it together uh

652
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:54,400
and I would say that's

653
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,233
that's the thing to keep in mind so

654
00:27:56,233 --> 00:27:58,366
although I'm responsible for

655
00:27:58,433 --> 00:28:01,233
the rankings quote unquote um

656
00:28:01,233 --> 00:28:03,433
it doesn't mean I have to be involved in them

657
00:28:03,433 --> 00:28:06,300
or that I need to necessarily contribute towards them

658
00:28:06,300 --> 00:28:07,833
you're a collector not a

659
00:28:07,933 --> 00:28:11,466
you manage the system that is you've created a system

660
00:28:11,466 --> 00:28:14,100
that means that you can get the best out of what

661
00:28:14,100 --> 00:28:15,666
these people's opinions are

662
00:28:15,666 --> 00:28:17,733
and that's right if we feed the right information

663
00:28:17,733 --> 00:28:19,833
in one end once it goes through we should get

664
00:28:19,833 --> 00:28:20,633
the right information

665
00:28:20,633 --> 00:28:24,133
out the other end and and that's where I think it's

666
00:28:24,133 --> 00:28:27,433
it's been good we've got a lot more people involved um

667
00:28:27,866 --> 00:28:30,866
and in sometimes when we look at

668
00:28:30,866 --> 00:28:33,433
like historic data compared to what we've got now

669
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,166
we've had a lot of things right um

670
00:28:36,300 --> 00:28:38,433
but it's been nice to have a fresh perspective

671
00:28:38,433 --> 00:28:42,300
and I'm very happy with where it's at and of course it'll move on every year

672
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:43,900
things change and evolve

673
00:28:44,900 --> 00:28:47,233
the way people see things the way they experience them

674
00:28:47,233 --> 00:28:49,633
when they get to see more in golf and they realize what's

675
00:28:49,633 --> 00:28:50,700
important in golf

676
00:28:51,866 --> 00:28:53,033
often times

677
00:28:53,233 --> 00:28:55,900
you know that changes people's perspectives but

678
00:28:55,900 --> 00:28:58,500
yeah I'm excited about the release for

679
00:28:59,066 --> 00:29:03,133
GB and I we've also got Spain and Portugal it

680
00:29:03,133 --> 00:29:04,666
we've got an amazing

681
00:29:04,666 --> 00:29:08,700
panel shout out to those guys Spain is probably our

682
00:29:09,433 --> 00:29:11,000
it's obviously a reflection of the culture

683
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:12,633
but like that WhatsApp group

684
00:29:12,666 --> 00:29:16,200
is just like every morning I wake up and there's just tons of messages in Spain

685
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:17,000
hahaha

686
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,400
and they they just love it and they're

687
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,733
they're all for it so they've done a tremendous

688
00:29:21,733 --> 00:29:23,500
amount of work they've got through

689
00:29:23,533 --> 00:29:26,400
I know it's a big market for us is like um

690
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,433
Brits traveling for winter golf to Spain and Portugal

691
00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:30,766
so

692
00:29:31,433 --> 00:29:32,733
that's one that's quite exciting

693
00:29:32,733 --> 00:29:34,933
and there has been quite a bit of change there

694
00:29:35,266 --> 00:29:36,066
but getting

695
00:29:36,066 --> 00:29:38,733
again getting the right guys and letting them just get on with it

696
00:29:38,933 --> 00:29:40,966
that's the interesting thing right so

697
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,333
I've been to some of the Spanish courses

698
00:29:44,666 --> 00:29:46,800
across the years I've grown up in Britain

699
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,500
you'd go to Spain it's like a

700
00:29:48,500 --> 00:29:51,200
normal thing people do and uh

701
00:29:52,433 --> 00:29:54,600
it's like Americans going to Florida

702
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:59,200
so and there's a bit of a kinship to the two

703
00:30:00,133 --> 00:30:03,200
there's some great golf and there's some absolute

704
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,933
normal average stuff yeah and

705
00:30:07,833 --> 00:30:09,733
some of the stuff that I have played historically

706
00:30:09,733 --> 00:30:11,933
that would have been on Spanish rankings

707
00:30:12,700 --> 00:30:14,933
not high up let's be honest but

708
00:30:15,100 --> 00:30:16,700
would have been on there might have been

709
00:30:16,700 --> 00:30:19,233
attached to a smart hotel might have been

710
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:21,133
I don't know

711
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,566
something to do with it that made the environment of it

712
00:30:24,833 --> 00:30:25,900
feel like the golf course

713
00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:27,433
is better so it's really exciting

714
00:30:27,433 --> 00:30:29,500
to see that Spanish ranking go out

715
00:30:29,933 --> 00:30:32,333
with an actual bunch of people who care

716
00:30:32,333 --> 00:30:34,200
so deeply about great golf

717
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,633
yeah and and that's the thing I think

718
00:30:35,633 --> 00:30:39,633
the majority of our Spanish panel uh they are Spaniards

719
00:30:40,133 --> 00:30:41,800
uh or Portuguese

720
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,800
but they are members at Scottish clubs

721
00:30:44,933 --> 00:30:47,133
or they spend like a few months out of the year

722
00:30:47,666 --> 00:30:48,666
travelling and playing

723
00:30:48,666 --> 00:30:50,700
great golf either in America or other

724
00:30:50,700 --> 00:30:52,233
places in the world but they're

725
00:30:52,700 --> 00:30:54,733
have a depth of play everywhere and

726
00:30:54,733 --> 00:30:57,833
and those are the same types of guys that have been able to contribute towards

727
00:30:57,833 --> 00:31:00,100
like the English so

728
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,933
having their perspective has been really good because

729
00:31:03,333 --> 00:31:05,466
if you were raised in that environment and you're playing

730
00:31:05,466 --> 00:31:08,533
those golf courses to to have a really

731
00:31:08,533 --> 00:31:11,033
good understanding of what makes golf great

732
00:31:11,066 --> 00:31:13,833
like you really have to work for it the process isn't

733
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:14,933
done yet though

734
00:31:14,933 --> 00:31:18,000
there's a huge amount of areas around the globe that

735
00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:21,100
you still are looking for rankers and Raiders

736
00:31:21,100 --> 00:31:24,600
and we'll be doing a lot more events around that

737
00:31:25,133 --> 00:31:29,000
um have you got any specific places that you're

738
00:31:29,233 --> 00:31:32,233
yes we're working on a a couple of things um

739
00:31:32,666 --> 00:31:35,300
we've had some uh events that we were

740
00:31:35,300 --> 00:31:37,400
talking to various clubs in Scotland this year

741
00:31:37,433 --> 00:31:39,300
so hopefully we'll have uh

742
00:31:39,533 --> 00:31:41,666
three maybe four events in Scotland

743
00:31:41,666 --> 00:31:44,200
which would be quite good to to look forward to

744
00:31:44,433 --> 00:31:46,933
um and we've got some exciting partners as well

745
00:31:47,033 --> 00:31:50,300
so I know we've been talking with Neil from Fife um

746
00:31:50,566 --> 00:31:51,933
so yeah looking

747
00:31:51,933 --> 00:31:54,233
forward to doing more with them hopefully that all comes to

748
00:31:54,233 --> 00:31:55,533
fruition I'm sure it will

749
00:31:56,266 --> 00:31:58,133
but we're talking with some hotels

750
00:31:58,133 --> 00:32:00,133
and some golf clubs to make sure that those are like

751
00:32:00,133 --> 00:32:03,700
premium premium events great golf courses

752
00:32:04,333 --> 00:32:06,000
but also they'll be opportunities

753
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,400
for people to get involved if they want to get

754
00:32:09,266 --> 00:32:10,066
kind of

755
00:32:10,700 --> 00:32:14,000
in with the the ranking slash panelist process

756
00:32:14,533 --> 00:32:19,533
uh we'd also like to do some stuff in Dublin um and if

757
00:32:19,533 --> 00:32:21,900
if we can get at least one or 2 in

758
00:32:21,900 --> 00:32:24,133
in 1 in Northern Ireland one in Dublin

759
00:32:24,233 --> 00:32:26,333
and if we can do it maybe a couple more

760
00:32:26,333 --> 00:32:29,300
uh maybe done in Galway and then down to the southwest

761
00:32:29,533 --> 00:32:32,000
so it'd be nice to to see if we could deepen in

762
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,300
Ireland as well because we we definitely need some some

763
00:32:35,466 --> 00:32:38,133
more depth there we've got some very good

764
00:32:38,266 --> 00:32:41,366
individuals that help us out in Ireland

765
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,033
and they have for quite a few years um

766
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:46,266
they they're great but

767
00:32:46,266 --> 00:32:48,200
we just need more voices to be heard

768
00:32:48,266 --> 00:32:50,300
uh that have seen some of the depth stuff

769
00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:51,566
in and around Ireland

770
00:32:52,066 --> 00:32:54,466
uh cause there's some cracking golf out there that

771
00:32:54,466 --> 00:32:57,833
again it's just hard to see at all um

772
00:32:57,933 --> 00:33:01,533
I spent a little bit of time in Ireland I think I spent 10 weeks there this year

773
00:33:01,533 --> 00:33:03,000
traveling and playing golf

774
00:33:03,333 --> 00:33:06,966
and I mean there was a lot of draws I'll be honest

775
00:33:07,133 --> 00:33:09,400
uh some of the the little kind of like

776
00:33:09,833 --> 00:33:11,500
nine hole links courses

777
00:33:12,333 --> 00:33:15,000
the best bit was I was a quick story I was in

778
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:17,133
Mallory which is on in Mayo

779
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,066
or on the at least on the west side I don't know exactly

780
00:33:20,066 --> 00:33:22,700
which which area it's in I think it's Mayo

781
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:26,400
and I went to a couple other courses one was Duhoma

782
00:33:26,500 --> 00:33:29,133
Duhoma d double o H o m a

783
00:33:29,533 --> 00:33:31,033
and it was like five miles

784
00:33:31,033 --> 00:33:33,233
away from the next golf course that I went to

785
00:33:33,300 --> 00:33:36,700
and they said oh where have you been this morning and I told them and they had never even heard of that golf

786
00:33:36,700 --> 00:33:37,733
course that I was at

787
00:33:41,500 --> 00:33:44,800
but it just shows you that um like there's these

788
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,266
really small golf courses

789
00:33:46,266 --> 00:33:48,333
that have a handful of local members

790
00:33:48,333 --> 00:33:50,000
that are tended to by sheep

791
00:33:50,266 --> 00:33:52,166
that are in some pretty cool locations

792
00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:53,500
um

793
00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:56,433
and most of the time you show up you put your five or ten

794
00:33:56,533 --> 00:33:57,333
uh

795
00:33:57,333 --> 00:34:02,533
euro in in an envelope in an honesty box you play and

796
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,600
that'll be your one and only time to go because it's not worth going

797
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,333
back but every once in a while

798
00:34:08,333 --> 00:34:11,733
you get like a cracking golf course um

799
00:34:12,100 --> 00:34:15,566
that defies expectations and actually delivers

800
00:34:15,733 --> 00:34:18,866
and Mallory was a good example of that I've been back a few times

801
00:34:18,866 --> 00:34:22,033
that's not the first time I've been so I knew that it was worth going to see

802
00:34:22,333 --> 00:34:25,333
and every time I go and play it it's a great little 9 hole golf course

803
00:34:25,333 --> 00:34:27,266
um so

804
00:34:27,266 --> 00:34:29,933
we're always on the lookout for those types of things

805
00:34:30,066 --> 00:34:33,666
and I've played a lot of golf courses just kind of like

806
00:34:33,666 --> 00:34:34,466
scrolling through

807
00:34:34,466 --> 00:34:37,233
Google Maps to try and find something that looks like it on links

808
00:34:37,233 --> 00:34:40,533
land and have driven played

809
00:34:40,633 --> 00:34:43,733
and will never go back but you're always in this pursuit

810
00:34:43,733 --> 00:34:46,500
for like kind of that last hidden gem

811
00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:47,633
I mean the west of Scotland is

812
00:34:47,633 --> 00:34:51,366
another good example and all of the islands yeah um

813
00:34:51,700 --> 00:34:56,000
on the off the west coast it's it also is seeing

814
00:34:56,500 --> 00:34:59,533
uniqueness cause a lot of these places weren't built

815
00:34:59,533 --> 00:35:01,833
or designed by anyone of note

816
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,566
no probably the local farmer or postie or whatever

817
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:07,733
and it's a natural site

818
00:35:07,733 --> 00:35:10,966
that they've just mowed a green out mowed the Fairway

819
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:14,133
and probably never seen a digger exactly

820
00:35:14,333 --> 00:35:18,133
uh so you get do get unique features that you can then

821
00:35:18,133 --> 00:35:19,700
turn around and be like actually I

822
00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:22,466
saw this bump on this hole that was very cool and

823
00:35:22,466 --> 00:35:24,633
and that's I think that's what you're looking for is it

824
00:35:24,633 --> 00:35:28,800
the maybe these guys we're in an area now where

825
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,566
a time where perhaps we know too much um

826
00:35:31,733 --> 00:35:34,333
you know if you go online you can find drone

827
00:35:34,333 --> 00:35:35,200
footage and flyovers

828
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,400
of almost every great golf course that there is

829
00:35:37,533 --> 00:35:41,700
and that's brilliant um but it's a lot of these little

830
00:35:41,933 --> 00:35:43,733
and to use an overused expression like hidden

831
00:35:43,733 --> 00:35:46,500
gems that you really want to try and seek out and see

832
00:35:46,666 --> 00:35:48,400
and when you think about the amount of golf courses

833
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:50,800
like we've got say top 100 England

834
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,433
we got our county level stuff but when you add

835
00:35:53,466 --> 00:35:55,500
it all up it's a few hundred golf courses

836
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,200
um but there's thousands

837
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,733
out there just in just in England and it like

838
00:36:00,900 --> 00:36:02,333
is there one or two courses

839
00:36:02,333 --> 00:36:05,233
out there that everyone's sleeping on that

840
00:36:05,300 --> 00:36:06,933
we just haven't found yet

841
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:09,033
and and I I do think they're there

842
00:36:09,533 --> 00:36:11,900
um and it's trying to shine a light on that so

843
00:36:11,900 --> 00:36:14,500
yeah if anyone wants to get involved um

844
00:36:14,700 --> 00:36:17,600
if you have a good understanding of architecture

845
00:36:17,700 --> 00:36:20,100
if you have a working knowledge of agronomy

846
00:36:21,033 --> 00:36:25,266
um if you've seen kind of like the the best of golf

847
00:36:25,266 --> 00:36:28,233
and that's say world top 100 from the British Isles

848
00:36:28,233 --> 00:36:29,233
or maybe stateside

849
00:36:29,233 --> 00:36:32,533
if you've been privileged enough to be over there um

850
00:36:32,900 --> 00:36:34,066
and and you

851
00:36:34,066 --> 00:36:36,766
you have a working knowledge of those things

852
00:36:37,033 --> 00:36:39,133
then you're qualified to be a panelist

853
00:36:39,133 --> 00:36:43,100
your your view is important to us so that's

854
00:36:44,500 --> 00:36:46,900
that's what's exciting about 2026

855
00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:48,333
uh we'll deepen our panels

856
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,600
we'll continue to to build this structure out

857
00:36:51,900 --> 00:36:54,833
um and then we'll start to get into America as well

858
00:36:55,933 --> 00:36:58,733
we did really well with Canada this year we've got a great

859
00:36:58,733 --> 00:37:00,800
uh panel in Canada that's done very

860
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,533
very good we got a top 100 with 50 contenders

861
00:37:04,033 --> 00:37:05,433
that was very well received

862
00:37:06,533 --> 00:37:09,633
uh controversially but we we think well received

863
00:37:10,233 --> 00:37:13,333
um America Top 100 is fine um

864
00:37:13,333 --> 00:37:15,100
we think we have a really good handle on the really

865
00:37:15,100 --> 00:37:16,833
really top tier stuff in America

866
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:20,433
but once we get down into the the States

867
00:37:20,533 --> 00:37:21,800
we need a bit more help

868
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,166
so we do alright in places like

869
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,800
New York California Texas we've got a great

870
00:37:27,933 --> 00:37:29,400
panel that's being built

871
00:37:30,100 --> 00:37:34,033
Utah yeah kind of the major golf markets but

872
00:37:34,266 --> 00:37:37,900
there's places out there that we just need more help um

873
00:37:38,733 --> 00:37:41,633
and like I say we we have a good handle on the USA

874
00:37:41,633 --> 00:37:42,233
Top 100

875
00:37:42,233 --> 00:37:44,500
because most of our guys are members of those clubs

876
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:46,466
and they travel and play most of those clubs

877
00:37:46,466 --> 00:37:48,933
on a yearly basis so we know

878
00:37:50,133 --> 00:37:53,266
yeah what's good and what's what but once we get lower

879
00:37:53,266 --> 00:37:55,400
into the lower tier stuff in state

880
00:37:55,533 --> 00:37:58,133
that's where I need a bit of help so if you're listening to the podcast

881
00:37:58,300 --> 00:37:59,833
you wanna get involved

882
00:38:00,100 --> 00:38:04,033
uh reach out give us a DM we'll be able to find it um

883
00:38:04,066 --> 00:38:05,100
or give us an email

884
00:38:05,100 --> 00:38:08,233
and yeah we can have a chat and we can see if you can help

885
00:38:08,500 --> 00:38:10,933
yeah I know it's super exciting and uh

886
00:38:10,933 --> 00:38:12,500
over the next few years we will definitely

887
00:38:12,500 --> 00:38:15,733
be doing more events around places like the States

888
00:38:16,300 --> 00:38:17,700
um but we're

889
00:38:17,700 --> 00:38:19,900
sorting out where we live first and then we'll ha

890
00:38:19,900 --> 00:38:22,700
ha that's right uh come over and say hi

891
00:38:23,300 --> 00:38:25,066
I think that's pretty much everything

892
00:38:25,066 --> 00:38:27,666
we need to talk about in the online yeah for rankings

893
00:38:27,666 --> 00:38:29,533
yeah I think that's pretty much covered it obviously

894
00:38:29,533 --> 00:38:31,633
there'll be a little bit more um

895
00:38:32,533 --> 00:38:36,100
content when we push these out I will be looking to to

896
00:38:36,100 --> 00:38:37,300
kind of tell the clubs a little bit

897
00:38:37,300 --> 00:38:39,600
beforehand so that they can uh

898
00:38:39,633 --> 00:38:40,933
the ones that have gone up obviously

899
00:38:40,933 --> 00:38:42,433
will be excited about their new positions

900
00:38:42,433 --> 00:38:43,966
the ones that have gone down well

901
00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:47,066
um if you're being mentioned in a top 100

902
00:38:47,066 --> 00:38:48,233
anywhere in the UK

903
00:38:48,833 --> 00:38:50,533
Scotland England or or Ireland

904
00:38:50,533 --> 00:38:53,800
like that's a huge accomplishment so and

905
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,333
and I think the other thing to mention with rankings is

906
00:38:56,866 --> 00:38:59,000
just because you've gone down doesn't necessarily mean

907
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:00,333
you've done anything wrong

908
00:39:00,866 --> 00:39:01,666
um

909
00:39:02,333 --> 00:39:05,433
the the standard of golf is is rising

910
00:39:05,433 --> 00:39:06,633
quite a lot in the UK

911
00:39:06,633 --> 00:39:09,200
there's a lot of money being spent on golf as well and

912
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:12,866
and that could just be part of it too is that it's not necessarily that you've gotten

913
00:39:12,866 --> 00:39:14,633
worse it's just that maybe your peers

914
00:39:14,633 --> 00:39:16,900
have just edged you out on this

915
00:39:17,133 --> 00:39:21,133
this cycle yeah but give it a year or two and you know

916
00:39:21,133 --> 00:39:24,066
investment do the right work the right way and

917
00:39:24,066 --> 00:39:26,266
there's lots of places like here at Hadley Wood

918
00:39:26,266 --> 00:39:26,900
that are spending

919
00:39:26,900 --> 00:39:28,933
huge amount of money and effort and time

920
00:39:28,933 --> 00:39:30,500
in developing and

921
00:39:31,100 --> 00:39:34,500
uh the whole package of what they offer and

922
00:39:34,933 --> 00:39:37,233
uh they've just done a full bunker renovation

923
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:41,833
uh with Clyde Johnson who we as you know is a great yup

924
00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:46,233
uh a a great architect and it means

925
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:48,533
that a lot of the bunkers

926
00:39:48,533 --> 00:39:50,366
don't have sand to them right now but

927
00:39:50,500 --> 00:39:51,600
come the summer they will

928
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,533
and it will start to look amazing

929
00:39:53,900 --> 00:39:56,533
and then our England ranking comes out in January

930
00:39:56,666 --> 00:39:57,733
that and that's the thing

931
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:01,433
so there's a lot of investments being done um

932
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:03,433
so I mean I was talking to

933
00:40:03,433 --> 00:40:06,366
an owner of a golf club not that long ago where

934
00:40:06,633 --> 00:40:09,900
in the past historically they were in the

935
00:40:10,233 --> 00:40:11,700
uh the England

936
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:17,233
ranking they dropped out and then they've reentered

937
00:40:18,466 --> 00:40:20,100
and when they reentered

938
00:40:20,100 --> 00:40:21,866
after doing a load of work and the course

939
00:40:21,866 --> 00:40:23,900
is probably better now than it ever was previously

940
00:40:23,900 --> 00:40:25,966
when it was previously ranked uh ranked

941
00:40:26,233 --> 00:40:30,300
and they they weren't as high and yeah very astutely

942
00:40:30,300 --> 00:40:32,500
he said well it's not that we haven't done great work

943
00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:32,800
it's just

944
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,733
everybody else has also done good work as well so

945
00:40:35,733 --> 00:40:38,433
that that's the thing to keep in mind is at the end of the day rankings

946
00:40:38,433 --> 00:40:40,100
are subjective um

947
00:40:40,433 --> 00:40:44,433
you know if you're not talking about 48 and 51 yeah

948
00:40:45,066 --> 00:40:47,233
no but the thing is you in England

949
00:40:47,233 --> 00:40:48,833
people I don't think people realize how deep

950
00:40:48,833 --> 00:40:50,166
England goes um

951
00:40:50,300 --> 00:40:53,333
as a Scotsman it's hard for me to say it but

952
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:56,433
our hundredth ranked golf course

953
00:40:56,633 --> 00:40:59,333
versus England's hundredth ranked golf course

954
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,000
it's a no brainer who you go play yep

955
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:03,933
England is incredibly deep um

956
00:41:04,700 --> 00:41:06,700
and there's a lot of good golf around

957
00:41:06,833 --> 00:41:09,333
you know maybe that's one thing to end on to is the

958
00:41:09,633 --> 00:41:11,300
when we are looking at the contenders

959
00:41:11,300 --> 00:41:14,333
list for England there's um I think we've had

960
00:41:14,466 --> 00:41:17,566
something like between 40 and 50 golf courses

961
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,600
and if you were to ask our panel

962
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:26,333
out of the 60 courses from like 91 to 150

963
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,800
pick 10 that we can put in

964
00:41:30,300 --> 00:41:34,200
those last 10 spots so 91 to 100 um

965
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,600
like the range that you get in those answers is

966
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:39,666
phenomenal yeah because there's

967
00:41:39,666 --> 00:41:42,566
you know out of every one that you pick there's five that won't make it

968
00:41:42,633 --> 00:41:43,933
and

969
00:41:44,733 --> 00:41:48,500
that's just good to keep in mind so even if you don't get into it

970
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,033
it doesn't mean that you don't have a fighting

971
00:41:50,033 --> 00:41:51,833
chance and it doesn't mean that

972
00:41:51,833 --> 00:41:53,766
you know you're not gonna make it in next time

973
00:41:53,866 --> 00:41:55,733
so yeah it's exciting

974
00:41:55,733 --> 00:41:58,333
um but I think we've got a really robust process

975
00:41:58,333 --> 00:41:59,433
we've had more contributions

976
00:41:59,433 --> 00:42:01,466
than we've ever had before uh

977
00:42:01,466 --> 00:42:04,500
once you kind of layer in all of that data you start to see some trends

978
00:42:04,500 --> 00:42:08,000
emerge and you can really start to see how

979
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:08,733
people are seeing

980
00:42:08,733 --> 00:42:10,633
golf based on the criteria that we've set

981
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:14,200
so yeah it's exciting but I'm looking forward to it uh

982
00:42:14,833 --> 00:42:15,833
Spring's gonna be interesting

983
00:42:15,833 --> 00:42:16,733
we got a nice little build

984
00:42:16,733 --> 00:42:19,166
with a lot of ranking releases up until the Masters

985
00:42:19,466 --> 00:42:22,600
and then kind of playing season officially kicks off

986
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:24,700
officially unofficially with the The Masters

987
00:42:25,133 --> 00:42:27,200
and yeah then we'll be into uh

988
00:42:27,333 --> 00:42:30,200
more playing content which can't wait to because

989
00:42:30,500 --> 00:42:33,200
yeah being inside looking at spreadsheets and screens

990
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:34,133
there's yeah it's

991
00:42:34,333 --> 00:42:38,100
find out amount of time that remains fun is getting uh

992
00:42:38,466 --> 00:42:41,633
winter can piss off now hahaha agreed hahaha

993
00:42:42,066 --> 00:42:44,900
OK well thank you very much Jasper um and

994
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,733
uh thank you very much for everyone who's listening

995
00:42:47,266 --> 00:42:49,100
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996
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