Episode 105: Golf Course Architecture from an Amateur Player's Perspective with Luke Hodgetts

In this episode of Top 100 Clubhouse, James and Jasper sit down with amateur golfer and golf videographer Luke Hodgetts to explore the game through the lens of a competitive amateur player. 

From storytelling in golf videography to filming at Royal Melbourne, Luke shares how his perspective has evolved, and how his playing style informs how much he enjoys the architecture of a course. Jasper also provides us with deep bunker insight, and briefly explores why different players might prefer strategic vs. penal designs. 

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Chapters

00:00 – Intro
01:00 – How Luke Hodgetts Got Started in Golf
04:51 – Luke’s Amateur Golf History
10:30 – Rory McIlroy & Royal Melbourne
12:45 – Filming at Kingston Heath
14:58 – YouTube Plans, Business Model & Rankings
18:50 – Capturing the Essence of Courses
25:39 – The History and Thinking Behind Naturalised Bunkers
30:30 – Luke’s Personal Favourite Golf Courses
36:30 – Why is Conditioning Often Overlooked?
39:59 – Closing Thoughts

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Transcript

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I mean the game is an amateur game

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I mean the professional side of it

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you know

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there are idols and heroes and fun to watch them play

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but I mean if it weren't for amateur golf

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there would be no golf

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you have to remember when you play a golf course

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and you're out there for four hours or whatever

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you're only hitting the

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you're only hitting a ball for what

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15 minutes of that

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so there's a lot of time to look around

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hello and welcome to another episode of Top 100

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Clubhouse Podcast I'm your host

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James Henchman I'm joined by my editor Jasper Miners

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hello Jasper

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Hello and we've got a very special guest

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and we're very fortunate to call him

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a part of the team in a way

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and Luke Hodges how you doing Luke

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very good mate

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how are you yeah superb

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I'm looking forward to diving deep into uh

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what you're gonna be doing with us

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and I know you've got a storied career already

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so it's exciting to call

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say that we're working together

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very happy to be part of the team

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uh so

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let's just run through a wee bit about how golf

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found you where it all start

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what was your well

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I've been working in the golf industry

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for over a decade now

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I know I don't look old enough to be able to say that

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but it's true um

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so my very first job I used to

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work at a driving range down in Winchester

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um I then moved to Adidas from there

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I worked for them for four years

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working in customer service

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while I was there um

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Covid hit

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and I then picked up a camera for the first time

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and figured out how to shoot uh

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photos to start off with um

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because I really wanted to get into the marketing team

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I then uh

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ended up moving to Callaway from there

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that's where a lot of the video production came from

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and I did there's a lot of their social media

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content and digital marketing

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while I was there for the European channels

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I then was there for a year and a half

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and from there I went freelance with videography

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photography and at the start of that

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it was very much around 50

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50 photo and video

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whereas now it's much more elevated into a

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the the video standpoint

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so it's a lot more now I'd probably say about 90 10

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what do you think's driven that

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probably more of a passion for

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for video and the storytelling behind um

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the things that I'm shooting

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so I find it a lot easier to

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to tell a story in a video

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for example

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like the video that we've shot here at both call

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it's a lot more of a story driven um

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video piece um

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and that's the sort of content that excites me

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and and also telling a telling

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a brand story within a within a brand video

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so I've shot for brands like tailor made um

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I've done a few bits of content for them

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I've done a few bits for Puma Cobra um

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while being freelance as well

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and being able to tell the stories for brands

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like that um

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is really special as well for me

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you obviously have worked for a lot of big brands

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tell us who

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in terms of the golf world have you worked with

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that we would know um

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so I've done I've

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I've shot with Gareth Bale

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um so that was on a tailor made shoot

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one of the biggest names that I've shot with

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I've met a few people in the golf world

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like I've I've had a half an hour chat with John Rams

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just randomly while I was at

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while I was at the Callaway office

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he was down uh

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after I can't remember what event it was

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but he he came

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he came down to to meet everyone at the office

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um and

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his dad was having a fitting in the performance centre

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so he just popped in we'd

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and I was just there so we just had a little sit down

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chat in the performance centre

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and like oh

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it's sat next like like I am with you Jasper um

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sat this far away from John Rowe we

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just had a chat for half an hour about golf

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and just like a normal bloke shooting the shit

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as they say right

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but yeah it's a

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I'm very fortunate to have met the people I have

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and have a really good network within the golf world

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I don't really when I

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when I think about it I don't think of it as a

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like an oh wow moment I know X

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y and Z it's a

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they're just normal people to me

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and I don't really get

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I don't get starstruck anymore by anybody uh

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which is weird not even James

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when you first met James this weekend

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I mean he's probably one of the most famous

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one of the most famous people I've ever met

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so it's I mean yeah

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him and Gareth Bale really yeah

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all my more all my 150 followers

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very impressed

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my tens of followers

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haha

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so just for people to understand

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you're also a very accomplished golfer

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in your own right

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I tried to be I tried to be yeah

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you compete in a lot of the amateur events

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around the UK and

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and what yeah

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you play off a very good handicap of plus 1 million + 2

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+ 2 + 2 at the moment I yeah

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I'm not gonna lie to you to Jasper

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anything over plus is a million

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yeah it's a

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it's a world I've never visited really

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I got to I got to plus 3 temporarily and

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then that was while while I was

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while I had my my

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my best season was was in 2022

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um I won three um

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decent events that year what did you win

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uh so I won the Selborne silver

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which is an England event

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um that is basically it's a

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it's a co sanctioned event with the Hampshire hog

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which in the hole is the is the Hampshire sour

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that year I think I came

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don't quote me on this but I think I came around

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tied third or something like that in that event

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after winning the Selborne

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as a captain's invite

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so I didn't actually enter it originally

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uh I got

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that's cool yeah

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I got an invite the reason I didn't enter it

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cause I didn't think

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I didn't think I'd get in originally

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um and then the captain text me and was like

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have you entered and I was like no

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I didn't think I'd get in

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he was like OK

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you can have my pick then um

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so he picked me to enter picked me to play

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I then turned up I was very

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I was first first on the tee at the

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at Blackmore for the Selborne

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and I started bogey bogey

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and I'm thinking wonderful

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um I

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then I thanks

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I went I went into the day um

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knowing that the golf course is gonna be set up

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incredibly hard cause back in the day

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Andy Sullivan won and he shot 9

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under par around there um

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I believe so

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they've started setting the golf course up really hard

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so I knew going into it it was gonna be a tough setup

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so I went into it with the strategy of fairways greens

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two putt get out of it

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just make lots of pars

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which is my way of playing golf anyway

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I don't make lots of birdies um

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I just make lots of pars and play very boring golf

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um I wish I could do that

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hahaha sounds brilliant

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hahaha we're more lots of bogies and hahaha

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occasional pars don't make a lot of yeah

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don't make a lot of pars just like bogey golf

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but I went into it with that mindset

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and it ended up paying off

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nerves settled and then I ended up being

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I think

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I was three under with two to play over 36 holes

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I then finished bogey bogey as well

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so I was like I've ruined it

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I'm done like I'm not gonna

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I'm not gonna win I go in and the

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the referees like I had to get on

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I said my tip gave my score there OK

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you'll probably have to hang

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around for the presentation

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cause they do top 5 and obviously I was first out

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so I had a long wait I was ready to

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I was saying to my caddy at the time

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I was like right

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let's pack the car up I've got dinner when I get home

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we got we're got

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we got dinner booked to a restaurant down the road

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while we're waiting for the

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everyone to come in there was no scores under par

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I was the only one under par at the time

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I'd waited an hour still no one under par

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two hours goes by no one

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still no one under par and we get to the

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the last group coming in and the guy says to me

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um just to let you know

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this guy's got a 6 foot part to tie you

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so he was like you probably should go and

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get your clubs back out of the car

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so you cause we might have a playoff

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I was like

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the clubs have been in the car for three hours

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yeah I gotta go and warm up again

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so I'm I said to him

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I'm gonna get I'm gonna get my clubs

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I'm gonna go and hit a few balls in the net

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just to warm the back back up

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I I go down

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get my clubs out and I walk up and he's like

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you can put them back in the car

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he didn't he missed the putt

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I was like but perfect

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so I was about to ask was there a cough involved

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was there a

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it was a very fair one but it was a

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it was a surprise win but it was also

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that was the very first tournament

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where I changed my mindset

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of believing I could win cause I

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when I when I used to play beforehand

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so prior to 2022 I went into events

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looking up at the guys playing in the county squad

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thinking oh my god

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you guys are incredible golfers

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you guys are people I look up to

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whereas then I

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I changed my mindset for that particular season

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um cause I'd read a lot of what I say read

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listened to a lot of audiobooks from like

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Bob Rotella and the and

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and people like him about the mindset of golf

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and I used

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I used that a lot over

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like a couple of years of trying to learn it

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and that season was the first season

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I genuinely believed I could go into these tournaments

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and win and compete

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um and that

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that was my first event going in with that mindset

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and it obviously worked and paid off

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and then that season ended up being my best season

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I've ever had CC James

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we just have to change your mindset from bogey to par

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we'll get there

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I'm not gonna lie to you I'm quite

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I think it's ingrained hahaha

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just put Barbara Tello on while you sleep

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hahaha maybe that's a good idea

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try that

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I found like while I was driving to events and stuff

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I just had I mean

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how champions think is probably a

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it's a it's a 7 hour long audiobook

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so when I'm on a long drive

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it's a it's perfect

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like cause you get bored of listening to

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you get bored of listening to the same music

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over and over again so put an audiobook on

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it's fantastic it's great

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yeah or the podcast

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or podcast yeah podcast

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yeah Pop House

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I hear it's very good and

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so you've obviously got passion for golf

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yeah and you've been working in golf

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and running around golf the whole time

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and you've gone out on your own

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and you do your own video stuff

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you've been to Australia filming at the

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at the Royal Melbourne for the Australian Open

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how was that phenomenal

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yeah Royal Melbourne was a very special place

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um so I've worked the Australian Open

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Australian PGA the last two years

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very fortunate to be invited to go out there

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and shoot those um

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they are tournaments that are always in my diary

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um and I just I

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I I always make sure that's in my diary

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before they even confirm that I'm going

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well it's probably the best golf course

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when they play at the likes of Kingston Heath and

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Royal Melbourne it's the best golf

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course that probably all pros play on

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and it's back at Kingston Heath next year as well

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so last it uh

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2024 it was at Kingston Heath when I first shot it

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um and yeah

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it's back then next year which I'm really excited about

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we'll see how Rory feels about Kingston Heath next year

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imagine he comes out next year and

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be like oh yeah

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Rory Mowbray's my favourite golfer hahaha

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I was actually in the I was in the presser when he did

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when he was talking about it

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and you could hear a pin drop when he was saying that

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um

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Royal Melbourne's not the best golf course in Australia

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I do wonder if that's because he's on the membership

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list at Melbourne because something similar happened

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uh we asked him at the Irish Open

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what his favourite heathland golf course was

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and he said Sunningdale um

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he's on the membership list at Kingston

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Heath or Melbourne perhaps

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he probably is now after that comment at Kingston

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I don't know

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they do the thing about these two

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both these golf courses have got history of good golf

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so there's

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a lot of the local best golfers get picked up

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it's a bit like in Sunningdale's

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um the reference Sunningdale

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they always try and bring in the best golfers

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and they want to have a very high standard of golf

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played at the golf club yeah

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I mean also after your

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your one of your first questions to me was

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who have you shot with

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and I've also shot a video with Rory

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which I forgot about I don't know how

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don't know how I forgot about that one

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yeah Rory Mackeroy there

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yeah that was fun

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I shot it like a little um

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a video of him at Roll Melbourne

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which was quite special yeah

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very cool yeah

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I was just sitting there being like

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I wish this was Kingston Heath no hahaha

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Kingston Heath is a great

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it was a great it was a great

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Kingston Heath is also very cool venue to shoot at

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um it's very small

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so you can run around quite quickly

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like it's a small footprint

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yeah so when I

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so when last year when we shot there

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so my

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my brief on the Sunday was to get a winner's video and

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um I can't remember the guy's name who won last year

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um but he come

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he come out of nowhere

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and I had got so much footage of the guy

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of the people who were leading

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and then all of a sudden this

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this guy is on the 17th hole

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and he's now joint for the leader

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and I have no footage of him

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and I need to put a whole 30 second reel

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of his winners video together

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and I'm

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sprinting from the other side of the golf course

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to try and catch up with him on the 17th

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so I end up getting his whole winners video

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only on the 18th hole and I managed to do it

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um but it was so difficult to be able to do that

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whereas this year uh

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last year sorry

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I'd changed I'd done it completely differently

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as in I

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I want to do more of a storytelling video for the PGA

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and and the

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and the open

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um so I did

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more of a cinematic style winners video

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which required a hell of a lot more footage

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and also required me to pray to the golfing gods

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that it was a runaway winner

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I was very fortunate in the first event

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that I also had two other guys who were there shooting

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so I was able to use some of their footage

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as filler footage

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whereas at the open it was purely just me

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um

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I was very lucky that there was another guy called

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Ricky who was there from New Zealand

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who had got some drone footage

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which I was able to use at the very beginning

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which was phenomenal um

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Ricky Robinson that's the guy

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yeah Ricky

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yeah he's a well

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I would say a a friend of

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of top 100 he's very generous with his body of work

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so I'll be working shout out to Ricky Robinson

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I'll be working with Ricky again out in New Zealand

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um this month of course you're going out to New Zealand

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got New Zealand Open

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yeah so flying out

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and who are the headliners there this year

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that's a really good question

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ha ha ha

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stay tuned yeah

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I don't know if I'm allowed to mention those yet

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but um there's some good names

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that was very well done hahaha

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you've come into top 100 to help us uh

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develop our essentially our YouTube channel

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yep

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what's we've given you a

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a lot of free rein to uh do what you think is best to

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suit us mm hmm

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and what what's your plans

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what do you want to do with the site

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so I think the

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the biggest part that I think you guys have is

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you've got such a trusted

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um you got a really trusted opinion

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and a viewership of what of

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of these top golf courses

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and what people want to see about these golf courses

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and stuff like that

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so I think like the video we've shot here at Port Call

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it's shooting a

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like a hybrid documentary slash vloggy style video

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which shows off the best of

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all the golf courses that we're able to go to

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so it's it's

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it's showing off the history

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it's showing off the the golf courses

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and showing off the architecture of the golf courses

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to the best they possibly can

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but it's being able to do that and film it

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and get that story across in a way that just elevate

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it's elevated within the content

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you know yeah

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very much so capture

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what is actually very hard to capture in these places

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which is the essence of the place

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yeah for sure

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no

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I think that's one of the things too that we wanted to

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as a company Top 100 was to

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we've got an amazing audience

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800,000 unique visitors to the website

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a quarter of a million followers across social media

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it it's phenomenal

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uh even listenership for the podcast is

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is quite substantial for major golf markets

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uh in

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the UK and in America and I think it's almost

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us also

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appreciating the role that we play within the industry

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and leveraging that

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but we knew that we could do a better job uh

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with our partners um

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but it's difficult sometimes because as you look at

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as a business um

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it's interesting that what we do is rankings

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but the one thing we don't sell is rankings

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so how do you make a business that serves the community

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uh and does that well

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but we can't actually monetize

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the one thing that we do and are known for

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and so what we've tried to do over the last two years

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is create a system whereby uh

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we can leverage the strengths that we have

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IE a massive following uh

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the attention of

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hundreds of thousands of traveling golfers

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that are actively planning golf trips um

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and using that attention

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as a way to marry up with the needs of golf clubs

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or resorts or destinations

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so although we're ardently

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protecting the rankings and the integrity of them

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uh what we can offer to commercial partners

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is the attention of traveling golfers

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who are planning trips and hopefully this gives them

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potential partners and current partners

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the ability to almost look at a menu of video options

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that will be coming out over the next

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probably three to six months as we work through uh

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these these first few videos

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that gives our clients and potential clients almost a

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menu that they can choose from and say

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which one of these amazing videos would you like

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for your club absolutely

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that addresses those needs

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so I think we're really excited internally

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um to

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to have this as

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another option that we can help our partners with

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you've also got the reason that

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another benefit of these the

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these style of videos

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it's also because a lot of people look at the rankings

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and they don't see they don't see why

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certain places are ranked in certain spots

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whereas these sort of videos are a perfect way of

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you being able to get that reasoning across

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so for example again

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I I

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coming back to the video we've done here

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the video we've done

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it will show you exactly why Port Cola is ranked

539
00:18:51,233 --> 00:18:53,500
where it is in the world and why

540
00:18:53,500 --> 00:18:54,833
and why it's there

541
00:18:55,500 --> 00:18:56,300
sorry

542
00:18:56,466 --> 00:18:58,466
and I think that's a difficult story to tell sometimes

543
00:18:58,466 --> 00:19:00,633
without being necessarily too geeky

544
00:19:00,733 --> 00:19:02,700
because you can sit down with diagrams and charts

545
00:19:02,700 --> 00:19:03,466
and you can say okay

546
00:19:03,466 --> 00:19:04,533
because of this hole and this hole

547
00:19:04,533 --> 00:19:06,033
or this green complex or

548
00:19:07,033 --> 00:19:10,366
but instantly you lose like 95% of the audience

549
00:19:10,433 --> 00:19:13,200
but I think with a compelling video

550
00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,833
with a really engaging narrative and story um

551
00:19:16,833 --> 00:19:17,733
they can enjoy the journey

552
00:19:17,733 --> 00:19:20,566
but then also have a a takeaway point that

553
00:19:20,633 --> 00:19:22,133
maybe encourages them to book their

554
00:19:22,133 --> 00:19:23,600
their next trip here absolutely

555
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one of my favourite things um

566
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,133
about playing golf with you

567
00:19:52,133 --> 00:19:55,233
Jasper is whenever we go out there

568
00:19:55,233 --> 00:19:56,600
no matter who we're playing with

569
00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:57,433
whatever

570
00:19:58,133 --> 00:20:00,433
how good that person how well

571
00:20:01,066 --> 00:20:03,033
how knowledgeable they are about architecture

572
00:20:03,633 --> 00:20:05,533
you still go out there and Jasper

573
00:20:05,533 --> 00:20:08,666
point out these little pieces of information

574
00:20:08,666 --> 00:20:12,266
these little bits of knowledge that really

575
00:20:12,266 --> 00:20:14,900
everyone listens to no matter who they are

576
00:20:14,900 --> 00:20:16,100
you you listen

577
00:20:16,100 --> 00:20:18,266
and you hear these little nuggets of joy

578
00:20:18,266 --> 00:20:20,433
that describe the golf course

579
00:20:20,433 --> 00:20:21,400
in a way that

580
00:20:21,933 --> 00:20:24,133
most people didn't even look at it in that way

581
00:20:24,133 --> 00:20:26,433
and what it and it's even like yourself Luke

582
00:20:26,433 --> 00:20:29,100
I was filming yesterday at the golf course

583
00:20:29,333 --> 00:20:30,300
things that uh

584
00:20:30,300 --> 00:20:33,500
Jasper's or Jasper's saying it just engaged

585
00:20:33,500 --> 00:20:36,200
was really engaging but it's a way of capturing that

586
00:20:36,433 --> 00:20:38,333
and being able to put that across to people

587
00:20:38,866 --> 00:20:42,566
so that they can develop their golf course architecture

588
00:20:42,666 --> 00:20:43,833
in a fun way in a

589
00:20:43,833 --> 00:20:45,400
in a in a interesting

590
00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:46,633
informative way well

591
00:20:46,633 --> 00:20:48,666
I think it's very generous for you to say that James

592
00:20:48,666 --> 00:20:49,933
because I mean

593
00:20:49,933 --> 00:20:51,133
whenever we play together you

594
00:20:51,133 --> 00:20:52,833
you come up with things and you see that and you're

595
00:20:52,833 --> 00:20:53,900
you're playing background

596
00:20:53,900 --> 00:20:56,900
predominantly on world class links definitely helps too

597
00:20:56,900 --> 00:20:58,700
I mean you've seen the very best of the best and

598
00:20:58,700 --> 00:21:00,433
and grew up on it so it's

599
00:21:00,433 --> 00:21:01,966
it's one of those things that

600
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:03,600
everybody brings something to the table

601
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:04,533
and sees things differently

602
00:21:04,533 --> 00:21:06,833
no one has monopoly on these things and it's an art

603
00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,433
so when you look at golf course architecture

604
00:21:09,433 --> 00:21:11,233
not as a science but as an art form

605
00:21:11,266 --> 00:21:11,866
um it

606
00:21:11,866 --> 00:21:13,633
it speaks to everybody individually

607
00:21:13,633 --> 00:21:16,333
and what makes it good can be different from

608
00:21:16,333 --> 00:21:18,533
from person to person um

609
00:21:18,533 --> 00:21:20,033
but yeah it's making it accessible

610
00:21:20,033 --> 00:21:21,433
not talking over people

611
00:21:21,433 --> 00:21:23,700
but almost sharing what you think and what you've seen

612
00:21:23,833 --> 00:21:26,033
but I mean sometimes you go out and

613
00:21:26,033 --> 00:21:28,100
and you see things or things are pointed out to you

614
00:21:28,100 --> 00:21:29,600
or you see persons play uh

615
00:21:29,833 --> 00:21:31,666
golfers play a whole certain way and

616
00:21:31,666 --> 00:21:33,500
and the penny drops and that's

617
00:21:33,500 --> 00:21:33,900
you know it

618
00:21:33,900 --> 00:21:35,133
it might be something world class

619
00:21:35,133 --> 00:21:36,233
like here at Portcullis

620
00:21:36,333 --> 00:21:38,233
or it might be like your local Muni and there's

621
00:21:38,233 --> 00:21:39,633
there's one little bit of that golf course

622
00:21:39,633 --> 00:21:40,866
that's really really good or really

623
00:21:40,866 --> 00:21:42,866
really right and you can take that away

624
00:21:42,866 --> 00:21:44,400
so no matter how you've played

625
00:21:44,466 --> 00:21:46,300
or how the match has gone

626
00:21:46,733 --> 00:21:47,866
I think you're still deriving

627
00:21:47,866 --> 00:21:49,933
benefit from golf as a whole

628
00:21:49,933 --> 00:21:52,066
not experience because it's

629
00:21:52,066 --> 00:21:53,066
it's another level

630
00:21:53,066 --> 00:21:54,800
or another way that you can enjoy golf

631
00:21:54,866 --> 00:21:56,300
or the golf course

632
00:21:56,300 --> 00:21:58,000
rather than just worried about what the score is

633
00:21:58,000 --> 00:21:59,466
on your card exactly is

634
00:21:59,466 --> 00:22:02,233
that kind of thing you want to get across on the video

635
00:22:02,233 --> 00:22:03,900
absolutely I think that's it's

636
00:22:03,900 --> 00:22:04,633
it's a super

637
00:22:04,633 --> 00:22:06,933
it's a super important thing to get across for sure

638
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:08,433
and when you're out there yesterday

639
00:22:08,433 --> 00:22:11,333
is that what you expected to or was it something

640
00:22:11,700 --> 00:22:13,000
was there things that you were like

641
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:13,500
oh actually

642
00:22:13,500 --> 00:22:14,666
this is really interesting

643
00:22:14,666 --> 00:22:16,600
or this is something I already knew

644
00:22:17,700 --> 00:22:20,100
what I liked about it was being out

645
00:22:20,100 --> 00:22:20,700
cause obviously I've

646
00:22:20,700 --> 00:22:24,133
I only really look at golf courses from a from a

647
00:22:24,233 --> 00:22:27,100
a player's perspective a good golfer's yeah

648
00:22:27,100 --> 00:22:28,133
I I didn't want to say that

649
00:22:28,133 --> 00:22:30,333
but I'll let you say it ha ha ha ha ha ha

650
00:22:31,066 --> 00:22:32,133
yeah it's true yeah yeah

651
00:22:32,133 --> 00:22:32,933
um

652
00:22:33,533 --> 00:22:37,133
but it's really interesting for me to hear

653
00:22:37,666 --> 00:22:39,433
you guys talk about it from an

654
00:22:39,633 --> 00:22:41,233
architectural point of view

655
00:22:41,233 --> 00:22:42,833
rather than a player's point of view

656
00:22:42,866 --> 00:22:44,433
cause I look at it being like

657
00:22:45,133 --> 00:22:46,200
for example the

658
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,100
the short par 3 here I think it's was 7 um

659
00:22:50,666 --> 00:22:52,233
I'm looking at that I'm like

660
00:22:52,233 --> 00:22:54,133
it's such a cool design of a hole

661
00:22:54,133 --> 00:22:56,233
cause I could land it there and roll it into the

662
00:22:56,233 --> 00:22:57,933
and still roll it into the flag

663
00:22:58,300 --> 00:22:58,600
whereas

664
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,500
you guys are looking at it from a architectural

665
00:23:00,500 --> 00:23:01,433
point of view

666
00:23:01,633 --> 00:23:04,600
which it's really cool to see even though I'm excited

667
00:23:04,633 --> 00:23:08,500
I'm I'm excited about the hole from one angle

668
00:23:08,533 --> 00:23:10,466
whereas you guys are really excited about the hole

669
00:23:10,466 --> 00:23:12,100
for a completely different reason

670
00:23:12,100 --> 00:23:13,500
which I find is really cool

671
00:23:13,866 --> 00:23:15,633
and I think that's an interesting thing to say too

672
00:23:15,633 --> 00:23:17,733
is because actually there is like this uh

673
00:23:17,833 --> 00:23:21,433
convergence of these two worlds and they do combine

674
00:23:21,533 --> 00:23:22,700
and where they overlap

675
00:23:22,700 --> 00:23:25,733
that's where the real magic happens so for example

676
00:23:25,733 --> 00:23:27,600
like you said from a playing perspective

677
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,033
you look at that hole and you think okay

678
00:23:29,033 --> 00:23:32,233
I can miss it there because even if I miss it there

679
00:23:32,266 --> 00:23:33,733
there's a chance that it'll take that slope

680
00:23:33,733 --> 00:23:34,700
and feed back

681
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:36,933
where I think from an architectural point of view

682
00:23:36,933 --> 00:23:39,133
you look at that and say isn't that really cool

683
00:23:39,233 --> 00:23:42,000
that you can actually play away from the flag

684
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,733
and you don't have to be like destination driven

685
00:23:45,733 --> 00:23:48,533
you can actually play away from where you want to go

686
00:23:48,533 --> 00:23:51,200
and use things like slopes or feeder slopes

687
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:55,133
or banks or ridges or whatever it might be to

688
00:23:55,133 --> 00:23:56,633
to allow the golfer options to

689
00:23:56,633 --> 00:23:58,933
to play that shot and it might not be from a

690
00:23:58,933 --> 00:24:00,066
a better player's point of view

691
00:24:00,066 --> 00:24:01,966
as he's thinking about as a miss

692
00:24:02,233 --> 00:24:04,466
it might be that maybe a woman golfer

693
00:24:04,466 --> 00:24:05,900
or a youth golfer

694
00:24:05,900 --> 00:24:08,833
maybe doesn't have the ability to fly it 1

695
00:24:08,833 --> 00:24:11,100
80 to the back of the green and stop it on a dime

696
00:24:11,233 --> 00:24:12,500
maybe it is that they hit it 1

697
00:24:12,500 --> 00:24:15,100
40 hit a feeder slope and then run it back yeah

698
00:24:15,100 --> 00:24:18,733
or maybe that applies to someone that hits a shot shape

699
00:24:18,733 --> 00:24:19,700
left to right well

700
00:24:19,700 --> 00:24:21,000
they have a backstop now on

701
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,133
the right side of the green

702
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,133
so it's an interesting thing

703
00:24:25,133 --> 00:24:27,300
exactly to your point is that there

704
00:24:27,300 --> 00:24:28,133
there is a

705
00:24:28,133 --> 00:24:30,333
a point at which all those things start to overlap

706
00:24:30,333 --> 00:24:33,033
and I think if you if you can combine those worlds

707
00:24:33,433 --> 00:24:35,400
um better players

708
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:35,900
I mean

709
00:24:35,900 --> 00:24:38,233
Rory spoke about that in the last couple of years

710
00:24:38,233 --> 00:24:42,100
just having a an awareness of golf course architecture

711
00:24:42,333 --> 00:24:47,666
and I I do wonder if maybe understanding who

712
00:24:47,666 --> 00:24:48,500
who your opponent is

713
00:24:48,500 --> 00:24:51,900
when you're playing the game of chess on a golf course

714
00:24:52,266 --> 00:24:53,300
is that you're actually playing

715
00:24:53,300 --> 00:24:54,666
not just the other people on

716
00:24:54,666 --> 00:24:56,066
in the tournament but you're also playing

717
00:24:56,066 --> 00:24:57,533
against the guy that designed the golf course

718
00:24:57,533 --> 00:24:59,500
yeah and even understanding that side of it

719
00:24:59,500 --> 00:25:01,600
I think helps better players um

720
00:25:02,033 --> 00:25:04,500
play golf and enjoy golf more absolutely

721
00:25:04,733 --> 00:25:06,633
we've also got the obviously we've talked about

722
00:25:06,633 --> 00:25:08,700
we talked about the seventh green with

723
00:25:08,700 --> 00:25:12,566
but we also spoke yesterday about the bunkering

724
00:25:12,633 --> 00:25:14,033
in terms of like

725
00:25:14,033 --> 00:25:16,133
having bunkers that are surrounded by rough

726
00:25:16,133 --> 00:25:19,400
rather than rather than just fairways going into it

727
00:25:19,466 --> 00:25:21,633
so I'm looking at that as a

728
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:24,500
I prefer it when the the

729
00:25:24,500 --> 00:25:27,266
the grass is cut tight around the bunkers

730
00:25:27,266 --> 00:25:30,700
because I don't want it to be unfair for me

731
00:25:30,733 --> 00:25:31,733
if I'm going into

732
00:25:31,733 --> 00:25:34,133
like a big tuft of grass right next to a bunker

733
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:35,700
that's then make in my

734
00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:36,800
in my eyes

735
00:25:36,866 --> 00:25:39,100
even though I shouldn't be in that bunker anyway

736
00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:40,333
I feel like I'm being punished even

737
00:25:40,333 --> 00:25:42,466
more by being into a being in

738
00:25:42,466 --> 00:25:46,333
in a tuft of grass and I'd rather be in the bunker

739
00:25:46,666 --> 00:25:48,700
um but you were

740
00:25:48,700 --> 00:25:52,166
you guys were saying that something along the lines of

741
00:25:52,866 --> 00:25:53,866
it's just not a

742
00:25:53,866 --> 00:25:57,400
it's not natural for that to be set up like that

743
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:58,233
is that what you is that right

744
00:25:58,233 --> 00:25:59,200
is that what you're saying

745
00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:02,000
well if you look at any of these naturalized

746
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:03,533
bunkers that you see on farms

747
00:26:03,533 --> 00:26:05,200
or whatever where the sheep have hidden

748
00:26:05,733 --> 00:26:07,400
and you tend to find actually

749
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:10,100
that's the most worn bit of grass on the golf course

750
00:26:10,100 --> 00:26:11,733
on the on the land

751
00:26:11,733 --> 00:26:12,233
because where

752
00:26:12,233 --> 00:26:14,466
they've walked in and out constantly

753
00:26:14,466 --> 00:26:16,100
to be able to build that site

754
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,566
so it should be tighter it should be

755
00:26:19,233 --> 00:26:20,633
and but it's also

756
00:26:22,033 --> 00:26:23,066
Jasper you

757
00:26:23,066 --> 00:26:25,000
you know more about this kind of thing than I do

758
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,500
but no I think

759
00:26:26,500 --> 00:26:29,366
I think there's this transition from uh

760
00:26:29,633 --> 00:26:31,500
pot bunker so it's interesting

761
00:26:31,500 --> 00:26:33,333
there's a lot of different reasons for it

762
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:34,733
um but if

763
00:26:34,733 --> 00:26:35,866
if if we're honest

764
00:26:35,866 --> 00:26:37,333
this transition away from

765
00:26:37,833 --> 00:26:40,933
reveted bunkers to naturalized bunkers

766
00:26:41,066 --> 00:26:42,833
has a lot to do with cost

767
00:26:43,066 --> 00:26:45,600
um especially up north uh

768
00:26:45,700 --> 00:26:49,100
the sod that they used to get that was quite thick and

769
00:26:49,100 --> 00:26:50,633
and peat based uh

770
00:26:50,633 --> 00:26:52,800
that's now got more and more difficult to acquire

771
00:26:52,800 --> 00:26:55,300
or just prohibitively expensive

772
00:26:55,600 --> 00:26:56,733
um so

773
00:26:56,733 --> 00:26:59,333
because they couldn't revamp bunkers new

774
00:26:59,333 --> 00:26:59,833
every year

775
00:26:59,833 --> 00:27:01,900
without spending ridiculous amounts of money

776
00:27:01,900 --> 00:27:03,133
they've had to look alternatives

777
00:27:03,133 --> 00:27:04,800
and naturalized bunkers have

778
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,933
started to come back on vogue um

779
00:27:06,933 --> 00:27:07,733
but I think that's

780
00:27:07,733 --> 00:27:10,400
that's the point with everything is that um

781
00:27:10,933 --> 00:27:13,466
often times bunkers should be hazards

782
00:27:13,466 --> 00:27:18,033
and you're gonna get some difficult lies in a

783
00:27:18,033 --> 00:27:19,533
in a true hazard I mean

784
00:27:19,700 --> 00:27:22,033
I I would even go as far as saying like why

785
00:27:22,033 --> 00:27:23,300
why do we have rakes now

786
00:27:23,300 --> 00:27:25,366
to a better player that's trying to card a score

787
00:27:25,700 --> 00:27:25,933
you know

788
00:27:25,933 --> 00:27:28,766
ending up in a footprint or a divot in the Fairway

789
00:27:29,066 --> 00:27:30,933
that's like the most unfair thing

790
00:27:31,133 --> 00:27:32,433
to the point where people are yelling

791
00:27:32,433 --> 00:27:33,266
and screaming about

792
00:27:33,266 --> 00:27:35,000
we should have a lift clean in place

793
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,900
if you end up in a divot in a Fairway

794
00:27:37,300 --> 00:27:39,800
and then there's a certain point at where

795
00:27:40,633 --> 00:27:44,733
you know how much fairness do we want to introduce

796
00:27:44,733 --> 00:27:46,600
or legislate into the game

797
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,700
or do we still want the integrity of the game

798
00:27:48,700 --> 00:27:50,366
of playing it as it lies

799
00:27:50,500 --> 00:27:52,066
whether that isn't a tuft of grass

800
00:27:52,066 --> 00:27:55,066
whether that's up against the like border of a bunker

801
00:27:55,066 --> 00:27:57,033
or whether that's a divot in the Fairway

802
00:27:57,500 --> 00:27:59,133
that look that's just life

803
00:27:59,133 --> 00:28:02,166
and that's just golf and get on with it um

804
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,600
and may maybe

805
00:28:04,433 --> 00:28:06,500
because I don't concern myself too much

806
00:28:06,500 --> 00:28:09,200
or at all with scorecard golf uh

807
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:10,833
those things just aren't important to me

808
00:28:10,833 --> 00:28:11,633
but to your point

809
00:28:11,633 --> 00:28:14,633
I think when when it comes to bunkers like they

810
00:28:14,633 --> 00:28:16,300
they are hazards and

811
00:28:16,300 --> 00:28:17,533
and they need to be treated as such

812
00:28:17,533 --> 00:28:19,300
and sometimes you get a terrible lie

813
00:28:19,300 --> 00:28:20,700
that's not in the bottom of a bunker

814
00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:21,300
that's

815
00:28:21,300 --> 00:28:23,533
collected everything to a perfect lie in the bottom

816
00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:25,266
and I think that's great

817
00:28:25,266 --> 00:28:26,800
I think more of that in golf is good

818
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,000
but also bunkers are meant to be collection zones right

819
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:33,033
so there you shouldn't if you have a rough all line

820
00:28:33,033 --> 00:28:34,200
all the way around the bunker

821
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:35,300
and the bunker's in rough

822
00:28:35,300 --> 00:28:36,366
then it's irrelevant

823
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:37,733
well what's the point of it playing a game

824
00:28:37,733 --> 00:28:39,666
yeah it's irrelevant

825
00:28:39,666 --> 00:28:41,466
it's well I think that's the thing too

826
00:28:41,466 --> 00:28:42,500
when it comes to mowing lines

827
00:28:42,500 --> 00:28:45,133
often times what you want is um

828
00:28:45,133 --> 00:28:46,833
like you look at a example like Mirfield's

829
00:28:46,833 --> 00:28:47,700
probably the best example

830
00:28:47,700 --> 00:28:49,600
is that they have small bunkers

831
00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:50,400
but actually

832
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,466
the bunker is probably like 10 times bigger than it is

833
00:28:53,466 --> 00:28:56,333
because all the contours of the ground around it

834
00:28:56,333 --> 00:28:57,933
funnel to it and actually

835
00:28:57,933 --> 00:28:59,900
your ball can just trickle into the bunker

836
00:29:00,233 --> 00:29:02,333
so that's quite strategic

837
00:29:02,333 --> 00:29:03,333
because if you know your way

838
00:29:03,333 --> 00:29:04,966
and how to plot your way around

839
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,000
you might think that you're going to

840
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:06,833
a safe side of the fairy

841
00:29:06,833 --> 00:29:07,266
but actually

842
00:29:07,266 --> 00:29:09,233
you're gonna be in the bunker once you walk up there

843
00:29:09,266 --> 00:29:10,900
although you are very much like

844
00:29:10,900 --> 00:29:12,533
what you thought was safe from it

845
00:29:12,900 --> 00:29:15,766
on that point do you think that

846
00:29:16,500 --> 00:29:18,033
a lot of the

847
00:29:18,033 --> 00:29:20,900
golf courses now are built for one off plays

848
00:29:21,700 --> 00:29:23,633
um have a standing

849
00:29:23,633 --> 00:29:26,200
comparatively to places like round Here

850
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:29,000
where there is a lot of zones that you just can't

851
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,466
go into or you've you can get a 6

852
00:29:31,466 --> 00:29:33,500
but you wouldn't know that off your first play

853
00:29:34,066 --> 00:29:35,766
would that frustrate you as a sick

854
00:29:36,266 --> 00:29:39,733
as a as a low competitive golfer

855
00:29:39,900 --> 00:29:41,266
I'd like to say no because I'd

856
00:29:41,266 --> 00:29:42,933
I like to think I should have a practice

857
00:29:42,933 --> 00:29:44,633
round before I play a tournament anyway

858
00:29:44,933 --> 00:29:47,400
so I like to think I'd know the golf course a bit more

859
00:29:47,633 --> 00:29:49,533
um I won't go into a tournament

860
00:29:49,533 --> 00:29:50,833
unless I've got a course guide

861
00:29:50,866 --> 00:29:51,733
as well

862
00:29:52,033 --> 00:29:53,700
I'll always have a course guide in my back pocket

863
00:29:53,700 --> 00:29:55,700
to make sure I know where all the hazards are

864
00:29:55,866 --> 00:29:57,300
if I expect even more so

865
00:29:57,300 --> 00:29:59,100
if I haven't played the golf course before well

866
00:29:59,100 --> 00:30:00,800
I know the last time you played uh

867
00:30:01,066 --> 00:30:02,600
played here hmm

868
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:04,700
you didn't have a practice round

869
00:30:04,700 --> 00:30:06,966
cause you arrived in a helicopter in the car park

870
00:30:09,066 --> 00:30:10,533
that's very true that's very true

871
00:30:10,533 --> 00:30:11,400
didn't have a practice round

872
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:12,200
and I'm pretty sure

873
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:13,333
I didn't actually have a course card for that one

874
00:30:13,333 --> 00:30:15,200
either so um

875
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:16,633
but yeah

876
00:30:16,633 --> 00:30:18,833
that was a that was certainly an interesting day

877
00:30:18,833 --> 00:30:20,500
you don't get any of those things from

878
00:30:20,500 --> 00:30:21,600
straight from helicopter though

879
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:22,766
do you no

880
00:30:22,866 --> 00:30:23,866
no that you don't

881
00:30:23,866 --> 00:30:25,700
for some reason they don't come off the helicopter

882
00:30:25,700 --> 00:30:27,000
and they don't give you your course guide

883
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,500
straight away as soon as you step off the

884
00:30:28,733 --> 00:30:31,033
off the off the chopper but um

885
00:30:31,333 --> 00:30:33,666
maybe we should put that in the in the suggestion book

886
00:30:33,666 --> 00:30:35,333
the suggestion book is just around the corner

887
00:30:35,333 --> 00:30:36,200
so yeah if anyone

888
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:37,733
if anyone arrives by helicopter

889
00:30:37,733 --> 00:30:39,100
make sure you get my course guide

890
00:30:39,900 --> 00:30:42,366
I always thought that we're at Port Cole

891
00:30:42,466 --> 00:30:43,866
if anyone's just tuning in

892
00:30:43,866 --> 00:30:45,966
but the reason I think

893
00:30:46,433 --> 00:30:47,600
that suggestion book is brilliant

894
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:50,833
as we should write in it don't change ha ha ha yeah

895
00:30:50,833 --> 00:30:53,700
it was interesting you you go through there and uh

896
00:30:53,900 --> 00:30:55,666
I mean frequently from about 19

897
00:30:55,666 --> 00:30:57,700
I think it starts at 1922

898
00:30:57,700 --> 00:30:59,966
is the suggestion book that they've got currently out

899
00:31:00,100 --> 00:31:04,000
and uh about 90% of the suggestions are to do with the

900
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,966
the price of gin slow gin and beer at the bar

901
00:31:07,666 --> 00:31:08,266
basically that

902
00:31:08,266 --> 00:31:10,500
it shouldn't cost any more to drink at the golf club

903
00:31:10,500 --> 00:31:12,033
than it does at any pub in town

904
00:31:12,033 --> 00:31:13,400
which is uh yeah

905
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,233
there's quite a few signatures under those

906
00:31:15,500 --> 00:31:16,766
ha ha ha brilliant um

907
00:31:16,933 --> 00:31:19,066
Luke let's talk a wee bit about your uh

908
00:31:19,066 --> 00:31:20,666
personal favourite golf courses

909
00:31:20,666 --> 00:31:23,333
so which golf courses really ring true with you

910
00:31:23,333 --> 00:31:24,400
what's your favourites

911
00:31:25,133 --> 00:31:31,700
so in the UK pre changes Burkdale was my uh

912
00:31:31,700 --> 00:31:32,566
was my favourite

913
00:31:33,133 --> 00:31:34,600
um interesting

914
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,900
a lot of good golfers say that pre changes Burkdale is

915
00:31:37,900 --> 00:31:39,700
yeah yeah

916
00:31:39,700 --> 00:31:42,100
I really enjoyed playing there

917
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:44,200
um I played the north

918
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,666
I played the North West Links there for the last

919
00:31:46,666 --> 00:31:48,533
I wanna say four years now

920
00:31:49,100 --> 00:31:49,900
um

921
00:31:50,266 --> 00:31:54,066
and it's just so the North West Links is 36 at Burkdale

922
00:31:54,066 --> 00:31:57,700
36 at Hillside it's a phenomenal tournament

923
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,733
it's incredible value for

924
00:31:59,733 --> 00:32:01,600
money and I just yeah

925
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,466
it's playing two phenomenal golf courses

926
00:32:03,466 --> 00:32:04,900
and Burkdale is

927
00:32:04,900 --> 00:32:09,800
is it was cemented as my as my No. 1 in the UK

928
00:32:10,233 --> 00:32:11,766
and then they made the changes

929
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,200
which personally I'm not I

930
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,000
most of them I think are good

931
00:32:18,500 --> 00:32:20,800
but I as we've spoke about yesterday

932
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,000
the the that new part 3 is not see

933
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,033
that's that's hit me hard

934
00:32:25,033 --> 00:32:27,000
that one this is what I find entertaining

935
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:27,733
it's what I love

936
00:32:27,733 --> 00:32:30,300
I actually think that's the best bit about the changes

937
00:32:30,300 --> 00:32:31,100
hmm

938
00:32:31,333 --> 00:32:33,300
I'm not huge did you

939
00:32:33,300 --> 00:32:34,300
so you prefer

940
00:32:34,300 --> 00:32:36,733
the new part 3 to the one that they've taken out

941
00:32:36,733 --> 00:32:38,233
so the only reason I thought

942
00:32:38,500 --> 00:32:39,933
they needed to change a part 3

943
00:32:39,933 --> 00:32:42,866
there was because every part 3 played the same length

944
00:32:42,866 --> 00:32:44,900
on a normal prevailing wind

945
00:32:45,066 --> 00:32:48,533
or do on a flat day for some reason

946
00:32:48,533 --> 00:32:51,133
you just always I always had Nathan in my hand yeah

947
00:32:51,133 --> 00:32:52,433
and I played it quite a few times

948
00:32:52,433 --> 00:32:54,400
and I just always seem to play a similar club

949
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:55,500
no matter what hmm

950
00:32:55,700 --> 00:32:56,700
and so they were

951
00:32:56,700 --> 00:32:59,400
they had to bring in something that was lengthier

952
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:01,566
or something it was crazy short

953
00:33:01,666 --> 00:33:03,000
crazy short and I

954
00:33:03,133 --> 00:33:04,333
it's a championship test

955
00:33:04,333 --> 00:33:06,433
it's an open course had to go long

956
00:33:06,433 --> 00:33:08,666
hmm and uh yeah

957
00:33:08,666 --> 00:33:10,133
I understand why you don't like it

958
00:33:10,133 --> 00:33:11,733
because it's got that triple tier

959
00:33:12,066 --> 00:33:14,466
from a from a scoring perspective

960
00:33:14,466 --> 00:33:17,366
from a from a playing perspective

961
00:33:17,633 --> 00:33:19,433
it's the I mean

962
00:33:19,433 --> 00:33:21,733
we played off the tees that were 230 yards

963
00:33:21,733 --> 00:33:23,133
it was playing downwind

964
00:33:23,666 --> 00:33:25,133
to a green that slopes away from you

965
00:33:25,133 --> 00:33:26,200
when it's rock hard

966
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,666
it's when you can't you can't

967
00:33:28,666 --> 00:33:30,266
you couldn't run it up because of the

968
00:33:30,266 --> 00:33:31,833
I'm pretty sure there's a bunker short

969
00:33:32,466 --> 00:33:32,533
um

970
00:33:32,533 --> 00:33:34,633
so you can't run it up you gotta land on the front edge

971
00:33:34,633 --> 00:33:36,600
which means you're 90% of the time

972
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:37,400
you're gonna be over the back

973
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,133
even with a good ball striking well

974
00:33:39,133 --> 00:33:40,733
that's where I would say

975
00:33:40,733 --> 00:33:42,266
cause I never look at par for a hole

976
00:33:42,266 --> 00:33:43,400
I'm not thinking about par

977
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,033
whereas you it's important to you as a golfer

978
00:33:46,333 --> 00:33:47,400
so I always think oh

979
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,633
that's a three and a half or or whatever

980
00:33:49,633 --> 00:33:50,600
hmm and

981
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:52,000
and it'll be somewhere else

982
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,833
like the hole after it in 16

983
00:33:54,833 --> 00:33:57,233
that would be a three and a half as well yeah

984
00:33:57,233 --> 00:33:59,266
it's a shorter part form the

985
00:33:59,266 --> 00:34:02,800
the par 5 prior to that phenomenal par five

986
00:34:03,066 --> 00:34:04,833
I I love the changes they've done there

987
00:34:04,833 --> 00:34:05,466
I think it's a

988
00:34:05,466 --> 00:34:08,566
it's a phenomenal golf hole in my opinion

989
00:34:09,466 --> 00:34:12,266
um just to the eye it looks great to off off the tee

990
00:34:12,266 --> 00:34:14,000
it's challenging um

991
00:34:14,300 --> 00:34:17,533
everything about that hole to me screams

992
00:34:17,533 --> 00:34:18,533
this is a great golf hole

993
00:34:18,533 --> 00:34:19,933
so it's it's

994
00:34:19,933 --> 00:34:20,833
it's got

995
00:34:20,900 --> 00:34:24,200
you've got pilot of it's back back to back and

996
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,000
and just out of interest when you think about the

997
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:26,633
the open rota

998
00:34:26,633 --> 00:34:28,533
have you played a sandwich for Royal Saint George's

999
00:34:28,533 --> 00:34:30,700
I have okay so uh between

1000
00:34:30,700 --> 00:34:31,133
the two

1001
00:34:31,133 --> 00:34:33,033
how do you feel personally about Royal Saint George's

1002
00:34:33,033 --> 00:34:33,833
then

1003
00:34:34,066 --> 00:34:38,333
so I've only played Saint George's 3 times

1004
00:34:38,666 --> 00:34:42,800
that was practice round and then 2 tournament rounds um

1005
00:34:44,066 --> 00:34:44,800
scrap that no

1006
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,333
twice practice round and one tournament round

1007
00:34:47,333 --> 00:34:49,000
cause it was eighteen uh

1008
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,600
18 on each Dillon Saint George's

1009
00:34:51,733 --> 00:34:53,833
and I loved Saint George's see

1010
00:34:53,833 --> 00:34:55,433
and and that's quite interesting for me

1011
00:34:55,433 --> 00:34:59,600
because a lot of the the tour players love Brookdale uh

1012
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,700
but aren't fans of Saint George's

1013
00:35:01,700 --> 00:35:03,433
so it's well

1014
00:35:03,433 --> 00:35:05,333
we'll make a architecture man out of you yet Luke

1015
00:35:05,333 --> 00:35:06,500
so that's good I'm intrigued

1016
00:35:07,933 --> 00:35:12,733
I'd love to go and play in Saint George's again um

1017
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,200
because I've only seen it from a

1018
00:35:15,266 --> 00:35:16,933
in a tournament setting it's

1019
00:35:16,933 --> 00:35:18,233
it's difficult to judge things

1020
00:35:18,233 --> 00:35:20,300
when you're looking at your card and you're

1021
00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:21,800
you're thinking about

1022
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,333
you're not looking outside your golf

1023
00:35:23,333 --> 00:35:26,533
mm hmm whereas I've played Burkdale I think three times

1024
00:35:26,533 --> 00:35:28,000
not in a tournament so

1025
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,400
I've seen it in multiple lights and multiple scenarios

1026
00:35:32,433 --> 00:35:34,333
so I have been able to look at it

1027
00:35:34,333 --> 00:35:35,800
from a different perspective

1028
00:35:35,900 --> 00:35:37,633
whereas Saint George's

1029
00:35:37,633 --> 00:35:39,733
I've only ever been able to see it from a tournament

1030
00:35:39,733 --> 00:35:42,066
angle and a playing angle yeah

1031
00:35:42,066 --> 00:35:43,033
what other uh

1032
00:35:43,033 --> 00:35:45,333
golf courses would you say your favourite series

1033
00:35:45,666 --> 00:35:47,533
not necessarily the best the ones that yeah

1034
00:35:47,533 --> 00:35:50,200
so my favourite golf course in the world

1035
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:51,933
that I've ever played is uh

1036
00:35:51,933 --> 00:35:53,500
Classic Club in Palm Desert

1037
00:35:55,266 --> 00:35:56,200
that I've never been no

1038
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,300
don't know it phenomenal golf course used

1039
00:35:58,300 --> 00:36:00,966
to it hosted the Bob Hope Classic back in the day

1040
00:36:01,833 --> 00:36:03,733
uh it's literally in the deserts everywhere

1041
00:36:03,733 --> 00:36:06,300
it's surrounded by mountains um

1042
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,600
I played it with my dad had a rent we

1043
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,266
we got rental clubs

1044
00:36:11,266 --> 00:36:13,400
I was very fortunate that the rental irons

1045
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:16,333
were the exact same as the ones in my bag at the time

1046
00:36:16,333 --> 00:36:18,633
so I was very happy um

1047
00:36:18,933 --> 00:36:21,333
they'd only given me a regular driver

1048
00:36:21,333 --> 00:36:24,300
so I was like I can't use that um

1049
00:36:24,633 --> 00:36:26,933
but luckily they'd gave they'd given me a

1050
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:30,866
a stiff strong 3 wood so it's like 13 degree 3 wood

1051
00:36:30,866 --> 00:36:32,633
so I just use that all the way like a mini driver

1052
00:36:32,633 --> 00:36:36,200
it's perfect and I think I was 4 under through five

1053
00:36:36,700 --> 00:36:37,100
no what

1054
00:36:37,100 --> 00:36:38,966
this is probably why I like the gold yeah

1055
00:36:40,533 --> 00:36:42,733
but I played a match me and dad played a match

1056
00:36:42,733 --> 00:36:43,900
we played off the tips

1057
00:36:44,833 --> 00:36:46,000
so the course was playing

1058
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:46,466
I don't know what to do

1059
00:36:46,466 --> 00:36:47,633
your dad's quite handy golfer too

1060
00:36:47,633 --> 00:36:50,433
then he played he's at the time he was off about 8

1061
00:36:50,433 --> 00:36:50,933
oh OK

1062
00:36:50,933 --> 00:36:52,033
yeah uh

1063
00:36:52,033 --> 00:36:53,800
he's a little bit higher now um

1064
00:36:53,933 --> 00:36:56,000
but yeah so we played a match

1065
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:56,900
played a match against each other

1066
00:36:56,900 --> 00:36:58,833
obviously gave him some shots um

1067
00:36:59,533 --> 00:37:02,533
but yeah the golf course was absolutely immaculate

1068
00:37:02,533 --> 00:37:04,000
the uh

1069
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,133
tee boxes look like carpets um

1070
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:07,900
I know obviously

1071
00:37:07,900 --> 00:37:10,666
the rankings and stuff don't pull condition into

1072
00:37:10,666 --> 00:37:12,933
into account but um

1073
00:37:13,633 --> 00:37:16,533
the the layout of the golf course in my eye

1074
00:37:16,533 --> 00:37:17,700
just looked phenomenal

1075
00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:20,533
and the views and everything were just superb

1076
00:37:20,533 --> 00:37:21,600
it's very interesting isn't it

1077
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:22,900
because as we have these chats

1078
00:37:22,900 --> 00:37:26,900
like we respect obviously your views and your opinions

1079
00:37:26,900 --> 00:37:29,200
and that's your favorite golf course brilliant

1080
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,333
and for those reasons

1081
00:37:30,333 --> 00:37:32,366
we can't say anything against that like that

1082
00:37:32,700 --> 00:37:33,833
but it's so interesting to

1083
00:37:33,833 --> 00:37:36,700
to hear because I can just hear like

1084
00:37:36,866 --> 00:37:40,300
all of the comment sections on all the social media

1085
00:37:40,300 --> 00:37:42,633
whenever we put out rankings about like

1086
00:37:42,633 --> 00:37:44,433
how is this golf course higher than that

1087
00:37:44,433 --> 00:37:46,300
this one's got way better conditioning etc

1088
00:37:46,300 --> 00:37:47,233
etc etc

1089
00:37:47,433 --> 00:37:48,533
so it it

1090
00:37:48,533 --> 00:37:52,966
it it is a very real thing for like really good golfers

1091
00:37:53,333 --> 00:37:54,600
um you

1092
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,533
you like to know what you're up against

1093
00:37:56,533 --> 00:37:57,600
mm hmm uh

1094
00:37:57,633 --> 00:37:59,933
you don't wanna deal with unfairness

1095
00:37:59,933 --> 00:38:03,033
correct and you wanna be treated like

1096
00:38:03,033 --> 00:38:05,300
you wanna be rewarded for good shots

1097
00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:07,133
executing good shots absolutely

1098
00:38:07,133 --> 00:38:12,133
and golf courses that do that are ones we enjoy exactly

1099
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,400
so where again it

1100
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,033
and maybe that's the key maybe for

1101
00:38:16,033 --> 00:38:17,866
for a lot of times like the

1102
00:38:17,866 --> 00:38:19,800
you know for us where it's

1103
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,733
you know you almost hit a decent shot here

1104
00:38:21,733 --> 00:38:22,733
and it hits the side of a mound

1105
00:38:22,733 --> 00:38:25,633
and it rolls into like the lip of a ragged edge bunker

1106
00:38:25,633 --> 00:38:26,200
and you're like alright

1107
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,400
I don't have a shot and there's something that kind of

1108
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:30,066
that kind of tickles me and think yeah I

1109
00:38:30,066 --> 00:38:30,900
I kind of like that

1110
00:38:30,900 --> 00:38:32,266
even though I'm on the receiving end of

1111
00:38:32,266 --> 00:38:33,233
it uh

1112
00:38:33,233 --> 00:38:34,833
whereas a better player if you wanted to get around

1113
00:38:34,833 --> 00:38:36,100
it's like oh

1114
00:38:36,100 --> 00:38:37,233
that just ruins my chances

1115
00:38:37,233 --> 00:38:39,433
so I see that though but if it's a

1116
00:38:39,433 --> 00:38:40,933
if it is cause now

1117
00:38:40,933 --> 00:38:43,333
we said earlier about bunkers that are

1118
00:38:43,433 --> 00:38:46,500
actually double the size of what they actually are

1119
00:38:46,866 --> 00:38:50,333
but going into that as a player

1120
00:38:50,333 --> 00:38:51,700
I should know that yeah

1121
00:38:51,700 --> 00:38:53,100
before I hit that shot

1122
00:38:53,100 --> 00:38:55,866
so I'm not aiming for that specific part

1123
00:38:55,866 --> 00:38:57,733
because I should know that if I aim there

1124
00:38:57,733 --> 00:38:59,466
that's gonna roll into the bunker still

1125
00:38:59,466 --> 00:39:00,800
mm hmm so I think that's a great

1126
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,100
I love those designs when they're like that

1127
00:39:03,100 --> 00:39:04,933
yeah I think that's great

1128
00:39:04,933 --> 00:39:06,633
cause I'd so from

1129
00:39:06,633 --> 00:39:07,733
and from a player's perspective

1130
00:39:07,733 --> 00:39:08,800
I'm like I should know

1131
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,700
you should know that I should know that's gonna happen

1132
00:39:10,700 --> 00:39:12,433
yeah if I go in that specific spot

1133
00:39:12,433 --> 00:39:14,300
so I shouldn't be aiming in that specific spot

1134
00:39:14,300 --> 00:39:15,233
yeah it goes every time

1135
00:39:15,233 --> 00:39:16,933
so it doesn't matter exactly yeah

1136
00:39:16,933 --> 00:39:19,100
whereas in a rough lined bunker

1137
00:39:19,833 --> 00:39:21,933
it's it's up to the gods

1138
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:23,200
that's it exactly

1139
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,600
up to the gods exactly

1140
00:39:25,900 --> 00:39:27,766
the gods aren't kind on us Jasper

1141
00:39:28,900 --> 00:39:30,100
they've got something really against

1142
00:39:30,100 --> 00:39:31,500
especially yesterday at 4th call

1143
00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:32,666
I don't know what was going on

1144
00:39:32,666 --> 00:39:33,900
but I lost honestly

1145
00:39:33,900 --> 00:39:35,733
I think I came down to the last ball in my bag

1146
00:39:35,733 --> 00:39:36,833
I didn't go out with Minnie

1147
00:39:36,833 --> 00:39:38,533
but I definitely lost more than I should have

1148
00:39:38,533 --> 00:39:39,800
way more than I should have

1149
00:39:39,900 --> 00:39:40,833
so yeah not one to

1150
00:39:40,833 --> 00:39:43,766
remember but I still love the golf course

1151
00:39:43,833 --> 00:39:46,800
which I think for me that that's like if you can go

1152
00:39:46,900 --> 00:39:49,866
not play badly not be rewarded

1153
00:39:49,866 --> 00:39:51,133
mm hmm um

1154
00:39:51,266 --> 00:39:52,500
but still walk off saying

1155
00:39:52,500 --> 00:39:54,566
that was absolutely unbelievable

1156
00:39:54,933 --> 00:39:55,900
um yeah

1157
00:39:55,900 --> 00:39:57,466
I still feel good about my time down here

1158
00:39:57,466 --> 00:40:00,766
and still remember fondly my first visit to Port Cole

1159
00:40:01,066 --> 00:40:01,866
mm hmm um

1160
00:40:02,033 --> 00:40:03,866
and maybe I've just got to that point in my golf game

1161
00:40:03,866 --> 00:40:05,900
where that is the one way that I

1162
00:40:06,066 --> 00:40:07,700
the last way that I can enjoy golf

1163
00:40:07,700 --> 00:40:08,500
hahaha

1164
00:40:09,033 --> 00:40:11,600
you got to worry about my score hahaha

1165
00:40:12,866 --> 00:40:16,033
just play fast hahaha

1166
00:40:16,033 --> 00:40:17,800
get round quick brilliant

1167
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:19,633
enjoy the beer after absolutely absolutely

1168
00:40:19,833 --> 00:40:21,266
um so Luke

1169
00:40:21,266 --> 00:40:22,866
tell us a bit about uh

1170
00:40:22,866 --> 00:40:25,733
what you what you're thinking in the long term

1171
00:40:25,733 --> 00:40:28,933
with this top 100 stuff what's your aim and goals

1172
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:30,633
where do you wanna go with it

1173
00:40:31,333 --> 00:40:34,466
I like what we said what we said earlier about having a

1174
00:40:34,466 --> 00:40:38,400
having a library of content which people can use as a

1175
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,733
as a travel guide um

1176
00:40:40,733 --> 00:40:45,133
so going through the courses that you'd recommend

1177
00:40:45,133 --> 00:40:46,700
that people if they were coming to

1178
00:40:46,700 --> 00:40:48,800
if they were coming to South Wales for

1179
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:49,900
for a weekend

1180
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,633
they'd be able to see the golf courses that

1181
00:40:52,633 --> 00:40:53,733
you guys have been to

1182
00:40:53,733 --> 00:40:56,833
and why they should go to those specific places

1183
00:40:56,833 --> 00:40:59,333
or if they wanna go to I don't know

1184
00:40:59,333 --> 00:41:01,366
North East England um

1185
00:41:01,666 --> 00:41:02,900
golf courses around there

1186
00:41:02,900 --> 00:41:04,433
that they can have a look at the library

1187
00:41:04,433 --> 00:41:07,033
and see which golf courses that you guys have created

1188
00:41:07,033 --> 00:41:09,066
videos like the one we've done here there

1189
00:41:09,066 --> 00:41:10,533
so they can learn more about the golf course

1190
00:41:10,533 --> 00:41:12,566
before they get there um

1191
00:41:12,900 --> 00:41:16,000
I think bit bits like that is really gonna

1192
00:41:16,866 --> 00:41:22,533
cause I look at before obviously we spoke originally

1193
00:41:23,633 --> 00:41:26,733
I I'd always looked at your guys'website

1194
00:41:26,866 --> 00:41:30,000
to see what opens I can go and play

1195
00:41:30,233 --> 00:41:32,933
whereas rather than looking through the website

1196
00:41:32,933 --> 00:41:34,433
I could look through the library

1197
00:41:34,433 --> 00:41:38,733
and I could then see which golf courses got the the

1198
00:41:38,733 --> 00:41:39,700
the history

1199
00:41:39,700 --> 00:41:43,833
the history and which ones got the sort of um

1200
00:41:44,866 --> 00:41:46,233
I can't remember the word I'm trying to think of

1201
00:41:46,233 --> 00:41:48,733
but I can see what

1202
00:41:49,500 --> 00:41:51,033
sort of golf course I'd want to go and play

1203
00:41:51,033 --> 00:41:52,933
but by watching those videos

1204
00:41:53,466 --> 00:41:55,333
and maybe that is just the evolution of

1205
00:41:55,333 --> 00:41:57,266
of how we're presenting media now

1206
00:41:57,266 --> 00:41:59,933
where I think before people go on the website

1207
00:41:59,933 --> 00:42:01,000
they would see the ranking

1208
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,800
and even if you didn't know about Port Kells

1209
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,933
Southern down Panard

1210
00:42:06,233 --> 00:42:08,400
you would look at the ranking and say well

1211
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:09,533
they're 1 2 and 3

1212
00:42:09,533 --> 00:42:11,033
let's say in South Wales

1213
00:42:11,033 --> 00:42:13,533
so that's just the order but I think the

1214
00:42:13,533 --> 00:42:17,133
the palette of individuals making decisions now

1215
00:42:17,300 --> 00:42:19,200
has advanced where

1216
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:21,600
like looking at a ranking and just looking at the

1217
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:22,666
the number beside the

1218
00:42:22,666 --> 00:42:26,433
the name of the club or reading about it on a website

1219
00:42:26,666 --> 00:42:30,700
is that people expect good photography videos

1220
00:42:30,866 --> 00:42:32,300
some sort of information

1221
00:42:33,666 --> 00:42:34,300
and and that

1222
00:42:34,300 --> 00:42:36,600
might just be the changing palate of consumers

1223
00:42:36,733 --> 00:42:39,400
is that we've come so far that in the last 20 years

1224
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,533
written text is is still important

1225
00:42:41,933 --> 00:42:44,666
but the the next evolution of that was probably

1226
00:42:44,666 --> 00:42:45,733
good photography

1227
00:42:45,733 --> 00:42:48,500
and now the next evolution of that is really good uh

1228
00:42:48,500 --> 00:42:50,266
storytelling videos absolutely

1229
00:42:50,266 --> 00:42:53,833
so yeah as fortunate to have you uh

1230
00:42:53,833 --> 00:42:54,833
along for the ride hmm

1231
00:42:55,066 --> 00:42:56,400
well thank you very much Luke

1232
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:58,333
um if anyone needs to get in touch

1233
00:42:58,333 --> 00:43:01,266
uh it's Luke Hodges uh production

1234
00:43:01,266 --> 00:43:04,600
Luke H Productions Luke H Productions and uh

1235
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,600
or just get in touch with us on DM US

1236
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,200
and we'll ping him through to you

1237
00:43:09,233 --> 00:43:09,866
cause uh

1238
00:43:09,866 --> 00:43:11,066
Luke's not full time with us

1239
00:43:11,066 --> 00:43:11,866
but uh

1240
00:43:12,333 --> 00:43:14,933
we would like him to be but he's bloody expensive no

1241
00:43:16,900 --> 00:43:18,533
I'm too busy flying around the world

1242
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,033
but I think that's a really good point to make is if

1243
00:43:23,033 --> 00:43:25,333
if in the next few months

1244
00:43:25,333 --> 00:43:26,700
you see something that you really like

1245
00:43:26,700 --> 00:43:28,600
or that you think your club would benefit from

1246
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:29,466
say wow

1247
00:43:29,466 --> 00:43:30,900
what you did at Port Call was brilliant

1248
00:43:30,900 --> 00:43:33,166
we'd like you to tell that story for us

1249
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,466
then yeah just get in touch and we can make that happen

1250
00:43:36,466 --> 00:43:37,733
absolutely well

1251
00:43:37,733 --> 00:43:39,400
thanks very much gentlemen and pleasure

1252
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:40,466
uh yeah

1253
00:43:40,466 --> 00:43:41,800
on to the next one play fast

1254
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,166
lunch slow thanks Jim

1255
00:43:43,366 --> 00:43:45,000
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