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Top 100 Clubhouse - Golf Podcast
Episode 104: Lessons From Playing 1000+ Courses with David Davis
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On this episode of the Top 100 Clubhouse podcast, host James Henderson sits down with David Davis, CEO of Lockhart Travel, for a deep dive into what it really means to chase the world’s greatest golf courses.
David shares stories from his golfing pilgrimages, reflecting on the mindset, logistics, and relationships required to play the Top 100 courses, and how being a relentless networker has opened doors that most golfers assume are permanently closed.
They explore the practical challenges many golfers face when trying to experience bucket-list venues, including what to do if you don’t have direct access to private clubs. David offers candid insight into how rankings influence demand, how lists evolve over time, and why changes to Top 100 tables often spark more debate than celebration.
Having played more than 1,000 courses worldwide, David reveals the most surprising golf club he’s encountered, his picks for the best sets of par 3s, par 4s and par 5s, and the finest fairways he’s walked. It’s an episode that blends travel, architecture, rankings culture and pure golfing passion — essential listening for anyone serious about the world’s greatest courses.
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I mean the game is an amateur game
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I mean the professional side of it
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you know
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there are idols and heroes and fun to watch them play
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but I mean if it weren't for amateur golf
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there would be no golf
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you have to remember when you play a golf course
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and you're out there for four hours or whatever
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you're only hitting the
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you're only hitting a ball for what
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15 minutes of that
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so there's a lot of time to look around
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hello and welcome to another episode of the Top 100
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Clubhouse podcast
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I'm your host James Henderson
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and I'm here with my boss
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my very kind CEO David Davis
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how are you David
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yeah great
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always always nice to have a chat with you James
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and we don't have whiskies with us this time
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so I guess we'll uh haha it'll just be a chat
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well I've got my full family in the house right now
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and it's absolute chaos I've uh
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made dinner done everything
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and it's just I'm not gonna lie to you
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I needed a few coffees
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and I don't think sleep's gonna be coming to me easy
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that at tonight but we'll see what happens
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and so David
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we've got you on
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because we've actually had quite a cool
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little activation happen
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within the company we've had
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a something very close to your heart
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and I know it's very close to your heart
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cause you wear them every time you play
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golf
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and we've had Echo become a key sponsor for Top 100
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and that's amazing I've been as you know
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a a lifelong advertisement for them
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for people that don't know
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David is the CEO Top 100 and is also the
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the CEO of Lockhart
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and has completed the world Top 100
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I worked out how many golf courses
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how much walking you would have done in those shoes
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worked out how far
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in terms of just like giving people an understanding
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right so I know how many golf courses you've played
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so I'm not gonna say the number
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but if you walk from LA to New York and back
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that's probably how much time you spent in golf shoes
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yeah I'll I'll buy that it that's a lot of walking
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that's a that's a lot of walking
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that's wild what about what what about the second year
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that's like the first year right
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so I mean what about that
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well it's a I just can't understand how it's that far
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it's well so far in the early days
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like I actually we're talking about this today
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in the early days we did trips in the early days
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I'm talking like you know 2,011 12 13 14 15
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I I would do you know several trips a year
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let's say at least three trips a year where I did
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I do two weeks um
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play 36 holes a day so two different courses a day
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and we'd always for whatever crazy
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reason throw in a couple of 54 hole walking days
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and we're talking walking golf only
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so that happened a lot in the UK and you say walking
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how many times do you have to take a buggy
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when you're doing those things
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cause the recovery must be mental
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I mean if there's no buggies to take
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you don't take buggies right
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like if you're in continental Europe
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um most places if they have buggies
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they have them only for people who have a handicap
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certificates of one kind or another
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so you'd have to have like a doctor's note or
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you know in
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in the Netherlands where I live
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they you need a
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you need an official like a handycart card or something
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you have to be a member of the handycart
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there's like a society that's
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for people that need to use carts and stuff
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and and so that comes
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you know you need a medical certificate
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like I said you need a bunch of other things
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otherwise golf is a walking sport
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you know it's a sport you walk and
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and then you
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you log in the miles if you play a lot of golf
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yes I do say logging in miles
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LA to New York and back is a lot
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a lot of walking
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and so we've done a few parts together
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talking about doing the world Top 100
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and your story about doing it
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but what I would like to do is delve into how would
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someone else approach it
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how do you recommend to others to take on the challenge
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I think that would be a really interesting way of uh
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segueing to if I was to take on
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what would you say
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or if anyone was just gonna start that journey
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where would you start
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there's
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you know there's varying
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there's a lot of things that will that can help you
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so for example um
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I'm just trying to think
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if there's anybody that I know of
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there's not that many people
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that have completed the journey
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and most of the people
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you know
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they'll be a member of a nice private club someplace
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basically
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and that helps a lot like
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I don't know off the top of my head
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trying to think if there's anybody that completed it
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that um
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was not a member of a golf course anywhere
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or something like that right
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and because you know
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one of the big things about golf is sharing and
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and sharing what what you've got and
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you know I I can give you you know
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everybody needs to find out what is that that they
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they would share for example
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in my case and I've talked about that before you know
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I I was um I'm living in the Netherlands and you know
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there's other Americans that live in the Netherlands
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but there's not that many Americans
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living in the Netherlands
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that are complete golf lunatics
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like I was and so I
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was lucky to be in a place that um
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happened to have some amazing golf
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and I wasn't a member of those clubs specifically
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but I ended up um
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becoming I mean
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that's in the early days
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a member of Nordic by the Golf Club um
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which was one of the best clubs in the country
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and has always been you know
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and and it's not a world top hundred
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but it's it's essentially
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you know having
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being a member of a great club that
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World Top hundred is such a tiny little percentage
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and it's subjective and
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we've talked about those type of things a lot because
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you know
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I wasn't defining the list that that I was chasing
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I was just chasing after
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a list that a bunch of people put together basically
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right and
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and there is a
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so many amazing courses that aren't on the list
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and don't wanna be for example
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or or not even interested in the notoriety or
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or what it brings with it
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you know and in
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in some cases it would you know
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bring a lot of demand to private clubs
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that might not want that for example um
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and I'm sure that's the case with some of them that are
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that that do get ranked you know um
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clubs all over the place in Netherlands as well
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there's some great clubs Nordwijk is a great
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a great course and a great
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club in fact it's gonna be way better now sorry
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it's a side little thing but you know
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redone over the course of the next three years
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you know and and that's a massive renovation
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you know that's one of one of my clubs
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I'll be a member of another top hundred course
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because I think that that's a um
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gonna be a top hundred golf course
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or at least if if we do a good
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you know if Nordberg does a good job
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they have a really good opportunity to be in that
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in the discussion you know
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well a serious candidate for it so but but anyway
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you know a long way to say you you know
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you gotta find what is that
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that gives me an opportunity to do it
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so a one of the things is networking
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you have to be a good networker
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a crazy good networker
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and put yourself in a position where
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you have an opportunity to
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to make friends and meet people and
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and that are members of great clubs
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and usually you do that when you're out on the road
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traveling around you know
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and and getting face to face
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is that people do a lot by Instagram even or
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Facebook or something when
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when back when we were running around and
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you weren't doing that because those things just
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people weren't didn't use them for that
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I don't remember what year it came around
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because I was a very late
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late adopter to using Instagram
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and and even like Facebook
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I mean I might have been an early adopter on Facebook
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but I wasn't using it for that type of stuff
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I didn't even think about it
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I was using it for family related things and stuff
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or to stay in touch with some friends but anyway
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all those things
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our assets that can be used now that we
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there's there's there's plenty of uh
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clubs out there that are in very very high demand
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so you know there's there's things like um
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if you're a member of a
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a high and private club someplace
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thousand greens there's some digital type asset
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things that you can use you know
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that that help maybe
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maybe they only help on a couple of courses
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or whatever but they they could help you and and I
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I guess it's the kind of thing like
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you know that that'll sound silly
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but if you're a member of Pine Valley
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it's probably easier or you're a member of Augusta
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it's easier to play the world's top hundred
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than it is if you're a
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you're a member of the local Muni
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you know that has a membership
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for example so
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you know those things you can
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you know
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you can't take that type of stuff for granted because a
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a member there that decides to do it
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has a kind of reciprocity that
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you know if all the other
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anybody from any other top hundred course
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would like to play your
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your course and if it's Pine Valley or Augusta
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or something like that or Cypress or whatever
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well obviously that's a no brainer and
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and you know
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it would be easy
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if you're willing to put in the hard yards if
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if you're a member of one of those clubs right
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yeah it's
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and I think that's
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if you're a member of anything in the
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in the world top hundred it puts you in a unique space
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that you have something to share
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and then it's about breaking out of your comfort zone
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and essentially and
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and you know
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getting on the road and and visiting places and
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you know finding out how do I
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how do I give back how do I can
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you know contribute to this whole um
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you know
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universe of these crazy guys running around the world
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to wanting to have these experiences
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and then I become part of it
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you know and that takes some work no matter
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even if you're a member of one of those clubs
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it takes some work
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because not everybody's a natural networker
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not everybody's doing those things
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but you have to be willing to put
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in the hard yards and reach out and
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you know you gotta be willing to host people
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you know and give your time to do it
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like I I was in this country and I was um
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in a unique situation
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because it's almost like being that one
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you know open contact to people coming to visit and
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and thinking and also you know
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in my mind as well
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wanting to promote golf in this country
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because nobody cared I mean
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people just didn't they care about their club
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but they didn't care to promote it as like a
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a place to come or you know what
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what's there and for me
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it was like oh wow no
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I'm in a place that has this great golf
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that nobody knows about it
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it's like there's nobody that I know
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that would ever think of in that
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in that stage of life you know
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we're talking like 2005 2006
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and I'm thinking to myself like wow
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there's amazing golf here
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nobody has a clue
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and I've never met anybody that knows about it
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now these days of course
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because of social media and because of um
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you know let's say a handful of um
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panelists from different um
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um you know
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rating panels Golf Digest
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Golf Magazine Top hundred Golf
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you know like uh
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the the
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the three what I call main
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main players in the in the industry
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you know a lot of those people have seen it now it's
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not a one day trip you gotta come for multiple days and
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um
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you know see some other things
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so that was what I that was like
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you know the
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the the
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the tool or the
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the luck or the asset that I had to share was that
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and the only thing I had to give was time
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and enthusiasm because I love those places and
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you know so I
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I did that and I and I said
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you know you're welcome
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and somebody would come
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and then the next person would call up
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or send me an email or something
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and say hey David
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yeah I'm friends with such and such
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and then you know
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heard that there's some great golf there I
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I really I would love to come see it
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and okay
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and I did and
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and it was you know
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I did that over and over and over again basically
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you know um
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wash rinse and repeat over and over again and
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and by the time you're
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you're far enough along with that
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you know you've got a
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a quite a network of people
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and you're never more than a couple of steps
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away from the next great course
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and
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you know and a lot of them
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as we know a lot of courses are
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are um
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accessible as well so
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you know that's
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you don't even have to be
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and that's the thing you know
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let's say you aren't a member of any
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any course at all it it doesn't it doesn't matter
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but you have some time and you have a
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a good enough job that you can um
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you know
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set some money aside for a couple of weeks of vacation
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a year um
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you know the first place I'd send anybody would
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would be to the UK you know
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G you know
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GBI Great Britain and Ireland and I'd say half of
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you know
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40% of the world top hundred is in these countries
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they're you can play every single one of them
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they're all accessible it's gonna cost you you know
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a perfect um
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a perfect example of how difficult it's become
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or how challenging it is
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even for the accessible places um
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you know we were
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we were on the phone actually
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Joe was on the phone today to book
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tee times at Royal County Down
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and we're talking next year so
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you know the the
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the
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the lines opened at 9 and he was on at 8:30 waiting
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you know basically in like a trying to call in
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and he's like 2 thousand in the line
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you know
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when he calls at the exact minute it opens
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how can that be you know
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how could you be No. 2,000
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that's ridiculous so he's like 2,000
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spends six hours on the phone
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to get a couple of tee times for
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for 2,027
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and the worst part after six hours on the phone
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they they put up a a message in
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the messaging system that says everything from may to
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uh September is booked out now
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so there's none left
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so every available time
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that was for visitors in those periods
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is booked out within the first
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five hours and the guys that are getting in on that
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most likely are like these
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you know the professionals
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the big travel agents and the
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and and people and
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you know we're in that group trying to
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as the professionals trying to get times
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it's incredible right
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I mean I
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I didn't have that uh
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problem with the accessible places
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like
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they were always accessible when I was running around
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chasing
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so now you gotta put in a little bit more planning
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even on the ones that are
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that are available but the point is you
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you can do it and yeah
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it's when I first did it it didn't cost anything
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and now you know
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around at Roll County Down
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and the accessible way is like £500 yeah
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so so that's a big difference as well
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so like you you
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you need to be yeah
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I mean let's
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let's not pretend it's not
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traveling around is expensive
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if you do it on the budget
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you know on a
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in a budgeted way and
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and so
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you know that's
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that's a priority you
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you have to be able to prioritize those things you
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you can better do as much as you can when you're young
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before you get before you have kids and
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you you're married and
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you know you have other responsibilities in life
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or you're doing when you're retired
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the problem with doing that type of stuff for me
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and that's what I always tell everybody is that okay
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so let's say you're 55 and you can early retire
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for example um
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you know
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what's your physical shape like
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because running around the world and chasing
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all these dreams and
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you know playing golf courses
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it's pretty hard work it
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it sounds romantic and it is
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if you're 25 and you are fit and you can do everything
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but if you're the average 55 year old
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you know
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and you've been sitting behind a desk for 30 years
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and not getting enough exercise and
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you know not used to long range flights um
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it's gonna be a lot harder than you think
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just from a physical perspective so
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so yeah you know
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like where where
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where do I stop you can go on and on
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there's great clubs that you can
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you know
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yeah I think you're usually
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you're required to be a member of like a private club
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if you're a member of a private club
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that does help a lot of things
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obviously that that depending on where you're at
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there's different levels of investment required to
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become a member of private club
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if you're in Florida
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it might be 250,000 to half a million right
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yeah um
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if you're in um
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uh
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I don't know if you're in
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Wyoming or or in Montana or in and
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and you know
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uh I
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you know you
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you you name
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you make it as crazy as you want any place
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it's probably less than what it is in Florida right
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um
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realistically but that
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that doesn't mean your club's less
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it just means yeah
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you're in a better you know
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perhaps a
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a place where you have a better opportunity to um
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you know join a great club that
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that offers a
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a great value and a wonderful experience for less
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less money if you're like me
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that was one of the lucky things
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if you're in the Netherlands
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well there's amazing clubs and it's kind of like the UK
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you know it
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it's it's
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arguably it's better value in the UK than the UK
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because I
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maybe some of the stuff in England's very good value um
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but now Ireland and uh
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Scotland
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it's just gone it
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like it's astronomical now
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yeah and it really has
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like the cost of coming to these
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to Scotland or to Ireland is just outrageous
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it's almost becoming
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affordable for the majority of people
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whereas previously
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it was so attractive because anyone could come
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and it was affordable comparatively to golf in America
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your average mini was charging
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or good mini
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would be charging
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the same as going to play the Old Course right
534
00:17:58,366 --> 00:17:59,466
right yeah
535
00:17:59,466 --> 00:18:00,033
and you know
536
00:18:00,033 --> 00:18:00,900
we can thank we
537
00:18:00,900 --> 00:18:01,666
you know we
538
00:18:01,666 --> 00:18:03,133
people have had that discussion a million times
539
00:18:03,133 --> 00:18:04,733
but we can thank American tourists for that
540
00:18:04,733 --> 00:18:06,733
because people that were yeah
541
00:18:06,733 --> 00:18:09,300
it's only but it's only reason why people in Scotland
542
00:18:09,300 --> 00:18:12,100
and England and Ireland are affording to join uh
543
00:18:12,100 --> 00:18:13,933
be members of the golf clubs as well
544
00:18:14,066 --> 00:18:17,333
hmm they pay for the green keeping staff essentially
545
00:18:17,566 --> 00:18:19,233
yeah they pay for the run of the club
546
00:18:19,233 --> 00:18:21,866
so the majority of clubs that you are member of
547
00:18:21,866 --> 00:18:22,666
in Britain
548
00:18:23,033 --> 00:18:25,533
that have now become very hard to become members of
549
00:18:25,533 --> 00:18:27,900
a very good value one thing I always thought David
550
00:18:27,900 --> 00:18:31,033
that would be a great help of anyone's would be to
551
00:18:31,233 --> 00:18:34,700
if you don't have that private club setting
552
00:18:34,700 --> 00:18:39,033
would be to go and play either your state
553
00:18:39,033 --> 00:18:40,933
or your country or your
554
00:18:40,933 --> 00:18:44,400
whatever's hundred top 100 or your list
555
00:18:44,833 --> 00:18:46,166
complete that
556
00:18:46,233 --> 00:18:48,700
and when you say you've completed that to people
557
00:18:48,700 --> 00:18:50,866
people's ears will perk up
558
00:18:51,666 --> 00:18:55,433
people hear that and go this guy knows this guy gets it
559
00:18:55,433 --> 00:18:57,300
and people are generous in golf
560
00:18:57,300 --> 00:19:00,233
there's no doubt about that yeah yeah
561
00:19:00,233 --> 00:19:01,066
I mean
562
00:19:01,366 --> 00:19:05,133
but even even that what you're what you're saying
563
00:19:05,133 --> 00:19:06,433
like I I agree with that
564
00:19:06,433 --> 00:19:07,866
I mean if you've played the
565
00:19:08,033 --> 00:19:10,300
if you go play the top hundred courses in California
566
00:19:10,300 --> 00:19:11,033
well good for you
567
00:19:11,033 --> 00:19:14,200
that's amazing because that's incredibly difficult to
568
00:19:14,233 --> 00:19:15,433
to take on a task like that
569
00:19:15,433 --> 00:19:17,066
if you play the top hundred in England
570
00:19:17,666 --> 00:19:18,933
I'm unbelievable right
571
00:19:18,933 --> 00:19:21,133
I mean that's a it's a lot of golf
572
00:19:21,133 --> 00:19:22,766
it's a lot of travel you're gonna meet
573
00:19:22,766 --> 00:19:25,533
a hell of a lot of people doing it um
574
00:19:25,900 --> 00:19:28,000
but yeah that's the kind of um
575
00:19:28,766 --> 00:19:32,466
you know ambition that probably you need to have to
576
00:19:32,866 --> 00:19:35,033
try to take on the world one um
577
00:19:35,233 --> 00:19:38,500
I I didn't the world one comes later yeah
578
00:19:38,500 --> 00:19:39,033
I mean I didn't
579
00:19:39,033 --> 00:19:39,833
you should never
580
00:19:40,333 --> 00:19:41,033
I I
581
00:19:41,033 --> 00:19:41,833
in no way
582
00:19:41,833 --> 00:19:44,333
did I set out to take on top hundred in the world I
583
00:19:44,333 --> 00:19:45,800
I wouldn't have
584
00:19:45,966 --> 00:19:48,100
I thought I had a chance to do that when I
585
00:19:48,100 --> 00:19:49,766
when I was younger I just didn't think about it
586
00:19:49,766 --> 00:19:52,100
you know and like I've told that story a million times
587
00:19:52,100 --> 00:19:54,666
but when I looked at the the first time
588
00:19:54,666 --> 00:19:56,333
when I looked at the list and thought about it
589
00:19:56,333 --> 00:19:57,700
and started counting courses
590
00:19:57,700 --> 00:19:58,433
I was like wow
591
00:19:58,433 --> 00:20:00,100
I played like you know
592
00:20:00,100 --> 00:20:02,500
58 or 60 of these or whatever it was basically
593
00:20:02,500 --> 00:20:04,266
and I'm like heck
594
00:20:04,266 --> 00:20:06,366
I could pretend laughing you know
595
00:20:06,366 --> 00:20:07,666
I could finish that someday
596
00:20:07,666 --> 00:20:09,733
I could actually do this list and
597
00:20:09,833 --> 00:20:12,733
you know then yeah
598
00:20:12,900 --> 00:20:14,733
you enjoy that kind of like
599
00:20:15,133 --> 00:20:16,066
being in that zone
600
00:20:16,066 --> 00:20:17,700
where it doesn't really matter for a while
601
00:20:17,700 --> 00:20:19,933
and until you get a little bit closer
602
00:20:19,933 --> 00:20:21,666
that you could actually finish right
603
00:20:21,666 --> 00:20:22,733
and then it becomes like
604
00:20:22,733 --> 00:20:24,666
this burden that you carry on your shoulders
605
00:20:24,666 --> 00:20:26,233
until it's done I mean
606
00:20:26,233 --> 00:20:27,266
in a fun way I'm
607
00:20:27,266 --> 00:20:29,200
I'm kidding but that that's
608
00:20:29,466 --> 00:20:31,666
you know from an experiential perspective
609
00:20:31,666 --> 00:20:33,733
if I look back on it and I go like that like wow
610
00:20:33,733 --> 00:20:34,833
you know I got 10 more
611
00:20:34,833 --> 00:20:35,966
how am I gonna get these done
612
00:20:35,966 --> 00:20:36,700
these 10 you know
613
00:20:36,700 --> 00:20:37,500
it's like uh
614
00:20:37,833 --> 00:20:39,300
I gotta run all the way around the world
615
00:20:39,300 --> 00:20:40,300
to get these 10 done
616
00:20:40,300 --> 00:20:43,466
and then I gotta figure out how to do something that
617
00:20:43,533 --> 00:20:45,100
it seems impossible right
618
00:20:45,100 --> 00:20:46,800
and get lucky and
619
00:20:47,066 --> 00:20:47,833
you know which in
620
00:20:47,833 --> 00:20:48,966
in my case would have
621
00:20:48,966 --> 00:20:50,900
would have been like in a lot of people's cases
622
00:20:50,900 --> 00:20:53,100
you know it's like something like Augusta or
623
00:20:53,100 --> 00:20:55,966
or Chicago Golf Club or Shankum Bay or
624
00:20:55,966 --> 00:20:58,533
you know whatever the these places Eliston
625
00:20:58,533 --> 00:21:02,466
you know with the almost like urban legends yeah
626
00:21:02,533 --> 00:21:03,933
well very much so well
627
00:21:03,933 --> 00:21:07,166
you see some stuff about Ardfin now and there's a yeah
628
00:21:07,166 --> 00:21:09,166
there's just these places that you just never no
629
00:21:09,166 --> 00:21:11,200
Cyprus is another one yeah
630
00:21:11,333 --> 00:21:13,433
you just very
631
00:21:13,733 --> 00:21:15,966
very small chance you'll ever get a chance
632
00:21:16,666 --> 00:21:17,466
let alone
633
00:21:19,433 --> 00:21:20,833
and that's the other thing though
634
00:21:20,833 --> 00:21:23,200
is it gets it's a journey right
635
00:21:24,700 --> 00:21:26,533
it's not about finishing to me
636
00:21:26,533 --> 00:21:28,366
it's not about finishing that journey
637
00:21:28,366 --> 00:21:29,900
the worst thing that can happen is
638
00:21:29,900 --> 00:21:31,133
you finish the journey
639
00:21:31,166 --> 00:21:34,533
because if you finish the journey a
640
00:21:34,533 --> 00:21:36,300
it's like wow
641
00:21:36,300 --> 00:21:38,066
you know you're always looking back and going
642
00:21:38,066 --> 00:21:40,933
the best part of it was all the chasing around
643
00:21:40,933 --> 00:21:42,966
and all the great people that you met and
644
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,300
you know that's it
645
00:21:44,300 --> 00:21:46,766
that is literally that's the journey
646
00:21:46,766 --> 00:21:48,133
and then people are thinking ah
647
00:21:48,133 --> 00:21:49,900
it's no it's about finishing that last course
648
00:21:49,900 --> 00:21:51,200
but it's not and and
649
00:21:51,466 --> 00:21:53,700
because finishing the last course is like
650
00:21:53,700 --> 00:21:56,333
this massive let down and you've been doing it for
651
00:21:56,333 --> 00:21:58,033
in my case 15 years or
652
00:21:58,033 --> 00:22:00,166
you know like we were with Paolo last summer and
653
00:22:00,166 --> 00:22:01,233
and yeah when he finished
654
00:22:01,233 --> 00:22:02,033
it was just about safe
655
00:22:02,433 --> 00:22:05,666
he said he'd been doing it for like 2020
656
00:22:05,666 --> 00:22:08,166
some 27 years did he say or something like that
657
00:22:08,266 --> 00:22:11,000
Paulo actually was a bizarre moment right
658
00:22:11,066 --> 00:22:12,333
there was a weird yeah
659
00:22:12,333 --> 00:22:14,566
like looking at Paulo he had all family
660
00:22:14,566 --> 00:22:15,733
there was massive Celebration
661
00:22:15,733 --> 00:22:18,233
it was a lovely event but for Paolo
662
00:22:18,233 --> 00:22:20,266
when you looked at him it's almost
663
00:22:20,266 --> 00:22:21,300
it was there was a relief
664
00:22:21,300 --> 00:22:22,733
but there was also like oh
665
00:22:22,733 --> 00:22:24,266
it's over yeah
666
00:22:24,266 --> 00:22:25,066
like it's done
667
00:22:25,566 --> 00:22:27,033
like I'm I'm a bit
668
00:22:27,033 --> 00:22:28,666
he was a wee bit down about the whole thing
669
00:22:28,666 --> 00:22:30,000
if anything because
670
00:22:30,066 --> 00:22:32,566
that journey that he was finding so much joy from
671
00:22:32,566 --> 00:22:33,900
was over yeah
672
00:22:33,900 --> 00:22:35,833
it's like this emotional I mean
673
00:22:35,833 --> 00:22:38,633
it's like you hear it with all kinds of things
674
00:22:38,633 --> 00:22:39,700
you know when you have this like
675
00:22:39,700 --> 00:22:41,100
bucket list thing that you're doing
676
00:22:41,100 --> 00:22:42,466
like when you finish your bucket list
677
00:22:42,466 --> 00:22:44,533
what does that mean it's time to die haha
678
00:22:44,533 --> 00:22:46,066
yeah it's like
679
00:22:46,100 --> 00:22:46,933
don't don't
680
00:22:46,933 --> 00:22:47,766
if you create a bucket list
681
00:22:47,766 --> 00:22:49,866
don't ever have it it shouldn't be finishable
682
00:22:49,866 --> 00:22:50,500
so you know
683
00:22:50,500 --> 00:22:52,433
the maybe that adds to
684
00:22:52,433 --> 00:22:55,266
to the longevity of life if your bucket list goes past
685
00:22:55,266 --> 00:22:55,766
you know like oh
686
00:22:55,766 --> 00:22:58,433
my bucket list I wanna be 150
687
00:22:58,566 --> 00:22:59,833
you know whatever on that you
688
00:22:59,833 --> 00:23:01,033
know put something like that on the list
689
00:23:01,033 --> 00:23:02,400
so you make sure that it uh
690
00:23:02,700 --> 00:23:05,833
it it continues on perpetually well
691
00:23:05,833 --> 00:23:08,133
most those people that have done this are gone
692
00:23:08,133 --> 00:23:09,466
and look to other ones
693
00:23:09,633 --> 00:23:11,833
they've gone to try do another list or something else
694
00:23:11,833 --> 00:23:12,533
or you know
695
00:23:12,533 --> 00:23:14,500
they're constantly looking at more lists
696
00:23:14,500 --> 00:23:18,566
whether it's a UK or the Asia or wherever
697
00:23:18,566 --> 00:23:20,466
or this a different year of list
698
00:23:20,866 --> 00:23:22,766
and I've always there was a
699
00:23:22,833 --> 00:23:24,466
there's a great saying in wine
700
00:23:24,833 --> 00:23:26,533
that when you build your wine cellar
701
00:23:26,566 --> 00:23:28,133
you want your last bottle of your
702
00:23:28,133 --> 00:23:31,100
in your wine cellar to be on your deathbed yeah
703
00:23:31,100 --> 00:23:33,866
exactly do you know it's the same kind of concept
704
00:23:33,900 --> 00:23:36,033
I mean look under the um
705
00:23:36,033 --> 00:23:38,233
under the the Muse of um
706
00:23:38,866 --> 00:23:40,266
of you know
707
00:23:41,566 --> 00:23:42,633
promoting our own thing
708
00:23:42,633 --> 00:23:45,366
which we do once in a while as well look
709
00:23:45,633 --> 00:23:46,100
you know
710
00:23:46,100 --> 00:23:48,866
if you're if you're a member of a nice club and
711
00:23:48,866 --> 00:23:49,533
and you're
712
00:23:49,533 --> 00:23:52,266
you're interested in let's let's not even say the list
713
00:23:52,266 --> 00:23:54,466
let's say having like the greatest experiences in golf
714
00:23:54,466 --> 00:23:57,166
because I think that is essentially that's a much
715
00:23:57,666 --> 00:24:00,966
that's a a much more fun longer um
716
00:24:01,033 --> 00:24:02,600
has longer longevity
717
00:24:03,166 --> 00:24:04,933
um or more longevity or whatever
718
00:24:04,933 --> 00:24:05,500
you know sorry
719
00:24:05,500 --> 00:24:07,166
I'm mixing up the words there
720
00:24:07,166 --> 00:24:10,833
but so that be just starting and
721
00:24:10,833 --> 00:24:13,666
and really delving into that journey
722
00:24:13,666 --> 00:24:15,033
and sharing that with people
723
00:24:15,033 --> 00:24:17,966
so that's one of the things that honestly I'd say I
724
00:24:17,966 --> 00:24:21,933
I miss sometimes during it because you know again
725
00:24:21,933 --> 00:24:24,300
I'm here I'm here in this country
726
00:24:24,300 --> 00:24:25,733
I'm alone I had a lot of golf friends
727
00:24:25,733 --> 00:24:28,466
but it was always traveling someplace to meet somebody
728
00:24:28,633 --> 00:24:31,066
and it wasn't a group you know
729
00:24:31,066 --> 00:24:32,733
doing things with a group ever
730
00:24:32,733 --> 00:24:35,866
and I love absolutely love that and love sharing it
731
00:24:35,900 --> 00:24:39,266
you know so something like Lockhart it well
732
00:24:39,266 --> 00:24:40,633
not something like Lockhart
733
00:24:40,633 --> 00:24:42,700
Lockhart specifically Lockhart Travel Club
734
00:24:42,700 --> 00:24:43,500
our our club
735
00:24:43,500 --> 00:24:45,600
what we're doing is
736
00:24:46,266 --> 00:24:47,466
I mean that you know
737
00:24:47,466 --> 00:24:49,200
we did 34 of the World Cup hundred
738
00:24:49,433 --> 00:24:50,733
we had opportunities for members to play
739
00:24:50,733 --> 00:24:52,533
34 of the World Cup hundred last year right
740
00:24:52,533 --> 00:24:54,266
and you know
741
00:24:54,266 --> 00:24:55,333
I didn't have anything like that
742
00:24:55,333 --> 00:24:57,366
I I would have killed or died for that
743
00:24:57,366 --> 00:24:58,966
and and that is incredible
744
00:24:58,966 --> 00:25:00,233
the people are incredible
745
00:25:00,266 --> 00:25:03,433
it's every single trip is just amazing right
746
00:25:03,433 --> 00:25:04,900
it's a party you're you're with if
747
00:25:04,900 --> 00:25:07,233
if that's your thing and you're
748
00:25:07,366 --> 00:25:07,633
you know
749
00:25:07,633 --> 00:25:09,666
you're with like minded people from all over the world
750
00:25:09,666 --> 00:25:11,433
now 25 nationalities you know
751
00:25:11,433 --> 00:25:13,166
I'm sorry I can't do a better
752
00:25:13,500 --> 00:25:15,900
advertisement for any opportunity than that
753
00:25:15,900 --> 00:25:17,100
and you know
754
00:25:17,100 --> 00:25:21,200
threshold to get in is a lot lower than joining uh
755
00:25:21,366 --> 00:25:23,233
you know joining Cyprus or Augusto or
756
00:25:23,233 --> 00:25:26,033
or Prime Valley or or whatever um
757
00:25:26,566 --> 00:25:27,366
yeah you know
758
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:31,066
it it just is so it's great fun as well
759
00:25:31,066 --> 00:25:32,866
and do you know what it's really cool about it
760
00:25:32,866 --> 00:25:35,600
is there's an appreciation for um
761
00:25:36,533 --> 00:25:40,366
for people from all sections of the world
762
00:25:40,366 --> 00:25:41,433
globe and ways of
763
00:25:41,433 --> 00:25:44,700
life and it's just a really honest and open group
764
00:25:44,700 --> 00:25:46,366
it's really quite cool I
765
00:25:46,366 --> 00:25:49,533
I was shocked about the variety of member
766
00:25:49,533 --> 00:25:51,866
while also finding them so interesting
767
00:25:51,866 --> 00:25:54,666
and polite and friendly and I did it
768
00:25:54,666 --> 00:25:56,633
yeah the membership base is really cool
769
00:25:56,766 --> 00:25:57,433
yeah I
770
00:25:57,433 --> 00:26:00,933
I absolutely 100% I I totally agree with that
771
00:26:00,933 --> 00:26:03,966
just quickly while we're still on uh
772
00:26:04,033 --> 00:26:08,466
the thoughts on the top 100 list
773
00:26:08,466 --> 00:26:11,366
I just wanna talk about uh
774
00:26:11,433 --> 00:26:12,566
the changes
775
00:26:12,966 --> 00:26:16,133
that you've seen in the trends in Top 100 lists
776
00:26:16,233 --> 00:26:21,133
across the board since you first started to now
777
00:26:21,300 --> 00:26:25,566
what has been trending up and trending down
778
00:26:26,500 --> 00:26:29,066
and which golf courses have been hurt by that
779
00:26:29,066 --> 00:26:31,233
which golf courses have succeeded from that
780
00:26:32,533 --> 00:26:33,400
um
781
00:26:35,033 --> 00:26:40,400
the the the trend is probably um towards
782
00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:45,900
Instagram and Facebook
783
00:26:45,900 --> 00:26:48,600
and courses that are beautiful on um
784
00:26:49,366 --> 00:26:54,766
you know visual spectacles that are um
785
00:26:55,566 --> 00:26:58,966
seaside properties sand based um
786
00:26:59,566 --> 00:27:00,500
sand based ground
787
00:27:00,500 --> 00:27:02,566
you know firm and fast playing surfaces
788
00:27:02,933 --> 00:27:06,900
um that's been very much back into you know
789
00:27:06,900 --> 00:27:09,466
back very much back into um
790
00:27:10,266 --> 00:27:12,733
it's it's become vogue again minimalism
791
00:27:12,733 --> 00:27:13,500
you know and
792
00:27:13,500 --> 00:27:15,733
and I'm talking over the course of many years obviously
793
00:27:15,733 --> 00:27:16,766
right you know
794
00:27:16,766 --> 00:27:19,500
it started with like um Sandhills and Bandon
795
00:27:19,500 --> 00:27:19,966
and
796
00:27:19,966 --> 00:27:22,233
Bandon Dunes and Pacific Dunes and all those things
797
00:27:22,233 --> 00:27:25,700
kind of relaunched that that second renaissance of
798
00:27:25,700 --> 00:27:27,866
of golf in the second golden age if
799
00:27:27,866 --> 00:27:29,366
if you will with all these
800
00:27:29,533 --> 00:27:31,233
you know a lot of great courses have been built in the
801
00:27:31,233 --> 00:27:31,966
last 20 years
802
00:27:31,966 --> 00:27:35,433
and I think we went through a big period where um
803
00:27:36,500 --> 00:27:37,166
you know
804
00:27:37,166 --> 00:27:39,566
you can argue yes or no if great courses were built
805
00:27:39,566 --> 00:27:40,266
they were just different
806
00:27:40,266 --> 00:27:45,066
they were they were emphasizing um you know uh
807
00:27:45,266 --> 00:27:47,533
challenging difficult golf with penal uh
808
00:27:47,533 --> 00:27:49,966
playing conditions and narrow uh
809
00:27:49,966 --> 00:27:52,733
tree line fairways very lush and um
810
00:27:53,066 --> 00:27:54,466
lush and green target golf right
811
00:27:54,466 --> 00:27:56,766
at least if I pick on the US you know
812
00:27:56,766 --> 00:28:00,533
UK has been pretty consistent I guess over the last um
813
00:28:01,233 --> 00:28:04,166
I don't know since what 17 or something like that
814
00:28:05,300 --> 00:28:06,433
when did they when sorry
815
00:28:06,433 --> 00:28:07,366
when off the top of my head
816
00:28:07,366 --> 00:28:10,500
I don't know when the Old Course started 16 or whatever
817
00:28:10,500 --> 00:28:11,900
you know like I would disagree
818
00:28:11,900 --> 00:28:13,333
I would disagree I think um
819
00:28:14,133 --> 00:28:18,333
there has been a number of golf courses within the UK
820
00:28:18,733 --> 00:28:20,766
that have leaned towards the
821
00:28:20,766 --> 00:28:21,133
that
822
00:28:21,133 --> 00:28:23,133
they've watched the stuff in America and been like
823
00:28:23,133 --> 00:28:24,966
oh I like greenness yeah
824
00:28:24,966 --> 00:28:27,266
so a lot of the courses in the UK
825
00:28:27,266 --> 00:28:28,300
that have lost their way
826
00:28:28,300 --> 00:28:30,800
kind of had lost their way points
827
00:28:31,133 --> 00:28:32,933
yeah we're now going back to the firm fast
828
00:28:32,933 --> 00:28:36,033
whereas places like in Australia never lost that yeah
829
00:28:36,066 --> 00:28:36,866
yeah okay
830
00:28:37,066 --> 00:28:38,566
that's fair I mean
831
00:28:38,566 --> 00:28:38,733
I I
832
00:28:38,733 --> 00:28:40,566
I tend to I mean
833
00:28:40,566 --> 00:28:42,333
we've talked about this and laughed about it before
834
00:28:42,333 --> 00:28:46,400
but I tend to believe that nobody does lush green
835
00:28:46,966 --> 00:28:49,566
um over exaggerated
836
00:28:49,566 --> 00:28:52,266
way too much money put into a golf course uh
837
00:28:52,266 --> 00:28:55,366
conditions as the US we we own that yeah
838
00:28:55,366 --> 00:28:56,266
I know but they
839
00:28:56,466 --> 00:28:58,300
they own it to the point where you have to have
840
00:28:58,300 --> 00:29:02,066
50 million green keepers and then you can play it
841
00:29:03,233 --> 00:29:05,033
and it's beautiful golf it's very cool
842
00:29:05,033 --> 00:29:06,400
it's an experience
843
00:29:06,700 --> 00:29:09,933
if you're used to using your putter from 100 yards out
844
00:29:09,933 --> 00:29:12,133
you're not gonna be able to do that anymore no
845
00:29:12,133 --> 00:29:13,533
that's not happening too much in fact
846
00:29:13,533 --> 00:29:16,966
if you're anywhere beyond the actual green surface
847
00:29:16,966 --> 00:29:19,866
you probably wouldn't use your putter too often yeah
848
00:29:19,866 --> 00:29:20,533
well it's
849
00:29:20,533 --> 00:29:22,600
it's an interesting one because it's
850
00:29:22,833 --> 00:29:25,100
I think there's uh yeah
851
00:29:25,100 --> 00:29:28,033
links golf is loved and the firm and yes
852
00:29:28,033 --> 00:29:29,966
because strategic golf you have more shot options
853
00:29:29,966 --> 00:29:32,033
you have a variety of uh thought
854
00:29:32,033 --> 00:29:33,933
processing that you have to go through to be able to
855
00:29:33,933 --> 00:29:34,900
then choose the right shot
856
00:29:34,900 --> 00:29:36,066
it means you have um
857
00:29:36,666 --> 00:29:39,066
it's better for the high player than the low player
858
00:29:39,066 --> 00:29:39,966
sorry the low player
859
00:29:39,966 --> 00:29:41,366
better for the high player than the low player
860
00:29:41,366 --> 00:29:44,166
cause the low player then has to choose
861
00:29:44,166 --> 00:29:45,800
there's lots of good reasons right
862
00:29:46,166 --> 00:29:50,633
but I do think it doesn't help that in America
863
00:29:51,166 --> 00:29:51,966
you have this
864
00:29:51,966 --> 00:29:57,400
so many great versions of Parkland golf that uh
865
00:29:57,766 --> 00:29:59,333
and no links golf
866
00:30:00,133 --> 00:30:01,033
and when you have
867
00:30:01,033 --> 00:30:03,766
a lot of these lists are decided by Americans
868
00:30:05,466 --> 00:30:07,800
when you when you try the special thing
869
00:30:08,100 --> 00:30:09,833
that you get to taste every so often
870
00:30:09,833 --> 00:30:11,633
it tastes so much better than when you get to eat it
871
00:30:11,633 --> 00:30:13,033
every day can't argue with
872
00:30:13,033 --> 00:30:15,633
that James that's I agree with that 100%
873
00:30:15,633 --> 00:30:17,566
so if it was if it was the other way around
874
00:30:17,566 --> 00:30:18,366
would
875
00:30:18,966 --> 00:30:21,466
would it be that Parkland
876
00:30:21,466 --> 00:30:24,333
golf was the one that everyone was talking about
877
00:30:24,333 --> 00:30:26,233
because everyone's used to the ground game
878
00:30:26,733 --> 00:30:27,633
you know I don't know
879
00:30:27,633 --> 00:30:30,466
it's a it's a it's a thought it's not the right one
880
00:30:30,466 --> 00:30:32,766
but it's well it's a discussion why is um
881
00:30:32,766 --> 00:30:33,433
I mean there
882
00:30:33,433 --> 00:30:37,066
we could like without picking on particular courses
883
00:30:37,066 --> 00:30:40,400
right if I if we look at a dare manner um
884
00:30:40,733 --> 00:30:41,566
you know
885
00:30:42,266 --> 00:30:44,100
that's a solid golf course um
886
00:30:44,100 --> 00:30:45,633
I've heard many people say
887
00:30:45,833 --> 00:30:47,900
you know Irish people saying oh
888
00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:48,700
it's one of the best course
889
00:30:48,700 --> 00:30:49,700
it's the best course in Ireland
890
00:30:49,700 --> 00:30:51,600
or one of the best courses in Ireland well
891
00:30:52,300 --> 00:30:54,933
okay I mean from from the view of uh
892
00:30:55,566 --> 00:30:58,133
you know somebody's played a lot of Parkland golf to me
893
00:30:58,233 --> 00:31:00,366
I like links golf I'm a links guy
894
00:31:00,366 --> 00:31:02,033
you know like a member of the links course
895
00:31:02,033 --> 00:31:04,033
I like links golf better um
896
00:31:04,033 --> 00:31:05,866
so if you told me that was the best course in Ireland
897
00:31:05,866 --> 00:31:07,266
I'd obviously argue that I said
898
00:31:07,266 --> 00:31:10,866
I'd say it's a great course and a spectacular setting
899
00:31:10,866 --> 00:31:13,133
you know with the with
900
00:31:13,500 --> 00:31:15,933
you know with the manner there and everything and but
901
00:31:16,566 --> 00:31:18,733
but is it the one of the best course in Ireland
902
00:31:18,733 --> 00:31:19,566
to me it's not
903
00:31:19,566 --> 00:31:21,766
because I like links golf
904
00:31:21,766 --> 00:31:23,700
and links golf would have a priority so
905
00:31:23,700 --> 00:31:24,566
you know I'm gonna put a lot
906
00:31:24,566 --> 00:31:26,400
of links golf courses ahead of uh
907
00:31:26,900 --> 00:31:27,766
of of
908
00:31:27,766 --> 00:31:29,233
of course designed by Fazio
909
00:31:29,233 --> 00:31:30,266
and I you know
910
00:31:30,266 --> 00:31:31,900
I'm a fan of I'm a fan of Fazio as well as
911
00:31:31,900 --> 00:31:32,866
you know but um
912
00:31:33,066 --> 00:31:34,433
but still you know
913
00:31:34,433 --> 00:31:35,733
put that course in the
914
00:31:35,900 --> 00:31:38,000
in the middle of Ireland with the
915
00:31:38,533 --> 00:31:41,066
you know your lehinches and water bills and
916
00:31:41,333 --> 00:31:45,100
and ballybunnions and portmarnocks and everything there
917
00:31:45,100 --> 00:31:46,066
and I'm like hmm
918
00:31:46,066 --> 00:31:47,933
no that's not yeah
919
00:31:47,933 --> 00:31:52,033
but that's because they don't play outside of Ireland
920
00:31:52,033 --> 00:31:54,733
uh men might you play some stuff in the UK
921
00:31:54,733 --> 00:31:55,666
but it's because
922
00:31:55,666 --> 00:31:57,433
the majority of their golf played on links land
923
00:31:57,433 --> 00:31:58,366
so the one point
924
00:31:58,366 --> 00:32:01,333
that they get to be able to do that style of golf
925
00:32:01,366 --> 00:32:04,166
at that standard which is very rare in
926
00:32:04,500 --> 00:32:06,300
of the greenkeeping yeah
927
00:32:06,300 --> 00:32:08,033
it's very rare in the UK
928
00:32:08,033 --> 00:32:09,666
I don't think people realize how
929
00:32:10,033 --> 00:32:11,566
pristine the stuff in America is
930
00:32:11,566 --> 00:32:14,100
comparatively to the UK stuff yeah
931
00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:15,033
a lot of I mean
932
00:32:15,033 --> 00:32:15,866
well I mean
933
00:32:15,866 --> 00:32:17,266
it's for obvious reasons right
934
00:32:17,266 --> 00:32:17,533
because
935
00:32:17,533 --> 00:32:19,966
it's expensive to maintain a golf course like that
936
00:32:20,966 --> 00:32:22,900
and that takes a lot of green keepers
937
00:32:22,900 --> 00:32:24,366
it takes a lot of resources
938
00:32:24,366 --> 00:32:26,933
and in order somebody's got to pay those bills right
939
00:32:26,933 --> 00:32:28,400
so it's like um
940
00:32:28,733 --> 00:32:31,133
members members have to
941
00:32:31,266 --> 00:32:32,366
have to foot the Bill for that
942
00:32:32,366 --> 00:32:35,266
so that means that your your membership dues
943
00:32:35,266 --> 00:32:36,933
your annual dues your joining fees
944
00:32:36,933 --> 00:32:38,733
everything's got to be you know
945
00:32:38,833 --> 00:32:42,533
like multiples higher than what it would be in
946
00:32:42,533 --> 00:32:43,700
in Great Britain and Ireland
947
00:32:43,700 --> 00:32:45,333
so if you have a you know
948
00:32:45,333 --> 00:32:46,633
if you're if you're borrowing
949
00:32:46,633 --> 00:32:50,466
you have a few sheep and some cows maintaining doing
950
00:32:51,633 --> 00:32:52,333
you know whatever
951
00:32:52,333 --> 00:32:53,333
keeping the grasses short
952
00:32:53,333 --> 00:32:54,266
I won't I won't
953
00:32:54,300 --> 00:32:55,466
you know I was joking
954
00:32:55,466 --> 00:32:57,233
but I won't say that they're
955
00:32:57,333 --> 00:32:58,866
you know doing all the maintenance work or whatever
956
00:32:58,866 --> 00:33:00,633
that wouldn't be fair to the greenkeeping staff
957
00:33:00,633 --> 00:33:01,366
but um
958
00:33:01,366 --> 00:33:03,933
but it allows the greenkeeping staff to be
959
00:33:03,933 --> 00:33:07,433
you know a small handful as opposed to an army of guys
960
00:33:07,433 --> 00:33:07,900
basically
961
00:33:07,900 --> 00:33:10,500
this podcast is brought to you by Echo Shoes
962
00:33:10,500 --> 00:33:13,233
particularly their new Biom C5 David
963
00:33:13,233 --> 00:33:15,666
I know you have a wee bit of a fondness for an Echo
964
00:33:15,666 --> 00:33:16,366
yeah no
965
00:33:16,366 --> 00:33:16,833
no doubt
966
00:33:16,833 --> 00:33:19,333
I am literally a walking advertisement for Echo
967
00:33:19,333 --> 00:33:20,366
and I I have been
968
00:33:20,366 --> 00:33:22,466
it's really funny so it's ironic
969
00:33:22,900 --> 00:33:25,233
it's wonderful for me that um
970
00:33:25,233 --> 00:33:26,966
you know Echo's uh
971
00:33:27,700 --> 00:33:29,266
become a great supporter of Top Hundred
972
00:33:29,266 --> 00:33:31,433
and we have this partnership going
973
00:33:31,433 --> 00:33:33,633
and I would say that um
974
00:33:34,766 --> 00:33:36,633
yeah without beyond a shadow of a doubt
975
00:33:36,633 --> 00:33:37,466
as everybody knows
976
00:33:37,466 --> 00:33:39,433
I've said this probably a million times
977
00:33:39,433 --> 00:33:41,466
even before that um
978
00:33:41,833 --> 00:33:43,566
I I can honestly say
979
00:33:43,566 --> 00:33:45,966
I played the world top hundred in my echoes
980
00:33:45,966 --> 00:33:48,233
so hahaha and
981
00:33:48,233 --> 00:33:48,733
and you know
982
00:33:48,733 --> 00:33:50,600
like I had um
983
00:33:50,666 --> 00:33:52,666
and there and there was a really the
984
00:33:52,700 --> 00:33:55,166
my reason I had a really good reason for it
985
00:33:55,166 --> 00:33:57,433
so I had some um
986
00:33:57,466 --> 00:33:58,833
I had some foot issues
987
00:33:58,833 --> 00:34:00,866
when I first started playing a lot of golf and
988
00:34:00,866 --> 00:34:03,466
walking a lot and like I had a tennis background
989
00:34:03,466 --> 00:34:05,300
I spent years running around and you know
990
00:34:05,300 --> 00:34:07,533
diving around tennis court and stuff like that for
991
00:34:07,533 --> 00:34:08,933
for a really long time
992
00:34:08,933 --> 00:34:11,333
and that takes a toll because it was hard courts
993
00:34:11,400 --> 00:34:13,033
and so hard courts there's a lot of
994
00:34:13,033 --> 00:34:16,133
you know things going on with your feet and um
995
00:34:16,133 --> 00:34:19,266
and as I when I started to get a little bit older
996
00:34:19,533 --> 00:34:20,866
not even old you know
997
00:34:20,866 --> 00:34:24,233
like in in my 30s I had you know
998
00:34:24,233 --> 00:34:25,500
my feet were bothering me
999
00:34:25,500 --> 00:34:28,033
when I had to do long walks and stuff like that
1000
00:34:28,033 --> 00:34:29,766
and it was often the shoes
1001
00:34:29,833 --> 00:34:31,266
and so I was searching searching
1002
00:34:31,266 --> 00:34:33,266
searching for when I started playing golf
1003
00:34:33,266 --> 00:34:34,766
and it was all walking golf
1004
00:34:34,966 --> 00:34:36,566
you know and you can let's face it
1005
00:34:36,566 --> 00:34:38,633
you can walk quite a bit in around the golf
1006
00:34:38,633 --> 00:34:40,633
you know you could what I mean what is it James
1007
00:34:40,633 --> 00:34:43,133
is it um is it three miles five miles
1008
00:34:43,133 --> 00:34:46,033
I mean four and a half miles is the standard golf round
1009
00:34:46,166 --> 00:34:47,533
so four and a half miles right
1010
00:34:47,533 --> 00:34:50,266
so four and a half miles of walking when your feet hurt
1011
00:34:50,566 --> 00:34:52,300
it's the worst thing ever
1012
00:34:52,300 --> 00:34:56,233
and like I had so many rounds where I would get done
1013
00:34:56,233 --> 00:34:57,166
and you know
1014
00:34:57,300 --> 00:34:59,933
when I first started playing golf and I just
1015
00:34:59,933 --> 00:35:00,866
I couldn't take it like
1016
00:35:00,866 --> 00:35:01,833
I had to get the shoes off
1017
00:35:01,833 --> 00:35:04,933
and my feet were just throbbing and
1018
00:35:04,966 --> 00:35:07,100
you know I ran into Echo
1019
00:35:07,100 --> 00:35:11,033
probably in you know 2007
1020
00:35:11,033 --> 00:35:12,466
2008 2009
1021
00:35:12,466 --> 00:35:13,433
whatever the year was
1022
00:35:13,433 --> 00:35:16,133
it was before I started my journey really for the for
1023
00:35:16,133 --> 00:35:19,300
for playing the world top hundred and it
1024
00:35:19,300 --> 00:35:21,533
it the the shoe at the time
1025
00:35:21,666 --> 00:35:23,166
so I started I
1026
00:35:23,166 --> 00:35:25,566
I actually wore a lot of Nikes when I first started
1027
00:35:25,566 --> 00:35:27,066
cause I I had a couple of buddies
1028
00:35:27,066 --> 00:35:29,633
working for the Nike headquarters here in Hilverseum
1029
00:35:29,666 --> 00:35:31,833
and they were literally I mean
1030
00:35:31,933 --> 00:35:32,966
you know not to take away from Nike
1031
00:35:32,966 --> 00:35:34,066
they were giving me the shoes
1032
00:35:34,066 --> 00:35:35,300
because they were working there
1033
00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:38,066
they had them in abundance in the early days like they
1034
00:35:38,333 --> 00:35:39,100
you know they had those shoes
1035
00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:40,866
and a couple of the guys were Nike golfing
1036
00:35:40,866 --> 00:35:41,666
so I was lucky
1037
00:35:41,666 --> 00:35:43,833
I knew the guys in the space and they were just like
1038
00:35:43,833 --> 00:35:44,766
yeah you want another pair
1039
00:35:44,766 --> 00:35:46,133
we got another one these were testers
1040
00:35:46,133 --> 00:35:48,233
you know take these or whatever and
1041
00:35:48,233 --> 00:35:50,166
and so I was lucky that I had a shoe size
1042
00:35:50,166 --> 00:35:52,133
that they had a lot of testers in basically
1043
00:35:52,133 --> 00:35:54,033
so I got a lot of free shoes and
1044
00:35:54,033 --> 00:35:56,033
but the shoes were hurting my feet actually
1045
00:35:56,166 --> 00:35:57,233
so um and it's funny
1046
00:35:57,233 --> 00:35:58,266
just the golf ones were
1047
00:35:58,266 --> 00:35:59,433
and I don't know if that's because of the way
1048
00:35:59,433 --> 00:36:01,033
the cleats on the bottom were
1049
00:36:01,033 --> 00:36:02,766
you know the spikes were or or whatever
1050
00:36:02,766 --> 00:36:07,133
but they were killing my feet on hard surfaces
1051
00:36:07,433 --> 00:36:11,666
and so I at one point I ran into the echoes
1052
00:36:11,666 --> 00:36:12,500
which just seemed to have
1053
00:36:12,500 --> 00:36:14,666
a really good fit for me for my
1054
00:36:14,766 --> 00:36:18,600
for my foot and even better um
1055
00:36:19,300 --> 00:36:20,833
I was having you know
1056
00:36:20,833 --> 00:36:24,566
I could walk without the pain of that that I
1057
00:36:24,566 --> 00:36:27,766
that I had and these are even pre the insol days and
1058
00:36:27,766 --> 00:36:29,366
and later I I started
1059
00:36:29,366 --> 00:36:29,566
you know
1060
00:36:29,566 --> 00:36:32,133
their shoes got better and better really fast actually
1061
00:36:32,133 --> 00:36:35,533
so and then I think it was roughly 2,010 or something
1062
00:36:35,533 --> 00:36:36,733
they they came out my
1063
00:36:36,733 --> 00:36:38,300
maybe it was 11 or maybe it was 9
1064
00:36:38,300 --> 00:36:39,666
I don't know the exact year it was
1065
00:36:39,666 --> 00:36:40,833
but they they came out with like
1066
00:36:40,833 --> 00:36:43,433
these Freddy couples casual shoes
1067
00:36:43,966 --> 00:36:46,433
and I mean literally for
1068
00:36:46,433 --> 00:36:48,233
for me it's like it was almost the
1069
00:36:48,233 --> 00:36:50,733
it was the game changer because a
1070
00:36:50,733 --> 00:36:52,566
I started wearing them everywhere
1071
00:36:52,566 --> 00:36:54,333
so I was like I was pretty
1072
00:36:54,333 --> 00:36:55,666
you know I wasn't an old guy
1073
00:36:55,666 --> 00:36:57,166
but I was that guy who was
1074
00:36:57,166 --> 00:36:59,566
you know wearing those in my free time all the time
1075
00:36:59,566 --> 00:37:01,166
I was wearing them free time
1076
00:37:01,166 --> 00:37:02,566
the golf course to free time
1077
00:37:02,566 --> 00:37:04,233
and I had like five pairs of them
1078
00:37:04,233 --> 00:37:07,333
and I've always ever ever since that time
1079
00:37:07,433 --> 00:37:10,700
you know I've been the guy who's got 10 pairs of echoes
1080
00:37:10,700 --> 00:37:11,633
basically you know
1081
00:37:11,633 --> 00:37:12,466
these golf shoes
1082
00:37:12,466 --> 00:37:15,033
and I'm wearing them literally all the time
1083
00:37:15,033 --> 00:37:16,633
unless I'm in like a dress shoe or something
1084
00:37:16,633 --> 00:37:17,866
and funny enough
1085
00:37:17,866 --> 00:37:19,833
I even have a couple of pairs of Echo dress shoes
1086
00:37:19,833 --> 00:37:21,466
just because their shoe
1087
00:37:21,466 --> 00:37:23,933
for whatever reason is a perfect fit for me
1088
00:37:23,933 --> 00:37:25,333
and and they got better and better
1089
00:37:25,333 --> 00:37:27,666
so now I hear like tons of people uh
1090
00:37:27,666 --> 00:37:28,733
you know I hear
1091
00:37:28,733 --> 00:37:31,100
and run into tons of people that are wearing them
1092
00:37:31,100 --> 00:37:32,633
they got a lot better looking
1093
00:37:32,633 --> 00:37:34,033
I mean the casual ones that
1094
00:37:34,033 --> 00:37:35,033
that they came out with
1095
00:37:35,033 --> 00:37:38,300
with couples were really good looking shoe and and
1096
00:37:38,300 --> 00:37:40,733
and they still make them in that style even
1097
00:37:40,733 --> 00:37:43,166
you know it was that good a looking shoe that it's it's
1098
00:37:43,166 --> 00:37:44,633
you know we're 15
1099
00:37:44,633 --> 00:37:46,833
16 years later and and they're
1100
00:37:46,866 --> 00:37:48,266
they're still really popular
1101
00:37:48,333 --> 00:37:49,866
but they're super comfortable and that
1102
00:37:49,866 --> 00:37:51,833
that's even better but then they came out with the
1103
00:37:52,233 --> 00:37:52,833
you know the
1104
00:37:52,833 --> 00:37:54,100
the like Gore Tex shoes
1105
00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:56,533
and those have been wonderful for me
1106
00:37:56,533 --> 00:37:57,300
I live in the Netherlands
1107
00:37:57,300 --> 00:37:59,233
it rains all the time you wanna play
1108
00:37:59,233 --> 00:38:00,433
if you wanna play golf
1109
00:38:00,666 --> 00:38:03,900
and you wanna play golf in the sun with no rain
1110
00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:05,300
you don't play golf in this country
1111
00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:06,533
you need to go someplace else
1112
00:38:06,533 --> 00:38:07,833
maybe like Scotland to play golf
1113
00:38:07,833 --> 00:38:09,933
because there's a lot more sun than
1114
00:38:09,933 --> 00:38:11,433
I think we have here so
1115
00:38:11,733 --> 00:38:13,100
and they came out with the
1116
00:38:13,100 --> 00:38:13,766
with all the the
1117
00:38:13,766 --> 00:38:15,100
the Gore Tex you know
1118
00:38:15,100 --> 00:38:16,666
the beyond shoes with Gore Tex
1119
00:38:16,666 --> 00:38:18,700
and I like the ones with the
1120
00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:19,800
with the um
1121
00:38:20,066 --> 00:38:21,100
I forget it I'm sorry
1122
00:38:21,100 --> 00:38:23,133
I should know the name of the twisting
1123
00:38:23,166 --> 00:38:24,833
I know what you mean the weird shoe
1124
00:38:24,933 --> 00:38:28,066
the the shoelaces that are just twisting exactly
1125
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:29,633
and I love that shoe and so
1126
00:38:29,633 --> 00:38:32,333
I've been I've been wearing those shoes for
1127
00:38:32,333 --> 00:38:33,133
you know
1128
00:38:33,566 --> 00:38:34,933
Boa that's what it's called Boa
1129
00:38:34,933 --> 00:38:35,866
so um
1130
00:38:36,466 --> 00:38:39,733
those those boa shoes I've been wearing for
1131
00:38:39,733 --> 00:38:40,766
since I came out with them
1132
00:38:40,766 --> 00:38:42,133
you know I had my first one on
1133
00:38:42,133 --> 00:38:43,066
I was just like okay
1134
00:38:43,066 --> 00:38:44,700
I'm the guy who also is
1135
00:38:44,700 --> 00:38:46,900
lazy enough that I prefer not to lace the shoes
1136
00:38:46,900 --> 00:38:47,866
if I have to
1137
00:38:47,900 --> 00:38:50,933
and they did a really good job of making it not
1138
00:38:50,933 --> 00:38:51,833
not so ugly
1139
00:38:51,833 --> 00:38:54,066
like some of the other shoes that were lace less shoes
1140
00:38:54,133 --> 00:38:54,733
so you know
1141
00:38:54,733 --> 00:38:55,300
it just oh
1142
00:38:55,300 --> 00:38:56,300
it has that little knob on it
1143
00:38:56,300 --> 00:38:57,500
the knob has a little profile
1144
00:38:57,500 --> 00:38:58,800
I thought it was cool looking
1145
00:38:58,933 --> 00:39:00,100
you know and and
1146
00:39:00,100 --> 00:39:02,133
and good enough it fits that to my
1147
00:39:02,533 --> 00:39:05,366
you know fit my style well enough and
1148
00:39:05,833 --> 00:39:06,833
and then I'm like okay
1149
00:39:06,833 --> 00:39:08,700
I I want these in all and
1150
00:39:08,700 --> 00:39:10,266
you know all the colors basically
1151
00:39:10,266 --> 00:39:12,533
so like I've I've got and that's
1152
00:39:12,866 --> 00:39:13,966
and that's a good advertisement
1153
00:39:13,966 --> 00:39:14,900
even though I I
1154
00:39:14,900 --> 00:39:15,533
you know I didn't
1155
00:39:15,533 --> 00:39:17,066
I paid I bought every one of them
1156
00:39:17,066 --> 00:39:19,200
so like I've got a whole well
1157
00:39:19,333 --> 00:39:23,533
you know wardrobe of these Echo shoes that I paid and
1158
00:39:23,533 --> 00:39:28,300
you know from whatever two €200 to €250 for basically
1159
00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:29,433
and um
1160
00:39:29,733 --> 00:39:31,733
and I I love them and they're
1161
00:39:31,733 --> 00:39:32,266
they're great
1162
00:39:32,266 --> 00:39:34,066
they're what I've been playing all the time
1163
00:39:34,166 --> 00:39:35,233
um they got the new
1164
00:39:35,233 --> 00:39:36,500
this new one that came out
1165
00:39:36,500 --> 00:39:36,966
sorry I didn't
1166
00:39:36,966 --> 00:39:38,766
I need to even actually look up the
1167
00:39:38,766 --> 00:39:42,100
name of it you said so the bio C5 the I
1168
00:39:42,100 --> 00:39:45,100
I I say biom is it biome I don't know
1169
00:39:45,100 --> 00:39:48,333
I'm just think bio biodynamic or bio biology
1170
00:39:48,333 --> 00:39:49,466
you're probably right
1171
00:39:49,466 --> 00:39:52,533
and I think in the Netherlands it's biom uh yeah
1172
00:39:52,533 --> 00:39:54,233
because I've heard them say it like a million times
1173
00:39:54,233 --> 00:39:57,500
but to this Echo Biom C5 right
1174
00:39:57,500 --> 00:39:59,633
I don't have one yet and I want one
1175
00:39:59,700 --> 00:40:02,066
I or probably I shouldn't say one
1176
00:40:02,066 --> 00:40:04,466
I want several of them because you know
1177
00:40:04,466 --> 00:40:07,300
I that's that's my go to basically
1178
00:40:07,300 --> 00:40:08,233
so um
1179
00:40:08,333 --> 00:40:11,366
that they did the it's probably the C4 whatever
1180
00:40:11,366 --> 00:40:14,133
whatever one was the last year's model
1181
00:40:14,166 --> 00:40:15,533
like I could run down and grab one
1182
00:40:15,533 --> 00:40:17,300
but I thought they were beautiful
1183
00:40:17,300 --> 00:40:19,100
and was hoping they wouldn't change those
1184
00:40:19,100 --> 00:40:21,266
and they are so comfortable and they
1185
00:40:21,266 --> 00:40:22,633
and they have that the thing on them
1186
00:40:22,633 --> 00:40:24,533
so anyway I'm excited to see the next one
1187
00:40:24,533 --> 00:40:25,866
it's supposed to be really stable
1188
00:40:25,866 --> 00:40:27,233
it has the it's what you know
1189
00:40:27,233 --> 00:40:29,433
it also has the Gore Tex it's waterproof basically
1190
00:40:29,700 --> 00:40:31,100
and the waterproofing has been wonderful
1191
00:40:31,100 --> 00:40:32,333
with those shoes like I
1192
00:40:32,333 --> 00:40:35,033
I can't tell you how many times in the beginning
1193
00:40:35,033 --> 00:40:37,533
even in the early shoes early years with the
1194
00:40:37,733 --> 00:40:40,500
the casual echoes my feet were just soaking wet
1195
00:40:40,500 --> 00:40:42,633
you know because I'm playing in the rain all the time
1196
00:40:42,633 --> 00:40:44,366
half the time basically so um
1197
00:40:44,533 --> 00:40:46,366
when that when that changed that was awesome
1198
00:40:46,366 --> 00:40:49,766
and and the the ones that one of the great things
1199
00:40:49,766 --> 00:40:50,466
about the other
1200
00:40:50,466 --> 00:40:53,666
the other ones was that they're so stable for me
1201
00:40:53,666 --> 00:40:54,900
so like you know
1202
00:40:54,900 --> 00:40:56,166
if you're you know
1203
00:40:56,166 --> 00:40:58,333
think about how important the connection and it
1204
00:40:58,333 --> 00:41:00,566
this sounds like it literally sounds like a total ad
1205
00:41:00,566 --> 00:41:02,466
and and I'm don't I don't mean it like that
1206
00:41:02,466 --> 00:41:07,633
but you know if you're if you have a good connection
1207
00:41:07,633 --> 00:41:09,533
like I even have an insole in mine as well right
1208
00:41:09,533 --> 00:41:11,100
so I have that kind of double thing
1209
00:41:11,100 --> 00:41:14,533
but if you if you have an insole in your shoe or
1210
00:41:14,533 --> 00:41:16,166
you know the shoes are really comfortable
1211
00:41:16,166 --> 00:41:17,433
and they're really stable
1212
00:41:19,166 --> 00:41:20,800
that helps your golf swing a lot
1213
00:41:21,033 --> 00:41:22,866
and even in dry conditions right
1214
00:41:22,866 --> 00:41:25,233
that's that stable base is
1215
00:41:25,366 --> 00:41:27,066
you know for me that's super key
1216
00:41:27,066 --> 00:41:28,266
I'm all over the place anyway
1217
00:41:28,266 --> 00:41:30,466
you know not quite Scotty Schauffele type
1218
00:41:30,466 --> 00:41:33,966
but but but getting there so that
1219
00:41:34,100 --> 00:41:35,533
you know that the last one
1220
00:41:35,533 --> 00:41:37,633
that's one of the things that have stuck out is
1221
00:41:37,633 --> 00:41:38,666
is how
1222
00:41:39,233 --> 00:41:40,100
grounded you feel
1223
00:41:40,100 --> 00:41:41,733
when you're standing on top of the shoe
1224
00:41:41,733 --> 00:41:44,166
and you're gonna play anyway that
1225
00:41:44,300 --> 00:41:46,066
you know and and that's a no well
1226
00:41:46,066 --> 00:41:48,333
David I have to admit
1227
00:41:49,233 --> 00:41:50,466
um I listen to a lot of podcasts
1228
00:41:50,466 --> 00:41:52,166
I know you do a bit as well
1229
00:41:52,166 --> 00:41:54,533
and one thing I would say is
1230
00:41:54,533 --> 00:41:56,200
I've never heard a ad read
1231
00:41:56,333 --> 00:41:57,766
go on for five minutes before it was
1232
00:41:58,333 --> 00:41:59,533
that was just pure passion
1233
00:41:59,533 --> 00:42:00,566
which is um
1234
00:42:00,566 --> 00:42:02,500
I'm sure that Echo will be very happy with the
1235
00:42:02,500 --> 00:42:04,766
fact that the ad wasn't an ad
1236
00:42:04,766 --> 00:42:06,933
it was literally you just shouting about
1237
00:42:06,933 --> 00:42:08,833
from the rooftops about something you adore
1238
00:42:09,033 --> 00:42:10,500
so yeah yeah
1239
00:42:10,500 --> 00:42:11,733
no it's that that's
1240
00:42:11,733 --> 00:42:13,600
that's true and there's only
1241
00:42:13,666 --> 00:42:17,466
I can only think of a couple of products that I have
1242
00:42:17,466 --> 00:42:20,766
that I would profess that much
1243
00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:22,833
one of one of them is obviously a travel bag
1244
00:42:22,833 --> 00:42:24,566
I'm not gonna mention it but anyway yeah
1245
00:42:24,566 --> 00:42:25,900
so one's a travel bag
1246
00:42:25,900 --> 00:42:29,800
I got the shoes and that's half the battle right there
1247
00:42:30,033 --> 00:42:32,666
yeah as if you're doing the world's uh
1248
00:42:32,666 --> 00:42:33,466
top 100
1249
00:42:33,466 --> 00:42:36,533
you need to be able to trust where your clubs are going
1250
00:42:36,533 --> 00:42:39,133
and never get sore feet exactly
1251
00:42:39,733 --> 00:42:41,900
yeah the rest you can sort out along the way
1252
00:42:41,900 --> 00:42:43,633
so just a couple of uh
1253
00:42:44,033 --> 00:42:46,166
things about the Echo BMC5
1254
00:42:46,166 --> 00:42:48,466
every detail's crafted for the perfect feel
1255
00:42:48,733 --> 00:42:50,233
and I know David
1256
00:42:50,233 --> 00:42:52,633
and his many adventures in golf have enjoyed
1257
00:42:52,666 --> 00:42:53,633
echoes over the years
1258
00:42:53,633 --> 00:42:54,733
but these have been designed to play
1259
00:42:54,733 --> 00:42:56,766
and built for comfort so uh
1260
00:42:56,766 --> 00:42:57,666
thank you very much Echo
1261
00:42:57,666 --> 00:42:58,800
appreciate it a lot
1262
00:42:58,933 --> 00:43:01,633
you played I think over 1,000 golf courses
1263
00:43:01,633 --> 00:43:02,866
which is a few
1264
00:43:02,866 --> 00:43:04,433
which golf course is your biggest surprise
1265
00:43:04,433 --> 00:43:07,166
I think it changes it probably changes every year James
1266
00:43:07,166 --> 00:43:10,633
my biggest surprise last year was probably
1267
00:43:12,100 --> 00:43:16,433
um either Sand Valley in Poland or Oland's Golf Club in
1268
00:43:16,433 --> 00:43:17,233
um
1269
00:43:17,533 --> 00:43:19,266
in in uh
1270
00:43:19,266 --> 00:43:22,033
uh on Oland's island
1271
00:43:22,266 --> 00:43:24,833
um between Finland and Sweden
1272
00:43:25,866 --> 00:43:27,233
and so certainly
1273
00:43:27,233 --> 00:43:30,533
those were the two biggest surprises last year
1274
00:43:30,533 --> 00:43:32,633
like ever I'd have to think about it
1275
00:43:32,633 --> 00:43:34,633
like my spontaneous answer I
1276
00:43:34,633 --> 00:43:36,066
I don't think I have a
1277
00:43:36,066 --> 00:43:39,233
a spontaneous biggest surprise answer
1278
00:43:39,233 --> 00:43:39,866
there's um
1279
00:43:39,866 --> 00:43:41,366
there's not many golf courses
1280
00:43:41,366 --> 00:43:41,900
that's the
1281
00:43:41,900 --> 00:43:44,266
that's the cool thing about those two you just said
1282
00:43:44,300 --> 00:43:46,033
is there's not many golf courses in the world
1283
00:43:46,033 --> 00:43:47,566
now that you wouldn't have played
1284
00:43:47,566 --> 00:43:50,766
in terms of the recognised group of golf courses
1285
00:43:50,766 --> 00:43:52,333
that everyone knows the name of
1286
00:43:52,466 --> 00:43:56,933
so to be able to still get surprises in golf
1287
00:43:56,933 --> 00:43:58,866
shows you how much golf there is out there
1288
00:43:58,866 --> 00:43:59,966
that people don't realize
1289
00:43:59,966 --> 00:44:02,633
that you can go and play and get an honest
1290
00:44:02,866 --> 00:44:04,500
cool experience right
1291
00:44:04,500 --> 00:44:05,433
which golf course
1292
00:44:05,433 --> 00:44:07,166
do you think has the best set of par threes
1293
00:44:07,166 --> 00:44:10,466
probably Pine Valley or Cypress or one
1294
00:44:10,466 --> 00:44:12,300
one of the tops one of
1295
00:44:12,300 --> 00:44:13,966
one of the top few golf courses
1296
00:44:13,966 --> 00:44:15,000
how about uh
1297
00:44:15,433 --> 00:44:17,066
the best par fours
1298
00:44:18,033 --> 00:44:19,133
same again I mean
1299
00:44:19,133 --> 00:44:21,033
there's a reason those courses are
1300
00:44:21,033 --> 00:44:22,466
are so high up I mean
1301
00:44:22,466 --> 00:44:22,966
another like
1302
00:44:22,966 --> 00:44:26,433
so for example Hirono has incredible par threes that
1303
00:44:26,433 --> 00:44:30,800
you know it's got like for what I'd call absolutely
1304
00:44:31,433 --> 00:44:33,500
you know mind blowing par threes that
1305
00:44:33,500 --> 00:44:34,633
that that's a good example
1306
00:44:34,633 --> 00:44:35,733
South Cape um
1307
00:44:35,966 --> 00:44:38,033
has you know it
1308
00:44:38,033 --> 00:44:41,566
it has three out of four that are mind blowingly good
1309
00:44:41,566 --> 00:44:43,666
you know like a spectacular
1310
00:44:43,666 --> 00:44:45,833
heroic shots over water
1311
00:44:45,833 --> 00:44:47,366
with cliff tops and stuff like that
1312
00:44:47,366 --> 00:44:51,566
so I'm anytime you get into that type of stuff you
1313
00:44:51,566 --> 00:44:54,866
you know it's not that difficult to um
1314
00:44:55,100 --> 00:44:56,633
to say those are the
1315
00:44:56,633 --> 00:44:58,866
those are courses with just incredible
1316
00:44:59,066 --> 00:45:00,533
sets of par threes
1317
00:45:01,066 --> 00:45:03,100
lastly par fives yeah
1318
00:45:03,100 --> 00:45:04,066
you said par fours
1319
00:45:04,066 --> 00:45:05,766
and I didn't really answer that question
1320
00:45:05,766 --> 00:45:08,100
but I I think it's
1321
00:45:08,100 --> 00:45:09,833
I think it's really hard I mean I
1322
00:45:09,833 --> 00:45:11,266
I could answer Pine Valley to every
1323
00:45:11,266 --> 00:45:13,266
everything because that's why it's the yeah
1324
00:45:13,266 --> 00:45:13,566
you know
1325
00:45:13,566 --> 00:45:15,433
that's why it's the No. 1 course one of the number
1326
00:45:15,433 --> 00:45:15,966
you know No. 1
1327
00:45:15,966 --> 00:45:17,466
No. 2 course in the world all the time
1328
00:45:17,466 --> 00:45:20,633
so par fives is a tough one um
1329
00:45:21,100 --> 00:45:25,333
so I can easily answer part pine value to that as well
1330
00:45:25,333 --> 00:45:27,400
to part fives um
1331
00:45:28,966 --> 00:45:32,200
it's the par fives is probably one of the hardest
1332
00:45:32,500 --> 00:45:33,466
the hardest
1333
00:45:34,566 --> 00:45:35,466
you know
1334
00:45:36,100 --> 00:45:40,100
the hardest holes to design really well and to put
1335
00:45:40,100 --> 00:45:43,133
you know multiple great par fives on a golf course
1336
00:45:44,100 --> 00:45:46,566
you don't see that very often because it's often
1337
00:45:46,866 --> 00:45:48,533
you know it requires a lot of space
1338
00:45:48,533 --> 00:45:50,833
and so it's often like how do we
1339
00:45:51,266 --> 00:45:53,566
you know link together the
1340
00:45:53,566 --> 00:45:55,100
the interesting ground with the other
1341
00:45:55,100 --> 00:45:56,033
interesting ground hey
1342
00:45:56,033 --> 00:45:57,100
par 5 you know
1343
00:45:57,100 --> 00:45:59,100
or two par fives even or whatever it is right
1344
00:45:59,100 --> 00:46:00,066
let's put in the
1345
00:46:01,033 --> 00:46:01,833
um
1346
00:46:01,900 --> 00:46:03,733
you know let's put a link in there and
1347
00:46:03,733 --> 00:46:07,233
and often the par 5 is the duper they
1348
00:46:07,466 --> 00:46:09,233
you know that that would be used for it
1349
00:46:09,233 --> 00:46:12,000
so when you find a great par 5
1350
00:46:12,100 --> 00:46:12,866
you know or
1351
00:46:12,866 --> 00:46:15,333
or a host of great par fives on a golf course
1352
00:46:15,733 --> 00:46:17,100
usually it's gonna mean
1353
00:46:17,100 --> 00:46:19,566
that the entire property is pretty interesting land
1354
00:46:20,266 --> 00:46:21,333
because
1355
00:46:21,933 --> 00:46:22,966
they didn't use the
1356
00:46:22,966 --> 00:46:24,666
most boring parts of the golf course
1357
00:46:24,666 --> 00:46:27,133
for par fives one that's very close to my home
1358
00:46:27,133 --> 00:46:28,333
and it is a bit of a cop out
1359
00:46:28,333 --> 00:46:30,033
because only has three of them is
1360
00:46:30,033 --> 00:46:31,500
I think Mirfield's par fives
1361
00:46:31,500 --> 00:46:34,333
three par fives are absolutely exceptional yeah
1362
00:46:34,333 --> 00:46:36,500
I mean certainly um
1363
00:46:36,500 --> 00:46:37,600
is it uh
1364
00:46:37,866 --> 00:46:38,833
is uh
1365
00:46:38,833 --> 00:46:39,966
sorry is it 17
1366
00:46:39,966 --> 00:46:41,700
five nine and 17 yeah
1367
00:46:41,700 --> 00:46:45,666
17 is a phenomenal part five like really strong
1368
00:46:46,333 --> 00:46:48,733
the yeah it's
1369
00:46:48,733 --> 00:46:50,866
it's a fun debate but uh
1370
00:46:50,933 --> 00:46:51,533
we'll uh
1371
00:46:51,533 --> 00:46:52,366
move on
1372
00:46:53,100 --> 00:46:56,333
uh where is the best fairways
1373
00:46:56,433 --> 00:46:57,566
most interesting fairways
1374
00:46:57,566 --> 00:47:00,533
you've seen the most interesting fairways
1375
00:47:00,533 --> 00:47:05,466
the best fairways in terms of turf are at places like
1376
00:47:05,466 --> 00:47:07,066
well you know
1377
00:47:08,700 --> 00:47:10,633
tier and territory of the best turf
1378
00:47:10,733 --> 00:47:11,833
like some of the best turf
1379
00:47:11,833 --> 00:47:14,166
pure fescue with no like weeds in it basically
1380
00:47:14,166 --> 00:47:16,266
it's incredible so and
1381
00:47:16,266 --> 00:47:18,466
and other than other than that
1382
00:47:18,466 --> 00:47:20,766
you know like in I don't
1383
00:47:20,766 --> 00:47:24,266
I don't like the surface as much as I do fescue
1384
00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:26,233
but some of the couch grass in
1385
00:47:26,233 --> 00:47:27,466
in the you know
1386
00:47:27,466 --> 00:47:31,200
in Australia which you recently experienced um
1387
00:47:31,900 --> 00:47:32,466
you know
1388
00:47:32,466 --> 00:47:35,533
some of that turf is amazing to to play off of very
1389
00:47:35,533 --> 00:47:36,166
very firm
1390
00:47:36,166 --> 00:47:39,533
I like the way a fescue plays a little bit more still
1391
00:47:39,533 --> 00:47:43,333
but that turf in general is incredible to play on um
1392
00:47:43,533 --> 00:47:46,066
if that's how you meant the question to be
1393
00:47:46,166 --> 00:47:47,533
it was more um
1394
00:47:47,900 --> 00:47:48,933
interesting in terms
1395
00:47:48,933 --> 00:47:51,966
of the way they're shaped and the way they sit
1396
00:47:51,966 --> 00:47:54,200
and the way they sit within the land
1397
00:47:54,633 --> 00:47:56,633
got it so to me
1398
00:47:56,733 --> 00:47:58,066
what makes interesting
1399
00:47:58,066 --> 00:48:01,133
fairways is when there's not too many flat lies
1400
00:48:01,133 --> 00:48:04,633
so I I like to
1401
00:48:05,066 --> 00:48:07,066
you know I like a situation where
1402
00:48:07,133 --> 00:48:09,833
there's always more to think about than just um
1403
00:48:10,166 --> 00:48:12,133
you know like you're at the driving range
1404
00:48:12,566 --> 00:48:14,466
a flat type of lie that's perfect
1405
00:48:14,466 --> 00:48:16,533
I like a sidehill lie or a downhill lie
1406
00:48:16,533 --> 00:48:18,133
or uphill or whatever so
1407
00:48:18,233 --> 00:48:21,533
you know courses that have a lot of movement um
1408
00:48:21,533 --> 00:48:23,700
and contours within the fairways
1409
00:48:23,700 --> 00:48:27,033
I tend to you know
1410
00:48:27,033 --> 00:48:28,966
10 I tend to like a lot basically
1411
00:48:28,966 --> 00:48:30,300
so you know
1412
00:48:30,300 --> 00:48:31,833
there's tons of examples of links
1413
00:48:31,833 --> 00:48:33,233
that's why links golf is so interesting
1414
00:48:33,233 --> 00:48:34,466
because a lot of times you don't
1415
00:48:34,466 --> 00:48:36,433
there's not so many flat lies
1416
00:48:36,433 --> 00:48:38,166
you know you could look at a place like deal
1417
00:48:38,166 --> 00:48:39,266
for example and
1418
00:48:40,266 --> 00:48:41,500
uh rolling porch sorry
1419
00:48:41,500 --> 00:48:43,033
uh and then
1420
00:48:43,166 --> 00:48:43,533
you know
1421
00:48:43,533 --> 00:48:46,033
there's a lot of holes where you have crazy fairways
1422
00:48:46,033 --> 00:48:47,566
with humps and bumps and
1423
00:48:47,633 --> 00:48:48,633
you know you
1424
00:48:49,300 --> 00:48:50,666
that's really interesting that
1425
00:48:50,666 --> 00:48:51,900
that makes for interesting golf
1426
00:48:51,900 --> 00:48:54,600
and it's interesting to play off that press Wick has a
1427
00:48:54,733 --> 00:48:56,300
yeah at least press Wick has some holes that
1428
00:48:56,300 --> 00:48:59,766
that have those a humps and bumps and all those things
1429
00:48:59,766 --> 00:49:01,333
we were we're just in New Zealand
1430
00:49:01,333 --> 00:49:02,700
Paraparumu I
1431
00:49:02,700 --> 00:49:03,733
I I
1432
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:05,366
I just watched this thing on how to say that
1433
00:49:05,366 --> 00:49:06,566
and I still can't say it and I
1434
00:49:06,566 --> 00:49:08,666
watched it being said correctly 10 times
1435
00:49:08,666 --> 00:49:09,833
and I still can't pronounce it
1436
00:49:09,833 --> 00:49:12,900
but as some people say pram
1437
00:49:12,900 --> 00:49:15,133
I think it is as as short
1438
00:49:15,233 --> 00:49:16,100
so the
1439
00:49:16,100 --> 00:49:22,733
the fairways at that course in New Zealand are rolly
1440
00:49:22,733 --> 00:49:25,366
humpy bumpy fairways and I love that
1441
00:49:25,366 --> 00:49:28,400
and that's that I think that's super interesting
1442
00:49:28,766 --> 00:49:30,633
that's one of the cool things about Bora actually
1443
00:49:30,633 --> 00:49:32,666
is Bora's got a lot of fairways that just
1444
00:49:32,666 --> 00:49:35,200
there's no flat lies you never get a flat lie there
1445
00:49:35,300 --> 00:49:37,400
and it it's um
1446
00:49:37,866 --> 00:49:39,733
it's something that you don't see a lot in Parkland
1447
00:49:39,733 --> 00:49:40,700
golf that
1448
00:49:40,700 --> 00:49:42,100
that would be a tough question
1449
00:49:42,100 --> 00:49:45,033
which Parkland courses have the most interesting
1450
00:49:45,466 --> 00:49:46,866
micro contours and fairies
1451
00:49:46,866 --> 00:49:47,933
would that be the best way of saying it
1452
00:49:47,933 --> 00:49:50,866
oh boy off the top of my head
1453
00:49:50,900 --> 00:49:53,533
it's hard to think of Parkland
1454
00:49:53,533 --> 00:49:53,733
like
1455
00:49:53,733 --> 00:49:57,600
true Parkland courses that have a lot of interest in um
1456
00:49:58,766 --> 00:50:00,666
micro contours in the fairways
1457
00:50:01,466 --> 00:50:03,033
I know that they're out there
1458
00:50:03,033 --> 00:50:05,166
Bota Garten up in Scotland would be one
1459
00:50:05,166 --> 00:50:07,033
that's a really good example of it
1460
00:50:07,033 --> 00:50:09,633
so so I've seen pictures of places like um
1461
00:50:09,933 --> 00:50:12,000
White Bear Yacht Club for example
1462
00:50:12,066 --> 00:50:14,166
um really interesting looking fairways
1463
00:50:14,166 --> 00:50:16,766
um then there's Lasonia Links
1464
00:50:16,866 --> 00:50:18,633
very interesting looking fairways
1465
00:50:18,633 --> 00:50:20,033
I've never played either one of those
1466
00:50:20,033 --> 00:50:22,433
they're on my list of courses I'd love to play
1467
00:50:22,566 --> 00:50:23,700
um and
1468
00:50:23,700 --> 00:50:26,133
and part of that's the reason why
1469
00:50:26,166 --> 00:50:28,733
you've got places that are pretty classic
1470
00:50:28,733 --> 00:50:30,266
so I don't know if you could call them
1471
00:50:30,433 --> 00:50:31,766
I don't know if I'd call them Parkland
1472
00:50:31,766 --> 00:50:33,866
but like myopia hunt clubs like that
1473
00:50:33,866 --> 00:50:37,166
it's amazing and the fairways are wild
1474
00:50:37,166 --> 00:50:40,066
you know there's like a rolling wonderful
1475
00:50:40,066 --> 00:50:41,833
you know wonderful course
1476
00:50:41,833 --> 00:50:44,266
wonderful contours on the
1477
00:50:44,266 --> 00:50:46,866
on the ground Eastwood hoe is like that
1478
00:50:46,866 --> 00:50:48,733
you know I'm sorry now to pick on the
1479
00:50:48,733 --> 00:50:50,633
the Boston area um
1480
00:50:50,966 --> 00:50:52,266
if you go up in the Long Island
1481
00:50:52,266 --> 00:50:52,833
a lot of
1482
00:50:52,833 --> 00:50:55,266
a lot of those courses have those kind of contours that
1483
00:50:55,266 --> 00:50:56,633
that are you know
1484
00:50:56,633 --> 00:50:58,166
that are really really interesting
1485
00:50:58,266 --> 00:50:59,066
um
1486
00:50:59,833 --> 00:51:01,800
yeah I I mean
1487
00:51:03,466 --> 00:51:04,566
the the ones that I
1488
00:51:04,566 --> 00:51:06,633
I think the ones I'm mentioning are
1489
00:51:06,633 --> 00:51:08,066
are are really good um
1490
00:51:08,266 --> 00:51:09,533
Marion's got for example
1491
00:51:09,533 --> 00:51:10,433
got some great holes
1492
00:51:10,433 --> 00:51:13,033
there's some really great land in that area of uh
1493
00:51:13,300 --> 00:51:14,033
you know con
1494
00:51:14,033 --> 00:51:15,033
contouring fairways
1495
00:51:15,033 --> 00:51:17,133
Pine Valley is full of contours in the fairways
1496
00:51:17,133 --> 00:51:17,966
you know I
1497
00:51:18,100 --> 00:51:20,733
there's not that many flat lies out there as well
1498
00:51:20,733 --> 00:51:21,533
um
1499
00:51:21,866 --> 00:51:25,066
so I think that that's part of great golf
1500
00:51:25,333 --> 00:51:25,966
you know the
1501
00:51:25,966 --> 00:51:27,733
the harder question would be
1502
00:51:27,866 --> 00:51:29,333
tell me how many
1503
00:51:29,666 --> 00:51:32,000
great golf courses there are that have
1504
00:51:32,066 --> 00:51:33,566
perfectly flat fairways
1505
00:51:34,366 --> 00:51:36,433
and we we could argue on this right
1506
00:51:36,433 --> 00:51:40,433
because you could say things like Berkdale
1507
00:51:41,066 --> 00:51:42,066
yeah um
1508
00:51:42,500 --> 00:51:43,833
Hillside back nine
1509
00:51:43,866 --> 00:51:45,666
people love Berkdale as a golf course
1510
00:51:45,666 --> 00:51:48,366
but I I'm I'm
1511
00:51:48,366 --> 00:51:50,666
I'm not as much a fan it's a great golf course
1512
00:51:50,666 --> 00:51:52,533
right in a championship test and all those things
1513
00:51:52,533 --> 00:51:54,500
I'm not as much a fan as other people are of it
1514
00:51:54,500 --> 00:51:56,300
just because you know it's
1515
00:51:56,300 --> 00:51:58,066
an example of a links course where they
1516
00:51:58,066 --> 00:52:00,766
in my mind they plowed the fairways flat and
1517
00:52:00,766 --> 00:52:01,366
and you know
1518
00:52:01,366 --> 00:52:02,700
that's great for championship golf
1519
00:52:02,700 --> 00:52:05,700
because pros like to be able to hit the shot
1520
00:52:05,700 --> 00:52:07,833
and get rewarded for it and have a good lie
1521
00:52:08,566 --> 00:52:09,366
um
1522
00:52:09,766 --> 00:52:10,166
you know
1523
00:52:10,166 --> 00:52:13,033
if you're in a tournament and you're playing great golf
1524
00:52:13,066 --> 00:52:14,366
striping it up the middle
1525
00:52:15,233 --> 00:52:17,066
and you want to be rewarded for that
1526
00:52:17,066 --> 00:52:19,700
and links golf doesn't reward you necessarily for
1527
00:52:19,700 --> 00:52:21,266
for those things um
1528
00:52:21,266 --> 00:52:23,700
but yeah Berkley as a links course does
1529
00:52:23,700 --> 00:52:25,366
so it's kind of like a modern
1530
00:52:25,766 --> 00:52:27,366
you know uh
1531
00:52:27,566 --> 00:52:30,566
modern links that's been plowed flat in a lot of areas
1532
00:52:30,566 --> 00:52:31,566
and um
1533
00:52:31,666 --> 00:52:33,333
and you have good lies um
1534
00:52:33,500 --> 00:52:34,333
you know if I'm wrong
1535
00:52:34,333 --> 00:52:35,100
tell me I
1536
00:52:35,100 --> 00:52:36,266
but that's my belief oh
1537
00:52:36,266 --> 00:52:37,333
well there's a reason
1538
00:52:37,433 --> 00:52:38,700
there's a reason why good
1539
00:52:38,700 --> 00:52:40,066
good golfers like Berkdale's
1540
00:52:40,066 --> 00:52:41,833
because it does differentiate themselves
1541
00:52:41,833 --> 00:52:43,333
from the higher handicapper
1542
00:52:43,333 --> 00:52:44,300
who's less accurate
1543
00:52:44,300 --> 00:52:47,600
because it does punish people when you go offline
1544
00:52:48,366 --> 00:52:49,766
yeah it's it's
1545
00:52:49,766 --> 00:52:51,733
it's there's a reason why
1546
00:52:51,833 --> 00:52:55,533
and good golfers prefer Burkdale over Roswell Georges
1547
00:52:55,533 --> 00:52:56,233
let's say whereas
1548
00:52:56,233 --> 00:52:58,266
the higher handicap would prefer Roswell Georges
1549
00:52:58,266 --> 00:52:59,866
because the variety is there
1550
00:53:00,033 --> 00:53:01,966
yeah per perfect um
1551
00:53:01,966 --> 00:53:03,666
per perfect example you mean
1552
00:53:03,666 --> 00:53:04,966
you can hit the ball in the middle of the Fairway
1553
00:53:04,966 --> 00:53:05,833
at Royal Saint George's
1554
00:53:05,833 --> 00:53:08,033
and somehow end up in the bush on the side
1555
00:53:08,033 --> 00:53:08,933
you know yeah
1556
00:53:09,733 --> 00:53:10,500
if you're and
1557
00:53:10,500 --> 00:53:11,900
and that's what they say OK
1558
00:53:11,900 --> 00:53:12,833
links golf fits
1559
00:53:13,533 --> 00:53:15,466
you gotta hit a great shot and you know
1560
00:53:15,466 --> 00:53:17,333
you kind of you almost have to be able to
1561
00:53:17,333 --> 00:53:19,533
read the fairways of where you're landing it to
1562
00:53:19,533 --> 00:53:21,033
to have a chance to hit the Fairway
1563
00:53:21,033 --> 00:53:22,866
yeah which I think it's quite cool
1564
00:53:22,866 --> 00:53:25,000
lastly but not leastly
1565
00:53:25,666 --> 00:53:27,166
where's the best day in golf
1566
00:53:27,166 --> 00:53:29,100
what do you think it's gotta be south of the Sienna
1567
00:53:29,100 --> 00:53:29,900
right
1568
00:53:32,833 --> 00:53:34,833
yeah Santa Claus is pretty special
1569
00:53:35,166 --> 00:53:35,966
I mean
1570
00:53:36,166 --> 00:53:36,633
if we're gonna
1571
00:53:36,633 --> 00:53:38,500
pick something that nobody's ever gonna see
1572
00:53:38,500 --> 00:53:40,066
and they can't debate
1573
00:53:40,733 --> 00:53:42,100
they can't prove us wrong
1574
00:53:42,100 --> 00:53:43,466
then I guess that's gotta be
1575
00:53:43,466 --> 00:53:44,333
that's gonna be Santa Claus
1576
00:53:44,333 --> 00:53:45,666
the answer hahaha
1577
00:53:46,100 --> 00:53:47,333
that's just hit the hour Mark
1578
00:53:47,333 --> 00:53:49,600
and I just like to say David
1579
00:53:49,900 --> 00:53:53,100
uh thank you very much for coming on and uh
1580
00:53:53,100 --> 00:53:56,766
joining us to talk about how um
1581
00:53:56,833 --> 00:53:59,266
what you did them in really with the shoes
1582
00:53:59,266 --> 00:54:01,900
and then I thank freckle for joining uh
1583
00:54:01,900 --> 00:54:02,700
the tribe
1584
00:54:02,966 --> 00:54:05,333
I'm sure you'll be hearing a few more of the Echo
1585
00:54:05,333 --> 00:54:07,466
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1586
00:54:07,666 --> 00:54:10,933
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1587
00:54:11,500 --> 00:54:14,100
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1588
00:54:14,100 --> 00:54:16,766
little surprises about playing the Top 100
1589
00:54:17,533 --> 00:54:18,966
and so yeah
1590
00:54:18,966 --> 00:54:20,366
thanks very much David
1591
00:54:21,066 --> 00:54:22,833
yeah thank you for um
1592
00:54:23,033 --> 00:54:24,733
putting up with me again oh
1593
00:54:24,733 --> 00:54:26,033
it's great to have you on
1594
00:54:26,100 --> 00:54:26,866
and uh
1595
00:54:26,866 --> 00:54:28,433
thank you very much to everyone who's listened
1596
00:54:28,533 --> 00:54:30,233
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