Episode 111: Europe's Most UNIQUE Golf Courses - From Crownwood to Addington

In this episode of the Top 100 Clubhouse Podcast, host James Henderson is joined once again by Jasper Miners, Editor of Top 100 Golf Courses, for a catch up on some of their recent trips, stories from excursions with Lockhart, and some of the most fascinating courses they've encountered across the UK and Europe.

The conversation begins with Crownwood Golf Club and the work of friend of the show, Christian Lundin, exploring what makes his work at Crownwood so visionary. James and Jasper discuss how a golf course architect's own playing ability can influence their design philosophy, before diving into Crownwood's exceptional conditioning and attention to detail.

The pair then turn their attention to some of England's most revered layouts, including Rye and Littlestone, discussing their rich histories, strategic challenges, and enduring appeal. Later, they explore the unique character of Addington before highlighting the innovation found at Northcliffe, Royal Copenhagen, and Falsterbo. 

Play fast, lunch slow. 

Chapters

00:00 – Intro
01:31 – Highlights of Crownwood Golf Course & Christian Lundin
08:30 – How a Golf Course Architect's Game Influences Design
12:22 – Crownwood's Conditioning Is Next Level
15:57 – Is Rye One of the Toughest Golf Courses in the UK?
23:32 – Highlights and History of Littlestone Golf Club
28:16 – The Uniqueness of Addington
37:35 – North Foreland Short Course
39:19 – Courses Played with Lockhart Travel
48:25 – Big Walks in Links Golf
51:37 – Switching Off at Royal Copenhagen
57:30 – Falsterbo & Closing Thoughts


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Transcript

this looks wild I'm pretty well experienced in golf
and I know what I'm looking at almost all the time
I had no bloody clue what was going on there
I went up to have a look at the Fairway
before playing the hole okay
so you aim at a tree hahaha
common land Deer Park golf
really high end modern private golf
raw rudimentary golf over some really stunning land
none of it better or worse than any of it just
just different in this little island we call home
it's like all of that in abundance right here
it's almost like you're leaving the world behind
a lot of the the big clubs
whether you're driving or walking
it's almost like there's this transition period that
allows you to forget about what you've left
and embrace what you're coming to
hello and welcome to another episode of the Top 100
Clubhouse podcast
I'm your host James Henderson
I'm with Jasper Minors is back again
the editor of the website
and also our kind of guru in golf course architecture
we are going to be discussing this week just about
we've been to a lot of cool places
haven't we Jasper yeah
we've done well the last few months
especially you um
but I I've not done too bad myself
but yeah we'll cover some of the uh
the new courses some of the replays we've had uh
been to Scandinavia uh
been to Spain first uh first attempt out there
so and then obviously
a bit of play here in UK and Ireland
so yeah lots to discuss
let's start off with Scandinavia
because this is the one
that I've been most looking forward to seeing
and hearing about annoyingly
I won't have played it by the time
I've not played it yet
I'm playing it in July or something
I've forgotten which date
um but there is a golf course created by a young
up and coming architect in Christian London
who's done a Trump new which I played four days ago
and
he has a slightly different style
in his architecture
to the rest of the gang on the block
so people are quite excited to see what he's up to
and I know that you've just come back from Crownwood
so tell us a bit about the experience
the golf course everything
yeah so Crownwood is um north of well
it's it's actually easier to get to
I think if you go to Copenhagen
uh so we flew into Copenhagen
deployed Royal Copenhagen
then the next day drove north to Crownwood
which is just over the border from Denmark
so short ferry
once you get to the other side you're pretty much there
uh quite easy to get to
I think it was a couple hour and a half or so
uh plus the ferry ride
and once you get there
you feel like you are at some sort of Scandinavian
mixture of Tarry
ete in South Carolina um
so the property itself is
it's right on the coast
it's only a couple hundred meters from the coast
you can't see the sea
but you can hear it and similar to Tar E t or t r I
it was a like a Christmas tree farm
some sort of pine yep
pine tree softwood farm and they were able to
to get the land and as I think
they were the second ones that went in
to try and build a golf course
but it's been a long term project
almost 15 years Henrik Stenson is involved there
there is another individual as an investor
and then Christian Lundon with the
the architectural Lead so when you come in
the first thing that's very obvious is the open
sand scrapes um
and we're not talking sand scrapes as in
you know a couple of
you know oddly placed sand scrapes on
a links golf course that don't seem to fit
like we often times see here in the UK uh
I mean this is expansive sand
uh that plays a
a critical role in the golf course
especially strategically
uh and then
just a lot of short grass and expansive fairways
so it it's similar I think to some of the
the Pinehurst
South Carolina aesthetics that you might see
it's a it's a beautiful golf course
and it's something you don't see very often
and especially
something that you don't see in this part of the world
so I think the biggest thing about it is that it's a
it's very much a welcoming open private club
so they've got an 11 hole short course
great practice facilities
uh kind of large
uh ladies putting green type scenario at uh
at the clubhouse and that's publicly accessible
so you can basically come in for the day
um play your 11 holes
they're quite interesting what's happened to
you use it for practice
and then you have access to the
the clubhouse and all the facilities as well
and the clubhouse is spectacular
it's probably one of the best stocked pro shops
I've seen in in Europe and including UK and Ireland
lots of cool
American brands that we don't usually see here
and in addition to that food and drink is
is spectacular um
you say we've traveled quite a lot the last few weeks
and I would say that that food and drink is as good
or better than almost anything I've had
whether it was at a clubhouse or in a proper restaurant
in some of the major cities of the world
so yeah it's like top tier stuff
I've been spending a bit of time recently with
I won't be naming them but um
or name their golf course
but they've got a new golf course that uh
is an international destination place
and they said that if you're doing that
you really
have to hit the nail on the head with the food
and drink
so we've been to Hoopi and Hoopi it does that it's a
if you're gonna be an international golf club
you have to be able to provide the best food and drink
you can cause that's all about
that's included in the experience
yeah I mean a whoopee was next level
um tell you what we
we did some damage on the Wagyu steaks there
but uh
and it just kept on coming
so that was nice what a
an amazing experience
but I think that the experiential golf
so I think I think sometimes with a lot of golf courses
it's almost like when you go to Spain or Portugal
um it's kind of like this all inclusive package
and it's almost like that's the highlight
and then you get to play a bit of golf
where some of these new offerings like crownwood uh
and your hoopies and similar products
where it's kind of a it's a you
you pay the price but you can really enjoy it
and you don't feel like you're being um
you know taken on food or drink
it's it's all high quality offerings
but that's across the board
the golf the clubhouse
the experience everything is top drawer
so Crown Hood was an interesting one uh
a joy to play uh
there's from what I remember
um just being there
spending the day playing it
the first six and last six holes are standouts
really clever opening holes
and really really good finishing set of six holes
and then in the middle the course
it takes a little bit of a detour
not in a bad way but it's just a different
it's a change of pace
and it's also a slightly different aesthetic
there's still the open sand scrapes
but you play near the tree line
and there's kind of predominant features
um there's a kind of like a burn or a drainage ditch
yeah that works its way through the property
that's used quite strategically
so that's quite a nice feature
and then you work your way around a
what I can only think is a
a reservoir or what appears to be a man made lake
so you you kind of have these
the middle bit of the round
and then bookended with these open sand
scrape type holes uh
so yeah interesting
almost like three courses to the golf course
if you think about it as a
a meal it's like a three course meal
um it's a cohesive 18 but there is definitely like uh
three distinct steps through the round
if you will and it's a
but that I do find that
there's something about that that's quite endearing
so I always go back to Golspie when I talk about this
because it does that very well
and people sleep on Golspie
but it has Linksland open space Linksland
it's got the kind of classic
what you'd call doornik elevation
um style linksland
and then you've got the heathland in the far end
and it
when you go along come back
you know you've got to the end
when you get to the go
get to the heathland
you get to the far end of the property
and then you come back through the gorse
and then you come back into the open
and it's kind of like a I
we use it a gallon No. 1 a lot
or any of the gallon courses
it's like a story right
you just get a bookend of your round is you go
you leave the town then you come back to it
well I mean
there's lots of golf courses that do it
and do it very well I mean
maybe Formby is another good example
that people might know um yeah
you know that
that definitely goes through some flatter architecture
to start and finish
and you kind of go into heathland holes
and then you definitely get a
a links vibe scattered throughout
so it
it's not a negative it's an observation
I guess um
and it's a fun course to play
what I would say is one thing that I've seen
both that Trump knew uh
which he was responsible for
and Crownwood was that the
the green sites can be exacting
so I think with a lot of golden age golf
um and some of the
the newer
minimalist stuff that you would see from kind of
the big names maybe
the Renaissance crew I'm thinking of specifically is
once you're on the green or you're on the right tier
um you have a chance to get down in one
and if you hit like a reasonable putt
you'll probably be there in two um
with a lot of Christians greens
like just cause you're on the green
doesn't mean that you like the holes
by no means over
and even if you're on the right tier of the green
it can still be very interesting
and if you don't hit 2 good pots or one great pot
and you still got a lot of work to do to mop up so
but uh
that might be a reflection of Henrik's prowess
and Christian's a very good golfer himself
so that might be that coming through
but what I would say is that it
it definitely was an examination of your short game
and your putting um
but yeah just an observation on
on maybe but arguably
there's places like Sunningdale
that is an examination on your driving
or your approach play you know
so at Christian Stuff
the examination is out around in and around the greens
so you have a lot more width and expanse
and you can hit bad shots
and still be able to get up and down
you know if you hit
it's the exacting shots are asked around the greens
I yeah
I would I would agree with that um
this is and this is
the cool thing about golf course architecture because
you know I've only seen
I think two of Christian's courses
so the new course at Trump in Aberdeen
and then now Crownwood and it
it might well be that the next course I see uh
of his maybe it'll be completely different um
because you do see that some
some architects do have elasticity
they adapt and change to the site
or what's required of them
depending on client or or demands of the project
but it's an interesting thing to see
his style
come through in those two courses that I've played
um so again
not in any way a knock
more of an observation and a cool one to see it's
it left me wanting to see more of Christian's work is
so is what I would say my big
my big takeaway is
the fact that if you're having a match against someone
or if you're betting against
uh on a match
make sure you bet against the better putter
bet for the better putter
yeah I think that would be a top tip
yeah it's a
if you have your short game dialed in there
um you'll probably score very well
I don't think you have to be
it's not an exacting
I mean I played OK
I guess until I ran out of juice on the back nine
um but we had a good run on the front nine
but still um
it's it's not an easy golf course to play
uh it is quite exacting
uh we were paired with the director of golf
who's a former tour player and uh
now plays off scratch but scratch for a tour player
and scratch for a scratch golfer
two very different things
yep uh
and it was a pleasure to witness that uh
he made it look easy
um and the rest of us were yeah
just uh
I think we lost the match by the
maybe the 11th or 12th hole
but anyways it was yeah
it was bad we took a beating
oh no Jasper
yeah but we didn't realize we were playing against
like a 14 year tour veteran
yeah um
and I think Cody and him were playing straight up
uh so okay
yeah we brought
we brought knives to a gunfight basically hahaha
yeah God
that doesn't sound uh
friendly but
and it was uh
it was better ball uh
what is it called worst ball
better ball so it was like on both levels
I think we're giving nine shots to uh
to to Thomas as well
or seven shots at least yeah
so we didn't have a hope really
we were done by the second hole
so put to the sword yeah
one thing you did mention that is interesting is
you said that Crown Bridge is the best conditioned
course you played this year
yeah I mean
we've seen some good stuff
um and when I say conditioned
I'm not saying there's other courses that
perhaps because they're not new and they've bedded in
they maybe have like monoculture
so I'm just thinking about some courses I've seen where
like
there is not a blade of POA on the entire golf course
it's fescue or bent all the way around
um Tarry tee is the one I'm thinking of
but that being said
I would say that Crown Woods greens
were probably the purest I've
I've seen her play this whole year
um they were absolutely immaculate
and it wasn't just about fast pudding
cause that's not really a thing uh
for me at all
I'd rather have true greens than fast greens
but there's a lot going on in those greens
uh they were appropriate
so the the speed matched the undulations
but the firmness
the firmness of those greens and aprons
and maybe that's a point to make is
I think the biggest thing is you
you can try and get your greens firm
but if you're playing running shots onto a green
there's nothing worse than soft aprons
because you kind of hit into an apron
and then it stops don't get me started
I've played a few of those this last few weeks
yeah and it's like if you're
if you're asked to play the running game
you should be able to land your ball 20 30
40 50 yards in front of the green
use the contours to access pins
and that should be firm and running
so what I would say is that
Crownwood was absolutely brilliant at doing that uh
Stevie Richardson is there
he used to be at Queenwood just outside London
spent some time at Sunningdale
I believe and a few other places in the south
and tell you what uh
he's a mean operator
he knows how to grow in a golf course and
and present a golf course um
they're in very capable hands there
and he's got that thing dialed in
so yeah
it was a real treat to play such a firm golf course
which is something you don't see too often uh
even in the UK unfortunately
we barely see it full stop
there's at that firmness that you've described
there's really like Royal Melbourne
that's like comes to mind
you know it's that kind of firm right yeah
like literally you could throw a ball on the green
and it would bounce up to you
and not leave a ball Mark
I mean that's and they had rain the previous day um
and even the morning even the morning we were there
they had a bit of rain and it was just gone
so I think I see other thing that came to mind too
so they use moisture meters
this is the one thing I didn't
I don't see a lot in the UK um
everything around the green
surrounds was done by hand watering
where I think in the UK a lot of times they just have
uh like sprinkler systems around greens
flip them on turn them off
where a lot of the big courses
especially in Australia New Zealand
uh and America
you know the
the
individual is responsible for caring for those greens
they punch they get their readings
and they know exactly
which sections of the green needs
the right amount of water
and so
you know in the morning
it's not just flip on the sprinklers and
and let it go
they're literally actively out there measuring
and then given the appropriate amount
um so it's
it's a sniper rifle approach
rather than a shotgun approach
um and I think over time
that's probably why a lot of the well
over feeding and over watering
those are the two things that are going to destroy
firmness and unfortunately
we see a lot of that in the UK
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speaking about a golf course that isn't that
that is firm and is incredibly fun
but on the complete opposite side of the
exacting scale in terms of
exactly on the drive exactly on the second shot
we were down at Rye Rye is a special place
it's cool right it's very cool
I actually got my rye hat
I know people can't see it
but if you're on YouTube you saw me wear that terribly
yeah it's a it's a not a cool club cool logo um
interesting lunch as well
it's kind of like a help yourself surgery
which is is good um
I still remember this great wine list great wine list
so
and the amount of beef that you had on your plate was
uh disgusting
I know hahaha
absolutely disgusting
but we were there for a good time
but the the golf course itself um
so I've been there quite I say quite a few times
a few times not as much as I would like
but every time I go
it just reveals itself a little bit more
um so famously Douglas Rollin
Harry Colt laid it out uh in the late 1800s
one of Colts first courses
but it's changed a lot since then
um I actually have the scans from the
the maps in the clubhouse
so I shall be using a little bit of time
to try and establish how much cult is left
and who's responsible for what
it is a special place and it's very
very unique yeah
very unique that how often do you play a golf course
that has about six bunkers
on it
you know it
so there's very few bunkers and they're not well kept
they're just pits
it doesn't matter if you go in them
you're an idiot ha ha ha
and I think that's the thing it's
it's it's
it's not a
it's not a flattering golf course for your game
like when you go there you've got to play golf um
you've got to hit shots
and if it's even a little bit windy
um those opening holes
down the first side of that Dune line
and then 4 and 5 four and 5 are
they're they're genuinely
they make they're embarrass people
like 4 just by itself can embarrass any
you have to be on your game
if you're not playing good golf
good luck
and even if you're on the Fairway behind that Dune
it's a really difficult shot
so yeah it's
it's I
I remember 10 and 11 as holes that I didn't uh
particularly I wasn't necessarily fond of um
but this time actually I
I had a new appreciation for them
they were better than I remembered um
but it's just again you're
you're up against that if anything
Jasper
ten and 11 are actually quite nice
because they give you a wee bit of a relief
you know they're like 9 and 10 on the Old Course
you know that's exactly what I was gonna say yeah
exactly right and what's interesting is like
that's what Simpson said
is it sometimes like before you run
so you run the gauntlet on the front line
and then it's kind of like two breather holes
before you run the gauntlet on the second line um
it might be like the second like the the Jubilee course
it's an interesting one
so they they're actually gaining land at Roy
so the the golf course used to be just 18 holes
and because of whatever reason um
there's actually a lot more land
that's being added to the golf course
and they've been able to set out
I think it was nine holes first
and then another 9 after that
so they've got two 18 hole golf courses um
I think locally they've got two memberships
one for the Jubilee and then one for the
the old yup um
so it is well used by the local community
but amazingly 250 green fees a year allowed it right
yeah crazy
absolutely crazy if you wanna go and play it
good luck it's very
very difficult so you
you have to be quick you have to be early uh
but it's well worth it you
you probably have to do it years in advance
so just be really
really quick when those tee times open right
it's also the other way that you can
it's an amazing place yeah
we uh
what should we have we had a
couple of years Mexican that night
didn't we and we had weirdly had Mexican in Rye
which is a ha ha ha
it's a great little village in like seaside town that
you're just desperate for a burrito Jasper
I was for whatever reason I had the hankering
so it was that or pizza uh
and then after the big lunch uh
I felt that maybe the burrito was the better option
anyways
it's a really cool little town to wander around in
but in terms of golf course
if you wanna test your game
and see if you really are able to play
with the big boys go and play at Rye
so they have a
they have some sort of major amateur tournament
they host there yeah
president's putter the president's putter
and the lowest score over the four days is it
yeah most forever over the four days is plus 11
yeah it's a
it's a pretty crazy
and I think because it happens earlier in the year
so that's the the Oxford Cambridge Golfing Society
that's their home course um
but yeah it's
it's just an absolute slog
I forget how many rounds it is eight or more um
to to get through
but they effectively start off with yeah
hundreds in the mix and then it's just whittled away
it's
it's what we would want the PGA Championship to become
I think is is the idea
yeah yeah
the match play
though I was talking about the amateur event
they through a couple years
like they'd hold host some sort of amateur event
and it was like a stroke play event
not the knockout
and I think they said it was
plus 11 was the winning score
yeah so it looks like
just looking at the results from this year
so it's played in March
um and then you've got one 1
2 3 4 5
6 7
7 rounds that you have to survive in order to get to
to the final cool list of people that have won it
including Michael Attenborough
yeah Donald Steels won it quite a few times
Donald Steels um
just an interesting group
and it's the yeah
it's exactly the the kind of
public school
boy group that you would get from the Rye
the steels the sandwich kind of crowd
so yeah
a very institutional uh
golf club it's a
it's a great place you get a test
a taste of the best of English golf when you go to Rye
uh nothing changes
nothing changes quickly um
but even the clubhouse is a cool place to
to hang out it's a wholly unique golf course
I've never played a golf course like it
yeah and it's
I think it's one of those ones where it's a
a golf architects golf course
um every architect's choice exactly
yeah that's exactly what it is
um a lot of people wouldn't get it
wouldn't understand it
but it's I think an acquired taste if you've had
if you have a discerning palette
is probably the best way to put it um
I reckon
there's quite a few people that play it the first time
and just don't get it or necessarily enjoy it
but it's an awesome golf course to see
you could easily get bullied by that golf course
if you're not on your game
you just get punished and and it but it's not long
it's just asked for exacting shots
and then the other one that surprised us both
after that James
was little stone what cool little spot
amazing ground for golf amazing ground it
it felt a wee bit like a mixture of
if you took away the sand dunes
and you had the elevation of like a deal
and then you had the ground shape
the ground of uh Roselle
Georges in terms of the loop of the loops that it does
the routing it has and then put it on deals ground
it kind of felt a wee bit like that
seawall protects this very firm
almost gravel to the top site yeah
they've lost fairways cause they can't keep
get keep enough water on them
but they're not lost there's there's still grass there
but it's you know it's so browned out yeah
already and that was I mean springtime
so it's it's gonna be
I mean parking lot hard basically by summer
I'm sure especially with the
the summer we're having down here
but they literally cannot
put enough water on the fairways
to keep the grass going so
cause it's so free draining
but yeah an amazing little golf course um
I would say it's got bags of potential um
like that golf course could
it's got a lot of headroom to grow
it's a good golf course it's in the England Hundred uh
the interesting hole was was it 16
they've got two or three Alister Mackenzie par threes
and then you've got the CB
McDonald template for is it bottle I believe yeah
it's bottle and five and 17 are the two
Alison Mackenzie par threes
and then sixteen's the famous bottle
but it was never I think
as we know it they don't play off the same tees
we've suggested to them
that they should get those tees reinstated
so people can go play see
and play the way that Alister Mackenzie played um
Alister um CB McDonald CB
McDonald sorry I keep mixing those two people up
dyslexia strikes again and then and
but there is a bit of chat with them that there's a
they they could reinstate that second Fairway
that for some reason I always thought was never there
and I think some people thought it was never there
and Steve McDonald
I don't know whether he saw it as stated
as it was there
and he definitely stated that
he thought that should be a Fairway of
so I don't understand where
but there is a map showing that
there was a second Fairway
yes so this is the interesting thing
so I I talked to Brian about this actually with about
obviously they they did the
the reinstatement of the little club
so they very much
we're taking an active interest in these template holes
um so the
there's maps in the clubhouse
right outside the secretary's office
that do show from the late 1800s um
basically two sides of the ferry with winds in between
or some sort of Dune
uh so there is like that option
now it could have been by the time that CB
McDonald came around uh
they just
weren't caring for the left hand side of the Fairway
but from those maps prior to his visits
I think he was there around the turn of the century
19 0 2 or 19 0 four somewhere in there
anyways those maps that they have in the clubhouse
predate that visit by about 10 years
and as you know with golf courses
like a lot of things can change
especially at a time when there probably wasn't
like Fairway gang mowers
or there wasn't Fairway gang mowers
there's probably sheep taking care of that golf course
yeah um
so there could well have been
and the map seemed to indicate that there was
so yeah kind of an interesting find
but uh
we are not done with uh
with looking at that
hole and doing a bit more research so watch this space
we'll hopefully share that with you uh soon
it was very cool good golfing ground
very cool uh piece of property and they're
they don't get a huge amount of visitors
even though they're on that same tract
you can do round from deals Saint George's
so just I'd recommend people don't sleep on it
there's a lot of good golf out there
you'll enjoy it
there's a lot of really interesting greens
and green sites
uh
cool fairways just really interesting native as well
slightly different to the rest of the stuff around
that area and like you say
in an expensive site it does feel like that
um you know
the fairways they
some of them are joining or play parallel in a way
but you'd never ever feel that you're even like
butting up to another Fairway
it's such an expansive golf site
um I guess similar to Mirfield
similar to Royal Saint George's
it's kind of got that feel of you know
golf has not been shoehorned onto this property
it's been laid out over top of it
wherever it was was best so yeah
really good and then that was a SO36 at Rye
Little Stone in the morning
and then we made our way up to the Addington
which is I think the one of the time
one of the first ones you've seen it now
I've been going to the Addington for 12 years
uh and usually go every year once or twice or more uh
absolutely love that golf course and every time I go
I'm still astonished at how much work they've done
but yet how much work there is to do it
it it's incredible
um the
the transformation that's been made there
I thought the addition was
very much an experience that I wasn't expecting
when you walk outside the first hole
and you play the first second
third
you kind of don't realize what's gonna come at you
there's a lot of
I mean the scale on some of the holes is incredible
and I know from speaking to you
there was a huge amount of this stuff covered up
with trees and with whatever with
but it sounds like Ryan really knows what he's doing
and he's got a
um he know
he understands and gets it
do you know those people that just get golf
ha ha ha yeah
I think it's a
it's a good example of a owner
operator who's not beholden to a committee
they can make big bold decisions and
and that can be a double edged sword sometimes
you can make big
bold decisions and they're not the right one
the the thing with the Addington is
you know Ryan
Ryan's really got his finger on the pulse there
and he's got good help uh
with uh
I know Mike Clayton and
um de Vries
Mike de Vries they've done a lot of
the shaping and advice on a lot of it um
and yeah you can see the
the quality work there is
is very good and it it's
it's just getting better and better and better
and it's taking a big jump in the rankings
um I think it's right around the 30 Mark in England
something like that after this last visit
and it'll continue to rise
um that
I mean it's some serious golf
the only golf that I can think it's resembles
especially on that back nine
is the original Harry Colt Sunningdale new holes
when you and I uh
walked those holes the scale was just insane
like yeah
it's like
how did how did they get rid of those
I understand why they got rid of them'cause
a bunch of members probably thought
this is too much yeah
couldn't walk them um
and it was a bit basically
just difficult to get to the Halfway House
and then back in within
with those holes is is how the
the story goes the
the the interesting thing about that though
is Harry Colt helped Abercrombie in 1913
same time he was at Saint George's Hill
and Saint George's Hill in places
has some big elevation changes uh
the first hole in particular
and then as you get just into like 10
11 12
kind of the biggest ones so it was almost like he
he found a routing at the Addington with Abercrombie
at the same time
he was trying a few big holes at Saint George's Hill
and then
it wasn't until the mid 20s that he had a proper go at
Sunningdale New
and it seems like by that time
he was very comfortable with just making big
bold decisions um
and I think he went to the next level
even up from adding to new at Sunnydale new
and unfortunately they don't exist anymore
but there are rumors
there are rumors that that is being looked at
so we'll see what Gil Hahn's has uh
in store and what Sunningdale has the appetite to do
but I have heard a couple of rumours that maybe
maybe there is definitely
an appetite at the club
to do something about those holes
because they have chopped down all the trees
and brought those holes back into um
visualization if that makes sense
so
you can see where the edges of those holes used to be
yeah the corridors are all there now yeah
because they've brought
they've brought in the corridors
they've allowed them to be able to breathe
so um
there's obviously
a group of people in the club that make decisions
that are going yeah
we could do something here yeah
it'll be interesting too so I
I mean that that's
I think what they've done at the Addington is it
it's opened up a new brand of golf
now I've not yet been to Pine Valley
I know you're going later in the year I think um
but that's the other golf course and Yale
Yale's the other one that
whenever you talk to individuals
like when they talk about scale
enormity uh
severity though those are things that are kind of
buzzwords that come out from that
but the addition is unique in and of itself
I've got a couple of friends going to Yale in
next weekend
I think so I'm gonna get on the blower and be like
give me a bloody call give me a call right now
I wanna know what happened
explain every hole to me
and that that's
I think that's what makes the Addington unique for me
is that it's the scale and severity
I mean seven's amazing the
we we got to walk it sadly
we didn't play seven it was closed
um the the massive new like hundred and ten
it opened a week later that's it yeah
uh but we did get to walk it and see it
and take a look around
Ryan very graciously said we could do that so we did uh
and then the eighth hole is just like
that's the first one that kind of blows you away
you kind of look up that hill and you think to yourself
like what
what am I supposed to do here
I'm pretty obviously well experienced in golf
and I know what I'm looking at almost all the time
I had no bloody clue what was going on there
even though
I went up to have a look at the Fairway
before playing the hole
yeah do you know I went up at
at 4 at 5 4
5 5 green
I went up and had a wee peak
I was like that that this looks wild
this is crazy and then I was like
played a few holes and then got up there
I was like OK
so you aim at a tree ha ha ha
it's mental it's mental
but actually there's a lot of width up there
so you there's loads of space for you to um
play your ball into so it doesn't really matter where
where you actually aim it's more
aiming for the sake of getting a better shot in yeah
and that's the thing I think
it'll be interesting to see what Ryan decides there
uh there's obviously that tree on the top of the hill
um you kind of have to decide do
you know do you split the apparatus
go left um
if you're hitting a driver
that's usually the play
uh I think there's a back tee going in there as well
uh so that might make that drive a little bit easier
in the sense that you're hitting into the
the crown of the hill uh
from the teeing ground
I think because the tees are a little bit further
if you hit a driver up there
you can sometimes go through the Fairway uh
even if you choose the proper line
so that will be an interesting
if you land on that Fairway
and you don't get tight enough
I say tight enough like
there's loads of room between the tree
and the ridge of the Fairway
but if you go right of the ridge
you're now playing
essentially a blind shot to a island style green almost
cause the only entry points from the right
and you're playing a big shot
so you've got to have a big shot
whether it's off the tee or off the Fairway
there's always one big big boy exacting shot
whereas actually it's a really simple shot
once you get over the ridge and it runs down
you've got 100 yards 120 yards or whatever
just a wedge shot into a big green boom easy
yeah of crazy stuff really
and that's where I think the Addington
it's one of those ones where again
a lot of people would play it
and not necessarily get it
or see why it's so good at first blush
because you don't see golf that big very often
that's that good
it's very difficult to find enormous golf
thinking maybe you know
it's a little bit like um
you know the fourth hole at Royal Saint George's
with that massive bunker yeah
you know it's like well
this is really cool
you can hit over that bunker if you have that shot
or you have to go around to the left and you
don't usually play or maybe Saint Andrew's Dock um
you know with the big Himalayan bunker
it's it's just a
everything's
at a scale that it's hard to quite understand what
what you're doing
but to find it in the middle of London
with views of like
the Shard and Canary Wharf just across the
the way yeah it
it's just a unique location
a unique golf course and to find it in that setting is
is spectacular so look
we did well with uh
with Rye and Little Stone and
and Addington and that's a trip that most
most people could do uh
if they wanted to get ahead of it and book Rye early
that is a two day trip 36 at Rye
Little Stone in Addington
it's tough to beat that uh
that that lineup really cool little
and if you wanted to do something else
you'd start off
go round the coast of Kent and get Princess
deal and Rosen Georges and the other one
I mean that's just north of princes
is the North Forland short course
um so the Northcliff course
so this is a it's like 18 hole short course on
I forget how many acres
10 or 12 or 13 acres or something like that
um and it's 18 original Tom Simpson green sites
um it's
it's spectacular
and if ever I go down to that part of the country uh
whether it's to play deal or sandwich or princes
like North Foreland Short course is
is always the first stop uh
what a cool way of starting your trip
go to a really interesting short course
yeah fly into London
head along the coast the north coast of Kent
play the short course
go stay at Princess or in
in a Saint George sandwich or in deal
or whatever you want
play those three and then head round the coast again
it's a really cool little trip actually
and I think that's the one
a lot of people have gone and played
like the big three down in Kent
so Princes Deal Sandwich
but North Foreland just adds that
like extra layer of something you haven't seen before
it's a bit different
the rules I think originally was that you can
it's a 2 2 club course so it's a wedge and a putter um
but if you try and stick to that it's
it's a pretty cool golf course to try and play
and then the question is do you
you know do you bring your 50
your 54 your 58 or whatever you've got
cause
there are some holes that are probably north of 100
hundred 20 yards
and then quite a few that are shorter than that
so you gotta hit all sorts of like
half shots and running shots
and try to manufacture shots with
with a single wedge and in inevitably
you'll be in bunkers and have some difficult lies and
but it's just it's just good fun um
so that's a top tip there's a
I've just done a big trip
and with the Lockhart Travel Club
if anyone is interested
and we have a lot of fun on those trips
just really do you know it
it
what it makes it is just a really good bunch of boys
you know just have a lot of fun everyone's like minded
you can put anyone with anyone and just have fun
it's great it's it's a great experience
and so maybe we tell the the listeners
so locker is the it's basically the the
the travel side of top 100
but it's elite golf travel um
so a lot of times you know
difficult to get to places
we've got the ability to
to get past the gate if you sort of speak
and then it's kind of the best
best of everything included with that
the golf is elite but then where you stay
where you play where you eat activities if you do them
uh those are all elite as well
and then the
the networking opportunities within that uh
club are spectacular so what was the uh
the itinerary for this last trip
and so the itinerary was
we went to Renaissance stands up for the um
which is a private club in East Lothian
and so it's almost
you know just don't get you can't pay and play
you know um
but it that's a dope course
they've got the Scottish Open
so you know
it the third
they have the third best field of any tournament
last year
and and that's I think
the Scottish Open is like serious golf tournament
it's only behind the US Open and the open
because the Masters is obviously got a smaller field
and it's got a bunch of past winners
and the PGA doesn't include a lot of the DP
World Tour and the world guys
so what you have is
you have the third best field in golf
playing at Tom Doak Golf Course
which is just pretty cool on links land
and and it puts up a fair fight
I mean I think
one of the best modern golf shots I've seen was Rory's
2 or 3 iron
was it two or three years ago into the teeth of it
and he three years ago I rolled it up
I was standing in the uh the balcony with uh
Brad Faxon ha ha ha ha ha ha some serious name drops
Tom Mckibben and Brad Faxon ha ha ha ha ha
and then it hold the putt to uh to beat um
who's the the Scottish lad that he got it next year
Bob Mcintyre
Bob Mcintyre broke his heart the first year
and then he made good on it the second year
I think what was amazing about that club
people don't realize how long
how much wind there was that time
because it looked like it was a shorter
a short club from where he was
but my god
there's a plaque there now so you can go see it
but the I turn when he hold the pot
Rory hold the pot and turn to Brad and I was like
that's good advertising for you
cause he just becomes potting coach hahaha
and so the trip was renaissance
then we had the double header Mirfield and then
which is just the best day in golf um
and then we were up to king's barns uh
which is
I know people say the best modern course in in Scotland
I'm need to play a couple more times
there's some very manufactured things there
it's a very for an American
you would notice them
because every golf course in America is manufactured
but for someone it's Kyle Phillips
isn't it yeah
but someone who's grown up on um
at North Berwick where
you know it's just completely raw golf
and then it's just one of those things
it's very obvious to me
but every American who comes here says it's the most
the one they've enjoyed the most it
there's a lot of good golf out there
a lot of good golf so if we go by our rankings
we we put an article about this uh out on the website
I think it was last year so
the top four
Scottish new builds that are in the world rankings
Kings Barns Ardfin Castle
Stewart and Trump International
so those four make it into the world
I know you've played all four of those
I still have Ardfin to knock off
which here's hoping maybe later this year
it's not all links course right so
yeah Castle Stewart
King's Barns and Trump International well
I've played all three of them in the last
two of them in the last week
and all three of them last year
so Castle Stewart is much more
uh I'd say
what Gill has done there
is much more natural to the site
but then
it doesn't feel like a classic links golf course
cause it provides a huge amount of width and
which is more
akin to the modern style of golf course architecture
mm hmm and there's a few big walks there
because of just the way the site sits
it's you play
it's kind of sit the top hole sit above
it's a ridge line essentially
so you play down low
and then you come back above the ridge line
back to the clubhouse
and then the same on the way back
and I think the routing is really clever
because you play three holes
loop round play back on yourself and then back again
so you're actually
I know that we always say that playing uh
zigzag golf so it's just like down and back
down and back is really horrendous golf
but it it does that very cleverly with the site yeah
so you're now actually next to each other
you're playing on different uh
different ground completely every time
very clever and
but they're big green sides
big wide fairways
which if you go to Rye or North Berwick or wherever
it doesn't quite have that same width to it
and then you've got King's Barns
which has the width and has a couple of golf holes that
I would say are connecting holes
but the holes that aren't
the connecting holes are spectacular
and it's an amazing site and if you
when you're on top of the property
you can feel the manufacturedness of the land
whereas at Trump
old
it might be the
it's definitely the most severe site out the lot
incredible dunes it feels like you're playing in Bali
Banyan or one of these West Coast dunes sites and
and what Hotri's done there is really interesting
he's created quite a subtle golf course in those dunes
so hot um
hotri definitely comes from the school of the Murfields
the deals you know
quite respectful um
respectful of the sites
but also a player's paradise because if you get it
put it on a Fairway you get a chat
it gives you a decent lie and a good shot in
you know and whereas
so you do get that
but then if you go offline at any of these courses
you can't find trouble mm hmm
and sorry not any at Trump new
at Trump old it can be punishing
whereas the other 2 aren't
yes yeah
and so it's the playability factor is very high on the
uh on King's Barns and Castle Stewart
but then at Trump it's a real
it's a test of golf it's gonna ask a lot of you and
but you can turn into a long day at Trump
if it's really windy and you
you don't have control of your ball that day
um oh
but if you do you get really rewarded
you really do and at the rough on the new
they've grown it out so it's fairly new rough
so they haven't quite able to get
completely under control yet
whereas at
I think the rough in the old is much more manageable
you can find your ball you can play it
but don't expect a chance to put it near yeah
so the thin and wispy um
still to to
to be seen at the the new course at Trump
I think that's what we said last year
when we played it for the first time
was that you know
just to grow it in uh
sometimes and especially on windy links sites
especially with like boundary Fairway irrigation
if you're throwing a lot of water down
and it's a windy site
that water is not just gonna go forward
it's gonna go everywhere in the wind
and then you end up basically growing grass on dunes
on the peripheries of fairways
which end up being thick and lush
which is they'll get they'll sort that
out that's just them
trying to get the grass properly grown in yeah
exactly it's not a it's not a slight at all um
yeah so I
I don't know what I what order I'd want to play them in
but I don't as golf king Sparn's a lot of fun
there's big walks but so does Trump and that's
this is the interesting thing in links golf
there's very rarely do you get asked for a big walk
mm hmm but in the modern stuff there is on all of them
that's true
so why is it interesting is I think similar
so when you talk about some of the bigger walks
on classical golf courses
like Cruden Bay has some big walks um
to get to the top of the hill
is it 8 and then you have to walk up to nine
I think it's 8 and then 9
you play into the punch bowl and you walk up
that's a big walk and then once you get to the
the far end you
you hit an elevated shot down
to get into that back pocket of Dune land
that's the only elevated tea
that's the only big walk that is the only one
that's one just to cause of the nature of the site
you can't fit in anything else on that side of the
that side of the hill that has the famous coffin hole
but it's very
it's very true like Kings Barns and Castle Stewart
both have like if you wanna
if you wanna get back to the clubhouse
you at Castle Stewart
you literally have to walk straight up that hill
there's no elegant way to
there's no other elegant way to
to get around it other than look
there's 150 feet straight up
like we talked about the severity of the site
say at the Addington or the Sunningdale new lost holes
um
and if you're playing golf holes on severe ground
it's not as bad even though the walk is the same
like you're still walking up a hill
but it seems like if you're walking
after you've hit your ball
then it's acceptable
where if you have to stop golf and then walk
then somehow it's a
it it is not as fun
that means the one course that I would say
that kind of goes against that
as far as new build is Rossa Peninsula
Saint Patrick's
that site although there is some big walks
and there's some hard walks
I think 14 15
16 kind of going up down
up down and then back around on yourself
those done very elegantly
so and I guess
that's why you'd look at Saint Patrick's and say
it's a really good golf course
but Jasper one thing I would say is like a
a great example is Galen 1
I know you're not as much a fan of it as I am
but um when you get to the top of the hill
you have had a big
a big walk to get to the top of the hill
but once you get to you've played golf all the way from
the greens are right next to the next tee box
you play golf all the way
that means that the site isn't too severe
to have a stroll up a hill
you know it's not a heavy stroll
and once you get to the top
the payoff is great within terms of the view
the experience you know
so if you have like
there's no way they could have played golf up the slope
at between
I think it's 13 and 14 at Castle Stewart or 12 and 13
like there's no way there's
it's impossible
and I think the only way that you could have done it is
I mean I think that's where a lot of people too
you know maybe they try and fit a par 3 in there
where you try and work your way
like halfway up the hill
so you kind of walk a little bit up
and then you would pinch a green in somehow
that's a little bit higher
and then after that you would walk up again
but then again it kind of
goes against the ethos of what they were trying to do
is find the golf holes so
and let's be honest up hill par threes
there's very few work in the world exactly
that brings me to an interesting one
so Royal Copenhagen
OK so I was over to see Thomas uh
flew into Copenhagen uh
then we were meeting up with uh
the Cody who's a top 100 um
employee in America
he was over here on a little vacation with his wife
and we decided that yeah
we go and see Thomas and
and Cody and so we played Royal Copenhagen
so it's a it's a Deer Park
so similar to like a Knole park uh
down in London so it's an ancient hunting ground um
something about like
uh
recent kind of like
royal families in Europe
wanting massive hunting lodges with deers
and deer parks hey
we were up yeah
we were doing it here and they were doing it there
so anyways but it makes for good golf
so yeah no
so it's like Royal Copenhagen is the no park of
of Denmark basically
um and a really interesting golf course
in the sense that the the land is
is Rolling Hills basically uh
there's very few trees
only on the periphery of the course
and it plays longer than what you would imagine
looking at the scorecard because a lot of the
landing zones are into the uphill side of the Fairway
and there's lots of
straight holes that play as dog legs
so you
you've got to take on hazards in order to get the line
or to make the whole play shorter um
so really really classic golf course architecture
like nothing over the top
nothing crazy about it but just really
really solid golf
and the green sites were really cool
uh lots of like uh
mountain grass hollows
above ground features um
I think there is bunkers out there
but definitely not a lot
and 16 is an amazing bunkerless uphill par 3
and to your point you don't see them very often
but it's got a multi tiered green
kind of like put on top of this knoll
this little hill and it's just an amazing
amazing golf ball plays about 190 yards uphill
um I hit a really good shot into it
thought that I would be fine
it just kind of rolled off the
the left hand side
and then you get up there and look at it
and literally you
there there was no options for me
so I think it still took me three to get down
and I was quite happy with that
but it's it's a really exacting uphill par 3
which you don't see a lot of um
but if you're ever transiting through Copenhagen
like honestly
it's a golf course that I would go back to and play
um yeah really
really good city golf I've never been there
but I've heard and what I've seen
it looks like an incredibly raw
but fun place to play golf
yeah it's
it's basically a common land golf course
that's just turned out really well
um
it looks expensive as well
yeah you
it it's a really cool piece of property
with a very simple golf course
with very classic golf course
architecture laid on top of it
there is no reason why
you couldn't have more golf course like that
anywhere in the world and it's
it's good it's really
really good it's not tricked out um
they have a small team taking care of it and the
the clubhouse is great you
you drive up and you park in this car park
and you can get changed there
put your shoes on all the rest of it
get your bags out of your car
and you have to walk underneath
like through a tunnel underneath the railway
you get to this massive gate
which has the big coat of arms on it from the
the Danish royal family
you open that up and then you're into the park
and then you probably got like
a three or 4 hundred yard walk to get to the clubhouse
haha and so
it's an interesting one
because I was thinking about it
the it's almost like that
ritual of pulling up in the car park
getting changed grabbing your clubs
walking through a tunnel going through a gate
walking to the clubhouse
it's almost like you're leaving the world behind and it
it's a beautiful way to start
it's maybe like
when you turn down the road to go to Mirfield
like you can see the gates at the end and it's kind of
or the drive in at at Augusta
you know you pull it through the gates
and you kind of go through this
a lot of the the big clubs
whether you're driving or walking
it's almost like there's this transition period
that allows you to forget about what you've left
and embrace what you're coming to
um I know exactly what you're talking about there
and I do think the walk makes it so
if you have that first initial walk
to get to where you're when you drive
it doesn't feel quite maybe different at Magnolia Lane
cause you're watching you're just
it's a this space that is so stunning
but the
when you're going to somewhere like Mirfield
or Royal Copenhagen
or try and think of other examples of it but it's
it's the fact that you have to park a distance
away from where you're going
and then the that kind of 5 sec
5 minute walk two minute walk with your golf bag
your phone gets turned on to silent
gets chucked in the whatever
the golf bag and then that's it
the world cannot be my friend for
you know and I think that's it
that's a really special thing
so you know
it was interesting
we played at Crownwood and we were listening to music
you know when we went out with Christian in the morning
we had country tunes on
and he was blasting his radio and all the rest of it
and then we went in the afternoon and we had like
classic rock going a hoopy was the same thing
so similar vibe
like really cool experience
but then you get to like a different type of golf um
different type of golf course
different vibe entirely just as good
just really different and I think that's what
that's been interesting over the last little bit
is that we've had like
common land Deer Park golf
we've had you know
really high end modern private golf
we've had you know
little stone public pay and play
you know just raw
rudimentary golf over some really stunning land really
really good stuff um
and none of it better or worse than any of it just
just different um
and I guess that's the beautiful thing
is that in this little island we call home
um it's like all of that in abundance right here
which is pretty lucky we're
we're very fortunate to have it
a lot of the golf that we'd be talking about
people in America probably never heard of
you know or in Scandinavia
you know no one's ever going to Copenhagen
unless they're from Scandinavia
you know and so there's the last one
maybe we can end on this one
but uh
and we haven't even got to uh
to all the courses that you've been able to play
but my list would take up
I've been playing too much golf
so the last one we went to was a
a links golf course in the south of Sweden called
it's actually closer to to Copenhagen
but it's a really cool trip if you can do it uh
Crownwood
Royal Copenhagen and then foster both which is a
a really interesting but difficult links course
right on the southern tip of Sweden
really interesting tidal marshes
so you have these like
big kind of bunker looking things that are full of MUD
so it's a bit like a royal West Norfolk
it is yeah in a way
but not necessarily the expansive marshland
but like these pockets that you kind of have to avoid
um I somehow danced around them
the front line is just littered with these things
and when you kind of sit up on the tee
you can look at it
and you don't really know if it's a bunker
or one of these ponds
and somehow like the golf gods were smiling on me
and I missed every single one of them
I played quite well on the front and then I mean
there's some serious golf to be had on that back line
like it is it's a difficult golf course
I'm not gonna say it's I hate using that word fair
because I don't think
good golf is necessarily always fair
as in a quote unquote
execution of a shot necessarily gets rewarded um
but you you just had to hit solid golf shots repeatedly
uh and if you didn't
the next shot was always harder
so I guess that is the definition of a good
strategic golf course um
but yeah there is some
there's some serious golf to be had there
and at first blush it's very
very mundane you kind of pull up in the car park
and the car park is like surrounded by massive
like nets it's almost
it feels like you've parked on a driving range
and that's kind of the first impression
you kind of think I came all the way here for this
and then as you make it around the golf course
it just gets better and better and better
and then the the closing holes are
are really good from the lighthouse in um
just solid hole after solid hole after solid hole
so there you go
here's a maybe two top tips for the listeners
so if you're going down to Kent
and you wanna see something different
um obviously always try to play deal sandwich princes
those are your big three uh
add in North Foreland if you can and Little Stone um
and Rye as well
those are always available and Rye if you can do it
if you can
and on the on route back into London is Addington
Addington for sure
if you have extra time to do even more
I would always put Pulborough in there
um
and if you wanted to experience some really old school
heathland then Royal Ashdown Forest is a
an interesting one there too bunkerless
bunkerless um
yeah it's again that's
it's a unique golf course
so it's just a taste of something different
but if you were looking for a week long holiday
uh this summer or autumn
I mean that that's a cracking trip
some really high end stuff
some really unique stuff
and just a completely different experience
between links and
and heathland
and a variety of links and a variety of heathland
and if you can make it over to Scandinavia
I mean we did it in three days
arrived on the first day one night
second night and then left late on the third day
Copenhagen is an amazing city
um like it's
it's a miniature London at all the best bits of it
absolutely brilliant city
and you've got Royal Copenhagen
Foster both just across the bridge
and then you've got Crown Wood
if you can make it up there
but even if you did Foster Bone
Royal Copenhagen available to everyone
you would not be disappointed with that trip
Parkland and links course over there
city break at Copenhagen that would be a good weekend
sounds fantastic yeah
genuinely does well
I think we've hit the hour Mark
so I think
we probably don't want to bore everyone
too much about our adventures
and showing off our amazing golf courses we've played
and
thank you very much to everyone who's listened
and thank you very much to you Jasper
yeah thanks for having me James
as always it's a joy
and uh
to everyone who's listening
please remember to play fast and lunch slow
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