This week, BACD Board Member Dr. Doug Watt sits down for a captivating conversation with distinguished guest Dr. Nazariy Mykhaylyuk. Known globally as an influential speaker and dental professional from Ukraine, Dr. Mykhaylyuk provides us with an enlightening tour of the cutting-edge field of digital dentistry and its groundbreaking potential.
From harnessing the power of 3D software to design unique smiles, to using facial scans, intraoral scans, and CBCT to generate a digital replica of a patient - we delve into the future of dentistry and how these groundbreaking advancements are revolutionizing the profession.
Is it possible to make dentistry a business, yet maintain the professional integrity and quality? Our guest believes so, and shares his personal journey on how he transformed his dentistry practice into a thriving business. He discusses the strategic shifts he made, and the role digital dentistry played in achieving his success. The conversation then veers into a crucial aspect in the digital era - the ability to replicate a smile done years ago, with precision and ease, something that was almost unthinkable in the era of analog dentistry.
From personal anecdotes to professional insights, this episode is a treasure trove for anyone interested in understanding the digital transformation of dentistry.
For the video versions of all BACD Podcasts head to https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_QEFI0rmiaNYJmACUGLq8Re3uZ0icAOU&si=qw2NCg1iBZ7iKBkU
This week, BACD Board Member Dr. Doug Watt sits down for a captivating conversation with distinguished guest Dr. Nazariy Mykhaylyuk. Known globally as an influential speaker and dental professional from Ukraine, Dr. Mykhaylyuk provides us with an enlightening tour of the cutting-edge field of digital dentistry and its groundbreaking potential.
From harnessing the power of 3D software to design unique smiles, to using facial scans, intraoral scans, and CBCT to generate a digital replica of a patient - we delve into the future of dentistry and how these groundbreaking advancements are revolutionizing the profession.
Is it possible to make dentistry a business, yet maintain the professional integrity and quality? Our guest believes so, and shares his personal journey on how he transformed his dentistry practice into a thriving business. He discusses the strategic shifts he made, and the role digital dentistry played in achieving his success. The conversation then veers into a crucial aspect in the digital era - the ability to replicate a smile done years ago, with precision and ease, something that was almost unthinkable in the era of analog dentistry.
From personal anecdotes to professional insights, this episode is a treasure trove for anyone interested in understanding the digital transformation of dentistry.
For the video versions of all BACD Podcasts head to https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_QEFI0rmiaNYJmACUGLq8Re3uZ0icAOU&si=qw2NCg1iBZ7iKBkU
Welcome to the official podcast of the British Academy of Cosmetic Dentistry. Whether you're a seasoned dental professional, an eager student or simply someone curious about the intricacies of cosmetic dentistry, you're in the right place. Here at the BACD, we bring together the brightest minds, groundbreaking research and innovative practices from across the UK and beyond. In each episode, we aim to delve deep, offering insights, sharing stories and demystifying the beautiful world of cosmetic dentistry. I'm Simon Chard, president of the BACD. I'm thrilled to have you join us on this enlightening journey. Let's dive right in.
Doug Watt:Hello and welcome to this podcast which we are recording on behalf of the British Academy of Cosmetic Dentistry ahead of the 2023 conference, which was held at the Institute of Engineering Technology in London on the 9th to the 11th of November. Today, I'm joined by Dr , from Ukraine, who is presenting a hands-on session of the conference. So, hi Naz, how are you?
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:Hey, I'm good, thank you. Thank you for inviting me.
Doug Watt:Thanks for agreeing to come and do this podcast with us, so we're really looking forward to hosting the conference and having your session of the conference. So maybe to start with, if you could just introduce yourself, give us a little bit of information about who you are, where you work and how that's come about really.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:Yeah, I'm a dentist from Ukraine, so I'm also an international speaker. I'm focused on smile makeovers and also full mouth reconstructions. I have two practices in Ukraine. Also, I have two training centers. One of them is in Las Vegas, Envision Las Vegas, and another one is Envision Kualumpur. So it's basically in Asia, in Malaysia, oh wow. And now I'm fully focused on the digital workflow and my main focus again are smile makeovers and full mouth reconstructions. So 80% of my cases that I'm doing are full mouth rehabs.
Doug Watt:Right, brilliant. So Las Vegas and Kualumpur, so those are interesting, interesting places to have training centers. So how did that come about?
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:Well, I mean, you know, I have my training center also in Ukraine, and when my friends and partners they saw the way how we organize courses in Ukraine, they saw that people are coming from all around the world. We were doing lots of live patient courses and they said, hey, listen, why don't you bring this experience to US? And so first we actually opened the same type of training center in Las Vegas, and it's also, you know, it's a great city to visit, so it's usually interesting for participants to combine so they can learn new stuff and also, at the same time, they can visit a great place like Las Vegas. And then, once we started running courses in Las Vegas, I also got people who contacted me about Asia. They were like, hey, listen, we have so many people eager to learn digital dentistry here in Asia, so maybe let's go ahead and open a training center for Asian region. And this is how we ended up in Kualumpur.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:That's also, by the way, a really amazing place to visit. If you haven't been there, you should go. There are really interesting stuff to see. And this is where we also run these type of courses. We have the same setup in both training centers, so we have all possible digital equipment that you can imagine, like facial scanners, mojo intral scanners, microscopes, the phantoms, live patient demos, everything for the participants. And the main focus is the hands on part. So all of the participants are using that technology by themselves, so 50% of time they are having the hands on sessions.
Doug Watt:Wow, sounds amazing and, at the center, sound brilliant. All the kind of gadgets I like to use in clinic and are fascinated by things like mod jaw and trios and all those things. So, going back to the BACD conference, what are delegates who are going to come and do your hands on session going to learn on this session?
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:So for the BACD session, we're actually planning to discuss the possibilities of digital dentistry. In planning, we will actually speak about how we can design smiles for the patients ourselves using the three shape software. So, because quite many dentists are nowadays doing the designs by themselves Things like designing mock up and even many of them are also designing the final cases and mill the final cases for themselves. So I think it's becoming the routine workflow that each dentist should know how to accomplish himself. And also we see that we have lots of requests from the dentist. They want to learn how to do this design themselves, especially nowadays when we have so many different types of the dental software, of the designing software. So this is what we are going to do actually in BACD conference we're going to have the hands on session, we're going to have the laptops for everybody, we're going to have a patient and all of the participants will design a smile using the CAD software from three shape.
Doug Watt:Brilliant. So it's in effect the 2D smile designer, and then transferring that over to the lab software.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:That's basically not a 2D, that's a 3D design.
Doug Watt:So are you going to be starting with a smile frame and then moving into a real view engine and all that kind of stuff.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:That is correct.
Intro - Simon Chard:Yes, yes, so how you go from one to the next Amazing.
Doug Watt:And so why do you feel so passionate about digital dentistry? What do you feel interests you the most and makes you passionate?
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:about it.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:I'll tell you like this I think all of us dentists. First of all, we need to have some type of change in our profession from time to time. Why? Because you can agree with me that once we learn, the workflow that we use our work in the clinic becomes like a routine stuff, and when you're doing the same thing every single day, eventually it can become actually boring and you're not anymore excited. So it sounds strange, but this is also one of the reasons why, in 2016, I decided to move to the digital dentistry because I wanted to bring some new, interesting experience to my life. That's the reason number one, but that's not the main reason. The second reason that I think is probably the most important is that the digital technology and the proper use of this technology allows me to work less but produce more cases, because now the digital technology is helping me and still have time to enjoy life. You know, I got married last weekend oh, congratulations, and I can tell you that one more time. I realized that teeth are important, but they are not the most important in life, and this is why I'm using this technology to have enough free time to do other things in my life besides dentistry Using things like 3D printers, like milling machines, allows me to complete full-month reconstructions in a maximum of seven, eight days, instead of two, four weeks in the past using the analog workflow. So now again I can work less but be able to produce more. That's the second reason.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:The third reason is the possibilities to fix things. Let's imagine just a clinical example. You had a case that you've done five years ago for one of your patients beautiful new smile and something happens to one of the teeth, let's say they break the tooth, anterior tooth, lateral incisor or central incisor, doesn't matter. So what you're supposed to do, you're supposed to find a dental technician who was doing that case and ask him to reproduce something that he has done five years ago. It's like the same if you go to the restaurant and you say hey guys, you know I came to your place five years ago and I had this great soup. Can you cook for me the same soup that you did five years ago? Probably that's difficult, right? So the same thing is in analogue dentistry. It's quite difficult to replicate something that you are like layering, let's say five years ago. But using the digital tools, what we can do, we can just use the same file that was used for the patient years ago. Use the same type of material, the easy technique of the 3D staining, and replicate completely same tooth that looks completely the same as the patient had previously. And we had cases when we were fixing some things in patient's mouth and even the other doctors in my own office they wouldn't even notice that that's a different tooth. This is. These are the great possibilities that we have from the digital dentistry. Plus.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:One more thing it's a possibility to cooperate with the labs that are far away from the office, like we have a lab that is working with many offices around the world in Ukraine, our own lab.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:It's called Envision Lab and, for example, let's say you're in London, you have your patient, you scan your patient, make a face scan, make an intrawarl scan. I mean you use the tool that you have. Even if you have just the intrawarl scanner, you already can scan the teeth, take some pictures, put it through the drop box and we can see it right away in five minutes in our lab we can design a case for you. We send you the STL file, you have your 3D printer, you print your case, you transfer a mockup, you demonstrate to your patient, you sell a case to your patient, then you use the same mockup for reverse preparation, you make the provisional using the same mockup and then you can also send the scan to our lab and we produce a case for you. So when we speak about the analog, I mean that would be very difficult to do, that to cooperate with the labs that are far away from the office. With the digital it's very, very simple and you can cooperate between different countries.
Doug Watt:I think, yeah, you've vocalized my experience Again, similar to 2016,. I think I got into digital and got the trial scanner and then got printer, got a mill, all that kind of stuff and built up and I think that the predictability for the patient's outcomes, the planning, the interest I mean that was a massive thing for me, the fact that I was suddenly interested in dentistry after 15 years of taking impressions and all that just massively reinvigorating my interest in dentistry. I think that it's saved my career to something. So I think it made it interesting again and made me love it again. Brilliant. So can you tell us an interesting fact about yourself that other people might not know? Nothing too? The interesting.
Doug Watt:Yeah, something interesting, oh, that you, something interesting about yourself that other people may not be aware of.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:Okay, I'm quite. I can say that I am. Even though that I look very strict from the outside, at home I can be a quite sensitive person. It's just the life that makes us create this protective shield, you know. So sometimes, especially at work, I'm very well organized and I'm always super strict, but at home I'm a different person. So that's why, quite often, people who see me only on the social media they and then they meet me in real life they quite often say that in real life I'm way softer person.
Doug Watt:Right.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:For them that it looks on a social media, because on a social media, you know, you always try to be so strict, so serious, because you're a speaker and you present yourself in this way. But you know, sometimes it's probably even too much. Sometimes you need to share a bit of the way how you really are in your life, you know, Because not everybody is perfect, not everybody is super organized and sometimes probably you have to share that as well. Let's say like this yeah, I'm terrible.
Doug Watt:On social media I put pictures of me playing guitar and songs and all sorts of things. I'm I lack seriousness, but I've not got many followers, so that's probably safe. So, with regards to dentures, I suppose the heaven and hell of dentures. What are your favorite parts of dentures and what would you if you could or maybe you already have cut out of your practicing life entirely? I mean for me, dentures I would get rid of in a second. You probably don't do a lot of that kind of stuff, but what would your favorite bits in your bitude been instantly?
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:I think I'll have a little longer answer to that question. If it's okay, no problem. You know I graduated in 2010 it was 13 years ago and in 2010 I'll get a little more into even some business details. In 2010 you know how much we were charging a patient in the office per unit 80 euros, 80, 80 and those days it was considered to be where we work and lift quite high price. So what I decided to do because you said something about dangers and I think it's a very interesting topic to touch I kind of decided to build some strategy.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:What I wanted to change and what I wanted to do in the future. Now is the future because I like this, but those days for me it was the future. That's far away and I always had a dream that I want to do big cases like full month reconstructions. Those days, back in 2010, I was doing always it was a single unit either you know one posterior tooth or single central. Even some guys were making fun of me. They were calling me one tooth prosodontist. But I was answering that to learn how to do properly the full month rehab, you have to learn first how to do one tooth. And this is how this is when I realized again those early days in 2010, 2011, that I have a plan and I need to go to follow that plan because in the future, again, I don't want to do one tooth, I want to focus on big cases, and this is how I was also organizing my practice. I'm always selling to the dentist do not try to treat all of the patients.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:You don't need to treat all of the patients. You need one percent, one percent of population, it's maximum, even half percent of population. So that's why you need to fit in, to choose the niche. If you're doing great implants amazing. Become the best surgeon. If you're doing best dentures all on four, on six, amazing. Focus on this and grow your practice in this perspective.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:If you want to be, for example, like me, I'm doing, as I said previously, a few times full month rehabs, both on teeth and implants just focus on this. If you want to do only veneers, do only veneers. If you want to do only endo, do only endo, but be the best in what you are doing. It's impossible to learn everything and to be the best in everything, but once you have your own niche and people know you because you're good in this, you can always put the prices you want. Why? Because you are the one who is producing the best quality. Once you learn to produce the best quality, it's the moment when usually the price doesn't matter. And again, this is how I also refused not refused, but, sorry stopped doing the removal dentures. I was also doing many removal dentures in the past, but now I'm not doing anymore right, so become and something sorry to answer what I wanted to exclude from right.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:Yes, yeah, what would you question what I would like to exclude. Yeah, I think what I would like to exclude personally myself is is a really huge responsibility that I feel for each case. You, you definitely have to be responsible for every case that you do. But even though, again, it's my 14th year of working after graduation, I have I have people know I have a crazy responsibility for what I'm doing and I'm sometimes joking with my patients that I'm usually bonding their case twice. The time number one is when I'm sleeping and dreaming about this, and the second time is basically when I wake up and go to the clinic and some of the patients told me but doctor, that's good. I'm like, yes, that's good for you, but not really good for me, like that's the point. So what I'm trying to say is that definitely you have to be responsible in dentistry, but there have to be borders. You cannot fool, you cannot fulfill all your brain only with the teeth. Again, there are many things beside the teeth.
Doug Watt:I've been graduated 20 years and I still worry about every case and think about it, but dream about it before.
Doug Watt:I do so. It doesn't go away. So, going back to the digital dentistry, I saw I don't know when I started seeing your posts on social media, but I've seen them for a good few years now and you know I think it started off with microscope, probably prior to 2016 your impressions of your microscope dentistry, and then, more recently, digital dentistry, which passion of mine. And then the other day I saw you know you posted about the trios, the facial scanners, module, articulation, all the different bits of kit that you you're using, you get into and obviously you're very into your digital gadgetry. How did, how did that come about? What can you explain? The journey of how you, firstly, why you transition from impressions and, secondly, how you transitioned and how that that transition and our journey was for you?
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:you know I think that's definitely all of us and I'm sure you agree with me everybody in the world will be using digital dentistry. It's like. It's like transitioning from the phones with the buttons to the phones with the type strings, right, I mean, ask now the young generation and tell them about the phones with the buttons.
Intro - Simon Chard:Yeah, they'll be shocked. What are you talking about? You have to click numbers to text.
Doug Watt:I have a nephew.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:Yeah, now I have a nephew. You know what he does. He comes to any screen and he wants to increase the image.
Doug Watt:I do that sometimes. You know, I've got non-touch screen monitors at work and I try and touch them. Yeah, yeah probably.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:He's like how come you cannot magnify on the screen, because all the screens are supposed to be touch screens, you know? The same example is with my sister who, she is also a dentist, but she's way younger than me. She never took the impression, she went straight to the intro or scanner and she went straight to the microscope. So for her it's a pure normality. She doesn't know. It's like for me to take impressions with the gypsum. Yeah, you know. Yeah, but for some of the dentists it was normal to use that material because there was time for this, you know. So that's the point.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:So I realized that dentistry is changing and I was very interested to use this new technology. I mean, nowadays, you know better than me, again, that with the scanner, let's say, we have a prepped upper arch. You scan everything. You check your scan. You see that there is no margin on one of the teeth. You erase only that specific part, you improve the retraction in the mouth, you scan one more time and your impression is beautiful. Show me one person on this planet who can take 14 units with the perfect margin impression.
Doug Watt:Yeah, no air blows, no drugs nothing.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:I mean it's in repeatable work, in repeatable, from patient to patient, not one impression, but from patient to patient, from patient to patient. That's quite difficult, even if you're a pro. That's quite difficult, you know. So with the scanning you have way more possibilities. I mean you can scan a mock-up, then you can scan the prepared teeth. So then you're not gassing what you're getting in the end because your cat designer is completely controlling the final design of the restorations.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:Then you're asking about the facial scanner and the rest of the technology. You know, in the analog workflow, most of the cases the only patient that dental technician sees is articulator. Right, yeah, very difficult to create beautiful smile for articulator, well, yeah, but now it's really great. Now it's really great with the digital dentistry, because now we can actually create the digital avatar of the patient. We can combine facial scan, intral scan, we can combine CBCT and also, with the help of Mojo, we can record all of the movements of the mandible. We can even record speech, for example, like sound 66. And we can control the movement of the mandible, because some people, when they say 66, they have vertical movement, some people have horizontal movement. So in that case we clearly understand how much.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:We should add volume on the volatile side of the upper teeth so they don't interfere with the lower teeth during these sounds. I mean we can go deep in dentistry. I don't want to take the whole time with this, but the point is that now, with this help of technology, we can completely recreate a digital copy of a patient with all of the possible functional movements and, having a facial scan, we can nicely integrate the smile in the face without counting, without improper sagittal position for the teeth and all of the details. So now every single patient that we have, our cat designer, sees a complete copy of that patient. So now they clearly see who they are doing this case for.
Doug Watt:Yeah, I mean always used to say how can a patient, how can a lab technician look at a stone model with no information, because back in the day where you'd send a A3 shape tab or whatever, and how can that, even with a good impression, how can that lab technician actually use that to give something that fits that patient or looks at anything like what it should, whereas now, as you're saying, you're purely facially driven and the lab technician has so much information. But I suppose also that gives a sort of emotional connection to that patient. For the lab technician it's not just a tooth on a model, it's a person behind it. So you're actually involving that in the treatment planning and you've got the fully facially driven treatment plan from the start to finish. You start with the end in mind and everything, everything you do from that initial setup. Your treatment plan is generated from that backwards and then it helps it write itself, I suppose. So, yeah, it's an amazing, amazing workflow and I love sort of the 100%.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:And plus, yeah, plus, we have a possibility to use the natural libraries. Yes, so you know, it's not anymore dependent on the skill of the technician. And you know what I see. Honestly, I see many dental technicians who are doing analog but now are doing digital and their level of work went up really fast because, you know, everybody has different skills and that's normal, and probably some of their skills were not the highest level, but the digital technology gave them the possibility to use the natural shapes and their cases now look way more beautiful. So you know what we do.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:For example, usually when I motivate the patient to start a treatment, I show my previous cases, even the ones that I've done in analog workflow many years ago. So what I did? I invited all of those people that I did analog workflow for and I scanned their teeth upper and lower and we saved them as the library. So now when I have a patient who comes and says, hey, I really love those shapes and that type of smile, no problem, we are just using that same library that we scanned the patient and we can reproduce the same thing. Or when I have the older lady come into the office and she says you know, when I was young, I had teeth, just like my daughter has now. The only question I have is where is the daughter?
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:So then we would invite daughter with the teeth, use them as a library, of course, equilibrate according to the occlusal conditions of the lady, and then we replicate the same thing. So I mean, those are the possibilities that we've never had even close in the analog workflow. But that's normal. There is time for everything. Again, there was time for the analog workflow and we were trying to take maximum out of analog workflow. But the world moves on and now we have the new stage, the new time in dentistry when everything is digital and it's not a question whether you're going to be digital or not digital. It's only the question when you're going to be digital, and it's not anymore the future. It's already kind of the past because it's already on the market.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:It's working and, what's also interesting, patients. Patients are also very smart. They are following the market. We have people that you will not believe. They call and they say I want to come because I know you have module for diagnostics. Wow, patients say that. So, just like you are following my social media, I have many patients who are also following me for years and then, only after a few years, they come to the office and do the treatment and they know everything. They can tell you everything about the facial scan, you know, intradural scan about the module and everything. So what I'm trying to say? That patients are getting more and more educated, and if they come to your office and they see that you're not using magnification, that you're not using digital technology, I mean, then they have some questions.
Doug Watt:Yeah, and I think patients as well. When you do use these things for them, when you're even just taking photos of their teeth, taking scans of their teeth, it impresses them, they are surprised because, especially if they've been to another practice previously which was purely analog and they've had their mouth full of alginate or silicon or whatever else, it changes their experience entirely. And I think that's one of the sort of massive, massive differences from a patient perspective. I mean we could talk all day about the sort of geeky side of digital dentistry and all the, I suppose, the workflows that are yet to be developed in the way we can utilize all these different types of scans pre-preparation scans, adding extra scans into things and utilizing those. But also from a patient perspective, it's just much nicer and if word of mouth gets out that you're the person using your trioscan or your facial scanner module and all these different things, people are astounded and it does improve your presence, I suppose, and the word of mouth referrals to your practice.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:And, by the way, I explain all of my patients the benefits of this technology because otherwise they cannot understand the value. If you don't explain, okay, you have all these toys, but if the person doesn't know what you need them for, it's kind of useless, it's also the worst if the dentist doesn't know what they're using for.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:Yeah. So the thing is like today I'm starting two new cases after ortho treatment, two full mouth reconstructions. Now I was using Mojo, the face scan. So meanwhile, while doing all these procedures, I was explaining everything to the patient shortly that here now we can actually record all of the movements of your mandible. We could never do that ever before in history of dentistry but now we could record some movements, but now we can record all of the movements. So that will help us to create more functional, more proper functional bite for you and less risks in the future to break those restorations. And then they understand why they are in your office and not in somebody's else's office.
Doug Watt:Yeah, brilliant. Now at the conference where you're supported by Three Shape, I believe, doing your session and there are going to be Three Shape software and scanners and things there as a company, what do you feel the benefits of Three Shape as a company are? Because I know the scanners are great and the workflow and the ecosystem I suppose does even better than having you know you have theirleries.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:That's true. That's true. The thing is, when I started using the digital dentistry, it's neither three-shape knew me neither I knew three-shape. That's the point. That was back in 2016. No one. So the thing is, it was also kind of a lucky guess for me those years, but now I'm more than happy that I chose that direction and the answer is very simple. I already said that word.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:It's all about the ecosystem. It's just like we're using all the Apple stuff. Like I have iPhone, I take pictures, I have those pictures right away on my iPad, on my MacBook, on my iMac, and I can use the benefits of these brand, of all of their developments. The same with the scan. You perfectly know it that if I do the pre-preparation scan, if I do the final scan, if I do HD photos over my scan just to make sure that my cat designer sees all of the areas perfectly I mean the marginal zone then you can use these benefits.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:Only if you're sending this to the three-shape, because quite often people are asking which scanner should I choose, and I have this kind of joke that to choose a scanner is just to buy a scanner is like marrying a woman. You're not marrying only a woman, you're marrying the whole family. So the same thing is with the scanner. It's not only about the scanner, it's about which software you're going to use. It's about which software is going to use your lab. It's about which software is using your orthodontist, who is also doing digital ortho. And three-shape allows us to have one ecosystem for everybody For my surgeon, for Implant Studio, for my orthodontist, orthoanalyzer, dental system on the side of my cat designer and Unite Software on my side. And this is how we can use all of the benefits. Yes, we invest money in this technology, but then we can get maximum out of this technology.
Doug Watt:Yeah, Going back to the analogy of marrying a woman. What you're saying is three-shape, has a good mother-in-law. Yeah, so to finish off, I suppose, outside of dentistry, when we take teeth away from it all, what would you do say to relax? What are your hobbies? What do you do in your spare time? Or do you not have much spare time?
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:Sorry, sorry, sorry, my phone just fell down. I mean my answer probably will be nothing too much special. I think that you can become successful in what you're doing. We're speaking right now about dentistry is when you are enjoying it. So I'm truly enjoying what I'm doing. That's the one thing. Another thing is that because of dentistry, I have a chance to travel to see the world. I mean, I've been to more than 70 countries in the last 13 years and probably if I was not a dentist I wouldn't have that chance. So I'm enjoying also traveling a lot and also I enjoy spending time with my family. Probably when we are getting older we start appreciating and understanding that the family is the most important thing when.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:I was younger, I was very eager and I was very motivated that I have to buy a car, I want. I have to buy apartment, I want, I want this, this, this, this. But then when you're getting older, you have a little different things that you appreciate. So for me, those are three things Dentistry, traveling and spending time with my family. This is the best trio and I think that's normal and I really hope that everybody who is watching this podcast, I really hope that these people are also enjoying their profession, because otherwise it's very difficult to stay motivated.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:You know, quite often people are asking me where do I get the motivation? And the motivation is coming from the inside. The motivation is coming from looking at the other successful people. That's how I started at the beginning, because when I was buying books at the beginning like Pascal Manier, like, you know, gallip Guerre, like Mauro Fradani, like Peter Dawson and I understood only one thing that that was a day when these people were also students. They were not born superstars in dentistry, but then it was the path that they chose in their life and everybody is choosing his own path. I just wish all of the people. Somebody is becoming more famous, somebody is becoming less famous. That's not the main goal in life to become famous. But what's important is, again, to enjoy what you're doing. Doesn't matter if you're doing full math reconstructions or you're doing endodontics. That's the point. But anyways, again when I come to the ACD, we will speak a lot about the digital dentistry and how we can use digital technology to simplify your life.
Doug Watt:And improve your outcomes and improve your experience of dentistry as a profession. So all of those things Right. One final question then, a bit of fun. If you weren't a dentist, what would be your dream job and why? And you're not allowed to say dentistry is my dream job. You've got to think of something, just crazy and out there.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:I was just a little comment about dentistry because probably people don't know why I became a dentist is because my father is dental technician.
Doug Watt:I did know that and you did I did know that, yeah. I did know. Yeah, I think you've posted on social media my father is yeah, my father.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:There is organization called Oral Design International, so that's organization of the top dental technicians and I'm very proud. My father is one of those members of that organization. And back in the years, when I saw my father working so hard, I've never been dreaming to become a dentist. I never had that type of dream. It's just when I saw that my father is working so hard in this type of field, I just felt like I need to continue what he is doing, and this is how I actually became a dentist. If I was not a dentist, probably I would be a CEO of some company, because I'm quite an active guy, I like lots of action, I like business and, by the way, we will also speak about this, because no one is working for free, right Neither me, neither you, neither anybody who's watching this video and we will also discuss how actually to build the proper business, because dentistry is also a business. Let's say like this so yeah, so probably I would be a CEO of some big company, yeah brilliant CEO of ThreeShape, maybe so.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:Yeah, maybe.
Doug Watt:Right, well, thank you very much for your time today. I think it's been a really good discussion and lots of information out there about what's gonna be going on in November. I'm really looking forward to the conference. I'm looking forward to attending your session on the Thursday. So, yeah, it'll be really good to meet you in person and catch up about it.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:And, yeah, I even think that people can just follow my Instagram to see the videos and to understand what we're up to, because I'm always saying a conversation is great, but it's also nice to see what the person is up to. You know, like you know what I'm doing, so we're speaking the same language. So, just for people who again are interested in digital dentistry, again, they're welcome just to check my social media, like either Instagram or Facebook, and just see what we are doing, and then I think you will be even more interested to visit the events at BACD.
Doug Watt:Yeah, do your homework on what NAS is up to before the BACD conference and the hands-on session, and it'll get more out of it that way, amazing. Well, thank you once again for your time and I look forward to seeing you in London in November for three days of fun.
Nazariy Mykhaylyuk:Thank you. Thank you, it was a pleasure.
Doug Watt:Cheers. Thank you very much, music, and I'll see you in the next one. Bye, bye, bye, bye, bye, bye you.