You've Got People Problems

Navigating the Layoff Landscape ​| Ep 37 | You've Got People Problems

Melissa Ortiz, Talent Optimization Expert

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In this episode of You’ve Got People Problems, host Melissa Ortiz is joined by author and speaker Steve Jaffe to explore layoffs from a perspective that is rarely discussed openly: the human experience after a job loss and the responsibility leaders carry on both sides of the table.

Drawing from his book The Layoff Journey: From Dismissal to Discovery and his own experience of being laid off four times, Steve shares how people move through the emotional stages of job loss, including shock, shame, and identity disruption. Melissa and Steve discuss why layoffs are no longer rare events, how unprepared most people are for them, and why leaders and HR professionals benefit from understanding what employees experience long after the moment of termination.

Rather than focusing only on process or compliance, the conversation centers on empathy, perspective, and what helps people regain clarity and confidence during transition.

Key topics covered in this episode include:

  • The emotional stages people experience after a layoff
  • Why identity and self-worth often become tied to work
  • How shame and silence can delay recovery after job loss
  • What leaders and HR teams often underestimate about layoffs
  • How empathy changes the way layoffs are handled
  • What helps individuals move from dismissal to discovery

This episode is especially valuable for leaders who have navigated layoffs, HR professionals responsible for delivering difficult news, and individuals facing career transitions. The conversation offers insight into how layoffs impact people beyond the moment itself and why leadership presence matters long after the decision is made.

If you want a more human, thoughtful perspective on layoffs and how people move through them, this episode provides clarity and compassion without oversimplifying a difficult topic.