160 - A Birthday Bash

A Birthday Bash in the Green Room

Kurt and Jamie share a lively pre-episode chat in the 'green room' to celebrate Jamie's birthday with virtual confetti and some technical hiccups. They discuss topics ranging from the new features in their livestreaming software to student loan debts, before transitioning to talking about birthday celebrations, tapping techniques in sketching, and upcoming plans for Archinktober. The episode centers on Alejandro Aravena’s building in Austin, delving into its unique design inspired by a geode, and its significant layers of brickwork. A friendly challenge for creating sketches and musical tracks during Archinktober is also proposed, all wrapped up with humorous and reflective banter.

00:00 Welcome to the Green Room
00:11 Confetti Mishaps and Birthday Celebrations
00:18 Tech Glitches and New Features
02:24 Twin Stories and Baby Photos
03:02 Podcast Improvements and Music Loops
07:12 True Crime and Podcast Banter
12:53 Mirroring Video and Camera Tricks
14:40 Coffee Talk: Birthday Brews and Fall Flavors
16:17 Local Coffee Adventures and Sustainability
17:52 Sponsorship Hopes and Fun Promos
18:15 ArchInktober Challenge
21:32 Architectural Sketch: The Geode Building
26:09 Design Insights: Brick Patterns and Masonry
35:41 Architectural Philosophy: Quality and Affordability
39:25 Wrapping Up: October Sketch Challenge

Transcript

Kurt Neiswender: 0:32

Hey Jamie. How's it going? Happy birthday.

Jamie Crawley: 0:36

Thank you.

Kurt Neiswender: 0:37

You always gotta I like celebrating people's birthdays, you know?

Jamie Crawley: 0:43

No, it's I mean They only happen

Kurt Neiswender: 0:45

once a year.

Jamie Crawley: 0:49

Yes. Yes, scientifically. These are all true. All true things. Like true crime. Yeah. See, gotcha, gotcha again.

Kurt Neiswender: 1:00

Yeah, true, true, true story. Yeah. True crime. If you know, you

Jamie Crawley: 1:04

know, if you were listening to the green room, you know, well, you know,

Kurt Neiswender: 1:06

well, some people have joined us. From the green room. So they know,

Jamie Crawley: 1:10

so yeah, they, they got to enjoy that genuine heartfelt laughter from Kurt who needed it.

Kurt Neiswender: 1:18

I'm a,

Jamie Crawley: 1:19

yeah,

Kurt Neiswender: 1:19

I'm a

Jamie Crawley: 1:19

good laugher.

Kurt Neiswender: 1:22

The the wife likes the laugh. Some people probably don't, but you know, they keep it to themselves.

Jamie Crawley: 1:33

It's, it's those non sequiturs that always, that, that's, that's your most endearing quality is like, is, is where you're just like, it's sort of self deprecating, but it's not because you're actually telling some kind of weird truth that is only in your brain. Like, but it's a nice story that everyone else goes, you know, that's why I like Kurt. Cause he can tell these great stories. And then all of a sudden, one of those great stories just takes a really hard left. And then we're,

Kurt Neiswender: 2:01

we're over here. Hey, you know what, you know, speaking of the hard left. So baseball, baseball, baseball analogies,

Jamie Crawley: 2:10

birth birthday,

Kurt Neiswender: 2:11

you get one G 13. You get one. I don't think we don't get knocked. We don't get dings on a,

Jamie Crawley: 2:20

I know I gotta keep it clean though.

Kurt Neiswender: 2:22

Sometimes our guests throw an occasional, four

Jamie Crawley: 2:24

letter favorite

Kurt Neiswender: 2:26

word, but you know,

Jamie Crawley: 2:28

we're

Kurt Neiswender: 2:29

really

Jamie Crawley: 2:29

pretty

Kurt Neiswender: 2:29

good

Jamie Crawley: 2:29

actually.

Kurt Neiswender: 2:30

So, so is it out of left field or out of right field when somebody says something?

Jamie Crawley: 2:37

Well, lefties, lefty, Right here. Left field is where right handed people would hit. I know. So why is it coming out of left field? Is it just like, is it just I feel like you're right field. I don't think they say right field.

Kurt Neiswender: 2:57

I feel like some people Let's check it.

Jamie Crawley: 3:00

What does the Google say? Like, goodness.

Kurt Neiswender: 3:03

Do you ever, Speaking of Googling, Do you use chat GPT for answers? Sometimes.

Jamie Crawley: 3:10

It is out of left field.

Kurt Neiswender: 3:12

You know, I've always Danielle used that today. Out of right

Jamie Crawley: 3:18

field or left field? She said left field. See, she's got something against lefties. I am too.

Kurt Neiswender: 3:28

It's subconscious, dude. It's ingrained. It's ingrained in us from little, little people. Is, is, is she, is

Jamie Crawley: 3:42

she listening to the subreddit podcast about our baseball? Maybe she's listening to more episodes than you think she is.

Kurt Neiswender: 3:56

I hope so.

Jamie Crawley: 3:58

We use those stats. Yeah. We need the stats. Come on. Family and friends.

Kurt Neiswender: 4:03

Yeah. Friends and family discount. Yeah. It counts. It's not a discount anyway. Oh man. What a, what a day on your, what a, it's, it's been fun. Like warmup chat. Just. Just getting to, you know, to hear after. I know. I mean, like even in the work outfit,

Jamie Crawley: 4:22

I'm not even doing, I'm not even sporting the, like the comfortable tea and stuff, you know?

Kurt Neiswender: 4:28

Yeah. I realized this is backwards. It's it's near, I get the

Jamie Crawley: 4:33

camera. You've always been backwards. Like every episode that I've ever done this with you, like you've always like the room, like there was one time where the room flipped on me and I was like, Holy crap, I thought the furniture was completely arranged differently.

Kurt Neiswender: 4:51

Are you, are you not mirroring your video? This is like some tech.

Jamie Crawley: 4:55

No, I'm not mirroring my video. What if I un mirror? Holy crap! Yeah,

Kurt Neiswender: 5:02

the door's right there. Cause I don't like it this way.

Jamie Crawley: 5:07

You're like, I don't like the way this room actually works in real life, so I'm just gonna flip

Kurt Neiswender: 5:12

it. But somehow, apology to listeners who probably don't care. Only the video people can see what's going on now. But anyway, should I leave it this way or should I flip it?

Jamie Crawley: 5:25

Well, it's, it's nice to, when you have text on your shirt that like it's not all gobbly goop.

Kurt Neiswender: 5:35

Except now I can't, I mean, I can't navigate things anyway. I'll get, I should probably train my brain to, to do it this way anyway. To read backwards. No, like to, well, present, present right way up, forward, forward, left, right. See, I think when I do that, when I do that

Jamie Crawley: 6:01

to you and you, you're like, damn, he's doing it again, but I know why he's doing it. I think we have listeners who are just smiling to themselves because they've been in the room when we do that in real life.

Kurt Neiswender: 6:13

Do do which the mirroring of the cameras or weird prompts, this banter,

Jamie Crawley: 6:19

the banter, the banter, I'm talking

Kurt Neiswender: 6:21

the

Jamie Crawley: 6:21

banter. Not flipping the mirror in the camera.

Kurt Neiswender: 6:25

Yeah. Apologies. Yeah. Anyway, keep the train moving.

Jamie Crawley: 6:29

Well, we'll keep going. Let's get this, get this. So this is episode one 60. Welcome to the show folks.

Kurt Neiswender: 6:38

So what do you, what, what's in the coffee cup for the birthday? Well,

Jamie Crawley: 6:43

I, I'm, I'm, I'm hearing that I might get some coffee sketch coffee. In the mail soon, which is awesome because I had to go to the store and get something in between as sort of like general, like, you know, house roast, you know, easy stuff when you don't want to like grind the beans, you got to have at least one bag of that, like pre ground. And I had run out. So I think the last time we, we, we chatted, it was the community coffee, you know, which is, is always good. It's a nice little staple and it's consistent, which I like. I was going to do that. Absolutely. I was going to do that. Was going to lean into it again. And. I saw this bag and it said fall blend from Starbucks. And I was like, what? And I was like, Oh yeah. Like the first day of fall is this week. So it was Saturday. So I just was like, well, okay, let's try it. And it's a blend. I don't know a blend of what but it also says like, it's going to smell like chestnuts or it has chestnut kind of Tones, and I will say the cup smells like chestnuts. So in a good way, and totally in a good way. As, as I made that sound like it was like sort of sketchy, but No, but it's, it, it's good.

Kurt Neiswender: 8:06

No, yeah, as advertised. It's always good when they're adver, you know? When things actually taste the way they're supposed to.

Jamie Crawley: 8:15

Yeah. So, so what about yourself?

Kurt Neiswender: 8:18

I went over myself to the Dale's the bulk, the sort of I don't know, what, what, what do I call it? The, the, the sort of mom and pop grocery. Okay,

Jamie Crawley: 8:29

when you've talked about them before I have this image of this bulk place where like there's a guy or a lady behind the counter and she's like how much do you want and there's like a like a like a metal thing here and they just Kind of go and like and just like this bucket just opens up like a dump truck of beans Like on Kurt's head

Kurt Neiswender: 8:51

I've, I've been trying to drink a little less coffee. So not, not a dump truck, not a dump truck full, not a 500 pound bag.

Jamie Crawley: 9:00

Bigger than a bread basket.

Kurt Neiswender: 9:02

Yeah. I have to, I have to self serve with the,

Jamie Crawley: 9:06

with the, there's a pulley.

Kurt Neiswender: 9:08

Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's actually a lot of fun. So it's an, I think I got an Italian roast, so it's a little bit darker. It's, I think it's called, I don't have it in front of me. I should have, but it's called like firecracker or something, something fun. I thought it was. It was nice. It's actually pretty tasty. I need to get back to folks, local and in bulk, you know, save some, save the planet, drink some coffee. Although I need to get back on this and some rootless soon because our friends

Jamie Crawley: 9:46

need to show us some love,

Kurt Neiswender: 9:49

you know,

Jamie Crawley: 9:50

sorry, that was a non sequitur.

Kurt Neiswender: 9:53

What are you talking about? You're trying to, are you trying to solicit some, some sponsorship? Maybe,

Jamie Crawley: 9:57

maybe, maybe, maybe they could just do a fun promo with our stuff. That would be something, you know, that would be cool. Cause they do, they do do some fun promos. So I

Kurt Neiswender: 10:06

like their ads. Yeah, it's not like better than television commercials these days. So, so there's that. So what was the other current events that we were going to before the sketch that we were going to talk about?

Jamie Crawley: 10:22

Well it's almost October. That's right, right. That's number one, almost October. And we might have talked about this in the past. Oh yes, we have. Arch Inktober. So, Arch Inktober, Jamie always tries to do all of the days. So we get these wonderful prompts from a friend of ours who curates them. Sometimes he, sometimes he goes out and solicits ideas from folks and then picks a few. So, Kurt has them up here on the screen just as sort of a nice little teaser. And he's definitely leaned in. To a generational divide. So I'm like, it's going to be fun. You know, remember those years where I was trying to do ARC Inktober and Inktober when there was two different prompts and like, I was trying to tie them together in the same sketch. Yeah, that was a mess. But I, I am challenging Kurt right here on this one 50. No, no, this is one 60, one 60 episode. I am challenging Kurt. Okay, because we're still in September that he needs to like, you know, really focus on this list and just get after it and he's got to do as many of these as he can. I'm I'm going to beat him. So there's no prize. There's no prizes involved. We know how private prizes work between the two of us. So

Kurt Neiswender: 11:47

true. I won't, I won't, I take no offense. No offense. No cap, I think I might've used that, right? I don't know.

Jamie Crawley: 11:55

Maybe, maybe that was fast too. I was like, you didn't even think about it.

Kurt Neiswender: 12:00

I may have had some, some coaching from some students, you know, although I, I think this even skips that generation. Some of these, some of these terms. But that's anyway, so this will be fun. There's some good, good terms. I don't know how to that's the challenge of the day. So we have a week. I'm just, I'm just telling you a little more than, yeah, no, I'm just telling

Jamie Crawley: 12:22

you right now, like, so these are all coming out folks and I'm, I am going to try and also challenge myself and just cause like I'm, I'm doing extra. Like I'm just decided I'm going to do extra. So each one of these is also going to get a musical track. Like, so I'm going to curate a sketch and a musical track with it. And the S and the reason why this sort of like jumped out is number two on there. Do you know the band? Do you know where I'm going? Do you know where I'm going with this?

Kurt Neiswender: 12:53

You,

Jamie Crawley: 12:54

you,

Kurt Neiswender: 12:54

you be

Jamie Crawley: 12:55

40.

Kurt Neiswender: 12:55

There you

Jamie Crawley: 12:56

go.

Kurt Neiswender: 12:57

There you go. That's my boy. Well, so yes. So yes, that, so you have a track for two, for day two, October 2nd. Oh, yeah. But you need, yeah, I, I will have a track for, start with, I'll have a

Jamie Crawley: 13:08

track for all of them, I promise

Kurt Neiswender: 13:09

you. Small, small, small identity. Okay. Some of these. Yeah. Okay, good. Well, anyway,

Jamie Crawley: 13:21

number one might have, might have a Bjork track associated with it, but I'm just saying, so,

Kurt Neiswender: 13:28

okay. Yeah, this'll be fun. All right. Let's just quick, quick pan, quick pan to some to the sketch for the day, which is paired with a photo of the same space is the opposite direction for those that are paying attention. I, although I had to ask, so if you didn't pick up on that, I would not blame you. But so is it some, it's like a courtyard that have facing to facing.

Jamie Crawley: 14:02

Yeah. 2 facing buildings. 2 buildings and. You know, it's sort of bifurcated, sort of cut in half by this sort of courtyard space. This is in Austin, Texas. And I think the, the way to best describe this for folks that I've heard it, and then it, it really resonates in real life this way, is this designed building by a Pritzker Prize winning architect. Alejandro Aravena Chilean Pritzker prize in 2016, which is effectively like the Nobel prize for architecture amazing architect. This is only building in Texas, only building in Austin. We only have one Pritzker prize winning architect with the building in, in Austin as of right now. And this is it. And so this building, think of like a geode. So a rock with a crystalline form on the inside and kind of a hard rock exterior. And that is absolutely the best metaphor for this building. So when I was sharing this with Kurt, you know, earlier is he was remarking about the brick pattern. So the exterior of this brick has a real, real distinctive. Brick pattern and it kind of has a really rough kind of texture. And then on the inside of this geode, kind of the space that you're seeing both in the photo as well as the sketch has a really kind of bright, fun, Geometric pattern, but it's in color and it's extremely bright and then the brick itself also changes, too It becomes sort of smooth as if it's sort of been cleaved and kind of cut to reveal this kind of interesting space in between and so in this particular case with these two images on the screen as we're talking about it on one side is me looking one way doing a sketch and then the other way is me looking the other way, taking a picture of our friend Tyler.

Kurt Neiswender: 16:04

And the, the, the Geode is sort of emphasized by the glass, the curtain walls of glass. Is it, is it red on both sides?

Jamie Crawley: 16:16

Yeah. So same color pattern that you're seeing here in the, in the color photo is this, this is represented the other way as well. So it's red and black and white. Kind of the black sort of a tint to it. Yeah. But it's, it's dormitory space. So, yeah. I was just going to ask

Kurt Neiswender: 16:33

what kind of I was going to ask if it was a science. I know,

Jamie Crawley: 16:38

I know. Wouldn't it be, wouldn't that be awesome? No, it's, earth science

Kurt Neiswender: 16:40

or something. Geology.

Jamie Crawley: 16:42

No, it's, it's a, you know, this is a a smaller university in Austin, St. Edward's University. And kind of in between kind of where I live on the south side of town and sort of downtown, I'm only about seven miles from downtown. But this is, this is kind of in between those two. And so a small kind of liberal arts, you know, college, really. for all intents and purposes. But yeah, this is a dormitory. And so there's also some dining spaces and study spaces and things like that in it as well.

Kurt Neiswender: 17:16

Yeah. I'm just going to cheat and zoom in a bit on the photo with the kind of the, the intersection of the, the rough brick, smooth brick, and then the glass curtain wall. Just cause it, I really liked the roughness of the brick. It's almost like they broke the brick and then. just on one face of the building. And because it just looks like broken pieces, it doesn't even look like a, an orderly pattern. It's just these sort of smashed bricks. Anyway, I like that effect. I've been working on a lot of brick these days and it's kind of fun to see different technique and, and, and methodology you know, with masonry. It's, it's, it's not, how do I put it? I don't want to be. short sighted, but it's maybe around my parts, it's kind of hard to find good masons or masons that are willing to kind of go in, in in a particular direction. And there is, I do, I am working with one that is very open minded. Good communicator. And hopefully I'm going to try and keep pushing my own boundaries with, with brick and masonry.

Jamie Crawley: 18:38

Oh, but I think that that's, that's sort of telling just sort of, of, of all kinds of craft like industries is that, you know, you're going to have people who have the skills to do the work, but then as you say is, you know, as those individuals are, are, are themselves pressed into thinking about something a little differently, you know, within their own realm. You know, are, are they, are they willing to take that leap of logic and, and try something a little bit to get effects like this? And kind of understand that, you know, the way we're going to lay this brick wall on this side is going to be one way, you know, running bond, really straightforward, clean mortar joints. And then on this other we're purposely trying to gain that texture, you know, we're, we're almost looking for that cut brick that, that cleaved kind of face that you're talking about where it looks like it's almost been broken to a, to a certain degree. And, and that. Those two side by side that you see even here. And then with the sort of the Christmas crisp crispness of that. Not Christmas. Not Christmas, crispness. Christmas,

Kurt Neiswender: 19:55

Christmas class.

Jamie Crawley: 19:56

Yes. We need to do like vocal exercises before we do the episodes. So not just a laugh track, we need to do vocal exercises. Note to self. I think we got it. That crisp edge of that metal against that brick. And then sort of that that channel glass kind of in there is, is really, really pretty nice.

Kurt Neiswender: 20:16

Is that channel glass

Jamie Crawley: 20:17

or

Kurt Neiswender: 20:19

is it a curtain wall? It's probably a curtain wall,

Jamie Crawley: 20:22

you know, it may be a combo. Kind of hard to tell. I have been, I have been inside the building, but I haven't been.

Kurt Neiswender: 20:29

So is, is that space The dorm rooms or is it a circulation space? All this glass?

Jamie Crawley: 20:35

Some of them are rooms, some of them are corridor. And so I wonder what

Kurt Neiswender: 20:38

that effect is like in the interior with the red glass. Does it give it a glow?

Jamie Crawley: 20:45

It does. It does. And, and in some, some of the spaces, it's the, the rooms themselves, it's, it's a little kind of funny. I mean, it's they feel a little bit monastic, but, but at the same time, maybe that's just like my, like not remembering that dorm rooms were kind of monastic, you know, before you decorated them. So

Kurt Neiswender: 21:08

they're pretty simple. Yeah.

Jamie Crawley: 21:09

Pretty simple, pretty simple rooms, you know?

Kurt Neiswender: 21:12

Yeah. I like, I mean, I, I'm glad we paired these up. It's fun to, to show sometimes when you grab the image next to the sketch and, you know, obviously there's, There's a clear consistency, say, from the proportion of your hand sketch to the, the angles in the photograph. Vanishing points, perspective, overall framing. You know how some, I mean, as we learn to sketch and as we get better at sketching, I can at least think back to when I was young. And, You try and you have, you, you're, you know, sketching in on site, like you said, you know, in situ as you like to use. And I run out of page before I actually capture the, the, the sort of frame of the sketch because I haven't worked the proportion correctly. Quite right, right. And then it turns into something else, which is fine.

Jamie Crawley: 22:12

Which is fine,

Kurt Neiswender: 22:13

right. And, and, but you're, you're very good at it. And I think as, you know, one gets better at sketching, creating, you know, translating the, the full scale real thing onto a piece of paper that is limited in dimension.

Jamie Crawley: 22:30

Well, we haven't talked about this in a while. It's, it's been a few episodes. I mean, this is a hundred and sixty. But you know, I know that we have, I know that we have talked about it before is I've referred to it a couple of different ways. Sometimes I call it tapping, tapping the page. And so I'll kind of tap different spots on the page. As I'm trying to get what you're talking about in terms of laying out kind of the, the, both the composition, but also getting the scale, right. And trying to say, okay, yeah, that's that spot. That spot is, is right here. So if that spot's right here, the scale that I'm seeing it at and that my eye is sort of understanding the space, then, then, then that wall ends right here. And then it extends to here and that's where that break in, in the shadow line is and, and so forth. And in that, the, the plane of that, yeah. Kind of broken concrete, which you actually see in the sketch. Tyler remarked about those when we were on site, he's like, those are kind of fun, you know, like they actually have one that sort of laying down in this courtyard space and they have another one that sort of can't sit up against the wall that you don't see in this particular sketch, but it's in this same little courtyard. And what his remark was is I'd not thought about this way. Those. Large kind of monolithic concrete pieces that don't seem to have any relationship to the buildings themselves suggest that something has happened in this space that there's something else going to get revealed, you know, when you're kind of in that courtyard from a distance. So, you know, as we kind of approached it. You know, to this kind of open space between these two vantage, you know, vantage points that you're seeing on the screen, these concrete monoliths, one tipped up against the building and one laying on the ground really suggest, Oh, wow, there's maybe there's, there's a gathering point. There's sort of something, this confluence of something in the space design wise. And then you kind of get this, you know, kind of reveal of the red and, and all the wonderful glass space. But that tapping, the reason why I bring it up is. I haven't heard anybody. else describe it as tapping per se. I, I know that that isn't me originating it, you know, I, I probably had a teacher or somebody else, you know, kind of use that term with me, but literally in the last month I was watching an Instagram reel from another artist that, that I, I liked because of the way they were kind of explaining how they draw. And I, I, I find their, their explanations really, really good kind of mechanically about the process, but they use the word tapping. And so it's, I think it's maybe something more universal than I even recognized myself. But definitely it's, it's a way to kind of, kind of gauge your work on your own page, whatever, whatever size tablet you're working on.

Kurt Neiswender: 25:28

Well, that's cool. I've never actually heard that. Well, you, you've might've brought it up before, but I've not heard it too often. I like that. It's something, it's always good. Even for me, I don't, definitely don't sketch as much as you do, but I, you will be in October. October. Yeah, I need to get my ark and inktober warm up going. And so I will be tapping the page to, to, I kind of sort of visualize it as like you're kind of probing or scanning the surface, kind of like how my 3d printer sort of understands its boundaries. Same thing, right? It just, it's kind of, kind of interesting similarities that way. That's going to be your hand. I. Sort of brain, brain right there. Beep, bop, boop, boop, bop. And so anyway, really good, really fun sketch, a building I'm not even familiar with, I'm, I'm a big fan of Aravena's work. Primarily it, I mean, in a nutshell, you know, he's, he, he, I think he won the Pritzker, well, I wouldn't say primarily, but predominantly on his social housing work because he's been very outspoken about you know, Housing availability and affordability, especially in his part of the world in South America. And but then, on the other hand, he does custom projects like these, you know, single 1 off projects that are not a lot of his housing projects are somewhat modular or repeatable for, for cost purposes. But he does, does a little bit of both and I wouldn't necessarily say he kind of is like Robin hood, you know, where he gets these nice commissions and then he offsets, like, the, the social housing work with, like, the, the higher end commissions. But, you know, maybe that isn't in his business model. But I, I guess I'm speculating without, without knowing for sure, but at least it's nice to see the. The range in the portfolio, though, right? To have things on both ends of the it's not even really a spectrum, right? Because I don't want to say that affordable housing is meant to be low cost or less than, but it's like 2 totally different avenues of practice.

Jamie Crawley: 27:58

Well, it's sort of the flip is that it's that. You know architectures for everyone, you know, that there isn't a spectrum. It's just more of a, you know an opportunity to, to bring architecture to everyone at all scales. And that all projects get the same attention, bigger, smaller, high quality, you know you know, and it high quality doesn't necessarily need to equate to high dollar. Right. And so I think that that's something that. You know, even in this even in this particular case, this is a dorm room. You know, these are dorms so there's an affordability to, you know, you know, the budget of these buildings. Yes, it's a private university, but I think that the Even in that, there's you know, good design that could be had, you know, with certain design decisions. And, and this is certainly a very, very different building than others that are on campus. Just, just like many universities that folks might be familiar with or or campus like environments, whether it's a healthcare provider or, or something else, oftentimes they have a palette of materials. So in this particular case, that university has a, a particular brick that they like. And so, and so in this particular case, this building utilizes that brick. But as you were saying, you know, kind of coming full circle here, he shows them how that brick can do a lot of different things all in the same building. And I think that that, you know, that's where the power of design and architecture really comes into play. And and I think, you know, your admiration for his work, you know, is, is, is entirely justified for sure.

Kurt Neiswender: 29:39

Yeah. And, and we should say, as we, as we kind of wrap, wrap this up here, the This, this building actually predates his Pritzker by a little bit maybe eight, six, eight years. So, yeah, I guess, you know, you could give credit to the the university for finding, finding him before he made his Pritzker. But Yeah, you're right. So that's interesting. One, you know, you got, I got to add the one more thing, but yeah, I know a lot of universities have a palette. You know, USC likes their particular brick blend. Some schools probably even have their own custom blend of, of brick and things like that. So interestingly, I did, I just, when you pointed that out, it's just kind of find it interesting that a small school like that small liberal arts private school. Actually did have a palette, you know, usually the smaller schools, you know, like where I teach Lawrence Tech. There's not There's I don't think there's a language, you know that they're trying to they just kind of have

Jamie Crawley: 30:46

now who's throwing shade You know, come on give them give them a little credit. They may they probably have a palette somewhere It's just maybe you know thinner well thinner palette.

Kurt Neiswender: 30:56

I mean, it's not not a bad thing I think it's kind of nice to have If you don't, I mean, like, certain campuses are very monochromatic, right? Because you have all of the same materiality. And to me, it sometimes can be too overwhelming, having a little Diversity in or a little more broader range, but anyway, you're

Jamie Crawley: 31:24

saying that you're eclectic why expect I will say to close it out here. I expect some eclecticism with the sketches and and and and the challenge for the musical selections. If you even go that route. So I'm not going to say that you have to do all music for all of yours, but you know, the gauntlet has been tossed down on the ground. And, and Kurt has accepted the challenge that he's going to do 31 sketches for the month of October. You heard it here.

Kurt Neiswender: 31:55

Not 32. 31.

Jamie Crawley: 31:58

31.

Kurt Neiswender: 31:59

Yeah, thanks for the challenge. It'll be bragging rights as we, as we get going. All right. Good sketch. Thanks, buddy. Thanks.