Coffee Sketch Podcast
Coffee Sketch Podcast
162 - Archinktober Recap Eric Wittman Returns!
Sketching Secrets and Hidden Themes: Archingtober Recap
In this engaging episode, the hosts welcome back Eric Wittman to recap the Archingtober challenge. They discuss their experiences, struggles, and strategies behind completing 31 sketches in October, revealing a hidden theme tied to Chapel Rhoan's album, 'The Rise and Fall of a Midwest Princess.' Along the way, they share stories behind their sketches, few insights on Kansas-Canada connections, and talk about the fun of keeping up with creative routines.
00:00 Welcome Back, Eric!
00:33 Recapping Archingtober
02:04 Sketching Challenges and Reflections
03:51 Coffee Talk
06:07 Sports Anecdotes and Cultural Connections
14:02 Diving into the Sketches
34:07 Discussing Challenging Prompts
34:45 The Synanthrope Sketches
36:29 Jamie's Humane Society Project
43:26 Accretions and Vocabulary Challenges
51:19 Delineations and Designations
58:46 Final Guesses and Wrap-Up
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Who goes first? I was gonna say, welcome back, Eric!
Kurt Neiswender:That's welcome. Thanks for having me
Eric:back, guys.
Kurt Neiswender:Again, I wish, you know, one of those things with special guests like Eric is I wish we had, you know, the air horn, the confetti, you know.
Jamie:When you did the thing with your arm. I don't have those. I thought it was the guy, like, at the car dealership. The inflatable dude. The wacky thing.
Kurt Neiswender:The Wacky Movie. I like to do that every once in a while. So let's see. We've had a fun little warm up chat, but we have Eric back, Eric Wittman from Arcingtober, and many, and many things. A few things. A few episodes ago, we had him on before the month of October, right at the beginning of the month of October, to celebrate the start of Arcingtober, and now we promised And are delivering his return visit to recap all that has happened across the month of our King tober. And I will say, thank you, Jamie for coordinating the, the, the schedules and and now we're here. Right? So we, we've done it. I, I, I like to applaud pat ourselves on the back. When we succeed in a concept, it's like we should do in architecture. Right. It's
Jamie:almost like we should do this every year, which Arcingtober is so probably yourself invited. You know, 10 months from now or 10, 12 months from now. So let's do it in
Eric:October. Yeah, let's do
Jamie:it in October. Yeah, that's a good inside joke. That's a good one. Yeah, let's just do it in October. It seems like a good month.
Eric:Yeah, no, it is a lot of, it was a lot of fun this, this month with getting to know you guys better and, and watching your sketching and, and knowing The process behind it. It was a lot of fun.
Kurt Neiswender:Yeah, we'll say before we get into the, the, the imagery that we've all produced. And I, I feel like we should, it's probably going to blow my brain up if I tried to pull in some of the other, but we can maybe try and figure it out because it wasn't just us 3 sketching. There was plenty of people sketching. We do have a lot of the sketches to show of us today, but I'm gonna while we're talking, or you guys are talking, I'll try and sneak away and, like, grab some other images from the month because it was great to see the range and the diversity and the reaction from the prompts. But also I will say I feel a little tiny bit of my, from my perspective, the bit after this is the aftermath, right? A little imposter syndrome for attempting all the sketches in GravitySketch. Cause, I don't know. As I was producing these sketches in VR, I would think a couple of every once in a while, not every time, because it was hard. It was actually difficult in certain regards, but sometimes I sort of felt a little bit like, you know, because I wasn't using pen to paper, right? So that kind of crossed my mind a few times. And I thought, I'm going to stick with it because I said so. But that, that aspect, I kind of missed it, right? Cause I was seeing the other sketches that everybody was producing. In, you know, physical analog sketching. And I kind of missed, I kind of missed it. So, so that's, that's my first little anecdote of, of the experience in the challenge that I produced for myself, but that's, so, you know, we'll get into some of that with the sketches. Well, and,
Jamie:and, and I will say too, is you know, Eric, are you drinking the coffee sketch podcast? Coffee. Have you tried it? I haven't. I haven't opened it yet. You haven't opened it yet. You smelled the bag though. Did you do this? Yes. Okay.
Eric:Only only because I have this thing, you know, once I like to go through a whole bag, I don't like. Yeah, I can. I can appreciate that. So I'm working my way through. So that means it to get you guys the dark one, I'm normally, I'll say like my, the one I want for second, but you guys said that dark roast that I'm cracking open first. Okay, fair enough. Yes.
Kurt Neiswender:I, well, I keyed in on that because you mentioned how you like a good dark roast in the last episode with us and, and being, you know, rootless hosts, our brand of coffee. So make. A really good dark with a great label. And I had to grab one and throw it in the, in the, the box to deliver with not, it's one of those things you just can't not do. So, yeah,
Jamie:I mean, it was also, it's the month it's it's October. So, you know, I mean, you know, It's Halloween. It's, you know, that dark roast, you know, it's like, yeah, it's off the page.
Eric:So, yeah, very excited. Great branding. Great, great label. The taste is the last thing I'm. I got to figure out on it. So I'm excited.
Kurt Neiswender:Well, you'll, I'm sure you'll let us know. Yeah, definitely. Well,
Jamie:and, and, and I got, I got my care package from Mr. Kurt. So so I, I have like you, like you, I mean, like you open up that and you got to work your way through that bag. So I'm currently working myself through my, my, my one bag that I'm giving to myself as a gift after getting my. care package. And then we distribute from there. But yes I needed it. I needed it because there was a whole lot of other things that I kept like trying rando brands of coffee. And I just, I don't know. I, I was, I was in a funk. I'm going to just say it. I was in a funk, I was in a funk sketching and Arking Tober brought me out of that. Thank you. And then I, I admit I was also in a coffee funk too. I was just, it was like poor decision making like I'm in the store or I'm at the, you know, I'm at a coffee house and I'm like, Oh, I'll try that garbage, hot garbage. You know, like I'm picking all the wrong ones, like just not. You know, Oh, that sounds interesting. No, I've been there.
Kurt Neiswender:I've been there. Don't beat yourself up. A coffee
Eric:slump.
Jamie:Yeah, I was in a coffee slump. Thank you. Yeah, I think, you know so I, I needed this. I needed this month and then I needed, I needed my care package. You
Kurt Neiswender:know, for the sports analogy, right? The baseball players, if they're in the slump. It's got to do extra batting practice.
Jamie:No, you just switch. Like, that's what I, that's what I did. I learned that I was, I could bat left handed.
Kurt Neiswender:Switch it? Oh, okay. Well, then, there you go.
Jamie:Like, yeah, I was batting righty. And
Kurt Neiswender:I wish, I wish at like 12 or 10 I understood statistics. Because I was watching something where they were talking about how left handed batters against right handed pitchers, so much better odds at hitting the ball, but at 10, who's paying attention to that, right? Yeah. But Jamie over here, it's obviously he's, he's my dad. I'll just, I'll just, dad was like,
Jamie:dad's like, well, he is left handed. So. He like told, he told the coach, he was like, my dad was like the assistant, you know, and very quiet dad. Doesn't, you know, kind of, you know, he's like, he's just there. He's helping out, you know, he
Eric:can, he
Jamie:probably had really strong opinions, but he wasn't letting them be known until like I'm in a slump. And then he's like, tells the coach. He's like, well, you know, he's left handed and he's like. But he, he, he's our pitcher. Like he pitches like with his right hand and I'm like, yeah, well, you know, I pitched my right hand, so,
Kurt Neiswender:yeah, but that's not the first, anyway, we don't have to go into the, no, no, but yeah, that's, that's
Jamie:see Eric didn't get to experience the subreddit like of, of the podcast. It shows up every once in a while as a blip, like once, once a season. Yeah. Sports creeps, creeps, creeps, creeps. And we, we start talking about baseball or something. I don't know. I don't know why it's baseball, but Jamie,
Kurt Neiswender:Jamie tries to talk about soccer and he, he hears crickets. More often than not. I mean, I'm not anti soccer, but I just don't know enough. My Ted Lasso knowledge only can go so far.
Eric:Yeah, I didn't. I didn't. I think it's 1 of those things. I didn't grow up with soccer. So I grew up with baseball. And so a lot of my good friends played soccer. They watch soccer. 1 bachelor party weekend. We went to was the World Cup back probably 8 years ago. So we just watched World Cup, you know, for like three days straight. And it, it grew my interest a little bit, but I I'm still a baseball guy.
Kurt Neiswender:It is, it is infectious. Mm-Hmm. Because, you know,
Jamie:yeah. Now Kurt goes to like lower division, like Kurt's, like he's, he's playing you. Like, he goes, he goes to lower division soccer. I'm matches now. Mm-Hmm. Flint. Flint. A team. Flint
Kurt Neiswender:Bucks. Flint
Jamie:City Bucks.
Kurt Neiswender:So, you know, and they're actually pretty good. Yeah. We almost, we have a team coming. Yeah. Jamie's next year.
Eric:Oh yeah. Who do you got? The, the Portland hearts, hearts of pine. Oh, there you go. I'm not sure what, I'm not sure what league they are, but the hearts of pine there, they're starting up next year.
Jamie:I love it. I love it. There is a, there's a place I'm hoping to go to over the holidays because it's near my folks. It's a a soccer shop in one of my main street cities. And it's totally like one of those passion projects. Like, you know, we call them hobbyist businesses, you know? But it's like, I've, I told Jason, other friend of the podcast about this, this, this store in, in McKinney. And he's like, is that our retirement plan? And I'm like, maybe, you know, maybe the, so these guys have this soccer shop where they basically get all kinds of vintage jerseys and, and then rando lower division soccer jerseys. From like all over the U S and then they sell them and then they send money back to the clubs if it's, if it's a local club. So then part of the profit goes back to the club. Cause it's again, hobby business. And then. And then if there is soccer matches on the telly, they will put them on in the store and then just drink beer and like watch soccer and maybe sell stuff. It just sounds amazing. Great return. And, and, and thank you guys for letting me like tell you my, my return. Yeah, I think
Kurt Neiswender:we dreamed up a bunch of that in college. So I forgot to mention Jamie, sorry, Eric, the Josh, who, who's in the chat, he's, he's got that in common with you. He is a Canadian, my student that has been in the chat. Oh, okay. He's, he's, he's Canadian, of
Jamie:Canadian origin. We weren't talking about Canada, but yes, per se, per se, per se. You know, the shout
Kurt Neiswender:out
Jamie:because, yeah, is this, is this one of those things like, Do all Canadians know another Canadians in the room? Is that one of the kind of things like we just know? I just
Kurt Neiswender:like my Canadian, all my Canadian friends are
Jamie:good people. You're gonna have to ask Josh offline. I'm gonna mention it right now and he can tell you like if his family does this to him. So there's a thing amongst Canadians that like, we basically try and point out people who are Canadian, like in, in, in the public consciousness. So it's like, you know, like, if it's an actor or a musician, typically, that's usually those subjects. And so it's like, you know, you don't necessarily know they're not, they're not showing as Canadian, you know they might, they might be a little apologetic, you know, kind of a little bit demure. And but you know, maybe, you know, they might have some maple syrup just sort of dangling on their chin kind of thing. But yeah you know, we, we, we, we generally try and point out to folks sort of usually as an aside because we want to be polite about it, you know, you know, they're Canadian. So we'll
Kurt Neiswender:find out either in class tomorrow morning or on Friday afternoon. We'll see.
Jamie:This was like the story of me growing up in the States. Mom would be like, well, you know, they're Canadian. It's like, okay, mom didn't know that, but sure.
Kurt Neiswender:I think it's a cultural connection. I mean, I'm half Guatemalan, right? My Guatemalan mother would often call out if she encountered another Central American or, you know, somewhere near, you know, within the vicinity of Guatemala. So, yeah, I think it's a, it's a sense of connection. It's a
Jamie:mom thing, man. Yeah.
Kurt Neiswender:Well, probably. Okay. All right. Well, well, to be determined. Well, it's the the pseudoscience of the Coffee Sketch podcast. Yeah. So aside from occasional sports sports anecdote and, and stat stats and statistics, we tend to get into pseudo Pseudo sociological
Jamie:cultural phenomena. Yeah. How's that for it? That's good. I think that's good. Like we try and be expertise, give the expertise on the coffee and the sketching, maybe architecture history ish. And then pseudoscience, like definitely pseudoscience. We should
Kurt Neiswender:probably, we should probably move into the sketches though. Huh? Is that a, is that a good segue? Were you going to say something that I, we totally cut you?
Eric:Oh, only I was going to try to combine soccer and sketching a little bit that like, I am jealous of the mascots and scarves and uniforms and like, The extra stuff that soccer fans have,
Kurt Neiswender:yeah,
Eric:much better than baseball or football, like the design logos, like even the names of the teams. You guys got it. Soccer soccer has it.
Jamie:Yeah. Oh, I mean, in the vocabulary. I mean, it's like, it's, you know, yes. Oh, yeah. Definitely. I mean, it's, I mean, for, for the artsy among us, you know, it's definitely like, if you do like the sports, you know, and the, and the art stuff, like they're, they're like, it's a Venn diagram, like, like, like soccer's in there, like, you know, good stuff. The
Kurt Neiswender:confluence of all things good.
Jamie:And definitely can spend some money on a good kit. So I
Kurt Neiswender:got to, I'm going to flash, flash the, so I got to lose the, change the screen. Bear with me. All right. We get it working.
Jamie:Yes.
Kurt Neiswender:That's really cool. Yeah. So, so yeah, this is, this is pushing the brink of Kurt's technical capabilities on on a live stream. But yeah, so on the left and that, like I said, so on the left is Eric's, Some of Eric's and I can scroll and hopefully that'll transition. And then in the middle is mine. No, no no preference made. And then on the right is Jamie. And so, you know as a, as a good Instagram feed is there's some, some, some intermittent. Between the sketches, but we do have a good cluster of sketches here, so I don't know. So now that we have it all on screen, I don't know how you guys want to tackle the conversation.
Jamie:Well, I was going to say, I mean, to begin with, I'm going to let the instigator, like lead us on this little journey, but I do have one question for Kurt, because I know Eric is wondering this about both of us. Did we figure it out? Oh,
Kurt Neiswender:right. Yeah. I definitely wanted to not miss that.
Jamie:And for a recap, so Eric, can you explain Like last, you know, last year, just for, just for the audience to say last year's discussion. And then sort of, if, if folks have listened to part 1 of this sort of 2 parter they will kind of know about it a little bit. But if you could just sort of talk a little bit about, like, last year's development of the theme. And sort of our bantering about it and how close you thought we were getting, which we did, we were, we were getting close. But yeah, can you, can you just talk a little bit about that before we start diving into this one?
Eric:Yeah. So really quickly this is year seven for Archinktober and through the, through the years to have fun, mostly for me, I would hide themes in it. And it, and it started, started small with. Rock, paper, scissors was the first three. And then yeah, then I play little games like having to go to people's Instagram feed to draw. different things that they found on feeds. And then what really changed was last year, I had the hidden theme of the back to the future trilogy. And so I just went through the words and went through the whole trilogy and just picked out little prompt words like the clock tower, you know 1980s, 1950s Western, you know, all stuff here and there. Just to see if anybody would pick up on it. And last year you all were very close. You you know, you talked about back to the future, you drew Delorean, I believe, but you never really said it was the hidden theme, but it was very fun to see what branched off of that. So, for year 7, I did the same thing, and I used some very collegiate words that a professor friend had given me, which were really nice. They were from the 99 percent Invisible book, the subchapters. Very nice, you know, words that I felt like people could expand upon and draw on. And then I balanced that with the top 10 Gen Z words that Gen Zers use, like chuggy drip riz no cap goat. And so that was kind of fun. But I did have a third theme in there that I kept hidden because I wanted, once again, I wanted to see if you guys could find it. And I've been dying to know if you found it or if, you know, If Kurt's students discovered it, or if anybody told you what it was, because to me it was very, very obvious, but
Kurt Neiswender:I don't know if
Eric:you thought
Kurt Neiswender:let's
Eric:see, Jamie, Jamie kind of had a, you had kind of a gen X millennial soundtrack to your sketches.
Jamie:Yes. Yeah, so go ahead.
Eric:Which is close. It is music related.
Jamie:Okay. Oh, oh, I, well, so I, I think I have it, but I'm not sure.
Kurt Neiswender:Okay. Well, I definitely probably don't have it, so you want me to guess first? Well, no, because
Jamie:I, I, I thought it, I thought it was music related and there was even some musical selections that I could have gone even more contemporary. And, and because I was thinking about some things, but then I was like no, no, no, no, like, like my first impulse was like, was like, you know, where I was and where my head was at when I was doing, because as I've shared with folks, the whole prompt thing and working from a prompt, someone else's prompt, there are days where it just, it's sharp. Like you're on it. And then there are days where I struggle. And, and so there's, there's one or two of those instances where like, I'm a, I'm a day off. And so I'll do two, two in one day to kind of catch myself up. Definitely did all 31. But yeah, this year was definitely unique in the, in the sense that I did add a soundtrack to go along with the sketch in some form or fashion. Just as an extra challenge to myself, since Kurt was challenging himself with some extra things, I figured I gotta, I gotta put some burden on, on me as well. But I'll just leave it there and like maybe let Kurt sort of walk through his. guessing and process. Sure.
Kurt Neiswender:Yeah. Well, I guess I, I was trying to think about the, the hidden theme and I, I, now that you kind of hinted at some of the things I'm, I feel like I'm off base. Cause I, I was, I was kind of trying to key in on the the, the, the, the Gen Z terms, the, the sort of the asterisk ones, the funny ones, like, like chuggy, it's a vibe mid. So my guess was going to be that. If you isolate those words, starting from small to riz, they tended to get more positive from, from the beginning to the end of the month, like they were like, instead of trying to sound like they were you know, like disses or negative, negative words, that they were kind of like building to something better. So that was going to be my guess. And I was just trying to key in on those. Those words, not the, the, the whole set of words. So I feel now that you've hinted at, at that, I feel like I missed, I missed, no,
Eric:you're actually, that's, you're about half of it too. Well, that's the fun
Kurt Neiswender:part about that. That's what makes this even more fun. As a, as a series of prompts is the puzzle. I
Eric:would say music is half of it in the Gen Z Five is half of a two. So you guys both have it. You guys are skirting around it. So which is awesome
Kurt Neiswender:Well, that's what that's made it definitely made it fun for me And so I don't know Jamie you have any more guesses to the now that I put that piece to the puzzle.
Jamie:So Also knowing that you're from Kansas. Does that have anything to do with it? Kind of the Midwest.
Eric:Yes. Yes. In an odd, in an odd way. Yes.
Jamie:Hopefully. Okay. So should we talk about the sketches and then maybe come back to it? Maybe at the end we'll like do a final wrap up. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Eric:And can I, can I just add that like, it was so much fun this year. I, I felt more pushed than I ever had before, knowing that you guys were like. Out there sketching and like this was the most stressed I've ever been during I would open up in the morning. I was like, ah, damn it. Kurt got one up. I'm like, ah, shit. Jamie's got one up. And so like, it was the, I've, I've never finished 31 on time. I'm usually like November 2nd, November 3rd, but I would, I tried my hardest to stay on track. And there was one, one Saturday I did four and posted to kind of get back on track. But it was, yeah, you were, you were, I was
Kurt Neiswender:like that too. Yeah. You
Jamie:were on fire. I mean, you, you definitely were on fire. I, I, I could, I could, I could see that, you know, and, and, and, and that's the thing is, I mean, I've, I've joked about it with, you know, how some of the coffee sketch kind of concept even started before we had a podcast. And it was, you know, it was that sort of opportunity to have somebody who was expecting a sketch from me, you know, every morning. You know, to kind of, you know, that check in and, you know, I, I'll, I'll share this just kind of quickly is that so earlier this week I was in or I guess end of last week, I was in college station and got to, got to see one of my mentors and he's retired now and went over and visited him at his house. And he just was like everything, everything okay. You haven't, you haven't posted any sketches in, in a couple of days. And so it was like, you know, it was, you know, I don't expect everybody always to kind of react or sort of, you know, like, or, you know, but to know, and, and others have sort of said that to me. You know, over the years is that they always appreciate the opportunity to kind of see the sketches pop up. They don't always react to them. But they, it helps them think about things or it inspires them to do it too. And you know, I guess just sort of knowing that folks are enjoying it has always been sort of fun for me. Kind of an added bonus. I mean, I do it totally for myself. End of the day, I'm doing it for me. But knowing that other folks enjoy it has always been kind of extra special.
Eric:Yeah. And I think you started off Kurt by saying like you felt that it wasn't, you felt like imposter syndrome, like a little bit by using pen. I feel the opposite. Like I loved seeing what it was just, it was something so different. It was something new, something fresh. It was, I never knew what to expect. Color, you know, color wise and like form wise, like, It was very cool that you were kind of all across the board. And it's almost like a, to compare it to Jamie's. I like Jamie's because Jamie's is like, you see the book, you see the pen. Like, there's no, it's a true sketchbook. This is what he's created. Like mine, I Photoshop, you know, I white balance and contrast the crap out of it to kind of create this image, this black and white image. So kind of my pencil markings go away a little bit. So I felt like I was in the middle of you two where Jamie has like this book, pencil, coffee. It's very true and very honest. And then yours is like all digital and all in some of the Rome. So I liked those two things. I liked opening up the Instagram and seeing those two different things. So don't add, I don't want you to feel like an imposter. Cause it was really cool to see what you came up with in a completely new form.
Kurt Neiswender:Oh, well, thanks. Yeah, it was. It wasn't like I was saying, I forget if we were chatting about it in the intro or in the pre show. But some days it felt like I, like, Jamie was just saying, like, it, it kind of synced up pretty well with some of the technology and I could kind of execute something. And, and the fact that it was three dimensional in, in VR, I think added that extra layer of detail that could be. Embedded into the concept. And then there was some days. Yeah, for sure. That sort of like a little bottleneck occurred. And then, like, like you, Eric, I had probably a couple of moments because there was some travel mixed in the month of October that I had to catch up and, and, and to, for, for full disclosure for all those listening, I didn't quite make all 31. I got real close. And, and much closer than many years in the past. So, so I'm still going to pat myself on the back, but yeah,
Jamie:and, and, and, and I will say I only poked the bear once. You know, like
Kurt Neiswender:the nudge. Yeah, there was only like one
Jamie:sort of gentle nudge. Like, come on, don't give up now. You know,
Kurt Neiswender:it helped. I appreciated that. It helped get keep kick the the, the activity in the gear. But yeah. And then, and then flipping kind of trying to flip in this 4th page, which this is the trying to follow the hashtag. That of arcing tober 2024 to try and weave in some of the other sketches, like I mentioned,
Eric:because
Kurt Neiswender:now, now we're, this is, well, partly to help maybe solve the puzzle, like we're trying to fold in all the concepts so we can try and capture capture, capture the essence, but also just to see some of the various examples from other people and their other technique and, and impressions of the prompts and things. And so it's, it's just so much fun to I'm glad we, we, it's probably been too long that, that Jamie and I have not had you on before, but now I'm glad to have gotten you on here and kind of do this level of recap because it's just fun. And I know you've been listening to the podcast, For a long time, and, and Jamie and I have talked about in the past year, you know, I've been trying to weave in some sketching activity with my students to, you know, loosen up and, and sort of, you know, change their mindset a little bit, especially if it's early in the morning. And it, it is fun, you know, to, to see the, the variety as I'm scrolling through this, to, to just, to just know that, you know, it's, it's, it's just about the activity that the action and, you know, you know, regardless of, of outcome or an attempt at a technique, you know, the, the act of sketching and using your hand or. Or body, I guess
Jamie:in my case. Well, and I don't know, Kurt, if you've noticed or not and Eric, I don't know if you know him, but if not, you need to start following him. So around the time that. The three of us really were sort of pushing the whole Arcingtober this year and then really being really diligent about it. And, and then, you know, all trying to add the soundtracks and the likes and the support and, you know, kind of lifting each other up and all that good stuff, you know, amidst all the other folks that were sketching. What's interesting to me is I also noticed this other gentleman started sketching every day and he's been sketching every day. Like, and he's like, Admittedly, like I admire his sketches and his style, because it's one that I would have trouble replicating, which to me, you know, is like, I'm a mimic. I love, I love to try and mimics, you know, we talked about the last time, you know, Eric and I, you know, sort of finding those styles and sort of, you know, getting at it. So Peter Exley for Mr. Fun architect is, is sketching every day. And he is also. Adding a soundtrack to every one of his sketches and some of the sketches in the sketchbook and he does the whole, a very small sketchbook like I do some of them, he's also seems to be kind of curating sort of a collection of things sort of his curiosities and he has, he has a connection to, you know Denise Scott Brown and Robert Venturi and And so the early parts of the, the series that he was doing were really related to, to them and kind of the work of that studio a little bit. And now it's sort of branched out into other things. But I just, I just, as you were talking about sort of lifting up kind of the other voices and sort of scrolling through other folks sketches and things. I just thought I would mention that because it's something I noticed. I don't think. I don't think he's particularly aware, maybe, of the whole nuance of Archinktober as a thing. He'd probably love it. But I just noticed that he was sort of being as prolific and, and daily as sort of what we've been doing. And, and, and I've, I've enjoyed his stuff kind of coming out of late as
Kurt Neiswender:well. Well, that is cool. And yeah, I mean, past AI national president and somewhat of a acquaintance of ours and in passing and all this. Various events and things like that. And yeah, it's, it reminds me too, of like I mean, kind of, kind of why we started this whole podcast, right. It's just the, the act of it all. Right. And, and just having some fun, some fun with it. So yeah, good reminder. Yeah.
Eric:Yeah. I found him during this month, during the month of October. I'm not sure if you reposted him or what, but I've enjoyed his sketches. The, do you see the picture of the. that's, that's one of my friends in Wichita and he, yeah, ICT sketcher ICT is an airport code for Wichita. So if you ever see ICT, it's, so he's Wichita sketcher. He just has this great, like scribbly, like nonchalant style about him that I've always enjoyed Matt's, Matt's sketches. And he, he usually pops in and does like, during the month, but he's, he's sent me a few words in the past as well.
Kurt Neiswender:Oh, that's cool. Yeah. I do like those, those two.
Jamie:It almost looks like William, William Burroughs.
Kurt Neiswender:Oh, you want to go back to this one?
Jamie:No, just, I don't think that's what he was drawing, but I'm just saying that, that's, you know, and maybe just, you know, Kansas, you know, well, he did the UB
Kurt Neiswender:42 quite the quite literal red, red wine. You guys still there? Yeah. Yes. Okay. I can't see your faces. So. I'm trying to try and double duty over here. So just making sure you're still with me.
Jamie:So, so Eric, what was, what was in, you know, as the instigator, the fire starter, did you like that? The prodigy? So what was, what was the most challenging? So since I've talked about my challenges with prom, what was the most challenging prompt that you gave yourself?
Eric:Oh yeah.
Jamie:And maybe we could pull up all three of ours for that one.
Eric:One, let's see here. I was going to ask you, kind of along those lines, if I have a hard time looking at some of my sketches because I know some of them are just crap drawings that I, like, I was like, I just gotta get this, I gotta get this prompt out of my mind. Right. Like, it's just some crap, I had a hard time with, I got stuck on Oh, yeah, it should have been that hard. Sinithropes. Sinithropes. Oh. And so, like, I drew a seagull eating trash. And I hate that sketch. I really do. It's not composed right. It's just, it doesn't make any sense. So, that, but that, I was stuck on that one for a while, and I didn't like that word at all. And I don't like the sketch. And yeah. Let's see if I had any others,
Kurt Neiswender:Jamie, which, which one was your version of that? I'm
Eric:trying to remember which one was my synthrop.
Kurt Neiswender:What day was it? I think day 22. So it's later.
Jamie:Yeah.
Kurt Neiswender:21. Oh,
Jamie:I know which one it was. Yeah. It's, it's that, the one. Yeah. That one.
Kurt Neiswender:Okay, so here's all three. Yep.
Eric:Is that all the same word? Yep.
Kurt Neiswender:Yep. Mm. Although I kind of like, I kind of like the seagull. Yeah. I thought it was kind of, so this, so the definite, I had to look this up. So a syn roope is something that is a friend, friend to human right. Friendly to humankind or manifest Yeah. Like a creature that,
Eric:like a creature that. It does well among humans,
Kurt Neiswender:right? Yeah. Which, you know, hey, the goal, it kind of like a, I think it's a good commentary on the environment and, and man's impact on environment. So maybe it's a little bit more on the environmentalist or political side of things. And I, I might've taken it quite literal. And just, you're a beagle scribbled. Yeah. Well, I have a beagle,
Jamie:I know
Kurt Neiswender:I kind of got the Snoopy vibe. I was trying to get the Snoopy vibe going and you know, then I threw in, I snuck in the little red leash for old pop of color, but so, but Jamie's is. So how, how did your interpretation of Humane Society in Austin?
Jamie:Yeah. You know, you know, there's going to be a story with it. And actually this one, I did one of my double photos. So there's actually two images on this one. But yeah, so the sketch is I did a pro bono project for the Austin Humane Society. And it's like one of my, still one of my favorite projects I ever did. And it was literally a cat house. So it was, it was for pet adoption. And the sort of the, the uniqueness of it was just that you know, it was one of those projects where the people that, you know, you're, you're going to help, you know you know, had a need. It had nothing to do with the cats. That was the whole thing. It's like the, the pro bono aspect of it was one of the partners in the firm that I was at had gone to like an auction or like something like that. And, you know, it was sitting there talking, you know, it was, it was, you know, an auction. Art auction for the Humane Society and, you know, make a long story short, they're hearing sort of the woes, you know, of course, you hear the term architect someone. Oh, well, you're an architect. Oh, and so they start hearing the woes of their building and the partner comes back to the office the next morning. And says, you know, I think we should maybe donate some time to the humane society because they, you know, they need, they need some work on their building. Maybe we can connect them with a contractor. Maybe we can, you know, maybe we can help them get, you know, better air conditioning and some better lighting. And it was all like all the, all the mundane things, you know, necessary, but all the kind of mundane design and architecture things. And so You know, at that, and then as he's describing, we're all kind of like, you know, it's early in the morning. We're all calling her party. You know, you met somebody great, whatever. And then at the end, he goes, any, any volunteers, anybody want to do it? And kind of like, I scanned the room quick. No one raises their hand. And so I just raised my hand. I'm like, ah, You know, why not, you know, I've got, I've got pets, you know, and you know, it'd be an excuse to, you know, have a different conversation and whatever, and the boss doesn't care. So cool. And so I go and meet with them. And as we're talking about sort of the, the technical aspects, I kind of look over to this, you know, series of rooms up at the front storefront, literally the front of their building. And it's like, like, looks like a bad storage room, like with all glass and I was like, what's the story over here? Like what's going on? And they're like, Oh, for a while when we had the pet adoptions, we decided we were going to have a store so that people when they got their new pet, they needed stuff. So they would go over to the store and they would get supplies to kind of take home with them for their brand new pet. And it just never worked out. Like we never had enough volunteers. We never had enough supplies. We really shouldn't be a pet store. You know, we should do what I was like. Yes, all these, you know, you're thinking, yeah, all this makes sense. And so the room ends up being sort of this junk room at the front of their literally at the front of their building, like the whole front. Facade is, you know, major panes of glass and then junk room. And so I was like, ah, have you ever thought about turning that into maybe like an adoption area? So, you know, you can see the animals up front, maybe some of them could live up there, you know, and kind of, you know, sort of sell the product, you know, so to speak. And, and they're like, well, what do you mean? And I was like, well, what if the cats lived up there? You know, cause you know, if they're healthy, they probably love it, you know? And they're like, that's an amazing idea. No, one's ever thought of that. And I was like, well, can I draw it and design it? And we can maybe do it as all part of this project, if I can make it the budget work and they're like, would you do that? And I'm like, sure. You know, and of course I, I am totally pulling stuff out of my ass, you know, at this point, but at the same time, it's like all this stuff is like, it's all, you know, gelling in my mind. Like, this is the way this project really should be. And, you know, it's going to help them even bigger in the end, especially if we're going to, you know, leverage contacts with contractors and suppliers and this and that to make this project work for them on just the technical side. And sure enough, you know, they, they loved the concept that even one of their donors. Love the concept and put a little bit extra money behind it. And so, yeah, it turned into this amazing adoption room for these animals right at the front of their space. And yeah, so. And of course I set, you know, porno for Pyro's pets as, as the soundtrack for this one. So, you know,
Kurt Neiswender:Oh, that's actually really good. It's kind of funny. Cause then who's the pet, is it the human or the cat?
Jamie:Well, and if you listen to the song, it's really about the aliens coming and, and, and viewing us as the pets. So, you know, you know yes. Yeah. Jane's addiction side project, you know. You know, definitely a side project project. Did we
Kurt Neiswender:ever talk about this project in a, in an older episode?
Jamie:Maybe, maybe, I mean, you know,
Kurt Neiswender:it does, it does kind of look a little familiar, but it's really cool. So you did post a picture. So I'm flipping back and forth between sketch and picture of the sort of execution of it. So it was pretty cool.
Eric:Yeah. So yeah, great story. Great sketch. Yeah.
Jamie:Well, closest thing to like designing a space. Purely for the cats.
Kurt Neiswender:Yeah. That's, that's kind of a, it's a rare, a rare condition.
Jamie:So that's my synanthrope, you know, that's my interpretation. That's, that was my jumping off point. So
Eric:what, what, what, what about you guys? Did you guys have any hard words or ones that got you stuck? One's that you cussed me out on.
Kurt Neiswender:Oh, I, you know what I'm going to say. Okay. I'm gonna say this one, hot, for me, is my least favorite. This and I was basically frustrated, and I was like, well, it's, it's, it's it's breaking the grid. So therefore it's becoming something else. And therefore it's hot. I don't know. Yeah. That one's that one's I just couldn't wrap my head around a concept to, to execute. And so my, my technique was to like, well, let's show the shadow in there as well, to, to sort of represent some, some, some semblance of. Three dimension at three dimension three dimensionality in this thing that at least there's that To be honest, so there's that yeah, so what about Jamie? I don't know. Did you well?
Jamie:Eric made me realize that I'm not reading as many books as I need to read so my vocabulary has gotten weak. And, and I felt bad because it's like I see these words and I'm like, I know what that word is. And then I'm like, do I know what that word is? And then so like, I have to go look it up. And then I'm like, yep, I had it right, but I didn't even trust my own gut. And the first time that that happened was day nine. Accretions. So I was like, I know what accretions is. I know that word. And then I'm like, I don't know if I know that word. And, and I had to look it up and I'm like, Oh, okay. And then that got me on this like terrible spiral of pulling books off my bookshelves. Cause I'm like, well, what other, like, you know, what, what else? Words and, you know, architecture theory and great books and things. And so, yeah, it was like, that one was like, that one put me in a crazy spiral. And, and I'm glad it did. Cause it like, it's made me like pick up a few more books that I needed to read on my, my list. But yeah, that, that one. And, but at the same time, I love the sketch, like as much as like I hated the word and the whole experience of getting to where I got to, and it took forever. I do love the sketch. I don't know if both of you know the book House of Leaves?
Kurt Neiswender:No. You're more well read than you think.
Jamie:Yeah, so find it. It's, when did it come out? So so anyways, so I, I'm going to, I, I don't, I forget his last, I forget his last name, but his first name is Daniel. It's like Gladyleski or something like that. Anyhow. So his sister is Poe, like the musician Poe. And so she, like one of her albums is, all about this book that her brother wrote, it's like, and the book is about their family and their father and sort of his weird relationship with it. And it's a little bit sort of fantasy sci fi, you know, but it's, but it's about a house. So there's an architectural component to it. And it's so, so a lot of architecture nerds and friends, you know, we all kind of found this book, you know, kind of all at the same time. And, and then also kind of like Poe as a musician, sort of, and she's kind of sort of haunting voice kind of thing. And Anyhow, it all kind of meshed at the right time, but when you start to dig into this book, there's, there's these interesting layers. And so if you go to any of your half price bookstores or kind of, you know, resale shops and find always go and try and find house of leaves. So go and try and find a copy of it. If there is one on the shelf and you open it up, it is an incredibly dense, hard book to read. It's like the pages are all the fonts, the, the whole. Typesetting the whole thing. It's very, very difficult to read as a book, but there's also different versions of the book that are out there where the, the, the ink changes color. And so there's some aspects of that that are tied to the story. You know, I won't get into it all, but it just, this layering, these accretions, this layering of space, this layering of. This kind of novelization and the music and and sort of this, you know, this portrait. Yeah, so it just is a lot of different things and that's sort of where I ended up with it. But and I even, even to the point was as I was going through my, like, When I started pulling books off the shelf and looking at things, I was like, I remember making some notes. Sometimes I will make notes and slip them in some of my architecture theory books to remind myself of other things that I've read, sort of to tie it all together. I forget that I put the papers in there. That's really smart stuff from Jamie. But in one of those instances, I had discovered that someone had done a thesis project on House of Leaves. And somehow I stumbled on it. I don't know, maybe somebody told me about it. And so that made me remember, and I, I had a, I printed off a page of this person's thesis and there's sort of the description and and it was, they were trying to model what the house in the book actually looked like. And it was just, it was sort of fascinating. But it's that sort of form following fiction that kind of comes out in my own work. It's just something that, that I've always been interested in sort of cross genre kind of influences. And yeah, this one, this one set me on a tailspin, as you can tell by the way I'm talking about it. So,
Kurt Neiswender:yeah, well, so I think it's still, I mean, the story to back it up and it sounds, it looks it looks great. And so you, you still, you still pulled it off. I still think it's better than my worst sketch. So, you know,
Jamie:Oh, I didn't say worst. I just was saying toughest, like quickest, quickest spiral. So I don't know. I'll find my worst while you guys are chatting.
Eric:No, that's so, I love this. This is, this is where it gets really cool. I love hearing this. Like one prompt word takes people on a journey and you don't get to hear all that when you just look at sketches on Instagram. So it's very, that's the part I always enjoyed about your guys's podcast was a little bit of the stories behind it.
Kurt Neiswender:Thanks. Yeah, that's I guess that's the kind of the root of it. What about, what about your version of accretions? Do you have any
Eric:Oh, that one was kind of, I had, I had, I had an idea of what I wanted to sketch and I kind of looked for an image that was similar, but I was, When I first read that word, I think I was thinking of the, like the, the wall city kind of like just these layers upon layers. But I didn't want to draw that. So I just wanted to kind of find this village that's just built on top of each other. And I think I was looking at the, like, Mesa Verde, like the cliff dwellings, but that didn't quite get the layering that I wanted. And so So I found an image, but then I kind of went off on my own and kind of added to it just kind of
Jamie:as I
Eric:should.
Kurt Neiswender:Yeah, it does kind of remind me of like a Like, if you look down the PCH in Malibu you see these sort of stilted homes all crammed together. And then it's also with the similar walled city concept sort of favela town in, you know, Brazil or something like that, which would, I mean, totally lend itself to accretion, right? Growth over time and add an additive versus, subtractive or curative or something like that. So, so I, yeah, that's
Eric:a good one. That one was fun. And it kind of reminded me of, I think last year I did dystopian, which was kind of, was, was a fun thing to draw. I enjoyed drawing that one last year. Okay.
Kurt Neiswender:Yeah. Well, Jamie's a, Jamie's a pro at the, the dystopian scapes. Wow. I mean, we, we weighed into that territory a lot, because it's, it's a lot more, it's a lot of fun to you know, we'll have to do a, you know, we might try and squeeze, sneak you back into the podcast just to have a one, a one time sketch, sketch off, and then have a conversation about it just cause You know, we could do dystopian again and have, have a, have a real go at it.
Jamie:I've, I figured out, I remember which word it was that was really super hard. And, and I, I, like, to the point where I like kept saying the word out loud to myself, and it was just like, come on, you know, delineations. Yeah. Like, like, that one, I just, I.
Kurt Neiswender:What, what day?
Jamie:Delineation, and then also designation. Like, like, those two. Oh. Like. Like the designation one was just like, yeah, that one. I
Kurt Neiswender:think that, I think I gracefully skipped that day.
Jamie:You know, I just, I mean, I struggled. I mean, I just was like, and it was, I think what I, what I finally settled on was just like you know, Kurt in an earlier version had mentioned something about UNESCO and, You know, sort of, you know, world heritage sites. And so when that sort of unlocked it for me, at least from a designation standpoint, I was like, well, you know, it, it's a, It's a, you know, if there was a bucket list of Jamie's places to go, I do want to go to Egypt. I've not been to Egypt.
Eric:And
Jamie:you know, I, I think that sort of the seven wonders of the world become, you know, that designation that it's like, yeah, that's it. There's only seven. So, but yeah, that's sort of where I landed. But. Gosh, it took me a long time to get there. And yeah, it just, I think that that, that was the one word. I think that was maybe. That or delineations. I mean, delineations, I was like, I'm stretching, I'm stretching on that one. I was also traveling. And so that might not have helped, but
Kurt Neiswender:yeah, at least you didn't, you didn't cop out like Curt and call it too hard and not do it. So you, you created something.
Eric:Yeah, no, I agree with you. Those two words gave me a fit.
Kurt Neiswender:I was struggling for sure. And obviously, like I said, it didn't come up with anything, but I'm glad Eric did.
Jamie:So I would, I would appreciate either one of you, like telling me what you think of my delineation sketch. Cause like I, like I said, like it took me a while to even get the idea. And then, and then I felt like it was like, I'm totally talking to myself and kind of coming up with this, this concept.
Kurt Neiswender:So you're referencing. The nirvana smells like teen spirit on the right hand side, right? The cheerleaders. So then how is it include the left hand side?
Jamie:Oh, yeah. Yeah. It's the whole thing.
Kurt Neiswender:Well, the, the reading of delineation, I, I guess I was, I definitely struggled with that. Let's see. I think this is the same. No, that's designation. This one was delineation for Eric. So delineation, what,
Eric:what's I
Kurt Neiswender:can't even think of what it, what it was manifest as, so we'd have to do the old
Eric:Google search. It was, it was, it pissed me off because it was so typical architecture of like. Describing something by a line or describing something or visualizing something by lines or words. I think was the technique was the definition of that. And you're like, damn it. That's what I do every day. Every day. Exactly. Like,
Jamie:like, yeah, like pen in hand staring at a blank page. This is what I do all the time. What are you talking about?
Eric:So that's why that one was frustrating. So, yeah. What can you walk us through, Jamie? And how did, how did you get there?
Jamie:So, so how I got there was like, so I worked off the definition. Cause again, like you're, like you're saying, like I found the technical one that you had, and then I found an alternate definition that says the act, the action of describing or portraying something properly, which again, like, Doesn't gimme much to go on. Mm-Hmm. But I was like,
Eric:Mm-Hmm.
Jamie:And I'm so like, I'm sitting there, I'm thinking, I'm thinking, and I'm like, and earlier in the, I will say the only thing that this was a rev, this one was a reverse where there was a soundtrack that I had in my mind for an earlier sketch that was the alternate music track. So I didn't pick the one that I ended up using for this. And so I was also running out of days and I love this. I love this version of this track. And so I was like, what can I draw that I, that's appropriate for this soundtrack that still works with the word.
Kurt Neiswender:And
Jamie:so it was. You know, me, me trying to visualize and describe and draw smells like teen spirit, like I was like, okay, Jamie, you know, let's literally go down to you're replacing the prompt that Eric's given you and you're going to delineate what does smells like teen spirit actually like, and like, you can close your eyes. The song comes on in your, in your head. And if you know, the music video, the anarchist cheerleaders with Kurt Cobain in the background, strumming his guitar is like, that's, you know, in that sort of sepia, dirty, smoky gymnasium, like I'm right there. Like that's like that image in my mind is like, you know, you know, that's the delineation of that time.
Kurt Neiswender:You know what's funny though, on the left, so I remember in my student days, I came across that Daniel Leapskind used to draw, try and draw music, but not musical notes, but his sketches were trying to, trying to delineate basically what the sound of music was. In a visual form and you, you, you basically, basically you're starting to get there and then I was starting to think, oh, well, this kind of ties back to leapskin in, in the, in the graphic representation mindset. So I think
Jamie:on the left side, you can actually see the basketball court and actually in section as well. And. You know, and so like, it's sort of trying to extrapolate that space and movement and sort of that figure field grid thing that I do. Yeah, so. Notes on a page.
Kurt Neiswender:Very cool. That's a good one. So, so should we we could, I mean, I don't want to necessarily keep, oops, sorry. I got too many screens open. Should we try and wrap up to where we can Make our guesses have our have our final guesses in the in the situation. Yeah, it's
Eric:it's fun because it's yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. I've got the, I feel like you're kind of screwing around it. Jamie in a very millennial Xeniel Gen X
Jamie:way. I, well, I am a Gen X, so yeah, I mean, that's like, I have to be that, you know,
Kurt Neiswender:or what window is working. Sorry. I've got too many, too many screens. Here we go.
Jamie:So if this was like, if this was like Final Jeopardy, like, and we had like a, like the scrawl on a screen and then Alex Trebek, like shows the blue screen with the scrawl on it, the guesses, the guesses. My guess, if I had to, if I had to scrawl something and then you guys can interpret how close I was or not, it would be the rise and fall of a Midwest princess. That would be my guess.
Kurt Neiswender:Wow. And where, what, what is, is there a reference to that? Chapel, Rowan.
Jamie:Oh, oh
Kurt Neiswender:yeah. That's
Jamie:her, that's her album, yeah.
Kurt Neiswender:Oh. Which she's like kind of a big ZA big Gen Z thing. Yeah. Very
Jamie:kind of spirit of the moment. Kind of, I think, I think Eric's like little bit of, little bit of musical zeitgeist right now. So that's, that's where my head was at because there was a couple, like, there's a couple words in there and, but, Hmm. But that, that was it. That was it. That was, that was, I knew there was a musical thing to it, and I went there and I can't guess any
Kurt Neiswender:better than that.
Jamie:So I don't know anymore. I got nothing. I just felt like that would be bold, so
Kurt Neiswender:I got nothing probably
Jamie:wrong, but it's bold. It's, it's a, and Kansas, it felt Midwest, so I was like, I was like, Eric's from the Midwest.
Eric:How much how much did you wager on that? Yeah.
Kurt Neiswender:Is it all the chips in or you wager a dollar?
Jamie:I, I, I totally put all of the chips in, maybe, maybe like left 1 behind just so I could beat Kurt. Cause I know, cause Kurt feels like, Kurt feels like a, like, you know, always bet on black, like puts all the chips in, you know, passenger 51. You're going to win,
Kurt Neiswender:you're going to win Jeopardy by a dollar because I have, I have, I have no guess and all the. All the bet.
Jamie:Okay.
Kurt Neiswender:So, so, yeah, so Eric, how did I do? How did you hit us? Hit us with? All right,
Eric:so the answer is, what is the rise and fall of a Midwest princess? You nailed it. You nailed it. As soon as
Kurt Neiswender:you said it, I looked at Eric's face and I think I was like, oh, I think he did it.
Eric:He did. You got nailed it. Those all, I don't know if they're all from that album, but they're.
Jamie:Oh, yeah. They're
Eric:all Chapel Rune songs.
Jamie:Oh, yeah. Yeah. There was, well, because there was a couple moments in there where I'm just like, like, this is kind of the track listing, but I'm not sure if it is, or if it's just me. Because I, because I don't know if I screwed myself up by deciding before we started this exercise where I just, I really hadn't even read through all the prompts, honestly, when I said, you know, this year I'm going to, I'm going to put a music soundtrack to every one of my sketches. Well, that's what. And then as I started to go through it, I was like, holy crap, what did I do to myself? And then, and as, as I started to go like through the, like the prompts, I'm like, well, this kind of sounds like this album that I've listened to. Like,
Kurt Neiswender:well, that's the funny part is that I think when you, when you said that as a challenge to yourself, At the, at the end of the last episode,
Eric:you did
Kurt Neiswender:and Eric
Eric:was kind of like, Oh, okay, I was, I was, I was afraid because I was afraid that you'd put in the prompt words and the way Instagram works, I think it would pull up Chapel Rowan quite a bit, probably, but yeah Yeah. Let me. Interesting. Yeah. Walk us
Jamie:through it. Walk us through it. This is great. Okay. So I had.
Eric:I won. You won.
Jamie:I won.
Eric:By a dollar. I'm actually, I'm actually excited that you got it because it means. It's validation. It's no fun. It's no fun if like no one gets it. It's not fun if everybody gets it. It's fun if like a few people get it. So yeah. So I was, the collegiate awards I put in, the Gen Z awards I put in and, but this summer I got addicted to chaperone and like. Like in studio and when we're in college, you know, like you share music all the time and you discover like some of the, my favorite bands are still from my college years. I'm sure you guys are the same way and so, and then you kind of get in the real world and I just don't get music as much as I, I used to until this Chapel Rowan album came out and I flip and love it. Like I love every song on it and I haven't liked a singer or artist. Like this for a long time, and so I actually, like, listen to her tiny desk concerts and all this, and she was talking about how her, her, her one song, supersonic, ultra modern girl. She was looking at an architecture magazine. And the title of an article said super modern, ultra modern house or something, and that's how she came up with the title of her song. And I thought, oh, I'm going to turn it on chapel and use her words to create architecture. So red wine, red wine, supernova. Oh, yeah. Super graphic, all ultra modern girl was ultra modern hot. And then the next prompt was to go and then naked in Manehattan. I use Manehattan as a prompt. Cal did I have California? California was on there. What else was on there?
Kurt Neiswender:I can't believe you figured this out, Jamie, you
Eric:nailed it. You nailed it, Jamie.
Kurt Neiswender:I mean, I can, I can, and I can't at the same time.
Eric:Rise and fall. I mean, it's literally there. Manhattan, Midwest was for the Midwest Princess, and she's from Missouri, I believe. I think she's from, I mean, she's not too far from Wichita, so I thought that was cool. It's all those states. Yeah. It says the Canadian casual, cause there's a hit song that came out and I think that might've been it. And then I actually had, I had one on there from you guys introduced me to the, she built podcast. Oh yeah. Yeah. So I had Norma Merritt. Merrick's scares a school Eric on there from one of their podcasts. So yeah, you got it.
Kurt Neiswender:That'll be fun. Cause cause we'll, we'll have to catch them up on, on the conversation.
Jamie:Well, that's exciting. I don't, you normally win anything.
Kurt Neiswender:I wish I had a prize for you. Well, you know, Coffee probably wouldn't hurt. Cheers guys. That was fun.
Eric:Thanks for having me on and thanks for, I mean, thanks for introducing yourselves and getting to know you guys and it was so much fun this year to see your sketches and hear the story behind it. It was just, it was a lot of fun this year.
Jamie:Hell yeah, good stuff and more sketches to come.
Kurt Neiswender:I will. Yeah, I will. I will agree with that in that in the sense that I, I enjoyed the challenge and I'm going to. You know, I'm gonna keep, keep sketching. Maybe go back to a little bit of analog too.'cause that's analog'cause that's, that's fun. The, the gravity sketch was, was fun. Mm-Hmm. Got me into, I, I learned a little bit about it and as far as a tool as software. But yeah, the aspect of just trying to do a little bit every day. Was, was the most fun part about the whole thing and yeah, and, and making better acquaintance friends, you know, friends with you, Eric, and we'll try and Catch you in the real world at some point. Oh, for sure. At the
Jamie:main main
Eric:road trip. Like it's a good, yeah, it's, I mean, you're kind of entering a season that you don't want to come up for like, Oh, I know.
Jamie:I mean, guys, it's like, it was like 83 degrees. So, I mean, you know, But I keep hearing that there's a cold front coming. So I don't know. We'll see.
