163 - A Blend of Coffee, Sketches, and Technology

Architectural Musings: A Blend of Coffee, Sketches, and Technology in Podcasting

In this episode, Jamie and Kurt discuss their ongoing sketching challenge during ARC Inktober, with a special mention of their upcoming interview with Eric Whitman. They explore their new video recording technology, talk about the influence of gravity sketch in VR, and share their thoughts on various flavors of coffee from Starbucks and beyond. They also delve into the concept of 'ubiquitous' and 'bougie' through their sketches, reminisce about East Coast comfort food, and touch on their soundtrack selections for each sketch prompt. The episode is packed with chitchat, humor, and intriguing insights into their creative processes.

00:00 Introduction and Catching Up
00:26 Discussing Podcast Episodes and AI
01:34 Teaching and Collaborations
03:59 Coffee Talk and Preferences
09:50 Sketching and ARC Inktober
23:07 Losing Track of Time in Sketching
24:28 The Importance of Setting Timers
24:46 Passion and Tangents in Creative Work
25:09 Sketching from Memory and Imagination
26:24 Exploring Ubiquitous Elements
28:56 Creating Depth and Illusion in Sketches
33:36 Bougie Sketches and Cultural References
44:35 The Challenge of VR Sketching
45:48 Concluding Thoughts and Gratitude

Transcript

Kurt: 0:32

So Jamie, how are you doing?

Jamie: 0:36

I'm doing

Kurt: 0:36

That's your cue.

Jamie: 0:37

I'm doing great. Don't even know what episode this is. So

Kurt: 0:41

Oh, because there's no, there's no, there's no cue in the corner. But you know, the people listening are, are, are not going to experience too much of a difference right now. Hopefully they're experiencing a higher quality audio. Because there's a potential for that. You know, we'll put all the, we'll probably unpack all the reasons why in a second, but for those watching, you know, we're, we're, we're using a different video recording technology. I suppose it is, this is one 60 recording 162. Jamie

Jamie: 1:17

Thank you.

Kurt: 1:18

one 61 is almost ready. It's our interview with Eric Whitman from ARC Inktober, which Is forthcoming and and 160 is out there. I think there was an AI or some sort of, uh, you know, bot activity that like artificially inflated some of our download numbers in the, they're kind of back to where, where they used to be. So now, now I'm a little sad,

Jamie: 1:49

Well, I mean, we were on a momentum thing with all of our

Kurt: 1:52

I don't know if it had to do with that. I think it might have had to do with students finding out about it. And now, you know, their attention spans have kind of moved on to something else. But

Jamie: 2:04

I have no idea. I have no students. So.

Kurt: 2:06

well, me and Cormac are teaching a class together. So

Jamie: 2:11

Who's that?

Kurt: 2:12

You know, Cormac from, from Arcuspeak podcast, you know, the, the you know, like his football season, right? So the, the Rose Bowl is the granddaddy of them all and of all football games. You know, as Keith, Keith Jackson used to tell us, but Arky speak is, I think, kind of the granddaddy of all architecture podcasts. It's like a compliment, you know,

Jamie: 2:36

Oh, okay. Yeah,

Kurt: 2:39

you know, it's not, I'm not trying to age people I'm not trying to throw that age,

Jamie: 2:44

that's probably wise. Yeah.

Kurt: 2:45

you know, Evan finally got his bag,

Jamie: 2:48

I wasn't sure where you were going. Cause

Kurt: 2:50

we're on terms, we're on terms now. Well,

Jamie: 2:53

you were talking like USC and Rose

Kurt: 2:56

USC cause they, they suck.

Jamie: 2:59

SEC and then it's Auburn and then it's like A& M and there's a whole thing.

Kurt: 3:04

Well, A& M is doing, is the only one doing well at the moment.

Jamie: 3:08

yeah. Oh, so did you say Evan got his coffee?

Kurt: 3:15

Yeah, I, yeah, so now that I, I teach alongside Cormac, he mentioned that I now get a shout out on the web on their podcast. What are you pointing at yourself for?

Jamie: 3:29

do I get my coffee?

Kurt: 3:30

Oh, yeah. Well, it's off the camera. There's a box over here, care package prepped for, for guest and then your box. Well, there was a box over there.

Jamie: 3:46

the box. Did,

Kurt: 3:47

It's now out in the shipping, shipping area.

Jamie: 3:51

are you going to blame this on a parent again? Like not, not knowing,

Kurt: 3:54

Parents, you mean my mother?

Jamie: 3:56

Yeah, your mother, like, not knowing that the box, like, that was the table was supposed to be sent.

Kurt: 4:05

that was my mother in law. want to talk ill of in laws.

Jamie: 4:09

I didn't say it. I, I didn't say it. So,

Kurt: 4:14

No, no, no, no, no. Yeah. Sorry. I'm I'm, I'm, I'm about ready. I've got to just type up the labels and then they're out the door tomorrow. Yep. It takes me a long time. Cause that's how I type with one finger at a time. So. Well, what are you drinking

Jamie: 4:33

if you've stayed through this whole little intro

Kurt: 4:36

Yeah, it's well, it's only been about seven minutes. This is typical. So, so, so what do you got in the, in the mug today?

Jamie: 4:50

have the Fall Flavors Fest from Starbucks still. and it's okay.

Kurt: 4:57

I wonder how we should start to feel about. I don't, I don't wanna start, you know, throwing shade at Starbucks as a corporation, but they are ubiquitous as to use an arc ink tober, prompt,

Jamie: 5:15

I would just say that they were inexpensive and their fall packaging just,

Kurt: 5:20

eye catching.

Jamie: 5:21

me to them

Kurt: 5:23

Oh, okay.

Jamie: 5:23

you know, I keep hearing about this care package of coffee, and I didn't feel like grinding this, this, You know, and purchasing other, other coffee. So went with them because it was

Kurt: 5:35

Oh, oh, I see. So you're like, you're saying, are you saying it's one step above gas station coffee.

Jamie: 5:42

no, I'd never said that. say that. I will say that it, depending on, you know, the time of day and, you know, the baristas and the flavor profiles of the things that you pick, you know, it can, it can really, you know, It can really vary.

Kurt: 6:03

You like the fall blend?

Jamie: 6:05

I do. I, it's, it's one of, I mean, I don't know if they've ever made it before. They could be like in the back going, you know, we got to come up with something new. Why don't we just call it fall blend? You know, it's, it's the fall. So but yeah, no, it's, it's really not that bad. It's kind of a nice medium roast. And. I didn't, you know, I'm not, I'm not a big flavored coffee guy. I mean, that

Kurt: 6:25

Mm-Hmm.

Jamie: 6:26

And, know, people who put pumps of this and pumps of that, and they're stuck, I'm not, that's not my thing. The pumpkin season. I know everybody's into the pumpkin season right now. Not really a. pumpkin season kind of guy. I like pumpkin pie. but about where it goes. all the other

Kurt: 6:47

pumpkin spice lattes

Jamie: 6:49

now it's, that's, that's not this guy. So

Kurt: 6:53

not, not me. Not me. No pass. Hard pass. Although the only thing, the only thing I'll probably splurge on is anything caramel flavored.

Jamie: 7:03

I do like, I do

Kurt: 7:04

I like.

Jamie: 7:05

I

Kurt: 7:06

I like that.

Jamie: 7:07

Like, like this year, which is dangerous for me because, you know, it's that truth in advertising thing, you know, and like, if somebody is doing a really clever media ploy, you know, with their, you know, is a maple infused. I'm, you've, you've got my attention, is basically what I'm saying. I'm not going to necessarily buy it, but you have my attention, for what

Kurt: 7:37

Well, I mean, well, I'll tell you that you have my attention and most likely you'll get a sale from, from me.'cause I guess, I guess I'm getting the sweet tooth

Jamie: 7:47

Is it

Kurt: 7:48

these days. Take caramel, caramel, caramel. I mean, it depends on what country you're in.

Jamie: 7:53

Hmm.

Kurt: 7:55

The Spanish speaking countries would pronounce it caramel.

Jamie: 7:59

Ooh. Did you roll your R there?

Kurt: 8:02

I can't do a very good job at the rolling. Americans would say caramel,

Jamie: 8:08

Car mel? Car mel!

Kurt: 8:10

caramel, certain, certain parts of the country. Anyway, caramel. I mean, it's like a meat. It's like in between it, between his sort of Spanish speaking and English speaking caramel.

Jamie: 8:22

caramel. I think so. I don't know. That Canadian in me, I don't know,

Kurt: 8:29

Caramel, you know, in Espanol.

Jamie: 8:31

oh,

Kurt: 8:33

My mom, I could just hear my mom's accent right now.

Jamie: 8:37

that's, that's, that's the voice in your head.

Kurt: 8:40

Oh, it is. Oh, it always is. Yes.

Jamie: 8:42

Send Jamie the coffee. She's telling you.

Kurt: 8:46

Yes. Yes. Mita. Mita.

Jamie: 8:48

So,

Kurt: 8:49

That's right. Cause after us twins, she, she wanted girls.

Jamie: 8:53

oh, okay.

Kurt: 8:55

So yeah, sorry, bro. Oh, so,

Jamie: 8:57

so what's in the cup, buddy? After

Kurt: 8:59

for me,

Jamie: 8:59

It

Kurt: 9:00

so for me, no, no, I can't do, I can't, I mean, I can add caramel to coffee, but I can't like have the bean flavored. You know, a flavored bean. I almost bought, so I got this. I I'm going to share my screen or my video. It's called the backpackers blend from Kalamazoo coffee company. It has a cool, cool sketch to thought apropos of the month of arc inktober and, and our push for more sketching. So it's a medium roast. It's pretty on, on par right there with the medium roast. I don't know if I, I don't think I've ever had any Kalamazoo coffee company, but I was, I was charging the electric car and needed to kill some time. And so I went into the grocery store where the charger is this and got, got me some Kalamazoo coffee. So there's that. I have a special bag. For next episode that I won't even talk about it is back to our friends at rootless though Something I've never had and Jamie's never had either

Jamie: 10:15

Now

Kurt: 10:16

maybe he will have but we'll talk about that next week

Jamie: 10:20

Very intrigued. Very intrigued.

Kurt: 10:23

So so any so so we've got to you know we don't need to talk about sports because I think you know, there's been some ups and some downs and I think I'm gonna leave it at that and I'm gonna queue up the, the sketches'cause I had an idea to talk about certain, certain sketches this week. Just a, a little sampling of what we've been doing for the past two weeks is, I can't believe it's halfway through October of October, which is now also known as ARC Inc. Tober. As you know, our friend Eric Whitman has created this, this ongoing. Series of challenges every year. And so I pulled a few of the recent, a couple of recent ones. I didn't, I think later this month, right. We're going to bring Eric back and we're going to maybe do a throw down the whole months. Sketches, right? Something to that effect,

Jamie: 11:27

I think we were going to bring back the, you know, ubiquitous round. Let's see how I got slipped in, slipped in a prompt there.

Kurt: 11:35

Yeah. Yeah. So, so the, the sketches I'm sharing right now are on the left. Oh, sorry. Top row. Got to get it right. Top row is ubiquitous. Bottom row is bougie. And so I got, you know, in order I've got Jamie's on the left, Kurt in the middle, Eric on, I, I decided to add, I was, I was, it was, Not going to add Eric's just cause I didn't know if we wanted to go down that road, but I thought, well, you know, well, two reasons. One is I thought it'd be fun to compare the styles a little bit. And then, you know, now that he's not here it kind of be a little more traditional Jamie Curt kind of thing.

Jamie: 12:24

Oh, so now you're going to talk about him? Is that what you're going to say?

Kurt: 12:28

Yeah. But yeah, behind his back, behind his podcast. But also his, his sketch of ubiquitous is of a Dunkin Donuts. And, and, you know, for me being in the East Coast original you know, the Dunkin is it is a ubiquitous thing across the Northeast region. They kind of traveled around the country. You know, we even have them here in Michigan, Dunkin Donuts, but it's not the same. It's not the same vibe as it is on the East Coast. It just, it's just, it just feels different when you're in the East Coast because it is such a. New York thing.

Jamie: 13:07

when Affleck like had his Super Bowl commercial and just leaned in hardcore on the Duncan, are you telling me you just felt seen? Is that what you're saying?

Kurt: 13:19

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'm, I'm, I'm simpatico. I'm right there. Brings me back. You know, there was another one in, in my hometown. I think it was a sort of local, small franchise called Donuts Delight. But I never bought a donut from there. I always bought an egg and cheese on a Kaiser roll at like two o'clock in the morning. Cause that's the best time to eat an egg and cheese sandwich on the East coast is late at night. I'm serious. It's like comfort food, man. We're

Jamie: 14:04

I'm just going to, I'm going to let that one just,

Kurt: 14:06

going right.

Jamie: 14:07

Just sit right there. So

Kurt: 14:10

Keep it on the back burner. So, so anyway, so my ubiquitous,

Jamie: 14:16

it's on the griddle, your

Kurt: 14:17

It's on the back, the back burner. And that's right. Keeping,

Jamie: 14:20

Kaiser roll right over there.

Kurt: 14:21

keeping it warm. Those are very East coast things, Jamie, maybe not quite Canadian East coast things, but American. And they were cheap. That's why it was very inexpensive. Anyway, I, I digress. I'm just reminiscing. It's just, sometimes it's fun.

Jamie: 14:39

I'm sorry. Denny's Denny's is ubiquitous. If we were going to, if we were going were going to pick, if we're going to pick coffee establishments like time in high school and kind of that you know, formative years,

Kurt: 14:55

that's true.

Jamie: 14:56

Denny's I'm sorry, you know, Denny's also, you know,

Kurt: 15:01

You know, honestly, though, I didn't really go to Denny's when I was growing up and they, they weren't really, we went, we had diners. Like, you know, local diners that we would go to. I don't even know if there was a Denny's near, near my, my house. Sorry, but it is, but once I got to college,

Jamie: 15:21

I mean, we had

Kurt: 15:22

there was a Denny's right there

Jamie: 15:24

but I

Kurt: 15:24

at the university.

Jamie: 15:25

yeah, I mean, all

Kurt: 15:28

Mean, I would agree. I agree. I agree. I concur.

Jamie: 15:33

I might have been gifted a like legit Denny's mug with the logo and the whole thing

Kurt: 15:43

oh yeah, those are, those are, those are classic. It's like your Tweety's mug.

Jamie: 15:47

Yeah, I might have gotten one of those as, and it might have shown up in some of the

Kurt: 15:51

I think I've seen it.

Jamie: 15:52

Yeah.

Kurt: 15:53

I think I've seen it.

Jamie: 15:53

it's, it's, I still have it. I still, I still use it. it's around it's not here in the office, but,

Kurt: 16:00

Yeah. Usually those are the ones that walk away. They grow legs

Jamie: 16:04

might legs, I guess. Cause I, I, I didn't it, you know, out the door, but it

Kurt: 16:11

free it.

Jamie: 16:13

it did come into my possession and I have given it a good home.

Kurt: 16:16

Well, yeah, it's, it's it's well for.

Jamie: 16:19

It was a high school graduation gift to me. So,

Kurt: 16:23

and forth, I feel like we might have talked about this once.

Jamie: 16:27

if not, I was projecting it and you caught it. So yes.

Kurt: 16:30

draw a line that goes down to here, and know, quickly, you know, my, my, my thought process on the ubiquitous. Cause I, I think the, these are really liked, you know, of the past two weeks. Bye. kind of the most recent two days up to the weekend. So I sketched in, I mean, I've been using gravity sketch all day. Arcingtober, which is a VR based sketching tool. I've got some things to say about the tool, but I'll wait on that first. I'll just say my sketch is a version or a variety of different scale figures. That we would sketch, an architect would sketch into a drawing, and I thought of this based on a month ago or so, you know, a few episodes back, we talked about always sneaking in scale figures into the sketch and talking about one of your sketches. And, you know, there for reference, it's, it's not always the main focus, but it's about, you know, sort of placing a little bit of scale, human scale to a drawing. And so I plopped or populated my, my little page with a, I thought it started to get interesting as I was doodling these different scale figures. Cause then I started collecting them into this little you know, they're all side by side. And it started to look like a little gang of gang of characters in the

Jamie: 18:09

like, like there was a crime, like there was like,

Kurt: 18:13

yes, it is.

Jamie: 18:14

and, and.

Kurt: 18:16

light, the lighting is a little weird in the background.

Jamie: 18:19

And I say that not that your drawing is a crime. I want to clarify, right? So, because I really do, I love this sketch. And what about in

Kurt: 18:30

Trying is a crime. Yeah. Yeah. Mm hmm.

Jamie: 18:43

but no it, it would, I did like the sketch and, and I thought, I'm glad you, you know, kind of a pick these sort of two words

Kurt: 18:49

transcript

Jamie: 18:50

chitchat about, it's

Kurt: 18:52

of

Jamie: 18:54

what I thought was interesting was this is the one that for me

Kurt: 18:57

the

Jamie: 18:58

you kind of had gotten your groove on It. Not just to the point where it was in the sketch per se,

Kurt: 19:05

10,

Jamie: 19:06

it was very evident that you were like

Kurt: 19:08

14, 16,

Jamie: 19:10

it ruminate, getting into the sketch, which I want to talk about from a curatorial point of view. And then in posting it, you sort of gave a little bit of that share that we've talked about with some of the ways I've used hashtags in the past to kind of. to what I'm thinking about. And you know, you're being a little bit more direct with it, but I like it because it was like, you know, you're making sure everybody kind of knows, know, that this was, you know, an homage to kind of entourage, you know, this is, you know, the scale figure that is ubiquitous throughout all architecture, because, you know, it's not just. You know, buildings as sculpture, it's buildings for people having these scale figures really kind of gives that character of place and,

Kurt: 20:00

text. for joining us.

Jamie: 20:01

and allows us to, to sell it or to, to give it that spirit that sometimes a drawing or a sketch or an idea needs. So just from a process point of view,

Kurt: 20:12

myself

Jamie: 20:13

I misheard you, but did you say, like, as, as you're sketching each one of these, are you doing them sort of.

Kurt: 20:19

Can

Jamie: 20:19

VR land by themselves and then moving them into position? Or how does that work?

Kurt: 20:25

Yeah, yeah. If you're in this blank room this is one aspect of the output is the screenshots that I'm putting on Instagram. tend to flatten. The flatten the sketch. So these things are very three dimensional actually, you know, you can't really see it in here, but you know, the, the line is actually more like a, like a noodle, right? It's sort of the profile of around, you know, it's around cross section. So the line is not a flat line on a flat surface, but it's more like tracing. If I were to draw with spaghetti, right. And create a little spaghetti sketch.

Jamie: 21:13

like the robot arm that Icon uses to pump out the weird

Kurt: 21:18

Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

Jamie: 21:20

printed houses. You're

Kurt: 21:22

yeah,

Jamie: 21:23

same concept in VR world, making entourage

Kurt: 21:28

yeah. It, it extrudes. Yeah. Extrudes like that kind of out of, out of the, the, the pen stroke. But so yeah, so I would draw them like in front of me and, and then I would grab, grab them and then I would put them and I, I was trying to be deliberate on how I staged them, you know, so I'd move them around and then it started as I was doing this in VR and they're all kind of like, Pretty big in front of my face, you know, it's really interesting. The sense of scale in VR, right? It's not like a sheet of paper. I mean, you're kind of drawing almost full size or as big, you know, as sort of, you know, as far as your arms move. But yeah, it was kind of fun. I was like kind of move them. And then I go, no, I'm going to move this one over here and this one over.

Jamie: 22:17

draw with both hands or just one hand?

Kurt: 22:20

No, it's just a one. You choose a hand. So righty or lefty.

Jamie: 22:24

What's the other

Kurt: 22:25

Well, actually certain, certain tools require two hands, like the, the other sketches I've done, like like the accretions sketch, which is kind of these sheets, these layers, those are kind of like two hander, which is kind of cool too.

Jamie: 22:42

Okay.

Kurt: 22:43

That's a whole different, different asset. But the yeah, I put modular man basically in the middle and then yeah, kept and the cool part is, you know, I can, you, I scaled them. One of them was a little off in the little squiggly thing, but you can scale them. So if I draw them taller and shorter, kind of made them somewhat the same tall, same height.

Jamie: 23:08

the only thing I'm disappointed is you've been spending a lot of time with Cormac and there isn't a ragdoll in this sketch. So, like, only thing, you know, I'm, I'm waiting for that. Like, you're cheating on me and his

Kurt: 23:22

Oh, that would have been,

Jamie: 23:23

his influences, like, you know, pervasive in your sketch or something like that. So,

Kurt: 23:28

where you know, the one time, the, the one, one aspect is like with the goggles on you invited to other colleague at Lawrence Tech, Taka kind of pointed this out to me a couple of times. It's like, you kind of lose the sense of time. I am going to be looking kind of feel like sometimes I feel like I need to hurry up a little bit, especially with the nature of a sketch. hope it to, I don't want to helpful sort of let the time wear on and not, you know, arrive at something. And so I had, you know, I have a sketchbook that I had a bunch of other scale figure examples in. And I was like, cause I kind of, I was like running out of like op variations. And I was like, we're, we're, you know, I'm trying to draw from the memory bank. And so, and then I was losing track.

Jamie: 24:23

Well,

Kurt: 24:23

So, you know, let's practice. Sure.

Jamie: 24:51

that's what you've, what you're describing as sort of losing all sense of time is, know, really indicative of this sketch. So a lot of times I've talked about, you know, setting a timer for myself. There's a reason why I have to do that folks. Because, you know, and, and those who have, who work with me and have seen me present you know, materials to an audience or something like that.

Kurt: 25:17

am

Jamie: 25:18

I get really passionate about the work that I'm doing oftentimes. And so sometimes I'll, I'll kind of go off on a tangent. and lose track of time.

Kurt: 25:27

deep

Jamie: 25:28

that,

Kurt: 25:29

Breathe in and

Jamie: 25:31

that mode of thinking or that,

Kurt: 25:33

12,

Jamie: 25:34

to lose, lose your sense of time kind of in the moment

Kurt: 25:38

20,

Jamie: 25:39

really, presents itself very genuinely in my sketches.

Kurt: 25:44

31,

Jamie: 25:45

in my sketchbook, I really have no sense of time. And so I need either some someone to shake me. My mom used to describe it as she would come in the room and like stand in front of me and like, like not necessarily yell because my mom doesn't really yell, but she'd be like, Jamie,

Kurt: 26:02

another edition of the HurryMachines

Jamie: 26:04

you know, and just to kind of like almost shake me out of it. Because I mean, I, I could be sitting there drawing for 45 minutes, an hour, two hours and not. have any kind of consciousness about what's about, you know,

Kurt: 26:17

Yeah, at the

Jamie: 26:19

and, and I say all that to say that this sketch is one that I lost myself in a bit.

Kurt: 26:24

Is, that's cool.

Jamie: 26:26

But it's, you know, as you're sort of describing your VR experience, I could imagine I know what that feeling is like.

Kurt: 26:34

Yeah. Oh, I'm not saying it's, it's a lot of fun, right?

Jamie: 26:38

yeah, yeah. No, feeling.

Kurt: 26:40

what we do. It's the fun parts, right? You know, I'd rather, I wish I could spend more time in there than I am trying to answer RF, RFIs, but you know, yeah. Anyway, that's a whole other,

Jamie: 26:57

yeah, but I think in this sketch, there's some, you know, I have my variations on my scale figures. I even have like one figure, you know, kind of pushed forward because for me,

Kurt: 27:09

7, 8, 9,

Jamie: 27:11

I went after ubiquitous in a different way. And this is all out of my head, by the way. This is not me

Kurt: 27:18

Oh yeah.

Jamie: 27:19

this is not me working from a photo.

Kurt: 27:22

I kinda had a feeling.

Jamie: 27:23

Yeah,

Kurt: 27:24

It, it, it.

Jamie: 27:25

I, I

Kurt: 27:25

It has a little bit of a fantasy vibe to it.

Jamie: 27:28

I, yeah, I do that from time to time and it's stuff that we've been, we've been working on, you know, in the office and on a variety of different things. So it just sort of in my head, you know, when I heard the word ubiquitous, it was like, okay, you know, that ran me down a rabbit hole of a of ubiquitous things. And And then this kind of resulting exercise kind of came out of it.

Kurt: 27:59

So is that, I mean, the first thing I, I thought when I saw this sketch on that day was the iPhone,

Jamie: 28:07

Ubiquitous,

Kurt: 28:08

having an iPhone Right. Then now that I, you know, look at it a little longer, right? Because we have these in Flint too, is the Festoon lighting Right. The lights on the string.

Jamie: 28:20

ubiquitous,

Kurt: 28:22

Food trucks, I guess as another component,

Jamie: 28:25

also ubiquitous.

Kurt: 28:26

become pretty, yeah, pretty well established. Yeah. And then I don't, I don't know if you're, if you're trying to fold in, but I let, I, you know, looking at or thinking about it in like, okay. A combination of many ubiquitous items is really cool.

Jamie: 28:45

Yeah, that's, and that, you got it. I mean, that, and that's, that's what it was, was, you know, thinking about ubiquitous things and then sort of, you know, this phone culture and technology culture. And, you know, I could, I could have stopped with one thing, you know, but I decided to kind of try and put all three together and then build out.

Kurt: 29:09

is a

Jamie: 29:10

the world in which we live,

Kurt: 29:12

over

Jamie: 29:13

and how we might, how we might encounter some of these things.

Kurt: 29:16

Yeah, yeah. the products

Jamie: 29:18

I, I, and, and like, it's, like I said, this is, this is not my typical 15 minute sketch. This is 25 minutes.

Kurt: 29:25

put a Huh. here that are Well, the the, the image on the iPhone screen of the objects in the background is really cool. It's a really, and then having like the hand, it has this really foreground background depth to it. And, and either, is there a blur? Is it your phone, your photograph that is a little blurry?

Jamie: 29:50

the, the photographs blurred. Yeah.

Kurt: 29:53

Which adds a little effect to it. Kind of neat.

Jamie: 29:55

think in this particular case, that was like, like just a nice little feature because it was, I mean, honestly, when I thought about the pieces of this and then trying to create a scene around it. Can't remember the last time that I tried to create that illusion of what you're seeing on a screen and then

Kurt: 30:16

Well, you know, the famous one, is not quite a screen, but it's the, Column 1. But Right. But Carrie and Moss Trinity we can stay disconnected in the right was, it was a reflection in the, the glass, right?

Jamie: 30:33

I did that one.

Kurt: 30:34

Remember that one? I remember that one.

Jamie: 30:37

I've done that sketch, but I've also done like the cat woman,

Kurt: 30:40

then Oh yeah. real

Jamie: 30:42

Behind, behind the glass, you know,

Kurt: 30:44

Yeah, yeah, sense

Jamie: 30:46

cat in the front.

Kurt: 30:47

Yeah, yeah. I think they're cool.

Jamie: 30:49

Michelle Pfeiffer cat woman, you know, you know, just, you know, but

Kurt: 30:54

Probably my fave, but you know, it's a Tim Burton thing.

Jamie: 30:57

Yeah, I mean, Tim Burton, I mean, I mean, anyhow, I, I, I'm, I'm a big fan of the new one too. But that's just

Kurt: 31:04

You mean Zoe Kravitz?

Jamie: 31:06

yeah, I mean, the, the fanboy me of, of the whole, just like it's, you know, all these new interpretations are

Kurt: 31:12

Sure. That was good too.

Jamie: 31:13

I

Kurt: 31:14

liked, I liked that.

Jamie: 31:15

You

Kurt: 31:15

I guess that's, the

Jamie: 31:17

was Catwoman too. I mean, you know, I

Kurt: 31:18

oh yeah.

Jamie: 31:19

we, mean, we've

Kurt: 31:21

She was a good one too.

Jamie: 31:22

good too. I mean, they're all good.

Kurt: 31:24

Well, against Christian Bale. Yeah. So and well, were at law. Oh

Jamie: 31:39

and trying to play those kind of optical drawing games I have tried in the past and probably thought too much about. So I think my lesson, my lesson learned is don't think so much

Kurt: 31:54

don't think too.

Jamie: 31:55

you know, and just kind of just draw it, you know, just do it.

Kurt: 31:58

visit www. show how the three dimensionality and gravity sketch when you're sketching is, I'm going to try and draw something that reads, you know, straight on. And then, but then turn it and show you how you can, I mean, things, you know, those sculptures that are, you know, sort of a layer of objects that don't mean anything until they're in the right perspective. That's essentially how you can draw in gravity sketch. So I'm going to do that and then we'll, it'll be kind of, it wouldn't match up maybe unless you do it again on another day of our King Tober, but we can come back to this. Maybe by the end of the month and revisit that,

Jamie: 32:59

So the only I will say is that I have, if you haven't noticed, I have deliberately taken the challenge I gave myself and tried to create a soundtrack for each of my sketches

Kurt: 33:10

Oh yeah.

Jamie: 33:11

too. So.

Kurt: 33:12

So did you pick, what did you I don't remember what you picked for the, the ubiquitous sketch.

Jamie: 33:18

It was Arctic monkeys. I bet you look good on dance floor.

Kurt: 33:22

Awesome. I, I am enjoying, yes. Listening to the soundtrack of the month. been a lot of fun, you know, I'm trying to live up to the

Jamie: 33:31

they're Yeah. Good, good challenge. I I'm, and we

Kurt: 33:35

it's coming out.

Jamie: 33:36

We haven't gotten there with your stuff yet, but we are going to get there. About, you know, living up to expectations and

Kurt: 33:41

Yeah.

Jamie: 33:42

I'm very proud of you, by the way.

Kurt: 33:44

I'm, I'm, thanks pretty well. Not a hundred percent either. So, you know,

Jamie: 33:49

no, you're

Kurt: 33:49

and it, it's, it's, it is enjoyable You and, and testing out the, the, you know, gravity sketch as a added little bonus. You know, so then the, the other band of sketches just I thought, you know, we don't have to. Talk about them too much because we'll probably, you know, kind of talk about all of them again at the end of the month. But the the bougie was the prompt bougie, which is, I just thought it'd be fun to throw in one of the words that are I don't know what generation tends to, but it's a slang term bougie. It, it, it I had to Google, mean, I knew the term, I just, but I, I do Google the words to come up with certain concepts on how to approach the sketch. Because in definitions or even context sentences, you know, sort of provides a little insight that you can kind of go down the road, but bougie comes from bourgeoisie, which I'm probably pronouncing poorly in French.

Jamie: 34:49

of, very French of you. Yes,

Kurt: 34:51

And it's I actually didn't really read it. I initially think of it in this way, but basically something that is well, there's a couple of ways to read it, but basically fancy, but still approachable kind of, or, you know, so it's, it's a little bit upper class, but not too snooty is kind of one way to read Bougie.

Jamie: 35:18

just within reach, just within

Kurt: 35:20

Yeah. And bourgeoisie is basically about the middle class. So it's not, you know, I guess as in the 16th century, France, France, France, France, France, France. You know, I think a middle class was a new concept, right? Emerging middle class. Otherwise you have the, the upper crust and then the, the peasant class,

Jamie: 35:43

There's like about this.

Kurt: 35:46

And so this, this sort of fabric, the generation of a middle anyway,

Jamie: 35:50

Something about cake, let them eat cake.

Kurt: 35:53

and losing your head

Jamie: 35:55

Yeah, just,

Kurt: 35:56

and all that stuff.

Jamie: 35:57

it all up. all good.

Kurt: 35:59

So anyway, so I thought, okay, well, you know, So, you know, I'll, I'll, well, maybe we go in order, which we will, we'll go in order. We'll go with Eric's sketch as we started with his last time.

Jamie: 36:12

like that Eric's sketch and your sketch, like, have a lot of the same qualities to them.

Kurt: 36:20

Thanks.

Jamie: 36:21

Like, you know, I, and I don't find irony in that. I just, it's like, to me it was,

Kurt: 36:29

you

Jamie: 36:29

and, and, and

Kurt: 36:30

able to do that

Jamie: 36:32

I want you to talk about your perception of yours as well as his, but what struck me in seeing both of you guys prompt and, and what was what, or post, excuse me, like,

Kurt: 36:43

run out of

Jamie: 36:44

and you posted very, very to one another in timeframe, which was, which was I've been see some of these that way is Not they all, you know, you know, it's life folks, they don't, it all doesn't happen that way, but in this particular case, it, it, it, it did for me

Kurt: 37:01

will say it's not

Jamie: 37:03

both of you went with objects,

Kurt: 37:05

structure, it's about, Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Mm hmm. that

Jamie: 37:12

larger meanings. So it was like this sort of, know, like we're getting down in terms of focus on something.

Kurt: 37:20

documentation the

Jamie: 37:21

and, you know, there's, there's definitely something with, with his sketch that's sort of, you know, he's using a lot of words and of suggestive meanings, which I, I appreciate,

Kurt: 37:30

Mm hmm. Well, sure.

Jamie: 37:34

for both of you in, in, in the way you kind of approach this

Kurt: 37:41

The yeah. Thanks. The, well, one, well, when I saw his sketch, the immediate thought was yes, because he put, you know, Miller High Life, the champagne of beers, which is, it would epitomize a certain timeframe of my life in college when we thought we were a little fancy drinking drinking. Miller high life, which was the most affordable beer. But it is the champagne of beers and but then actually also When the, what we, the day one or two, it was red wine, right? Was the prompt. And I drew these sort of you know, sort of curvy, similar to these faces, you know, some glasses. And then I filled them with wine and I had a wine bottle. And so I thought, Oh, this is kind of interesting. It kind of reminds me of my sketch of the red wine from a few days ago. And now he's kind of playing off of that with the bougie sketch. We'll have to talk about that at the end of the month and see if there was any sort of like, Referencing going on. And then, you know, with, with, with the one in my version with gravity sketch, which I kind of, I had to have two and they're the same, right? They're just a copy two vases. You know, you can't just have one base with flowers, you know, you've got to have a pair because the pair starts to set the, you know, set the stage or set the table, so to speak. And so I used, um, a square, a square is basically like if you were throwing clay on a wheel. It doesn't spin or anything like that, but you can draw the profile of this object and then it creates, it generates the form as your hand moves. And I use the square instead of a circle because I use the circles with the wine sketch. And so now I have these sort of square creases, you know, square I guess the, the, the generation form is this square shape and then it sort of tapers and creates the base. And then I just kind of squiggled some yellow lilies, because. Keep it bright. And you know, something that you could find, it may be a little bit ubiquitous referencing the other day, but so then I, and then I just kind of positioned them, staged them. Like if you were,

Jamie: 40:06

being

Kurt: 40:07

OCD. Dog. SCP. That a great, a great example or a sketch subject for, for Bougie2 is kind of an object, even though it's a larger scale, but I suppose in your case, It kind of needs the context sort of convince people of the, the, the specific Prada, which is the Marfa, Texas Prada, which is not, it's not actually a Prada store. It's just a piece of art, right? It's an intentional installation.

Jamie: 40:52

for those who are fans of the Prada fashion house. No, there is not one in Marfa, Texas. There is an art installation that is still the shelf life of this art piece is apparently immense because it's been there for quite a few years now.

Kurt: 41:09

Oh my God, like decades. I got it. Yeah. Hmm.

Jamie: 41:18

one, this is one where I've discussed before. Like I see the prompt sometimes and I'm like, you know, I don't have anything, but this one, I'm like, I've got Totally got it. And what was great was Eric's response was nailed it, you know? And so like, know, in those moments, you just like.

Kurt: 41:39

is Richard,

Jamie: 41:40

know,

Kurt: 41:41

this

Jamie: 41:42

you know, and, and it's,

Kurt: 41:44

I've been

Jamie: 41:45

but no, I, I, I, was great though, too, was I,

Kurt: 41:51

two,

Jamie: 41:52

tracks in my mind musically too,

Kurt: 41:55

ten. Four is a

Jamie: 41:58

And so like, I was like, and I, I went back and forth and like, I'm, I'm like, I had both queued up to, to try and do the post with either one.

Kurt: 42:06

a

Jamie: 42:07

but the, but the sketch is, you know, if you are in West Texas and you are anywhere near Marfa, and it, this isn't in Marfa, this is, it's near Marfa. It's Texas driving distance folks. So you still have to get there. But.

Kurt: 42:23

files, and for

Jamie: 42:24

It's, and I'd seen this photograph too before. And so I went and found it cause it's not the way it always is with the little, like scale figure horse sitting next to it.

Kurt: 42:35

Press

Jamie: 42:36

is a sketch from a photo,

Kurt: 42:38

particular file

Jamie: 42:38

it's, it's such an amazing piece. It is so bougie. It's not even funny. And track that I went with for this in the end was Björk, who is like my Icelandic brother. Like

Kurt: 42:53

huh. Let's see

Jamie: 42:55

but this is from the debut album. So this is like, you know,

Kurt: 42:59

the first

Jamie: 43:00

after she's, you know, broken from her band and doing the debut album.

Kurt: 43:04

This is

Jamie: 43:06

there's more to life than this.

Kurt: 43:07

Mm.

Jamie: 43:08

You, if you know the album,

Kurt: 43:09

first

Jamie: 43:10

where

Kurt: 43:11

trans,

Jamie: 43:12

she's in a club. Is she in the bathroom right now? Like, is she

Kurt: 43:16

huh. the

Jamie: 43:17

Like, is this a lot like where's the microphone what's going on? But yeah, this is classic Bjork. The alternative track, I'm going to give you a chance.

Kurt: 43:28

and

Jamie: 43:29

guesses?

Kurt: 43:30

the month of

Jamie: 43:31

contemporary.

Kurt: 43:32

the You mean you had to

Jamie: 43:35

had, had two, I had two to choose from. I almost went with the other one, but I went back to digging in

Kurt: 43:43

Hmm.

Jamie: 43:43

more contemporary Megan, the stallion.

Kurt: 43:45

why it's a time to be safe, I can't think of, I can't think of it. be human. And I know you're going to, it's going to, you know, it'll be like a dumb moment. But what is it?

Jamie: 44:00

Yeah.

Kurt: 44:01

I could have been pretty bougie, you know? Two on

Jamie: 44:10

there's a whole lot to it, but I almost went there almost. And I was like, no, that's almost so it's, it almost like rang so true. And so like

Kurt: 44:21

your nose there. I

Jamie: 44:24

it. I'm going to back up a step. But

Kurt: 44:26

yeah. You know, if you, if you search, I was searching songs on Instagram and If you type in the word bougie, actually, there's quite a lot that comes up, which is It's kind of interesting. So I don't know if I used a song on this one. I've been doing it a little bit. I'm not trying to I don't want to step on your toes there, but

Jamie: 44:47

Donna,

Kurt: 44:48

it's, some of them can be fun to, to add. I mean, I think, you know, it's kind of a nice little feature of Instagrams to add a little music, you know?

Jamie: 44:57

Well, I will just say as we're getting, you know, as we're closing out is, you know, thank you for picking up the gauntlet and taking the challenge head on. You know, even if it's a VR gauntlet in your case, but No, I think it's great. I still am waiting. I mean, we made the suggestion in episode that, you know, someone needs to videotape you while you're doing this, at least for one of the days. So we all can get on experience of, you know,

Kurt: 45:27

Oh, it's still in the back of my mind. I've, I've thought about it. I can do it for myself. I can actually record. In, in VR, I want to do that too.

Jamie: 45:38

you can have like three cameras. You can do like, don't,

Kurt: 45:41

Cause I want you to see how it is generated. I will do that.

Jamie: 45:46

We shouldn't add too many editing things to Kurt's plate, but that sounds awesome. And, you know,

Kurt: 45:53

I know. Yeah.

Jamie: 45:54

all about the awesome at this

Kurt: 45:55

That, you know, it is editing season is interrupted by advising season

Jamie: 46:00

it not up upset by USC season. So

Kurt: 46:05

The only thing that's upset is me.

Jamie: 46:07

yes. Did you like how I'm texting you during the game? And I'm like, I think they've got a chance.

Kurt: 46:14

We were all surprised at that state.

Jamie: 46:16

and then it was like, there was no more messages for me. Cause I was like, don't know.

Kurt: 46:21

It was, it was, yeah, it was, it was it was exciting until they, I mean, it is what it, you know, anyway, I don't want to, we don't have to tear that bandaid off, but you know, all right, well, we, we've I thank, I thank you for, for taking this techno technological experiment on this recording, which most people won't understand until Say after once things go on you know, get published, but thank you and thank the audience.

Jamie: 46:56

Cheers.